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Speaker 1: And welcome to Tuesday's they should a Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully had a very RESTful Memorial Day weekend. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: back in the mix here on Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: I am re energized, re energized. He is Paul the Tino.

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Speaker 1: You know that. I am Lance Meadow. Two zero five

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Speaker 1: one three is the telephone number. Hashtag giants Chat. We'll

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Speaker 1: get your calls, get your tweets in a few minutes.

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Speaker 1: Let's start though with the latest from O t A

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Speaker 1: s as they took part in another O t A

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Speaker 1: just wrapped up practice. We heard from head coach Pat Shermer.

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Speaker 1: Also b J Goodson just addressed the media. Let's start

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Speaker 1: though with the news of the day, Paul, and that's

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Speaker 1: Landon Collins and the fact that he was running on

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Speaker 1: the side, working out a little bit, and then towards

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Speaker 1: the tail ends started to take part in seven on

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Speaker 1: seven drills wearing a red jersey like the quarterbacks. No contact.

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Speaker 1: Obviously that goes without saying, but it seems as if

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Speaker 1: that's a sign of progress where we thought maybe we

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Speaker 1: would to see him until training camp. Yeah. Coach Shermer

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Speaker 1: said he was surprised and he's doing better than they

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Speaker 1: thought he would at this point, would not commit to

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Speaker 1: how much he'll do at the mini camp June twelve

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Speaker 1: through the fourteenth, but in fact wouldn't even commit to

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Speaker 1: training camp starts at the end of July. No definitive

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Speaker 1: timetable at this point. Wants to just be real safe

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Speaker 1: and cautious about this, but yes, the fact that Collins

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Speaker 1: at least did some running around out there was certainly

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Speaker 1: a good sign for him and for the Giants well.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of players looking at the bounce back from injury,

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Speaker 1: we did hear from b J. Goodson, and Goodson was

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Speaker 1: plagued by injuries last year. After a really strong start

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Speaker 1: against the Dallas Cowboys. He seems to be very comfortable

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Speaker 1: with this new defensive scheme. He did not want to

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Speaker 1: give away much of anything in terms of where he's

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Speaker 1: But for somebody that hasn't necessarily had a great deal

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Speaker 1: to this point those injuries have dramatically affected his production

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Speaker 1: and basically have led to what is a disappointing start

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Speaker 1: So I think he really just wants to close the

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Speaker 1: book on those things. And he kept saying, I'm looking forward,

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Speaker 1: He was very happy to announce that, and the fact

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Speaker 1: that he is also healthy. I put a smile on

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Speaker 1: his face as well. He did say that there'll be

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Speaker 1: more taking onlineman in the three four scheme. He does

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Speaker 1: share responsibilities now for running the defense with Alig Ogletree,

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Speaker 1: the veteran who came in off the deal from the Rams.

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Speaker 1: He said that's not a problem. He's understood on Ogletree's career.

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Speaker 1: He's watched him. Um, he has learned from him. He's

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Speaker 1: are trying to accomplish, which obviously is a big theme

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Speaker 1: for this team overall, especially a lot of the returning

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Speaker 1: So that was certainly an encouraging sign. Same to see

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Speaker 1: Landon Collins on the field in terms of just some

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Speaker 1: highlights from practice. Overall, quarterbacks are continuing to rotate, so

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Speaker 1: nothing different than what we've seen in previous practices. And

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Speaker 1: men separating themselves from the boys. Not much of anything now. No,

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Speaker 1: And and to be honest with you, even Shermer, who

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Speaker 1: because until they get pads on and until they hit,

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Speaker 1: kind of great to put on Eric Flowers. To this point, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Until he gets physical in the trenches during practice, going

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Speaker 1: also Addielie Apple in there too, because uh Sherman was

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Speaker 1: he was looking to move on and mature. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what Shermer said about him today. It shows a

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Speaker 1: And as far as on the field, Sherman's told the

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Speaker 1: came out of Ohio State. Eli Apple has skills. He

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Speaker 1: because his toolbox is full. Now it's all about putting

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Speaker 1: He had a terrific pass break up over the middle today,

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Speaker 1: It's about doing it consistently. That's the name of the game.

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Speaker 1: Same thing with d J. Goodson, who's not necessarily in

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Speaker 1: opener against Dallas. Right, Paul silled up this that cheap,

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Speaker 1: that productive asset on the team. So that's what he's

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Speaker 1: but be that reliable guy next to alec Ogletree that

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Speaker 1: up the phone lines two zero five one three two

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Speaker 1: zero one four five one three. Tim is in New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: He gets us going on Tuesday's edition to Big Blue

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Speaker 1: Kickoff Lock. What's happened to Tim? Nothing? I got I

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Speaker 1: know our questions? Well, the Giant signing with Hell Beckham

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Speaker 1: do to a six year contract gainst section and signed

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Speaker 1: letting cancer by you contract astension Alright, Tim, Well appreciate

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Speaker 1: the phone call and and Pat Shermer was asked about

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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham's contract and whether or not he's concerned that

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Speaker 1: if it continues to carry out with no new contract,

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Speaker 1: basically referred to Paul what Dave Gettleman had said when

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Speaker 1: necessarily an urgency fact there. And it's no different Paul

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Speaker 1: than some of the other previous giants that they've dealt with,

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Speaker 1: on his mind are the numbers involved in a particular

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Speaker 1: player's contract. That's just not it's not his cup of tea. Okay,

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Speaker 1: same thing. Um, here's what I will say, um in

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Speaker 1: Beckham Jr. Was not here. Coach was asked about them

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Speaker 1: And Sherman also said he was aware of Lights Tacks

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Speaker 1: was he had said that weeks ago. Well, Snacks was

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Speaker 1: that are happening. There are obligations. Okay, there are times

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Speaker 1: Feagles and say, Jeff, can you do the show next

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Speaker 1: It happens. Okay. So these are voluntary sessions, and not

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Speaker 1: or wrong. It's just an idea. But that. The The

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Speaker 1: other issue I had was my thing was I understand

429
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Speaker 1: the safety part, and I said it before. This has

430
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Speaker 1: been set for years. The players are getting bigger and stronger,

431
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Speaker 1: so it's not a lot of room. The field is

432
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Speaker 1: the same size as as always, so everybody's bigger and faster.

