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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: What's your name? Hi?

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Speaker 3: My name's Amber.

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Speaker 2: Amber. What's going on? Amber? How's life today?

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Speaker 3: Doing good? How are you?

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Speaker 2: Gek? You know I'm doing okay. Today was a bit

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Speaker 2: of a crap shoot, But you know, I thought I

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Speaker 2: was done. I thought I was done with crap shoots.

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Speaker 2: But crap shoots, I don't know if you've ever really

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Speaker 2: done with them.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, it keeps coming.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it keeps coming. But you deal with it, you

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Speaker 2: manage it, you figure out how to keep going. Well,

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Speaker 2: what's up, Amber? Would you want to talk about today?

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Speaker 3: I kind of wanted to talk about a recent situation

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Speaker 3: I got myself into. So I recently got like a

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Speaker 3: meta quest dr headset and I've been playing this game

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Speaker 3: called dr Chat and it's a lot of fun. Essentially,

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Speaker 3: it's like chat room style. And I ran into a

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Speaker 3: very interesting character the other night, literally like three nights ago,

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Speaker 3: and I was a little bit drunk of drinking, having

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Speaker 3: a good time with couples friends, and we ended up

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Speaker 3: just chatting, kind of flirting a little bit. Well flirting

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Speaker 3: kind of led to a little bit more. Uh ended

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Speaker 3: up doing a little bit of sexting, a little bit

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Speaker 3: of cam stuff, and Uh, the night. Afterwards, he messaged

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Speaker 3: me and was like, hey, okay, hold on, hold.

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Speaker 2: On, hold on, I want I want you to finish this.

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Speaker 2: I want you to finish this story. But before you do,

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Speaker 2: I have I have a lot of questions.

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Speaker 3: This happened very quickly too.

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Speaker 2: When you are when you say that you were guys

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Speaker 2: were sexting and doing cam stuff, now VR chat your

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Speaker 2: your different characters right, like was he knuckles the echidna

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Speaker 2: and you were like Princess Peach? Like what were or

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Speaker 2: was it just like were you were you sexting in character? Uh?

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Speaker 3: No, So we took it to discord.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, who was his carrot? Who was his character?

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Speaker 3: Honestly, it was like some e boy style thing. It

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Speaker 3: was actually not even my type of thing. But he

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Speaker 3: was pretty smooth, I gotta say, uh for a young adult.

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Speaker 3: He was like twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Okay, can I ask how old you are?

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Speaker 3: I'm thirty three.

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Speaker 2: And I'm curious why, like did you you never like

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Speaker 2: saw this guy's face, did you? And like like when

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Speaker 2: you when you brought him? When you when you brought

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Speaker 2: I guess I guess like this is the extremely online

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Speaker 2: version of like bringing someone back home from the bar

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Speaker 2: is bringing them into a private discord server essentially, And

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Speaker 2: what was it about him?

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Speaker 1: Then?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, But so I'm curious what was it about him?

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Speaker 2: Because I assume you couldn't see his face? What was

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Speaker 2: it about him that attracted you to that point where

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Speaker 2: you guys were doing that stuff if you didn't even

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Speaker 2: know what he looked like?

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Speaker 3: To be honest, he was kind of sweet, a little flirty,

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Speaker 3: but not like too heavy handed flirty. You know, you run

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Speaker 3: into guys and they go like, ooh, a little uncomfortable. Sure,

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Speaker 3: And I was also quite inebriated, so of course I

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Speaker 3: let my body do the talking for myself.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So you guys were like sexting as

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Speaker 2: real human beings.

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Speaker 3: As real human beings.

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Speaker 2: And were you did you like like when you answered

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Speaker 2: the like I guess when you do that with a stranger, right,

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Speaker 2: like when you answer the video call? Are you already naked?

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Speaker 2: Or is there a little bit of high what's your name?

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Speaker 2: I'm so and so nice to meet you?

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Speaker 3: So not originally naked? It was super super lated at night,

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Speaker 3: so of course, like in Pajannys the like, not super

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Speaker 3: like Hi, how are you? The snee thisew kind of

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Speaker 3: see each other. And then of course that escalated very quickly.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if you know much about vr chat,

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Speaker 3: but there's a lot of personal toys that are long distance.

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Speaker 4: WHOA what?

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Speaker 2: How tell?

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Speaker 3: How So there's like personal toys that you can download

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Speaker 3: an app for and control from a distance.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and so wait, so so you have like a

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Speaker 2: vibrator that with an app and you can get you

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Speaker 2: can you were You're like, hey, download this app and

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Speaker 2: feel like I don't know why. Well, no, here's the

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Speaker 2: thing is. I feel like like if I was hooking

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Speaker 2: for us to do this, you have to download an app,

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Speaker 2: I'd be like, I'm just not gonna do it. I

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Speaker 2: I can't. I'm I've been horny. And let me tell

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Speaker 2: you something. I've been horny enough to put my credit

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Speaker 2: card information in with one hand while I masturbate with

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Speaker 2: the other one. But I will not download an app

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Speaker 2: out of horniness.

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Speaker 3: That is.

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Speaker 2: Where I draw the line.

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Speaker 3: That's fair, that's fair.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so tell me more about this this situation.

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Speaker 3: So that happens. The next morning, I wake up obviously

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Speaker 3: would like to buy me some gifts I have like

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Speaker 3: in my bio on dr chat that I am saving

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Speaker 3: for full body trackers, and I was.

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Speaker 2: Full what is What are full body?

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Speaker 3: Full body trackers? Essentially you can see entire movements in

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Speaker 3: VR chat as opposed to just like hands or things

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Speaker 3: like that, so it's a very like immersive experience. So

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Speaker 3: I make a little wishless and I say little wishless.

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Speaker 3: It was essentially everything that I would need for a

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Speaker 3: Felt a little bit uncomfortable in a way, but at

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Speaker 3: super nice guy, definitely not my type, eleven years younger

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Speaker 2: You don't know what to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Basically, when I when I ended up logging into

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Speaker 3: don't want to like take these things with the intent

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Speaker 3: this is a super transactional situation. So I will spend

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Speaker 2: Wait, oh wait, okay, so you will you will be

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm sorry if I if I'm getting this incorrect.

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Speaker 2: But you said that, like, you won't be his girlfriend

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Speaker 2: if he buys you stuff, but then you said you will.

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Speaker 3: No, that I definitely won't be his girlfriend, but I

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Speaker 3: whatnot for compensation.

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Speaker 2: You will, you will spend time with him as long

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Speaker 2: as he keeps buying you stuff.

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Speaker 3: Essentially, yeah, and is that.

