1 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me, Frank Affney, the program 2 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country 3 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the 4 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: glory of God and His Kingdom. Well, we are grateful 5 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: to God that the Jewish holidays are at an end. 6 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: This has been a long, long haul, and I'm sure 7 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: that our guest who hails from Israel is mindful that 8 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: there's been a lot going on over this holiday period 9 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: in Israel, and I'm not entirely convinced that's an accident. 10 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: A lot of it is portentous for the Jewish State 11 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: and I think for our interests as well, and is promising. 12 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: We hope for the best of the fact that the 13 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: hostages who were still alive, about twenty of them were 14 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: released finally with this ceasefire engineer by President Trump. But 15 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: there's a lot of other things, a lot of other 16 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: moving parts, or perhaps not moving at the moment, parts 17 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: that we need to be focused on as well. And 18 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: I'm very grateful that we have Major Elliott Chodoff of 19 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: the Israel Defense Forces Reserves with us. He is a 20 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: combat veteran with great distinguished service. He is these days 21 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: a strategic analyst and commentator, notably with a podcast called 22 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: Conlicked Uncovered, and he's been a very, very faithful contributor 23 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: to our reporting on much of what has been happening 24 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: in the Holy Land of late and we're glad to 25 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: have him back online and a little the worse for wear, evidently, 26 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: But Elliott, thank you so much for joining us. It's 27 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: great to have you with us once again. 28 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: Oh, it's great to be with you. Frank. 29 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: Well, let me begin by asking you just sort of 30 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: to give a situation report, if you will, on the 31 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: state of the ceasefire. We'll talk about the larger ambitions 32 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: of this Middle East piece deal as it's called, but 33 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: just the first phase and what is supposed to be 34 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: happening in it and what you think is as well 35 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: as what's likely to come next. 36 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, the critical phase from Israel's point 37 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: of view was getting back the twenty Live hostages. This 38 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: was a point and there's a lot of nonsense out there. Well, 39 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: this is a deal that could have been closed a 40 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: year ago or a year and a half ago, and 41 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: simply not true. It's not true for a number of reasons. 42 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: And I think they're important to get out there. First 43 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: of all, the overall situation of Israel's enemies is much 44 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: worse today than it was a year and a year 45 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 2: or a year and a half ago. In other words, 46 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: the same deal today, even if the terms of the deal, 47 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 2: which they're not the same, But even if they were 48 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: the same, it's not the same deal because the world 49 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 2: is a different world, and there are things that Israel 50 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: could agree to today that it shouldn't have agreed to 51 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: a year ago. And even just going out on the 52 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: limb of saying okay, we're going to come ofss the 53 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: slack and give them a little bit room to get 54 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: back to twenty hostages is critically important. Let's also keep 55 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: in mind that the hostages in and of themselves are 56 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: were a multifaceted issue, a moral issue, and I don't 57 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: think there's any question. It's things that I've spoken about 58 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: over the past couple of years. Israel, Jewish ethics, Western 59 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 2: ethics of getting people out of hostage situations is a 60 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 2: value in and of itself, enhanced or exacerbated maybe by 61 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: the fact that they were taking hostage on our watch. 62 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: In other words, we failed. Let's you know, to be 63 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: very very straightforward about it. We failed, We were defeated 64 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: in the first hours of October seventh, and now we're 65 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: paying part of the price for that. And I think 66 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: that's It's not a nice thing to say, but it's 67 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: a reasonable thing to say. So getting them out and 68 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: closing that chapter, it was very important. Is beyond the 69 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: ethical and the value. It was an open political issue 70 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: in Israel. It was an open social issue. And I 71 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: say this all legitimately, even if I don't agree with 72 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 2: everything many things that the demonstrator demonstrators were saying, I 73 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: can't say I disagree with everything they were saying, but 74 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 2: this essentially ends that chapter. The quid pro quo of 75 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: an Israeli withdrawal is has a cost, but I think 76 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: much less than what's made out to be. Actually, let 77 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: me go back one step. The release of Palestinian prisoners, terrorists, 78 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 2: murderers and the like also a cost. And again in 79 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: both of these are parts of the cost of not 80 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: succeeding as we should have. But I would say that 81 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 2: given the overall situation that we're dealing with Hamas and 82 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: other terrorist organizations, the quantitative and even qualitative advantage given 83 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 2: to them by releasing these terrorists is well within the 84 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 2: value worth it to get the hostages back. And I 85 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: want to add to that parenthetically, the people who say, well, 86 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: Yehiah Sinoir was released in the Gilad Shalite deal and 87 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 2: therefore that is why October seventh happened, That's simply not true. 88 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: October seventh happened because the idea failed in its mission, 89 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: and Sinhoar was a conduit, not. 90 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:22,679 Speaker 3: The maker, if you will. 91 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 2: I mean he was personally, but there were others, his 92 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 2: brother Muhammed Deaf. There no shortage of terrorists coming back 93 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 2: to the Israeli withdrawal as well. The IDF is withdrawn 94 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: from areas that it was in. Is given hamas breathing 95 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 2: space in the cities in Gaza City and other places, 96 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 2: and that