1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Celebrating twenty five years of Jaguars football. Fight's got her 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: at the twenty He's at the tent, He's at the 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: five Park. Simmits touchdown. Jaguars Jackuars? Did you know? Jack 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: Jack Warris? Did you Jaguars Drive Time right and sex 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: steps that John O Jock? Actually, Jaguarris Drive Time starts 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: right now. Good morning and happy Wednesday morning to you. 7 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: We have a show for you, CBS Sports. Pete Prisco 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: joins us shortly as well as Sam Farmer from the 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: l A Times to talk about what we all are 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: talking about. Jalen Ramsey traded to the Los Angeles Rams 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: for two first rounders in a fourth round pick. As 12 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: we bring in Pete Prisco, CVA Sports, thank you for 13 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: waking up early with us exciting news drama filled Pete, 14 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: what do you think about it? Yeah, I mean it 15 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: runs of course. Um I initially I didn't think they 16 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: would trade him, but everybody at tired of the entire 17 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: situation and it makes a lot of sense to get 18 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: rid of him when you get that kind of hall. 19 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you get two first round picks in the 20 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: fourth round pick. That's great value for a guy. They 21 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: got more for Jalen Ramsey than the Bears did for 22 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: Khalil Max. So in the end, I think it was 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: a big win for the Jaguars. Hey, look, the Rams 24 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: think they're gonna contend this year. Getting a corner of 25 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: that talent is a is a good move for them 26 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: as well as they try and play more man and 27 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: man coverage in the secondary. Is there an element to 28 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: pete of And I thought about this time last night. Um, 29 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: there are certain positions that can hold a franchise, uh 30 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 1: against its will. Whatever you call it. A quarterback, maybe 31 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: you bend the organization around a little bit. I don't 32 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: know that you do it with this position as great 33 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: as he is, and he's a great player. Yeah, and 34 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: you can stay away from the corner, you know, It's 35 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: not like, you know, you can go back, drop back 36 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: and go to the other side all the time and 37 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: stay away from that corner. So you're right, Ocean, I 38 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: don't think that this is one of those situations where 39 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: you can hold a franchise hostage. And and everybody's now 40 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: into that, the whole whole the franchise houses. They couldn't 41 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: let him sit and Rod if they wanted to, let's 42 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: let's be honest about it. He could have he could 43 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: have played this game for the entire year. Then he 44 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: would have to play a game the entire year next year, 45 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: and and then what then they could attacked them. I mean, 46 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: they could have done whatever they wanted to do with him. 47 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: He they had the leverage he did not. So uh, 48 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, this whole notion that he got what he 49 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: wanted because he did what he did. Maybe so, but 50 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: they could have played the hard ball and he had 51 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: no recourse if they did. This was a huge I'm sorry, 52 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: but this was a huge Uh. You know, Antonio Brown 53 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: went for what to the Raiders a third and fourth, right, correct? 54 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: So I mean, why do you think this worked to 55 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: where you got two first round picks because you just 56 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: don't see that in trade. Well, I think desperation sets 57 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: in at this time of the year. Teams, you know, 58 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: look around and and they say, hey, wait, I gotta 59 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: I gotta get this corner. I got my team as 60 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: a chance, I think we can win the division to 61 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: try and make a run to the super Bowl. And 62 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Rams, and so they got a 63 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: little bit desperate. But there were other teams too, I 64 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: mean the Eagles were nosing around, and they were they 65 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: They're obviously desperate for secondary help, and at this time 66 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: of the year, you get a little more desperate than 67 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: you might, you know, otherwise be in the off season. 68 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: So it actually worked out for the Jaguars. And you 69 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: know shod Khan coming out last week saying he wasn't 70 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: gonna trade him, He's gonna play. Maybe that up the 71 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: any a little bit and maybe he's a less smarter 72 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: than the rest of us, because I didn't really think 73 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: they were to trade. No. I didn't either, And and 74 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: I'm like you and others who wonder what kind of 75 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: message this sends. Antonio Brown, Levian Bell, Jalen Ramsey. Are 76 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: we at the point now where a particular player can 77 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: force his way out? Um? I think you even had 78 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: a tweet last night to say, you know who's next, 79 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: who's disgruntled next? Um, it's just that part of It's 80 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: the part I don't like. And I was somebody that said, hey, 81 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: keep him, because I do think he's a generational talent. 