1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marcotz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: My guest today is Christian Schneider. Christian is a National 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Review columnist, author of several books, and the host of 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: the podcast. Wasn't that special Fifty years of SNL. Hi, Christian, 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: so nice to have you on. 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me on. Before we 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: even get started, I want to tell the listeners, oh boy, 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: what a big celebrity you are, because the first time 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: we ever met, I think it was like right after COVID, 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: we went out for drinks in Manhattan with some other 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 2: friends and we're sitting there at this bar and suddenly 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 2: midway through, the waitress brings out more drinks and says, well, 13 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: the owner knows who Carol is, so here's some free 14 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: drinks on the house. It was as if Timothy Chalomeay 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: was at the bar. 16 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, similar, similar to Timothy Chalomey. It's so funny that 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: you think it is because I'm famous and not because 18 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: I'm friends with everybody. And I was friends with that 19 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: restaurant owner. And the restaurant is eighteen oh three inch Rebecca, 20 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: and it's amazing, so good. And my friend Raffi owns it. 21 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: And it's funny because we talked about that meet up recently. 22 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: You and I ran into each other over Halloween in 23 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: DC recently and we discussed how my drinking reduced by 24 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: a lot after that night. After that night, it was like, 25 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: I really can't do this anymore. I am too old. 26 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: I mean we were actually and if you recall, I 27 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: ordered everybody a round of waters before we left, because 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: it was it was just a particularly drunken affair. Several 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: people were like falling down as we left. That wasn't us, 30 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: but you know, it happens. And I literally made every 31 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: I made everybody drink water. I made a round of 32 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: waters was delivered to our table because I was like, 33 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: you people really needed And I went home that night 34 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: and I was like, I am too old for this. 35 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: I can't do this anymore. And my drinking has, you know, 36 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: declined a lot. And I talk about it on the 37 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: show sometimes. How you know, people come on and they're like, oh, 38 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: I want to drink less. I'm like, I want to 39 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: drink more. I just can't do it anymore. I just can't, 40 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: Like I really have like one drink maybe two when 41 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: I go out. 42 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: Now, tops, you're not a quitter. So let's do this. 43 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: So how did you get into this world? What did 44 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: you first write? 45 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: Well, it starts off in colonial times, where seriously, I'm 46 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 2: I am a relative of one of the Salem witches, 47 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: which is interesting. I'm the eleventh grade made that up. 48 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: But okay, no, it's true. 49 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: Marytown sd was was her name. She was burned because 50 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: she had a wart that they said was used to 51 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: suckle the devil. So clearly the head of Health and 52 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 2: Human Services at the time was RFK Junior. But yeah, 53 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: so I'm glad she had kids before they hung her. 54 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: But yeah, I so in college I worked for a 55 00:02:58,320 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: basketball team. I was a basketball manager. 56 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: Have you written about her? By the way, Like, is 57 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: this a story that people know? No, it's why why 58 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: haven't you? 59 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: You're a writer? 60 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: What are you doing? How do you save that story 61 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: for the Carol Markowitz show? That should be like a book. 62 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: When I go to DC, I write at a broom, 63 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 2: So I don't know if that's like a tip off. 64 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: I've seen the broom. 65 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: So yeah. I majored in political science in college. I 66 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 2: got a master's in political science from Marquette University. The 67 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 2: Sorbone of Southeast Wisconsin. Ye. Call. I got a job 68 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 2: working in the Wisconsin legislature for a while where I 69 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: would write legislation and things like that, and then kind 70 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: of in as a side job. A guy in our 71 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: office was like, you should start a blog while you're 72 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: working in the legislature, and so I was like, nobody's 73 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: going to read that, and so I started this blog. 74 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: It was like an anonymous blog, entered a pseudonym, and 75 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: suddenly my senator pseudonym was Dennis York hmm okay, and 76 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: my best friend growing up was Dennis and I was 77 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: a big Radiohead fan, so Tommy York I used as well. 78 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, that started kind of writing a blog and 79 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: everybody was like it was a big kind of parlor 80 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: game at the time, like who is this person writing this? 81 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: And it was kind of fun keeping that secret. 