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Speaker 1: And That's what You Really missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to and That's What You Really miss Podcast. Today,

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Speaker 3: we have a very special guest, Kevin.

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Speaker 1: McHale the.

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Speaker 2: Grim. Wow, you couldn't do better than me.

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Speaker 1: Well, we do have a special guest. It's not you,

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Speaker 1: but we.

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Speaker 2: Have it's someone more special for sure. We have Max

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Speaker 2: adler Kowski is here.

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Speaker 1: The show choir extraordinary himself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like the only person who was actually in show choir.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in like select choir.

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Speaker 3: But he like corn and like like competed and stuff.

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Speaker 1: So he's really legit. He's legit.

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Speaker 2: He's legit. We find out he's legit in every way

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Speaker 2: that I didn't really know coming into this, Like he

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Speaker 2: was the most qualified person on this show.

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Speaker 1: I mean true, I'm surprised they didn't auditioning for Puck.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: It's like now that you see Mark, like, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: knew what they were going for, but like, you know,

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Speaker 3: like why did.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what? Robert Oric had a vision and

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Speaker 2: he's said everyone and really nailed it. So and Robert Oric,

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Speaker 2: I trust.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no questions asked, Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Max is here, give it up for Max Appler.

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Speaker 4: Hey, you agreed going on. Good to see you.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. We have a lot to talk about,

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Speaker 3: so let's just let's just do it. But how are

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Speaker 3: you doing, You've got a kiddy.

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Speaker 4: Or figure out? Fan's good. Everyone's healthy. You know, I'm

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Speaker 4: still still my wife Jen, who you guys know.

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Speaker 5: And now we have a Dylan who is three and

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Speaker 5: two months talking up a storm, interested in planes and

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Speaker 5: garbage trucks and construction vehicles and all the things. And

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Speaker 5: we're battling to get him to sleep in his own room.

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Speaker 4: So there's that.

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Speaker 5: But everyone, everyone's good now, just you know, figuring out

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Speaker 5: the life amidst the strike, and you know what I

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Speaker 5: will do this summer and uh, you know, but yeah,

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Speaker 5: producing acting, things are things are good, but you know,

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Speaker 5: navigating the craziness of this business, like we all are.

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Speaker 2: Right, and it's it's so interesting too because the last

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Speaker 2: time this writers strike happened, Glee. Could we talk to

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Speaker 2: Ian a few months ago and he was saying, now,

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Speaker 2: you know, Glee happened randomly during the last writer's strike. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so here we are again, So maybe there will be

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Speaker 2: some new opportunities for all of us. Outside of it

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Speaker 2: worked out for us last time asking for it. Let's

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Speaker 2: do something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that.

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Speaker 5: Hopefully it could be a shoe in you'd think you

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Speaker 5: actually know, I'm never gonna work for I.

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Speaker 4: Don't think I'm invited back sport.

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Speaker 2: Yeah the same. We'll also just be watching.

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Speaker 4: Although it is crazy.

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Speaker 5: there's another podcast, not a rival podcast, just another one

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Speaker 5: out there called Strike Talk, but it's all about strike

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Speaker 5: and I'm like learning, like exactly what's going on, the

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Speaker 4: I was like, that's it is crazy to think about

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Speaker 5: And Brad when it was like just three people that

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Speaker 5: outstanding how that happened and worked so well, Like what

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Speaker 5: a what a time?

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Speaker 4: What a combination that.

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Speaker 2: Like twenty two episodes a season that way. They did

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Speaker 3: Not even ten episodes anymore, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: It was twenty two back in the day.

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Speaker 1: Imagine that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're talking about Mike White for White Lotus like

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Speaker 2: storylines that was on them. They ranks, right, they had control. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Take us back to before you got Glee.

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Speaker 3: What were you doing and then what was it like

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Man, Well, I was doing the valet restaurant game, you know,

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Speaker 5: the day job game and auditioning I did.

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Speaker 4: I was working at a Macaroni grill restaurant and I

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Speaker 4: and they were doing a project to battlemeth through PSA's

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Speaker 4: and the director was Tony Kay who did American History X,

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Speaker 4: And I really wanted to obviously work with him, and

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Speaker 4: I had an agent.