82 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: I think he's that kind of guy that you may 83 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: never have come through your organization. Again. Um, but here's 84 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: what I here's what I sensed yesterday talking to people, 85 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: and and Monday too was that where the locker room 86 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: was on him after Houston. It has slowly gone after 87 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: last week, and it got to the point where, no 88 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: matter what, after he didn't play Sunday, the Jaguars had 89 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: to be looking because there was no way to get 90 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: him back. In that locker room, I heard the exact 91 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: same thing that they had, you know, obviously tired of 92 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: the whole stick in the act, and you're out there 93 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: working your butt off to try and win football games, 94 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: and you got a guy we don't know for certainty 95 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,119 Speaker 1: that he was doing it, but you have your doubt 96 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: whether he was yanking it or not. When you're a 97 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: player in the National Football League and and you're you're 98 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: playing through stuff, and you're working your practice and and 99 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: somebody isn't, you're gonna look at them differently. And this 100 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: isn't about business, because guys don't want to get involved 101 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: in other guys business. This is about football. And he 102 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: was not on the field, he wasn't part of the team. 103 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: And I think you're spot on, Brian, and they had 104 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: tired of the whole act and they were ready to 105 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: let him go. So Pete, how did the Jaguars win this. 106 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: I mean, everyone wants to put a grade on it 107 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,239 Speaker 1: today and and that's what people do in our business. 108 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: But to me, you win this next year in the 109 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: draft and one in the draft, you don't necessarily win 110 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: it today. I mean, yeah, Dave called well and Tom Coughlin, 111 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: they got what they said that they wanted and they 112 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: came away with the ammunition. Um. But I wonder what's 113 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: it gonna take for the Jaguars to be able to 114 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: overcome losing a player like this, um long term? Well, 115 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: I think you mentioned it. You gotta win in the draft, 116 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: and you can't blow those picks a and you gotta 117 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: hope like heck, like Trey Herndon after the first week 118 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: has actually been a feisty little corner. At the one thought, 119 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: he's played pretty good football. And and so if you 120 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: can get by with Trey Herndon and then go supplement 121 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: your roster with good draft picks and and now you 122 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: have some flexibility in the draft next year if you 123 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: wanted to go make a move to go up or whatever, 124 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: then then I think you could do that. The other 125 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: thing is is where are the Rams right now? You know, 126 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: right the three and three they're reeling a little bit. 127 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: Their offensive line is bad, their defense can't stop a buddy. 128 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: You know, they got free agents next year, the you 129 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: know there probably retire, so that that draft pick in 130 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: two thousand and twenty one might be a lot better 131 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: than you think it is. So um, I think that's 132 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: where you win. You have to draft well and and 133 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: you know, for all the criticism call well taken over 134 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: the last couple of years, and the draft last year 135 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: was pretty darn good. I mean if you look at 136 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: it on the surface, and the one before that was 137 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: to do you really think this will turn into a 138 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: meaningful Tranpete? And what I mean by that is this 139 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: Antonio Brown left uh and in retrospect, he's a guy 140 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: that a lot of people don't want on their team. 141 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: A running back in Levy on Bell forced his way out. 142 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: Do you really think that franchise foundation pieces, left tackles, 143 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: pass rushers are going to be part of this or 144 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: is it more of a guy can force his way 145 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: out if they really don't for some reason want him. 146 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: I and I'm not saying Jared didn't want Jalen Ramsey, 147 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: But like we said, it's not a quarterback, it's not 148 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: a foundation piece in the traditional sense. I'm just not 149 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: sure that these guys who are leaving are guys the 150 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: teams were just being in over backwards to keep no 151 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: and Antonio Brown didn't show up in week seventeen. Last 152 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: week he quit on his team. The teammates turned on 153 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: him too. That's when it really goes bad when the 154 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: teammates back away from the whole situation and don't care 155 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: and don't want him. And I think that's what you're 156 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: talking about, Ocean, you know, the front office. Look, this 157 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: Steelers tolerated a lot of crap for Antonio Brown for 158 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: a long time. But once his teammates started turn on 159 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: him and he put on him in week seventeen, that 160 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: was the end of it. He had to go. Uh 161 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: you know, Jalen Ramsey, you can say what you want, 162 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: but probably some of those guys in the locker room 163 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: think did he quit on them? They had to go. 164 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: That's when you have to go. Khalil Mack was a 165 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: different situation. He was clearly in the contract, but most 166 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: of them and it was a new new coach, new 167 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: front office and everything else. But most of the time, 168 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: it's gonna be real hard. It is in the n 169 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: b A, one guy doesn't you know, aside from the quarterback, 170 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: one guy doesn't really matter that much. I don't care 171 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: what the position is. Where Like in the n b A, 172 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: you can get two guys and you're gonna compete for 173 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: a title. That's not the way it is in the NFL. 174 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: So I don't think it's gonna get to that. Malcontents 175 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: are gonna end up, you know what they're gonna end 176 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: up doing. Look what Trent Williams is doing right now now, 177 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: he's upset for a different reason. He's sitting out losing 178 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: a boatload of money. How to work out for Melvin Gordon, 179 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: all he did was lose money, you get a new contract. 