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Speaker 1: gotty Joe, Yes, thank you so much for letting us

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Speaker 1: Joe get ready, oh no, so appropriate for our show.

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Speaker 1: We want to start by asking you, like, how do

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Speaker 1: think about those things. My political philosophy is very mixed, right.

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Speaker 1: formative political experiences of your life. Well, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: disingenuous way of communicating where you want to say the

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Speaker 1: things that people are going to want to hear, because

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Speaker 1: that way they're going to cast you. So here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: You take these people, and generally speaking, people come to

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Speaker 1: Hollywood if they have an acting dream. That's the big

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Speaker 1: reason why, right, That's like probably the number one. There's comics.

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Speaker 1: They come there and they're different, but not necessarily because

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Speaker 1: a lot of them get into acting and they get

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Speaker 1: like by that system too. But the way this system

436
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: works is you go there and then you go into

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Speaker 1: a room like this one. It's like, maybe we could

438
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Speaker 1: be the casting directors and someone would come in and

439
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 1: you go, hey, Mark, tell us a little bit about yourself.

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Speaker 1: Where'd you move from it? And there's like a smugness

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Speaker 1: to it and a weirdness to it because they have

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Speaker 1: power over you. And they're like, well, you know, I'm

443
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 1: from New Jersey, but uh, you know, been acting. I

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00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: did a bunch of plays and blah blah blah, and

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00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm out here trying it out. Okay, Mark, Well you're

446
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 1: going to read for the role of Ted, and then

447
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, like some fucking pa, we'll read off a thing. Well, Ted,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if we can do this. Man,

449
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: it just seems like it's all wrong. You're like, come on, man,

450
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Speaker 1: we can do it. In this I've done this so

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00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: many times. You're in this like completely non natural advice.

452
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: It's usually a conference room in a production office, and

453
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: you're in this non natural environment with these smug people

454
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: that have this massive amount of power over you, and

455
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,239
Speaker 1: it shapes the way people communicate. Like I've been in

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00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 1: rooms where they'll discuss politics like right away, and you

457
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: see people bend to whichever way the wind is blown,

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Speaker 1: Like what do I have to say what they want?

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Speaker 1: I think about the time we had a woman president,

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Speaker 1: like they'll say shit, yeah, well yeah, like you see it,

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Speaker 1: you see the disingect. They don't have opinions these I'm

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Speaker 1: when I say they Some of them do, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of them don't. What they have is a conglomeration

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Speaker 1: of opinions that they've adopted because they think it'll be

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Speaker 1: beneficial for their career. Because their career is they're insecure

466
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Speaker 1: people that go to a place where they're gonna get

467
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Speaker 1: rejected a lot. It is the worst thing ever for

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Speaker 1: their mental health. I stopped dating actresses like in the nineties.

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Speaker 1: It was like ninety four. I was like, oh, this

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Speaker 1: is not good, this doesn't work, Like these these people

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Speaker 1: are crazy. And I'm like, I know I'm crazy, but

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm a like comedians slash martial artists crazy. It's

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Speaker 1: like a different kind of crazy. It's like a more

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Speaker 1: like honest crazy, like they're crazy. Was I need get

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Speaker 1: cast in things? And also I got insanely lucky. I

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Speaker 1: auditioned for two television shows, and the two television shows

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Speaker 1: I auditioned for, I got both of them. It was nuts,

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Speaker 1: Like I got the show called Hardball. That was the

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Speaker 1: first thing I came out for. I got that and

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Speaker 1: then Hardball got canceled and auditioned for news radio, and

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Speaker 1: then I got that. So it's like two things in

482
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Speaker 1: a row. It's unheard of. So just dumb luck, I

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Speaker 1: auditioned for the right things. And then so I didn't

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Speaker 1: see this side of it because I was already working

485
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Speaker 1: like the constant rejection side. So I would go on

486
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Speaker 1: auditions for movies and stuff that i'd net probably didn't

487
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Speaker 1: really want, and I would do it because you were

488
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Speaker 1: supposed to. You're supposed to, You're My agent would literally

489
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Speaker 1: tell me, you need to go out on these So

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Speaker 1: these casting directors know who you are, so they know

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Speaker 1: you and they like you, even like, but I can't

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Speaker 1: even do this because I'm doing this. They're like, just

493
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Speaker 1: they it's better to have them want you and not

494
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Speaker 1: be able to get you. That's weird. So and then

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Speaker 1: there was like, maybe something that's going to be cast

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Speaker 1: while you're on summer break, Okay, fine. So I would

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00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: go on these auditions and I would see these poor

498
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: fucks that were like lost in this world of being

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Speaker 1: chosen for things. And that's what shapes the entire mindset

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Speaker 1: of that part of the country, the entire mindset of

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Speaker 1: that part of the country is doing things that you

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00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: think other people will like, imagine the hellscape of a

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Speaker 1: world where everyone in the business, in one business, everyone

504
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Speaker 1: is liberal. How is that possible? How is it possible?

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Speaker 1: How is it possible when the country is basically divided

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Speaker 1: at fifty to fifty. So you're telling me that everyone

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Speaker 1: who is is everyone who's creative, is it? Everyone who

508
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Speaker 1: is expressive? Is it? Everyone who's theatrical? Is that possible?

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Speaker 1: It's not possible because it's not really opinions. They're willing

510
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Speaker 1: to not have any opinions on anything else other than

511
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Speaker 1: feeding narcissism, feeding this career that seems insurmountable possible to achieve,

512
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: because when you're thinking about someone wanting to be like

513
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: an actor on a television show, you're like, what is

514
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: what's the what are the odds that you make it?

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00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: It's so small, Like there's so many people in Hollywood

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00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: that never make it. Like I was talking to a

517
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Speaker 1: buddy of mine the other day about his ex girlfriend

518
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: and she was really mean to him in college and

519
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: she cheated on him with his friend and all this,

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00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 1: and she's still trying to make it now. She's forty eight. Wow,

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00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: And and he was talking about how like he ran

522
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Speaker 1: into her and this is this fucking weird moment. I

523
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: was like, dude, because it's crazy. A lot of them

524
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: just drop off. They just quit because they realize they're

525
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: like they're clinging to this ship and they can't quite

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Speaker 1: pull themselves up, and then they're in the middle of

527
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: the ocean, like I gotta drop off the ship. And

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00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: then sometimes they drop off and they're sixty years old

529
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 1: and they've never made it. And then maybe they got

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00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: like a bit part on like a sitcom when they

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00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: walk in with a pizza and they have one line

532
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: they leave and that's on their reel forever, like this

533
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Speaker 1: is this is that industry. So that industry has made

534
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Speaker 1: a bunch of fucking insane people because they were insane

535
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Speaker 1: going in there. They needed a lot of attention already.

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Speaker 1: And then on top of that, they get rejected over

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00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: and over and over again. And I think I remember

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Speaker 1: this girl that I was dating. She would come home

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00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: from auditions and then she'd just be like just devastated

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00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: because the audition didn't know go well and she stumbled

541
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Speaker 1: through things. She's just like you could like feel the

542
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: ankst like pulsating off of their bodies, like people were

543
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: just and you run into that more than you don't,

544
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: because most and most people are bitter and most people

545
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: are weirded out, and they adopt these liberal sensibilities and

546
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: ideologies and they don't necessarily do it because they thought

547
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: these things through. I mean, occasionally you got your Mark

548
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: Ruffalo type characters really all in on, but most of

549
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: them are not. Most of them are just nonsense people.

