WEBVTT - A New Profile [9] 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.519 You're listening to The Freeway Phanom, a production of iHeartRadio, 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:07.840 Tenderfoot TV, and Black bar Mitzvah. The views and opinions 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:11.400 expressed in this podcast are solely those of the podcast 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.920 author or individuals participating in the podcast, and do not 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:19.680 represent those of iHeartMedia, Tenderfoot TV, Black bar Mitzvah, or 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:23.919 their employees. This podcast also contains subject matter that may 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:27.480 not be suitable for everyone. Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:36.839 He wanted to show off, and this is something that 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.440 he will do in his real life all the time 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:40.159 because of his. 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:41.360 Poor self image. 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:45.080 He feels the need to prove his greatness and whether 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:50.640 that's in his vocabulary that he uses or in the 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:54.960 quote conquests that he makes, he wants to prove how 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:59.480 much of a man he is. And this letter, especially 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:03.600 when he has used these multi syllabic words to show 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:05.679 off and he gets one of them wrong. 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:09.399 So I think I should just launch into the profile. 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:10.880 Yeah, let's do it. 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:24.680 The homicide detectives termed the cases the Little Girl cases. 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.640 This child was laying on the side of the road. 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.320 I wouldn't go no way. I would call up my house. 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:35.319 Those first five murders should have been a huge warning 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:36.280 bell for the police. 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:38.399 We just want to know what happened. 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.120 This person must have saw that they were thinking that 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.880 maybe it's just one person, and he says, they need 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:44.040 to know. 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:45.399 This is me. 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.280 I thought that they would catch him. 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:49.800 I thought it was just a. 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:50.440 Matter of time. 0:01:51.320 --> 0:02:00.120 I'm Celeste Headley and this is Freeway Phantom. In the 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:04.160 last episode, we talked about the original, outdated psychological profile 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:07.600 for the Freeway Phantom, and we revealed that we commissioned 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:11.560 a new profile from the former FBI Special Agent Jim Clemente. 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:15.440 So now we'll jump right into Jim Clemente's new profile 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:18.160 of the Freeway Phantom, and that starts with a little 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:19.120 bit of scene setting. 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.080 So the first thing that we have to understand is 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:28.600 the victim availability factor was higher back then. 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:29.720 In the seventies. 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:35.600 You didn't have the Internet, which gave people access immediately 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:39.239 to everything that happens around the country every day twenty 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:44.680 four seven, three sixty five. So generally smaller communities were 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.959 they felt insulated. If nothing happened in your community, then 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.559 you weren't really concerned about certain. 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.480 Things like child abductions. 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.480 The fact is that in the United States of America, 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:59.360 approximately one hundred and sixty to two hundred times a 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:04.280 year a child is abducted by a non family member 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.400 for a long period of time, one hundred and sixty 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:10.919 times to two hundred times a year. Now you match 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:15.720 that against Nick Mick's reports of missing kids over eight 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.800 hundred thousand a year, but only one sixty to two 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:22.400 hundred of them are actually non familiar long term abductions. 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.160 So what does that tell you. It's a very rare event. 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:29.639 But with the Internet, you now know about every single 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.680 one of them, well at least every one of them 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.080 that is a blond haired, blue eyed, white girl. 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.680 But you hear about many. 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:43.440 Of them that occur much more than you would have before. 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:49.960 So people started locking their doors more often, restricting the 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:53.080 freedoms of their kids, not letting them just ride their 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:56.800 bikes down the street alone or walk to the store alone. 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:01.680 And so that is a very important thing. This guy, 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:06.920 although he was able to abduct six seven girls, they. 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.480 Were much more available to him. 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:12.200 So this is not a criminal sophistication level that is 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:16.200 extremely high. It is more a product of the times. 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:20.160 So that's the first part of the profile. He chooses 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:24.159 victims of opportunity, but they must meet his. 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:27.200 Physical and gender requirements. 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:31.440 And so I think that they're all black, they're all female, 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:36.440 they're all petite, they're all alone, and they're all on foot. 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:41.880 So there are certainly offenders who will follow a woman 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:46.480 in a car down a secluded route and bump into 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.240 the car pull them over as a fake cop. There 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.560 are people who are sophisticated enough to do that. 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:52.080 He is not. 