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Speaker 1: Here we go. It is a Wednesday. We are live

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Speaker 1: in Balmy, Chicago. It's the Herd wherever you may be

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Speaker 1: and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us

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Speaker 1: part of your day. One hour from now, Nick Swisher

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Speaker 1: Yankees open up the season tonight. Nick's gonna bring his energy.

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Speaker 1: We like Nix on the show. Houka Nakua trouble Rams.

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Speaker 1: Don't like that nonsense North Carolina. Maybe the best job

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Speaker 1: in college basketball is now now open and it's getting

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Speaker 1: very interesting. So I spent some time this morning. We

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Speaker 1: had Rachel Nichols on, I'll play that in a few minutes.

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Speaker 1: There is a growing sentiment that Lebron doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: and Lebron wants to stay in Los Angeles and he

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Speaker 1: wants to be a Laker. And he's got his agent,

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Speaker 1: Rich Paul, delivering salvos and texts the talk show hosts

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Speaker 1: and writers to get us off that message that they're

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Speaker 1: better without Lebron. Well, actually, Lebron deserves a lot of

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Speaker 1: credit here because Lebron has changed this game. He's not

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Speaker 1: the same player. He's still great individually in spurts. This

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Speaker 1: happened about three years ago, but he's not going to

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Speaker 1: give you forty minutes tonight, not as good back to back.

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Speaker 1: He's just aging, you know. And it's a very uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: space for Lebron and his group to be in because

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Speaker 1: they've had absolute control until now. Even last year was

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Speaker 1: it was not in shape Luca, it was coming off

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Speaker 1: an injury in Chubby Luca. But now Austin Reeves has

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Speaker 1: developed into a legitimate number two. Luca could be the MVP,

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Speaker 1: and Lebron's got to go. Robert Downey Junior, Right, you

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Speaker 1: got to go leading man to Hey, we've got a

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Speaker 1: And I remember years ago Lebron sent a tweet out

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Speaker 1: he said, hey man, stop trying to find a way out.

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Speaker 1: Just fit in, be part of something special. Just my thoughts. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's what Lebron James has to do. And again, he's

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Speaker 1: And now Austin Reeves is a legit too. And I've

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Speaker 1: know Lebron doesn't want to go back to Cleveland. And

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Speaker 1: I know that because I'm watching his agent fight for

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Speaker 1: him through media channels, and that's coming from Lebron. His

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Speaker 1: family likes LA's. LA is built for famous people. He

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Speaker 1: twice at LA restaurants. And they weren't even bougie restaurants.

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Speaker 1: You can go to dinner Brad Pitt's two tables over.

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Speaker 1: You can hide in La a lot of gates, a

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Speaker 1: And his net worth I checked this morning, is one

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Speaker 1: It's one thing for the last month of.

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Speaker 3: The regular season and the playoffs for Lebron to be

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Speaker 1: That is a that is a real hard choice pay

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Speaker 1: But those are two big asks, all right. Major League

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Speaker 1: Baseball opens tonight Yankees San Francisco on Netflix, and I'm

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Speaker 1: reading an Ian O'Connor story. If he's writing it, it's

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Speaker 1: the essence of where the Yankees stand today. They're no

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Speaker 1: longer the Yankees. The Dodgers have replaced them as baseball's

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Speaker 1: The Dodgers owners are richer, and the Dodgers' front office

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Speaker 1: The Yankees have become a business that is so big

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Speaker 1: got enough. I mean, this offseason, the Yankees are still

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Speaker 1: is similar to like big banking. Like it's the same

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Speaker 1: The Yankees have moved into we're going to put our

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Speaker 1: on Aaron Boone, the manager, who takes all the heat

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Speaker 4: He's a great player, and I know that probably people

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Speaker 4: So I think, you know, he's still one of the

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Speaker 1: Be the second for me. O Tani number one. But

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Speaker 1: the point is is baseball does and have a salary cap.

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Speaker 1: So in the NBA you are limited what you can

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Speaker 1: Jay Mac, I'll be parked in front of a TV

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Speaker 1: college basketball starting Friday, Yukon Michigan State is ohen Dan Hurley.

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Speaker 1: one of the nicest, isn't that. You know the Triangle

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Speaker 1: It's one of the best places, best college campuses in America.

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Speaker 1: Money's not an issue. I mean Bill Belichick, you see

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Speaker 1: you can have. Kentucky to me, has always been dysfunctional,

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Speaker 1: even when Calipari's there, it's always a little dysfunctional. Arizona

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Speaker 5: there and I'll just say I think this search is

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Speaker 1: Oh I do too.