433
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Speaker 1: So my thing was, if we don't want to get

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Speaker 1: rid of the kick, there's another option. It's not right,

435
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Speaker 1: it's not wrong, it's just something I through out there.

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Speaker 1: Why not just knock it down to seven between seven

437
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Speaker 1: and nine guys on the field. That means instead of

438
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Speaker 1: the field getting bigger, it gets bigger in the sense

439
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Speaker 1: of number of people on the field. So if you

440
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Speaker 1: can separate that, and I thought, maybe maybe you take

441
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Speaker 1: away directional kicks or kickoff or kick returns, because a

442
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Speaker 1: lot of times what happens is we're always telling guys, okay,

443
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Speaker 1: this is a return right, return and left, and so

444
00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 1: we're we're getting blocking set to run in those directions.

445
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Speaker 1: What is that gonna do. That's gonna bring more people

446
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Speaker 1: in those directions, which some of the injuries are gonna happen.

447
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Speaker 1: So if you can eliminate that in the sense of

448
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Speaker 1: saying okay when you can tell once the kickoff happens,

449
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: the way they set up which direction that they're going

450
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Speaker 1: to run. If you can keep that no more wedges,

451
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: no more holing hands, it's most likely going to be

452
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 1: one on one blocking less people on the field. It

453
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: opens it up, is a better chance for what everybody

454
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Speaker 1: likes is the kickoff return. It gives it the chance

455
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Speaker 1: to get out there. Maybe it won't be as many

456
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Speaker 1: injuries because there's not as many people out there. But

457
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Speaker 1: how about this. I hear what you're saying, and there's

458
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Speaker 1: a good philosophical basis for your comments. So how about this.

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Speaker 1: What if you just clean that whole thing up and

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Speaker 1: you outlaw directional kickoffs and say that any kickoff that

461
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Speaker 1: goes outside the numbers is automatically as we do now,

462
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: when a kickoff goes out of bounds penalty penalty, ball

463
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Speaker 1: goes over, thirty ball goes on or the forty or

464
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Speaker 1: whatever whatever yardline you want to make it. Why don't

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Speaker 1: we do that if you want to eliminate too many

466
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Speaker 1: bodies on one side of the field during your kickoff,

467
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Speaker 1: because that does create more clutter, more contact, more collisions,

468
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Speaker 1: and more injuries. How about we guarantee now that all

469
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Speaker 1: return kickoffs are gonna wind up being inside the numbers.

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Speaker 1: How about that, Well, in that case, I would guarantee

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Speaker 1: if it goes outside the numbers, I won't put it

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Speaker 1: at the forty like doing the kickoff, because we're not

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Speaker 1: a pound should be two different rules. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: what yarde Okay, fine, you know that would philosophically be

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Speaker 1: a way to help what you're talking about. Well, then

476
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Speaker 1: under those circumstances, I think most people are gonna aim

477
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Speaker 1: to kick it in the back of the end zone

478
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Speaker 1: anyway to just get the touch back because there's not

479
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Speaker 1: really gonna be much of a difference between the touchback

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Speaker 1: and the penalty exactly exactly. But then in the case,

481
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Speaker 1: in that case, we all get what we want. We

482
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Speaker 1: got the kickoff and the safety part to it. If

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Speaker 1: they kick it in the end or then kick it

484
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Speaker 1: in correct, their choice, They have the option to do that. Yeah, yes, no,

485
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Speaker 1: I think those some of those suggestions make sense. I mean, I'm,

486
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Speaker 1: for one, I don't think it's necessarily a big issue.

487
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Speaker 1: I would leave the kickoff period because I think it's

488
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Speaker 1: a huge part of strategy, and we were talking about

489
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Speaker 1: job opportunities. But you know, I'm curious to see what

490
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Speaker 1: this new alignment is going to do to the kickoff.

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to see, because remember, it's not

492
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Speaker 1: just necessarily the amount of people, it's they're telling them

493
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Speaker 1: they gotta have five on each side whether or not

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Speaker 1: they're gonna get down the field quick enough. Will this

495
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Speaker 1: given opportunity for more returns? Will it not? I want

496
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Speaker 1: to see the first few games to see the true

497
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: impact that can do wrong. I want to see Coach

498
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: Marvin have a sit down with Commissioner Goodell. That's what

499
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Speaker 1: I want to say. We can work on the parameters

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Speaker 1: for that meeting in the upcoming weeks. Thanks appreciate, you

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Speaker 1: got it all right. Let's hear from Scott in New Mexico. Scott,

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Speaker 1: what's happening? Hi, guys? How are you doing what you

503
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Speaker 1: got for us? I was listening to NFL Network this

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Speaker 1: morning and they had dan Orlowski on and he was

505
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Speaker 1: talking about the ability of running backs to pass block

506
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Speaker 1: and a couple of them were kind of interesting. He said,