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:56.000 He's looking for children, he's not looking to go into 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.960 their home and risk their family members. He's very cost 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.919 All these things are going to be evinced in his 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:03.720 actual life. 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.720 When you say sophisticated, is that the same as intelligence. 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.279 Are we talking about someone who's of lower intelligence. 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:16.280 No, criminal sophistication is based on experience committing these kinds 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:21.080 of crimes. Generally, in these offenses we see precursor crimes 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:26.280 that lead up to the abduction, like peeping or breaking 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:30.640 into a house, stealing somebody's underwear, you know, doing things 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:31.120 like that. 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:35.120 But in this case, I do not believe he broke 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:36.119 into anybody's house. 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.480 I believe he doesn't have the guts to do it 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.760 or the physical skills to do it. And that could 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:48.280 be because he's overly heavy, or it could be because he's. 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:49.880 Just not confident. 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:55.039 I believe that he's likely short himself, although he has 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.599 very powerful hands, probably due to the kind of work 0:05:58.640 --> 0:05:59.119 he does. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:01.279 I believe he's not scary. 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.919 He's able to get close enough to these victims to 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:07.039 not scare. 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:08.800 Them away before he can control them. 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:13.720 So I believe he controls them with a knife or 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:19.839 a gun, and he very quickly binds them and or 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:24.000 throws them in a trunk of a car. Speaking of that, 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:28.080 I think he either has a van, a panel van, 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.960 which is much more common in the seventies, or a 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:35.880 station wagon like one of those green, metallic woody station wagons, 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.800 where he can open the back, toss them in and 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:42.680 close it and they're not going to be seen by anybody. 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:46.760 So he fits into the community. He's a blackmail or 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:51.640 mixed race, and everyone sees right through him. He's invisible 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:56.600 to the neighborhood because he is just one of the guys. 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:02.039 He probably doesn't come off as being gruff or an asshole. 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:05.880 He probably comes off as being meek, but he does 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.480 try to show off any opportunity he gets. 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.480 Next, Clemente talked about the kind of work the killer 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.560 likely did, which would also explain how he got around 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:16.240 the neighborhood. 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.240 He either trolls via his work. 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.960 For example, he could be a tow truck driver or 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:30.160 a traveling repair person, someone who picks up junk or 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:34.960 hauls away trash for people, something that gives him the 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.600 opportunity to drive any place at any hour of the 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:41.440 day or night, or he has just has the freedom 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.560 to do that. He works for himself and he doesn't 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:48.520 have to clock in anywhere in particular. Also, if he's 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:51.480 in a living relationship, it could be with a parent, 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:58.360 or it could be with a paramore. However, he definitely 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.760 does not have to answer to another person in terms 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.520 of where he is at what hour, because he's been 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:06.880 able to do this at any hour at any time. 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:11.200 He grew up in a very religious family, one. 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:17.040 That would have condemned the thoughts and desires that he knew. 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.400 By the time he hit puberty, he knew that he 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:22.000 was sexually attracted to children. 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:23.960 He knew that this was wrong. 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.640 He may have acted on it and been scolded and 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:30.880 punished extremely. 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:31.040 By his mother. 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:35.840 This would have gone on throughout his entire childhood that 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:42.079 he would have been very severely physically punished and also demeaned, 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:46.920 and the demeaning part was probably even more damaging than 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:52.760 the physical punishment. He has a foot or shoe fetish, 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:56.880 and that's why he keeps the shoes as souvenirs. And 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:01.040 there's a difference between souvenirs and trophies. Souvenirs is something 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.160 that he keeps privately to himself to remind himself and 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:08.640 encourage the fantasies that he will have as he's reliving 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:11.319 these experiences these offenses. 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:13.800 Trophies are something that you show off. 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:18.480 For example, trophy might be a necklace that you take 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.640 from a victim and give to somebody in your life 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:23.400 so you can see it every day. 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.160 It's much more insidious. 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:30.800 So, as I said before, I believe that most likely 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:35.679 through his work he's developed very strong hands, powerful hands 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:41.400 and arms, and this is something that he probably deliberately 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.360 did as a line of work because he's small and 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.400 he feels powerless and he wants to feel more powerful. 