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Speaker 2: Time implied by you to be purely platonic?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Okay, why why do you want to spend time with

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Speaker 3: Kind of like that's where my dilima because I've never

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Speaker 3: So funny enoughter like, I brought this up to my

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Speaker 2: Okay, this guy wants and you told and you were

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Speaker 2: exchange for buying things for you. He's that he's expressed

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Speaker 3: Those words, but I've made my side clear on it.

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Speaker 3: And he was like, yeah, no, I'm in, I'm game.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's your name? My name's Amber, amberm get I mean,

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Speaker 2: get it get into this with me here, right, because

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Speaker 2: look because look, well let me let me ask you.

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Speaker 2: I mean I want to ask you a few things genuinely,

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Speaker 2: is like, do you want do you want to Actually,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask I'm gonna ask you this straight up.

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Speaker 2: Amber you said, yes, Do you like your life?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, what do you like about your life?

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Speaker 3: I love my family, I have a great home. I

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Speaker 3: work hard, I'm very successful. What I do am I

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you Are you hoping to get into some

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Speaker 6: At some point?

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Speaker 3: But I got out of a pretty shitty relationship about

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Speaker 2: Okay, So yeah, Well, I'm glad to hear that you

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Speaker 2: like your life. That's good, Thank you. Do you do

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Speaker 2: you believe that engaging in this situation, especially considering what

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Speaker 2: you told me about how you seem like you're doing

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Speaker 2: pretty okay financially, do you believe that engaging in this

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Speaker 2: situation will improve your life.

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Speaker 3: Materialistically? Potentially, but not in a not in like a

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Speaker 2: Do you believe it has the potential to deteriorate your

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Speaker 2: life in any mental or emotional way?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay?

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Speaker 3: Do you never know what people online?

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Speaker 2: Right? And and would you say that.

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Speaker 4: It?

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Speaker 2: Would it? Would you say? And? And by the way,

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Speaker 2: you know these are just these are all genuine questions

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Speaker 2: to answer. You know, I don't believe in they're being

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Speaker 2: right or wrong answers necessarily to these questions. But uh,

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Speaker 2: would would the material enrichment of your life to the

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Speaker 2: tune of eleven hundred dollars of VR equipment be worth

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Speaker 2: truly any amount of but be worth a undefined in

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Speaker 2: your words, amount of mental anguish if you were to

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Speaker 2: if you were to ask me, I would say no.

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Speaker 2: If you were to ask me, I would say no,

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Speaker 2: but I don't live your life. If you were asked me,

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Speaker 2: I would say no, but I don't live your life.

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Speaker 2: You live your life. And so you have to answer

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Speaker 2: that question. But that's the question to ask.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, definitely, it wouldn't be worth it.

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Speaker 2: No, So what do you do? Go? Enjoy your life?

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Speaker 2: Get off? I mean I tried to go. I try

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Speaker 2: If you have such a great life, I mean, Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 3: Oh I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 2: No you didn't do it. No, No, it's not your

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Speaker 3: You're all good?

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Speaker 2: Amber? Is there anything else you want to say to

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Speaker 3: Stay golden, beautiful, Okay, good luck Amber.

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Speaker 2: That's what I don't get. I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 2: imagine that spending massive, massive, massive, massive massive amounts of

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Speaker 2: That actually makes me happy. So I actually I walk

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Speaker 6: Hello, can you hear me?

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Speaker 2: Hi? Yes, I can. What's your name?

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Speaker 6: My name's Crystal. I'm going to try to talk slow

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Speaker 2: Crystal. What's going on, Crystal? How you doing?

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Speaker 6: Oh? I mean in general, I'm breathing. I'm here, I'm alive.

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Speaker 6: So that's good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Uh that been better, also been worse. So I can't bit.

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Speaker 2: You can't brag, you know, Yeah, yeah, yeah it is.

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Speaker 2: It is so interesting. Ah God, I want to you

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Speaker 2: know what, Crystal. I was about to go wax poetic

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Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you, Crystal, if there was any

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Speaker 6: You know, do I put my job? Do I tell

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 6: It sounds so stupid now that I'm saying out.

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Speaker 2: Loud, Well, I have I have a couple of questions,

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Speaker 6: Correct?

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Speaker 2: What's this job?

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Speaker 6: Inventory? And let me do a little side side talking

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, correct, And the imps on disability for a

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Speaker 2: Anyways, okay, so so you got a job in inventory

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Speaker 2: and you're being tell me about what do you mean

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Speaker 2: No, you know you know I do because well, well,

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Speaker 6: I just I mean, where do you go from here?

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Speaker 6: I'm not the type to really be like a little

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Speaker 1: I feel like, Okay, why I I well, I I

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Speaker 2: So this is an inventory? Is this is this? Is

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Speaker 6: You we go so basically we go to like Dollar Generals,

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Speaker 2: Is this a job? Well, okay, before because we were

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Speaker 6: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Is it a job with a big enough company that

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Definitely, this is okay, definitely, Okay, you don't have to

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Speaker 2: And and you're telling me that you this place has

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Speaker 6: Oh, I'm just see I'm an overthinker. And it's like

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Speaker 6: I mean, something's done. I feel like it's like I

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Speaker 2: Know, by the way, and here's it actually makes a

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Speaker 6: The tell so they tell my supervisor I told on them,

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Speaker 6: and then if it means my job, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 6: I do know.

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Speaker 2: What you mean. It's a completely valid, understandable fear.

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Speaker 4: I know.

441
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 2: Do you know what you mean?

442
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 6: I mean, how old are you again?

443
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 2: I'm twenty seven.

444
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 6: Okay, so you're a significantly younger than me, A holder

445
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 6: generation probably, So it's people like I would say, they're

446
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 6: probably around your age, gets stakes five years.

447
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 3: No.

448
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 6: My my direct group I work with let's say six

449
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 6: to ten people, maybe sometimes sixteen. And it's like, I'm sure,

450
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's just I'm too old to

451
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 6: be right to be able to like, I don't know,

452
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 6: I know, problem is I like, I need to fix it.

453
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 2: Listen, listen, I just I just Cris Crystal, Crystal. I'm

454
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 2: curious about a couple of well, I mean, there's a

455
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 2: there's a there's there's kind of a lot uh to

456
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: this that I'm thinking about. Do you ever do you

457
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: ever talk to a real therapist?

458
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 6: Yes, I definitely have, and probably realistically you need to

459
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 6: get back into it. But you know, at the very moment, okay,

460
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 6: and have my mental health has been sorry, my mental

461
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 6: health is obviously. I feel like it's obvious, you know, easy,

462
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 6: be real back ind like I was really good with them.

463
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 6: I have a couple of things.