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Speaker 5: I don't think they're just going to be able to

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Speaker 5: I think they need to readjust expectations on a really

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Speaker 5: good job.

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Speaker 1: It would you don't need to leave Arizona or Ukon.

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Speaker 1: You don't need to leave those jobs. You've got all

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I mean if you think that's a great hire.

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Speaker 5: I mean Billy Dott. What's he done with the Bulls.

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Speaker 7: I'm the producer of the Pauli and Toni Fusco Show.

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Speaker 9: and I think that's what the Dodgers are doing. They're

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Speaker 9: bringing in obviously tremendous players and big time names, but

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Speaker 9: guys that can fill the slots that they need. You

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Speaker 9: lose Tay Oscar Hernandez, you bring in Kyle Tucker. It's

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Speaker 9: just kind of one of those things where they just

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Speaker 9: continue to keep replenishing themselves.

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Speaker 6: Year in and year out. Mark Wall threw over there

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Speaker 6: on the Dodgers man with the Google high money. Baby.

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Speaker 6: They feel it really good about where they are right now.

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Speaker 1: So you know, an interesting player. And I watched him

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Speaker 1: in the World Baseball Classic as Paul Schemes, and I

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Speaker 1: could see if the Yankees, you know, kind of maybe

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Speaker 1: didn't Garrett Coles not quite what they think. I could

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Speaker 1: see the Yankee saying, let's go get like a Skeens,

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Speaker 1: who you feel bad for because he's so dominant and

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Speaker 1: so competitive and all in like, I mean, he was

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Speaker 1: just devastated losing the World Baseball Classic. What do you make?

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's always been guy like that, like a

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Speaker 1: great player for a team that doesn't have the payroll.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Skemes eventually somebody just opens it up

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Speaker 1: and goes He's literally too good to play for Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 6: Hell, yes, that's the right answer, right.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I think at the end of the day, Listen,

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Speaker 9: the Pittsburgh Pirates are obviously, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, found a diamond in the rough.

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Speaker 9: The fact that Paul Skeenes is going out doing what

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Speaker 9: he's doing, and not only that with such a young age,

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Speaker 9: the fact that he is carrying himself as such a professional. Listen,

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Speaker 9: you know what, he's dating his girlfriend right now. All

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Speaker 9: eyes are on them. I mean, they're watching him all

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Speaker 9: the time. And he has just kept on the narrow

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Speaker 9: and steady and he's continuing to do his work. One

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Speaker 9: of the things that I noticed that I talked to

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Speaker 9: some of the guys on the team USAWBC team was

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Speaker 9: how professionally he carried himself. And it's crazy because for

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Speaker 9: someone like that to have it already all figured out

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Speaker 9: is so impressive. This is one of those things where

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Speaker 9: obviously cy Young's are huge in his future. I'm really

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Speaker 9: excited to see him start going a little deeper into games,

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Speaker 9: you know, instead of coming out in the fifth to

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Speaker 9: sixth inning, being able to get those complete sort of

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Speaker 9: games because he has the stuff for it. He has

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Speaker 9: the strikeout stuff. I just think as he continues to

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Speaker 9: keep progressing in his overall future, he's only going to

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Speaker 9: continue to get better and better.

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Speaker 1: So I don't believe in salary caps for baseball. I

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Speaker 1: think you should have a salary floor. I think you

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Speaker 1: have to spend about a million one hundred and fifty million.

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Speaker 1: Guardians were around there, Brewers were around there, and if

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Speaker 1: you're well run, you can win games. If you're spending

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Speaker 1: eighty ninety, you can't compete your tripa baseball team. I

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Speaker 1: look at the Mets, but ioways argue that money doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean you win, it means you're interesting. The money makes

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Speaker 1: the Mets interesting Juan Soto, but it doesn't make him good.