comes with a cost. But here we also 97 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: need to keep in mind there an IDF withdrawal even 98 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 2: from all of Gaza. And I'm not advocating, and I'm 99 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 2: trying to put a perspective on it. It's not the 100 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: same thing as an American withdrawal from Afghanistan. We're not 101 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: pulling out halfway around the world, requiring as of logistical 102 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 2: effort to go back. We're pulling back three, four, five, six, 103 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: eight kilometers, which is sort of tactical jumping space for 104 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: armored and mechanized units. It's a day of movement. So 105 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: all of that once again within what I consider to 106 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: be a reasonable price to pay to close the chapter 107 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 2: on the hostages and bring them home. Not surprisingly, and 108 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 2: I was certainly not surprised, Hamas already on the first 109 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: day began to violate the terms of the agreement, in 110 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: particular having to do with the bodies of hostages that 111 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: had promised to return in the initial agreement. They were 112 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: going to return all twenty eight. Then at the next 113 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: phase they said, well, we don't know where seven of 114 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: them are. We don't know where nine of them are, 115 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: and all lee. They returned four and then another four, 116 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: of which one was not an Israeli hostage. It was 117 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: a godsend dressed in an IDF uniform, and so on. 118 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 3: And so forth. 119 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: And here were they are still holding the vast majority 120 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: of the bodies of the hostages who were either taken 121 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: dead or murdered along the way. This is their game playing. 122 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: And by the way, Israel cut them a lot of 123 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: slack on this, and I think that part of it 124 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: has to do with wanting to maintain the agreement going 125 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 2: forward to get those bodies back. Part of it, I 126 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 2: think is also about not wanting to cross President Trump 127 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 2: at this point, but in saying that we believe and 128 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: this was the official statement that the body that they 129 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: returned that was not Israeli was a mistake, I don't 130 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: think it was a mistake. I don't believe it was 131 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: a mistake. So this is who we're dealing with. The 132 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: Part of the deal was for them to disarm. They've 133 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: stated openly they're not disarming. Part of the deal was 134 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 2: that they would not be part of the next administration 135 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: in Gaza. They're already moving in and murdering their opposition. 136 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: And these are all very very important and concerning issues, 137 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: and the murdering of the opposition in particular, and the 138 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: US tacitly accepting it is particularly problematic if we look 139 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: into the future. 140 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: I need you to hold that thought, Elliott. This is 141 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: a critically important point, and it sort of suggests the 142 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: larger question of some of these other breaches going to 143 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: be accommodated or otherwise countenanced by the United States government, 144 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: and what are the implications if they are stay tuned folks, 145 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: we'll be right back with La chode. We're back, so 146 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: is Major Elliott chodof Israel Defense Force Reservist. Men of 147 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: great experience both in uniform and as a strategic analyst. 148 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: We are always appreciative of his expertise and time, not 149 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: least that that he provides on his wonderful podcast Conflict Uncovered, 150 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: but also what he uncovers here. And Elliott I had 151 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: to interrupt you. You were making a critical point about 152 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: how things have gone to date on this cease fire 153 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: and some very troubling aspects of what Hamas is now doing, 154 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: and you were alluding to the fact that at least 155 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: with respect to the murderous attacks it's engaged in now 156 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:50,359 Speaker 1: against so called gangs in Gaza, is actually very problematic 157 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: for what comes next. Complete that thought of you. 158 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, well, President from yesterday or the day before 159 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 2: said something more the lines of, well, you know, they're 160 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 2: going after some really bad people, and he's right here, 161 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 2: let's not kid ourselves, the Dammush family or a bunch 162 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: of jihadi radicals. This is not good guy, bad guy. 163 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 2: So let's say in a vacuum, I wouldn't shed many tears. However, 164 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: it's not a vacuum. And I'm reminded of an American 165 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 2: experience in nineteen ninety one during the Gulf War. America 166 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 2: encouraged the Shiite uprising in Iraq and then left them 167 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: to hanging out to dry, and so Saddam massacred them. 168 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: When the American the US Army went into Iraq in 169 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: two thousand and three, in particular the one hundred and 170 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 2: first Airborne Division going into Najaf and then into Karbala, 171 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: trying to organize the locals who are Shiites against Saddaman, 172 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: against his Fadaid. They didn't want to have anything to 173 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 2: do with the US Army at that point. They have 174 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 2: long memories, which I think is perfectly correct. You didn't 175 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: support us back then, and why should we trust you? 176 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: This isn't about you know, you didn't support us, Why 177 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: why should we support you? You didn't support us, and 178 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 2: you let us get killed. Why should we trust you today? 179 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 2: And I see the potential of a parallel of that 180 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 2: in Gaza. If there's an interest in raising some sort 181 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 2: of power opposition, ground level, grassroots level to Hamas, letting 182 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: the massacre their opposition is not a good way to start, 183 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: and that that's really my concern. 