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Speaker 2: Patrick's Mahomes is one of the very great quarterbacks in

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Speaker 2: the history of the sport, but tonight was another reminder

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Speaker 2: that even a magnificent single caller cannot do it alone.

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Speaker 2: He needs help. I'm talking to you, Mark has Veldaz Scantling,

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Speaker 2: but you're not alone. Mahomes and the Kansas City offense

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Speaker 2: the truly weird factoids of this twenty twenty three season,

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Speaker 2: four good. The Super Bowl rematch lived up to the hype.

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Speaker 2: Dan Hans is here with Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler

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Speaker 2: their inability to support this great quarterback and the wide

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Speaker 3: Yep, it counted tonight in a big way.

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Speaker 4: You know, They've been so good at working their way

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Speaker 4: It's a bad route by Justin Watson. Had they had

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Speaker 4: it's like the Eagles, you know, this was already an

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Speaker 2: this this is a season filled with Wonkee stats, the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it's too late to assume that

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Speaker 4: they lost two good coordinators who look like good coaches themselves.

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Speaker 2: He definitely fits Philadelphia. I'll say that. Yeah, I'll leave

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Speaker 4: So I just think he's grown on me because like

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Speaker 5: They're really showing that they because it's so hard to

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Speaker 5: They're really good at front runners, but they're also good

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Speaker 5: lot of positives out of this game. I think they

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Speaker 5: We have no explosive plays. We're just gonna be methodical

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Speaker 5: And they did that very well, and for them to

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Speaker 5: underlying signs that actually this Chiefs team up front probably

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Speaker 4: It's like they in that first half, like, I mean,

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Speaker 3: But I don't know, ball on.

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Speaker 5: Third and short, they weren't doing these crazy plays. They

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Speaker 2: Yeah, next week the bill. The Eagles get the Bills

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Speaker 2: thinking now that I'm thinking about a little bit more. Mark.

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Speaker 2: Think of it like a long leather glove, right, and

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Speaker 4: Oh, like an old timey woman's like nineteen forty smack

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Speaker 2: Yes, and it's just like, just stop it.

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Speaker 5: I don't understand what people want out of their coaches.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if they're just standing there and they're boring,

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Speaker 5: they're too boring. He's out there living like he's living

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Speaker 3: There could be some are envy going on here too.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know that it's controversial to think Nick Sirianni

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Speaker 2: You're siding with a mass agitator. Greg. I totally get why.

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Speaker 5: I will admit he is almost the exact example of

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Speaker 5: So I enjoyed them quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: All right, there you go, great game. Wouldn't mind seeing

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Speaker 5: We had a we had a lockoff for this for tonight.

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Speaker 2: We had a chief shaking his head. That's not a

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Speaker 5: We had a chief pick for Mark and the Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Here they lock up the Eagles, man, I can't remember,

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Speaker 2: probably would have won my fantasy matchup of mvs. Catches

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Speaker 5: I'm not running away, they're they're right there, two back

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Speaker 3: It'd be good for the show.

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Speaker 4: And I like, I was thinking about this tonight as

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Speaker 3: That you remember. I'm sorry, I don't know exactly exactly.

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Speaker 2: No one.

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Speaker 4: No one is like in nine. No one is going

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Speaker 2: I can.

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Speaker 4: I can walk around and Greg, I know that you

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Speaker 4: and they're going to give you all your food at

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Speaker 4: I'm just you know, I'm hitting out, but like I'm

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Speaker 3: To look at it from a large like a larger view.

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Speaker 2: It's it has no meaning ong night, my Tannebaum could

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Speaker 5: I guess I'm losing my touch because I was I

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Speaker 2: Oh what a what a showdown that one.

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Speaker 5: I'm always I'm always always pro Eagles. What a team.

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Speaker 2: And I saw Nick did did do a little trash

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Speaker 4: Well, no so and I and I you know, it's

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Speaker 3: I was like, all right, you had that thing planned

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Speaker 2: I was little.

435
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Speaker 4: I was ended tonight, like any chance of me doing

436
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,120
Speaker 4: anything ended tonight.

437
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Speaker 2: I think there's kind of like the the lock competition.

