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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Drive.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dale Ali. He is the Matt Williamson and Matt

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Speaker 2: there's some interesting articles here that looking at me. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna do a little fantasy football focus here. Yes Thursday,

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Speaker 2: so I saw an FT and Fantasy They made mention of, well,

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Speaker 2: there's a couple couple different stories here.

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Speaker 1: The first one on FT and fantasy stuff out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I told you. Aaron Schotz was on my podcast. Had

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Speaker 1: a really good conversation with him for half an hour.

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Speaker 2: What do you say about the Steelers ranking?

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Speaker 1: I kind of avoided it. We do like three rookie class, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we were talking more about the matchups and how

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Speaker 1: strong the Ravens and Niners are in dvo A history,

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Speaker 1: and we kind of mentioned, you know, the top couple

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Speaker 1: of rookie classes. I'm like, I think you sold Steelers

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Speaker 1: a little short and he's like maybe, and we just

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Speaker 1: kind of brushed it off, but I didn't dig deep

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Speaker 1: into it, but we did good talk. He's a good dude.

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Speaker 2: So they have an article here what changed in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three And we've talked a little bit about this

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Speaker 2: tight ends. It's no longer lonely at the top there's

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Speaker 2: more than one tight end now, yeah, worth having that's.

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Speaker 1: Changing drastically, and.

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Speaker 2: That would be one thing that if I'm the Steeler,

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Speaker 2: if I'm Mike Tomlin, and he talked to Dave's like,

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Speaker 2: I want I want a new offensive coordinator who's going

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Speaker 2: to take advantage of all of our offensive weapons. Pat

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Speaker 2: Froermouth to me, is one that they live untapped.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean he's had We saw that he

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Speaker 1: can have big games still and I do think there

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Speaker 1: were some injuries this year, but there was plenty times

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Speaker 1: where he just didn't get utilized enough. And I kind

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Speaker 1: of look at them as the horsey on the chess board,

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Speaker 1: you know, like they're just a little weird. They're a

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Speaker 1: little different, but you match up it. But if you

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Speaker 1: know how to use them, man, they're dangerous suckers. And

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Speaker 1: in the fantasy world, not to digress too much, but

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Speaker 1: I remember some of my ESPN responsibilities were I went

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Speaker 1: to the Fantasy Summit every year and there are eleven

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Speaker 1: of us that had to vote, and so basically we're

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Speaker 1: there for like a week and whenever you guys would

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Speaker 1: go on your you know, anyone use the ESPN uh

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Speaker 1: fantasy software and you see the tight end ranks US

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Speaker 1: eleven built that. Yeah, and so we all kind of

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Speaker 1: argue for our point. And I remember it's a old

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Speaker 1: I am. I mean Eric Ebron's rookie year. He was

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Speaker 1: a super high pick and huge discussion. This guy is

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Speaker 1: a super talent. He's going to a great spot. But

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Speaker 1: rookie rookie tight ends never produced. That's the rule. That's

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Speaker 1: the rule, and it kind of has been. But lately

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Speaker 1: it's switching, like I don't think that's a rule anymore.

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Speaker 1: And look at Laporta, Kincaid, even Pitts his rookie year.

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Speaker 1: I mean it over a thousand yards touchdowns, but like

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Speaker 1: they're coming in the league and doing more now too.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you think about with Friarmouth, even his first

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Speaker 2: two seasons he had sixty plus catches. He was only

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Speaker 2: the second tight end in league history. Wow, to have

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Speaker 2: sixty plus catches in each of his first two seasons.

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Speaker 2: That's going to change next year.

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Speaker 1: Ye get back to that group.

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Speaker 2: Is that group is going. I'm just saying overall in

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Speaker 2: the league, that group is going. It's not going to

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Speaker 2: be just Pat far.

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Speaker 1: And Keith Jackson was the other one. Jackson rumbling stumbling

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Speaker 1: bubble or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Right, it was a tremendous you know, Laporta Muskray. These

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Speaker 2: guys are going to right now some you know, I

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Speaker 2: think Kinkaid and Laporter were the only two rookies that

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Speaker 2: got over sixty probably, but they're both probably going to

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Speaker 2: get over sixty again next year unless they get hurt.

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Speaker 1: But like McBride didn't do anything as a rookie, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but then blew up in his second year, and I

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Speaker 1: bet he think goes over sixty next year, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. So, like, there are a lot more

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Speaker 1: tight ends, even if Kelsey and Waller and some of

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Speaker 1: these guys are fading off quickly, but more coming to

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Speaker 1: the league and more. I think it's some of a

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Speaker 1: sort of a coordinator thing. More are contributing early.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, now it is more of the pass

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Speaker 2: catching tight ends. You're not going to ask those guys

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Speaker 2: to be blockers necessarily. No, they're big guys, but they're

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Speaker 2: not blockers. They're coming in it from college programs. The

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Speaker 2: college programs are playing a spread offense. Yeah, they're being

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Speaker 2: used as chess pieces at the college level in a

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Speaker 2: big way to catch passes.

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Speaker 1: The best example is going to be rock power. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my he go fifth overall, mighty, go twelve,

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Speaker 1: but he's gonna go in the first half of round one,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna have this discussion, Well rookie tight ends

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Speaker 1: z and blah blah blah. Yeah, because he's also not

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Speaker 1: with all, he's not Mark Bruner. You have to look

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Speaker 1: at him as a receiver. Yeah, yeah, I mean we

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Speaker 1: talked about this a fair amount last week because the

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Speaker 1: Bills are a great example. How often do we talk

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Speaker 1: about eleven personnel twelve personnel. Teams want eleven and a

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Speaker 1: half personnel, you know, they want Kinkaid and Knox to

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Speaker 1: be out there, but Kincaid can do receiver stuff. So

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Speaker 1: we don't really have an answer for eleven and a

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Speaker 1: half personnel as a defense, right, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Well, just think about the success had a lot to

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Speaker 2: do with this, the success the Steelers had this year

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Speaker 2: at times with the thirteen package that they played there. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: What's the answer. Yeah, what's the answer for that?

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Speaker 2: Because you've got and they've Yeah, I mean, you always

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Speaker 2: bring up the basketball analogy with you when you're when

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Speaker 2: you're building your wide receiver room, your receiver room. These

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Speaker 2: these tight ends, you've got power forward. That's basically what

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Speaker 2: they are, right in that group or the center.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the Steelers three don't look anything alive.