184 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: Let me ask you to broaden the lens, if you would, 185 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: on what is reputedly in prospect here, which is not 186 00:13:49,880 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: simply an enduring resolution of the conflict in Gaza involving, 187 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: among other things, Turks and Egyptians with Katari money being 188 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: put into Gaza to I guess, maintain security and train 189 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: a police force and so on, which I consider to 190 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: be a very problematic idea. Honestly, I'd like to get 191 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: your thoughts about that, and then, you know it, maybe 192 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: observe a minute or two to talk a little bit 193 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: about whether the end of the three thousand year war 194 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: as is being described, is also now in prospect region. 195 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 2: Why so, first of all, to your first question, the 196 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 2: Turks and the Egyptians. Let's see, Turkey is a country 197 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 2: ruled by a man Erduan who has happily threatened to 198 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: bomb Tel Aviv. So having his troops not far from 199 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 2: Tel Aviv doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy. 200 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: The Egyptians have also referred to a as the enemy, 201 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: despite a peace treaty that we signed in nineteen seventy nine. 202 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: I'm talking about the current Assisi administration. They have violated 203 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 2: that peace treaty, the military parts of it in Sinai, 204 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: but not in sweeping numbers. Putting ten thousand Egyptian troops 205 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: in Gaza puts US back to pre nineteen sixty seven 206 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: when the Egyptian Army was there also on the road 207 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 2: to Tel Aviv. So I'm not feeling really good about 208 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 2: any of that. In addition, what I am even more 209 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: concerned with is that this so called peacekeeping stabilizing force, 210 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 2: and we could throw the Palestinian authority in on that 211 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: as well, is going to end up doing pretty much 212 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: what the United Nations Forces in Lebanon UNIFILD did visa 213 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: of the Israel and Hisbollah, and that is that they'll 214 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: protect the terrorists from Israel and not the other way around. 215 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: And while we're sitting on our side watching Hamas rebuild, 216 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: and whether it's doing it a ground or below ground, 217 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 2: and I mean that both literally and figuratively, when we 218 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: see it and we say to the Turks, hey, look, 219 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: they're they're building a rocket factory and they say no, 220 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 2: they're not. Or they'll find one out of every fine 221 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: quote unquote one out of every ten arms warehouse and 222 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: they'll blow it up. And say, look, we're doing the job. Meanwhile, 223 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 2: these guys I'm talking about Kamas are organizing and training 224 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 2: and arming, and if Israel does something, it's an attack 225 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: against Egypt and Turkey. I'm I'm not really happy with 226 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 2: that kind of an arrangement. 227 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: So I think the dangerous will be an understatement. Eliot, 228 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: let me just put it to a fine point. 229 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 2: Well, you know, basically, does. 230 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: This create does this create basically a situation on the 231 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: ground that could be perilous? Is yes, not. 232 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 2: Absolutely perilous? Yes, And I was certainly sarcastically understated, it's 233 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 2: absolutely perilous. It brought us the Risbola situation that we 234 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 2: defused this past year, which was potentially catastrophic, and it 235 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 2: can bring us the same there. Note in Lebanon, we've 236 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: taken a zero tolerance We're going to take it out 237 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 2: no matter what policy since the cease fire up there. 238 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: If we don't have that right, if we don't have 239 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 2: that legitimacy, we're going to be facing this again. And 240 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 2: I don't want to estimate three years, five years, whatever 241 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 2: it is, we'll be right back where we started from, 242 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 2: with a stronger commas, a better organized one, a more 243 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: experienced leadership than the last time around, because they learn 244 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: from their mistakes as well. 245 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: And the difference will be that in Lebanon you don't 246 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: have Turks and Egyptians precisely protecting the terrorists as you 247 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: say you would in much closer proximity to the heartland 248 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: of modern Israel. Ellie, this is this is very bracing 249 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: stuff because I think it's information that is not generally 250 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: being brought to the four in the you know, general 251 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: ebulliance that somehow we've you know, lanced the boil here. 252 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: It does seem to me that based on what you've said, Uh, 253 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: this is very fraught indeed, and that's if it goes 254 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: according to plant uh exactly, and. 255 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 3: It may not. 256 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: Let me just ask you. We're hearing reports that Iran 257 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: is busily re arming. 258 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 3: At the moment. 259 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: Uh. We have been told that that war is over 260 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: as well. What do you think are the likely prospects 261 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: now that Israel is going to have to act against 262 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: the Mullahs as well, it may have to act against 263 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: Tamas as well. 264 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 3: The war. 265 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: The war isn't over. Justice. The war didn't begin in 266 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 2: October seventh. The war began for Iran when Kromani came 267 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 2: to power and dedicated Iran to the destruction of Israel. 268 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: Hamas and Chrisbada exist to destroy Israel. And and here 269 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 2: I think an important point. These are terrorist organizations. 270 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 3: That's a label. 271 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 2: These are violent organizations. In other words, the Rezondetra is violence. 272 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: Just read their stuff, it's not It doesn't take a 273 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: great deal of effort. 274 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: It seems to me they're jihadist organizations. 275 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 3: Yes, absolute. 276 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: Worldwide? Is it not? 277 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely, Frank, one hundred percent correct. The point that 278 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 2: I'm trying to make is that this is an inversion 279 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,719 Speaker 2: of I'm trying to be more generic here, but I 280 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 2: agree with you one hundred percent. 