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00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: And those nonsense people will get on stage and they'll

551
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: they'll say, like at the Academy Awards or at the Grammys,

552
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: they'll talk about, this is what we have to do.

553
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: We have to make sure that we support this and that,

554
00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: and it's fucking horseshit. So that imagine video where they

555
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: all who for this perfect, perfect encapsulation. Do you think

556
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: you're actually helping? That was my first favorite one. My

557
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: second favorite one was after the George Floyd thing where

558
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: they all did that black and white video that I

559
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: will no longer stand for it. I will no longer

560
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: stand for any race, Like wait, how much racist? And

561
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: what is everybody super little out there? What are you experiencing?

562
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: So that's the people that like, don't make it right

563
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: to do and then the two groups of people that

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00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: do the imagine people and the people in the other

565
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: video are people to do. Do you think that fame

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00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: has its own like corrosiveness and like the people who

567
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: actually make it? And then you're in a different situation

568
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: where you're not faced with constant rejection. Now you're faced

569
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: with constant adulation, Like what does that do to people?

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00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: And what has that experience been like for you? I

571
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: think you have to have something to test your ego,

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00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: and for me it's always been martial arts and exercise

573
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: and yoga and you know, we talked about sauna that

574
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: tests you as much as you don't think it does.

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00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: You need things that test you. If you just have

576
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: this smooth sailing life where you get out of the towel,

577
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: you get out of the shower, you put your arm

578
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: out and someone hands your towel and you're like, I

579
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: like fresh fruit, and they bring your plate a fresh

580
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: fruit and the like, and then that's a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: Especially when you are on a movie set and you're

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Speaker 1: a major star. I would imagine that is your reality

583
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: where you're just constantly being catered to and you start

584
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: thinking that you're different and better than other pieces it's

585
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: very unhealthy and it's very sketchy. It's weird think about

586
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: it psychologically, it's not where people are supposed to be.

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00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,479
Speaker 1: But you think about it, like what do they behave? Like, well,

588
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: they behave like Jeoffrey in fucking Game of Thrones, right

589
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: is that his name? You behave like a king, you

590
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: behave like a dictator because like all these people are

591
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: like throwing roses at your feet and like the red

592
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: carpet shit, Like I fucking never would do Red Carver,

593
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: even movies that I did, Like I did a couple

594
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: of movies with Kevin James, Like you like you to

595
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: walk to red carp but like, fuck you, Like I'm not.

596
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: I want to go in the back of the theater.

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00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm not walking through that red carpet. A very weird

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00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: custom money and there Joe over here, over here, over here,

599
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: and some people are posing I'm wearing a hook and

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00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: sneaking in the back. I'm I don't want to be

601
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: a part of that. But the crazy thing, though, is

602
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: that we're describing that old Hollywood. I'm you and correct

603
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, But I feel like everything is

604
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: changing now. It's all like the TikTok kids like mister Beast.

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00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: I mean we encounter like some of this. You created

606
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: this whole space right of the YouTube, like I did

607
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: create this whole well. I think I would say that

608
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: it would have happened without I would call you the

609
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: father of the space, whether you like it or not.

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00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: And like, I think we're a outgrowth of that. I

611
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: think actually a lot of new comedy that I see,

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00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: for example, like YouTube comedy is how I primarily engage

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00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: with comedy, like and then I mean Andrew Schultz, I

614
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: became friends with them because of your show. I reached

615
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: out to him and then started engaging with this podcast

616
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: and more like. But Hollywood didn't have anything to do

617
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: with that. So I feel like everything has changed. The

618
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: Logan Paul thing was kind of crazy to me because

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00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, Yeah, this guy who was a YouTuber and

620
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: then became a boxer and now he's just did this

621
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: thing with Floyd Mayweather where they just sold what was

622
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: like a million pay per views. I'm like, that's fucking crazy.

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00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: And so now you have YouTubers who want to be

624
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: boxers and boxers who want to be YouTubers. And because

625
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: if you have engaged slightly in UFC. All these UFC

626
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: guys are becoming influencers, Like I can see them online

627
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: and they've got like fucking hot sauces and stuff, and

628
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that. But it's like this weird

629
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: change that happened. So, like, what do you make of

630
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: as everything goes independent and everything moves online, has it

631
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: gotten worse? Has it gotten better? Like what are some

632
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: of the downsides plus size or whatever? As things have

633
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: changed in the last It's only been like ten years

634
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: and things are totally different. I don't think it's a

635
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: worse or better. It's just a new world we're living in. Like,

636
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: is the world worse or better because of social media?

637
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: Or worse or better because better because of smartphones? Well,

638
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: it's better because maybe you can have an app that

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Speaker 1: tells if you're having a heart attack. You know, it's

640
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: better because you can google the answer to a question

641
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: and you don't have to bullshit people anymore. You have

642
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: to wonder, you have to go find an encyclopedia. It's

643
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: better because we have more access to information. You can

644
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: take videos of your kids and you can look at

645
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Speaker 1: him forever. I mean, I have videos of my daughter

646
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,479
Speaker 1: when she was a little baby, and I pull them

647
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: up on my phone all the time. They are my favorites.

648
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: You know. She's thirteen now, but I could see her

649
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: when she was one, you know, and it's that's awesome.

650
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: There's something amazing about this technology. There's something amazing about

651
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: all of it. But it's very challenging, you know. It's

652
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: we're putting ourselves in an unusual position of stress where

653
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, like when you see people that get in

654
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: these social media squabbles. You know you talked aboute Jamie Kilsteen. Well,

655
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: Jamie Kilstein has a crazy story about you know, he

656
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,239
Speaker 1: was like all in as a social justice warrior and

657
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: he would tell me that he would attack people on

658
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: Twitter and then to be walking down the street and

659
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: he couldn't help looking at his phone and checking the

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Speaker 1: mentions and and then but he you know, he's really

661
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: honest about that. It was kind of brave he realized,

662
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: like for he got canceled for like the most it

663
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: was like literally the most benign thing. Like he was

664
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: like trying to date someone and they were like, you're

665
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: a predator, and it's like, what, yeah, what does that mean?

666
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: He's like, but I've been doing this so now what

667
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: is what he's saying? Like, what does that even mean?

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00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: You know, like a man who's attempting to date a

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00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: girl like in a lot of those circles is like problematic,

670
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: but it's not even real what it is. It's like

671
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: it's like we were talking about with Elon or with

672
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: money earlier. It's attack vectors. It's finding a thing to

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00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: attack you on. And when people can't, when there's nothing

674
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: to attack, they attack things and then they justify that

675
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: that's something that they should attack. When you only have

676
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: a hammer, everything looks like a nail. And one of

677
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: the things about social media is that people generally look

678
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,280
Speaker 1: to complain about things, whether it's to complain about p people,

679
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: where it's a complain about the state of politics or

680
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: the climate or whatever the fuck. It is, like you

681
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 1: get the most juice out of complaining about things, and

682
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: the algorithms recognize that obviously as well, which is why

683
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: the algorithms recognize that the things that people interact with

684
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: most are the things that they hate. So those are

685
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: the things that people go after, and they say that

686
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, they're engineering it to make us, you know,

687
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: hateful and angry. But my friend Ari did an experiment,

688
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: and he went on YouTube and he only looked up

689
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: puppies for like months, and all YouTube suggested was puppies.