464
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 2: Well because because here's the here's the thing, right, and

465
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm I'm not a real therapist, but

466
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 2: I'm just like, uh well yeah, obviously, but you know,

467
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,719
Speaker 2: I guess like just like as a it's just like

468
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: I'm because I'm about to I'm about to kind of

469
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 2: get in. I'm I'm about to get into some armchair

470
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: therapist ship right now.

471
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 6: Just but like you're good dude. Like I said, I'm

472
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 6: not trying to be you know, be anything. But I

473
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 6: just figured that that's what I called. You know, you

474
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 6: would come down to. I don't know you and I

475
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 6: don't really give a about you.

476
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: No, No, I know exactly, I know exactly what you mean.

477
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: I know exactly what you mean. I know exactly what

478
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 2: you mean. Yeah, I know what you mean. I know

479
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 2: you mean. Okay, So okay, so then here's the thing.

480
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 2: Here's my here's my observation. Right, is a couple of things.

481
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 2: It's like, i mean, one the very when you first

482
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: started talking, you were like you said, you said, I

483
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 2: know I'm annoying, and you said and and the thing

484
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 2: about like the thing you said where you were like,

485
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: you know when you enter a conversation and you think

486
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: it's about you or like and you know it's about

487
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: you and the reason I kind of fully agree with

488
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 2: you on that in the first place. And I'm this

489
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: is total armchair therapy. But I'm like in our conversation,

490
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: in our conversation, I'm picking up little things that are

491
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: telling me that are like signs of.

492
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 6: Just HD anxiety.

493
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: Well I was gonna say this, like things like like

494
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: like low self esteem.

495
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, well yeah, that comes along with I mean I

496
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 6: guess I went too deep with the head and I'll

497
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 6: tell you all that. See, it's just and that's I mean,

498
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 6: that's the reality of it, though, is that that comes

499
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 6: from a lot of things. And you know that's why

500
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 6: real therapy can be important. But it's just another whole

501
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 6: another show, you know. So it's just like.

502
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: Go ahead, I want I'll let you talk.

503
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 6: No hopeful I do his talk. It's just I just

504
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 6: like I just woke up like several months to home,

505
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 6: was like damn, now, I'm fucking old, and the like

506
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 6: I had my shit together as far as like, you know,

507
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 6: being able to control my anxiety and you know that

508
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 6: ter and then it's just like what the fuck happened?

509
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 6: And now I'm to the point where I'm just She's like,

510
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 6: what the fuck did it need? These young folks?

511
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: Mhmm.

512
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 6: And then I get like, it's just a whole Yeah,

513
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 6: I assuming enough time to go to my whole whole situation,

514
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 6: but I guess probably answer out my question out before.

515
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: No, no, no, even just like that, right, it's like,

516
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: is I just to me, the the thing is and

517
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: and this is like something to work out in like

518
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: real therapy, right, is like I think to even like

519
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,719
Speaker 2: I think you need to have some form of foundation

520
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: of like self esteem that allows you to be like,

521
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm not gonna I'm I don't care

522
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: if these people are bullying me. I am not the problem.

523
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: It's not because I'm annoying or i am old or whatever.

524
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: I'm showing up to do fucking work at my job.

525
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: I'm doing like really just building the in your head,

526
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: the narrative, right, the narrative of your every day and

527
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: the narrative of your life is should not be Oh,

528
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: I'm annoying, I'm old these people. You know, I probably

529
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: deserve these people are probably talking about me, because that's

530
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: that you like, you need to take that ar rative

531
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: and and and do It's it's not easy, it's really

532
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: really really not easy. But the process is just to

533
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: take that narrative and replace it with I'm a fucking

534
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: dignified human being. I'm showing up to work, I'm doing

535
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: my fucking job, and I deserve to be able to

536
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: be in an environment where people are not fucking with me,

537
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: where I can do my job. And if I have

538
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: to go to HR to advocate for myself, I'm gonna

539
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: do it because I I I I have you know,

540
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: I I deserve you know and you And that's what

541
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: that's what that's what that's that's what you gotta do

542
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: because the the two that that's that's where your head

543
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: needs to be at. Like every day with this ship.

544
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 6: You know, you know you're you're too hard to write.

545
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 6: In one thousands I write. And that's why I'm glad

546
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 6: I call it because I mean, in summary, in my brain,

547
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 6: I know this, you know what I mean, I can

548
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 6: know this and I know I can do that, you know,

549
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 6: and it's just like, you know, so that's why you're

550
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 6: awesome to thank you. Honestly, it's just it's just it's

551
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 6: fucked up. But you know it's like and I keep,

552
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 6: you know, thinking, Okay, there's other jobs. It's like the

553
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 6: wide why would I give them the pleasure of, you know,

554
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 6: bullying me because they don't like whatever money for whatever reason,

555
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 6: Like they're not gonna say my bills.

556
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: It's well. Also also also here's something Crystal a lot

557
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: like another thing is like so many of our interaction,

558
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: so many of our interactions with other people and with

559
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: the world, have fucking absolutely nothing to do with us,

560
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? These these this guy isn't

561
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: like like like you're like your direct supervisor. He's not

562
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: being mean to you because of anything wrong with you.

563
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: He's he's I don't even know if he's being mean

564
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: to you because of anything. She I don't even know

565
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: if she's being wrong with you because of anything fucking

566
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: wrong with her. She just has.

567
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 6: She doesn't really she doesn't really she's talking. She like

568
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 6: has to it, you know what I mean, I guess

569
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 6: do it or like doesn't do anything about it when

570
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 6: like the rest of the dictator because she was like, cool,

571
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 6: I don't know whatever, Yeah right, we don't.

572
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: Know, right, we don't know. We don't know why she

573
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: acts the way she does. We don't know if what

574
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: happened or when she was like kay, we don't know

575
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: about what happened with her parents. We don't know about it.

576
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: And you know what, And she could just be a dickhead.

577
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: She could have a good reason. It doesn't really matter.

578
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: It's not really important to think about. But the important

579
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: part of it to grasp what what what? What the

580
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: reason is is not that important, but what the reason

581
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: is not is important. And the reason is not ultimately

582
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: really anything having to do with you, So long as

583
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: you look at yourself and you trust yourself enough to

584
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: go again, like when you fucking wake up and when

585
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: you go to work and when you interact with people,

586
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: are you are you able to really like within yourself, go,

587
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: I am fucking dum, I'm like showing up up to

588
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: do this job as a dignified worker. I'm like I'm

589
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: doing I'm I'm like in all parts of your life,

590
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: am I doing the best to uphold my end of

591
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: the deal in this whole being a human being on

592
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: the earth.

593
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 6: I can no matter what the situation. You know, I tried.

594
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: You know, by the way, by the way, you're not

595
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: by the way, You're never gonna be You're never gonna

596
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: be perfect. The answer is never gonna be. I'm doing amazing.

597
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 4: The answer.