281 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: I think I'm going to leave it at that, Eliot, 282 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: because we're out of time to qualify and disagreements we 283 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: might have, but come back. We're going to explore this 284 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: grade of length in the near future. But I so 285 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: appreciate your contribution to this program as well as to 286 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: the briefing that we will be doing as we speak 287 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: shortly one pm Eastern time on the Victory Coalition site 288 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: victoryco dot org. God bless you, my friend. Keep up 289 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: their great work and come back to us with updates 290 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: on all of this. We'll be right back, folks, stay tuned. 291 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 3: Welcome back. 292 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: We're going to turn next to communist China, the object 293 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: of I think it's fair to say growing concern and 294 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: not a little apprehension in official Washington at the moment. 295 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: We're going to talk with one of our countries in 296 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: the free worlds pre eminent experts on the subject. In 297 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: just a moment. Before we do, I want to give 298 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: you a little context from me. With communist China's announcement 299 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: of its intention to impose sweeping new controls on the 300 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: export and use of its rare earth and other critical materials, 301 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: Beijing is manifestly waging economic war, not just on us, 302 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: but the whole world. In a somber press conference with 303 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent in Washington yesterday, Trade Representative Jameson 304 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: Greer declared, quote, China's announcement is nothing more than a 305 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: global supply chain power grab. It's an exercise in economic 306 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: coercion on every country in the world. In response, prisident 307 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: Trump is threatened to impose a further one hundred percent 308 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: tariff on Chinese imports if the CCP proceeds. Secretary Vessint 309 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: helps to buy time. Suggesting we just de risk our 310 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: trade ties with China rather than decouple them. Depending on 311 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: our greatest enemy ever for anything important is insane. We 312 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: must stop underwriting the CCP and start fully decoupling. 313 00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 3: Now. 314 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: To test this proposition with one of our pre eminent 315 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: duty experts, as I've said, also a distinguished and very 316 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 1: very important contributing member of our Committee on the Present 317 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: Danger China. His name is Captain James Finnell, United States 318 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: Navy retired. He is, among other things, the author of 319 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: a best selling book, along with doctor Bradley Thayer, entitled 320 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: Embracing Communist China, America's Greatest Strategic Failure. He's a senior 321 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: fellow with the Geneva Center for Security Policy and just 322 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: an indispensable ally in the fight against the Chinese Communist Party. Captain, 323 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: it's great to have you board. Welcome with skincer. 324 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 3: Thanks Frank, good to be with you. 325 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 2: I wanted to. 326 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: Start with this proposition, Jim, and we're going to ask 327 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: you to make a contribution not only today's program, but 328 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: to an important webinar our Committee on the President Danger 329 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: of China is doing tomorrow at one pm Eastern time. 330 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: That would be Friday, we are going to be exploring 331 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: this question of whether we are in fact in an 332 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: economic war with China, among others, unrestricted warfare, people's war, 333 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 1: biological warfare, chemical warfare, and Sipian shooting war, all of 334 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: those are seemingly on the table at the moment, but 335 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: focusing in on this idea that we can somehow perpetuate, 336 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: at least for a time, this dependency that we have 337 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: on communist China for a whole host of things, rareerth 338 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: minerals being just one of them. I know you've got 339 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: some strong thoughts on the subject, especially from the point 340 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,719 Speaker 1: of view of the national security imperatives here, share them 341 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: with us, if you would please hertain. 342 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 4: Well, Frank, there's no question that we are in a 343 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 4: war with the People's Republic of China and specifically the 344 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 4: Chinese Communist Party. We have talked a lot about it's 345 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 4: a new type of a Cold war, but it is 346 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 4: now as you just described, it's gone to the next 347 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 4: level to where we can clearly see it's an economic 348 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 4: war that Beijing is waging against the United States, and 349 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 4: they're very adept at explaining that it's not targeted against 350 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 4: any one country. And they make all these kinds of statements, 351 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 4: But the fact of the matter is what they announced 352 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 4: by saying that you can't sell rare earth elements or even. 353 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 3: Sell them through a. 354 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 4: Third party, those are not allowed to be They've restricted that, 355 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 4: and that is clearly aimed at the United States Department 356 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 4: or Defense to make it impossible for us to be 357 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 4: able to produce the kind of weapons systems that we need. 358 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 4: Now for the viewers out there, yes, it's incredible that 359 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 4: we're dependent upon the People's Republic of China to be 360 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 4: able to produce our own defense materials and weapons of 361 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 4: war in this new War Department. So clearly that is 362 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 4: an area that we need to correct. But for those 363 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 4: who question whether or not we're in a war, we 364 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 4: just have to listen to the PRC's ambassador of the 365 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 4: United States who last night in what they call this 366 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 4: annual gala dinner that is hosted by the National Committee 367 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 4: on US China Relations in New York City, Ambassador Jifeang said, 368 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 4: China does not want to fight such a war, but 369 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 4: neither will we sit idly buy when our rights and 370 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 4: interests are harmed in the international economic and trade rules 371 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 4: as well as multi national multi lateral trading system are undermined, 372 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 4: so they're couching what they did as some kind of 373 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 4: defender of a new global order, but that they're also 374 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 4: being attacked by the United States. So they've openly declared 375 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 4: that they're in a war with US, and they're using 376 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 4: these measures to UH to essentially disarm America, and so 377 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 4: this is really a dangerous period that we're in. Heretofore, 378 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 4: we have been supplying the Chinese in what would be 379 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 4: a one sided economic war where we buy things from 380 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 4: China and that money goes into their wark offers so 381 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 4: that they can build this new aircraft carrier that launched, 382 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 4: you know, a fifth generation stealth fighter with electromagnetic aircraft 383 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 4: launch system before the United States of America, or the 384 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 4: Strategic Rocket Force that has all kinds of missiles supersonic, hypersonic, 385 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 4: long range, medium range, short range, and a host of 386 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 4: other military applications that we have been funding China on. 387 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 4: And now they're essentially doubling down and saying we're going 388 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 4: to continue to take that money from you because you're 389 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 4: going to continue to buy goods from the from China 390 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 4: and we're not going to allow you to have access 391 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 4: to the critical materials that you need to build your 392 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 4: own military. So they're going to continue to go up 393 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 4: and we're going to continue to go down at a 394 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 4: faster rate. And the ability to defend ourselves. Fortunately, the 395 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 4: Administration is aware of that, and the Department Secretary of 396 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 4: War and the Department of War is aware of that, 397 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 4: and we understand that we have to get and decouple 398 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 4: in this area. 399 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 3: I believe we need to decouple across all economic arrangements. 400 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 4: I don't even care if it's we're talking about retail 401 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 4: items like clothes or whatever. We need to get out 402 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 4: of supplying the People's Republic of China one thin dime, 403 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 4: which just need to stop it all together, because everything 404 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 4: that we give to them turns around and is used 405 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 4: against us. And right now China's believes by this action, 406 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 4: this should be a major signal to everyone in Washington 407 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 4: and to Americans, is that China feels comfident enough that 408 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 4: they can beat America and drive our economy into the ground, 409 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 4: destabilize it, and also to destabilize. 410 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 3: The dollar to make the dollar not to be used. 411 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 4: We just saw also along with this announcement about rare 412 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 4: earth elements, China told one of our treaty allies in 413 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 4: the Pacific Australia, Hey, we'll buy your iron ore Australia, 414 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,719 Speaker 4: which you supply much much to China and to the world. 415 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 4: We'll buy it, but we're only going to buy it 416 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 4: in our currency RnB, the yu won. So China's basically 417 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 4: saying we're going to make a major play in the 418 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 4: de dollarization effort, that we have our strategy to destabilize the. 419 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 3: American dollar and take it down. 420 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 4: And people have said for you know, the last thirty years, Oh, 421 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 4: that could never happen, that could never happen. 422 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 3: That could never happen. 423 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 4: They've actually been saying it mostly in the last five 424 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 4: to ten years. But these are the same kind of 425 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 4: arguments that were made that said, Oh, the Chinese will 426 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,719 Speaker 4: never have the military. Oh, the Chinese will never have 427 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 4: aircraft carriers. Oh, the Chinese will never send ships out 428 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 4: to the Gulf of Aiden, and if they do, they'll 429 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 4: never be able to operate in the sustain pattern as 430 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 4: they have for now sixteen plus years. Oh, they won't 431 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 4: be able to fly helicopters off the ships. Oh when 432 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 4: they did, well, well, they won't be able to fly 433 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 4: at night. Oh they won't fire flares or ordnance. 434 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 3: They've done all of that. 435 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 4: Everything our expert has told us about the PLA couldn't 436 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 4: do something. Over the last twenty five years, the Chinese 437 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 4: have demonstrated that they can do it. And it's I'm 438 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 4: afraid the same in the economic arena. All the economists 439 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 4: of the world have told us to China. Expert economists 440 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 4: have told us, oh, the dollar sound and we don't 441 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 4: have to worry about the Chinese taking the dollar down. Well, 442 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 4: ten fifteen years ago, the dollar was used by eighty 443 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 4: percent of the world. It's the world's trading currency. Now 444 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 4: it's down to sixty percent. Where will it be in 445 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 4: five years, Where will it be in ten years after 446 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 4: these kinds of conservative attacks like we're seeing forcing Australia 447 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 4: to sell their ore to China using R and B. 448 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 4: And I know there's conditions to it. It's not on 449 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,959 Speaker 4: every contract and as future contracts, there's specifics there. But 450 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 4: the strategic trend line is very clear that China is 451 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 4: moving to make the dollar useless. The gold, as everyone knows, 452 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 4: has gone through the roof, so they're going to shift 453 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 4: over to a gold based currency system. And China's been 454 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 4: buying gold for the last twenty five years like crazy, 455 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 4: and so China will move into an area and say 456 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 4: our currency is now reliable and stable. We have the 457 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 4: largest military, we have the strongest economy, we have the 458 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 4: Global Governance Initiative that the United Nations has bought into. 459 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 4: We support multilateralism. It's the United States that's the outlier. 460 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 4: It's the United States that's a unilateral actor of an 461 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 4: old era, of a post World War two era that 462 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 4: no longer exists. They're the ones that are painting this picture. 463 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 4: And Americans need to understand that we are still an 464 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 4: economic powerhouse. 465 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 3: And part of that is we need to stop buying 466 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 3: stuff from China. 