180 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: So no, I don't think it's gonna be a trend 181 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: because I don't think that these guys have that kind 182 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: of leverage. And one of the reasons, if you if 183 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: you just look at it, that the Jaguars were able 184 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: to move him and get what they wanted out of it. Remember, 185 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: Marcus Peters was an All Pro corner a few years ago, 186 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: also a hell of a player that year in Kansas City, 187 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: and a guy that the Rams wanted badly. They got 188 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: a linebacker for him. But the reason why this guy 189 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: was able to get two first round picks and a 190 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: fourth because he's on his rookie deal. I mean, Pete, 191 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: it feels like he has been here forever. He's only 192 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: been here for three years and two games. Three games, right, 193 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: I mean, he's on a rookie contract. It makes sense 194 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: for the Rams because they've got the fifth year option 195 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: next year and they've got the ability now to franchise 196 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: him twice if they want. They've got leverage. My question 197 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: to you is will they use it? Or is Chalon 198 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: Ramsey the new Dion Sanders, which I'm sure his ego 199 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: tells him he won to be. But he's going to 200 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: go from you know, the Rams, to the Cowboys, to 201 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: the Niners, to the Falcons to the Ravens and playing 202 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: six different cities because he wears his act. Then guys, 203 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: hang on one second, sorry interrupt you, pe. We just 204 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: have breaking news from Tom Coughlin given a statement just now, 205 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: given the situation with Jalen, we made this decision based 206 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: on what we thought is in the best interest of 207 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars for this season and well into the future. 208 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: We feel the trade that we struck with the Rams 209 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: gives us great value for the next two drafts, and 210 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: we remain very confident that our team today will compete 211 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: this season for a division title. Jalen was a productive player, 212 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: but the time, but the time came to move on, 213 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: and we wish him the best of luck in Los Angeles. 214 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah. He also wishes you well with 215 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: your dental appointment, Pete. Right, I mean, come on, blah 216 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. What are you saying, Tom, Come on, 217 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: put the real stuff out there. Bottom line is, you 218 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: know he's going to be a player that if you 219 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: trade two first round picks for him, you better pay him. 220 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: You get you have to. The Rams have to pay him. 221 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: You can't him up that kind of capital and let 222 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 1: him walk and even just franchise tag him for a 223 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: year or two. I think you have to give him 224 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: a new contract and they will. And and you know what, 225 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, they were not happy with the way to 226 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: leave was playing mostly and now he's on I right. 227 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: They couldn't play enough man the man coverage, and and 228 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: Jay was gonna get what he wants. They're gonna play 229 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: more man press man, and that's what he wants final thought, 230 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: then Pete ranked the best corners in the game today? 231 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: Is Jayalen the best? Or is the Alexander Kidd In 232 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: Green Bay? We saw Marshawn Lattimore on Sunday and he 233 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: looked as good as any corner in the league. What 234 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: what did the Rams get? Did they get the best 235 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: corner or a top five corner? What did they get? 236 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: They got, arguably that the best corner, But he hasn't 237 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: played to that. I'll be honest, he has not played 238 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: to that level. And and so you know I would 239 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: take him first, but he has to play to it. 240 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: He has the most ability, he has the ability to 241 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: be the best, but he hasn't played to that. If 242 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: he asked me who's played the best over the last 243 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: couple of years, it is probably Gilmore up in New England. 244 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: I think he's that guy, but you mentioned a couple 245 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: other ones. Alexander's playing Green Bereen Bay. Lattimore is a 246 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: little bit up and down, but he plays the best 247 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: receivers really well. He just kind of drifts a little 248 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: bit like Jalen did against bad players. So I don't 249 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: think there's a clear number one. But if he asked 250 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: me which one I would take. If I was the 251 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: coach that I could handle them, I would take Jalen 252 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: ram Fits. Hey, Pete, thanks for your time this morning. 253 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: All right, guys, thank Grol Coughlan. Please don't let him 254 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: get away with that statement. You can go ahead and 255 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: call him and tell him that I will appreciate all 256 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: right when we come back much much more about this 257 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey trade will looked at Twitter with all of 258 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: the players and everyone's talking about it. 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When we 285 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 1: just said, if you're watching on Jaguars dot com, you 286 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: can see it there. It is all over Twitter. Tom 287 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: Coughlin speaking out about the Jalen Ramsey trade short to 288 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: the point, good luck Jalen, but we have to focus 289 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: on this team right now. I'm glad that Tom heck 290 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: came out and said something. The only voice we've heard 291 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: on this is from the Jagger's perspective has been Dug 292 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: and Doug is the first one to tell you he 293 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: doesn't control the roster. So we needed some sort of 294 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: perspective on this as well. UM like to know more. 295 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: I wish we could get him in here, you know, 296 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: and have a conversation about it, but I don't think 297 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: that's forthcoming. Yeah, and anything Doug Brown speaks, stay at 298 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: eleven o'clock in the questions he's going to get in 299 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: his position. He really and he's dealt with it this 300 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: entire month. And he by the way, just so that 301 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: people aren't expecting