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Speaker 1: how important For example, Kevin Falk was Tom Brady invisibility

508
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Speaker 1: to pass block? He mentioned theo Rittack. But the one

509
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Speaker 1: that surprised me as he considered the best pass blocker

510
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Speaker 1: at least says backs go Is Levy on Bella Pittsburgh,

511
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Speaker 1: And I was wondering with the Giants how much emphasis

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Speaker 1: has put on that for pass boxing, because I don't

513
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Speaker 1: remember sharing with schemes in Minnesota. So do you think

514
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Speaker 1: the Giants is going to concentrate on that aspect for

515
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Speaker 1: all the backs that they have. It has been of

516
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Speaker 1: utmost emphasis for years in this organization and quite frankly,

517
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Speaker 1: in a lot of NFL organizations. If you can't help

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Speaker 1: pass protect your quarterback, in most cases, you don't get

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Speaker 1: on the field. Right. You've seen the O T O

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Speaker 1: T S. I don't know if they concentrate on past

521
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Speaker 1: blocking in that segment. There has been some recognition drills

522
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Speaker 1: going on, where like Barkley said, he's even been talking

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Speaker 1: to Eli about those blitz pickups, and they've gone out

524
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Speaker 1: there and they've run some of those actual schemes, and

525
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: Barkley did step into the right position showing that he

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Speaker 1: was recognizing that the rush was gonna be coming. So

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Speaker 1: they're very pleased to this point with what appears to

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Speaker 1: be an early recognition by Barkley. Now, remember something when

529
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Speaker 1: Barkley was at Penn State. His running backs coach and

530
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Speaker 1: his sophomore season pulled him aside and said, young man,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have a future in this game. You're gonna

532
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Speaker 1: go pro, but you better learn how to pass block now,

533
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Speaker 1: because if you do, it's gonna make your pro career

534
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: that much better. So Barkley embraced that, and as a

535
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Speaker 1: sophomore at Penn State he began to concentrate on pass protection.

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Speaker 1: He added that to his game now, even though he

537
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Speaker 1: didn't have to do a lot of it at Penn State,

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Speaker 1: it's something he's been working on now for at least

539
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: a couple of years. And so he's ahead of a

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00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: lot of rookies who get into the NFL having only

541
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Speaker 1: been ball carriers. Remember we were talking about um who

542
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: the San Diego State running back Penny Right, Well, he

543
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: did there was carried the ball and catch the ball,

544
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: mostly carried the ball. They never asked him to do

545
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: any past protection whatsoever. The experience is different. So now

546
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: he's coming into the NFL naked. There's something now that

547
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: he has no experience with that he's going to have

548
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: to start from square one. That's gonna be tough for him.

549
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Speaker 1: But if they put Barkley out on the wing, which

550
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: obviously they're going to do. What about Wayne Goldman and Stewart?

551
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: Are they good test blockers? Do they have to work

552
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: on that? In regard to that, Steward's good at it,

553
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: We know that from his days in Carolina, and Goldman

554
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 1: showed a propensity to be able to do it last year. Well,

555
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: they put him on the field on during down last

556
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: year because they had confidence that he could pass protect

557
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Speaker 1: and you know, Goldman to me made similar strides as

558
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Speaker 1: Pa Perkins. Maybe immediately it wasn't there, but as the

559
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: season went on, he slowly improved in that department. I

560
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: think all three main running backs have experience in that department,

561
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Speaker 1: and Scott. I mean, there is no coach that will

562
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Speaker 1: tell you, regardless of their scheme, that they will not

563
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: emphasize to all running backs that they have to have

564
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: awareness on the field and they have to no assignment.

565
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: So I mean, even if Dani Rolobski wants to go

566
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Speaker 1: through a laundry list of every running back that played

567
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: in the NFL and rank them, there is no such

568
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Speaker 1: running back that comes into the NFL and is told,

569
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Speaker 1: don't worry about past protection. We'll just put you off

570
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: the field and you just you know, find your way

571
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: and navigate your way through it. Everybody has to have

572
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: some semblance, remember something. The running back in reality is

573
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: a football version of a goaltender because he's the last

574
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: lot of defense between the defensive player and your quarterback,

575
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: and if he misses his assignment, you're in trouble. Right,

576
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Speaker 1: One more question with the rules change, does that make

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Speaker 1: it more amenable for somebody like Sclon Barkley to be

578
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: the kick returner because again, uh, you're not gonna be

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Speaker 1: able to take a running start, so as the balls

580
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: kicked deep, obviously, so quarantine's ability to run in a

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Speaker 1: long way. So I was wondering, do you think the

582
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: Giants will gravitate towards that or is there somebody else

583
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: in camp that might take over that spot. Well, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call, Scott, and thanks so much for

585
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: weighing in. I personally don't think it's going to change

586
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: the philosophy for the Giants. Actually, Pat Shermer was asked

587
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: that very question and he said he didn't really think

588
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: it was going to change roster decisions because they're still

589
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: gonna be athletic guys in coverage. Now you asked about

590
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Speaker 1: the return game. I still say with the chance of

591
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Speaker 1: guys taking hits, Paul, even with the new rules, you

592
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: can't expect that nobody's gonna get hit. They're still going

593
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Speaker 1: to have the mindset of do we want to expose

594
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Speaker 1: our top weapons to some of those additional hits. And

595
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: Sherman made it clear even when they drafted Barkley, He's

596
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Speaker 1: gonna get work in that department, but they're not gonna

597
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Speaker 1: now go out of their way to make him the

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Speaker 1: main guy. Mike west Off, who may or may not

599
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: come back with the Saints this year as their special

600
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: teams coordinator. Remember he was hired at the end of

601
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: last season or late in the season by Sean Payton.

