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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Hunt's let's go.

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Speaker 1: Let's go Giants.

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Speaker 2: Dont come get out my Giants, mobul give me some job.

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Speaker 3: Let's roll.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Giants Little Podcast, brought to you by Citizens,

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Speaker 4: the official bank of the New York Football Giants. John

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Speaker 4: Schmunk lamps metal with you, and we're very hat to

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Speaker 4: be joined by former NFL quarterback I Got I should

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Speaker 4: say current NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 1: There are time that papers are not in.

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Speaker 4: As we all know from Twitter, he is Matt Ryan,

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Speaker 4: who is now also an analyst for CBS. He had

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Speaker 4: The Giants and Commanders last week. He is the Giants

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Speaker 4: and Jets coming up this week at one o'clock on

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Speaker 4: Sunday on CBS.

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Speaker 1: Matt, thanks so much for joining us, man.

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Speaker 4: It was nice meeting you in the facility last week

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Speaker 4: when you hear for your production meetings.

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Speaker 1: Hope all as well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys, looking forward to chatting this morning. And

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Speaker 2: it was fun calling the game last week. Good win

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Speaker 2: for the Giants.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so give me your twenty thousand foot foot airplane

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Speaker 4: view of kind of where the Giants are, specifically on offense.

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Speaker 4: They've won their last game, but still only twenty three

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Speaker 4: combined points in their last two games against Washington and Buffalo.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean when you look at the year in totality,

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Speaker 2: I mean that the lack of offensive production. I don't

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Speaker 2: hard to be that to have that lack of production.

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Speaker 2: They were a little bit better last week obviously, you know,

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Speaker 2: getting some points, scoring some touchdowns in the first half,

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Speaker 2: had some more opportunities, you know, fumble in the red

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Speaker 5: But I think they've been inconsistent.

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Speaker 2: You know when you watch them, you know for the

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Speaker 2: entirety of the year, and part of it, I mean,

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Speaker 2: you guys know better than anybody. Part of it is

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Speaker 2: just it's been a revolving door of offensive linement that

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Speaker 5: And I think that makes you know.

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Speaker 2: The game has changed so much where it's all spread

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Speaker 2: all of those things, but it really hasn't changed that much.

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Speaker 2: You still have to be good upfront on both sides

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Speaker 2: they weren't wow or you know, incredible, but there was continuity,

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Speaker 2: there was effort, and I thought those guys played tough.

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Speaker 6: Matt, speaking of the game of musical chairs on the

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Speaker 6: offensive line, as I like to call it, I don't

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Speaker 6: mean to pour salt in your wounds, but I want

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Speaker 6: to bring your own experience up because I was looking

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Speaker 6: back at the archives twenty fourteen when you were the

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Speaker 6: starter for the Falcons, four guys up front wound up

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Speaker 6: finishing the season on IR and I believed that happened.

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Speaker 3: And it was only week five in the NFL season.

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Speaker 6: So I'm not saying that Daniel Jones and Tyrod Tayler

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Speaker 6: through the quarterback lines. We're viewing it from the offensive line,

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Speaker 6: trying to build chemistry. What's it like when the guy

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's tough.

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Speaker 2: I remember that year, I think it was that year

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Speaker 2: We had a tight end play and I think it

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Speaker 2: though there's a revolving door or musical chairs like you said,

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Speaker 5: You have to you almost have to trick yourself.

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Speaker 2: That you know it's it's gonna be good, even though

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Speaker 2: You know, when you have a guy like Saquan who

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Speaker 2: They don't have to sit there, they don't have to

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Speaker 2: and what they've talked about over communicating when you've got

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Speaker 2: not letting anything slip through the cracks, because so much

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Speaker 2: of offensive line play is about the guy next to you, right,

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Speaker 2: and it's that trust of passing things off, understanding you

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Speaker 2: when you when you've got that musical chairs going, I

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Speaker 2: think the over communication just allows guys to play next

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Speaker 4: Just to build off that answer, man, I think you

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Speaker 4: partially answered this already. Put yourself in Daniel Jones's shoes

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Speaker 4: for a second, right, His Giant fans have seen Tyrod

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Speaker 4: Tell have a couple of really nice games. We've got

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Speaker 4: a lot of phone calls Hunter shows here about wells

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Speaker 4: in Saquon Barkley. How difficult was it for him before

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Speaker 4: that neck injury knocked him out? And how much should

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think it's one thing when you

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Speaker 5: It makes a bit of a difference, right.