anything. He's the coach. He doesn't care 302 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: about next year's draft or the years after. All he 303 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: cares about is what it takes to win on Sunday 304 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: against Cincinnati and end a two game losing streak. As 305 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: as a coach, does he want a player like Jalen 306 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: in a secondary without a doubt? But will he understand 307 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: what the locker room is probably going to go through, 308 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: which is a cathartic day of no more Jalen. Questions 309 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: will come to that and then it's over as far 310 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: as they're concerned, there's no point for them to answer 311 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: any more questions about Jalen. So, you know, hopefully this 312 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: is a galvanizing moment for a team that needs something 313 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: to rally around right now. This could be really positive 314 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: for the locker room. Again, short term pain not having 315 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: a player like Jalen on the field, long term gain 316 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: what it means for your draft, for your salary cap. 317 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: You know, for the culture. The culture of that locker 318 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: room has not been as strong as it needs to be. 319 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest with you, there's there have 320 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: been some people in that locker room that have brought 321 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: it down from a character perspective, and Jalen is one 322 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: of them. He's now gone. So let's see if the 323 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: stronger culture players take over. Right. I do think over 324 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: the last few weeks, I'll see about what I've said. 325 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: I don't think Jalen has been a distraction to these 326 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: players because I think once he did what he did 327 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: in Houston, I think for the most part, it was 328 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: a fine whatever that's gonna happen. Three thoughts. First of all, 329 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: I wonder how long Jalen will be happy in Los Angeles, 330 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: because I don't I don't care what you pay him. 331 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: I just wonder how long the grass will be greener. Uh. 332 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: And hence my Deon Sanders question to Pete, I think 333 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: he's always going to be looking for you. I think 334 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot of sizzle with him. There's some positional 335 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: stuff in that too. I hear what you're saying about personality. 336 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: Darryl Reevers, remember jumped around a lot. Uh. Some teams 337 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: just will not pay that position. You know, twenty million 338 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: dollars for that position, generational money. It's hard at that 339 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: spot because it's a position you can get away from. 340 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: The final thought I had was, um, I got you. Guys, 341 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: can take us to the circus. Since this one is 342 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: now congratulations, This is just what I want. Peanuts and 343 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: popcorn for everybody for free. Well, I didn't pay more. 344 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: You guys know that. Uh. There will be people today 345 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: that will question just how good Jalen Rams he is. 346 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: He's good, It's all over. He wasn't actually that good. Well, 347 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: just go back and look at two interceptions he made 348 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: last year, the one in London where he came from 349 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: the far side of the field and Carson Wentz could 350 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: never have seen him coming, could never have thought that 351 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: he was going to get from way over here to 352 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: over here and make the pick, and then the one 353 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: a few weeks later against the Steelers here where he 354 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: got up over the top of Antonio Brown held him 355 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: off essentially and made a one handed interception, let alone 356 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: the one he did against the Bills in seen. The 357 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: guy is a great football player. He's a great player, 358 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: and you know, the tone of my voice says, yeah, 359 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: but but I'm not saying that. The X factor here, though, 360 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: is what Pete was talking about. Jalen is a great player, 361 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: and he has made great plays. And what you wish 362 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: was that he would have behaved differently and been a 363 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: guy you could put on the wall. That's what you wanted. 364 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: At the same time, Um, there's sort of this perception 365 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: and certainly in Jalen's mind that it's Jalen Ramsey here 366 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: and the rest of the league's corners and maybe the 367 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: rest of the league's players here. Uh, and he hasn't 368 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: watched any of the other corners. Well, but that's where 369 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: you get into a yeah, he's great, but is he 370 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: that much better? Is he that much of an impact 371 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: helping you on the field? Went five and eleven with 372 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: him last year. So, I mean that's think if you go, 373 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: if you have the absolute best disruptive edge rusher in 374 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: the game, is he making more impact the best quarterback 375 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: in the And I don't want to sit here and 376 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: say I'm diminishing Jalen because he was great, But that position, 377 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: can you completely disrupt the rest of the franchise for 378 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: I don't think. So it's to say ask the question, 379 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: how much better is Aaron Donald going to be with 380 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey. He's already happy, He's already the best football 381 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: player in the league non quarterback Aaron Donald is so 382 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 1: how much better? Forget? Do they get he's still running? Yeah, 383 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: it's pretty good parent Donald positionally? Um, how much better 384 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: is he up front? How much better can he possibly 385 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: be because of Jalen Ramsey? I get what you're saying 386 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: about Ramsey. Two years ago in the off season, it 387 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: was we all gonna miss me when I'm gone. Right, 388 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: He's always said that kind of stuff. He never saw 389 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: his long term future in Jacksonville ever, Because what did 390 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: he say about playing with Drwen James thousand I'll go 391 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: play with Drwen James