438
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 2: Now as we headed, you know, deeper into the second half.

439
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,160
Speaker 2: It's like two Siriani's going off against each other, only

440
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 2: one could be on top at the end.

441
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Speaker 5: There are no winners in that competition. I do want

442
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Speaker 5: to say before we moved totally off this game, I

443
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 5: actually think the Chiefs have as good or better chance

444
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,400
Speaker 5: to get the one seed than the Eagles. Despite this loss,

445
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,640
Speaker 5: this was a bigger win I think for the Eagles.

446
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,360
Speaker 5: It was a bigger game I think for the Eagles

447
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 5: than it would have been for the Chiefs just because

448
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 5: of the schedules. That's it. I mean, they've survived the

449
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 5: start of this gauntlet by beating Dallas and by beating

450
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Speaker 5: Kansas City. But it remains very hard that Detroit's only

451
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Speaker 5: one game back. San Francisco's hanging around, Dallas is hanging

452
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Speaker 5: around in Kansas City schedule. The rest of the season

453
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Speaker 5: is Cupcake City. The only tough game really is is

454
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Speaker 5: home for Buffalo, which is not a game that you

455
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Speaker 5: know that they're going to be underdogs or anything. You

456
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Speaker 5: know they're playing at the Chargers week eighteen. Everyone's gonna

457
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 5: have their bags packed for the Chargers by that point,

458
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Speaker 5: Like I could see that the Chiefs either winning now

459
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Speaker 5: or only having four losses, and I know they're not

460
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Speaker 5: the one seed tonight. It's the Ravens technically, but the

461
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Speaker 5: Chiefs have a very good chance to be the ones.

462
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Speaker 2: Looks like you're coming around on my take on the

463
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Speaker 2: podcast last week. Well, there's no good teams in the FC.

464
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Speaker 2: So this Chiefs team with literally zero fireworks that averages

465
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Speaker 2: five points a game in the second half, Yeah, they

466
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Speaker 2: could get the one seed.

467
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Speaker 5: They have a great defense, a great head coach, a

468
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Speaker 5: great quarterback in a great offensive line. So yes they

469
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Speaker 5: have they have one pretty big weakness, you know, scoring

470
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Speaker 5: points in the second.

471
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Speaker 2: But then.

472
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Speaker 3: Your Ragions will still win the Super Bowl as a

473
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Speaker 3: second seed.

474
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Speaker 5: Then when you look back at teams that win the

475
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Speaker 5: Super Bowl, they're usually like thirteen and four. Sometimes they're

476
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Speaker 5: twelve and five. You know, it's like they got to

477
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 5: lose some games for that to happen. You know, it happens.

478
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Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break and when we come back,

479
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Speaker 2: we'll hit the news and then get on out of here.

480
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Speaker 2: All right, we are back. All right, Let's see, let's see,

481
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Speaker 2: let's see, let's see, let's see. Let's hit some news,

482
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Speaker 2: starting with my more abund New York Jets who are

483
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 2: having historically poor offensive season, and on Monday, they finally

484
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 2: made the move that a lot of Jets fans have

485
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 2: been asking for for weeks and weeks. Zach Wilson is

486
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Speaker 2: on the bench once more, not just demoted to second string.

487
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 2: He is now third on the depth chart, behind Tim Boyle,

488
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Speaker 2: who will start on Friday against the Dolphins in the

489
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Speaker 2: Black Friday Game at Medlife Stadium, and Trevor Simeon who

490
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 2: had been signed from the practice squad and he will

491
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Speaker 2: be the backup. So Wilson is the emergency quarterback and

492
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Speaker 2: quite possibly, and you know, this guy's got more lives

493
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Speaker 2: than a cat, but quite possibly he has played his

494
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Speaker 2: last game as a Jet. Here is Robert Sala talking

495
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Speaker 2: about the draft process and what they might have done

496
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Speaker 2: different back in one.

497
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Speaker 1: Robert, what do you believe you guys could have done

498
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Speaker 1: differently during the draft process when evaluating the quarterback position?

499
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Speaker 2: You know what, I actually, I've got my thoughts. I've

500
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Speaker 2: shared him, but I'm not going to get into it

501
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: here with you guys. Is that is a very strange, strange,

502
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 2: strange answer from Sala, who you know, has been a

503
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 2: little inconsistent around this quarterback quite frankly, he went from

504
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 2: supporting him deeply and fully as recently as you know

505
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 2: about seven days ago to now with kind of that

506
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 2: weird non answer and using language that teams tend to

507
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: use when they've given up on a QB, like I

508
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 2: think he can be a good player, you know, insinuating

509
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: wherever that may be, but it won't be here. So

510
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: that is a move that Jets had to make. I

511
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 2: was raging guys about I don't know if I could

512
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 2: watch another game and everyone should be fired if that

513
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: guy is even on the field in the second half

514
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: on against the Bills. So they did bench him in

515
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Speaker 2: that game, and now they move him out of the picture.

516
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Speaker 2: It's just all too little, too late, in my opinion.

517
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, well, you've clearly given up on him

518
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 5: when he's the third quarterback behind Tim Boyle and Trevor Simeon.

519
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 5: That's pretty dark. I mean, there's a non zero chance

520
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 5: Zach Wilson never starts a game in the NFL again.

521
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Speaker 5: I mean there's a non zero chance he's out of

522
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Speaker 5: the league in two or three years. It happened to

523
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 5: Blake Bortles, another top five pick. He'll get another chance

524
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 5: on another team. Certainly, but it'd be a surprise if

525
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 5: he ever played for the Jets again. And and part

526
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Speaker 5: of the issue is that it's Tim Boyle next or

527
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Speaker 5: it's Simeon who is only on the team because he

528
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 5: didn't make the Bengals, And like Tim Boyle is one

529
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Speaker 5: of Aaron Rodgers' best friends, it's hard not to just

530
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Speaker 5: find it bizarre that one of Aaron Rodgers' best friends is,

531
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Speaker 5: you know, running playing quarterback with Aaron Rodgers' favorite play

532
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 5: caller calling the plays. It's just like it's a little much.

533
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Speaker 4: This is another example of when in the press conference

534
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Speaker 4: the coach starts to use words and speak in a tone.

535
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Speaker 4: I mean, there's clear frustration, like you're basically back where

536
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 4: you were a year ago with Zach Wilson, and organizationally,

537
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Speaker 4: like I think a more like let's just take a

538
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 4: fresh look at what we're doing. And we're bringing in

539
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Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers. There's an opportunity to get us strong backup.

540
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Speaker 4: And they spoke so strongly about sticking up for Zach

541
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Speaker 4: Wilson and what he could be behind Aaron Rodgers. He's

542
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 4: gonna sit there, you know, danger free for two years

543
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 4: and learn that's cool, But that's not how most of

544
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 4: these seasons work for most of these teams. And I

545
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 4: feel when I hear Sala speak that, like Joe Douglas

546
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Speaker 4: and Sala and filling the blank quarterback, Aaron Rodgers and

547
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 4: ownership are just not on the same page. And Sala's

548
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Speaker 4: the one having to take it up there verbally. Now

549
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 4: I know he's also been inconsistent, but like he just

550
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 4: sounds like unempowered, and I don't I just I think

551
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Speaker 4: also he's looking at a quarterback that very likely could

552
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Speaker 4: cost a lot of people in that organization jobs very soon.

553
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Speaker 2: I'll leave it here, and this is to Woody and

554
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: Douglas and Tasala and Hackett, and even a little bit

555
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 2: to Aaron Rodgers. I'll quote the joker, you get what

556
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: you deserve, and now let's see if you get to

557
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: keep your job at the end of the season, because

558
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: they could get a lot worse before it gets better.

559
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: Moving on, the San Francisco forty nine Ers have lost

560
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: a big piece. Also, my guy you may return remember

561
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 2: from last year, Telenoa Hufanga is out for the year

562
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: with a torn acl on his right knee. Suffered the

563
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 2: injury against the Bucks on Sunday, and that is a

564
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: big piece of their secondary Greg that goes to the

565
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: wayside until twenty twenty four, So a challenge for San

566
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Speaker 2: Francisco's defense.

567
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought he made progress this year too. Last year,

568
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Speaker 5: I know, he was a second team All Pro, but

569
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Speaker 5: there were a lot of big time plays and he

570
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 5: was giving up a lot of big time plays. And

571
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 5: this year he was more consistent and he still was

572
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 5: making the big play. So he just has a physical

573
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 5: edge back there. It's really the weakest part of their team,

574
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Speaker 5: I would say in general, is their secondary, and so

575
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Speaker 5: that's losing a big part of it. They drafted a guy,

576
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 5: Gyre Brown, I think it was the second round. It

577
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 5: was a surprise pick. He came in on Sunday and

578
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 5: made some plays. Everyone was excited about him. So that's

579
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Speaker 5: one where they're drafting. Their development will have to be

580
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 5: spot on in the early returns at least. How he

581
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 5: played Sunday, we're pretty good.

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Speaker 3: And we talked like about how the Bucks.

583
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Speaker 4: You know, clearly it was like would have been a

584
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 4: lot for them to come back and take a lead

585
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 4: in that game, but they kept knocking on the door

586
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,239
Speaker 4: and they were right down by the end.

587
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Speaker 2: Zone.

588
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 4: There was a tip pass and Jyra Brown picked it off,

589
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 4: and it's like, all right, there's a start.

590
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,479
Speaker 3: There, and I think there's some promise with him.

591
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Speaker 4: But like the Niners, I trust to like lose guys

592
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 4: and like find a way back in.

593
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Speaker 5: Dan, I have a point of correction. You go ahead,

594
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 5: third round pick, and we strive to be accurate here.

595
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: That's very important. I would give you a really touchy

596
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: high five if I was with you right now. Joey

597
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: Bosa of the Chargers limped off the field against the

598
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: Packers on Sunday with a foot injury. He got carded.

599
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: He had the towel in his face and it all

600
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: looked very bad and it's not good. Not maybe end

601
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: of the season bad, but it could be. Joey Bosa

602
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: has a right footspra which sounds awfully close that dreaded Harlot,

603
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: that fluozy, that scorpion woman Liz Frank. But I'm not

604
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: seeing that as a term connected to this injury. But

605
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: it's a footsprain, so he's likely headed to injured reserve,

606
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: Brandon Staley said Monday, which would put him out at

607
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: least the next four games, and it will be determined

608
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: Staley said, if Bosa plays again this season, Greg, this

609
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: has been part of the Joey Bosa experience, and you

610
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: know it's gonna be for whether it's the Chargers or

611
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: whomever else that's gonna give him a massive contract because

612
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: he's an elite player when it comes to doing what

613
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: he does best and getting to the quarterback. But you know,

614
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: this is a tough injury for a Chargers defense that

615
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: already stinks, and it really is frustrating because pos has

616
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: missed a lot of time in his career.

617
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I went and did the numbers randomly earlier this

618
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 5: year because they started thinking about it. This is his

619
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 5: ninth season in This will be the sixth time in

620
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 5: nine seasons I believe that he failed to top what's

621
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 5: the number four hundred, five hundred and fifty snaps, which

622
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 5: would consider like a part time player. If you play

623
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 5: half the snaps, it's about five five hundred. So he

624
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 5: has been less than a part time player, less than

625
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 5: half the snaps in six of his nine seasons. He

626
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 5: he's had a great theoretical career. It would you feel

627
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 5: for it for him, and you certainly feel for the Chargers.

628
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 5: He gave him all that money, but he really hasn't

629
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Speaker 5: had the career kind of that's in your head that

630
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 5: that you think that he had, because he just he

631
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 5: just hasn't been on the field enough. And I do

632
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Speaker 5: suspect that they'll move on from him in the offseason.

633
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Speaker 3: Well, and we don't know who who who like they

634
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: is at this point too, it's Tlesco.

635
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Speaker 5: He's well, yeah, right, and I'm just saying he's been

636
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 5: there forever.

637
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Speaker 4: He's got as probably safe but like it's is he

638
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 4: was there partially or this time around now for Brandon

639
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 4: Stilly's defense as well. He's got a thirty six million

640
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 4: dollar cap hit next year and he's not that easy

641
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 4: to trade unless you to take him some dead money.

642
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 3: But we'll see, he's got zero guaranteed.

643
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Speaker 5: This is crazy. It's crazy that like three seasons in

644
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 5: a nine season career where he really stayed healthy.

645
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: Other injury news better injury news. The Ravens told reporters

646
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: on Sunday that they thought Mark Andrews the season was

647
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: over after the ankle injury that he suffered against the

648
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: Bengal and that Bengals it was a Thursday injury excuse me.

649
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: In their thirty four to twenty win. Harbaugh gave a

650
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: surprise update on the tight end Monday, saying there's a

651
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: quote outside chance they see him again. Let's hear from John.

652
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 6: Nothing's completely definitive yet. But my understanding is in talking

653
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 6: with our trainer and the doctors is that it wasn't

654
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 6: as bad as initially feared right after the game. That

655
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 6: there is there is the type of damage that's done

656
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 6: sometimes and that kind of an action what happens to

657
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 6: the ankle, but it wasn't as bad as it could

658
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 6: have been. It's a little cleaner than they thought based

659
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 6: on the MRI. He's gonna be involved with doctor Anderson

660
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 6: down there in Carolina Charlotte here next few days and

661
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 6: that we'll know more. But there might be an outside

662
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 6: chance you could get back at some point in time.

663
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 6: So we'll just have to see how that goes on.

664
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 6: And I want to say that's definitive by stretch, but

665
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 6: there is some optimism.

666
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: Mark. Does this take too strong? The Ravens cannot win

667
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl without Mark Andrews on the field.

668
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 4: No, I think he's the north Star. But I also

669
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 4: the minute I heard this news, I had a vision

670
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 4: of like, we're gonna be tracking this for weeks and

671
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 4: like he will suit up and appear in time for

672
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 4: like the crucial, you know, final game of the regular

673
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 4: season or their playoff game. I can see that already,

674
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 4: and I have another you know, I have a suspicion.

675
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 4: You know how people have questioned if Shakespeare was actually

676
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 4: like maybe a collection of twelve to fifteen writers, you know,

677
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 4: he was writing like massive.

678
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: Plays, like every week.

679
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 4: Doctor Andrews, I'm convinced is just like a legal firm

680
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 4: of like twenty two doctors that do surgeries every week.

681
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 3: Go back.

682
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 4: I don't know how many years, how many surgeries does

683
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 4: this guy do. He's the busiest guy in the league.

684
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 4: Everyone goes to him. I wouldn't be convinced that there

685
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 4: were if it was seven to eight people all, you know,

686
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 4: collecting massive paychecks.

687
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 5: Well, ever since Neil Architroge or whatever, el Archiro.

688
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: His name is Neil Ela Troch okay.

689
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 5: Bro next, So you got it. I've never said that

690
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 5: name before, and I realized I had no idea how

691
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 5: to say it. But I've just seen it. Those guys

692
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 5: they hate each other. They see each other at the

693
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 5: golf course and he's like Andrews, that guy he's old

694
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 5: tro Elatroje is bringing in the new the new blood

695
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 5: I did Tom Brady's knee.

696
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: Tough sitch. When those guys are battling out, driving up

697
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: past each other and they're like porsches.

698
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 5: The guys, they are likely they'll be fine in the meeting.

699
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: Great. Who do the Seahawks get on Thursday Thanksgiving?

700
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 5: They got the forty nine ers Thursday night.

701
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: All right, that's a tough one, Ovs. And they expect

702
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: Gino Smith, who banged up his elbow in the loss

703
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: of the Rams, to be on the field. So that's

704
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: a good thing. And I'm going to double this one up. Mark,

705
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 2: who's the backup quarterback of the Browns presently.

706
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 4: Well, it sounds like it's going to be Joe Flacco

707
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 4: very soon and maybe PJ. Walker hits the skids behind dtr.

708
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: Right right now, technically it's PJ Walker, But Joe Flacco,

709
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: old stone Pony himself has Stone age Pony himself has

710
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 2: signed with the Cleveland practice squad. You know, we've been

711
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 2: covering Joe Flacco for a long time, but I will

712
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: tell you this, Joe Flacco has got a special skill

713
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: at this point in his career, and it is getting

714
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: hit in the pocket and fumbling the ball. So I hope, Mark,

715
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: for your sake, we do not see Joe Flacco on

716
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: the field in meaningful snaps, because that man is a

717
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: human fumble machine.

718
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 4: I do love that when the Browns tweeted it out,

719
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 4: they went out of their way to the image of

720
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco in a Jets jersey. There's no way they're

721
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 4: going to tweet out Flacco. And he was like he

722
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 4: had outside of Big Ben. He had the greatest quarterbacks

723
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 4: starting record against the Browns of anyone ever in the

724
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 4: modern times. And it just seems like an ill fit

725
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 4: to me. And he's also roughly fifty six years old,

726
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 4: so we'll see how that goes.

727
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: Can I know, Can I just throw out there, Mark,

728
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: you may remember, you may not. Joe Flacco one of

729
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: the most unlikely Jet wins and team history one to

730
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: zero against the Cleveland Browns as a New York Jet

731
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 2: last season.

732
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 4: I guess you bring him in for his information about

733
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 4: what he can do for the Browns. From the inside,

734
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 4: I'm not sure what's happening here.

735
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 5: They do play the Jets later in a potential DTR

736
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 5: versus Tim Boyle Primetime showdown bench me. I honestly would

737
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 5: not be surprised if it's Joe Flacco by then, because

738
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 5: A it's just hard to stay healthy as a quarterback

739
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 5: and so we don't know if the Browns will be

740
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 5: able to stay healthy, and b just depending on how

741
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 5: it goes man this offense that they're putting together with DTR,

742
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 5: it's just they're starting from the ground floor and they're

743
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 5: they're putting different and at some point they just might

744
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 5: want to see how it looks with someone with experience.

745
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 5: It just wouldn't shock you if at some point Joe

746
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 5: Flacco plays for them. But I'm with you, I'd rather

747
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 5: just see Ditiargo.

748
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: The Patriots will decide they're starting in quarterback in week

749
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: twelve and perhaps beyond after sharing reps in practice this week.

750
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: That is depressing between Belly Zappi and of course Mac Jones,

751
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: unless there's another guy in the mix. Greg, you can

752
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: help me out.

753
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 5: With that there is. I actually think Will Greer I

754
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 5: would put money on Will Gear starting games this season.

755
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 5: Maybe not this week, but this season.

756
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: Will Greer and Tim Boyle making up fifty percent of

757
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: the AFC's quarterbacks. That's rough. And finally, the NFL has

758
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: suspended fourteen year veteran. That's unbelievable. Fourteen years. Kareem Jackson's

759
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: been smoking guys on the field, and he was suspended

760
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 2: without pay four games for repeated violations of player Safe

761
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: Your Rules, the result of a pretty vicious hit on

762
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 2: Josh Dobbs in Denver's twenty one to twenty win on Sunday, Mark,

763
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: you were saying to me that real man football is missing,

764
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 2: and and you celebrate hits like that. That's what you

765
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 2: said to me privately. Do you still believe that now

766
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 2: that we're sharing conversation in public?

767
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 3: Sure?

768
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 4: Absolutely? Why would I back down from that take? That

769
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 4: is so honest for me. He just came back from

770
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 4: a suspension, just appealed like another four literal he suspended.

771
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 5: Again, suspended, played two games. It's like Mark's always like, hey,

772
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 5: why don't you just put them in a skirt. It's

773
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 5: like that a little message, you know.

774
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: How about a little flag football.

775
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 4: At this point, I thought our text threads were private,

776
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 4: but here they are just getting vertal on.

777
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 5: People were going wild on that Fletcher Cox hit on

778
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes on that last drive, which which set up

779
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 5: that MBS hit which was. It was borderline, but I

780
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 5: wasn't gonna go crazy about it.

781
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: All right. And finally before we say goodbye, because it's absurd.

782
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: You know, I grew up on the East Coast, but

783
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: you know, it's been a long time since I've been

784
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: watching prime time on the East Coast. And we're taping

785
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: this at twelve eighteen in the morning. You have a

786
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 2: flight to catch in the morning.

787
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 5: Actually, I want to go back to the whole Will

788
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 5: Grier Zappi mac Jones thing for a while because what

789
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 5: it really says about the Patriots dynasty that.

790
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: Okay, Mark, you know, the Browns had another stirring win

791
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: in week eleven, and they are they are charging hard

792
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 2: in the AFC, and they want to let people know,

793
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: the people who doubt them know, Hey, we might be

794
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: down our star running back, we might be without our quarterback,

795
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: but we're still here and they're going to stick it

796
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 2: to the people who doubted them, people like Eric this

797
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: bizarre Cess Spice combination. I mean, you got to check

798
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: out the YouTube. You've got to check out the YouTube.

799
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: But they did the old thing with the sent out

800
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: the tweet. I'm not being we can't see what the

801
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: rounds tweet is based on what we're seeing around. But no,

802
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 2: that was the whole thing, the old, the old screen

803
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: grab of all the game preview picks, and there it is,

804
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 2: Cess Spike Sesspike is picking a sixteen thirteen Steelers win,

805
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: and it just you know, Mark, I don't even know

806
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: what else to say, but I'll throw it to you.

807
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 4: I largely handed the operation over to the extremely knowledgeable

808
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 4: spice Rack in this case. You know, I let him

809
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 4: make some of you know, if he if he feels strongly,

810
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with it.

811
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 3: I would say, that's.

812
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,479
Speaker 5: All right there, Brandon Staley, your name's on it. Let's

813
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 5: take no it is.

814
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 4: But I would say that's a bad job by the

815
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 4: by the Browns with that tweet, because I get those

816
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 4: things all the time. It's like when everyone picked Team

817
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 4: A to win. I mean, I'm a part of that.

818
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: Crew that about.

819
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 3: Half the people picked Cleveland though.

820
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't understand it, but Brown social media needs

821
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 5: to work on it. Half the people picked Cleveland in

822
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 5: a game between two six and three teams.

823
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: All that points out is that, and look, Nick Shook's there,

824
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 2: he picked his home town team by Tom. But let's

825
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: just let's call a spade a spade. You know, if

826
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: you're gonna hand over the operation to someone else, Mark,

827
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 2: maybe somebody that's capable, because it looks like spice Rack

828
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 2: might be in over his head.

829
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 4: I think spice Rack went like, you know, fourteen and

830
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 4: one the week before, so I don't you know, we're

831
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 4: you know, it's more than learning.

832
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: Check the data on that as well. It sounds like

833
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: something let's set the classic Sessler inflation, right.

834
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 5: I think what you really need to do is go

835
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 5: check out my picks on game debut, Mark, and you'll

836
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 5: see I picked the Browns and maybe I'm the biggest

837
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 5: Browns fan now. In the Around the NFL podcast, we

838
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 5: got rid of your old creep creepy quarterback, and uh,

839
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 5: I'm on the train. I picked them in a nice

840
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 5: little victory way to go.

841
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 4: Greg, You're a valiant individual and there's no end to that,

842
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 4: to that ability of yours.

843
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: Greg. Does the name Barry Horowitz mean anything to you?

844
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 5: Actually?

845
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: No, I don't.

846
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 5: I don't know anything.

847
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can look him up on wikiped the real ones.

848
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 5: No.

849
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 2: All right, good stuff. I gotta go catch a bird

850
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: and I'll see you guys on Wednesday we'll be back.

851
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: It's a it's a holiday week here in the States,

852
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving on Thursday, so the schedule for us actually is

853
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: pretty similar. Now it's different actually, because the NFL must

854
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 2: own every day possible, especially during the holiday season. So

855
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: we got we're gonna do our full preview of week

856
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: twelve on the Wednesday show, and then Thursday we will

857
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: enjoy time with our families and watch all the football.

858
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: And then Friday, we'll have you caught up to date

859
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: with the recaps of the Thanksgiving games and also the

860
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: Black Friday Affair, the very very Black Friday Affair of

861
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: the New York Jets against the Miami Dolphins, and of

862
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: course the Flagship Show will return again on Sunday. That's it.

863
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: That's the schedule, Sestag. You're back in the saddle and

864
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 2: there's no getting off.

865
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 4: Baby, I'm in control, Sez the cal