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Speaker 2: And so I think you look at the totality of

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Speaker 2: it's not like you know, you can you can go

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Speaker 2: and it it just it seemed like the perfect storm,

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Speaker 2: you know, for Daniel Jones. Like I'm a big fan

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Speaker 2: had a great year last year. I thought he played

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Speaker 2: But but it takes everything, you know, It's it's not

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Speaker 2: You need, you know, the consistency in all three of

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Speaker 2: those spots. But I think the getting hit, as much

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Speaker 2: it's like it's a slow drip of water, you know,

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Speaker 2: It's just that constant, slow drip of water that's constantly

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm hoping he's able to go this week

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Speaker 2: think maybe you know, in a weird way, a little

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Speaker 2: to deal with that clock issue, that mental clock issue

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Speaker 2: that all quarterbacks deal with when you're getting hit, it

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Speaker 2: might be a really good thing for him.

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Speaker 6: Matt, speaking of that internal clock, I'm glad you brought

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Speaker 6: that up, because I think we think that when quarterbacks,

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Speaker 6: they get hit so much that even when the pocket

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Speaker 6: seems to be relatively clean, you almost still have the

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Speaker 6: thought process and I see you nodding your head of

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Speaker 6: the pass rutgers are still coming, and you can't take

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Speaker 6: advantage of even the few ideal circumstances. So if you

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Speaker 2: It took experience for me, you know, it really did.

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Speaker 2: I think you know you mentioned you mentioned that twenty

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Speaker 5: It was really the first time for me.

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Speaker 2: You know, we went to the playoffs four of the

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Speaker 2: I wasn't great during that time of being able to

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Speaker 2: press protection was going to be good. I think I

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Speaker 2: got better at it, you know later in my career

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Speaker 2: of a one screw up or one bust of protection

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Speaker 2: there and trust and trust that it's going to be

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 5: And I got better as that as I got older.

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Speaker 2: But I think I think the biggest thing is you

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Speaker 2: whatever happened to play before, you have to have this

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Speaker 2: matter the next play. I have to trust the guys

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Speaker 2: that's that's the biggest thing. Like I would always harp

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Speaker 2: back on footwork. You know, we would talk a lot

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Speaker 2: and timing in our footwork to not accelerate when you're

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Speaker 2: getting hit, to stay kind of in that same rhythm

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Speaker 7: So go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country.

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Speaker 7: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are

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Speaker 4: Matt, I'm sure I'm not sure if you've noticed, but

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you've seen him on TV TV

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you about the art of making a

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Speaker 1: Is there an art to that?

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Speaker 4: Is it identifying when you have that kind of cover

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think, you know, a lot of

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Speaker 2: it's going to be difficult to hold up, but there's

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Speaker 5: End, you know.

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Speaker 2: And I think one of the things Tyrod in the

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Speaker 5: He hit that I think it was the double move

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Speaker 5: You know, is is.

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Speaker 2: You have to have trust. You know, you have to

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Speaker 2: I always thought for me that was the thing facing

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Speaker 4: I want to follow real quick on that real fast.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned a couple of the weapons. Matt from a

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Speaker 2: I like them. When I watch them, I say, Okay,

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Speaker 5: And I would love playing with them, like like that's

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Speaker 5: I still view it from that, you know.

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Speaker 1: That's why I asked you from that.

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Speaker 2: Perspective of like who would I like to play with?

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Speaker 2: You know, And I look at those guys. I think

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Speaker 2: they're I think they're very good, complimentary pieces. I still

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Speaker 5: I love Waller.

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Speaker 2: I mean the touchdown that he had, you know, versus

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Speaker 2: Awesome throw, you know, and exactly where it needs to be.

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Speaker 2: It's like it was really good recognition to coverage, understand

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Speaker 2: you know, I've always liked Waller. I think he's a

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Speaker 3: Well, I matted to your point.

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Speaker 6: They need to continue to develop these receivers because a

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Speaker 6: and that really was unheard of prior to the Commander's game.

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Speaker 6: And you're truckling, which I could attest to as well.

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Speaker 6: So I guess what I'm getting at is as a quarterback,

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Speaker 6: But how to use a baseball analogy, Matt. You need

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's massive. I think you're exactly right.

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Speaker 5: Shapes and sizes. You know, there's lots of different ways

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Speaker 5: It's like they come in all shapes and sizes.

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Speaker 2: You have to throw these underne kneath routes and you

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Speaker 2: And he did exactly that. But it can't always be

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Speaker 2: It's the crossing routes. It's it's the little make somebody

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Speaker 2: But sometimes when you find those checkdowns really quickly, it

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it probably gave Saquon room on the sideline

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Speaker 1: They'll go out of bounds too, right.

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Speaker 2: It got to him so quickly. Just it's it throws

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Speaker 4: You talked about making big plays. It's gonna be tough

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Speaker 4: what do you think the major challenges will be for

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Speaker 5: Well, it's it's you're you're right on.

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Speaker 2: I think that's how the Jets they wear you down

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Speaker 2: One of the veteran guys who's you know, he's he's been,

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Speaker 2: you know, so good for so long. But Quincy Williams

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Speaker 2: right now to me is he's probably playing as well

442
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Speaker 2: as anybody in the league. Got the linebacker position and

443
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Speaker 2: really has come on and has become a tone setter

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Speaker 2: for that defense.

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Speaker 4: And so.

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Speaker 2: We'll see, you know, Read and and Gardner in the

447
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Speaker 2: back end, whether they're available to go after the bye week.

448
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Speaker 2: But you know, really it's it's about their front seven

449
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Speaker 2: and more specifically the rotation and the number of guys

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Speaker 2: that can rush the passer.

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Speaker 6: I think that's a big reason, Matt, why they've only

452
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Speaker 6: given up one touchdown in the second half to your point,

453
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Speaker 6: because like you said, there's so much depth that they

454
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Speaker 6: had the luxury of rotating eight to nine guys. Most

455
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Speaker 6: teams don't have that Injurizie Matt if I have my

456
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Speaker 6: facts right, you cross Pats with Jets defensive coordinator Jeff

457
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Speaker 6: Ulrich right in Atlanta briefly when Raheem Morris took over

458
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Speaker 6: for Dan quinnap Chris curious. I know he was running

459
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Speaker 6: the defense, you were running the offense. Is he bringing

460
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Speaker 6: over some of the concepts that you guys ran in

461
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Speaker 6: Atlanta on the defensive side of the bowl or is

462
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Speaker 6: this more of a Robert Salah influenced San Francisco type

463
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Speaker 6: of defense that you're seeing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a collaboration. Jeff was with us,

465
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Speaker 5: so Brick was with us. I want to say I

466
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Speaker 5: was with them maybe five or six years. He was

467
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Speaker 5: in Atlanta linebackers coach and then took over coordinator responsibilities

468
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Speaker 5: with Raheem, you know during that time, and he was certainly,

469
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Speaker 5: you know, one of the drivers of.

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Speaker 2: How we scheme things in Atlanta with Dan Quinn, I

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Speaker 2: think I think that tree is all. You know, They've

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Speaker 2: each got their own flavor on how they do things.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it's kind of like the offensive side,

474
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Speaker 2: it's like the West Coast offense. This is like that

475
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Speaker 2: old school Seattle defense. I think that tree you know,

476
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Speaker 2: really starts, uh you know, from from its Seattle origins.

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Speaker 5: And I think they're I think they're.

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Speaker 2: Doing a lot of things, you know, similar to to

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Speaker 2: how we did it in Atlanta and to that Seattle tree.

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Speaker 5: And you know, they.

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Speaker 2: Play a lot of three D But if if you

482
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Speaker 2: look at what they're doing now, I think they're playing

483
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Speaker 2: more split safety coverage than we ever did in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: There there's more of that mix up of like a

486
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Speaker 2: quarters type coverage and it just throws you off as

487
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Speaker 2: a quarterback. It's just enough that you're unsure whether you're

488
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Speaker 2: gonna get this rotation down. It just keeps you off balance.

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Speaker 2: But and this is no shade to my teammates in Atlanta,

490
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Speaker 2: but I think they're playing with with a different set

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Speaker 2: of personnel, you know.

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Speaker 5: Than than we have in Atlanta. Yeah, little bit.

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Speaker 2: I think I think every coach becomes better when your

494
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Speaker 2: personnel is better. And so, uh, you know, I I

495
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Speaker 2: think Brick has done a good job.

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Speaker 7: You love turf, you're good at it, so you start

497
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499
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Speaker 7: that life rings?

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Speaker 4: And the Giants have already seen two guy two teams

501
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Speaker 4: from that school, by the way, in Seattle and San

502
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Speaker 4: Francisco this year, so we'll see. Maybe if you know

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Speaker 4: some familiarity with how they run that defense might help

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Speaker 4: of the New York Giants. Matt, want to flip the

511
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Speaker 4: script here. You've played against wing Martindale defenses and the

512
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Speaker 4: defenses that want to blitz you. Zach Wilson, young quarterback,

513
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Speaker 4: still learning. He's cut down on his mistakes, but the

514
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Speaker 4: overall production is still not where you want it to be.

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Speaker 4: How do you think that Giants approach on defense with

516
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Speaker 4: all the pressures. You know, some guys are coming, everybody's

517
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Speaker 4: standing up, some guys drop, some guys rush, will impact

518
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Speaker 4: the guy like Zach Wilson as he's still trying to

519
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Speaker 4: figure things out of the young quarterback, I.

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Speaker 5: Think it's hard, you know. I think uh Wink has

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Speaker 5: no conscience.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's a good way to put it.

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Speaker 5: He is not scared to send it, you know.

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Speaker 2: And and so you know, i'd expect them to go

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Speaker 2: with a similar plan to what they had. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: they'll change things up in a few ways, but I

527
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Speaker 2: expect them to have a similar type approach to a

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Speaker 2: young quarterback that you know, like you said, at times,

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Speaker 2: he's been a little bit better the last you know,

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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, and I think has taken care

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Speaker 2: of the football. But you know, he's going to try

532
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Speaker 2: and change up the timing on him, force him to

533
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Speaker 2: not know how many guys are coming. Is it going

534
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Speaker 2: to be four man, five man, six man, seven man.

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Speaker 2: You know, you just don't know. And they can do

536
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Speaker 2: all of those things from basically the same looks, and

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Speaker 2: it makes it really difficult on you as a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: And you know, even when it's the numbers, even when

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Speaker 2: it's all four guys, Winkle just overload one side with four,

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Speaker 2: you know, And so you might have the numbers, but

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Speaker 2: you don't have the numbers on that side of the center,

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Speaker 2: and it makes it difficult. So I think if you're

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Speaker 2: a guy like Zach Wilson going into this game, you

544
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Speaker 2: know it's about knowing where your outlets are.

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Speaker 5: I think you know they did.

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Speaker 2: The commanders did not have a good answer, particularly in

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Speaker 2: the first half of changing things up or having quick outlets,

548
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Speaker 2: like even if it's not right, the ball's coming out,

549
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Speaker 2: we're going to try and make somebody missing space.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mat, Mat, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: I don't mean to interrupt you, but I rewatched that tape.

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Speaker 4: He's still running downfield routes on these plays and there's

553
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Speaker 4: not even a check down there for how well to

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Speaker 4: get rid of the ball if.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't believe it me too, So I've heard rupted,

557
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Speaker 4: but I just thought it was crazy.

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Speaker 5: I agree with you. You know.

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Speaker 2: To me, it's you're not going to be perfect against

560
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Speaker 2: a guy like Wink. You're just not going to be

561
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Speaker 2: right every time. But every route needs to have some

562
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Speaker 2: kind of answer if you're wrong for the ball to

563
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Speaker 2: be able to come out, so that even if you're

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Speaker 2: not picking up first downs, you're not letting them get home,

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Speaker 2: you know, because to me, it's a defense and it's

566
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Speaker 2: a scheme that is energized off of getting home getting

567
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Speaker 2: hits on that quarterback. And I think even if you're

568
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Speaker 2: not converting first downs, you're getting completions and you're not

569
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Speaker 2: allowing sacks or hits. I think it becomes frustrating to

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Speaker 2: a defense like that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it seemed in the second half they actually move

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Speaker 6: the pocket, as you were talking about, similar to what

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Speaker 6: the Giants did against the Bills with Tyrod Taylor, and

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Speaker 6: that at least helped cover up.

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Speaker 3: Some of the issues up front. I want to jump

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Speaker 3: to what you.

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Speaker 6: Were talking about with respect to getting home, because when

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Speaker 6: you look at the first five games Matt versus the

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Speaker 6: last two, it seems as if the Giants defense pulled

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Speaker 6: a complete one to eighty.

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Speaker 3: And as you well know, in football, it's not that simple.

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Speaker 6: You don't snap your fingers and start playing dramatically better football.

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Speaker 6: So what in your observation changed against the Commanders specifically

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Speaker 6: that helped this defense reach new heights. Was it the

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Speaker 6: interior of the defensive line, guys like Dexter Lawrence and

586
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Speaker 6: Leonard Williams collapsing the pocket and not helping the other

587
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Speaker 6: guys on the outside feast or is there something else

588
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Speaker 6: that jumped out to you, because literally the level of

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Speaker 6: performance the last two weeks has really changed dramatically compared

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Speaker 6: to what we saw in the first five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, I think it's a combination

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Speaker 2: of all those things. I think the two guys you

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Speaker 2: mentioned inside, you know, Lawrence and Williams, they played really well.

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Speaker 2: You know, I thought both those guys played really well

595
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Speaker 2: and they set things up for other guys, which which

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Speaker 2: was helpful. But I also think, you know, even when

597
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Speaker 2: you have a lot of guys back, every year is

598
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Speaker 2: different and it just takes time to kind of come

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Speaker 2: into your your own as a unit. And I think

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Speaker 2: you're really seeing that as a group of you know,

601
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Speaker 2: figuring out who this twenty twenty three Giants defense is

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Speaker 2: going to be. It's taken a little bit of time,

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Speaker 2: but I think I think they are more of who

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Speaker 2: we have seen the last two weeks. I just think

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Speaker 2: with the talent that they have and playing within this game,

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Speaker 2: and I really think they're starting to catch their stride.

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Speaker 4: Final question for me, man, and we appreciate you giving

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Speaker 4: us the time this morning.

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Speaker 1: I'll go off the board here a little bit.

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Speaker 4: You know, we've seen so much success Kyle Shanahan's had

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Speaker 4: in San Francisco. We've seen the success they've obviously had

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Speaker 4: up there in Miami running that system, and obviously his

613
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Speaker 4: guys responded to the packers of the Bengals good. You know,

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Speaker 4: go down the list and you watch those teams play

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Speaker 4: and guys just tend to be open. You know, there

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Speaker 4: seems to be space to run the ball. What is

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Speaker 4: it about Kyle Shanahan's system? He was your play call

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Speaker 4: obviously in Atlanta when you had one of your best years.

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Speaker 4: What is it about his system and the way he

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Speaker 4: calls plays and just that tree that allows offenses to

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Speaker 4: have the type of sustained success they've had now in

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Speaker 4: this league for.

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Speaker 1: You know, more than a decade.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's it's everything is based off the

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Speaker 2: run game and everything that you do in the passing game,

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Speaker 2: whether it's play action or whatever. You know, looks feels

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Speaker 2: and smells like you're going to run the football. And

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Speaker 2: I think I think he and and those guys that

629
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Speaker 2: have coached with them work really hard during the week

630
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Speaker 2: of identifying, you know, a defense's weakness and saying this

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Speaker 2: is the way we're going to attack it in the

632
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Speaker 2: run game, and then thinking how a defense is going

633
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Speaker 2: to counteract and try and you know, stop that. And

634
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Speaker 2: then in the play action pass trying to just replace

635
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Speaker 2: the spot where they think they're most vulnerable. And they

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Speaker 2: do it in a number of different ways.

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Speaker 5: I think.