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Speaker 2: Nothing alike, Like if the room, you wouldn't know they

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Speaker 2: were all.

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Speaker 1: The same species, right, one's a fullback. One looks like

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Speaker 1: a big d lineman, you know, right, Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and they do things differently. So you're crazy if you're

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Speaker 1: a defense if you count Hayward and Washington as the

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Speaker 1: same player, right, They're just not. And another thing is,

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Speaker 1: and the Steelers have experiences good and bad. There's such

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Speaker 1: a shortage of second level defenders that you can just

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Speaker 1: leave at the Fred Warners and Rokwond you just leave

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Speaker 1: out there. So who do you exploit those guys with,

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Speaker 1: you know, right, right right? Or you try to get

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Speaker 1: as many of them on the fields. You probably want

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Speaker 2: Those mediocre inside linebackers on the field as opposed to

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Speaker 2: the defensive backs who are much better, They're much more skilled.

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Speaker 1: It was actually one of the things the Bills did

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Speaker 1: really well against the Steelers was everyone knows, especially with

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Speaker 1: a lot better than it did. Maybe this back Kz's back.

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Speaker 1: So what the Bills do, This is good coaching. They

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Speaker 1: put a sixth offensive lineman on the field for a

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Speaker 1: and therefore you're gonna get Walker or a compromised Roberts

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Speaker 1: and try to get them matched up on Kinkaid. That's

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Speaker 1: today's football. I mean, that's what the Steelers should try

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Speaker 1: to do with Muth. Yeah, and they have done some

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Speaker 2: I think that's going to be a huge part. You know,

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Speaker 2: everybody wants to focus on the quarterback here. I think

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Speaker 2: you need to bring the best out of Pat Firemouth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And he's actually getting a point too where it

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Speaker 1: might be extension time for him soon. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he just finished year three and so he'll

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Speaker 2: have one year left.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not worried about him at all, by

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Speaker 1: the way, No, I'm not either.

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Speaker 2: In fact, you know, when he was asked about if

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Speaker 2: any of the young players stepped up in a way

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Speaker 2: that he hadn't expected in terms of leadership, he said, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we've had, we had some guys that, you know, you

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Speaker 2: didn't necessarily expect that to happen, and they did. And

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Speaker 2: he said, well, can you name any people you know

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Speaker 2: who are you talking about there? And one guy that

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Speaker 2: he mentioned was Pat Firemoth.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean he seems quiet. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: know him. I mean, but that's great to hear. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, like Nause steps up and says his piece.

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Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of good things about Roderick Jones

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Speaker 1: in that capacity too, So maybe they are some of

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Speaker 1: these young dudes. Yeah, the next generation of leaders is

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Speaker 1: starting to sprout. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so I think the tight end position. And

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Speaker 2: I tie that into this because I saw this article

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Speaker 2: on CBS Sports dot Com and it's it's really right,

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Speaker 2: all eight division round teams, the final eight teams have

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Speaker 2: this one thing in common, and that one thing that

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Speaker 2: they have in common is very good tight end play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're dangerous tight ends. Yeah, and I agree. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think there's an art to using those guys properly.

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Speaker 1: There's certainly a bigger need for them. There's an influx

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Speaker 1: some wide receivers just start to blow up and turn

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Speaker 1: into a tight end. And it used to be like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you don't block anybody, we don't care. You're playing

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Speaker 1: in the Big twelve anyways, and you just run space anyways,

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Speaker 1: preferably against linebackers and safeties. But if we go through

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Speaker 1: the teams, it's kind of a who's who with the

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Speaker 1: really is. Campa's the only one that's so so, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they may not be in this thing much longer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that to me is the big Like again,

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Speaker 2: I Tampa was the one team that I wanted to

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Speaker 2: get one of those teams that I wanted to go

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Speaker 2: against in the first round of the playoffs, and I

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Speaker 2: couldn't because they were playing Philadelphia, which is one the

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Speaker 2: team that I wanted to go against.

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Speaker 1: The most in the playoffs. And it's been a great

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Speaker 1: year for Tampa. They've out kicked their coverage, but they

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Speaker 1: played a broken Eagles team and I think they're in

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Speaker 1: for a long day this upcoming. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: a very long day.

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Speaker 2: But you know, you look at the rest of them,

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Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, they get I mean, I know, you're

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Speaker 1: But he's a quality player, quality player. Yeah, and even

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Speaker 1: Brevin Jordan there's not a bad player too. He's a

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Speaker 1: dangerous move guy, just as as kind of their Connor

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Speaker 1: Hayward type. So I mean, let's think of him. Aten's

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Speaker 1: the one I don't think is tremendous, but they're very

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Speaker 1: happy with the talent. Yeah or yeah, Kittle Kiddle might

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I mean, Kittle's a dangerous player

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Speaker 1: that if he wasn't playing with you know, great receivers

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Speaker 1: all over the place, he might be an eighty catch

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Speaker 1: a year type of guy routinely. And I don't even

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Speaker 2: He's the only he's the only tight end in the

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Speaker 2: league this year to get there a thousand yards?

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Speaker 1: Was he really tremendous after the catch? No, I don't

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Speaker 1: think Laporta did get it. I don't know, but he's

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Speaker 1: still in it. Laport is still in it. The young

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Speaker 1: pair in Green Bay. People might not realize, but they've

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this year's awesome tight end draft. Yeah, and awesome

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Speaker 2: you know, classic Kelsey, you know when he's in his prime,

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Speaker 2: one hundred catches and thirteen hundred yards. But if you

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean eight years out of ten, Laporta

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, I'd much you know, rather pivoted to one

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Speaker 1: Just kind of now you can do that, Now you

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Speaker 1: I think catches too. By a bunch by a bunch, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean you wouldn't mind have him on fantasy this year?

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Speaker 1: But trying to think who's something, I mean, Dallas Goddard

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Speaker 2: Now you mentioned, you know the kid in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: There's both mcbrides. Yeah. McBride's used to be a really

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Speaker 2: I mean it's you know, tight end used to just

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Speaker 1: Spot that you just hope he catches a touchdown. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'll take you know, three for forty and a touchdown

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Speaker 1: No either going all in on a Kelsey who might

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Speaker 1: all around. Some of them run obscenely low for you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So they taught the ten tight ends. They they

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Speaker 2: the eight playoff teams they're still alive. Their average tight

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that's pretty good. I mean, that's a valuable contributor.