598
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: The answer is the question. The question is is just

599
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: one of like, am I am I at least am

600
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: I at least trying?

601
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 4: You know?

602
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 6: Who are you laughing? I'm not looking at this yet?

603
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 6: Is this funny?

604
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: I'm not laughing.

605
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 6: Ridiculous?

606
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm laughing at I'm laughing at the absurdity.

607
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: I'm just laughing at you know, life and ship.

608
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 6: But yeah, well, I mean not much more your time,

609
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 6: but we'll see. How do you really appreciate you? And

610
00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 6: it's good to know that at least one more good

611
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 6: even being out there.

612
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: Okay, well, Crystal, Crystal, good luck. And please if you

613
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: take away god damn, if you just take away anything

614
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 2: from this phone call, just please make it that you

615
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: know the the whatever whatever evils are done upon you

616
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: in the world, that they they they have nothing to

617
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: do with you and and your You have every right

618
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: to go and you know, fight against them and as

619
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: you as you move through the world.

620
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 6: That's a you know it was. That's a good, good one.

621
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: This night.

622
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 6: You appreciate you, Okay, and thanks again, really really thank you.

623
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, Crystal, good luck you have a

624
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: good night.

625
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: Man.

626
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: We got very we got very stoic on that one.

627
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: We got very we got very philosophical on that on

628
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 2: that one. That was a big stoic one. I feel

629
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: for Crystal.

630
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 3: I do.

631
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 2: It's weird, dude, It's hard, and I I I've I've been,

632
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: I know people like this, and I've been people like this,

633
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: and I slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly, over time realize just

634
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: how fucking little of the way, like the way the

635
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: world operates is very indifferent to you. In the way

636
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: the people operate, I think it is very indifferent to you. Now,

637
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 2: By the way, it's not a zero percent. I would

638
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: say there's a ratio. I don't know what the exact

639
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: ratio it is. It could be something close to fifty

640
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: to fifty, it could be something close to sixty forty.

641
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: The ratio being what percentage of the way that the

642
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: world and the people in it treat you is a

643
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 2: result of things going on with you or a result

644
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: of things going on with those people and with the world.

645
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: It's not one hundred percent either of those things. But

646
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: I think people tend to focus on, you know, oh,

647
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: what did I do wrong in that relationship? Oh why

648
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 2: why am I getting bullied? I must have be something

649
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: to do with me? And it's like it's in a

650
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: lot a lot of the times, it's just because the word.

651
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: It's just because it's the word. The world is insane

652
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: and the people living and it are insane, including us,

653
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 2: and everyone is just it's too it's too mystical. And yeah,

654
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: it's too it's too mystical to claim as as as

655
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 2: your own, you know. And I do that with good

656
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: things too sometimes, which is the double edged sword of that, right,

657
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: Like if someone reacts positively to you, that's the that's

658
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: the double edged sword of this, of this, of this

659
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: particular philosophy that I wrestle with is like if I

660
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: did well or if people liked me, A lot of

661
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: that had nothing to do with fucking me and a

662
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: lot to do with the other people. But that doesn't

663
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 2: have to be a bad thing, because I mean, take

664
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: it in m I mean, look, we let's talk art

665
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: business relationships. Those are all fifty to fifty ratio things, right,

666
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: You can make a you can make a video and

667
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: it's really weird and grotesque and someone could not like it,

668
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: and fifty percent of the reason they didn't like it

669
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: is because of you. Is because of the thing that

670
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: you made, and the other fifty percent is because of them.

671
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: They're not into it. And then you meet a sick,

672
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: weirdo person who likes your weird video thing, and now

673
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: it's like, fifty percent of that was because of you

674
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: and who you are, and then fifty percent of that

675
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: was because of them and who they are. And it

676
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: works outay with relationships and friendships and everything. But I

677
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: think people we get too focused on the you know,

678
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: the version of us. I'm learning that too, Like if

679
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: I'm at parties or social I'm trying to get better

680
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: at like being more. I think I'm naturally extroverted when

681
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: I have energy, which is not all the time, but

682
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: when I have energy, I try to be more extroverted.

683
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: I when I go to like a fucking function or

684
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: something I want to I would love to be the

685
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 2: kind of guy where I can just go in and

686
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: be like, Hey, what's your name?

687
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 4: How you doing?

688
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: And I'm starting to do that more, and I easily

689
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: brush off when someone does not want to talk to me.

690
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: It's not a big deal. It's really not a big

691
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 2: deal because it has nothing to do with you. It

692
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 2: may as or not that has nothing to do with you,

693
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: but it only has half to do with you.

694
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 3: You know.

695
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: So I am I feel. I feel for Crystal, I

696
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: really do. I could tell that. I could tell with

697
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 2: help pad because I could tell even when I was laughing,

698
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: just because I'm, you know, talking, and that's that's that's

699
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: how I am. That's a thing going on in my head.

700
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: Of course I'm not laughing at her. But the brain,

701
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: it just conditions itself to believe that it's the source

702
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: of all everything. It's a weird like ego. It's a

703
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: way like it's it's kind of funny, man like like

704
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: thinking that like you're thinking that you're amazing and you're

705
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: better than everyone else is ego, but also like thinking

706
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 2: that you suck and everyone hates you, and like that's

707
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 2: also kind of ego in a way. Yeah, I don't know,

708
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: I think about this ship, but uh fuck, can I

709
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: I gotta say something funny? Everything's been so philosophical, tits.

710
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 4: Hello, yeah, can you hear me?

711
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 3: Yeah?

712
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 2: What's your name?

713
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 4: My name is uh.

714
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: Let's go Logan, Logan. What's up, Logan?

715
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 4: How you doing good? How are you doing?

716
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: I'm fine, I'm okay. What's uh?

717
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, I have no idea. Would you mind taking

718
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 4: the lead?

719
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I can take the lead. Well, have we

720
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 2: ever talked before, Logan?

721
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 4: We not. This is my first time ever calling you.

722
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: How did you find out about this show?

723
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 4: I was actually listening to a podcast on Spotify called

724
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 4: Brooke and Jeffrey Brooke and Jewble, and it was an ad.

725
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: Cool Okay. I always wonder if ads work, and it

726
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: seems I guess it seems like they do. Cool.

727
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, you hooked me. I was working one day and

728
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 4: my job enables me to listen to music and podcasts

729
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 4: all day. And the first podcast I ever listened to

730
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 4: you was about the guy that would jerk off in

731
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 4: the helicopter he worked for the military.

732
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, How have you been listening for for

733
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: for a while?

734
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 4: I would say probably like five months.

735
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: Cool. We We're happy to have you, sir.

736
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I'm uh. I'm a young guy, kind of

737
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 4: like some of your other guests today. I'm twenty two.