602
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: He come out of retirement. He's the former Dolphins and

603
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: Jet special teams guru. He was on Serious x M

604
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: NFL Radio today. He was very good in talking about

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Speaker 1: the rules changes, and he said he believes that the

606
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: speed burner kick returner is going to have an advantage

607
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: now and he thinks they'll be more kickoffs return than

608
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: in years past because of the way that a they're

609
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: spreading out the blocking, which is one of my concerns okay,

610
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: which gives more creases on the field to the return guy,

611
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: had less time for them to get down the field too.

612
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: And in addition, they're not getting the running start anymore.

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Speaker 1: Remember they've taken that out because they want to reduce

614
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: the collisions and the impact of those hits. When you

615
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: do that, you give a great advantage to the kick

616
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: returner because a not only does he have more seems

617
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: to go through, but he's gonna have all the momentum

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00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: of the running start, with the quickness and the acceleration

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Speaker 1: that he can use over those guys on the kickoff

620
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: coverage team who are not getting that start, and in

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Speaker 1: a lot of cases are bigger defensive players who can't

622
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Speaker 1: accelerate as quickly as the short uh jitterbug or firefly

623
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Speaker 1: who might be used on the kickoff return team. So

624
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: west Off was very strong about I think speed is

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00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: really going to be a huge asset for guys who

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00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: are gonna be doing kickoff returns this year. With that

627
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: in mind, maybe Hunter Sharp, who got to the Giants

628
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: during the middle of last season receiver. He's a small, shifty,

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Speaker 1: smurf kind of guy who has tremendous quickness. If they

630
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: figured that that's the way this is gonna shake out.

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Speaker 1: Hunter Sharp may all of a sudden kind of move

632
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Speaker 1: up a little bit on that depth chart. He might

633
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Speaker 1: wind up being the kickoff return guy, which could mean

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00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: on game day he winds up getting a jersey over

635
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: the last guy on the wide receiver depth chart. Well,

636
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Speaker 1: I mean they have Cody Latimer. They brought him in,

637
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: so I mean I I don't sense him as the

638
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: speed demon on kick because he may not be the

639
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: speed guy Sharp would be. But I I still think

640
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Speaker 1: that if it comes down to simply just keeping Hunter

641
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: Sharp because of his speed, and they don't necessarily have

642
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Speaker 1: a great deal of faith in him as being a

643
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: reliable wide receiver, I mean, to me, that's a wasted

644
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: roster spot pole. I still depends on how much go

645
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: with the guy who's gonna give you a little bit

646
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: more depends on how much value you're gonna put on

647
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: your kickoff return team. If your strategy is gonna be

648
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: we want to return those kickoffs and that's gonna be

649
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: a big part of our field position and what we want.

650
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: We want to break him. They're gonna go with the

651
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: fastest guy they can get back, and I'm with you,

652
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: but my mindset would be Barkley, Beckham, Lattimer. I got

653
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: three options. Oh, I don't think no, no. I I

654
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: know he may do a little bit of that because

655
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: he did in college. Beckham's not a kickoff return guy.

656
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: I have a punt return I know he's not. But

657
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: I think that there's enough talent and skill on this

658
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: team that I can adapt those guys to those roles.

659
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: And listen, this is just my opinion. I would have

660
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: the same philosophy as Mike tom lyndon the Steelers, and

661
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: Tonio Brown is one of my best weapons. I'm not

662
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: holding him back. I would use Beckham and Barkley, and

663
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm get how many opportunities ab does punt returns? Does

664
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: he does it? He does punt returns. It's a different animal.

665
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: It is a different animal, But honestly, it's I don't

666
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: think it's that different that you can't get a guy

667
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: to have reps in practice to adapt to that. But

668
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: it is different enough that you know, use ago when

669
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: I was a kid, guys did both and then and

670
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: then it got separated and now it's like, no, you

671
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: don't ask your part return to the kickoff return. It

672
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: just doesn't happen well. But I also think part of

673
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: that is I agree with you, Paul. You're right, they

674
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: used to do the same, and that's why I'm not

675
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: trying way for it. But I think the reason why

676
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: they have this separation of what I like to call

677
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: church and state is because of just they don't want

678
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: the bats to go up. I mean, I'm using the

679
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: big ball analogy. They just the hits that the guy

680
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: takes over the course of the game, they feel they're

681
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: gonna hear the player. So I think that's more of

682
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: the rationale Pall why a guy like Beckham and Barkley

683
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: may not be used in those roles. It's not so

684
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: much that they can't do it, it's just Paul does

685
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: come down. It does know. But but you're gonna tell

686
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: me that a guy like Barkley and Beckham can't handle that.

687
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I'm saying. Let's see how

688
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: it shakes out, folks. I think they could. It's so

689
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: it is. But I do think the Giants have some

690
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: options which the Giants did not run. They don't run

691
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: kickoff return in these uh in these drills, they do

692
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: run part return. Guys who were out there today on

693
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: Part return. A Hunter Sharp was out there. Uh, let's see,

694
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: Travis Rudolph was out there. Uh, Mike Jones was out there. Uh,

695
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 1: Sterlink Shepard was out there. Who else was on Part return?

696
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: Joe will Davis was out there on Part return and

697
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: so was Calif Raymond, who also had that role somewhat

698
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: last year. Those who are all the different Those were

699
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: the six guys who were out in Pump Return four

700
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: Nation today at the O t A. All right, let's

701
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: head back to the lines two one, five, one three.