right? What did he say on 392 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: the podcast earlier this year Vegas or what was the 393 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 1: other team? Tennessee? Right? He was always thinking about where 394 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: he was going next. It's the Jalen Ramsey traveling road show. 395 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: For him, it's it's a traveling road show. And he 396 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: and his agent are going to move him from place 397 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: to place to place to place, even going so far 398 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: as to disrupt the entire organization for a month if 399 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: they get what they want. Who wants that? I'm just 400 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: curious who? And there are people across the hallway who 401 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: will tell you who? Told me? What happens when we 402 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 1: pay him? Right? When you give him twenty million? What 403 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: do you get? Do you get an easier Chanlan? I 404 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: got the money. I'm so grateful. I'm going to shut 405 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: my mouth and play No. Hell No, you don't get 406 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: don I got a couple of questions last night in 407 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: the ozone mail bag. Um, what advice or whatever you 408 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: call it, what would you tell the Rams keep happy? Yeah, 409 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: and that's a big statement because I'm not sure how 410 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: you do it. Meaning, don't call a defense that he 411 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: doesn't like. Uh, don't say anything to him that he 412 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: doesn't want to hear. Um, No, you're being it's not 413 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: it's not a joke. That's that's the part I was. 414 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: I was somebody who really thought that the talent was 415 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: worth all that, and it's it's sort of ratcheted up 416 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 1: after after the Houston thing, where I don't know, I 417 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: thought at that point, when you paid him and it 418 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: was it calmed down and mature, it would be different. 419 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: But I do legitimately wonder, as snide as I was being, Um, 420 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: will you be able to keep them happy the first 421 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: time a defensive coordinator doesn't call what he wants on 422 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: that play? Um, the wheels went off, even when you 423 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: know he was all about winning. Well, he complained a 424 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: lot when they were winning. So I don't know where 425 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: the end game is going to be to keep him happy, 426 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure that it will. I wish that 427 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 1: wasn't the case. All right, So I know we've got 428 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: reaction on the league, but but we have reaction here 429 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: because we're here. So for a moment, let's forget about 430 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: the en rapid ports of the world. Um, you and I. Well, 431 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: before that, there was a dinner that Jalen hosted for 432 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: some behind the scenes of people here. Okay, you know 433 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: about it. Um, he took him all to dinner and 434 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: he dazzled them with his kindness, his graciousness, the way 435 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: that he treated the waite staff. He made an oppression 436 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: among these people because I asked the next day, how 437 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: was the dinner? It was for them, the people behind 438 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: the scenes. And part of the conversation that night was 439 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: how do we work together? I mean, let's not be naive, 440 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,479 Speaker 1: how do you help me? Right? But he wanted to 441 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: work better with some of the functionaries in the team right, 442 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: to make things, to tell the story better. You did 443 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: the interview with him, right, to tell the stories better, 444 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: all right? So then you and I saw him he 445 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: did his little dance out of the brinks drug. You 446 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: and I saw him on the field in Miami. And 447 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: what did he do as he walked off, as as 448 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: they were getting ready to walk off the field to 449 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: go back in the tunnel, what did he do? Yeah, 450 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: it's something we've never seen before. He stayed till the 451 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,239 Speaker 1: entire team walked into the locker room high five. Every 452 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: was never Jalen Ramsey. Jalen Ramsey was always either the 453 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: first one by himself or the last one by himself. 454 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: The show is his, show is his. What did he 455 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: do during the game? He was up encouraging the defensive backs, 456 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: the young defensive backs, many of whom had no chance 457 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: of making this team. But he was coaching and encouraging them. 458 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: So what did we come back and say, we're sealing 459 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: a different different Jalen Ramsey after the Chiefs game where 460 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: there were some blown coverages, he stood there and looked 461 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: cameras in the eye and said, well, we'll talk to 462 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: Wash will be good. This one's on the defense, he said, 463 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: this one's on us. We owe the offense. Now this 464 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: one's there. We thought, wow, okay, so Jalen really is 465 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: putting his money where his mouth is to get the 466 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: money right. It was all fine until somebody told him 467 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: something he didn't want to hear. Right, That's the point 468 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: the first quarter of that ballgame in Houston, when Doug 469 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: did not throw the flag. I still marvel that we 470 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: went from all of that sort of build up in 471 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: the preseason to where we were in Houston in one 472 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: three yard game, one first down. His eyes rolled in 473 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: the back of his head like a shark who had 474 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: bitten into a seal. He just couldn't let go. It 475 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: was preposterous, preposterous. I was catching up with the sailing analogy, 476 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: but I get, but we do. We paint word pictures here. 477 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: It's it's I unfortunately that leads you to say that 478 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: the true colors came out like that and uh, because 479 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: it's ridiculous that that one play could cause him to 480 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: push his coach and cause this whole thing. So everything 481 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: else that we saw was fraudulent, fake, because he can't 482 