738
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, I could have sworn you were like forty something.

739
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 4: Man. Yeah, I'm a I'm a bigger guy.

740
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, what's life like in Oregon? What's your life

741
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 2: like in Oregon?

742
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 4: Well, I am from the southern part and uh, it's

743
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 4: quite getting quite hot. We just had a storm rolled through,

744
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 4: so there's a bunch of fires. So it's getting into

745
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 4: the smoky season. Yeah. And like your other guests last weekend,

746
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 4: I just took all my friends into the into the

747
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 4: local wilderness and did some mushrooms as well. That's quite

748
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 4: the adventure. But yeah, boy, this is crazy. I'm kind

749
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 4: of freaking out.

750
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, what did you do? What did you

751
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: learn on your mushroom journey? I mean, I don't know.

752
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: People say that they learn things, but then ultimately it's like,

753
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. I kind of think mushrooms are just

754
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 2: forgetting high, you know, learning things? Yea, for like reading

755
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: books and shit, is how you I think I think

756
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: learn things. I don't know. If I feel like you

757
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: can't just get high and learn stuff, you have to

758
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: like do things and go places and talk to people

759
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: and study shit.

760
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 4: Well, for me, I personally, I've only ever done them,

761
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 4: of course recreationally, but I don't understand how someone could

762
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 4: go to like a house party and do mushrooms. I've

763
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 4: always been out in the woods enjoying nature and whatnot.

764
00:42:55,080 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 4: I think it it often offers me a different perspective

765
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 4: on some things. I don't do it very often, and

766
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 4: if I do, I make sure I'm in a good

767
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 4: space and happy. Otherwise you won't enjoy your trip very much. Yeah,

768
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 4: I don't. I mean, yeah, they are to get high,

769
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 4: but I mean it's it's pretty. Once you're in it,

770
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 4: You're kind of for a ride for a few hours.

771
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 4: And like weed. I have smokeweed for quite some time,

772
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 4: but I quit for the past years and do to work,

773
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 4: get my CDL and stuff. Can't do it anymore.

774
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: So what does that mean? You got your CDL? What

775
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: do you what's the future looking like for you?

776
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 4: Well, I am pursuing a career in power alignment, so

777
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 4: to work on power lines and stuff. I attended some

778
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 4: college to you know, make myself as valuable as I

779
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 4: could and you know, get get really interested into the industry.

780
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 4: And to do that you have to be clean, of course,

781
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 4: which is unfortunate because I feel like marijuana a large

782
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 4: part of my identity in the later part of my

783
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 4: high school years until I was like twenty one, which

784
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 4: isn't you know, smart, But.

785
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: They say the same say say say less, brother, say less.

786
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: I'm very familiar with that weed. I'm twenty seven and

787
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 2: weed is still become an unfortunate part of my identity.

788
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: I mean somewhat for fortunate or unfortunate. Who knows the

789
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: problem is that? Yeah, it causes it's I know, it's

790
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: not free meaning it's Yeah. For a while, I was like,

791
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,479
Speaker 2: what do you mean, what do you mean smoking weed

792
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: is bad for you? It's weed everyone you know, they

793
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: make T shirts with it on it. Of course it's.

794
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 4: Awesome, Yeah, you know, socks and shit. Yeah, I totally damn.

795
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 4: It's just you know, I have had friends that you know,

796
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 4: it's smoke, dabs and stuff every day, and they don't

797
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 4: have much of a memory anymore. And I feel like

798
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 4: some of their cognitive function has decreased since they, you know,

799
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 4: have partook with marijuana. Yeah.

800
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think some of my cognitive function is bad

801
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: with marijuana, especially when I'm actively on it. For sure.

802
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 2: I mean it's not it's not good, but I don't know,

803
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: functioning get one hundred percent cognitive cognition. That's like a

804
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: whole thing. Who does that?

805
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and it's it's funny. I mean, you've had

806
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 4: this conversation many times on the channel before. People you know,

807
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 4: claim it's not addictive. But for me, since it became,

808
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 4: I mean, it felt like it was part of my

809
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 4: personality and everything. It took me a long time to

810
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 4: become to the point where I didn't want to like

811
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 4: do it every day, which is you know that's basically

812
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 4: and then Dixon, well, yeah, and you know you hang

813
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 4: out with the same old friends that are still doing

814
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 4: it all the time. Doesn't make it easy.

815
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: Oh I wish I was. I wish my friends fucking

816
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: smoked weed as much as I do. That's one of

817
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: the bund It's one of the things I hate about

818
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: my friends. They don't smoke as much weed as I do.

819
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: I would my my I my life would genuinely be

820
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: so much better if my friends all smoked weed. But

821
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like the only one left. Some of

822
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: some of my friends still smoke weed. But like you know,

823
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: my my core core core friends are are don't like

824
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: to get high. You know, everyone's everyone. Everyone's addicted. It's

825
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: a jeweling. I feel like all my all my friends

826
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: they switched over to the nick.

827
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 4: Yeah. I do partake in disposable vapes, which I'm trying

828
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 4: to kick, but everyone knows the struggle with that. But

829
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 4: being here from Oregon, you know, it's fucking every You

830
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 4: can't go to a bar or any event without smelling weed.

831
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 4: And when I went to the college for you know,

832
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 4: to become alignment, I uh, I was in Idaho where

833
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 4: it's illegal, and it took me a while to like,

834
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 4: you know, go to a bar and just not smell it.

835
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 4: It became kind of weird, you know. It came home.

836
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 4: There's for a while, when it first became legal to

837
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 4: grow here, you could not see a farm no matter

838
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 4: where you went. It's it's just this is honestly pretty crazy,

839
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 4: and I think it's taken a notch down because so

840
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 4: many people did it. The market kind of went in

841
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 4: the tank for the most part. At the huge, huge operations.

842
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 2: What's your name again?

843
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 4: My name is Logan. I believe I went with Logan.

844
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 2: Well, Logan, is there anything else you want to say

845
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 2: to the people of the computer before we go?

846
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, it's kind of cheesy, but I do

847
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 4: follow this rule. Treat people the way you want to

848
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 4: be treated. For me, I'm a very nice person and

849
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 4: I've always treated people with respect, and it seems to follow.

850
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 4: But yeah, I appreciate taking. We appreciate this call, Logan

851
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 4: or I mean Lyle. Sorry, that's amazing.

852
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: I hope that that. I hope that, I hope. I

853
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: hope that your life continues to be good. You have

854
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: a lot of life ahead of you to be potentially bad,

855
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: but it's good that it's it's good so far.

856
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, we just got a kid on the way.

857
00:47:58,920 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 4: We figured out a few weeks.

858
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: You have a kid on the way.

859
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm married.