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Speaker 2: I think that at the core though, is it is

639
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Speaker 2: just marring up everything and making it look and feel

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Speaker 2: the exact same to a defense and and creating that

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Speaker 2: second or second and a half of doubt, uh, you know,

642
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Speaker 2: from from a from that second level linebacker position of

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Speaker 2: getting downhill and then you know, putting something right behind

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Speaker 2: it in the passing game. And they've done a really

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Speaker 2: good job with that, you know, like you said, for

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Speaker 2: more than a decade.

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Speaker 5: And then I think the other thing is they.

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Speaker 2: Prioritize speed over size, you know, and it's it's just

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Speaker 2: a different approach, whether it's up front or at you know,

650
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Speaker 2: the wide receiver position. It's about getting guys that can run,

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Speaker 2: you know. And I think Miami, you look at what

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Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel has done there. I think they've put together,

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Speaker 2: you know, an incredibly fast team. Excuse me that that fits,

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Speaker 2: that fits all of those crossing routes, the short posts,

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Speaker 2: the run game, and they try and they try and

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Speaker 2: stretch your horizontal and they try and beat you with

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Speaker 2: speed with crossing routes, and they've done it better than anybody.

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Speaker 1: And I realize in'm getting inside baseball here, But how

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Speaker 1: do they use motion informations to kind of complement all

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Speaker 1: that stuff you just talked about too?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all I Candy. I mean that that's basically

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Speaker 2: what it is. It's it's ways to disguise, you know,

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Speaker 2: the intent of what they want to do and to

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Speaker 2: just make people hesitate for a second.

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Speaker 5: And they do it. They do it really well.

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Speaker 2: I mean we motioned and and we shifted in motion

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Speaker 2: quite a bit in Atlanta, and I think these guys

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Speaker 2: have even further. I mean, there's so much more motion

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Speaker 2: now than there was prior to this.

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Speaker 6: It helps when you have Tyreek Kill and Jalen Wattle

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Speaker 6: on the field simultaneously and Raheem Moster. They're in a

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Speaker 6: company to drive defense's nuts. Matt real quickly. Before we

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Speaker 6: let you go, I want to actually circle back to

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Speaker 6: where we started in terms of personnel and when you

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Speaker 6: take personnel off the field and how that dramatically changes

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Speaker 6: the outlook of the defense. Because you were joking about

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Speaker 6: Julio Jones. Well, in twenty thirteen you lost him for

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Speaker 6: a good chunk, right because he had a broken foot,

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Speaker 6: And we were talking earlier about you take Saquon Barkley

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Speaker 6: off the field. The assumption is, well, defenses have less

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Speaker 6: to stress out on and you don't necessarily give them

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Speaker 6: any more somebody they need to double. I'm curious when

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Speaker 6: Julio was off the field and you did have Tony

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Speaker 6: Gonzales in fairness and Roddy White and Harry Douglas. I

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Speaker 6: don't want to pooh pooh on the rest of your teammates,

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Speaker 6: but how did you see the defense change compared to

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Speaker 6: when he was on the field and what Daniel and

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Speaker 6: Tirod maybe going through when Saquan or somebody else of

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Speaker 6: that note is not on the field.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, with Julio, it was always we would

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Speaker 2: get looks that we weren't prepared for because people played

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Speaker 2: him differently when he was out. I mean, certainly we

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Speaker 2: wanted him in every time, but when he was out,

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Speaker 2: it actually frees you up of like, Okay, we're going

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Speaker 2: to see the same stuff that we've seen, you know,

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Speaker 2: up until this point, so there was a level of

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Speaker 2: knowing what you were going to get that came with that,

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Speaker 2: and I always thought that was helpful. And then you know,

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Speaker 2: you're not trying to force it right, You're just distributing

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Speaker 2: the ball to where it should go based on the coverage.

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Speaker 2: And oftentimes we were, you know, sometimes better at just

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Speaker 2: being able to distribute at different places. But make no mistake,

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Speaker 2: you want the guys out there. You know you want

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Speaker 2: them out there because because of their elite talent.

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Speaker 4: That's Matt Ryan, former NFL quarterback on the Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 4: Make sure you go check that out. Matt, thanks so

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Speaker 4: much of that, man. We appreciate it. You're doing a

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Speaker 4: great job broadcasting. I hope you're enjoying it. And we'll

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Speaker 4: talk to you agatting down the road.

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