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Speaker 5: I egged him to get in for a series regular

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Speaker 5: on Glee because I think Jenna, you and I might

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Speaker 5: have been the only people actually in show choir. I

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Speaker 5: don't know, but I was like a huge, huge show

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Speaker 5: I was like, please please get me in.

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Speaker 2: Nothing is more specifically right for you.

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Speaker 4: Right, But but in you know the world of Hollywood,

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Speaker 4: they didn't see me. You know, they DIDN'TY didn't see it.

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Speaker 5: They didn't think I was right whatever, but I had

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Speaker 5: Brought me in for it was two lines one day

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Speaker 4: And I remember going in and I coached on it

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Speaker 5: and I'm like, oh, you know, I've been wanting to

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Speaker 5: world orders all that. But I was like, all right,

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Speaker 5: I was like, let me, let me like stand out.

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Speaker 5: But I went in and did my thing, and it

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Speaker 4: Just to get on. Yeah, and I got the call.

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Speaker 4: I was doing theater.

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Speaker 5: I was doing, uh, Richard the Second with the Shakespeare

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Speaker 5: Two lines on Glee and like, you know, and I

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Speaker 5: practice with like the dummy, the first slush thrower.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, I don't there was somebody I'm

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Speaker 4: Rest in peace. He was amazing. He was incredibly passionate

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Speaker 5: So he would talk to me for like hours, literally hours,

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Speaker 5: He's like like We're just We're just gonna do like

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Speaker 4: So so much pressure.

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Speaker 5: I was like, what, Like I just I'm an actor,

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Speaker 5: Like I'm like a slushy thrower, Like.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, like what's going to happen.

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Speaker 5: And he was just you know, he'd be in the corner,

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Speaker 4: And luckily, luckily, did you?

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Speaker 1: Did you threw a lot of slushies, a lot of slushies.

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Speaker 5: I got slushied once, but I had zombie makeup covering

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Speaker 5: and heard, which is like the whole point of the show, right,

443
00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,160
Speaker 5: But it was so weird about that, yeah, I mean yeah,

444
00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,040
Speaker 5: but so it was like I never had that conversation.

445
00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:41,280
Speaker 4: There's never like that, you.

446
00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,399
Speaker 5: Know, that Ryan sit down or like this is what

447
00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,400
Speaker 5: we're gonna do, like let's talk about it, or let's

448
00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,800
Speaker 5: talk about what people are like feeling about it, and

449
00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,959
Speaker 5: like I would try, but like not you know, no,

450
00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:51,400
Speaker 5: not much of a like a response.

451
00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,320
Speaker 4: And I was like it was and to this day,

452
00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:54,680
Speaker 4: it's like it's so it is weird.

453
00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,160
Speaker 5: It's like that the josh Usman thing of I don't

454
00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,280
Speaker 5: know if you guys remember like Life of Pie, but

455
00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,560
Speaker 5: like there's that whole like relationship he has, you know,

456
00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,840
Speaker 5: I think the lions, like Richard Parker or something, and

457
00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,040
Speaker 5: he just like wants that lions like look back and

458
00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,440
Speaker 5: acknowledge him, but like he just kind of goes.

459
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,480
Speaker 4: Off into the woods. And I was like, I'm like

460
00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:11,680
Speaker 4: that's like Glee.

461
00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,560
Speaker 5: I was like, like, no, there was never anyone that

462
00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,000
Speaker 5: was like, hey, like we did it, like good job

463
00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,919
Speaker 5: on the storyline, like you know, its just kind of

464
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,280
Speaker 5: like it just kind of ended, and I was like

465
00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:19,639
Speaker 5: did that?

466
00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:20,720
Speaker 4: Did that just happen?

467
00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,560
Speaker 8: Like wow that it's like still like waiting for like

468
00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,359
Speaker 8: that like closure, and it is and it is weird,

469
00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,479
Speaker 8: but like you know, and I understand what you got

470
00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,280
Speaker 8: talking about too, because I've been on the other side

471
00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,040
Speaker 8: where I've been like the bigger part of shows and

472
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:35,359
Speaker 8: it's like.

473
00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're just you know, you kind of bond more

474
00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:38,480
Speaker 4: like all the time.

475
00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,520
Speaker 5: Together, and it's like the guest stars are great and awesome,

476
00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:41,359
Speaker 5: but like you just don't.

477
00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,520
Speaker 4: It's like it's like you know, like in high school,

478
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:44,159
Speaker 4: where like.