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Speaker 1: He's pulled the teena online Spide thanks for tuning into

703
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: Tuesday's edition A Big Blue Kickoff Live. Andre is in Rochester, Andrea,

704
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: what's happening? Hey, how's it going? Guys? All right? What

705
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: do you got for us this? Because the league as

706
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: turnings so much since the past Happy League? I was

707
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: just wondering who um since DRC was gone, who was

708
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: dr fastest corner? And do you think William Gay is

709
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: outgrade from d r C. That's a good question. I

710
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: think William Gay is a nice insurance blanket in terms

711
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: of experience in the same ballpark as d r C.

712
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: I would still give d r C the edge in

713
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: terms of production. I think DRC was still playing at

714
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: a high level. I think William Gay, over the course

715
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: of his career has been moved from the outside to

716
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: the inside to help preserve his career. So I think

717
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: DRC gives you a little bit more versatility even at

718
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: this point in his career. But I do like the

719
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: fact that William Gay has far more experience than any

720
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: other corner on these rosters. Yeah, I don't think Gay

721
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: right now has the physical skill set that DRC brings

722
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: to the table, but I do think for what the

723
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: Giants want him to do to play the slot, he

724
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: can effectively do the job. Um. But beyond that, I mean, yeah,

725
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: I I still think DRC has a place in this league.

726
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: His length, his speed, his savvy. Um. I'm a big

727
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: DRC fan. I don't mind telling you that, and I

728
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: would love to see it work out somehow some way

729
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: that he could come back here. To be honest with you, well,

730
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: I need think get in the word and get well,

731
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: it depends on you know what DRC is thinking. And

732
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call, thanks so much for Wayne. And

733
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: there was some chatter right after he got released that

734
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think the Redskins he was meeting with

735
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: and he took some meetings, but nothing ever comes to

736
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: disrespect a veteran of his experience probably isn't too anxious

737
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: to get into a camp these days. He might want

738
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: to wait till some of the eight ninety degree days

739
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: of July and August have passed. And also there's always

740
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: gonna be an injury, unfortunately, and a team is going

741
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: to look to perhaps add a veteran defensive back, just

742
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: like Leon Hall was added to the Giants right there.

743
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: And he will certainly try to maximize his economic opportunities. Absolutely.

744
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: In terms of the first question that he asked, who's

745
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: the fastest corner with DRC no longer on the team,

746
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: I mean, one guy that I know is blazing fast,

747
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: but you know I haven't seen enough of it with

748
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: the pans and the helmets on is I mean Teddy Williams,

749
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: who they signed from the Panthers. The guy's got a

750
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: track background, so I mean he's one of the guys

751
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: that comes to mind. Just if you're looking for a

752
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: pure speed guy, I would be shocked if he's not

753
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: the fastest guy. Yeah, I mean that would be the

754
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: first guy that would come to mind. But you know,

755
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: there is a distinct difference, Paul, between speed without the

756
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: helmets and the pads on, and then the speed play speed. Yeah,

757
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: so you know those are two different things. I got

758
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: a hunch his play speed is not the fastest guy.

759
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: But but in just terms of pure slid out sprint speed,

760
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: if it's not Teddy Williams, I don't know who it is.

761
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm with you there. Dan is in Delaware. As we

762
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: move along here on Big Blue Kickoff Line. How are

763
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: we doing? Dan? Hey, guys, how are you right? Um? Yeah,

764
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: I just had a comment about the O T A

765
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,959
Speaker 1: s and then, um, since you guys were talking about

766
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: the the onside kicks and the kickoff rules, I'm I

767
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: just wanted to say one thing that I had heard

768
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: someone else make a suggestion. It was intriguing to me.

769
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how uh practical it would be to

770
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: pull it off, but I just want to run it

771
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: by you. Um. But for the O T S, you know, um,

772
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: I know you know when you say like they're not

773
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: they're voluntary and you know, and it's only May, and

774
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: we don't want to make too big of a deal.

775
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: But I gotta say, from a fan perspective, I I

776
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,479
Speaker 1: actually have liked basically everything that I've heard and seen

777
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: um out of these O T A s. I mean,

778
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: I don't know truly what goes on in the locker

779
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: room and everything, but I'm one of the people that

780
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: had really been blast in Flowers. And if you would

781
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: have asked me at the end of the season, I

782
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: i would have said it was probably like fifty fifty

783
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: or worse that Apple would even be on this team

784
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: going into this season, just the way it all ended.

785
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: So I'm pretty happy with you know, Gettleman said you

786
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: don't give up on talent, and then Sherman has embraced

787
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: the clean slate um method here, you know. And it

788
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: seems like the players, at least, like I said, from

789
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: a fan perspective, just seeing what we see in the

790
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: reports and what these guys say publicly when they're asked,

791
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: uh the player, I'm hearing what I want to hear

792
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 1: from the players and from the coaches out of these guys,

793
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: you know. And I know it's May and it's early

794
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: and they haven't really gotten into anything you know, substantial yet,

795
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: but you know, you hear Eli Apple. He seems like

796
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: he's taken his ownership and accountability for what he did

797
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: last year and how he wants to move on. Um,

798
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: I'm seeing reports that, you know, Eric Flowers has been

799
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: working with Nate Soldier after these otis and just whatever

800
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: they're doing, you know, it's it's on their own time

801
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: basically at that point. So to me, that's all positive.