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:51.000 He feels like he doesn't measure up, and that again 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.800 was something that was drilled into him as a kid, 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:59.960 and especially if they found out about his deviant sexual 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:06.120 behavior and desires. So he feels very diminished. He's get 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:10.560 an extremely poor sense of self. He knew since he 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:15.000 was a child that these dirty, evil thoughts were wrong 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:20.679 and that he was not normal, and he's fixated on 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:27.480 petite probably just pubescent children. This may have been the 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:29.400 first sexual experience that he. 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.360 Had was with a girl of that age. 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.480 Whether he was that age or older, I don't know, 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:41.480 but probably either a younger relative or somebody that he 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:45.520 had access to through the family was the first person 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:49.600 that he molested. And he may have gotten caught, and 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:55.360 that's why when he started this particular killing series, he 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.079 actually killed his victims because he didn't want to ever 0:10:58.120 --> 0:10:58.839 get caught again. 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:03.040 Would he have been able to stop for any reason 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:06.160 other than being caught or something else happening, Would he've 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:07.240 had the come out of control. 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:11.520 He would have needed to stop, absolutely, because every single 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.520 one of them can stop. And the proof of that 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:18.040 is that they don't do it in front of everybody else. 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:19.040 They hide it. 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.000 They do it only when they can get away with it, 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:26.280 and that is the ultimate control. They know that it's wrong, 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.280 they know that it's illegally, they know they will get 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.240 arrested and maybe spend the rest of their life in 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.680 jail or get the death penalty, and they avoid it 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:38.520 by operating only when they can get away with it. 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.000 That's all the proof I need that they're in control. 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:46.000 The people who are criminally insane don't realize that what 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.440 they're doing is wrong, so they don't make any attempt 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:48.880 to hide it. 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:51.000 And so this guy is. 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:52.400 Not like that, not at all. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:01.000 So one particular victim really stands out to me, and 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.760 that's Brenda Woodard. And she was eighteen years old, so 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.400 she was the oldest victim that we know of, and 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.439 yet she was very petite as well and fit all 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:15.280 of the other desirability factors. He probably didn't know that 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:19.400 she was eighteen. She probably looked younger to him. That 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.640 may mean that he had to follow her at a 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.720 great distance, or that he didn't have much time to 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:26.800 make a decision with respect to her. 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:29.920 But this offense really affected him. 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:34.800 As I said earlier, she was stabbed repeatedly, but when 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:37.920 her body was placed, a coat was placed over a 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:41.360 chest where where she was stabbed, and that's an aspect 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:42.040 of undoing. 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:47.600 So he lost his cool. He was enraged by her behavior. 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.720 She didn't follow the script he had in his mind, 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:53.959 and therefore he punished her for that, but he felt 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.439 bad about it, and that's the reason why I believe 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.800 he was brought up in a very religious family, a 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:04.520 very strict religious family that basically chastised him and said 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:08.160 he was going to be punished for his sins, and 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:14.800 so that was an outward manifestation of this enforced remorse 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:19.079 basically for what he did. The extent to which Brenda 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:23.280 fought back really bothered him and it undermined his confidence 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.920 for quite a while, and that's why he didn't operate 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:30.559 for so long. He may have also been walking around 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:36.600 with physical manifestations of that, scratches on his face, bruised eyes, whatever. 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:40.560 It is something that made him feel like he was 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:46.240 ultimately vulnerable because of what she did. So post defense behavior, 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.360 I would say after each of the murders, he hunkered 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:55.880 down and sort of repented outwardly, but inwardly, what he 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:59.800 was doing was he was reliving the fantasy of what 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:03.040 he done over and over again, probably trying to correct 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.520 the things that went wrong. And this is one of 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.520 the things that drives them to do it over and 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:11.640 over again because it never goes exactly as they fantasize, 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:13.600 and they want to do it right, and they want 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.240 it to be right so they can have this amazing. 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:17.440 Fulfilled fantasy. 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:22.120 This guy has a rich inner fantasy life, and I 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:26.320 think that led him to read a lot and engage 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:30.400 in fantasy type behavior. Today's version of that would be 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:34.440 playing certain fantasy games, but back in the seventies that 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:38.080 wasn't really there. But he may have engaged in that 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.840 kind of behavior on the side for his hobby. 