479
00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,040
Speaker 5: You know, you could all go to the same school,

480
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,040
Speaker 5: but like unless you're like you have like that one

481
00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,359
Speaker 5: you know, night of partying where like some truth and

482
00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:51,160
Speaker 5: some tears.

483
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 2: Coming here, you have like that bond.

484
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,080
Speaker 5: You talk about it the next day and it's like,

485
00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,040
Speaker 5: oh cool, like he's in my science class, but like,

486
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:56,639
Speaker 5: you know, we're not.

487
00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:57,640
Speaker 4: We're just not like that.

488
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,760
Speaker 5: So I always understood like the backing order, you know,

489
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,639
Speaker 5: like where it was, but yeah, weird that like the

490
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 5: outside world was like he's Onlee, like your Lee cast

491
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,399
Speaker 5: member been like doing it. I was like, but like

492
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,640
Speaker 5: am I kind of like straddling like the fence of

493
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:13,880
Speaker 5: like when will I be back?

494
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:14,760
Speaker 4: Will I be back?

495
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 5: Like?

496
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,880
Speaker 4: Am I going back to the breadlines?

497
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,280
Speaker 5: Like it was a very weird like you know, like

498
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,400
Speaker 5: aye unstable kind of six years, but also like most

499
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:28,640
Speaker 5: exciting and rewarding. So yeah, still trying to deal with that,

500
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,440
Speaker 5: you know totally.

501
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's such a big storyline, even after

502
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,240
Speaker 3: that initial kiss from you know, the big episode where

503
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 3: you attempt suicide. I mean it's such a massive undertaking.

504
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,440
Speaker 3: I'm curious like what that was like when you read

505
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,199
Speaker 3: that script. Did you know you were coming? Did you

506
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,680
Speaker 3: know that was coming? Did Ryan drop any nuggets and

507
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 3: like what the response was or did you feel like

508
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 3: did it shift at that point or what?

509
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

510
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,680
Speaker 5: I guess I kind of like solidify, I made my

511
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 5: place like in you know, in the show, but also

512
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 5: like I was again excited about it because working with

513
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 5: my coach, it was kind of like this guy's and

514
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 5: you know, a small town uh worried about his sexuality

515
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,159
Speaker 5: getting out there like his dad, you know, society, Like

516
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,679
Speaker 5: in reality, he would probably think about suicide. But I

517
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 5: was like, they would never do this on like a

518
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 5: Fox musical comic in.

519
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 4: A way, there'll be some kind of hout.

520
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,959
Speaker 5: So when that actually came to me, you know, the script,

521
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 5: I was like, oh my gosh. It was like it

522
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,160
Speaker 5: was really thank you to the writers for like doing

523
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,159
Speaker 5: this character justice and like showing what could happen to

524
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 5: someone in that situation and in that position, and like

525
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 5: you know, like let's let's be real about it and

526
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 5: like let's really you know again, touch lives and like

527
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 5: save some hearts, you know, and change people's minds and

528
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 5: open up people's eyes.

529
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 4: And it was a brutal episode to film.

530
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 5: Like I was in a very you know, dark space,

531
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 5: because you really I had like understand like what would

532
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 5: lead someone to commit suicide and like just like the

533
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 5: hopelessness and like the not having anyone to turn to

534
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 5: and just like being like at like the literal like

535
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 5: you know, end of your rope.

536
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 4: And like, you know, just it's dark. And I remember

537
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 4: sitting like on a.

538
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 5: Golf cart with Brad Beeker like right outside the studio

539
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 5: for like I don't like an hour, and he was

540
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 5: telling me like these really vulnerable things about like you know,

541
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 5: his life and his mindset and just like where he's been.

542
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 4: And I was like confessing stuff.

543
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 5: To him, but like like when my mom passed, and

544
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 5: it was like this very like emotional like talk that

545
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 5: put me in a great space to like go in

546
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 5: and and then film and then again I knew I'm

547
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 5: like representing people because at this time this was where

548
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 5: like Fox started like kind of sending me to like, uh, doctor.

549
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 4: Phil or like Access Hollywood or Doctor Drew.