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Speaker 1: That's what Friarmuth should have. That's what I was gonna say. Like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he ended up with right the most catches.

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Speaker 1: But that needs to be Friarmuth or an early pick

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm with you. I think that's something that

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, how can we turn him into a guy?

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Speaker 2: The second question is how do you bring more out

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Speaker 1: Hm. No, we had an untapped resource here and that

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, if George Pickens is George Pickens, Deontay Johnson,

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Speaker 1: But we need to we need to.

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Speaker 2: Diversify a little bit across the board.

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Speaker 1: No question, no question, and Friar moves very capable of

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Speaker 1: the thing. You got you you don't have to go

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Speaker 2: Well, let's get to another break because I want this

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Speaker 2: next segment to be a little lengthy here. So he

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Speaker 2: is Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lollie. That's going to

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Speaker 2: do it for the Fantasy Football Focus. Uh, tomorrow we

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Speaker 2: will pick our DFS lineups for the weekend.

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Speaker 1: All right, we get, we love it. Yeah, we get.

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Speaker 2: We can do a Saturday and the Sunday schedule where

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Speaker 2: it could just do one big I don't know what.

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Speaker 1: We'll figure figure a big beefy one huh. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, But we're gonna get to a break now. We'll

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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dale Ali, he is the Matt Williamson and Matt,

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Speaker 2: what do I wanted to do here in this segment

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Speaker 2: is kind of go position by position and then get

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Speaker 2: your grade for the season on said positions.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's just quarterback, right and we're not talking

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Speaker 2: Okay, so well, you mentioned it's let's start at quarterback.

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Speaker 2: You went ten and seven with this group, but you

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Speaker 2: played Kenny Pickett, you played mitchter Bisky started two games,

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Speaker 2: Mason Rudolph started three four if you count the playoff game,

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Speaker 2: and they produced thirty four and twenty one yards, thirteen touchdowns,

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Speaker 2: nine interceptions.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna do my best to do these in

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Speaker 1: you have to give it a C minus. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there were some good things. I'm going to put a

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Speaker 1: lot of value into valuing the football. I am too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that comes into play here quite

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Speaker 2: One that you won the interception battle against other teams, yeah, sixteen.

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Speaker 1: To nine, and you won a lot of those games,

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Speaker 1: And Rudolph's play at the end of the year was very,

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Speaker 1: very good. But a number you said there is hard

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Speaker 2: So the Steelers quarterbacks this season, the Steelers passers finished

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Speaker 1: Oh how about that?

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Speaker 2: There you go, And they threw sixteen interceptions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and more touchdowns more touchdowns. It was

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Speaker 1: only twenty three. It's not on that you know, ageous number. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but if that could get to a B minus, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's probably two more wins if patrids just in general.

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Speaker 1: Right right. I mean I don't think twenty is too

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think any offense averaging one per game

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Speaker 1: Less is not not going to get it done, right

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Speaker 1: It would be nice to get to one point per game,

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's move on to the running back position.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go B plus. Okay. I mean I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's all that far off as a room. No.

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Speaker 2: I think I think when you look at the duo,

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Speaker 1: I don't know it's clearly. I mean, Games is really dynamic.

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Speaker 1: But I mean McCaffrey at anyone. You know that type

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Speaker 2: I mean, you got eighteen hundred rushing yards and twelve

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good running back. Yeah. You get a lot

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Speaker 1: So I was sniffing around today, I forget where it was,

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Speaker 2: would get more people in the box and you would

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00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,520
Speaker 2: have them more explosive passing plays.

436
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Speaker 1: But I think my hunches those passing plays came more

437
00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,600
Speaker 1: late in the year too. I mean, some of the

438
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:14,840
Speaker 1: Pickens ones when they.

439
00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,959
Speaker 2: Were getting explosive early in the season, they were explosive

440
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,000
Speaker 2: explosives like the seventy yard touchdown masses that you know,

441
00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,320
Speaker 2: they just weren't hitting those consistently enough.

442
00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. So no, I think you're very happy with the

443
00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:33,280
Speaker 1: running back room in terms of grades. How about the receivers, hmmm,

444
00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:40,639
Speaker 1: be minus. I mean, I think we can't forget that

445
00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:47,200
Speaker 1: Johnson missed some time. Yeah, Pickens highs were really high.

446
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,280
Speaker 1: I'm not even saying his lows are low, but he

447
00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:51,520
Speaker 1: had some stinker games.

448
00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,320
Speaker 2: That's just I think that's the kind of receiver that

449
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:54,760
Speaker 2: he is.

450
00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,919
Speaker 1: I think the next step is not having more be

451
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,840
Speaker 1: more consistent. You have a stinker game, be fifty yards

452
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,760
Speaker 1: four catchys, you know, not.

453
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 2: Then then you know, you know he was upset that

454
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,560
Speaker 2: he didn't make the Pro Bowl. That's how you make

455
00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:07,200
Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl.

456
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, in this.

457
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,240
Speaker 2: League, as you be, you know, you're consistent game in

458
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:11,240
Speaker 2: and game out.

459
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 1: And Alan Robinson is a contributor. He's a tough grade

460
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 1: for me because I don't care what you invested in him,

461
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,320
Speaker 1: but I want a better third receiver than him. But

462
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 1: his blocking was important for the way they played the game.

463
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 1: I mean, so it's not like he didn't have value,

464
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,760
Speaker 1: but I really want to upgrade there in the offseason,

465
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,120
Speaker 1: hopefully with one of these rookies coming out.

466
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that makes you awfully young in that room.

467
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,520
Speaker 1: Again, I know I have part of my concerns too, Right,

468
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 1: you'd love to have the Hayward Bay.

469
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you'd love to have that guy. And

470
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 2: that's kind of what Robinson was for this group.

471
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Speaker 1: I think that's why he's brought in. Yeah. At the

472
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 1: same time, you know, it's.

473
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Speaker 2: It's it's difficult to have George Pickens and you know,

474
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Speaker 2: another rookie and Deontay Johnson. Is you know he's getting

475
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,199
Speaker 2: up Yeah, twenty I think he's twenty seven. Yeah, you know,

476
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what the true answer

477
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 2: is there. I mean, I like the talent that those

478
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 2: guys have in that room.