82 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: But I was also a pseudonym writing blogger in New York. 83 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if if you knew that, but yeah, 84 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: so my maiden name starts with an shei, So my 85 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: name was Cachet. One name. That was all it took. Yeah, 86 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: and it was also like who is this It's funny 87 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: because that era you could have like a lot of 88 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,799 Speaker 1: readers for that time and become like famous in your 89 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: like circles. Right, Like my blog had like eighteen hundred 90 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: readers a day, which now is nothing, but back then 91 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: it was like, oh, look at all these readers. 92 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: You know, my blog was like winning awards, and yet 93 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: I couldn't I couldn't actually like show up amazing accept 94 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 2: the award because I couldn't tell anybody who I was. 95 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 2: So I actually sent in a video my daughter had 96 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 2: like this pig puppet, and I accepted the award as 97 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 2: a pig puppet. 98 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: I love it for like the. 99 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: Best blog of two thousand and five or whenever it was. So. Yeah, 100 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 2: then like at some point, you know, all the Wisconsin 101 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: stuff happened with Scott Walker in the unions, and I 102 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: was writing about that, and National Review came to me 103 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: and said, hey, do you want to write for us 104 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: about this? And so I did that. Then the Milwaukee 105 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: Journal Sentinel called me and said you want to be 106 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: our staff columnist, and I thought, great, it's a great 107 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: staff columnist. Yeah, and then you know, things happen and 108 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: I end up back at National Review. I started writing 109 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 2: for them a couple of years ago. So yeah, in 110 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: the meantime, I wrote a book about the year nineteen sixteen. 111 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: It was great. 112 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was blurbed by none other than Carol Markowitz, right. 113 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: And I read it, which you know, it really says something. 114 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 2: Oh you're the one that read it. I found you. 115 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: I thought it was really funny and clever. I really did. So, Yeah, 116 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: I haven't read his book nineteen sixteen. You should check 117 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: it out. 118 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you put it and put it on your 119 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: shelf behind you when you're on TV, which brought a 120 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: tear to my eye. It was very nice of you. 121 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: But yeah, so it's basically just about like what if 122 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: the internet existed in the year nineteen sixteen, and about 123 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: a guy who was keeping a blog, what would he 124 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 2: be blogging about it? Et cetera. So, yeah, got good reviews. 125 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 2: Some people thought it was funny. 126 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: So what it made you start a podcast about fifty 127 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: years of Saturday Night Live? That doesn't seem like a 128 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: typical conservative endeavor. 129 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean I'd always just been a Saturday 130 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: Night Live fan. It started two years after I was born, 131 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 2: so I've always watched it and kind of known about it. 132 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 2: And then I'm met up with Scott Bertram from Hillsdale 133 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: College grad. He's been on this show, yes, former guest. 134 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 2: And we hit it off, and I threw out this 135 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,679 Speaker 2: idea like, hey, let's do this thing where we watch 136 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: a season of SNL and then do a podcast episode 137 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: on each season. And he's like, yeah, I'm down. And 138 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: we didn't didn't realize exactly how much work it was 139 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 2: going to be. 140 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: Is it the watching it that's the work or which 141 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: part is the heart? 142 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? So we would watch a full season every two weeks, 143 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: and so that means twenty two or so episodes, So 144 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: that's twenty. 145 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: Two year old. Why your wives were very happy about this. 146 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: At some point, I'm going to relearn the names of 147 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: my children because it was just like NonStop, like I 148 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: got to get through this, and I'd plow through like 149 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: seven episodes on a Saturday or something in order to 150 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: get it done. But so we ended up watching a 151 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: thousand episodes of SNL, and we graded each and every sketch, 152 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: and then I gave us grades for each season and 153 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: so now we have like this giant database of every 154 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: sketch that's ever and episode that's ever been on the airs. 155 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: Wow, thank you guys. Did you have you on the show. 156 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't I think that's going to happen. We 157 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: have had people who we've seen in our subscribers, like 158 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: people at SNL have subscribed to the web to the podcast, 159 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: So I don't know, that's great. 160 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: See wow, So what was the funniest SNL era? 161 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: Okay, So, Lourene Michaels's kind of mantra is that everybody 162 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: thinks so when they were in high school was the 163 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: funniest cast? 164 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: Right, That's probably what I was thinking. 