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Speaker 1: My question with Steve Cohen and the money is the

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Speaker 1: Yankees have a culture, The Dodgers have a culture, Milwaukee's

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Speaker 1: got a great culture, the Cubs do. My question is

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Speaker 1: with the Mets, do you trust their culture because they

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Speaker 1: were a huge disappointment last year.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I mean, listen, you know, obviously I don't ever really

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Speaker 9: want to speak down on somebody or any group of people,

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Speaker 9: but I did notice it was a little interesting this

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Speaker 9: offseason when Edwin Diaz and Pete Alonso couldn't have got

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Speaker 9: out of there faster. It almost just seemed like they

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Speaker 9: got those offers and they immediately took them. Now, Carlos

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Speaker 9: Mendoza is a great friend of mine and I'd love

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Speaker 9: him to death, and I think he is a tremendous

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Speaker 9: human being. But this is not the first time that

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Speaker 9: this conversation has come up in the New York Mets

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Speaker 9: locker room. So that's kind of one of those things

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Speaker 9: where you know, Uncle Stevie's money can get you so far,

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Speaker 9: but at the end of the day, whether it's maybe

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Speaker 9: you know, maybe it's not the right people, maybe it's

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Speaker 9: not the.

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Speaker 6: Right leaders, or whatever it is.

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Speaker 9: But this is not the first time this conversation has

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Speaker 9: come up, So there definitely has to be some things

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Speaker 9: that are happening in that locker room. Because when you

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Speaker 9: have someone like a Jan Soto who goes forty forty

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Speaker 9: in his first year.

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Speaker 6: Over there at City Field, no one expected him to

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Speaker 6: do that.

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Speaker 9: They were like, yeah, he'll hit forty in Yankee Stadium,

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Speaker 9: But when you go to that big ballpark over there,

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Speaker 9: and look, he did absolutely dominated last year and was

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Speaker 9: the player that we all knew that he was going

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Speaker 9: to be Now does that necessarily translate into championships? Not

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Speaker 9: so much, because you need a whole group of guys

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Speaker 9: to be able to do that.

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Speaker 6: So I just think with.

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Speaker 9: Where the New York Mets are right now, I mean,

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Speaker 9: money is no object over there. I think it just

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Speaker 9: kind of depends on where they feel like they're moving

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Speaker 9: and are the decisions they're making the right ones, because

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Speaker 9: as of late, it doesn't seem like they might.

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Speaker 1: Be the You know, it's funny that if I said

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Speaker 1: to you take Aaron Judge out, there's no pressure on

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Speaker 1: Aaron Judge. He's great. We all know that. Aaron Boone,

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Speaker 1: steady hand, he and Cashman I think are fine for

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Speaker 1: the time being. If I said to you give me

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Speaker 1: a Yankee, you do feel there's some pressure on because

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Speaker 1: Judge is going to be Judges arguably the best player

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Speaker 1: in the sport. Is there is there a unit or

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Speaker 1: a player with the Yankees where you do feel like, okay,

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Speaker 1: it's time to deliver.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I mean, listen, we got a lot of production from

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Speaker 9: a lot of different guys last year, and it's really

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Speaker 9: hard to really single one certain guy out. I guess

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Speaker 9: I would almost rephrase that question, is you know, who

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Speaker 9: do I expect to come out and really do some

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Speaker 9: damage this year other than someone like an Aaron Judge. Obviously,

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Speaker 9: Cody Bellinger just signed his contract.

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Speaker 6: He's locked and loaded. His daddy was a Yankee, so he.

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Speaker 9: Understands what a being a Yankee is all about. One

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Speaker 9: of the guys that I'm really interested to watch this

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Speaker 9: year is Jazz Chisholm. Contract is up in a free

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Speaker 9: agent year. The Cat went thirty thirty last year, could

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Speaker 9: have gone forty forty if he stayed healthy, And that's

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Speaker 9: really kind of one of the guys that I think

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Speaker 9: is going to be a tone setter for this roster.

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Speaker 9: Because you can't bank on Aaron Judge hitting a three

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Speaker 9: run homer in the eighth inning every single game.

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Speaker 6: You're gonna need some other people to step it up

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Speaker 6: as well. That's why I feel like.

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Speaker 9: This narrative about Aaron not being able to show up

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Speaker 9: in the big situations and the whole line. The Cat

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Speaker 9: hit five hundred plus in the postseason last year, so

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Speaker 9: at the end of the day, you need guys to

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Speaker 9: really show up for you, and I think Jazz is

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Speaker 9: one of those guys that's gonna be a huge tremendous

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Speaker 9: bright light over there in New York.

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Speaker 6: I think over there in the Bronx, he loves you,

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Speaker 6: he loves the vi he loves the lights, and so.

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Speaker 9: I think for him, this is going to be a

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Speaker 9: massive year for him. I'm really looking for a good one.

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Speaker 1: Do they know when Garrett Cole is officially going to

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Speaker 1: be back? Is what are they staying inside the organization?