479
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but more consistency would be good.

480
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: What consistency would be good? And you could do without

481
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 2: some of the attitude at times.

482
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt I would have liked a little more

483
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 1: out of Austin. I mean, if you if you've again

484
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 1: going back to our camp shows, if you told me

485
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 1: his final stat line, I'd be like, I bet it's

486
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,440
Speaker 1: better than that. If if that was the over under nine,

487
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 1: I would have went over and I'd have been wrong.

488
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 1: Some of that's on the quarterbacks one, no doubt, no

489
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 1: doubt they have a massive ripple effect on all these positions.

490
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about the tight end positions since we were

491
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 2: just talking about that in the previous segment.

492
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 1: I'm really high on Washington still and expect him to

493
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 1: have a nice jump in year two.

494
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Speaker 2: But Matt Pro Football Reference Pro Football Focus said he

495
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: graded out as like the sixty second Oh yeah, I

496
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 2: didn't even see that is a pass blocker. They didn't

497
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,959
Speaker 2: mention his run blocking. Okay, they only mentioned the pass blocking.

498
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, okay, fine, I'm still going to give that

499
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: room a low grade. Though. I think this back to

500
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 1: our conversation of I must heart friar Mouth played bad,

501
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: but you can get enough out of the room, So

502
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give him a c. Yeah.

503
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 2: He got thirty two catches for three hundred and eight

504
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 2: yards and two touchdowns At of Firearmouth, Hayward was twenty

505
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 2: three for one sixty seven. I thought they could have

506
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: used him there a little better.

507
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: Or right. I think he can create more mismatches and Washington.

508
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 2: I know everybody screams about what they need to throw

509
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 2: the botle. Washington hit ten targets, seven catches for sixty

510
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 2: one yards.

511
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,479
Speaker 1: He's not a pass catcher. Yeah. Now, maybe he'll develop

512
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 1: a little bit more with that, right, I mean, I

513
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: think he can box out in the end zone and

514
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 1: get your key first downs and that type of thing

515
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 1: more than we saw. But all in all, I didn't

516
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: love I don't want him.

517
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 2: I don't want him having more targets than Pat Farreerman.

518
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, people. I hope people don't

519
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: look at it in that light. That's even close.

520
00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so well, let's let's talk about the offensive line.

521
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a mixed bag, A mixed bag.

522
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 2: Now, there were some injuries early in the season I

523
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 2: think kind of slowed their growth rate a little bit.

524
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 2: But I thought, you know, probably around week six or so,

525
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 2: they started really starting to kick into.

526
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 1: There's definitely some high moments. I think the guards overall

527
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,719
Speaker 1: are a really really solid pair, well well above average.

528
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: I would say it's a BB minus maybe. I mean,

529
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: there isn't a star amongst them, but there might be

530
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: sooner than later. I think they need a center. Yeah,

531
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: I do too. Yeah, I mean I think center was

532
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: a liability basically start to finish. I can live with

533
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 1: a Dan Moore, but I can't if he's your worst

534
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: guy clearly in the other four or better. Okay, you know,

535
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: but not with him and the center being a problem.

536
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 1: There were injuries, but they didn't have to dig too

537
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: far into their depth. They didn't, you know, I mean,

538
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 1: we sawt Chukes was really the only guy besides the

539
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: five that ended that played significant snaps, so they were

540
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: a little fortunate that way. He minus.

541
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would agree with that. Yeah, I mean,

542
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 2: I think there's I don't again I mean, recency bias

543
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 2: plays into that a little bit as well, But I

544
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: thought overall, I mean they protected the quarterback pretty well,

545
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: pretty well.

546
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: Ye you know, I know people look at the sack

547
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: too well.

548
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 2: Some of that was picket and picket and Trubisky drifting

549
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 2: into sacks.

550
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I mean, like if Peyton Manning

551
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: was a quarterback, I don't think we'd be talking about, boy,

552
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: all the pressures, all the sacks, you know what I mean,

553
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 1: like some of them is dropping her eyes, being young,

554
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. I mean quarterback lay has something

555
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: to do with that too, Yeah, yeah, for sure, recognizing

556
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: blitz is you know.

557
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 2: How about the uh, let's switch switch over to the defensive

558
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: side of the ball, the defensive line good.

559
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's a little bit blasphemous, and I know

560
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: he had injuries, but I expected a bigger season out

561
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: of Hayward because he was unbelievable the last couple of

562
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: years and this year he wasn't unbelievable, but the Watses

563
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: and Adams and certainly Benton were all pleasant surprises. Depth

564
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: I think was strong. You know, if I'm not sure

565
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: if louder Milker Leo will ever be anything in this league.

566
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: But if they can't even really get on the field,

567
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: I think that speaks to where you're at there. Ogan

568
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: Joby was fine. I'm gonna get that group of b Yeah.

569
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: I mean people have been hard on Ogan Joby this year. Yeah,

570
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I he finished with forty

571
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 2: three tackles, three sacks, not eye popping numbers, but he

572
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: gave you when Hayward was out way more. I mean

573
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 2: he was playing a lot more snaps.

574
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, right.

575
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,479
Speaker 2: They expected when to see you know, they wanted him

576
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 2: to be a sixty percent snap guy, fifty five sixty

577
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: percent snap guy, and he ends up playing eighty. And

578
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: there's times when Hayward was I.

579
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: Was gonna say too, it was a little less would

580
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: be more from him. Yeah, you know, like he seems

581
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: to be more effective in the first quarter of games

582
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: if you can get him some breathers. We know he's

583
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 1: had issues of practicing on Wednesdays and things like that.

584
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure he has pain and issues, but you know

585
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a question with him. Is he worth

586
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: bringing back at his current cost or you know, those

587
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: are different conversations, but anything, he was a bad player. No,

588
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: I thought he was.

589
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 2: I thought he had, you know, made some impact plays

590
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: as well.

591
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, I went to you.

592
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 2: I thought that group overall was was pretty good. It

593
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: was maybe the most consistent thing on the defense.

594
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: All year long. Yeah, I think it waste of Yeah,

595
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: so we got to give them an A. I would

596
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: say B plus on the edge guys.

597
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about the defensive line as a whole.

598
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 2: I'd say B plus, just be from from the fact

599
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: that are you.