165 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it turns out and when you and I 166 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: were in high school, going back and looking, this is 167 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: part of the reason why we did the podcast was 168 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 2: to say, okay, well, who's actually right? And it seems 169 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: like my high school years were kind of the best cast. 170 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: That's when you had Phil Hartman and Dana Carvey. Yeah, John, 171 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 2: I love it, and like season after season, we're just 172 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: complete bangers. When we did our ratings of best seasons 173 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: of all time, season fourteen, which would have been like 174 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eight, eighty nine, like that era, I mean, 175 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: you can't beat it. 176 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, my high school's in the nineties, 177 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: but I think it's basically the same people, right, Yeah, Yeah, 178 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: those are all the ones that I remember from my 179 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: high school years. We'd go out and come home to 180 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: somebody's house and watch SNL. Do that anymore though my kids, 181 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: I don't even think they know what SNL is, and 182 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: my daughter is in high school. Do teenagers still watch it? 183 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 2: They watched clips maybe, and most of the clips. 184 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: That just yeah, she's actually she's mentioned that Domingo skit 185 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: to me. That's that's the only thing I think she's 186 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: ever seen. 187 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 2: From it, right, And this is a like, you know, 188 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: this is a cultural thing. I had millennials in my 189 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: office that were like, isn't that Domingo sketch hilarious? And 190 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: I'm like, it's not really, But she was like, literally 191 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: every millennial woman has had this experience of like going 192 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 2: to a super awkward bachelorette party and like so it 193 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: was relatable to them in a way that it wasn't 194 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 2: to me. 195 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: So not to me at all either. I can't think 196 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: of I don't think I've ever been to a super 197 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: awkward bachelorette party where the bachelorette gets down with like 198 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: some guys she meets. No, that didn't happen in Ara era. No, sorry, ladies, 199 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: So what would you be doing instead. If it wasn't this, 200 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: what would the plan be for Christian. 201 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: Be I don't know. I guess I would have stuck 202 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 2: in politics somewhere writing laws. My grades in college were terrible, 203 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: so I always wanted to be a lawyer. My dad's 204 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 2: a lawyer, so I always figured I was going to 205 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 2: be a lawyer. And I think my BAC was actually 206 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: higher than my GPA, So that's why I WENTAC. Blood 207 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: alcohol content you and the drinking. 208 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: You know, it's the Wisconsin, isn't it. 209 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: It probably is. But yeah, so let's see, I was 210 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 2: as I was in grad school, I was working my 211 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: way through as a basketball coach. I would have loved 212 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: to have kept doing that cool basketball. That was always 213 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: a lot of fun. 214 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: So I've always basketball your favorite sport to watch, I think. 215 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I was on a scholarship in 216 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: college to be a manager for the basketball team, and 217 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: so I went on all the trips and did all 218 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 2: that stuff, and so that's how I learned how to coach. 219 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: And yeah, it was super interesting. So I'm really competitive, 220 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 2: which is kind of why I got into politics, because 221 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 2: it's like it's a nerdy office job. Yeah, but it's 222 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 2: also like super competitive, like you're building up to election 223 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 2: day where it's the super Bowl and. 224 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: It's the super Bowl every year basically yeah, yeah, I 225 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: mean every four years really, but really every year. Now 226 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: we're like talking about races where like the school board 227 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: election in Blanktown, Pennsylvania didn't go our way. 228 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: I don't know, I feel like too much. I just 229 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 2: want to think about this. It's like like the like 230 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 2: the New Jersey and Virginia gubernatorial elections, Like if you 231 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 2: don't live in. 232 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: Those yeah, they actually don't mean that much. 233 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: Who cares? They mean absolutely nothing, But we have all 234 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: this time that we need to fill up. 235 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: We do need to fill out the time. Well, when 236 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: I watch sports commentary, it's like, I mean, they're doing 237 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: the same thing we're doing with much less important stuff. 