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:43.520 He likes to show off how smart he is. 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:45.680 Is probably annoys the hell out of anybody that he 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.440 knows or people that he comes in contact with. His 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:52.480 fantasies are all about young girls, and he may have 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:56.520 from time to time slipped up and let somebody know like, oh, 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:00.280 isn't she hot or something like that, making comments. Wants 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:03.760 to feel powerful and having this power over these girls 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:05.480 makes him feel powerful. 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.960 When I heard this, it reminded me of Brenda Crockett, 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.560 the ten year old who the Freeway Phantom allowed to 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.640 call home a few times. I asked Clemente if he 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:18.360 thought that was one of the killers displays of power. 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.520 Yeah, well, this is one of the things the mother 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:26.600 was out looking for. I think that he saw the mother, 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:32.520 and he wanted to make sure that she didn't see him. 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:35.640 That's why he had her tell her mother, I'm in 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:39.440 a house with a white man in Virginia. That tells 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.760 me they were not in Virginia, and he was not 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:45.400 a white man, and so he expected that if the 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:47.280 mother had seen him with her. 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.120 She would have said, but who was that black man. 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:49.520 I saw you with? 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.160 But she didn't say that, right, So I think that 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.520 was a test to see and that's why he had 0:15:56.520 --> 0:16:00.120 her call back twice. 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:03.840 Next, Jim Clemente talked about the killer's likely living situation. 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.800 He has a private house or garage or shed where 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:13.240 he keeps these girls where he has total privacy and control. 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.800 It's in the Beltway area, but it's not in Virginia. 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:22.120 He excluded that by using Virginia in that call. So 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:26.520 somewhere in Maryland or DC he grew up there or 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:30.280 works in that area. And I believe that in nineteen 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:34.480 seventy one he was probably mid twenties to mid thirties. 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:40.160 I believe this was the beginning of his offending career, 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:44.760 and I think something significant happened right after this that 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:49.479 could have been he moved went into the military, was arrested, 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:56.760 but some significant event happened which changed his offending behavior 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.520 stopped it at this point, at least in this area. 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.400 And that could also have been that he got married, 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:07.120 he got into a relationship, that he found someone who 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:11.320 empowered him and that he was not. 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:13.840 Afraid to be with. 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.440 But it could also have been somebody who completely dominates 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:22.159 and controls him, like his mother did. But that's the 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.359 only two types of relationships that I believe he would 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:25.760 have been in. 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:27.680 What about the washing. 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.919 He seems to have washed at least some of them, 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:32.240 if not all of them. 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.119 Yeah, well, part of that could be he washed the 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.879 feet because he has a foot fetish, so for him, 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:43.000 interacting with their feet is a sexual behavior. It's also 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:48.240 possible that that's a level of forensic sophistication. So yes, 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:52.200 there were green fibers found on several of the bodies. 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:57.240 That shows a lack of forensic sophistication in that area. 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:02.240 But he may have washed any evidence of sexual contact 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:05.440 with these girls. Clearly, they were able to determine that 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:09.400 they were raped in most of the cases, so he 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:13.640 wasn't able to undo that, but he did at least 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:17.880 make an effort and I think that it's either part 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:21.840 of his ritual. So there's MO aspects to every crime. 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.760 Those are modus operandi, the action's necessary to commit to 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.240 crime and escape undetected. 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:30.680 But there's also ritual aspects. 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.400 And although MO is learned and that you get better 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.960 and better over time, that's where you developed criminal sophistication. 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:41.119 I'm not saying that he isn't criminally sophisticated. I'm saying 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:45.560 that his criminal sophistication level does not rise to the 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:48.440 level that will give him the ability to break into 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:52.480 somebody's protected home and take them from their own environment. 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:57.320 That is a criminal sophistication level that is much higher 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:00.840 than someone who takes someone who's on foot on. 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:03.399 The street, so he has a car, they don't have 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:03.879 a car. 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:07.960 The problem with taking somebody who has a car on foot, 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:09.720 you know when they get out of their car, is 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:11.840 that you leave the car there, so everybody knows where 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:15.280 they were taken from, and the window of opportunity can 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:19.000 be seriously limited by that. So he's taking people who 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:22.560 are on foot who you know won't be expected back 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:26.159 home immediately, right, so there's more of a time delay. 