600
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: Just talking to big fellows? Are you talking to the

601
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 1: edge guys, I'm talking to big fellaws. Okay, Yeah, I'm

602
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: gonna plus.

603
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: Because I just thought that again, I thought they were

604
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 2: kind of the glue that held things together time, especially

605
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: late in the season when when you know they needed

606
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: to stop the run.

607
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were times that was quite good to do.

608
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did very well against that, and there were

609
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 2: some times early in the year when it wasn't so good,

610
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 2: which is why I can't give him an A.

611
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't know what the numbers are, but.

612
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: When they had Hayward on the field versus not having

613
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,239
Speaker 2: Hayward on the field, there's definitely the run numbers were

614
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: much different.

615
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: They were. I was just say the sack numbers just

616
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 1: from that position group, though, I would like more. He'd

617
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: like six more, you know.

618
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: He'd like more.

619
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, the edge guys, that's an A, that's an yeah,

620
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: I mean maybe A plus. Yeah.

621
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: I mean you got more than I mean out of

622
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 2: that ego. You know, twenty six thirty thirty three sacks

623
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: out of your edge guys.

624
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the best one of the best players on

625
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: the planet. Yeah, it's one of them, right, So I

626
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: mean if you took TJ out of the equation, I'd

627
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: probably still give it a C plus or a B mind. Yeah,

628
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: you know, I mean high Smith was good this year.

629
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: Smith was really good this year. And those other guys

630
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: aren't bad players, and no big guest promise.

631
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 2: Really hard lineback the inside linebackers is where So when

632
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin was asked about the inside linebackers, uh, he

633
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 2: said he was when when before pre injury linebackers, he said,

634
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: we were making impact plays, uh, splash plays that we

635
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 2: of course hadn't seen, you know, in previous years. Yeah,

636
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: he said, but the attrition was a part of it.

637
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: You know, when you start losing guys to injury, that

638
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: that becomes a part of it. Now, some of that

639
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: you could look at, say the injury to co Hulkem

640
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: and say that's a broken leg like that. That's not

641
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: something that that's it's kind of freakish. Oh yeah, it

642
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: was a freak injury, of course. But you know for

643
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 2: a guy like Kawan Alexander, you know he has a

644
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: history and yeah, there's a history there, so.

645
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: Maybe you do want to do better than that. Maybe.

646
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 1: So it's funny you said that because I didn't know that.

647
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: That's what coach Salmon said. If I were to give

648
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: a grade when healthy and that's what we're doing here,

649
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: I would say it's a B minus that that trio

650
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: in Week eight or whatever it was when they were humming.

651
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: I can live with that. That's good. Yeah.

652
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: If two years ago was a D, probably if.

653
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: Not last year was a D. Yeah yeah, and so

654
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: but for the season, I still got to I mean,

655
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: we were talking about eighteen football games, including the playoffs.

656
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go see minus like Michael Walker's not gonna

657
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: get done. Yeah, I mean those type of dudes. No,

658
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I mean, but you know you have

659
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: what you had at that point. Oh yeah, I mean

660
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: that's just the way it went. But if we're gonna

661
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: analyze every snap of inside linebacker play for the year

662
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: and round it all into one grade, and I'm gonna

663
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: go see minus.

664
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: Now that being said, I thought a Landon Roberts was

665
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: a relation.

666
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's an important piece. Yeah.

667
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: You look at what he did. So he had one

668
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: hundred He led the team of one hundred and one tackles.

669
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: He had two and a half sacks, ten tackles for

670
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: a loss, six quarterback hits, two pass defensive. I mean

671
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: he gave you something across the board.

672
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: I think he brings an attitude to toughness that is

673
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: very much desired. And you might know. I'm sure you

674
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: know it's better than I do. But I can promise

675
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: you three or four of those final games he was

676
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: out there. He probably no business being out Yeah, he

677
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: was playing on one arm, he was playing on one leg. Yeah.

678
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, just I have a tremendous amount of respect for

679
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: that guy.

680
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's somebody you want in the building. Yeah.

681
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: And I think that attitude that he has also brings.

682
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: Oh I think goes a long way. Yeah. Yeah, he

683
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: plays plays a game the right way.

684
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, let's break up the corners in safety separately. Yeah,

685
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: so cornerbacks. I'm gonna be hard on the secondary, really hard.

686
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's two really good members of

687
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: the secondary, one of them's Porter when we're talking corners,

688
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: but I don't think Peterson or Wallace was good enough.

689
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: I don't think the slot situation was good enough. So

690
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: if you're analyzing, I'm gonna go C minus.

691
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: I mean, the Porter stuff's really good, but those other

692
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: guys are just not part of the equation for me.

693
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, I mean I would be interested in bringing

694
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: Patrick Peterson back as a depth piece at this point.

695
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: In a restructure probably though, Yeah, yeah, I mean I

696
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: think he's making a decent bock. I don't think. I

697
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: don't think it's not awful but ridiculous, right.

698
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: Levi Wallace, you got to be able to do better

699
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: than that. You get to be able to do better

700
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: than Chandon Sullivan, Right.

701
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,239
Speaker 1: You just don't have enough athleticism in the back end

702
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: right now, and Peterson's part of that problem unfortunately at

703
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: this stage. But I think he has some traits in

704
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: leadership you love. But there's only two guys.

705
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't hate it if Peterson next year is

706
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: back in the KZ role, maybe as your as your

707
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: third safety is the guy who plays the post when

708
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: Minka comes down and plays.

709
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: More so than in an olexide corner. Yeah. I'd be

710
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: more open to that idea, for sure. And I don't

711
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: want him out there as my strong safety, no, no,

712
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: but he's open to it, And I mean I think

713
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: that's a transition he could make. Didn't see enough to

714
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: say it was a success or not. And he'd get

715
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: better at it, of course.

716
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

717
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: No, But I mean Porter's an A, but the rest

718
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: of the group's D. So I'm gonna give it as Yeah,

719
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: I hear you, I hear you.

720
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: Uh, the safety position.

721
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: Similar but a little better. I don't know the KZ

722
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: is really an answer. I think he's a third or

723
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: fourth row. Was a nice find. But if we're talking

724
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: about eighteen games, he only appeared in what four of

725
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: them for the playoffs.