238 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: Like when I hear them talk about, you know how 239 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: those teams are looking for the week, and it's like 240 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: they just have to win, Like yeah, every week, they 241 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: have to win. That's the Yeah, that's usually what's going 242 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: on here. 243 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 2: It's a must win game this week, every year, every week. 244 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: Really, We're going to take a quick break and be 245 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: right back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. So what are 246 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: you most proud of in your life. 247 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'll give you two things. Yeah. First 248 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: of all, my kids. 249 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: Yeah all right, yeah. 250 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 2: I didn't know that, you know, kind of as a 251 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 2: screw up early in life, like having a child completely 252 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 2: changes your life in ways that you can't expect. Like 253 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: as soon as you're holding this thing, you're like, first 254 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: of all, I've been to screw up my entire life. 255 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: What did I do to deserve this wonderful thing that 256 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 2: I'm holding? And it's clarity in that, like suddenly you 257 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: know what your life is about. Like it's like I'm 258 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: worried about what job I'm going to have, what career 259 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to have, how I'm going to make money, 260 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: all this kind of stuff, and then all of a sudden, 261 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 2: like in a moment, you're like, well, this is what 262 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 2: my life is about now, taking care of this thing. 263 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: And just the way my kids have grown up. I've 264 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: got two of them in college and another one in 265 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 2: eighth grade, and they're just delightful people, like people I 266 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: would want to hang out with. Yeah, smartly, it's funny, 267 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: and I'm like, how did I do this with my wife? 268 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: Of course, the. 269 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: Biggest accomplishment too, gay I having kids who are you know, 270 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: great humans as they get older that you want to 271 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: spend time with and they want to spend time with you. 272 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: I mean really nothing beats that. 273 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, the other thing that I'm I thought there was. 274 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: Another thing you were like, first of all my kids, Like, 275 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: I have to get that out of the way, my children. 276 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I am so proud of being Gen X, being 277 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 2: of Generation X. It's which everybody knows is obviously the 278 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 2: best generation. We just don't go around telling everybody. 279 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: Now we do kind of help people. We've gotten to 280 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: where we're like, we are going to have to let 281 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: you know now we are the best generation. 282 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: You know. We came up and people talked about us 283 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: in the same way that people talk about Gen Z 284 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 2: and Millennials, like they're a lazy generation, they're self entitled. 285 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: And we got through it. We didn't complain. And then 286 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 2: suddenly the millennials came through and they just started bickering 287 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 2: with the boomers. Yeah, and we just got skipped completely completely. 288 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: They just like started their own war and left us 289 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: out of it, which was nice. 290 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 2: Listen. 291 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we don't necessarily want to be part of 292 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: their thing, but yeah, you're right. I also feel like 293 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: we're kind of skipped over in politics, like there there 294 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: hasn't been a gen X you know, president or anything. 295 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: There's not going to be a president. Like Josh Shapiro 296 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 2: shows up and gen X. He's my age. He's fifty straight, 297 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: right in the middle, right in the middle of gen X. 298 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, because even like Ron DeSantis is like, he's younger 299 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: than me, he's a millennial, I would say, I mean, 300 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: maybe he's like on the cusp, but yeah, all all of. 301 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: These people millennial. 302 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: Wow, I think so his early forties. 303 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 2: Nikki Hayley's like right about our age. She missed. 304 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: She's also a little younger, but like I think, yeah, 305 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm forty eight. I think that that's 306 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: the cusp of gen X. Like people try to put 307 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: me in the millennial column. I'm like, absolutely not. I 308 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: stay gen X. I am right on the border. So 309 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: anybody younger than me, they're sort of millennial. 310 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: All I really want to do these days is just 311 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: sit around and talk to other gen xers about gen 312 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 2: X stuff, because we obviously had the best music. Yeah. 313 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: One of the first conversations we ever had was online 314 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 2: where you mentioned that you went to like Woodstock ninety four. 315 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: I did good memory. 316 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: I want to hear everything about like your experience at 317 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: Woodstock ninety four so awesome. 318 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: It was so fun, And there's like barely any pictures, 319 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: Like I have a few pictures that were taken with 320 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: a real camera that I then went and printed out. 321 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 2: So yeah. 322 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: I had a Lisa dippasqually on my show a few 323 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: weeks ago. She's the author of the gen X Handbook. 324 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: It's like coming out right as we're recording this, but 325 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: I can't wait to read that, Like I feel like 326 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: that's you know, we should be telling more stories about 327 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: our amazing generation. 