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Speaker 1: What do we know?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think there's you know, there's been there's been

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Speaker 9: a little bit of rumblings about when he's coming back.

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Speaker 9: I think they're kind of keeping that tight to the chest.

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Speaker 9: They just want to make sure that Garrett feels as

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Speaker 9: good as he can to get himself back because listen, man,

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Speaker 9: we still got him for some years.

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Speaker 6: We still need him to be good.

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Speaker 9: So if he needs to take an extra little time off,

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Speaker 9: you know, that's kind of one of the things that

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Speaker 9: I really appreciated about what we have with our starting staff,

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Speaker 9: the fact that we have a little bit of depth

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Speaker 9: and if the offense can do just a little something

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Speaker 9: with the staff that we're going to be throwing out

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Speaker 9: there each and every day.

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Speaker 6: I mean, Max Fried has been absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 9: Carlos Rodon has turned into an absolute grinder over there

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Speaker 9: in the Bronx, Clark Schmid's going to give you some

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Speaker 9: productive innings. There's just so many guys that you can

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Speaker 9: go to earlier in the year that being able to

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Speaker 9: get a Garrett Cole back on your roster is going

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Speaker 9: to be an absolute humongous boost for the boys come

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Speaker 9: the second.

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Speaker 1: Half next wish sure good energy. Nick has this energy

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Speaker 1: before coffee. So that's the thing that.

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Speaker 9: Means good to see your two Colin Man, keep doing

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Speaker 9: your thanks brother, I'll catch up you later.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Easter non a Empacific.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The the Puka Nakua situation, so there are allegations

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Speaker 1: and his his attorneys are not uh they have dismissed

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Speaker 1: it a horse play, but Puka is facing allegations of

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Speaker 1: biting a woman. So the aj Brown rumors a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago, a week ago. Eagles receiver Rams probably

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Speaker 1: got rid of this a couple of weeks ago. So

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Speaker 1: you know, the thing with Puka is I always call

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Speaker 1: it the drip drip effect, like the faucet eventually bursts,

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Speaker 1: and there have been multiple we talked about this yesterday

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Speaker 1: and the day before. With Puka, his style of play,

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Speaker 1: he gets dinged up a lot. Why did he drop

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Speaker 1: to the fifth round? I mean Tyreek Hill dropped to

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Speaker 1: the fifth round, Antonio Brown dropped to the sixth round.

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Speaker 1: And they walk in the league and you're like, how

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Speaker 1: well poo could drop to the fifth round his first practice.

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford's like, holy wow, he was a star his

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Speaker 1: first game in the league. I think if you dig

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Speaker 1: deep enough, maybe you find some stuff. I know his

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Speaker 1: brother was arrested last December. So there's just been a

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Speaker 1: lot of incidents. I think they have been. There's been

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Speaker 1: a lot of discussions inside the building. The Rams are

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Speaker 1: very buttoned up. Maturity matters a lot, Matt Stafford. They're

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Speaker 1: on his timeline here, he's got a couple of years left.

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Speaker 1: They don't have time for nonsense. I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these are allegations, but there have been several missteps and

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Speaker 1: the Rams are just not going to tolerate this stuff.

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Speaker 1: They just don't. I mean they if they think you

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Speaker 1: have too much ego, they move on. If they think

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Speaker 1: you're kind of doing your own thing. Jalen Ramsey, who

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Speaker 1: was a great player boom, they'll let you go. So

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Speaker 1: I I mean, anytime there's a top receiver and you

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Speaker 1: you know you hear trade rumors, you know, like Stefan

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Speaker 1: Diggs or Tyreek Hill or AJ Brown or George Pickens,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's usually behavioral. It's you know, and that's

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not precious. I don't think everybody in

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Speaker 1: a locker room's perfect. It's a big locker room. These

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Speaker 1: are young men, I get it. These are just allegations.

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Speaker 1: But I have been close enough to the Rams. They

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Speaker 1: have no time for this. This is just not an

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Speaker 1: organization that is interested. They don't even they don't even

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Speaker 1: like ego, like you're either all in on the team

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Speaker 1: or they move on. So this does not bode well.

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Speaker 1: And then the tough part for the Rams is, you

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Speaker 1: know you're sitting here thinking we're favored with the super Bowl, like, guys,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is not the time. So again, allegations,

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Speaker 1: but it's I mean, horse play biting people as an adult,

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Speaker 1: like I don't know, just I don't buy the horseplay.

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Speaker 1: Just my opinion, I don't buy that at all,