726
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in those four games he had, he was good,

727
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: like thirty nine tackles. Yeah, I mean he was your

728
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: leading tackler and basically every one of those games. And

729
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: he had a couple of pass defenses, he had a

730
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: forced fumble, three tackles for a loss, like he.

731
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: Was really good. He was impacts. I definitely want him

732
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: in the mix next year. Yeah, if he's up for it,

733
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: I feel they make it. Is the best safety in

734
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: the league. But if we the analyze his misstime hurts

735
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: the grade, right, I mean, no, he played in ten games,

736
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: played in ten games, right, didn't care about the takeaways.

737
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't have the takeaways three pass defenses, but

738
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: it's sixty four tackles in those ten games.

739
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: He did a lot of important stuff too.

740
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: You know, people are killing him for the for the

741
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: playoff games, and I thought he had a terrible I'm like,

742
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: what game are you watching?

743
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: And I never see like he heard that he had.

744
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 2: Two tackles for a loss on James Cook when when

745
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: Cook caught the football. I thought he was going to

746
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: have a big game, and all of a sudden, Inca

747
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: comes flying in out of nowhere and gets them on

748
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: the ground both times.

749
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give that position a CEE for the year

750
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: in eighteen grade grade, I mean eight of them are

751
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: without your best guy.

752
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean that's that's just the reality of it.

753
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: How about specialists, Well, that's what I was going to

754
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: the specialist here.

755
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: Could we break them up. I think we should. It

756
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: makes a grade a lot.

757
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: I mean, the the kicking game in terms of putting

758
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: points on the board. I thought Boswell had one of

759
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: his best seasons.

760
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: A yeah. I mean there's a many kickers I trade

761
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: him for. He's phenomenal. I mean he was making long kicks.

762
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 2: He you know, they trotted them out there for you know,

763
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: fifty nine yarders he missed.

764
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: Me he missed one extra point and two kicks one extra.

765
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: Point, yeah, and one kick that was sixty yards in

766
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: the rain.

767
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I think he missed two kicks on the year. R. Yeah.

768
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: I mean so no kicker is an A. Yes, punters

769
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: a D.

770
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: The overall special teams coverage units I thought were pretty good.

771
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: What if we just call special teams the whole thing,

772
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: I would say, I mean, including the kick blocks and

773
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: the returners. Yeah, Boz, I would say, that's a bee.

774
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: And the punning game is not good enough.

775
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: The punning game is not good enough. No, they have

776
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: to that has to be upgrade.

777
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that has to. But that's the only thing I

778
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: look at and think think of special teams as a whole.

779
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: I can't live with. Yeah, you know, going in the next.

780
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 2: And I don't even know at this point. I've seen

781
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: enough of Presley Harvin that I don't even know if

782
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: I want him to come and compete for a g Yeah.

783
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: I don't think I need that anymore next.

784
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 2: Year because and here's why we've seen this. We've we've

785
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: sat there and watched him kick the ball in training camp,

786
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: and he kicks the snot out of it when the

787
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: weather's great.

788
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: Brother's great, No one's rushing him. Yeah, it's like, yeah,

789
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: let's try that guy special. Yeah, I'd rather not be

790
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: teased by him. Yeah, let him go to New York

791
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: or LA or whatever.

792
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: Let him go to New Orleans where he can kick indoors.

793
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: He might be an all pro, he might lead the

794
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: league and punting then, right, but he struggles in weather conditions.

795
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 2: There's just no ifans or butts of Oh.

796
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely, but watching him live, folks, when you're when the

797
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: weather's nice and toasty and it's sunny, he can be It's.

798
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 2: Like watching Tiger Woods at a golf ball.

799
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: You know.

800
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: Oh that sounds different than everybody else.

801
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean you can get sucked in easily. I

802
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: with you. I hadn't thought of that angle. But I

803
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: don't want to bring the camp because I don't want

804
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: to fall for the tricks anymore. You know.

805
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you do bring him in, he's the one

806
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: that you trade. Not that anybody's probably going to do that,

807
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: but uh yeah, I need I need an upgrade there.

808
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: But you know, the return game, first of all, nobody

809
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: returns kicks anymore.

810
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: But punt was okay, they did, I mean, well, it

811
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: was above average is a return game overall?

812
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Calvin Austin ended up averaging eight point six yards

813
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 2: per punt return. He didn't break the big one, but

814
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 2: he had a thirty four yarder that was very big.

815
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: That was in the game against was it Cincinnati the

816
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: second time around?

817
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: I think so it was at home. Yeah. Yeah, and

818
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: he's dangerous and he's reliable catching the football too. Yeah,

819
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,479
Speaker 1: he didn't put it on the ground, and yeah, fine

820
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, that was fine.

821
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: In terms of the kick return, they ever judge twenty

822
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: three and a half yards per return?

823
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: You know you didn't.

824
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 2: There weren't that many, you know, when you turn twenty four,

825
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: I put.

826
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: A lot I've put a lot less weight on that

827
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: than I do any of the other things we talked about.

828
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: And I think abillity to block punts and kicks. It's huge.

829
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: There's a game changing Yeah, those are game.

830
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: Changing place the Steelers somewhat in that Bills game. Without that,

831
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: it's not even close to it. Yeah, being the same result. Yeah,

832
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: and it's happened several times this year.

833
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 2: And it's not that it's not an accident.

834
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: No.

835
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

836
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: And the Muykens and Killer Brews and those guys are

837
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: quite good at what they do. Yeah.

838
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: No, I agree. I think they they're very good. But

839
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 2: you need to upgrade the punter position. There's just no

840
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: ifans or busts about it.

841
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I know your answer. But if I said,

842
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: take the exact same special team performance from twenty twenty

843
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: three with a new punter and paste it into twenty

844
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: twenty four, you definitely.

845
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: I'm on board.

846
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: You definitely take it. I'm on board.

847
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, get me somebody who who is I don't even

848
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: care if he if he averages fifty.

849
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: Yards whatever, he doesn't give me forty.

850
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: Five yards every single time.

851
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: Kept the liability to go along with yeah, right and

852
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: be the twentieth best punter in the league or whatever. Yeah.

853
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: There were a few more penalties on special teams than

854
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: you'd like, But I don't think the numbers were seen.

855
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: I think that's a league It is a league thing.