328 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 2: Were you there for like when green Day had a 329 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 2: mud fight in the rain with people, And I. 330 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: Don't think I was close for that. I was really 331 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: close for Cypress Hill, for Blind Mel and Blind Melon 332 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: him in his dress, he was right next to me. 333 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: Nine inch nails, Metallica. I was like in the you know, 334 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: in the area of like seeing them. Everybody else I 335 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: kind of heard from a distance. I mean, I don't 336 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: want to say there were drugs involved, but there might 337 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: have been drugs involved. 338 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: But see, it's the best, Like I've some millennials have 339 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: come to me now and they've tried to steal gen 340 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 2: X culture. Like somebody came to me and was like, well, 341 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: Nirvana's actually really a millennial band, like Nirvana, which is 342 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 2: the quintessential gen X. 343 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: I mean no, yeah. 344 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: Sure, maybe you hit you were nine years old and 345 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 2: listening to Nirvana or something, but yeah, no way, this 346 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 2: is stolen valor. You cannot take Genex's bands from us. 347 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's look, I feel the same way, but like 348 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: Fleetwood Mac or whatever, Like, yeah, I listened to Fleetwood 349 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: Mac when I was in high school, but there's still 350 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: not my era. It's still they belong to the boomers. Yeah, 351 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: like fun, let's give credit where credit is due, you know. 352 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, we need a hard and fa ask rules about 353 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 2: what generation can claim what rules? Yeah, right, Like we're 354 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 2: not going to take the Killers from the millennials. You 355 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: guys can have them now. 356 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. I like the Killers, but yeah, they're clearly not 357 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: our era either. Give us a five year out prediction 358 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: and it could be about. 359 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: Anything, all right. I am an internal pessimist about the future. 360 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 2: H just with AI and all this stuff. You know, 361 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 2: men just not being able to talk to women anymore. 362 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 2: It's like you read these stories about how men set 363 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: up their dating profiles with AI they'll like have and 364 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: then the women like screen the men with AI, and 365 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 2: so it's basically just like it's like two computers talking 366 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 2: to each other, and at some point there will just 367 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 2: be like this cyber space where like their avatars are 368 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 2: going to be dating each other and the actually flesh 369 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: and blood people are going to be sitting at home 370 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 2: by themselves. So it's creepy and it's weird. And I 371 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: don't mean to sound like Scott Galloway or anything, but 372 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 2: like every male human that gets laid I think has 373 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 2: to go like report it to Scott Galloway to make 374 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 2: sure that they're doing. 375 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: It right, you recorded in his little book. 376 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: It's kind of weird, but yeah, yeah. And then just 377 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: like facial recognition stuff you're worried about that, I'm worried about, Like, 378 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 2: I mean, they're using it in NFL stadiums to catch 379 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 2: people now, and. 380 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: I don't know, man like catch people doing what? 381 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 2: Catch people who have like unpaid parking tickets? 382 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: Are reallyow, that's crazy. 383 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 2: Dallasoys, your team is there their state talk. 384 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: Bad about my Dallas Cowboys. What did they do? 385 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 2: But it's just so weird and they had. 386 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: That at the stadium, like like yeah, really, like I 387 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: have to read it. Jared wouldn't alwa in his house. 388 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 2: Come on, Metta has these new glasses that you know, 389 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 2: have the cameras in them and you can walk around 390 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: and at some point they're going to get to the 391 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 2: point where you can look at somebody dial something up 392 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: and then everything about them will show up in your glasses. Pikes, 393 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 2: and it's just like so gross and weird to me. Yeah, 394 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 2: let's disconnect, let's get off the grid for a little while. 395 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: I don't know, do you think we will. 396 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: I feel like I almost feel like the analog life 397 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: is appealing to the younger generation. They're not I don't know, 398 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: they're not like, for better or worse. They're no longer 399 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: on social media the way that we were. The generation 400 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: after us. They're not photographing. They're not photographing anything. Actually, 401 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: they're not taking selfies anymore. They're not like posting anything. 402 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: They're not living on the internet. They're for the negative. 