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: do that. He had that in him the whole time. 483 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: That was his plan. He was going to do something 484 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: this year to force this. The thing I can't get past. 485 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: And I know it's much much more complicated than this, 486 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: but the moment he said he didn't want to be here, 487 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: I let him go because in this locker room, why 488 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: would you want a guy that doesn't want to be here? 489 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: And I know it's so much more complicated than that. 490 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: Football your team. If you don't want to be here, 491 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: then leaf, But it's never that simple with the salary cap, 492 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: and you can't set the example. Although they are, they're 493 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: taking the risk now that other players will say I 494 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: don't want to be in Jacksonville either. You can't. You can't. 495 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: What if Leonard for Nette Besides this week that he 496 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: has sixty two yards total and they're not using him 497 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: right and just trade me to get me out of here, right, Well, 498 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: what would stop him from doing that now? Well, nothing, 499 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: because the example that you just said, well, you can't 500 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: just say every first round pick, you go, you go, 501 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: you go. You can't do that. Your salary cap won't, 502 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: the structure can't have it. It can't be as simple 503 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: as I don't want to be here, I'm out of here. 504 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: Apparently it is for Jalen. He poisoned the well to 505 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: a degree that you would hope no other player did 506 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: the I'm not even a social media guy, but the 507 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: Twitter and the and the Instagram and liking other people's 508 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: posts and all that stuff about the Saints, that that 509 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: poison the well. At some point you have to let 510 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: that one go. But if every player does it, you've 511 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: got a problem. The Jaguars are gonna have to deal 512 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: with the expectation that they've set here. They're willing to 513 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: do it at this point, but there don't expect that 514 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: there won't be any repercussions for their decision, that it 515 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 1: won't set something in motion. It probably will. Alright, speaking 516 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: of the social media, let's go around Twitter, because oh 517 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: is it boiling this morning, Let's go to Dante Fowler. 518 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: Remember him? Remember that guy? Yeah, he's in Los Angeles too, right, Yeah, 519 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: that's the connection. You're onto something. Dante Foller tweets today 520 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: has been one of the most emotional roller coasters I've 521 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: been on in a while. Welcome to l A. Brother 522 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: not good for Yes, reunited with Blake boardles in Dante 523 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: in l A. We're gonna have Sam Farmer, writer for 524 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: the l A Times, on at ten o'clock. He'll have 525 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: much more to say about that. But crazy that those 526 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: three of all players, those three are reunited in Los Angeles. 527 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to say to that. Yeah, I mean 528 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: we wish them well, yeah, all right, let's go to 529 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: London for net Jalen's buddy. We all know it was 530 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: kind of earlier the week we thought maybe Leonard was 531 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: taking some shots at Jalen. He just tweets out a 532 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: sad face because his friend is gone, exact because his 533 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: friend's gone, or because it's sad that it came to 534 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: this point that a grown man would force his way 535 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: out because someone didn't know what he wanted. I'm hoping 536 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: you never want to see a game no matter what happened. 537 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: At the end, you don't want to see somebody you've 538 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: played with, et cetera. You're sad when that ends. They 539 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: had some good times, you know. I think they were 540 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: collectively as a group tired of it at the end. 541 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: You wish it would work out. You know, usually a 542 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: tear and an emotion isn't all about one thing. I'm 543 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: sure there was part of Leonard and a lot of 544 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: guys were like, man, that it stinks. How did it 545 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: come to this? Over over Doug not finding the challenge? 546 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: And you remember the good time? Do you remember, just 547 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: like a break up. There was a photo There was 548 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: a photo we could find it of the two of 549 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: them before they were getting on the airplane to go 550 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh for the playoff game. And I remember looking 551 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: at saying, there's the future of the franchise right there. 552 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: And remember Jalen was at an all pro level at 553 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: that moment and Leonard, for ned was one of the 554 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: rising rookies in football and would have a huge impact 555 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: on the Jaguars winning the game the next day. And 556 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 1: from that moment to hear what's the Jaguars record? Uh six? 557 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: Not yeah? I mean six is eight and sixteen. I 558 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't have thought that when I looked at the picture 559 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: the next day. Things change in a hurry, and the 560 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: way I interpreted when I saw that was sad. Sad 561 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: that it got to this point more than sad that 562 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: he said that it didn't work. Yeah, and finally I 563 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: was going to put this in the show before all 564 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: the Jalen Ramsey news happened. It's what Miles Jack said 565 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: on his Instagram when I thought, oh man, this is 566 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: this is getting interested. Miles Jack on his Instagram puts 567 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: grind over Pride. Jalen Ramsey earlier said I really don't 568 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: be caring what you all are thinking or saying. Miles 569 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: Jack later on Instagram grind over Pride, and I thought, oh, 570 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: things are getting interesting. Later on that night I found 571 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: out it was much more interesting than Again, I don't 572 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: think the players. I can't speak for him, but my 573 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: impression of it is not so much anger with Jalen 574 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: as done with it. Ye you know, it's enough. Now 575 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: it's time for us to go to work and hopefully 576 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: this becomes a moment that the Jaguars can galvanize around. 