856
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: I think that's to me, that's something because you see

857
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: them on on some things and you're like, as the

858
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: league told officials that they just don't want teams returning

859
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 2: the ball, so you just start calling penalties on them

860
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: just I think so, Yeah.

861
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: I think there are some rules are have gone that way. Yeah,

862
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: and so I've had a lot of buddies. A lot

863
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: of people are like, man, special teams are so disorganized

864
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: and like that's how they all are. I mean they

865
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: really are. I mean, yeah, they had some penalties, but

866
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: everyone does, and their special teams penalties aren't higher than

867
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: anybody else.

868
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about the you know, fortieth through fifty

869
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: third guys on your roster. Those are the guys that

870
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: are out there on special teams. Yeah, and Tjan ain't out.

871
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: There and they get shuffled like crazy. Yeah, I mean

872
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: sometimes especially with this team this year. Yeah, the linebackers

873
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: and safeties and all those dudes.

874
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: Right, I don't know, Danny's smith probably needed a que

875
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: card to get tell him who was in his room

876
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: at times.

877
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean some of those weird numbers are all

878
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: wearing to linebackers like who are you again? So I'll

879
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: give special teams to be the top to bottom led

880
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:14,479
Speaker 1: by balls of course.

881
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: In the kickblocks, yeah, I mean those are two the

882
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 2: two big areas, two big areas.

883
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: I mean, no team had a combination of those things better.

884
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine you know, you know, I know Baltimore always

885
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: finishes high on that stuff. But they didn't block kicks

886
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: like the Steelers did.

887
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: I have no idea who else did, But I can't

888
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: imagine anyone has as good a commodation of kicker and

889
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: blocked kicks and puns, Yeah, which are game changers.

890
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: They are game changers.

891
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: Get a better punter.

892
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: So that brings us to coaching.

893
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: B minus. I mean, you made an offensive coordinator change

894
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: mid season. But I think there's something to be said

895
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: for not having the wheels come off late in the

896
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: year and getting the team into the playoffs. I know

897
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: wants to hear that he was another winning season. Big deal.

898
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: It's a big deal.

899
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 2: It's a big seventeen in a row. Again, it's not

900
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: an accident.

901
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: They were ten and seven yan. Yeah, defense, I don't

902
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: think anyone's going to complain about defensive coordination or boy,

903
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: they got out coached drastically on the defensive side of

904
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: the ball. I mean, I wouldn't say it was an

905
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: eight plus on that side of the ball, rightither, But yeah,

906
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: it's a tough one, of course. I mean, because they

907
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: get dealt different things. I go C plus B minus

908
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: I think is fair. I mean, the fact you made

909
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: a coordinator change is hurts a great a lot obviously, Yeah, right,

910
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: but I think their head coach is really good at

911
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: what he does.

912
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think you do have to You

913
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 2: don't have to separate those things because coaching is coaching.

914
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: It's really broad term though.

915
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you' won ten games this year.

916
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's a little different than analyzing the

917
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: tight ends. Yeah. First of all, I can see the

918
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: tight ends every that and rewind it and look it over.

919
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: I can't.

920
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 2: I mean, look what happened on Vegas. Told us at

921
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: the beginning of the season, this was an eight and

922
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: a half win team. You won more than that.

923
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

924
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 2: The the the fact that you were able to win

925
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: games early in the season when you were consistently being

926
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: outpossessed and not doing anything on offense, and you still

927
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: found ways to win those games that means something.

928
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: That means something, and winning winning one score games has

929
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: become I know some people think that that, oh it's

930
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: coming back to the mean, and all the analytic folks

931
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: will tell you that, but Tomlin's the best in the

932
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: league at it.

933
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: Like it's not by accident. I mean, you know how

934
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: to do this, and you you know.

935
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: You put yourself position.

936
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 2: You not only know how to do it, but you

937
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 2: know how to get your team to put itself in

938
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: position to get.

939
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: In position to be in it in the end. Yeah,

940
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: even if you're getting out played. Yeah, and there's there

941
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: that's that's coaching. That's coaching. Yeah.

942
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: So anyways, that's our grades for this for the season

943
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 2: for the team. I didn't write them down to roll through.

944
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, yeah, but you know, yeah, I mean

945
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: we didn't.

946
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 2: There weren't many what one one A edge edge guys,

947
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: edge guys, that was.

948
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: It, and an A plus running backs, there were B plus,

949
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: there were be There were some b's in there and

950
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: some c's. If we.

951
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 2: If we had just done punting, yeah.

952
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: But man, we don't give out a's like I mean,

953
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: there's a pretty steep curve. I mean there's thirty two

954
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: other teams that you're competing against.

955
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: Right, anyways, we're gonna get to another break. He is

956
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lollie. You're listening to the

957
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back to

958
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 2: finish up the show right after this. Welcome back. I'm

959
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: Dale Lollie. He is the Matt Williamson. And Steeler fans

960
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: you can, of course, I get find the reader, right,

961
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: we don't have to read ready, that's dumb one. We

962
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: were talking about stuff off the air.

963
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: Dumb and dummer. Yeah, ye, all the good stuffscribing us so.

964
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970
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Speaker 2: And uh, we're just kicking around a lot of different stuff.

971
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: There a lot of nonsense that had.

972
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: Non football type stuff here. We don't typically do a

973
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: lot of that on this show. So we'll move on.

974
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: But so.

975
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: A veteran play caller for Mike Tomlin.

976
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you start thinking some names? Yeah?

977
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: One that jumps out to me and he interviewed the

978
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: last time the Steelers had an opening was Pep Hamilton.

979
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: He's been out of a job, so he's available out there.

980
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you'll hear left which the enemy.

981
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: I can see one of those blow my skirt up,

982
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, but I think you'll hear

983
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: those names. I've heard people ask me about Frank Reich.

984
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: I should know the name of top my head. But

985
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator in Seattle this past year. I don't

986
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: think they've announced if he's coming back. What is Waldron?

987
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: I think it's okay, Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't

988
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: know if he'll be They even you know, cleaned house yet.

989
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's five other names that people were thinking about,

990
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: you know. But I know Smith from Miami has been

991
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: brought up because he's not the play caller. He's the

992
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. But if he hasn't called the plays, and

993
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't fit the mold either. And we've talked about too.

994
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: I don't love throwing a Miami style offense here.

995
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 2: No, I don't want to finesse offense here.