690
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: They didn't suggest they didn't suggest like puppies. If you

691
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: look at my YouTube, my YouTube is like there's some

692
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: political discussion, but it's a lot of like martial arts

693
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: matches and professional pool and like mindless stuff like muscle

694
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: cars and things along those lines. But it's like your

695
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: social media algorithm, whether it's I don't use Facebook very much,

696
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: but whatever you're looking at most is what they're going

697
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: to recommend to you most. So it's more of a

698
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: reflection of the problem with human psychology, so that we

699
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: do tend to concentrate on negative things, which I think

700
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: is overall very unhealthy for us, because we're hardwired to

701
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: deal with real problems because we grew, we evolved trying

702
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: to get away from predators and enemy tribes are coming

703
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: over the hill and trying to steal our resources. And

704
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: now everything's pretty fucking easy in that regard. So now

705
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: we're looking for problems in our culture. We're looking for

706
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: problems in the way people communicate, and we're looking in

707
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: many many cases, we're looking to enact power over other

708
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: people to avoid looking inward at our own problems and difficulties.

709
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: If you look at online, the people that are the

710
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: most disciplined, that accomplish the most things and have the

711
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: most impact, spend the least amount of time complaining about

712
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: other people. The people that spend the most amount of

713
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: time complaining about other people and the most of the

714
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 1: time calling out people and insulting people and shaming people,

715
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: they always get it back at them. Someone always comes

716
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: at them because they're filled with flaws and they're the

717
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: type of person that does that all the time. Is

718
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: the type of person that's kind of shitty, you know.

719
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 1: And then other people are gonna say, well, you've fucked

720
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: over your employee, or you fucked over your mom, or

721
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: you did this to that person. And look, here's the

722
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: thing we found you wrote four years ago on Twitter.

723
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: You piece of shit. You're an able list or you're

724
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: a this or that, and it's like you're involved in

725
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: this constant cycle of negativity and like it's not healthy

726
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: for anybody. And the more time you can concentrate on

727
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: yourself and people you care about and friendships and love

728
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: and community and your actual interests, real interests like You

729
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: should have real interests. You should have hobbies, you have

730
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: things you're curious about. You should have like subjects you're

731
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: fascinated with that you you really like. If there's a

732
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: good documentary on you UFOs on YouTube or on iTunes

733
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: or something, I cant fucking pumped. I'm excited, Like I'm

734
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: not thinking about complaining about people. I'm not thinking about

735
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: calling people out. I'm like, whooh, what's this? We got

736
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 1: some new footage? What are they guys? Don't hear? I'm excited,

737
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: like I want I like positive things, And I think

738
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: if I can express anything that will help people, the

739
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: more you take care of your own bullshit, the less

740
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna worry about other people's bullshit, and the more

741
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: you can enjoy things that you're actually interested in, right

742
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 1: as opposed to spending time cultivating negativity, which is so intoxicating.

743
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: It's so easy for people to get caught up in

744
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 1: this artificial drama, you know, And I think I wonder

745
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: if you think that this is right too. I think

746
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: there's also like a very innate human longing to be

747
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: like a hero in a way, you know, to do

748
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: noble things and get credit for that and be recognized,

749
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: and I think part of the instinct also comes from that.

750
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: In a society that doesn't give us a lot of

751
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: opportunities to exercise that particular muscle, it's a longing for like, Okay,

752
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: I can show that I'm virtuous. I called out this person,

753
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: and now other people are joining, and it makes you

754
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: feel like you actually accomplish something for sure, Yeah, I

755
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: think definitely. I mean that's what virtual signaling is all about, right,

756
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: And there's a bunch of human reward systems that are

757
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: just built into what it means to be a person

758
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: that they can get hijacked by technology and culture and

759
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: a lot. And you really think you're doing a good

760
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: thing and you think you're changing things, but really you're

761
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: just making noise, you know. So something I think is

762
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: kind of crazy is that this podcast gets millions of viewers,

763
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: of listeners, etc. So jri and yet we live in

764
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: DC and we've seen this with the success of our

765
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: own show. Even though our show consistently will beat a

766
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: CNN primetime hour, people in power don't seem to care.

767
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: And I've considered this with your work as well, because

768
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: I will hear a newsworthy interview that you'll do with

769
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: like Bernie Sanders or something like that, or a newsworthy

770
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: interview with Tulsi or with Andrew Yang or even any

771
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: general influencer, and it will not get the same level

772
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: of mainstream attention as if let's say they sat down

773
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 1: with The New York Times. But you have ten times

774
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: the audience of these people. Why do you think that is?

775
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: I've never been able to put my arm around it.

776
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: Do you think people in power don't understand you? Actually? Wait,

777
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: because here's the thing they do. By the way, you

778
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: have no many people? How many people are like could

779
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: you give me Joe Rogan's number? My congressman really wants

780
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: I like literally know, like he doesn't give a shit

781
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: about you, and I'm not gonna do that, Like can

782
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: you pass on this person to this room? I'm like, dude,

783
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: he would hate you, like absolutely not. And in general,

784
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: like I'm respectful of your time. So there is this

785
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: dual thing where people are aware there are a lot

786
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: of people here who are listening, but they're not yet

787
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: ready to like engage with it on a mainstream level.

788
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: Why like what's going on there? In terms of I

789
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: almost want to call it a lack of respect because

790
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: It's like they want to pretend that you don't exist,

791
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: but they also have to reckon with it at some point.

792
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it's one more thing I don't

793
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: think about. I guess that's just me. Yeah, It's like, Okay,

794
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: Prince fucking Fauci, right, Like, why is Fauci commenting on

795
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan? What? Prince Harry openly attacked you for no reason.

796
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: I actually went to go listen to the episode and

797
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: I was like what. I was like, what does this

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00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: fucking guy have to say about Joe? He opened his

799
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: interview with Dak Shephard attacking it. That was the first

800
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: things that did you go to see what happened with

801
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan was terrible with Responsibility Platform, And I was like,

802
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: what is going on here? Right? Yeah? I don't know. Yeah,

803
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. Good luck to that guy. I think

804
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: something that really frustrates me whenever people criticize you is

805
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: that most of them don't actually listen to your podcast.

806
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: Listen to a clip, right exactly. So they have somebody

807
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: out there who's going to clip something to try and

808
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: make it look like shit, and then then it's gonna

809
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: go viral. But in general you think people in general

810
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: should get vaccinated. I think human beings should take every

811
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: step that they think is appropriate to take care of themselves.

812
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: I don't, in general think that. I think generally a

813
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: lot of people could do more to improve their health.

814
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: And this is one of the things that I talk

815
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: about more than anything, that we need to improve our health,

816
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: and it's something you can do, but it's something that

817
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: people look It's the only thing you have. Your body

818
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: is the only thing you have, and most people treat

819
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: it like shit. If your body dies, you cease to exist.

820
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: So all the things you have, all the things you

821
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: have in this life, are dependent upon your body functioning correctly.

822
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: And you you have agency in this like you can

823
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: do something about your body doing better. You can do

824
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 1: something about strengthening your immune system. You can do something

825
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: about your health, and most people choose not to, and

826
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,479
Speaker 1: there's been no emphasis whatsoever on public awareness of how

827
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: significant it is to take care of your body. I

828
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: heard you say something wants to make me really sad,

829
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: and it was that you can't save humanity at scale.