467 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 4: Both consumers people that are watching this you're set elves, 468 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 4: the people that are literally watching this video. Stop buying 469 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 4: things from China and go and ask your stockbroker, where 470 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 4: is your money going that you invest in your stocks, 471 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 4: and if it's going to China, tell your stockbroker to 472 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 4: get it out. 473 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 3: The United States government under President Trump has just done 474 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 3: that with this Deminimus issue. 475 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 4: He said, Hey, no more flooding our market with chief 476 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 4: crap made from China via TEAMU in all these online systems. 477 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 4: We have to press back against this, Otherwise China could 478 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 4: win this. 479 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: This is a tremendously important laydown, and we're going to 480 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: tease out some of the component parts of it on 481 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: the other side of a very short break. I hope 482 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: you'll stay tuned for more with Captain James Finel, United 483 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: States Navy, retired, the co author of Embracing Communist China, 484 00:32:55,280 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: America's Greatest strategic Failure, talk about in particul kill her 485 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: the idea of underwriting all of this with our money 486 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: right after this is a very important message. We're back, 487 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: and so is Captain James fell and I says Navy retired, 488 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: a distinguished naval intelligence officer. Throughout his long and well 489 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: storied career in uniform, he has continued to do vitally 490 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: important work raising the alarm about what the Chinese Communist 491 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 1: Party is up to, what, in particular, we are helping 492 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 1: it do militarily to pose an ever greater threat to 493 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: our country, to our vital interests, and to our allies, 494 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: not just in the Western Pacific, but increasingly worldwide, and oh, 495 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: by the way, to us right here in the United 496 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: States as well, as we discussed in a very important 497 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: committee on the present Danger China webinar to which Captain 498 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: Vannell contributed last week. You can find it at Presentdangerchina 499 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: dot org. It's about the enemy within the threat we 500 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: face from China right here side our wire. Jim, I 501 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: did want to just hone in on one thing that 502 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: you touched on at the very end of the last block, 503 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: and it seems to me vitally important. Unbeknownst to the 504 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: vast majority of American investors, under Joe Biden's mentoring, the 505 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: United States government in twenty thirteen gave communist China uniquely 506 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: access to our capital markets without having to be complying 507 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: with our securities laws or regulations. No American company has 508 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:45,479 Speaker 1: that latitude, No company from any other country, for that matter, does. 509 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: Only companies associated with our mortal enemy, the Chinese Communist Party. 510 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 3: This is so. 511 00:35:54,200 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 1: Absurd and indeed obscene that it fis imagination that that 512 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: could have been done, you know, twelve years ago, let 513 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: alone that it is still allowed to operate. As a result, 514 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: we have companies in our stock markets both you know, 515 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: listed there and traded their A shares among other things. 516 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: We have no idea whether they you know, have actual 517 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: financial you know, credibility and reliability, whether they're a fraud, 518 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: whether they're a decent investment or a true liability. And 519 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: I just wonder again from the perspective of a military man, knowing, 520 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: as you say, what we've been doing not only by 521 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: buying their stuff, but by giving them this kind of 522 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 1: financing place estermates you know, maybe two or even five 523 00:36:53,800 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: or six trillion dollars worth over this period. And you've 524 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: pointed out that money like that is fungible, and a 525 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: lot of it seems to be winding up and building 526 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: the threat with which they intend to destroy this country. 527 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: I just would ask you to emote, I guess, on 528 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: the insanity of this particular practice and the need to 529 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: end it forthwith. 530 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, Frank, this kind of you know, decision making in 531 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 4: Wall Street. You know, you can imagine you can be 532 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,399 Speaker 4: sitting in a boardroom and somebody's making the argument, well, 533 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 4: this is going to make us a lot of money. 534 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 4: And I could understand that to a degree, but somebody 535 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,399 Speaker 4: in the room needs to be saying, Okay, so we're 536 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 4: going to give this money to who, how are they 537 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 4: going to get it? Why don't they have to follow 538 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 4: the same fiduciary responsibilities and rules and regulations that every 539 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 4: other American company has to follow, and we're just going 540 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 4: to allow the Chinese Communist Party to do this. 541 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 3: What will be the end result of that? 542 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 4: And I don't think anybody in will Washington ever, or 543 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 4: in Wall Street ever wants to ask that question. The 544 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 4: people that I talked to in Wall Street don't seem 545 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:07,439 Speaker 4: to want to. 546 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 3: Ask the question. 547 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,959 Speaker 4: And the answer is, when they get that capital, they're 548 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 4: able to leap fraud technologies because they've stolen our intellectual 549 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 4: property that we've given away a lot just through unclassified 550 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 4: sloppiness and loose lips and publishing so much in our 551 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 4: government reports and our annual DoD budget and things of 552 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,399 Speaker 4: that nature, that. 553 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 3: They've gleaned and learned. 554 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 4: And they have spies over here in our university system, 555 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,959 Speaker 4: so they're able to take a lot of information leap 556 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 4: frog from it. And then they get this huge injection 557 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 4: of cash US dollars, not their own cash, which is 558 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 4: much more powerful, and they're able to essentially ramp up 559 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 4: and build the largest navy and air force in the 560 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 4: world right now, the largest strategic rocket force. 