996
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 1: Seattle would interest me, Yeah, yeah, Waldron, Yeah yeah, he's

997
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: got a good reputation. If anyone wants to throw names out,

998
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm not avoiding you, folks. But my least favorite topics

999
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: of my job are discussing injuries and assistant coaches, because

1000
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: I've seen what assistant coaches and I know, I don't

1001
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: know what they do from sitting in this chair behind

1002
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: him microphone, you know, in front of a microphone, as

1003
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: opposed to who's really good in the building. It's just

1004
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: a hard thing to analyze unless you're there.

1005
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if I mean Tomlin is a

1006
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 2: relationship with Jim Caldwell.

1007
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if if you get down that ride.

1008
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I mean an adult in the room.

1009
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's gonna be a young offense.

1010
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: Still, yeah, it's a very young offense. That's why I

1011
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: don't necessarily I understand why Mike wants to go with

1012
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 2: somebody who has called plays before. I know people talk

1013
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 2: about Clint Kobiak and yeah, some of these young hot guys,

1014
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 2: but that that you don't know what you're getting.

1015
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: The other issue and This is part of the issues

1016
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: that other teams are dealing with. If you hire a

1017
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: defensive coach, is okay, well, who's your offensive coordinator going

1018
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: to be? If you're not the one calling plays, head guy,

1019
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: if you're not Andy Reid, are you going to be

1020
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: like Houston? Get this whiz kid offensive coordinator for one

1021
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: year and then he's coaching and he's gone Anthers, you

1022
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So like a Caldwell or somebody

1023
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: that's a little older, probably isn't going to get scooped

1024
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: up right away. Way you might get three four years

1025
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: out of them as long as they want to be

1026
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: here as opposed and.

1027
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: You can train somebody underneath them.

1028
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you can you know, right, right right?

1029
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the best way to do

1030
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: it with a non play calling head coach. And you

1031
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: know they they know the league.

1032
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: You know what you're getting.

1033
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: More importantly, I think, yeah, you know.

1034
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 2: What you're buying because you've seen there are tangible results there.

1035
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 2: You're not guessing about what it's going to be.

1036
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: No, right, right, right, No, I think there's a lot

1037
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: of value to that. So I'm open to names. I'm

1038
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: sure now that he has press conference there'll be one

1039
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: hundred names area. Yeah, we'll be getting tweets left and right,

1040
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: and I'm fine with it. But I'll tell you right now,

1041
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: it's a hard thing for me to comment on. It

1042
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: really is.

1043
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is for me as well, because you know,

1044
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 2: I mean, we can we can guess who these guys

1045
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: are going to be, but that doesn't mean we're going

1046
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: to be right.

1047
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: No, you we'll investigate their trees. Like, boy, you spend

1048
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: a lot of time with Shanahan and this dude and

1049
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: this dude, but that doesn't mean that's what they wanted

1050
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: to do here, right, That's yeah, that's the thing. I mean,

1051
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of different avenues and what he's

1052
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: doing in Baltimore is a lot differently did at Georgia.

1053
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Yeah, to your point, I don't know if

1054
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 2: I don't want I don't want one of these Miami

1055
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 2: guys who are basically the off the Shanahan tree, Like,

1056
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: I don't know that that will that work in Pittsburgh

1057
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: in November.

1058
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't mind anyone coming from the Shannan tree,

1059
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: but I don't like the way Miami has their offense structure, correct, ye,

1060
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 1: you know, right, And I don't know that they'd even

1061
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,479
Speaker 1: be interested in Pickens and Deonta and Friarmouth. I mean, yeah,

1062
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 1: you have to go find the fastest guy in the draft.

1063
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 2: And you know your offense is built a certain way

1064
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: right now? You got power running backs, yeah, in a

1065
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: power offensive line.

1066
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: And I can promise you whoever they hire is not

1067
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: going to be hired to not run the ball.

1068
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah right, you know they're going to come in here

1069
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: and run the run and shoot, you're not hiring Mouse Davis.

1070
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: No, Like, I don't think that whoever interviews with coach

1071
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: is gonna be like, well, I don't really think the

1072
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: varning bames all that important. I don't really care about it,

1073
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, like, well, okay, the interview, that's true, Thanks

1074
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: for talking. Yeah, good chat.

1075
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: Enjoy your line you have full I think I'll meet

1076
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: you at the door.

1077
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: I think we're about putting picket in the shotgun and

1078
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: going for wide exclusively, throw it every down. What do

1079
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: you think, coach? I don't think that's gonna fly.

1080
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: Mike did say that, you know it's not going to

1081
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 2: just be him making none of these hires. People need

1082
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: to understand, well, Mike Tomlin makes a hire it's not

1083
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 2: just him, right. People people act like, oh, it's just

1084
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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin high when he hired Brian Flores two years ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he didn't just say, hey, Brian, you're hired, right, He

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Speaker 2: had to call He calls upstairs and said, Art, I'm

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Speaker 2: thinking about bringing Brian Flores in. Does that work?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And you don't think mister Rooney and others are

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Speaker 1: going to be involved in the interview process. Of course

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Speaker 1: they are. This is a major high right exactly. It's

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Speaker 1: not gonna be Tom's just gonna get his buddy hire him.

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Speaker 1: It's anne deal. And that's not the way it's going.

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Speaker 1: That's not the way it works.

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Speaker 2: But you know, if you listen to some other radio

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Speaker 2: shows or read some other stuff around here, that that's

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Speaker 2: the way people.

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Speaker 1: Seem to think it goes. And that's not easy. The

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Speaker 1: only one doing the hiring or is any say in anything. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not how it works.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, that's going to do it for our show today,

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Speaker 2: Matt and I will be back again tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: We'll make our DFS picks.

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Speaker 2: And we'll maybe break down some more what Tomlin had

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Speaker 2: to say today, and Nate delvi into a little bit

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Speaker 2: more of the ancillary stuff that he talked about, figure

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Speaker 2: to say about some individual players as well.

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Speaker 1: We got playoff games this weekend, and we got really

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Speaker 1: good games this.

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Speaker 2: Weekend that we can talk about. We'll do all that tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: but for today, that's going to do it. So for

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Speaker 2: my partner Matt Williamson, for Justin Miller here on site

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Speaker 2: keeping us on the air, I'm Dale, Allie. We thank

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Speaker 2: you for listening to this edition of the Drive on

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Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio.