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Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney thorn Smith.

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Speaker 2: And daphnews Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast. Hey you guys, there's

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Speaker 2: jump in here and gossip and have memories and when

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Speaker 2: we were all fabulous in the nineties.

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Speaker 3: You get to talking about this stuff like remember when

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Speaker 3: I remember when.

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Speaker 1: So there's an old talk show clip of mine, kind

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Speaker 1: of making the round of Norm McDonald, which comes up

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Speaker 1: every few years.

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Speaker 3: And I was on a talk show with.

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Speaker 1: Norm MacDonald talking about a film, an art film I

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Speaker 1: did with Carrot Top Calledture of the Board. And Norm

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Speaker 1: McDonald leans over mid interview on the Conan O'Brien show

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Speaker 1: and says, yeah, bored b.

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Speaker 3: O r E D it was. I mean I was

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Speaker 3: canceled today we would dis cancel him.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, but it was so genuinely funny, like Conan

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Speaker 1: keept saying I'm sorry, I'm like, are you kidding getting

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Speaker 1: teased by Nor McDonald. I thought it was hilarious and

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Speaker 1: I wasn't you know. I knew the movie was what

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Speaker 1: the movie was, so I didn't take it seriously. So

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Speaker 1: we thought it would be fun to talk about talk

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Speaker 1: show experiences or live TV experiences like what what comes

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Speaker 1: to mind when you guys think about moments like that,

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Speaker 1: when there's this really surprising thing that happened on live

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Speaker 1: TV and you just have to kind of roll with it.

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Speaker 3: Do you guys have any stories like that?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 4: Speaking of Norm McDonald, he is that guy. He just

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Speaker 4: has the greatest He thinks, if it's funny, say it,

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Speaker 4: and it doesn't matter if it might be a little

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Speaker 4: bit like ouch. You know, if it's funny, say it,

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Speaker 4: and he does. He was in the SNL cast during

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Speaker 4: the time that I hosted Saturday Night Live and.

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Speaker 1: Was he doing Weekend Update. He was so extorted. I

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Speaker 1: mean miss we miss him so much. Trust and peace.

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Speaker 2: Norm.

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Speaker 4: He was actually really kind to me. I was on

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Speaker 4: the same plane with him flying out to New York.

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Speaker 2: Really he was just hooking you in so he could

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Speaker 2: make fun of you later.

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Speaker 4: He was like trying to get material. I'm sure it's

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Speaker 4: like an investor, and there was no shortage of that

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Speaker 4: for sure.

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Speaker 3: On SML.

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Speaker 4: It's like I got there and they do a little

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Speaker 4: bit of a they it's just a whirlwind of trying

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Speaker 4: to put together what the sketches are going to be

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Speaker 4: for the week, and you go into these meetings with

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Speaker 4: all the writers in the cast and everybody's there and

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Speaker 4: they're throwing out pitches of ideas, and it was they're

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Speaker 4: sessing you out. They're kind of, you know, assessing what

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Speaker 4: can you do and who you are, and it basically

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Speaker 4: like was noted, well, you know, since you're so exotic,

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Speaker 4: you you know, we should probably do so. And it

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Speaker 4: was like very clear that they were going, Okay, you're

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Speaker 4: such a plain midwestern person, like made fun of that

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Speaker 4: in a way, like okay, let's you know, so like

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Speaker 4: I had this goofy, sort of exotic like gypsy sketch

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Speaker 4: with Norm MacDonald and anyway. I mean, it was truly

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Speaker 4: the most exhilarating experience to the terrifying too, absolutely terrifying

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Speaker 4: and exhilarating, unbelievable, and I wish it hadn't been wasted

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Speaker 4: on me as a twenty five year old girl who

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Speaker 4: twenty's like however old. I was just a wide eyed

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Speaker 4: and overwhelmed, and you know, it was just this wonderful

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Speaker 4: experience I'll never forget. It's, you know, maybe the thing

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Speaker 4: that I'm most proud that I got the opportunity to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's extraordinary.

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Speaker 4: It was amazing that you got to do that, but

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Speaker 4: talk to those are a whole different live beast anyway,

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Speaker 4: Like there's so anything can happen, and like for you,

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Speaker 4: Court Norm was the other guest on the couch and

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Speaker 4: he's interjecting when it's supposed to be kind of like

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Speaker 4: your turn to talk about your stuff, and he's interjecting

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Speaker 4: doing his thing, and like the unexpected thing that you.

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Speaker 3: Kind of have to go with is so.

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Speaker 1: But it's so much fun because people who haven't done

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Speaker 1: them don't know is you have to do this pre

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Speaker 1: and make you feel funny. A bad pre interview will say,

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Speaker 1: you're still on the spot. So they have an they're

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Speaker 1: going for these stories that you're going to tell, and

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Speaker 1: you have to make sound spontaneous. And one time I

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Speaker 1: was on I was telling a story about my sister's

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Speaker 1: Don Rickles and he teased my dad and that was

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Speaker 2: Like, he teas me the genius amazing.

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Speaker 3: So what about you, JAF do you like to do them? Daf?

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Speaker 2: I there's one that I've seen around that I remember

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Speaker 2: doing with David Letterman, and he was like going after

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Speaker 2: like my boyfriend. My boyfriend at the time was named Billy,

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Speaker 2: and He's like, Billy, Billy, what kind of billy man

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Speaker 3: What does Billy do?

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, he's a professional, and he interrupted

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Speaker 2: me and said wrestler.

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Speaker 3: God, I was hoping you were going to say wrestlers.

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Speaker 2: Billy's Billy?

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Speaker 2: So what's Billy? Like? I go, well, he's a chef

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Speaker 2: and he cooks.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what was he cook? What do you eat?