860
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 2: Are you insane? Logan? You were like, I don't fucking

861
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 2: have any idea what to talk about. You have a

862
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 2: fucking kid on the way.

863
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 4: Dude, I am quite I know you probably read my text,

864
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 4: but I am quite the red neck. You wouldn't You

865
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 4: wouldn't believe. Yeah, you know, I'm surrounded by good people.

866
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 4: I have over had over three hundred people at my wedding.

867
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 4: It was a big event.

868
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, Oh my god, geez.

869
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 4: I'm very traditional, very traditional, you know. I'd like to

870
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 4: put my head down work, be the only worker in

871
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 4: the family, have my wife stay at home and raise

872
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 4: the kids home school.

873
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 2: You're just burying the fucking lead in the ground here, logan. Wow,

874
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: you know you're burying the lead in the ground. You

875
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: bury the lead?

876
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 4: What do you mean by that? What do you mean

877
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 4: by that?

878
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: Do you you know you know what burying the lead means?

879
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 4: I haven't heard that.

880
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: No, It's like when you have something exciting to talk

881
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: about and then are like, like, it's like, if how

882
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: do I how do I how do I put this?

883
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 3: Oh?

884
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 2: It's like if it's like if you and I were

885
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: talking and you were you were like, how you doing?

886
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm doing all right, how are you?

887
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 2: And then we talked for like a half hour, and

888
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 2: then at some point I was like, oh, yeah, I'm

889
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: going to outer space on Saturday.

890
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 4: Okay, see what you're saying? Yeah, yeah, sorry, yeah, I

891
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 4: guess I did leave that out, but I'm.

892
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 2: You know, and it was and it's this is on purpose, correct.

893
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 4: No, sir, No, Oh, it was an accident. You know,

894
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 4: just kind of I'm like shaking nervous talking to you.

895
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 4: I've been listening to you for a while always wanted

896
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 4: to call. I got off work today, which never happened necessarily,

897
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 4: I worked like ninety hours a week that summertime, busy,

898
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 4: busy season.

899
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: So so, so the kid was an accident, No, No,

900
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 2: it was.

901
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 4: Actually it's more of a blessing. While she doesn't have

902
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 4: a good egg count, and so, if I'm being honest,

903
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 4: we kind of just relaxed on our precautions and it came.

904
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 4: You know, I am. I know, I'm pretty young, but

905
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 4: for my age, I do feel like I am financially

906
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 4: secure enough to raise a kid. I'm not on you know,

907
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 4: any sort of government financial help of any sort. I

908
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 4: live on my own. I'm set to buy a house soon. Yeah,

909
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 4: I do.

910
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: You know.

911
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 4: I have a brother who has a kid that's eighteen. Wow,

912
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 4: and he he already has a kid. But you know,

913
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 4: he didn't marry his wife's first so the government paid

914
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 4: for everything, and that, you know, just you know, pisses

915
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 4: me off. But I'm not going that route.

916
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 2: Okay.

917
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 4: Interesting people that actually need it.

918
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 2: Interesting Okay, So yeah, I have some I have so

919
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: many more questions for you. Now, how did you achieve

920
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 2: financial stability at twenty two enough to have a kid?

921
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 4: Okay? So I went to a so I graduated with

922
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 4: like twelve people in my class. To put it in

923
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 4: perspective of how large my school was, there was less

924
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 4: than two hundred kids in my school K through twelve.

925
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 4: So I was not very good at school. And so

926
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 4: my dad, you know, said, you can either be smart

927
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 4: or you can work really hard. So at fifteen, early sixteen,

928
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 4: I was working forty hours a week during school, barely

929
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 4: graduated high school, and I've just kind of put my

930
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 4: head in the dirt. I work construction, so you know,

931
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 4: I come home fucking dirty as hell every day. I

932
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 4: saved my money, you can. I'm to think of what

933
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 4: I look like. I am like six foot three and

934
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 4: I drive a big jacked, uff loud truck, so I'm

935
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 4: pretty red deck.

936
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: You know.

937
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 4: I love guns. I have a lot of guns. But

938
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 4: that's pretty common here where I'm where I'm local to. Yeah.

939
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 4: So yeah, I found a woman when I was seventeen,

940
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 4: she was fifteen. And throughout our relationship, we both you know,

941
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 4: agreed that we have the same desires and once throughout

942
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 4: our life and so we got married. We got married.

943
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 4: I was this is what you just said. A one

944
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 4: year anniversary June fourth, but yeah, we have a kid

945
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:34,439
Speaker 4: do in early next year, So I'm excited. Yeah, I'm

946
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 4: a brother of four boys. Wow.

947
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 2: So yeah, and you're up in a Yeah and your

948
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 2: your brother also has a kid, and he's like eighteen.

949
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 4: Yep, yep, he's below me. You know, he didn't really

950
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 4: pick a good woman in my opinion, but you know

951
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 4: he everyone makes mistakes. And but you know her name.

952
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say her name.

953
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, don't say her name. But what made you

954
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 2: feel like, why don't you why don't you like her?

955
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 6: Oh?

956
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 4: No, it's not a child that I don't like. It'st

957
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 4: the woman. She just had a crazy family, you know,

958
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 4: crazy crazy family. My brother as soon as he graduated,

959
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 4: he was dating this girl during high school. As soon

960
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 4: as he graduated, turned eighteen, moved into her house with

961
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 4: her parents' family, grandma everyone, And for our family, that's

962
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 4: pretty you know, that's not nothing, you really do, you know?

963
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 4: And then he, you know, got this girl pregnant, still

964
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 4: living in her house with her parents, not paying rent.

965
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 4: He was working odds and ends. He's a smart kid,

966
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 4: but yeah, he just made some decisions. But now he

967
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 4: works for a really huge company. He's in a heavy

968
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 4: de soul mechanic apprenticeship program for a very large company,

969
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 4: and he lives very far from home now, which you know,

970
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 4: I'm about to do the same. I'm an apprenticeship program

971
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 4: for alignment. I'm going to be traveling in a camper

972
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 4: with a kid, and my wife doesn't mind it should

973
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 4: you know? If I am successful throughout my apprenticeship, which

974
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 4: is about four years, then we'll figure out where we

975
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 4: want to move and buy a house. But well, it

976
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 4: depends on if I buy this house that I'm we're

977
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 4: set to buy next year.

978
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 2: And so as your brother is still with this lady.

979
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 4: He is, I don't, I truly don't think it will last.

980
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 4: And it sucks because I hate it when a man

981
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 4: has to pay child support unless obviously he deserves it.

982
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 4: This woman's crazy, you know, I think everyone.

983
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, child but wait, wait wait wait. Why do

984
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 2: you hate it when a man has to pay child

985
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 2: to support?