830
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: I can't remember who you were talking to, but you

831
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: were talking about I think it was about diet. I

832
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: think it was about ending factory farming and more. Do

833
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: you actually think you can't save humanity at scale, like

834
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: or are you talking in terms of your own influence

835
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: that you have. In terms of that message around health,

836
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: you know, there's no one human being where everyone's going

837
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: to listen. There's no one positive message. Hey, we should

838
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: just love each other. Hey, we should value community and friendship,

839
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: and we should take care of our bodies and be healthy. Hey,

840
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: fuck you. There's still one person that could say anything

841
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: where everyone's going to listen. But that is the most

842
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: significant factor. The most significant factor is doing things that

843
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: are positive both for your health and for your friendships

844
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: and for your community, and also like choosing a path

845
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: in life that is actually rewarding and satisfying. And that's hard.

846
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 1: It's hard for a lot of us. We talked about

847
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: on our podcast. Oh absolutely, it's a very difficult thing

848
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: to do. And this idea that you know everybody starts

849
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: at the same starting block is fucking total horseshit. And

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00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: that is something that people who are doing well like

851
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: to stick in the face of people that really were

852
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: dealt a really bad hand of cards. So the three

853
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: of us, we can't just snap our fingers. But you

854
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people are going to listen

855
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 1: to this if you were one of those people who've

856
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: heard you talk about I used to work one of

857
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: these jobs, just like it's working in these soulless cubicle jobs.

858
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: I had the ability, financial ability to be like I

859
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: have to get the fuck out of here, like I

860
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: have to get out. But there are a lot of

861
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: people who I left behind who are still there, like,

862
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: are still work. Let's talk about you guys, right, You

863
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: guys were in a situation where you were doing the

864
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: show for someone else, and there was a significant amount

865
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: of fear in leaving. But you had so many things

866
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: on your side. You had other people like myself and

867
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: Kyle and all these other people that loved you and

868
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: supported you that would be more than willing to help

869
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: promote you, people with a lot of influence. You also

870
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: had a tremendous amount of followers, both on your social

871
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: media and on your show itself. You had so many

872
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 1: things going. You have talent, you have the right morals

873
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: and ethics, You have a great insight to politics and

874
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: to the social issues, and yet you're still worried. Yeah. Now,

875
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: imagine if you're making fifteen dollars an hour, and you

876
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: have children to feed, and you have a you have

877
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: a dream, you have a risk, you have a thing

878
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: to do, and you're scared, and a lot of people

879
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: would advise you to not take any risks in that situation,

880
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: and that might be good advice because everybody's got a

881
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: unique situation. Everybody's situation is totally completely unique, and it's

882
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: it's hard always, but my advice is always, you have

883
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: to think of your life in terms of first of all,

884
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: it's a temporary situation. You have a finite amount of

885
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: time and it could be a good time or it

886
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: can suck. And if it sucks, you you have to

887
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: fight to change it as if your life depends on it,

888
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: because it really does, it really does. The quality of

889
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 1: your life depends on the quality of the experience depends

890
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: on it. And you've got yourself into a bad situation.

891
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: Like if you went down the wrong road. Okay, if

892
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: you're going if you have a destination to go to

893
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: and you're supposed to go left, but you fuck up

894
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: and you go right, and you go right for like

895
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: a couple of miles and you realize like, oh my god,

896
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: I went right. What do you do? Do you keep

897
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: going right? But do you stop, get out of the

898
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: car and cry No, you realize like, oh my god,

899
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: it's going to take me hours and hours and hours

900
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: to go back and turn around and turn a back. Yeah,

901
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: that's what you got to do. You've got to get

902
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: better the same way you got sick. You've been living

903
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: your life, if you've been living your life with a

904
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: bad diet or with a bad mindset, or you've been

905
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: living like blaming other people for your failures, you've got

906
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: to recognize that those things are not serving you well

907
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: and you have to back up and you have to

908
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: go left. You have to go the right way. You

909
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: have to figure out a way to get on the

910
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: right path. And for a lot of people, that kind

911
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: of change and that kind of alteration of these comfort

912
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: patterns that people fall into is extremely difficult to do.

913
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: But you've got to do it. You've got to do it.

914
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: It's the only way to do it, you know. And

915
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: this is it's easier to say. It's easy for me

916
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: to say because I'm an impulsive person who's reckless, and

917
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: I've always just gone whatever way I want to and

918
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: people have always given me advice don't do that. I'm like,

919
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: fuck you. And I've always done that always, from the

920
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: time I was a child. It's because I was a

921
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: lot key kid and my parents didn't really pay attention

922
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: to me. And my first success in life was doing

923
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: something extremely dangerous. It was doing martial arts competitions when

924
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: I was a young teenager. So for me, I was like, oh,

925
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm not listening to anybody now because this is the

926
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: number one thing in my life ever and it's the

927
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: thing that everybody told me to never do. And then

928
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: I became really good at it and it became my identity.

929
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: But then I realized, Okay, I can't do this anymore

930
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: because this is bad for my brain. I'm getting brain

931
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: damage and there's no future in this. I got to

932
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: get out. And then I started doing stand up comedy.

933
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna be a comedian and the same

934
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: thing everybody was telling me don't do that. Was that

935
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: a scary transition or you just did it? Yeah? No,

936
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: it was definitely scared. What What was that like, Well,

937
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: just you don't know whether or not it's gonna work.

938
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: Anytime you're you're going down, you're taking the first couple

939
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: of steps on a path with no certainty whatsoever. It's terrifying.

940
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: You know, you don't you don't know. But again, I

941
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: was twenty one years old, I was reckless, and I

942
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: had been accustomed to doing dangerous things, so it was exciting.

943
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: So I was like, well, let me just try this.

944
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: And again, there was no future in it. I did

945
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: not know whether or not it was gonna work. And

946
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: you know, the odds were when I looked at all

947
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 1: the people around me that were falling off that didn't

948
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: make it, the odds were not good. But I just

949
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: did it. So then I started doing everything like that,

950
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: and it kind of set a pattern in my life

951
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: where I just I'd follow my instincts. Does it seem

952
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: like a thing to do? Like what if I started

953
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: doing the podcast like my friend Ari famously, I always

954
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: mock him. So you got to edit it. You gotta

955
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: edit it's too long? I go, why, he goes, no

956
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 1: one's gonna listen to three hours? I go, don't listen,

957
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: and he's like, I want people to listen to your show,

958
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: trust me edit it. I'm not editing shit fuck off?

959
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 1: Well that that's the signature, though, is the three hour mark?

960
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: And actually set it changed, in my opinion, changed everything

961
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: about what people were willing to listen to. I think

962
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: the success of our long form showing more a lot

963
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: of it was born from that space, and that's why

964
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: I think about it a lot. Was it intentional? Were

965
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: you just like like the original ones with Red Band,

966
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: like the episode one and two and more? Like? When

967
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: did the three hour become part of the signature necessarily? Like?

968
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: Why why did you go three hours in the first

969
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: three After three hours, people have to pee? Got it?

970
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: But then why are movies only an hour and a half? Right?

971
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: Some Tarantino movies go longer? That's true, I think, honestly

972
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: it's true. Actually, I just feel like you gotta to

973
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: get an idea and really to really have a conversation

974
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: with someone and get into their head and find out

975
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 1: what makes some tick. You gotta it takes time to cook,

976
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: you know, you can't just microwave that shit. You have to. Like,

977
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: if you have an important, complex idea and you go

978
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: on see an then for five minutes and talked to

979
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 1: Chris Cuomo about it, You're fucked. It's not getting out right,

980
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: It's not It's like, ideas are like human beings. They

981
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: are like personalities and the history of your life. It's complex.