561 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 3: They're able to do things that no other nation can do. 562 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 4: We the United States States of America are in a 563 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 4: fight inside the Pentagon over the future of our navy, 564 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 4: and we have serious people saying, well, we got to 565 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 4: get rid. 566 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 3: Of aircraft carriers because they cost too much. They don't 567 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 3: know what we're going to get. 568 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 4: They say, well, we'll get something like drones and unmanned systems. 569 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 4: But our carriers are too strong, are too expensive, so 570 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 4: let's get rid of those and we'll do something else. 571 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 4: So we're penny pinching on our national security. Well, China 572 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 4: is a wash in money like we used to be 573 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 4: in the eighties when President Reagan rebuilt our military and 574 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 4: the six hundred ship. Maybe the Chinese are in that 575 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 4: same position. They're just pumping out as they have a 576 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 4: saying that, you know, making ships is like make like 577 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 4: a cook in China makes dumplings. They just make them 578 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 4: by the hundreds. And so China has been doing that 579 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 4: and it's high quality stuff. As I mentioned earlier, they're 580 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,280 Speaker 4: flying now stell Fighters fifth generation off this third carrier 581 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 4: that they have, we've now seen the imagery of a 582 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 4: fourth carrier is now clearly identified. So they already have 583 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 4: four carriers, you know, in various stages in about a 584 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 4: thirteen year period, they're going gangbusters like we did at 585 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 4: the start at World War two, and so we need 586 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 4: to wake up that we by doing these things that 587 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 4: people like Jamie Diamond and Larry Fink and all their 588 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 4: grand global money digitization and all that they want to do, 589 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 4: tokenization of currency and all of this. It all sounds great, 590 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 4: it all sounds great to the shareholders, but in the 591 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 4: end it's death because China will use that money to 592 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 4: destroy us. 593 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: This is hugely important. This is hugely important, Keptain, and 594 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: I so appreciate your clarity on it. Let me pick 595 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: up on one other thing that you mentioned, because it's 596 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 1: operating and I think we have very little sort of 597 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 1: focus on it at the moment, and we need to 598 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: amp it up considerably. This is the idea of global governance. 599 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 1: It is often dressed up as you know, working with 600 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,879 Speaker 1: the United Nations and helping advance its agenda. You circulated 601 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: today a commentary out of one of the Chinese propaganda outlets, 602 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: you know, committing to you know, sort of revisiting the 603 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:34,240 Speaker 1: founding premises of the UN so as to advance this agenda. 604 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: Talk to us about what the Chinese have in mind here, 605 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 1: We're actually going to do this on the other side 606 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 1: of a short break. We'll be right back with Captain Finil. 607 00:41:44,520 --> 00:42:37,800 Speaker 1: Stay tuned. We're back, and so is Captain James Finnel. 608 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: Praise the Lord. We are visiting with him about the 609 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: main thing, as he calls it, the focus of his 610 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 1: latest book with Bradley Thayer, Embracing Communist China, America's greatest 611 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:56,279 Speaker 1: strategic failure. It is the subject of running commentary that 612 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,839 Speaker 1: he does, among other places at American Greatness and This 613 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: of course and others, and we're so grateful to him 614 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 1: for his time. Kaptain, I was just asking about global 615 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: governance as an agenda of the Chinese Communist Party and 616 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:15,240 Speaker 1: how it fits into this larger, larger agenda the CCP 617 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: has had of well, global domination. 618 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 4: Yes, Frank they jesupingg when he came to power, he's 619 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,480 Speaker 4: unleashed these four global initiatives. The first was the Global 620 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 4: Development Initiative to develop the world's economies with them leading it. 621 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 4: Then the Global Security Initiative, which is about you know, 622 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,080 Speaker 4: their own security and running a global security system that 623 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 4: they control and regulate. And then they had the Global 624 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 4: Civilization Initiative, which is essentially this promotion of Chinese han 625 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 4: civilization and through the Communist Party, and then now just 626 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 4: in the last couple of months here he's announced this 627 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,720 Speaker 4: global governance initiative. In today's People's Daily, the official paper 628 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,440 Speaker 4: of the Chinese Communist Party, came out with an article 629 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:11,280 Speaker 4: entitled revisiting the United Nations Founding Aspirations working together for better, 630 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 4: better global Governance, and then it goes on to explain 631 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 4: why what the United Nations was founded upon was essentially 632 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 4: the same thing is what the. 633 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 3: Chinese Communist Party is founded on. 634 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 4: And they're just they're in a alignment, is what they're 635 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 4: telling us, because they all want to have global governance, 636 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,320 Speaker 4: except the Chinese are very clear that their global governance 637 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 4: is based on socialism, what they call socialism and. 638 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,439 Speaker 3: Communist ideology. 639 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,760 Speaker 4: And so that's the real threat, is that China's aspirations 640 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,720 Speaker 4: for global governance are an aspiration to impose a social 641 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 4: credit system like we saw, like we see today in China, 642 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 4: what we saw during COVID, a global health kind of 643 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 4: mandate and control. 644 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 3: It will go into. 645 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 4: Every facet of your life and digital identification and all 646 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 4: of that. 647 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 3: And so this is where China is headed. 648 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 4: And they're now got their talents firmly implanted in the 649 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 4: United Nations, and they're promoting with the Chinese Communist Party 650 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,880 Speaker 4: rites and talks about on a daily business basis, and 651 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:22,280 Speaker 4: what their leadership says is repeated in the United Nations forums. 