550
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 5: Like I was like out there like talking about teen

551
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 5: suicides and cyber bullying because if you remember, this was

552
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 5: like Twitter was huge then still, but like this was

553
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 5: like the forefront of like when Anderson, Cooper and Ellen

554
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,360
Speaker 5: like everyone was talking about cyber bullying and teen suicides

555
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 5: and I was like, this is crazy that I'm like

556
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,959
Speaker 5: playing this role at this time in the world, like

557
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 5: this might not ever happen again. So yeah, it was huge,

558
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 5: And the biggest reward of that was I remember were

559
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 5: like at the end, it was like the Trevor Project.

560
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 4: Kind of flash.

561
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 5: Their hotline at the end of the episode was like,

562
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 5: you know, if you need to help and you're dealing

563
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 5: with stuff, and then I think that I don't know,

564
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 5: the stats are out there somewhere, but it was like

565
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 5: the calls went up like through the roof, Like it

566
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 5: was the highest percentage of people that ever reached out to.

567
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 4: The hotline for help, like minutes after that episode.

568
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 5: And so again, to like to be a part of

569
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 5: that was just like, uh, you know, incredibly rewarding and

570
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 5: uh you.

571
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, how lovely it was. I mean, you never

572
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 2: been kissed in that episode. You had Brad Peeker at

573
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:38,479
Speaker 2: the helm both times, just like the most thoughtful generous person.

574
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 2: Was that helpful because he was there for because he

575
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 2: was there for like the advent of Krofsky's real journey,

576
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,719
Speaker 2: having him sort of be a through line because like

577
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 2: the Dante's and Ryan's were you know, doing other things, Beeker,

578
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: you know, was there and because he was editing the

579
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: show the whole time, really knew every all the characters,

580
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 2: so so well, like, did you find that as an

581
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 2: actor helpful to have him be able to connect those

582
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: thoughts for you?

583
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 4: Incredibly?

584
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 5: I absolutely love working with him and I told him.

585
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 5: I told him that too, because I never been kissed.

586
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 5: I found I found it was. I think it was

587
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 5: the first time I'd ever worked with like a director

588
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 5: who was an editor really.

589
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 2: And that was his first episode for US. Oh I'm directing.

590
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I never would have known.

591
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 5: It's incredible and we were definitely bonded in that episode.

592
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 5: And what I loved about it was like, I don't know,

593
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 5: there must have been like twenty something takes for like

594
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 5: like the locker room scene, you know, they all the

595
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 5: different coverage, but like it was so fun because he

596
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 5: would like come out like I came in from like

597
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 5: one door and Chris came in from like another door.

598
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 4: And I remember Brad would go back and forth in.

599
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 5: Between the takes and he would like kind of whisper

600
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 5: something to Chris to change up his performance in a

601
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 5: certain way, bring something, hear something new. Then he would

602
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 5: come to me and he was like what if what

603
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 5: if I you know, you go you go to Chris

604
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 5: and like you know, you do this and that kind

605
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 5: of thing. And I was like, okay, great, And it

606
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,479
Speaker 5: was just his freedom to like let's just try that

607
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 5: because like we'll have twenty more takes, like let's just

608
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 5: like throw everything out there. And it was like such

609
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 5: an amazing like like good, like everything I was thinking about,

610
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 5: everything he was thinking about, Like let's just throw it

611
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 5: all out there and like keep it fresh and keep

612
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 5: it new and kind of like surprise for you know,

613
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 5: slam the locker this time, like punch this, you know,

614
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:18,959
Speaker 5: come out.

615
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 4: It was like try the second kiss. It was like,

616
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 4: let's just.

617
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 5: Try everything that I'm feeling and like not hold back

618
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 5: or worry about getting it like right as far as

619
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 5: like correct, but like right like just from the heart.

620
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 5: So that was like amazing and I was like, God,

621
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 5: I always want to work with Brad again. And uh

622
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 5: it was yeah, incredible the way it came out. And

623
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 5: then the same thing you know with the suicide episode,

624
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 5: there was just on my way. There was just that

625
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 5: trust already like built in, and it was just kind

626
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 5: of like look like you know, I don't know how

627
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 5: many tears you can get out of me, but like

628
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 5: I'm just like let's just just like you know, like

629
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 5: when I open this laptop and like I see like

630
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 5: the comments like let's just like you know, stay on

631
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 5: me first, like give me this chance, like do that

632
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 5: do this? Like okay, cool coming to get you know

633
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 5: this angle and like you know this and that it

634
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,479
Speaker 5: was like it was just really great working with him

635
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 5: and just you know, like understanding the vibe like that

636
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 5: last time you're getting dressed, like like am I really

637
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 5: going to do this?