577 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: I'll just I'll pull one out of the old record book, 578 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: and that is the day that they cut Andre Rise 579 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: and again not the same player at that moment in 580 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: his career that Jalen Ramsey is in his But when 581 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: all those players were sitting around his feet that day 582 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: in the locker room, I said, this ship is sinking. 583 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: Does anybody have a bucket. It's time to start bailing. 584 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: And it didn't happen that way. They went on a 585 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: seven game winning streak and got to the a f 586 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: C Championship game. So that was a galvanizing moment for 587 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: a locker room that needed it. Perhaps we can see 588 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: a galvanizing moment from this that gives the Jaguars a 589 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: chance to do what Tom said, which is get involved 590 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: in the division race. I gotta win the next two 591 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: the win, you hope. So all right, when we come back, 592 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: Sam Farmer, l. A. Times Writers joins us, John's got 593 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: to go, but hey, thanks for the circus tickets. Kind 594 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: of very final. Gotta get traded next. 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You want great barbecue, you want Bonos. 621 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: Plenty of parking, clean family restaurants and oh, by the way, 622 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: the best barbecue you have ever had. So if you 623 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: want great barbecue, head to Bonos today, the official barbecue 624 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: of the Jacksonville Jaguars. We're back Jack's Drive Time Wednesday morning. 625 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: All Jalen Ramsey. This morning we had a show with 626 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew and all this stuff going on that's out 627 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: there for the last time. This is the Jayla Ramsey Show. Yes, absolutely, 628 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: as we welcome in Sam Farmer, who's l a Times 629 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: writer covering the Rams. Sam, how's it going. Thank you 630 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: freaking up early for us? Yeah, my pleasure. And let's 631 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: let's give him the proper introduction. He's also the Dick 632 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: McCann Award winner, which means that his name hangs in 633 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,719 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame amongst the writers who have covered 634 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: this league. Congratulations on that honor. By the way, Sam, Oh, 635 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: thanks so much. I really appreciate that We're trying to 636 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: get our our heads around this. Obviously, Um, the Rams 637 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: send two picks, and they've sent a boatload of picks 638 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: out of their organization in recent years. They're swinging for 639 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: the fences this year. Is that what this move is? Yeah? 640 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,479 Speaker 1: I think it sort of marks. It's been the hallmark 641 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: of his team since they come to l A. They're 642 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: really not risk averse. I mean, whether it was making 643 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: the move to l A build in this five billion 644 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: dollar stadium, which is just staggering. I still can't wrap 645 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: my head around that number. Um making the biggest trade 646 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: ever up up in the first round of the number 647 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: one pick to get Jared Goff and then and then 648 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: right pulling out their check checkbook for extensions on golf 649 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: and Aaron Donald and Todd Curley, And you might not 650 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: like all the moves, but they're definitely very aggressive. And 651 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: this is clearly something that I think they've been thinking 652 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: about quite a while. But but it's definitely this oh 653 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: and three stretch definitely brought it in focus. So we've 654 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: seen Jalen in his All Pro Pro Bowl career, He's 655 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: made some amazing place We've seen him shut down DeAndre 656 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: Hopkins in Week two this year. In man coverage that 657 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: day he had three catches for fourteen yards, which coming 658 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: off the week he had had against New Orleans the 659 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: week before. I didn't know that it was possible. So 660 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: I get Jalen is a great cornerback. How much better 661 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: does he make the Rams defense? In other words, Aaron 662 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: Donald's one of the highest paid players in the game 663 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: and one of the best two or three players in 664 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: the game that's not named Tom Brady. Um, how much 665 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: better does Jalen Ramsey make them in your estimation? You know, 666 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: I really think that remains to be seen because they 667 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: still have an issue on the other side. They've got 668 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: Robie Coleman and Troy Hill and you know, not a 669 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: dominating quarter on the other side. Maybe that forces quarterbacks 670 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: just to throw away from Jalen Ramsey, which I'm sure, 671 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: but the Rams also have a problem stopping the run 672 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: and you know, getting rid of and Dominican sue even 673 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: though he wasn't that great during the regular season and 674 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: sort of got much better as as as the playoffs approached, 675 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: and during the playoffs having that big run stopper in 676 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: there in the middle allowed Aaron Donald to do his thing. 