802
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: So you know, I know that they don't not in

803
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: pads and they're not doing what you know, much of

804
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: whatever they're doing, but at least from off says, it

805
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: gives me optimism and it makes me feel good to

806
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: see those types of things, especially with Flowers and Soldier.

807
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: I even heard today Wheeler was working with some too

808
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: after practice. I think it was Wheeler was the name

809
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: that I read. So it's just that that stuff gives

810
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: me a positive and optimistic feeling going forward. So you know,

811
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: there's still value. There's still value from these O t

812
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: A s even though maybe they're not getting the work

813
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: in that they would get, you know, when when it's

814
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: when it's UH mandatory or when the path go. I

815
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: think it's fair to say that in individual situations sometimes

816
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: there can be more value than in other situations. I mean,

817
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: quite honestly, you know, I'm just gonna pull Eli Manning's

818
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: name out of a hat. Eli Manning has probably seen

819
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: everything there is to see in a career. And you know,

820
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: if he would have missed an O t A because

821
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: a bad flu ankle surgery, that's true time through that.

822
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: But I was gonna say, let's say he had bad

823
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: stomach flu and food poisoning and he had a missing

824
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: O t A for the day because he was bedridden.

825
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody would panic about that, you know

826
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: what I mean? No, Yeah, it wouldn't have that Eli Manning,

827
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: But you know, you're still Eli's presence being out there

828
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: could help someone else who's there, like Wide Receiver or

829
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: Barkley or somebody like that. You'd rather have everybody around

830
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: all the time. I'm not gonna say otherwise. The point

831
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: is how much of a detriment is it? Yeah, a

832
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: particular guy misses a couple here and there. It's it's

833
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: not as big a deal as many of the scribes

834
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: would like to make it. Yeah, and that I can

835
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: get down with that. I mean, my only point was

836
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: this coming off the last year, and I don't know

837
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: what was going on in the locker room. I have

838
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: no idea, but we were three and thirteen things fell apart.

839
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: Everything you heard was negative and bad, and you know,

840
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: coaches lost. You know, I don't know all the stuff

841
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: that went. All I'm saying is what's one on now?

842
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: What I'm seeing seems like the players are embracing the

843
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: fresh start, like Shermer is. You know, when you see

844
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: a guy like Flowers, I mean, it can't be easy

845
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: for Flowers too, when they bring a guy like Soldier

846
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: and you're basically saying, yeah, you're being replaced. This is

847
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: the guy taking your job. And when your first round draft,

848
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: pick your top ten and we're gonna ask you to

849
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: do this, and the fact that he is working with Soldier,

850
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: and so to me, it's just overall, I just feel

851
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 1: it gives me a little bit of optimism and stuff.

852
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: Maybe you have a positive, but I think it's a positive,

853
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, And I get where you're coming from, Dan,

854
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you you're looking at what happened last season,

855
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: you look at some of the dramas surrounding the team,

856
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: and you just feel as if everybody is a little

857
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: bit more optimistic and will and direct with one another.

858
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: I get that, But I'm also an agreement with Paul

859
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: that I find it very interesting and not what you're

860
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: bringing up. But you know, when the media tends to

861
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: focus on a guy not being president O t A. Today,

862
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: it's made twenty nine. I want to know the last

863
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: time that a writer who wrote a story about a

864
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: guy missing an OTA that brings up that in Week

865
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: five of the NFL regular season, the reason why the

866
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: Giants lost the game in Week five or week six

867
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: was because this player wound up missing an O t A.

868
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: On May twenty nine. And that's what I mean by

869
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: putting things in perspective. Now, this is the only thing

870
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: we have to grasp on too. We have nothing else

871
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: to talk about other than Twitter, and the electronic media

872
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: age does not allow for perspective. Well, but this show

873
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: does at least very little qualm. Is an earthquake exactly

874
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: so well, that's why I think it's relevant to what

875
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 1: Dan brought up. And I get it right now. Dan's

876
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: looking through this lens and we can only look through

877
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: this lens too. But in the big picture of things,

878
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: while everything looks great, and I agree with you, the

879
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: interaction is positive and it's nice to see players putting

880
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: in the time after I just don't know if what

881
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: we're seeing now is truly going to have any indication

882
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: of what's going to happen in Week seven or week

883
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: ad come this season. Yeah, and you may be right.

884
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I like what I'm seeing it, and

885
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: I feel like some of the problem child players that

886
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: I think we're the problem child players. Last year seemed

887
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: like Dave had an attitude shift. And again it could

888
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: just be words, and it could just be that it's

889
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: may but anyway, it's what I would want to see.

890
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: Only put it like that, I'm not doing anything to

891
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: make me feel worse about the situation. To make I

892
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: feel better very much. Do I get to talk about

893
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: my kickoff thing? Real quick? Quick, go ahead, real quick? Yeah.

894
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: I think it was I think it was Greg Shiano

895
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: that proposed this, so this would get rid of the

896
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: kickoff um, and I know he's had a lot of

897
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: time to think about this and it affected him personally

898
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: with Eric Legrand and everything, and his suggestion if I

899
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: got this right, was you would eliminate the kickoff, and

900
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: every time you score a touchdown or a field goal

901
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: and you were gonna would have kicked off, you start

902
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: I don't remember what yard line, but you'd start on

903
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: whatever yard line and you'd actually run a play and

904
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: it would be fourth and something, so that fourth down

905
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: could be okay, well, then we're gonna punt it, so

906
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: they would punt it off instead of kicking it off.

907
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: But if you, in the sense wanted to do an

908
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: on site kick, you could. It's a fourth and whatever.