638
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 4: The fear the release.

639
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 5: I remember how like carefully he treated that whole, like

640
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 5: where I walked through the locker room and see uh

641
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 5: fag written on the locker and just like you know,

642
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 5: he was like it's gonna be like in slow motion,

643
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 5: like I just want to see like you know, like

644
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 5: your life kind of like leave your body. And again

645
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 5: the way he like shot and like pushed in then

646
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 5: like q cough syrup.

647
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my gosh, like it's pretty powerful.

648
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 5: I'm like I'm like the guy, but I'm like I

649
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 5: was like getting emotional watching it, and I was like shit,

650
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 5: like he did a really good job. And then me

651
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 5: and Brad like together we got we got invited to

652
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 5: like go to Sacramento for a couple of years and

653
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 5: like be a part of this great program called Directing

654
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 5: Change because of that episode, and it was all it

655
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 5: was like all these high school students were making short

656
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 5: films about mental health awareness and like you know, stigmas

657
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 5: and suicide prevention, and me and Brad were there to

658
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 5: like spe I represent, you know, and like be either

659
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 5: speak to the kids and judge the videos. Like again,

660
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 5: it kind of became this like all right, like now

661
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 5: we're we're out there in the real world.

662
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 4: Like talking about these issues from the storyline.

663
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 5: So it really did take on you know, like a

664
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 5: pretty serious part of my life, like understand what I

665
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,479
Speaker 5: was talking about and talking to real kids going through it,

666
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 5: and it was like, all right, this is more than

667
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 5: just like memorizing lines and you know, showing up so

668
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 5: again you know, awards and you know ratings, and it

669
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 5: was like such a crazy crazy time is.

670
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 2: As you know, yeah, yeah, for sure, it is crazy

671
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: to think about. You mentioned this a couple of minutes ago.

672
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 2: How when the show came out and it started to

673
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 2: do well, we became very conscious of, oh, you know,

674
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: X number of people are going to see what we're

675
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: doing right now, Like we having that I don't know

676
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 2: ability when we did the first thirteen episodes, don't have

677
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: seen anything except the pilot, but knowing that you're doing

678
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: these really serious things and then being able to like

679
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: in three weeks as it was like a three week turnaround,

680
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: did you in those three weeks sort of thing. Did

681
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: you ever get scared or nervous? Especially with every time

682
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: you were on screen you had some really heavy shit

683
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: like you weren't you weren't there, We were clowns a

684
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: lot of the time. You you were really handling tough

685
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: issues and so like for us, like I'm excited for

686
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 2: my parents to see this musical number we're doing. This

687
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: is fun, you know, like I get out of my

688
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: chair to dance. You are acting through some really tough things.

689
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: Was did you ever have you know, I got scared

690
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: for people to see some things like that flux of

691
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: feelings of is this gonna work? Did we do this correctly?

692
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: Because you're you're talking about suicide, You're talking about a

693
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: bully kissing the person he's bullying. Yeah, what was going

694
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: through your head? Because knowing that like fifteen million people

695
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: were going to see this in three weeks as you

696
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: were shooting it.

697
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 5: Excitement like there was there was, There was no fear,

698
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 5: And it was actually interesting because I mean, you know,

699
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 5: I moved out here in LA when I was eighteen,

700
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 5: right after high school and kind of like didn't do

701
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 5: the college thing, and it's like a risky thing.

702
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 4: I was like, well, I'm doing like senior recital, like singing, and.

703
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 5: It's like everyone's like I'm going to you know, Brown

704
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 5: and Carnegie, Mellon and Emerson, and I'm like, I'm just

705
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 5: gonna go to La and see what happened.

706
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 4: Like I don't know. Don't laugh at me, you know.

707
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 5: But as I got better make it, it was like there

708
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 5: was no plan B. So yeah, to be on like

709
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 5: a dream show with a dream creator, knowing people are

710
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 5: watching it, and all my high school friends were watching it,

711
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 5: and like you know, all the texts and calls every week,

712
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 5: and like it.

713
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 4: Just felt incredible.