652 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 4: And so what we're facing is a kind of years 653 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 4: of neglect where both of our parties were so enamored 654 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,760 Speaker 4: with engagement with the Chinese Communist Party that we failed 655 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,120 Speaker 4: to recognize that we were inviting the fox into the henhouse. 656 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 4: And now we are in a bad position in some ways. Fortunately, 657 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,959 Speaker 4: President Trump is combating these and starting to point out 658 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 4: that these are not overtures for the goodness for everybody, 659 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,360 Speaker 4: but these are overtures to have complete control and dictate 660 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 4: your freedom and liberty. And that's really what this is about. 661 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:02,280 Speaker 4: It's a contest of ideology where it's either American freedom 662 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,360 Speaker 4: for every individual or you're under the rule of a 663 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,800 Speaker 4: totalitarian state that treats you as a part of a group. 664 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,399 Speaker 4: Whatever your group is, they will group you and put 665 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 4: you together and say, Okay, this group is no longer 666 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 4: valid in society for whatever reason, and we're going to 667 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 4: put them in a prison or whatever they will do. 668 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 4: They will do that to nations as well, and we've 669 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,560 Speaker 4: seen them do that. They're doing it right now to 670 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 4: the Republic of the Philippines just this week on Sunday, 671 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:35,320 Speaker 4: almost a week ago, on Sunday, Chinese Coast Guard ships 672 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 4: openly rammed and attacked Filipino Bureau of Fisheries and Agriculture 673 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,440 Speaker 4: ships in the South China Sea unprovoked. 674 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:45,680 Speaker 3: The Filipino ship was at anchor. 675 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,759 Speaker 4: Chinese ship just went right at it right of the blue, 676 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,160 Speaker 4: said we've told you we don't want you here. 677 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:52,840 Speaker 3: You're not obeying our rules. 678 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,120 Speaker 4: These are international rules that we say that, that's how 679 00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 4: they're interpreted, and we're going to take you out. And 680 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,200 Speaker 4: they do it with every other We've seen it, from 681 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,719 Speaker 4: Norway to the South Koreans, to the Japanese certainly to Taiwan, 682 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:11,240 Speaker 4: to Australia. They will do it India, and they're doing 683 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 4: it to us and the economic. 684 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,280 Speaker 3: Arenas we've talked about earlier. 685 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,839 Speaker 4: So we are in a war with China and there's 686 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,279 Speaker 4: no more of this trying to play it, you know, 687 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:22,480 Speaker 4: down the middle anymore. 688 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,279 Speaker 3: We can't negotiate our way out of this now. 689 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 4: The President may be doing that Tobias time, so that 690 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 4: we can decouple from some of these critical areas like 691 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,560 Speaker 4: rare earth elements or medicine or other things. But we 692 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,319 Speaker 4: have some real tools in our toolkit. China needs food. 693 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,719 Speaker 4: They import their food and energy. So if they get 694 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,200 Speaker 4: too out of line, the president of the United States 695 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 4: has the ability to bring China to its knees and 696 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,440 Speaker 4: to say, guess what, you get, no more food? 697 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 3: Deal with that for a while. 698 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 4: Gee, and I would expect that this president, if he 699 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 4: gets pushed too far, will not be adverse to using 700 00:47:58,640 --> 00:47:59,880 Speaker 4: that when the time comes. 701 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 3: That's my hope. 702 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is well. It just requires a mindset that, 703 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, is well indeed hardball and aimed at actually 704 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,879 Speaker 1: protecting our country. I think at the end of the day, 705 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 1: Jim and I'd be interested in your take on this too. 706 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:26,080 Speaker 1: Given the agenda of the Chinese Communist Party, which is 707 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,360 Speaker 1: world domination, its express purpose is the destruction of this country, 708 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 1: do we really have any alternative, if not in the 709 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,680 Speaker 1: most immediate future, certainly in the not too distant one, 710 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,799 Speaker 1: of trying to help bring about the end of the 711 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,399 Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party, the liberation of the people of China, 712 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:56,279 Speaker 1: with whom we have no I think serious, you know, dispute. 713 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,200 Speaker 1: They have at least as much of an interest as 714 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,399 Speaker 1: we do in ending this regime that has brutally repressed them, 715 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,319 Speaker 1: and that is indeed threatening us. 716 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 4: Your thoughts, sir, Well, Frank, I mean, you know, the 717 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 4: talk of regime change and all that gets people that 718 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,440 Speaker 4: you know to kind of have a bad taste in 719 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,200 Speaker 4: our mouth over the last thirty forty years or longer. 720 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 4: So I'm reluctant to talk about regime change. I will 721 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,200 Speaker 4: just say we should be doing everything in our power 722 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 4: to defeat the Chinese Communist Party because they're a party 723 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,319 Speaker 4: that is said, we want to destroy you. 724 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,280 Speaker 3: So to the extent that we're doing things that are going. 725 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,600 Speaker 4: To destabilize the Chinese Communist Party, I'm all for it. 726 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,239 Speaker 3: How it gets done and the fashion that gets done. 727 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,840 Speaker 4: Maybe the President doesn't say it for a lot of 728 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 4: different reasons, but the fact of the matter is we 729 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,280 Speaker 4: need to defend of the American people and our allies 730 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,920 Speaker 4: and friends, and that's what we should be doing, and 731 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,320 Speaker 4: that means standing up against these bullies in Beijing. 732 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: Amen, Well said, sir, and I know it's agreed by 733 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:08,319 Speaker 1: which you've lived and argued vociferously for decades. I know 734 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,120 Speaker 1: you'll keep it up. We look forward to having you 735 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,359 Speaker 1: back to do that with us next week. We look 736 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,919 Speaker 1: forward to talking to the rest of you next time. 737 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,080 Speaker 1: Until then, go forth and multiply. 738 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:42,799 Speaker 4: M m hmm.