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.040 The alarm doesn't go off right away, gives them a 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:29.840 chance to get. 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:31.360 Away to his secure location. 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:35.360 That's what I meant by saying he wasn't as criminally 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:41.320 sophisticated as somebody who would do in home abductions. So 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:46.199 he could have a history, and his history would have 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:53.280 been sexually victimizing children, one in his family or somehow 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:57.080 that he got access to in his teens or early twenties, 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:00.440 because that is what was available to him. 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.320 But eventually he figure. 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:07.480 Out a way to get out and hunt, and he 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:11.800 probably hunted a little bit away from where he lived 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:16.560 and then took them to this place that is secure, 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:21.199 then dumped them a little ways away from where he 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:24.880 lived or where he did this because he didn't want 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:29.359 to point people in the direction of where he lived. 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:32.320 But I know in one case. 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:36.320 The victim was left right by where her mother takes 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:40.200 the bus every day. Her shoes were placed very neatly 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:43.720 by the side of her body. That's a ritualistic kind 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:47.679 of behavior, and so that could mean that there's some 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:51.440 kind of connection between them. I don't know, but it's 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:53.320 a very risky thing to do too. 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:57.240 You said that his behavior would have always been towards 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:00.119 young girls, and you said pretty clearly that that that's 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.840 what motivates him. So this is probably not someone who 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.240 would have changed the opposite. 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:06.760 This is not. 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.680 Somebody who raped twenty five year olds at one point 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:13.520 and then for this period of time preyed on young girls. 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:17.239 Absolutely, no, that's not who it is. 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:22.000 Yeah, if he can successfully break into homes and rape 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:24.800 twenty five year olds or get them while they're on 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:27.480 the street, no he's not doing that. 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:30.720 No, his sexual fantasies are about children. 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:37.159 That concludes Jim Clemente's profile of the Freeway phantom, and 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:40.119 there's a lot to break down here, so we asked 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:42.640 someone else to sit down with us and provide their 0:21:42.680 --> 0:22:05.040 thoughts on this new profile. Jim Clementi's profile is striking 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:07.960 for a number of reasons. It suggests the killer was 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:11.800 a local person, someone with limited resources and a lower 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:16.920 level of sophistication than previously believed. It also suggests they 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:21.560 were primarily motivated by fetishes, in turn demonstrating a level 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:27.159 of psychopathy before unconsidered. We wanted to analyze Clemente's profile 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:30.800 with a professional investigator, so we decided to run all 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:34.080 of this by Detective Jim Trainam. We showed him Clemente's 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:36.359 new profile, and here were his thoughts. 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:40.960 One of the things that he said that really made 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:44.359 sense to me is the fact that he believes that 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:47.919 this person fantasized about this, especially with the first victim, 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:51.000 and planned it, and that's why he was able to 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:53.760 keep her as long as he did, because he had 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:56.919 everything set up and ready to go. What I'm wondering 0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:59.240 is is how many false starts he may have had 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:03.960 before that with other children. And one thing that I 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:06.159 did want to bring up, I don't look if you 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:09.200 consider this is he was talking about the time between 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:12.119 the abduction and the body was found. But we know 0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:16.480 that with the first victim, she was abducted kept somewhere 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:19.480 because when she was found, the medical examiner was able 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:21.679 to say she had been there only like two or 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:24.280 three days, and so she was alive for several days 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:26.920 before then. But with the other victims, we don't really 0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:29.000 know exactly when they were killed, so it may have 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:32.520 been a much shorter time period. He may have abducted them, 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:34.240 killed them, and then dumped them. 0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:37.960 They were found some time later. But what's interesting is 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:43.440 is that does that mean that he singled out this 0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:47.919 first victim and did he know her, And with the 0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:50.480 other victims, like the second victim, we always kind of 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:53.560 theorized that says they were from the same neighborhood, disappeared 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:55.320 the same way that he may have known her too. 0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:58.720 But the other ones, were they actually ones that he 0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:02.720 identified before forehand? Because I got the impression that that's 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:04.960 what Jim was saying. I may be wrong that he 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:09.640 identified his victims beforehand and then planned it and then 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:13.639 abducted them. And is it that or were they just 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:17.359