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Speaker 3: What do you eat?

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Speaker 2: And I just felt so like fish And then he

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Speaker 2: to tell you know, like you said, Courtney, the stories

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Speaker 2: that you go through with the producer beforehand, and yet

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Speaker 2: then he just came at me and I and I

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Speaker 2: felt a little bit like it was at my expense,

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Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Like this young actress

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Speaker 3: But what I always helping though, Right, that was Letterman's thing.

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Speaker 2: It was him being funny, yes, going after it, and

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Speaker 2: I did get I think it was right after I

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Speaker 2: finished uh Melrose Place, because I got to tell him

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Speaker 2: everything that Joe did. That's where I say that the baby,

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Speaker 2: so I just remember that being like when am I

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Speaker 2: going to get to just be funny on my own?

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Speaker 2: I had to respond constantly to his being making joke

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Speaker 2: after joke after joke like that in my eyes, Well,

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Speaker 2: there's different like who were your favorites to do? Like?

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Speaker 1: I always loved doing the View because you got to

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Speaker 1: just relax because there it's just like hanging out with

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Speaker 1: the girls, right, and Conan is so fun and he

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Speaker 3: What do you think what were your favorites to do?

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Speaker 4: I had an uncomfortable experience, like you're talking about daff On,

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Speaker 4: like where you have an expectation of like, this is

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Speaker 4: what they said we're going to talk about in the

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Speaker 4: pre interview, this is what they said we're going to

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Speaker 4: Jay Leno and it was as I was leaving Melrose

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Speaker 4: the Tonight Show and then it was they somehow in

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Speaker 4: the pre interview said I heard you play the trumpet

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Speaker 4: or that you used to play. I'm like, oh god, no, no,

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Speaker 4: did that as a youth in my childhood.

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Speaker 3: Whatever.

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Speaker 4: They're like, well would you do this on the show.

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Speaker 4: We am like no, no, no, no, this is really

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Speaker 4: be okay. I like sort of reluctantly agree to do that, so,

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Speaker 4: you know, play along whatever. And the premise was like

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Speaker 4: they wanted to know you're on this show, tell us

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Speaker 4: now is he gonna die?

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Speaker 3: Is she you know? Is she coming back for another

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Speaker 3: We saw her die, you know. And they're like oh no,

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Speaker 4: Then the trumpet comes out and it's like pedny, and

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Speaker 4: so I start to play tax.

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Speaker 3: Horrible, Oh my god, because I don't play the trumpet anymore.

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Speaker 4: Whatever, and he's like all right, up right right, and

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Speaker 4: he like and it was just like everything was so like, wait,

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Speaker 4: now you're not. And he was like literally like pushing

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Speaker 4: the trumpet away, like I'm like that thing you're talking about,

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Speaker 4: but I think I'm going along with a bit.

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Speaker 3: But then you're like just so hard to anticipate. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: Oh I.

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Speaker 2: Hope they can find these clips that we talked about.

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Speaker 2: I would love that.

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Speaker 3: I need to see you with the trumpet.

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Speaker 4: It's horrible and it's I'm sure it's findable.

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Speaker 3: It's terrible. So these talk shows not easy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're very intense and it goes so fast. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like they're fun to cook, like Rachel, you would get

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Speaker 1: did Martha Stewart and I got to make my hummus.

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Speaker 3: Like that's fun. If you can actually do something exactly,

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Speaker 4: I feel like the late night talk shows are like,

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Speaker 4: so you as the guest, because suddenly, you know, going

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Speaker 4: along with this new energy that it's really hard to anticipate.

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Speaker 4: Doug was being I think he did the Martha Stewart one,

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Speaker 4: like you're saying, and she had him fold a fitted sheet.

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Speaker 3: Which.

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Speaker 4: My husband knows how to fold a fitted sheet to

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Speaker 2: God, I remember that's something about that I didn't know

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Speaker 2: Doug was on. I to this day, every time I

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Speaker 2: fold a sheet, I think, Martha.

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Speaker 4: Stewart, you, I'm sure that he's how to do it.

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Speaker 1: The next time I see Doug, I'm gonna have him

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Speaker 3: Mine end up a little lumpy. I did one.

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Speaker 2: It was, oh my god.

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Speaker 3: I was mortified.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember Greg Kannear had a talk show back

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Speaker 2: in the days nineties. I did the Greg Kannear Show,

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Speaker 2: and right before I was so nervous before we went on,

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Speaker 2: I went into the bathroom and I so that nobody

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Speaker 2: could hear me pee. I clicked my you know how

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Speaker 2: the mic is, there's a mic pad box behind you,

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Speaker 2: and then it was already miked up, and so I'm

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Speaker 2: in there, I'm like, ha, they're not going to hear

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Speaker 2: me pee. So and then I just walk out. I

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Speaker 2: get all ready and I go back out and we're

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Speaker 2: sitting there live and Dobby b I come down and

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Speaker 2: suddenly somebody goes, what what, Oh, they can't hear you

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Speaker 2: and I and they moom a boom comes in and

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Speaker 2: is like, I just go, oh my god, I went

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Speaker 1: If I'm working on something, you always wear mics now,

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Speaker 2: I mean they just stay around between setups, you know.

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Speaker 3: Now that's so funny.

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Speaker 1: Super fun when we did talk shows to promote this.

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Speaker 1: It was so much fun to do it with you guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, guys, Well, since we're all so nervous

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Speaker 4: I just have to say, I'm so grateful for you

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Speaker 3: It's just so relaxing, isn't it in our very homes?

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Speaker 3: All right, it's so good.

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Speaker 4: To see you as you have a Melow's minute to

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Speaker 3: All right, Great to see you, guys.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you soon.

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Speaker 3: Bye guys, By everyone, Bye,