982
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on. If you're talking about something,

983
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is, whether it's the ancient history

984
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: or cosmology or these are complex subjects. You know, any

985
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 1: of things that are really interesting, they require like long

986
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: examinations of things, and even then you're just scratching the surface. Really,

987
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: you're supposed to go to school for eight years, you know.

988
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: It's there's a lot of benefit in long conversations. And

989
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: if I'm naturally anything, I'm naturally curious. I've always been

990
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: a very curious person, and that goes back to I

991
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 1: moved around a lot when I was a child. My parents.

992
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: We moved from New Jersey to San Francisco when I

993
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: was seven, and then we lived in San Francisco till

994
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: I was eleven, and then we moved to Florida when

995
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: I was eleven and we lived there for three years,

996
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: and then we moved to Boston and then we lived

997
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: I guess we lived in Florida for two years till

998
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: I was thirteen, and then we moved to Boston and

999
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: I lived there and that's where I started doing stand up.

1000
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: So I never had a chance to settle down in

1001
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: a place long enough to adopt everybody else's opinions. I

1002
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: had to form my own opinions on things. And I

1003
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time by myself. And so spending

1004
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: a lot of time by myself, I found things that

1005
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: I was interested in, things that I was genuinely curious about,

1006
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: and I pursued those things. And that's what gave me joy,

1007
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: and that's what gave me that's what fulfilled my interests.

1008
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: And so that sort of just spilled up into podcasts.

1009
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: Like if you asked me, like, what is the difference

1010
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 1: between what other people are doing and what I'm doing?

1011
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they're trying to do something that they think

1012
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: is going to be the thing that works, and I

1013
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: just did what I wanted to do and it just

1014
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: got lucky that it works. Yes, maybe a lot of

1015
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: people that just do what they want to do other

1016
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: people wouldn't be interested in it. Do you think if

1017
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: it hadn't taken off, you'd still be doing it? Like

1018
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: if it was still like five hundred people listening tuning in,

1019
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: do you think you would still do it? I don't know.

1020
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: It's a good question, honestly, it's a good question. I mean,

1021
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: in the beginning. My wife was always like, you don't

1022
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: have to do it, Like I have to do it,

1023
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: You don't have to do it. What was the impulse why?

1024
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: Like I think I forget it was already in that

1025
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: episode you did with the guy who inspired you. I

1026
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: forget his name where he Anthony Anthony? Is that you

1027
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: were inspired by going on a show? What was it

1028
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: about that free flowingness that something inside you was like,

1029
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: I gotta do that. You're like, I have got well.

1030
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: I always loved to go on those shows. I always

1031
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: loved to go on Opiing Anthony and Howard Stern and

1032
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: those kind of radio shows. Like when I would say,

1033
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: if I was gonna fly into Phoenix and do stand

1034
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: up for the weekend, I would do the local morning show.

1035
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: And I love doing it because you would just talk.

1036
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: They'd go, hey, Joe Rogan's here, blah blah blah, how's

1037
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: it going. I'd be like, oh, it's great, and like,

1038
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: what have you been up to? And I go, dude,

1039
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: I've been reading this book about zach Ryace all this

1040
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: stuff to talk about this wild stuff and they and

1041
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes people would say, hey, you should have

1042
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: a radio show. And I even got offered a radio

1043
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: show at one point in time, and I was like, oh,

1044
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,479
Speaker 1: I don't know about this, Like I'm just gonna get

1045
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: fired and and then I can't swear like it was

1046
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,959
Speaker 1: gonna limity. Yeah, right, and they'll they find the ship

1047
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 1: out of here. It's real like if someone says something wrong,

1048
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 1: like you can get a quarter million dollars fine or

1049
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 1: something crazy like Howard Stern. That's one thing that people

1050
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: don't give enough credit for. They find the fuck out

1051
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: of that guy. And he didn't care. He kept going,

1052
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: He kept going. But it's also like the company paid

1053
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: the fines because it was valuable to have him up.

1054
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: It was also kind of a badge of honor that

1055
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: this guy is getting fined by the government. And this

1056
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: is during the Bush days, right during the Bush administration.

1057
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 1: They went after him because of his influence. I just

1058
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,479
Speaker 1: it seemed like a thing to do. And then when

1059
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: you stream came around where you could just have a

1060
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,479
Speaker 1: webcam and just talking to a webcam and just fuck around,

1061
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: I thought it'd be fun to do. It was just

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00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: a fun thing, and then uh, it became a thing

1063
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: like all right, we're gonna do this every Monday. I'll

1064
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: see it Monday bye, and we like log off and

1065
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: laugh and go. That was fun, but it wasn't a

1066
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: thing where it was ever thought about, like this is

1067
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: going to be a career. So because of that, I

1068
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: just approached it. I just did it the way I

1069
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: wanted to do it. That's why when Ari was giving

1070
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: me advice, I wasn't listening at all, like because you're like,

1071
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: I don't care do it. But if Ari was today,

1072
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: which ironically he does three hour podcasts sometimes born if

1073
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: Ari was the Aria of Today and I was the

1074
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: me of then, I maybe would listen because he's got

1075
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: a successful podcast. I'd be like, oh shit, I did it, hmm,

1076
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: because no one had successful pod cast back then. I

1077
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: mean Maren had a podcast, and Corolla had a podcast.

1078
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: Maybe Corolla was number one because I think Corolla was

1079
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: coming off of radio and it was interesting to people

1080
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: that this guy who was the guy who took over

1081
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles for Howard Stern when Howard Stern went

1082
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: to satellite all of a sudden started a podcast and

1083
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: I went to do his show before I ever did

1084
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: a podcast, and I remember I'm like, wow, you do

1085
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: like a real show, Like you got microphones and cameras

1086
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: and shit, and you had a bunch of employees like, oh,

1087
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: this is wild, and then I started thinking like, man,

1088
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 1: maybe I should do that. But like when we started out,

1089
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: it was just a laptop, but it's been a completely

1090
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: organic rate of progression, all of it. No, think about it.

1091
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: One of the things I've never done. I've never advertised it.

1092
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: I never paid for advertisement. I never I just it's

1093
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: all word of mouth, one hundred percent. I never did

1094
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: anything to promote it. I never went on anybody else's

1095
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: podcast and said you got to watch my podcast and

1096
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: I said. I never did like a calculated press tour. Nothing,

1097
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: just kept doing it. If that's part of why people

1098
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 1: responded to it so much though, because everybody's so used

1099
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: to being pitched all the time in every aspect of

1100
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: their lives that I actually think that's one of the

1101
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: things that appeals probably, And I think people can tell

1102
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: if you're genuinely interested in what you're doing, and I

1103
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: think that comes out. It does, Yeah, if you're genuinely interested.

1104
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting people can can sniff out bullshit

1105
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: and fakeness better than like, human beings aren't that great

1106
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: at statistics or math or numbers or like any of

1107
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: that stuff. But I do think that there's a very

1108
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: good instinct in general for that sort of like genuineness

1109
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 1: and authenticity and like I can tell this person really

1110
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: means what they say. It's particularly obvious. In contrast, So

1111
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: if you took someone who's doing a late night talk show,

1112
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: late night late night talk show style, and you have

1113
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: them try to do that on a podcast disaster, it

1114
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: would be a But what it's like, it's like the

1115
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: difference between Howard Stern and morning DJs. Hey, coming up

1116
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: right now, we've got bla Bob Seeker and you know

1117
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: they play that's that's what those people have. And then

1118
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: Stern came along and he was himself and people are like,

1119
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: this is crazy, and that that was in contrast, he

1120
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: made all those other people look foolish, yes, because they

1121
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: weren't themselves. You know. So we talked about on the

1122
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: podcast before that that guy that's the seed of all podcasts,

1123
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: that guy, it's Hard Stern. What's funny to me though,

1124
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: is that in way Stern is responsible for Trump, Like Trump,

1125
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: you know, was on Stern all the time, kind of

1126
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,479
Speaker 1: being himself. And so when then I think about you

1127
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: and I try to think about your audience and like,

1128
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: maybe maybe the next president is born here. I have

1129
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: no idea, you know, I didn't have Trump on twice. Yeah,

1130
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: I know, two opportunities. I was like, uh h, so

1131
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: let's talk about that, because this is a yeah, a

1132
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: message out to all the politicians who keep asking me

1133
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: in order to connect me with Joe Rogan. What is

1134
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan's process and how he decides which politics? Because

1135
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: look like, what do Crenshaw, Yang, Taulsi and Bernie have

1136
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: in common? Well, that's a lot, okay, But then how

1137
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: do you define that? How do you look at somebody

1138
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: and say you're not full shit before you even get

1139
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: to meet them. I heard Andrew Yang talk and I

1140
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: saw the things he was saying. I didn't think he

1141
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: was a politician. I thought he was a businessman who

1142
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: had a unique idea. And Andrew's unique idea was that,

1143
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: first of all, I think he has good foresight to

1144
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: see that automation's coming and it's going to take a

1145
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: lot of jobs. And I think he's correct about that.

1146
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: Whether it's ten years from now or twenty years from now,

1147
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: it's something that needs to be addressed now before it

1148
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: gets out of hand. And also, as we talked about

1149
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,439
Speaker 1: on our podcast earlier, I think that there's a real

1150
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: benefit to something like universal basic income in that it'll

1151
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: allow people to take care of their basic needs and

1152
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: maybe those people can take chances and pursue a dream

1153
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: that they they would be outside of their reach. So

1154
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: that was Andrew with Tulsi. She just seems so genuine

1155
00:58:54,960 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: in so many different ways and so respectable. Right who

1156
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: was a congresswoman who served two tours of duty overseas

1157
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: in a medical union and and dealt with people getting

1158
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: blown up and shot, and she had seen it all

1159
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: and has so much integrity. If I've she was my

1160
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: number one choice, you know, I just felt like I

1161
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: felt like Bernie was more popular and had a chance

1162
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: at doing something different and changing things, and so I

1163
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to him. That's those are the type

1164
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: of people that I like to talk to. Crenshaw's and

1165
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: Navy seal. I have a deep respect for people that

1166
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: can do that. I have a deep respect for people

1167
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: that have served. Guy lost an eye, and even if

1168
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: I disagree with him on certain political opinions and positions,

1169
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: I have a massive amount of respect for the guys

1170
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: as a just as a human being and who he is,

1171
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: and I've hung out with him in real life, that's

1172
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: who he is all the time. Absolutely, What happened with

1173
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: the Trump what's the backstory there? And did you consider

1174
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: having him on? Did you like wag really coming back

1175
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: with it? They wanted me do it at the White House,

1176
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: and I want WHOA, I'm mad that? Oh my god

1177
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: d I mean if he had been willing to come here,

1178
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were in LA at that point,

1179
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: like consider if it can maybe I want to have

1180
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: thought about it in La, like to do like a

1181
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: real three hour thing. But either way, the problem is

1182
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: this is a it's a real problem in that I

1183
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: don't want anybody to be uncomfortable, and I don't think

1184
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: it's my role, Like if I'm talking to someone like him,

1185
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: there's some uncomfortable things that have to be addressed. I've

1186
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: interviewed Trump. I know exactly what we're talking about, and

1187
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: he actually hates to be pushed. So you'll have to

1188
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: be like mister president. He's like, you know, he gets

1189
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: pissed whenever you'll do it. But that's why you got

1190
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: to do three hours, right, That's true. You got to

1191
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: cook them right, but his staff make sure that they

1192
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: right exactly. I remember that they'd want to edit it.

1193
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: Oh of course. Fifteen minutes in underneath the resolute desk,

1194
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: his staff person is hitting me in the leg trying

1195
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: to get me to wrap it, and I was like, dude,

1196
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: I'm not fucking wrapping this thing. I was like, I'm

1197
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: gonna rap staff members hitting Bill Shine, the former head

1198
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: of Fox News, was sitting there smacking my leg trying

1199
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: to get me to wrap at fifteen minutes. Why because

1200
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: you're asking onto questions questions, right, and you know in general,

1201
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: they they just want you to come in, you get

1202
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: a little abide or whatever, and then he says whatever

1203
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: they want him to say that day, and then they

1204
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: want to be done because especially within God knows what

1205
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: the whole thing was not. It was not what I'm interested.

1206
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: It's not what I do. Like the idea of going

1207
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: to the White House and doing a twenty minute podcast,

1208
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: it's not a podcast. I mean, I know Portnoyd did

1209
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: it that way. He went there, but you know, for

1210
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: you for that too, I'm sure he did. But it's like,

1211
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in that. So I don't ever do

1212
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: things saying this is going to be a big episode.

1213
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot of numbers. I do things

1214
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: if I think someone's cool, someone's I'm interested in someone,

1215
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,439
Speaker 1: or I think what their their position is fascinating with him,

1216
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: it was like, I don't want to help anybody in

1217
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: this race. I don't I certainly don't want to help him,

1218
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: and I certainly don't want to help Biden. And uh,

1219
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: did the Biden people approach you? No? I think maybe

1220
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: early on. I don't remember. Before I got real controversial,

1221
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: before the presidential account. I remember being like, that's crazy, man.

1222
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: Before what when Trump tweeted out a click, I was like,

1223
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: that's yeah. Well that was because I said that I

1224
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: think of Joe Biden as having a flashlight with a

1225
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: dying battery going for a long walk in the woods.

1226
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: And it turns out I'm right, because that motherfucker's flickering

1227
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: right now. I just did a whole thing on that.

1228
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: I mean from so, if you're what's your advice then

1229
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: to the people who want to appeal to your demographic?

1230
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,919
Speaker 1: This is what everybody's like, mean, So for well, that's

1231
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: the thing, which is that you have influence over people

1232
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: who are right and left, I think probably predominantly male,

1233
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: but people all over the spectrum, all over the income

1234
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: There are uber drivers, and they are multi millionaires who

1235
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: listen to your show because we were reached out to

1236
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: by some of them after we went on your show,

1237
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:58,919
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is fucking crazy in terms

1238
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: of the amount of people that listened to Rogan. And

1239
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: the game in politics right now is everybody has the

1240
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: hard right lockdown and everybody has the hard left lockdown

1241
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: in terms of the base. But millions of people just

1242
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: fucking hate politics, and you seem to have tapped into

1243
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,479
Speaker 1: something there. So if you're a politician and you're listening

1244
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: to this, and I can guarantee you some of them will,

1245
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: what are they what's your advice to them? In order

1246
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: to try and appeal to the people who are fans

1247
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: of Joe Rogan. It's not my wheelhouse. I would send

1248
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: them to you guys like I don't know enough about

1249
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: the way politics works. Like when we did the End

1250
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: of the World podcast with Kyle like to have him

1251
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: on during the election, It's like, this is perfect because

1252
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: he expertly explained how it was going to go down

1253
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: and predicted incredibly accurately. He said you're going to get

1254
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: these early people that are voting for Trump because those

1255
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: are the people that are walking in and voting in person.

1256
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: The late ballots are all going to be the mail

1257
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: in ballots, and those are going to be the one

1258
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: for Biden. So there's going to be a lot of

1259
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: places where people think Trump is winning and it's eventually

1260
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: going to shift over to It's exactly what happened. That

1261
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: was super valuable. So when it comes to someone who

1262
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: wants to do anything politically, I would refer to that.

1263
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: And if I did have a politician on that I

1264
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: thought was some sort of polarizing politician, I might bring

1265
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: on someone like you, or you or Kyle or Jimmy

1266
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: Doore or someone who understands politics deeply. I do not.

1267
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: I'm too busy with other stuff, right, But you're also are.

1268
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: That's the crazy to me called I think all politics culture,

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Speaker 1: all culture has become politics. So like you have become

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Speaker 1: political in a way I know you don't want to be,

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01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: but like that's how people see you. Has that been

1272
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: frustrating for you? Like, as as as the podcast is progressing,

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01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: the only frustrating thing is the misinterpretation of my positions. Yes,

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01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: and maybe not. It's more of a misrepresentation than a

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01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: misinterpretation like that. I think they've just decided that I'm

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01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 1: a right wing, alt right character because I had Milo

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01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: Yanapolis on four years ago. There's things about that which

1278
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: ironically led to Milo getting canceled. That's right, it was you.

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01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: It was your show. I remember young boys and older

1280
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: gay men, and he was like saying that his his

1281
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: position on it was that it was okay, and that

1282
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: it was for him when he was young, that he

1283
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: was the predator. This is what he said, that he

1284
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: was going after the older men, you know, and a

1285
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: lot of people that was like the straw that broke

1286
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: the camel's back, which is but let's be honest, they

1287
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: were looking for something like that. Of course, people have

1288
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: been hunting him for years right before that happened. Yeah,

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01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: And you know, it's really weird, right because like, did

1290
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: you think he was phonny when you're interviewing him phony? Yeah,

1291
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 1: he's not phony. He's certainly doing a character, and he's

1292
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: he's certainly polarizing, and he's an attention seeker for yeah,

1293
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: for sure, Yeah, for sure, for sure. He's he's a

1294
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: showman in a lot of ways in a weird way.

1295
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: And the thing is he found this niche and see,

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01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,439
Speaker 1: this is where he gets in a censorship issue, because

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01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: it's really curious because there was a point in time

1298
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: where aggressive conservative not conservative right, right wingers, all right,

1299
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call them, aggressive people who opposed

1300
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: a lot of liberal ideology were dominating a lot of

1301
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: social media platforms. And before social media came in and

1302
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: checked it and started deleting accounts and banning people for

1303
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: using Peppy the Frog and all that kind of shit,

1304
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: they were dominating. It was wild West. I remember wild

1305
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 1: West thirteen fourteen, twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, or it's crazy

1306
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: in the marketplace of ideas. Are we supposed to let

1307
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: that happen? Are we supposed to let these people just

1308
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: battle it out? Or are we supposed to take away

1309
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: people that we don't agree with? And that's where it

1310
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: gets weird because there's a lot of like aggressively shitty

1311
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: left wing people now, because there's a lot of people

1312
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: that are behaving the exact same way or worse than

1313
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: Milo did, but they'll they're doing it against right wing people.

1314
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: And we find that, okay, we find that acceptable. But

1315
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: we found what Milo did to be completely unacceptable because

1316
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: the people that are in charge of tech platforms are predominantly,

1317
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: like overwhelmingly liberal, which is really interesting, Well are they

1318
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: liberal or are they Hollywood liberal? I think a lot

1319
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: of them are woke, let's call it about like pro

1320
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: union or but they're socially very liberal, right, the social

1321
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: liberal aspect of it in terms of what's tolerable and

1322
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: not tolerable, Like when Megan Murphy got kicked off of

1323
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: Twitter for life for saying that she's a feminist, and

1324
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: she got kicked off for saying that men who transitioned

1325
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: to women were dominating some feminist spaces and she got

1326
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: in some sort of beef with somebody and she said,

1327
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: but a man is never a woman, and they just

1328
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: like I remember, I think Timpoole pressed uh Jack Dorsey, Yeah,

1329
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, that was actually a very important moment.

1330
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: And I want to be very respectful of your time.

1331
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: And we're nearing the end of what we have you

1332
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 1: and I think the major question that a lot of

1333
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: people see I guess going forward is like ten years ago,

1334
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: you didn't see any of this happening, But now you're

1335
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:26,719
Speaker 1: dominating sports, You're dominating or look, you're top UFC commentator, right,

1336
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 1: you are the king of podcasting. You sell out stadiums

1337
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 1: as a comedian. Is there anything next ten years from

1338
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 1: now are you going to be doing all three? Like?

1339
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: How do you see your career progressing or not even career,

1340
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: your life progressing. I don't know answer. I think that's

1341
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, people think you have to have a fucking

1342
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 1: vision board, and no, you just have to grind. Yeah,

1343
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 1: you know. I'm a grinder. That's what I do. I

1344
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: get up every morning at seven o'clock. I do the

1345
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 1: same shit every day, whether it's working out or every

1346
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: night in the sauna. Like every I do, stand up

1347
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: every fucking chance I can. I grind, and I find

1348
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 1: that when I'm grinding things, good things happen. And then

1349
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 1: I just decide to either keep doing something or not

1350
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: keep doing something. There may come a time where I decide,

1351
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: when it comes to like UFC, for instance, maybe I'll

1352
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: just better off being a fan, you know, because one

1353
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: of the things that I loved more than anything was

1354
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 1: when I was living in LA we used to do

1355
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: fight companions. So we would we would get together and

1356
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 1: smoke pot and drink and watch the fights and just

1357
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 1: talk crazy shit. It was so much more fun. But

1358
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: I also have a deep amount of respect for the athletes,

1359
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: and I recognize that like being there and giving words

1360
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 1: to their performances and to honor them and to to

1361
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:51,799
Speaker 1: make it exciting and to just give some some verbal

1362
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: horsepower to the to the experience for people that are

1363
01:09:54,400 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 1: watching at home. I feel extremely honored. I also can't

1364
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: believe any of this is real. Like I can't believe

1365
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: that I'm doing these three things simultaneously. It doesn't even

1366
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: make any sense. Like Eric Weinstein said that he had

1367
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,759
Speaker 1: this funny conversation with somebody was talking about the UFC,

1368
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: and then he was talking about a podcasts and then

1369
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 1: they went, wait a minute, that's the same guy. And

1370
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: then I'm like, dude, I think like that all the time.

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01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: I feel like that when I show up at the

1372
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: UFC and I walk into the arena and I'm like,

1373
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: what am I doing? But then I put the headphones on.

1374
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: Then I'm breaking down techniques and going over movements and

1375
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: different things. It's like, I don't I just maybe if

1376
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 1: I was struggling, maybe it was the beginning of my career,

1377
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 1: I would have like an idea like this is where

1378
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: I want to be in ten years. But that's never

1379
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 1: what I've done. I've always just kind of like just

1380
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: kept going. And now what I'm doing is like people say, oh,

1381
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: what's your goal, and I'm like, I don't know. Like

1382
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: my goal. I like doing this, so it was long.

1383
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 1: Long as I like doing this, I'll keep doing this.

1384
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,640
Speaker 1: That's kind of what my goal is. I want to

1385
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 1: get better at it. All the things, whether it's better

1386
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: at stand up, better at podcasting, better at commentary, I

1387
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: want to get better at I want to make less mistakes.

1388
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: I want to make it more enjoyable for people that

1389
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: like it. I want to get better at it. And

1390
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, moments where I misspeak, where I have a

1391
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:25,640
Speaker 1: fuck up, or you know, people get mad at me,

1392
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,719
Speaker 1: Like I don't like those moments. That's not what I want.

1393
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: What I want is for people to enjoy it, you know.

1394
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 1: I don't want to give fuel to people that are

1395
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: just looking to get mad at me for something. I'm

1396
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: just trying to put together something that people enjoy. That's

1397
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: my one my goal. There's no there's no real agenda

1398
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: otherwise I don't want any more attention. One of the

1399
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 1: things I was hoping about Spotify was like, one thing

1400
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 1: will happen is I'll be less famous. I like it'd

1401
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: be nice way more famous. It was good. I thought

1402
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: it was gonna work either way. Well again, I know

1403
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:03,639
Speaker 1: we don't have you that long. Why do you think

1404
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: you got more famous because of Spotify? I feel like

1405
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: he became a household name after Spotify. I don't know.

1406
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's people realize there's a

1407
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 1: lot of money in this ship. Yeah, I think that

1408
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: was a big factor or people. It was like it

1409
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 1: was like one of those moments in a movie where

1410
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 1: the record skips because it was in Forbes and all

1411
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: this ship. It's just like whoa. And then the level

1412
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 1: of like weirdness in public ramped up considerably considerably And

1413
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 1: does that does that bother you? Or most people are nice? Yeah? No,

1414
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: I must say all people are nice, Like, no one's

1415
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 1: ever mean to be in public. They're almost always nice,

1416
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 1: Like this has been a couple of times too nice.

1417
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,759
Speaker 1: I bet sometimes people get weird. But you know, I'm

1418
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,759
Speaker 1: I work hard at being nice. I'm a genuinely nice person.

1419
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 1: I try to be nice all the time. So it's

1420
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 1: like most of the time I was just saying I

1421
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 1: to people, but it's weird. You have no anonymity. There's none,

1422
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: that's all. It used to be like some anonymity, but

1423
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 1: now it's like, oh, it died, you know. But I mean,

1424
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 1: I think you can get that back. You just get

1425
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 1: to vanish for a while. You know, maybe maybe that'll

1426
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 1: be the next tick. Would you ever go off the

1427
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: air for like six months, I don't know, Yeah, maybe

1428
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: that'd be crazy. I don't know. Maybe people would go

1429
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: through with you, I don't know, find somebody else. I

1430
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: think it's the thing about podcasting is, uh, it's not

1431
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: It's not any different than anything else, whether it's music

1432
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 1: or literature or comedy. There's gonna be more people, you know.

1433
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 1: And I think one of the real problems with some

1434
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: people in their ego is they really do believe that

1435
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 1: they're the only one that can do it, or they're

1436
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:54,640
Speaker 1: the best one that can do it, or there. But

1437
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 1: I think thinking like that and having that attitude ever

1438
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 1: at all, detracts you and distracts you from the ultimate goal,

1439
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 1: which is to always do your best. To always do

1440
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: your best is like, you know, you know the four agreements.

1441
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: Don Migueljuris so I love this book. It's like an

1442
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: amazing book. And uh. One of the four agreements is

1443
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: always do your best, be impeccable with your word, don't

1444
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 1: make any assumptions, don't take things personally, always do your best.

1445
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: And it's these are so it's so simple, right. But

1446
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: if you can like live your life like that, even

1447
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: if you haven't up until now, even if your life

1448
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 1: has been a cluster fuck of terrible mistakes and and

1449
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 1: FIBs and lies and deception and just and and hating yourself,

1450
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: if you can just follow those four things, you could

1451
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:49,639
Speaker 1: change everything. I really, really do, genuinely believe that I

1452
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:54,719
Speaker 1: always just try to do my best, and nobody hates

1453
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: my failures more than I do, like nobody believe. I

1454
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 1: think that's one one of the reasons why I can

1455
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: keep going. And I I don't sit back on it

1456
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: at all. I don't I don't like what I do.

1457
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 1: I don't like I'm not a fan of my own work.

1458
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just not interested in it. I'm I'm

1459
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 1: I'm interested in trying to get better at it. But

1460
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: it's not like I ever sit back and watch something

1461
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: like go oh, it's pretty fucking cool. I genuinely don't.

1462
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: I think that is completely I don't think it does

1463
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,560
Speaker 1: you any good. It's either good or it's not. It's good, congratulations,

1464
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 1: keep moving. That's how I look at things. And then

1465
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: I'm also interested in so many other things, you know,

1466
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 1: Like right now, even though I've got a lot of

1467
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 1: stuff going on, I'm thinking about this fucking workout I

1468
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 1: have to do tomorrow morning. Yeah, Like you know, I'm like,

1469
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: because i know it's coming, and then tomorrow I'm like,

1470
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: oh Jesus, and then once it But that kind of stuff,

1471
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:52,720
Speaker 1: like having things that I know I'm committed to that

1472
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: I know are brutal, and you either do it or

1473
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: you don't do it. There's no ifans or butts. Those

1474
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 1: things keep you grounded. Those things keep you rooted in

1475
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 1: the reality of the struggle. And I think that if

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Speaker 1: you do. I just think everybody has a different personality,

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Speaker 1: everybody has a different mindset and a different perspective on life.

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Speaker 1: But from my perspective, with me as a human being,

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Speaker 1: like me personally, I cannot I cannot be happy unless

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Speaker 1: I'm struggling. I have to have physical struggle, I have

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Speaker 1: to have mental challenges. I have to have things that

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Speaker 1: I'm doing that I'm working on trying to be better

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Speaker 1: at And as long as I do those things, then

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Speaker 1: I can appreciate all the other things better. Then I'm

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Speaker 1: a more loving husband, father, and friend, and I'm better

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Speaker 1: as a neighbor. I'm better at all those things because

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Speaker 1: I take care of all my bullshit. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's that's a and that's a There's a lot involved

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Speaker 1: in that. And health is involved in that too. I

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Speaker 1: think when people don't take care of their health, they're

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Speaker 1: not It's not just bad for them, it's bad for you,

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Speaker 1: all the other people around you. It's bad for how

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Speaker 1: you interact and interface with the world. It's like you

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Speaker 1: got to do your best with your body too. And

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Speaker 1: you know, if this doesn't just mean just get vaccinated

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Speaker 1: and Jesus Christ, like take care of yourself. You got

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Speaker 1: one meat vehicle. This is it. Joe, Thank you, Thank you,

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Speaker 1: you guys too, appreciate you. Thank you so much. Pleasure