403 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: I feel like they carry a little TV with them 404 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: and they just watch videos whenever they're bored. It's really 405 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: just going back to the television age. And they're no 406 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: longer doing the social part of social media, which is 407 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, again good good, good and bad. Good that 408 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: they're not like exposing everything about their lives online. Bad 409 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: that they're like incapable of being bored for thirty seconds 410 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: without watching some random video. But I see this appeal 411 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: to that analog thing. Like digital cameras are really popular 412 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: right now with the younger set, and I don't know, 413 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: maybe we we take a step back. 414 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 2: Yeah. My son came home from college and he's like, 415 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 2: do we still have our digital camera? I was like, 416 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 2: you know, you have camera on your phone right, No? No, no, 417 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 2: So we pull out our digital camera and there are 418 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 2: pictures of him when he's like three years old on 419 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 2: this thing, like, yeah, he's there forever. 420 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. I personally would not go back 421 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: to a digital camera because I think that there's some 422 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: things that are good to have easier, and it's fun 423 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: to like have a camera every single second that you needed. 424 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: I like that. 425 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: I was always the kind of person that carried around 426 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: a camera anyway. But the rest of it, I don't know, 427 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: Maybe it won't be so bad. Come on, be optimistic. 428 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just I'm creeped out by how much like 429 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: personal privacy people are willing to give up in order 430 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 2: to do this. Like I look at Venmo and scroll through, 431 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 2: and it's like the people that are. 432 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: Telling this, I don't understand my venmost private. I don't 433 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: understand how people are just letting their oh interactions be public. 434 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 2: Why right, ask Matt Gates about this, But why would 435 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 2: you possibly want your personal your private cash interactions to 436 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: be available to everybody? It just it makes it. 437 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: Actually wrote about this a number of years ago why 438 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 1: every site had to have a social component, like and 439 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: also let's share this with your friends like Pinterist, Like 440 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: why is Pinterist? Like why are my the things that 441 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: I'm pinning public? I make it private? But you know, 442 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: like my home decor pins, Like why does everybody need 443 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: to see that? And the fact is that the default 444 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 1: setting for that was, you know, I add your friends 445 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: and let them see what you're pinning. And the same 446 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: thing for Venmo, Like why I. 447 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: Know people get so creeped out when I put my 448 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 2: like underwear modeling photos on LinkedIn. 449 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: I feel like that's a different issue, different issue. Christian Well, 450 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: I have so enjoyed this conversation. Are always a good time, 451 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: And even though you've ruined drinking for me. I forgive 452 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: you leave us here with your best tip for my 453 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: listeners on how they can improve their lives. 454 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: Improve your life by going out and finding new music. 455 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I talked about gen xers, like we tend 456 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 2: to like have our music was so great in the nineties. 457 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 2: We baked it in and we just listened to that. 458 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,959 Speaker 2: Like I'm literally on a chat with friends that all 459 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 2: they talk about is guns and roses. I'm like, my 460 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: favorite band thirty five years ago. Yeah, but it's like 461 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 2: it's been a while, so yeah, go out find new bands. 462 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: There are thousands of bands that sound a lot like 463 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 2: the bands that you probably loved back in the in 464 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 2: the nineties, and they all need fans, and they all 465 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 2: need money, and they do great stuff. There's a lot 466 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: of guitar rock, even though yeah, nobody listens to guitar 467 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 2: rock anymore. It's out there. Go find it. Your life 468 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 2: will be better. It just makes me so happy when 469 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 2: I find a new band that I feel like is 470 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 2: absolutely mine. 471 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in a big Noah Kahan phase right now. 472 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: For anybody listening who's looking for new music to listen to, 473 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: He's this amazing New England musician. He's going to be 474 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: huge in a few years. Everyone's like, of course, Noah Kahan, 475 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: but yeah, he's just mine right now. So thank you 476 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: so much. 477 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 2: Su that he did. And I was like, Mumford has 478 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 2: a son that he doesn't know about it. 479 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's funny because I totally think that I 480 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: think that he sounds a lot like Mumford and sons. 481 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: My daughter doesn't really agree with me, but she listened 482 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: to this and maybe maybe she will. Thank you so 483 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 1: much for coming on Christian. Check him out at National Review, 484 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: by his books, and listen to his podcast about Saturday 485 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: Night Live. 486 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: Thank you, Christian, Yeah, thanks for having me.