714
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 5: I had like a big, a big support base from

715
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 5: family and friends and actually I don't even know if

716
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 5: you guys even knew.

717
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 4: It was so crazy. There was there was jen you know.

718
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 5: My wife had gone to like study theater in London

719
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 5: with this guy Jeremy o'keef who ended up being a

720
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 5: casting director who I like overheard while I was working

721
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 5: at a restaurant talking about how he also like bartends

722
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 5: at a bar called Silver Spoon, which is like on

723
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 5: Santa Monica Boulevard, and like they had this back room

724
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 5: that they would have glee nights and like they had

725
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 5: TVs where everyone would come. It was I think it

726
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 5: was a gay bar, and it was like, you know,

727
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 5: they'd joke Lee and have drinks and Lee straws.

728
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 4: There was the whole thing.

729
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 5: And so like I was like, you know, like I'm

730
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 5: actually on that show. Do you want some more lemonade?

731
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 5: But like I was like I am like a bunch

732
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 5: of episodes and he's like, come on buy and so

733
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 5: like I remember like it started becoming a thing.

734
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 4: Like I would go with like.

735
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 5: Twenty friends and we'd all like watch the episode and like,

736
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 5: you know, I have some drinks and like it was.

737
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 4: A it was a big deal. It was really exciting.

738
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 5: And but I remember when I got Never Been Kissed

739
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 5: the script and there were people like on the you

740
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 5: know crew uh other you know, there's people there's guys

741
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 5: that were like is your dad gonna be cool with this?

742
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 5: Like what what is he going to say? You're kissing

743
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 5: a dude like on National TV?

744
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 4: Like what do you what are you gonna do? Like

745
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 4: use it like a liver protector or something.

746
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 5: I was like like no, Like I didn't even like

747
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 5: think about that until I was like asked confronted with that,

748
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 5: because I was like no, like what like I'm an actor,

749
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 5: and like you kiss like as a kiss and like

750
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 5: lips or lips, and like the storyline is the storyline?

751
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 4: Like I don't, I don't. I didn't really think about

752
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 4: like that element of it.

753
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 5: I just thought about like the character of you know,

754
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 5: like what's coming like that, you know, the instinct of

755
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 5: like why he's been doing what he's been doing for

756
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 5: a year and like this release and.

757
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 4: Honestly kind of reminded me a little bit Huh you.

758
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: Took it so seriously like you care? I did, Yeah,

759
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: but you're right.

760
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 4: So it almost felt like I was shooting a different show.

761
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 5: It was like it was like a very It was

762
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 5: like a different tone, and I was like, this is

763
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 5: crazy that they're putting this in this episode.

764
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 3: But like we always say, it's like the hurt and

765
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 3: the bird and like the heavy like and the heart

766
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: of the show and then you've got like the clowns.

767
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 4: That was work. It was beautiful.

768
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 5: It was like through through the circus of that was

769
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 5: like you have like that little dose of like hey,

770
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 5: let me like found you in the heart with this.

771
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 4: You know, it worked, but it really.

772
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 5: It reminded me like of you know that American beauty

773
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 5: scene where like Chris Cooper kind of goes and like

774
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 5: kisses Kevin Spacey in the garage and I remember that scene.

775
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 4: You know, rattles me still, and I was like that

776
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 4: was powerful.

777
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 5: So was like, okay, we can come, you know, anywhere

778
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 5: close to like capturing that feeling of just like the

779
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 5: release of what this guy must be feeling, like wondering

780
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 5: what it feels like to kiss a guy, you know,

781
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 5: after sixteen years, you know whatever, it is.

782
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 4: Like, let's show that release.

783
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 5: And then yeah, and then I found out you know,

784
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 5: Ryan knew people like that in high school, and I

785
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 5: think Brad Salchak has a friend named Dave Kurowski and

786
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 5: he started messaging me on Facebook.

787
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 4: So I.

788
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 5: And like not at all like the character, just like

789
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 5: you know, but anyway, yeah, it was. It was very rewarding,

790
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 5: and I was very excited to do that storyline and

791
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 5: really never had It was actually weird, was like more

792
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 5: negative before Crosskey kind of exposed as like what his

793
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 5: deal is. There's more negative, like comments on the street

794
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 5: like you know, I leave Kurtlotop, you know, and then

795
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 5: it was it became like thank you, Like, oh my gosh,

796
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 5: I agree, like thank you.

797
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 4: I feel seeing it or whatever, and I was like, whoa,

798
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 4: this is like, this is a different it's a very

799
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 4: crazy ride.

800
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: Speaking of a crazy ride, your storylines get even crazier.

801
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, we were doing some research because I

802
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 3: have no memory of this, but please.

803
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: We don't remember seasons season five and six.

804
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me about you and your new lover Blade.

805
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: Well, someone tweeted me a couple of weeks ago, or

806
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: they tweeted and like, this is what I knew. Glee

807
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: became off the rails and it was when Krofsky and

808
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,959
Speaker 2: Blaine started dating. And I retweeted it and said, this

809
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: happened because I have no no offense to you or anybody.

810
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: I don't even know what happened with me. I don't

811
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: know anything.

812
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 4: I don't even know.

813
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: I don't know where we were at that time, No,

814
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: I don't.

815
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it was a long time time.

816
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 4: Along for the ride.

817
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a long time ago. It was a

818
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 5: long time in it was. It was we were in

819
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 5: this this cyclone blur, you know, it was.

820
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 4: It was wild.

821
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, how do you tell us about that experience?

822
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 2: What happened?

823
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 4: I mean again a blur?

824
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 5: At that point, I was like, all right, I've done,

825
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 5: you know, I've done what I'm gonna do, like the

826
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 5: serious stuff for this character that's gonna make an impact.

827
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 4: Like has has stopped.

828
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 5: Then the show has changed, the world's changed, We've all

829
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 5: gone through some things. But again, just like happy to

830
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 5: be along for the ride, happy to be a part

831
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 5: of the show, happy to keep seeing you guys and

832
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 5: putting on the jacket, happy to you know, have an

833
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 5: income and be working, and really just it was fun

834
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 5: at that point.

835
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 4: It was kind of like you know, there was there

836
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 4: was so.

837
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 5: Much pressure on those earlier episodes where I was like

838
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 5: sitting in my like you guys would like be having

839
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 5: like fun and like you know, the base camp and

840
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 5: I was like.

841
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 4: In my trailer like doing like breathing exercises. Just I

842
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 4: was back.

843
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 5: I had one shot to like nail this and like,

844
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 5: you know, represent hundreds of thousands of.

845
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: Peopce assholes are singing Lady Gaga and I.

846
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 4: Wish I was through Lady Gaga.

847
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 5: But no, there's like a freedom in that of like

848
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 5: you know, you all have like each other and having fun.

849
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 5: And I was like I like, shoot, like it's this

850
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 5: is like on me, and like I better nail it

851
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 5: or like I'm not asked back. So there was a

852
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 5: very big like pressure until season six and I was

853
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 5: like all right, cool, Like I'm walking in there's a

854
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 5: bear cub. There's like Jane Lynch telling me me and

855
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 5: Darren are related with a family tree at a restaurant,

856
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 5: like I don't know, but like love Darren, Like Darren

857
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 5: and I hit it off at that first episode, never

858
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 5: been kissed, we like bonded, and you know we're we're

859
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 5: still close, and so like I was like this is insane,

860
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 5: but like, hey, I get to work with you. I

861
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 5: get to work with my buddies and work with you

862
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 5: and Chris and and you know, cool directors and have

863
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 5: a good time.

864
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 4: And it was fun just to be a part.

865
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 5: Of it without the weight of you know, like the

866
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 5: pressure of what it was at that point. And also

867
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 5: though really, you know, I think a nice happy ending

868
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 5: that like it didn't result into his side and like

869
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 5: he is okay to be out in the world and

870
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 5: be happy and date and go do line dancing at

871
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 5: gay bars and uh, you know, be out there and

872
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 5: and kind of like gives give people hope, like there

873
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 5: is you know, there is a life, and there is

874
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 5: a world that like will accept you and there are

875
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 5: you know, people will understand you and kind of feel

876
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 5: free to reach out to people and try new things.

877
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 5: And so I was appreciative of that and that like

878
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 5: it didn't end in a tragic way.

879
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 4: But yeah, so I just I just had fun. But yeah,

880
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 4: it was. It was a weird. It was a weird thing.

881
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 4: I me and Blaine dated. Uh.

882
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: I tried to date of Datum too, so don't worry.

883
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tina tried to date Blaine too, So it's fine.

884
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 4: We all tried.

885
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: We all tried.

886
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, yeah try why not, you know, but it

887
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 4: was it was a good time.

888
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: Before we wrap this up, Max, I'm curious. We ask everybody,

889
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: like what is the feeling that leaves you.

890
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 5: With honestly, like longing it's kind of sad, but I

891
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 5: do I think it was a great It was a

892
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 5: great time in in my life. Like it was like

893
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 5: a you know, a huge hit show and all the

894
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 5: perks that come with all the all the you know,

895
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 5: all the stuff, the award shows and the restaurants and

896
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 5: the fun, you know, the life that comes with it

897
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 5: and like being seen, you know for your work and uh,

898
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 5: and yeah, I don't know, you know, who knows if

899
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 5: something like that, Well it was like lightning in a bottle,

900
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 5: so who knows if or when it will come again.

901
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 5: And also you know, Jenna, you know, you know, I'm parent,

902
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 5: you know, everything's different now, like you know, marriage and kids,

903
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 5: and it's like that, I can't believe, like that happened

904
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 5: when we were like in our twenties and like footloose

905
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 5: and fancy free, like you know what a time like

906
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 5: that again, Like it's it won't really be the same,

907
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 5: Like that was very cool, and you know with all

908
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 5: those people like the same age like going through it.

909
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 5: So yeah, like I I miss it, and I really

910
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 5: do look upon those times very fondly because I don't

911
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 5: think I was like in the trenches or the drama

912
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 5: as much as you know, you guys obviously were, so.

913
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 4: Uh, it's kind of all all good for me and

914
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 4: I I I miss it.

915
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Well, we we're grateful to have you.

916
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: We've been watching the show again obviously with this podcast

917
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 3: and like as a viewer versus like you know, an

918
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 3: actor in the show, and it's just really it's really

919
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 3: different and profound and a beautiful, like more positive lightweight

920
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 3: and we get to see the work that you put

921
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 3: in and then talk to you about how serious you

922
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: really did take your role and as an actor, and

923
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 3: you're you know, just approached Krofski and and it really

924
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 3: paid off. And so we're really grateful for you and

925
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: your time on the show and what you shared with

926
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 3: everybody and then coming on and hanging out.

927
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: With this again and just your friendship.

928
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 4: So thanks Max, Well, thank you, feelings mutual. Thank you

929
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 4: for everything you guys did on the show.

930
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 7: Pretty cool, you know, thank you very very thanks for

931
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 7: having congrat podcast, and thank you.

932
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: Out of the family.

933
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: Thanks. I'm sure we're gonna have to voice you. I'm

934
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:04,959
Speaker 2: sure a lot more as.

935
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: We do y question memories and things, and we'll voice you.

936
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 4: Bring I'll I'll be standing by.

937
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: Awesome, Thanks so much. Is so good to see you.

938
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 4: So good to see you. Thanks guys, take care Bye.

939
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: Did you know David Truma quit TV right before he

940
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: got Friends.

941
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 3: He quit and went back to Chicago to do theater,

942
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: and Marta Coffman and all the creators friends were like,

943
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 3: but we wrote this with you and Mi with Ross,

944
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 3: so you have to come back and do it. And

945
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: he is like, and they're like, he had a bad

946
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 3: experience on another TV show. I can't remember which one

947
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 3: it was. And he's like, never again, I'm not doing

948
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 3: TV ever again and the like we promised it will

949
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 3: be different.

950
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: Just come back and he's like, all right, well, if

951
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: you're write for me, I'll come back. There's there's friends.

952
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: Well see what happens when you're good like Max is

953
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: just good. Yeah, Like we had no idea he had

954
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 2: all that like formal that's right. Training.

955
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 3: Well, thanks Max coming on and thanks for listening with us,

956
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 3: and hope your.

957
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: Sweet man keep it up. Sweet, you're so talented.

958
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: Can't wait to see you on the next.

959
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: You know, we need to get into that. We have

960
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: to have him back. We have so many more questions

961
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: for everyone.

962
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll have him for the next big Crafts gift.

963
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: So great, that's what you really missed.

964
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: See ya. Thanks for listening and follow us on Instagram

965
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 2: at and that's what you really miss pod. Make sure

966
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: to write us a review and leave us five stars.

967
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 2: See you next time.