986
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 4: You know, it just sucks, even if if you get

987
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 4: a woman pregnant. You know, I just I don't think

988
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 4: it's generally good for a child who has to get

989
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 4: be raised up into the world with you know, split parents.

990
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 4: It obviously works. There's a lot of people out there

991
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 4: that grew up in that situation that are you know,

992
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 4: very successful. Well, it does work out very well, you'll

993
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 4: you know what.

994
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 2: And by the way, actually I I and you know what,

995
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 2: I respect your genuinely. I respect your opinion, uh you know,

996
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 2: of feeling like children who grew up in I respect

997
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 2: your opinion that children who grew up in dual parent households,

998
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 2: you know that that's a better environment. But the caveat is, uh,

999
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 2: it's I think it's better for a child to grow

1000
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: up in a dual parent environment if the two parents

1001
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 2: don't fucking hate each other. And so, okay, so so

1002
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 2: if I had so, if I had to rank them,

1003
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 2: I would rank okay, I would rank growing up with

1004
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 2: two parents who love each other at number one, and

1005
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 2: then below that I would put two parents who are

1006
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 2: divorced and sharing custody, and then below that I would

1007
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 2: put two parents living into the same house who fucking

1008
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 2: hate each other.

1009
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you.

1010
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, it's not gonna. It's not gonna if you

1011
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 2: hate each other, it's not gonna. It's not like we

1012
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: should stay together for the kids. If we're just we're

1013
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:17,919
Speaker 2: gonna make it worse.

1014
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 4: I I I disagree, and honestly, scratch what I said

1015
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 4: about child support. I just meant like I'd rather see him,

1016
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 4: you know. It just it means a lot to win

1017
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 4: a parent. You know, I'm just gonna wait till they're

1018
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 4: eighteen and then we're gonna break up. Like that's in

1019
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 4: my eyes, that's that's kind of devotion towards the child,

1020
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 4: as long as it's not you know, an abusive household

1021
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 4: where they're yelling at each other all the time, which

1022
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 4: isn't the case with my brothers. They clearly still like

1023
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 4: love each other. But he can tell he kind of

1024
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 4: fucked up and now he's stuck with this woman.

1025
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 2: Why, well, I'm if he if they still love each other,

1026
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 2: why do you think he fucked up?

1027
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 4: Well, he he obviously kind of loves her, but at

1028
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 4: the same time, like I don't know, we're very close,

1029
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 4: and you can just tell he's not very satisfied. I

1030
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 4: put it this way, if they don't have it, if

1031
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 4: they didn't have a child right now, I don't think

1032
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 4: they would be together because they've had this child for

1033
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 4: quite some time now.

1034
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I'm so you think he loves

1035
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 2: his wife but yet is not.

1036
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 4: Happy yeah, well, yeah, okay, maybe he loves a strong word.

1037
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 4: Maybe I haven't actually asked him if he loves his wife.

1038
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 4: I would assume so because they just got married, But

1039
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 4: you know, I don't. I know, he's unsatisfied to a

1040
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 4: point kind of like, oh damn, I kind of fucked up.

1041
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 4: But I think he's definitely the type that's just gonna

1042
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 4: stick it out and probably be an old man and

1043
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 4: wake up, look at the woman next to you in bed,

1044
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 4: and be like I could have you know, it could

1045
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 4: have been a little bit different. My decisions, you know,

1046
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 4: were a little different as well.

1047
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 2: Do you do you love your wife?

1048
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, oh, yuh yeah, I I you know, honestly,

1049
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 4: this is probably cheesy to say, but if every man

1050
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 4: on this planet could have a woman that has half

1051
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 4: the qualities of my wife, the world would be such

1052
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 4: such a better place.

1053
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 2: That's really nice.

1054
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 4: You know. She makes me lunch every day, and when

1055
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 4: I come home, dinner's ready and made before I come home.

1056
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 4: It's you know, it's she. She treats me very well,

1057
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 4: and I do the same.

1058
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 2: You talk about your wife, you're talking about the way

1059
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 2: you use the word woman. It's like it's the age.

1060
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 2: It's like eighteen hundred. Shit.

1061
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Well, you know, if I introduce someone, I say,

1062
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 4: this is my lady. You know, I am very traditional.

1063
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 4: I say yes, ma'am. No man to anyone. I don't know,

1064
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 4: doesn't really matter their age unless they're a kid. I

1065
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 4: was grew up. I grew up very traditional.

1066
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: But well let's see. Uh so, okay, you're gonna have

1067
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: your first kid, yet you're going to have more?

1068
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I want probably three or four, if you know.

1069
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 4: My wife will let me, and I think three is

1070
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 4: a good number. But I'd like to make it even.

1071
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, how exactly how you? You said, like,

1072
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:16,919
Speaker 2: how did you make all this money?

1073
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 4: Oh? I just work, Honestly. I don't make a lot.

1074
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 4: I mean there's times where I get prevailing wage jobs.

1075
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 4: You know, it's a government job, so I make like

1076
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 4: fifty dollars an hour, but most of the year I

1077
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 4: make twenty five. I just work really hard. I work

1078
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 4: a lot of hours, and I don't don't spend much.

1079
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 4: You save as much as you can. I don't know.

1080
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 4: I got relatives that lived through through two thousand and

1081
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 4: eight and saw it coming, and they feel which was

1082
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 4: the recession? If you didn't know, but they feel that

1083
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 4: there will be another one soon where the house market

1084
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Speaker 4: crashes and you'll be able to buy a house for

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Speaker 4: much less than the market is right now. And so

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Speaker 4: I've always been taught, you know, save your money and

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00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 4: if you know, someday a good deal will come up

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00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 4: and you'll have it. But yeah, I just save my

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01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 4: money as much as I can, and you know, don't

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Speaker 4: spend much. I work a lot. I work a lot.

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Speaker 2: And so what does your what does your wife do now?

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Speaker 2: Is she not working? She's just john.

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Speaker 4: Well, she is in her I guess it'd be towards

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01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 4: the end of her first trimester, but she's working full

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01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 4: time as well. And once she has the kids, she's

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Speaker 4: basically going to retire until her all of our kids

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01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 4: are you know, eighteen, are out of the house. But

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Speaker 4: she does have goals and aspirations, and we agree that

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Speaker 4: she'll put her career kind of to the side as

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Speaker 4: I develop mine into the lignement industry. She's going to

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01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 4: raise the kids. And you know, once the kids are

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Speaker 4: raised and she has more time or in school where

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01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 4: she you know, she has a lot more free time,

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01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 4: she can start working on her career. And I should

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01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 4: be in a good financial spot to be able to

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Speaker 4: help her to do with what or she wants. She

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01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 4: really wants to do aesthetics, so, you know, because women

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01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 4: like their face all done up, moisturized, whatever else. I mean.