909
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: I don't know, seven or fourth and tent. I don't

910
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: know what the down with the distance would be, but

911
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: you would actually run an offensive play and and go

912
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: for it, and if you got converted it, you'd get

913
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: the ball back. And that was kind of his suggestion. Um,

914
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think i'm every particular, every detail

915
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: about it correct, but it was in that vein. I

916
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: don't know if you've heard of that suggestion. We're gonna

917
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: let you go. I'm gonna read it because I have

918
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: already found it online, so thank you. Greg Shianno proposed

919
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: that after a touchdown or a field goal, the scoring

920
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: team retains possession, getting the football on its own thirty

921
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: facing fourth and fifteen, the team can either go for

922
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: it or punt it away, and that would actually replace

923
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: the kickoffs. So basically, what you're saying is if the

924
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: team that just scored was trailing. That would give them

925
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: an opportunity to reclaim possession of the ball. But at

926
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: the same time, they could also take the conservative approach

927
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: and just pumped. Yes, it's not a terrible idea, and

928
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: this was something that they could experiment within the preseason

929
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: by shianno I Guess and thousand twelve, here's an alternative

930
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: to kickoffs. Quite honestly, um, what about the you know

931
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: he's talking about punting them all. That's a free kick.

932
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: That's what happens after a safety. Remember, the team does

933
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: not kick off after a safety. It's a free kick,

934
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: it's a punt, it's not actually a kickoff. And that

935
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: does kind of change the whole dynamic of what's going

936
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: on on the field to not quite as dramatic as

937
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: what they've talked about now, but it does change the

938
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: dynamic of it. A lot of things to be discussed

939
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: regarding these kickoffs, and that's why I'm glad that the

940
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: things they're going to do now are only gonna be

941
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: a one year trial and then they're going to revisit

942
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: it again, and that's the way it should be, and

943
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: they may go back to the old kickoff this season.

944
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: We don't know, because here's the thing. While Shiano's idea,

945
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: I think it's another good suggestion at least something we're

946
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: talking about hearing out. At the end of the day, Paul, though,

947
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: you're still now exposing these players to another offensive possession,

948
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: and the defensive players are gonna come out. So it's

949
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: not as if you're preserving them, you know what, saying,

950
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: they're still gonna take on more hits. They're still gonna

951
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: expose themselves and put themselves out there for injuries. So

952
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: I mean, if the whole point is safety, if we're

953
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: not adding another offensive and defensive play, I don't know

954
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: necessarily if we're heading in the right direction from a

955
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: safety person. Cold from Shanno at the time, was that

956
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: sent of the catastrophic injuries happened on kickoffs services other plays.

957
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: He's arguing, but but kickoffs were only six percent of

958
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: the plays of the game. So while they're more dangerous,

959
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: there's still a very small percentage in the entire body.

960
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: Because of what happened, he was a personal he was

961
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: cashing personally by injury on a kickoff. Absolutely, all right,

962
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: let's head back to the phone lines. We got Pete

963
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 1: on Staten Island. Pete, what's happening weekend? You say, Pete,

964
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: what do you got for us? Uh? A little bit

965
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: about the Whiteout Shepherd? They signed right because I know that. Um.

966
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: I think Ye signed for a three year deal. I

967
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: think before he had up um and Uh, it seems

968
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: like he's a little bit like Laddimer in a way.

969
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: He didn't have a lot of production or whatever. Um.

970
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: And the second thing I wanted to bring up real quick,

971
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 1: and I'll take it off the air with the Morning

972
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: with the Return Specialist, whoever that might be. All I

973
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: keep thinking about is Jason Shorn. I know I don't

974
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: want to go there, which with any of our big

975
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: time players. The first game I think it was the

976
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: first game, now, I was the preseason game against the Jets.

977
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: He tore up his knee on a kickoff return on

978
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: that field of mud, which was the grass trays at

979
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: the old Giant Stadium. We've been there, done that. It's

980
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: a horrible memory. Don't even think about it anymore. Well,

981
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: Pete's terrible. It ruined his career. It is terrible. Yeah,

982
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: I think it was the first game too. No, it

983
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: wasn't the first game. The Jets Giants never played the

984
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: preseason open. It was always it was always third or

985
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: fourth weeks. Well, that game in general doesn't have a

986
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: great history, no injuries. Everybody seems together. God did it

987
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: Darry and Thompson. I think I heard in that game too. Yeah,

988
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: it's not a good game when you look overall. The

989
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 1: one thing I will add, Pete and I have heard

990
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: you're not the first Giants fan to bring up the

991
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: Jason ze Horn injury. But it's just at the end

992
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: of the day, Beckham, he got hurt this past season.

993
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: He could get hurt on him running a route and

994
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: going for a catch as much as he could get

995
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: hurt on returning a kick off for a punt. I

996
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: mean to me, we're really boiling it down to small,

997
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: my new things. The risk of injury is always going

998
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,439
Speaker 1: to be there on the football field, no matter the play.

999
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: So to say, well, if I take him off the

1000
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: field for a kick over a punt, there's less likelihood

1001
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: of him getting hurt. It just doesn't save your breath.

1002
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: For the people who remembering and did not like it,

1003
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: they will never change their minds and again, and I

1004
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: get that, and it doesn't mean they're right or wrong.

1005
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 1: And for the people like you who want to say, well,

1006
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: it could happen to anybody at any time. You're also right,

1007
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: and and there's really no right or wrong in terms

1008
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: of how you want to feel, because there is a

1009
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: logic behind what you're saying. There's a logic behind what

1010
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: he's saying, and that's just the way it is. And

1011
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: neither one of you were ever gonna cross paths on this. No,

1012
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: it's just that just happen. There are you know, there

1013
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: are people who are totally going to be in opposite

1014
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: side of defense on that. In terms of uh Shepherd,

1015
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: his vitals are only six. And the reason I was

1016
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: I was kind of puzzled when you made the first

1017
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: comment is that Lattimer six two to fifteen. They are

1018
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: different body types. Laddimer is a bigger guy, wider frame,

1019
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: bigger frame, a little more bulk on him. Also was

1020
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: a longer wingspan. Um So, I don't know exactly what

1021
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 1: the comparison was other than you believe they're both good

1022
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 1: special teams plays. Well that that was part of the comparison.

1023
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: I think Pete was also bringing up the point that

1024
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: similar to Lattimer, and I think there's validity behind this.

1025
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: You have two receivers that did not get a great

1026
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: deal of experience in terms of snap count with their

1027
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: previous teams, and that now you're bringing them into the

1028
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: mixer they can compete. I mean, I still think Shepherd's

1029
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 1: got a legitimate shot to compete for that third fourth

1030
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: wide receiver spot. I wouldn't rule him out. I mean,

1031
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: he had a productive season with Tampa Bay in two

1032
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen. He actually had more production than Latimer. He

1033
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: had forty catches that season, and he also has a

1034
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: connection to Gettleman, and Gettleman thought highly of him, you know,

1035
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: that's why he brought him over to Caroline. Now, I

1036
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: think Lattimer's got a little bit more upside in terms

1037
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: of the return game. I would agree with you there, Paul. Plus,

1038
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: I mean I'm looking at the numbers. Shepherd's only return

1039
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: three punts, three kickoffs excuse me, in his career, So

1040
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: that's a very small sample size. Lattimer's got a little

1041
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: bit more on the platter with respect to that. I

1042
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: think we're gonna let Pete go and get some feedback

1043
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: on that front. Matt. So thanks so much for Pete

1044
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: for weighing in. So I think that was more of

1045
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: the comparison that you have somebody that doesn't necessarily have

1046
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: a great deal of experience in terms of snaps, but

1047
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: similar that they have an opportunity now compete for a

1048
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: spot on the depth chart, whether it be three, four

1049
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: or five. Now. Coming out, Latimer was two picks and

1050
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: Shepherd was an undrafted rookie free agent, which means at

1051
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: the time Lattimer certainly had better credentials. That that doesn't

1052
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: mean five years down the road like we are now

1053
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: with either one of these guys, that that one deserved

1054
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: to be drafted higher than the other. It just meant

1055
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: that at the time coming out of school, Latimer had

1056
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: a better resume he did on coming out of Indiana.

1057
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 1: But then to your point, it reversed since they've gotten

1058
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: into the NFL, Shepherd has been the one with more

1059
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: snashes the receiver versus Latimer's opportunities. But it's gonna be interesting,

1060
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: I think the competition once you get to three, four

1061
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: or five on this team, because I mean, as it

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Speaker 1: stands right now, I don't know if I would say

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Speaker 1: me that has been encouraging is Lattimer has been working

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Speaker 1: with the first team. And part of that is because

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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham is not fully healthy, so that may give

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Speaker 1: an indication that Lattimer they may think highly of enough

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Speaker 1: that they want to see what he can do. And

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Speaker 1: remember he also has experienced with Tolbert, the wide receiver's coach,

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Speaker 1: because he came from Denver with him. So you know,

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Speaker 1: when you combine all those factors, I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: stunning to see some of the opportunities that Latimer has received,

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Speaker 1: But I mean, he would be the only guy that

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Speaker 1: I think maybe has a slight upper hand at this

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Speaker 1: point in O T s okay. Alright, with that being said,

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Speaker 1: let's take a quick glance at Twitter before we wrap

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Speaker 1: up the program, because we want to give those of

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Speaker 1: you an opportunity who don't have a chance to weigh

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Speaker 1: in on the phones, but you may want to communicate

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Speaker 1: with us in terms of your thoughts and what may

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Speaker 1: be occurring with the team. Here is one from Ernie

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Speaker 1: Paul at Ernie C two B c N. Do you

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Speaker 1: think that Shermer is going to use a lot of

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Speaker 1: two tight end sets with emman Ingram wide Ellison in

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Speaker 1: the backfield since he picked up Kyle Carter and doesn't

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Speaker 1: have a clear cut number three receiver, which is exactly

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Speaker 1: what we were just talking about. Kyle Carter, by the way,

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Speaker 1: also has ties to Shermer because he came from Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Certainly an option and we will see how things developed

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Speaker 1: during training camp in the preseason, but that is something

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Speaker 1: I would absolutely keep my eyes open for. And I

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Speaker 1: also think Rhet Ellison's role is going to increase this

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Speaker 1: year compared so and mainly because of also the connection

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Speaker 1: to Pat Sherber. You're talking about. You got two tight

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Speaker 1: ends on the roster. Doesn't mean everybody's making the team,

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Speaker 1: but Carter and Ellison both came from Minnesota skiing, and

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Speaker 1: I think bodes extremely well for them in terms of

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Speaker 1: the blocking that they could provide and running routes in

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Speaker 1: when you take that into consideration, I think to answer

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Speaker 1: Ernie's question, I do think we're gonna see some more

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Speaker 1: double tight end formations and I do see Ellison having

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Speaker 1: a much larger role in expanded role compared to what

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Speaker 1: we saw last season. So with that being said, we

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Speaker 1: appreciate all the phone calls, appreciate all the tweets. Big

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