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Speaker 2: Does she seem happy about the situation, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: She couldn't be happier. And I'm the same way. We

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01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 4: both like we were kind of planners so early on

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Speaker 4: in the relationship. We you know, wrote down on paper

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Speaker 4: goals and aspirations, and you know, luckily enough they were aligned,

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01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 4: and so we're right on track to where we want

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01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 4: to be. You know, you look at other people our age,

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01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 4: you know they're still a partying. I go to bed

1117
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 4: at seven thirty eight o'clock every night when I can,

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01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 4: I wake up really early. I don't I don't go

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Speaker 4: to the bar ever. I try not too even on

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01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 4: the weekends. I just I just worked as much as

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01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 4: I can and save and when I am free, I

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01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 4: you know, hang out with my best friends from high

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01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 4: school and spend a lot of time with my wife.

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01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 4: I do a lot of fishing, hunting. I'm a very

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01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 4: outdoorsy person. I grew up on a ranch. So and

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01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 4: her families. They own a logging company, so yeah, we're

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01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 4: you know, we're making it work for getting by. It's

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01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 4: not always, it's not always you know, easy.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, well, you know, it sounds like you guys

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01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 2: are both. I mean, if you had three hundred people

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01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 2: at the wedding, it sounds like you have a strong

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01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 2: community around you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, they were the most of them were family.

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01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 4: We got a big family on both sides, and we're

1135
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 4: very loved and we love love all of our family.

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01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 4: You know, we don't have any I guess I say,

1137
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 4: tweakers or drug addicts in our family, only us kids.

1138
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 4: You know, we evade, but nobody smokes. To my knowledge,

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01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 4: I have a very clean, straightforward family. Yeah, I'm not.

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01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 4: I'm not personally a religious person, but it would probably

1141
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 4: help in the oncoming future.

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Speaker 2: We'll see, there's probably what in the youngcoming future.

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01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 4: It would probably help in the oncoming future.

1144
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 2: That was what you said. You said religion would help

1145
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 2: in the oncoming future.

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01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure it would particular that way.

1147
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 4: What makes you feel that way, I'm I'm do you

1148
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 4: ever watch Young Sheldon?

1149
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 2: You No, I've never watched. I have not watched it.

1150
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 4: I like, I am right with that kid. I you know, faith,

1151
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 4: religion is faith sciences facts, and I just choose facts.

1152
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 4: I like evolution and whatnot. It kind of appeals to

1153
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 4: me versus religion. And most of the people that I

1154
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 4: know personally that are religious, they turned religious when a

1155
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 4: terrible event happened in his life, so they relied on it,

1156
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 4: which you know, I'm not dissing on that. That's a

1157
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 4: good thing. They need all the help they can. And

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01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 4: I've never been in a situation where I needed religion.

1159
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 4: I've never been to church for funerals and whatnot. I

1160
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 4: wasn't married in a church or anything. Is out in

1161
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 4: a pasture like a horse pasture. But yeah, I'm not

1162
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 4: I'm not particularly religion religious, but my wife thinks it

1163
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 4: might be a good idea for our kids to grow

1164
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 4: up in a religious household. I kind of was, you know,

1165
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 4: we said held hands, said grace every night before dinner.

1166
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 4: So I do agree with the morale it provides, but

1167
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 4: I don't go to church on Sundays.

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01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 2: I do agree that it provides a sense of culture.

1169
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 4: And community, yeah, in which I do like.

1170
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I mainly have problems with it

1171
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 2: when it like is used to invoke like fear.

1172
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And you know, I can't totally agree because

1173
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 4: I have no idea. I don't I've never read the Bible.

1174
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 4: I don't know much about religion because I've never you know,

1175
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 4: put much time or thought towards it, because I don't know.

1176
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 4: I just watched Animal Planet, and I feel like that

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01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 4: might kind of against religious religion. But who knows.

1178
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Speaker 2: Well. I appreciate you, yeah, of course, crap. I feel

1179
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 2: like I should have remembered your name.

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Speaker 7: It was Josh starts with an l oh logan Logan,

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01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 7: No I remember logan. Logan is nice talking, Yeah, for sure.

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01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: I hope that you sound you sound blessed, You sound

1184
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 2: like you have a nice future. I hope you're you know,

1185
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 2: good to your family. I hope your family is good

1186
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,439
Speaker 2: to you. I hope that the the soil is good

1187
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,439
Speaker 2: to you. I I don't know if you're on a farm.

1188
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 2: I don't think you said you were, but I'm going

1189
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 2: to pretend I grew up on a farm. I hope

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01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 2: the soil is good to you. And good luck in

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01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 2: your life. Brother.

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01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 4: Thank you. You enjoyed the rest of your evening.

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01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 2: Hey, take care.

1194
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 4: Logan all right, But.

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01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 2: Logan is interesting Logan's interesting. I'm talking. We're talking to

1196
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 2: Logan and you know, he's talking and he's saying things

1197
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 2: where I'm like, you know, but you know what, listen,

1198
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 2: I don't know. We live in the same Me and

1199
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 2: Logan and everyone listening to this. We all live on

1200
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 2: the same stupid planet. We're all gonna die. You know,

1201
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 2: you gotta figure it out. We live on we we

1202
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 2: live every every when I think comes to terms with

1203
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 2: the fact, you gotta come to terms with the fact

1204
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 2: that you live in a place with lots of people

1205
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 2: who uh uh uh, you know, treat life differently than

1206
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 2: you might. Everything is so much bigger than you. I

1207
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 2: don't know, politics and economics and social whatever. It's just

1208
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 2: it's the reconciliation of that fact. I'm waxing poetic too much,

1209
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 2: but I wanted to have some post call thoughts. That

1210
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 2: was Logan. Hello, folks, it's Lyle here. That's the end

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Speaker 2: of this episode. But get this, I'm releasing a bonus

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Speaker 2: think I've ever talked to. You have a red face

1222
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Speaker 2: with big rosy cheeks. Tell me how else have you

1223
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 2: thought to consume breast milk? Would you put chocolate syrup

1224
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 2: in it? Would you make it as part of a milkshake? Well?

1225
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Speaker 1: I mean why not?

1226
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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know. I feel like if I

1228
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 5: became a dad, It's like I always tell people, like,

1229
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,560
Speaker 5: if I ever became a dad, I gotta make fatherhood

1230
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 5: like efcentric. I gotta make it like not born like.

1231
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Speaker 2: episode description that's therapy Gecko dot supercast dot com. All right,

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Speaker 2: I have nothing else to say.

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Speaker 1: Never goes on the.

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Speaker 2: Line, making your song calls every night.

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Speaker 1: Everything goes to stagingsud in the mean of your life.

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Speaker 2: An expert