677 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: Now he's got to hang back and try to stop 678 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: the run, and his attentions are divided a little bit 679 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: because he's got a younger player next to him. Um, 680 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: so we'll see, you know, well, clearly isn't it's gonna help. 681 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: It's definitely going to help. Whether this transforms the Rams defense, 682 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: we don't know. But the Rams do have sort of 683 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: a soft ramp up to this because they play at Atlanta, 684 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: which I think is probably the second worst team in 685 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: the league right now, and then they play Cincinnati in 686 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: London and then have their by so they have some 687 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: time to sort of work Jalen Ramsey into the fold 688 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: and see if they can turn around this defense, because 689 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, that's one of their problems. The other problem 690 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: is their offensive line. There's some foundational cracks with the Rams. 691 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: They're gonna be hard to overcome. If they can patch 692 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 1: up their line, and a lot of teams are dealing 693 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: with broken offensive lines right now, they can patch that 694 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: up and then make some rides on defense. Because listen, 695 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: Marcus Peters was getting burned deep all the time. I 696 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: mean he was. If there was a guy going deep, 697 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: you could always see number twenty two chasing them, whether 698 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,280 Speaker 1: that was his fault all the time or not remains 699 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: to be seen. Rams know that better than I do. 700 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: But he was always sort of in the picture, um chasing, 701 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: and I don't think Jalen Ramsey will be that way. 702 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: It's no secret Sam that Jalen Ramsey wants to play 703 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: man and man coverage. You made that very known here. 704 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,760 Speaker 1: Do you think the Rams will somewhat tailor to his wants? 705 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: Are they going to expect him to just stick into 706 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: the defense that they have right now? I think there 707 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: are hands are going to uh Taylor to his desires. 708 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't you don't you know commit that 709 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: much in draft picks and and uh money and effort 710 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: to get a guy and then try to mold him 711 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: into system. They like what he does, what he can do. 712 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: He's a playmaker. They're going to try to try to 713 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: showcase him as a playmaker and let him do what 714 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: he does best. And so UM I think they they 715 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: conform around Jalen Ramsey more than having him fit their mold. 716 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 1: Will they pay him well? I think I think they will. 717 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: I mean Stan Crocky has shown if if you look, 718 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: and they paid as I said, goff Aaron Donald. All 719 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: these are record breaking contracts tied Gurley. Now, obviously there's 720 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: a salary gap, so you have to um. But I 721 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: think with the kind of commitment that they've made in 722 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: terms of draft picks, they're saying this is for the 723 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 1: long haul. This isn't for this season when there's three 724 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: and three just to patch this up. This is a 725 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,919 Speaker 1: long term commitment. So I'm sure they will pay him again. 726 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: My only way, I guess, my only question about it is, 727 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: you know, they now are paying all of these players, 728 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: and they don't have the draft choices, the top draft 729 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: choices anymore through what so I guess they have to 730 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: double down and go for it now because when some 731 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: of these guys stopped playing, there's not going to be 732 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: that next generation of top draft picks. I guess the 733 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: Rams are swinging for defences. Yeah, and they've they've also 734 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: sort of revealed their strategy, which is, listen, we're gonna 735 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: build through free agency. We're not going to build through 736 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: the draft as much. But they've found some good players 737 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: in the later rounds of the draft. You know, John Johnson, 738 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: a Cooper Cup, you know, various, um, various players that 739 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:51,399 Speaker 1: they've built around. Samson evercom anyway, they've historically, at least 740 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,919 Speaker 1: in the recent history of traded away their first round 741 00:37:53,920 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: picks um for good free agents. So you know, that's 742 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: sort of their philosophy right now. I don't think they're 743 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: too worried about that. They realize that they have a window, 744 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: uh with a lot of young players right now, and 745 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: you know the NFC, they're able to clearly establish themselves. 746 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: So if they can stop the bleeding after the sell 747 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: and three run, um, I think they're still in the mix. 748 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: And and clearly the next three weeks will be critical 749 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: for them to win the games they're supposed to win, 750 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: and I kind of think they will. Yeah, yeah, I 751 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: went too so well, Sam, thanks so much. We appreciate 752 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,919 Speaker 1: your time today. Have a great week, Sam, We appreciate it. 753 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: It's early where Sam is, it's uh ten minutes after seven, 754 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: so yeah, he's got to get moving along. Um. I 755 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: get what Sam saying. And look, they are in a 756 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: five billion dollar stadium. I mean, if anything worries me 757 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 1: about the future of the NFL for a market like 758 00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: a Jacksonville, is that this stadium costs allion maybe when 759 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: you I don't know, that's five billion that is going 760 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: to generate an enormous amount of revenue. You want to 761 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,879 Speaker 1: know why London is important, look at what they're doing 762 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: over there in l a um so I kind of 763 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: get where their philosophies. They're gonna have the cash to 764 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: pay these guys. But what if Jalen Aaron Donald, these 765 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: high price guys, Brandon Cooks, Todd Gurley doesn't look like 766 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: Todd Gurley anymore. A golf suffer's catastrophic injury, then you 767 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: don't have draft choices to replace it. The draft is 768 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: designed to give teams long windows, right, because players come in, 769 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: you develop them, they played a fixed cost, and then 770 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: you choose which ones you can afford to keep. Um 771 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 1: when you're going through free agency, when that blows up 772 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: and we know that Jacks fans, right, we've seen that before. 773 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: It blows up big so. But that's them, and we're 774 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 1: done with the Rams at this point. We're done with 775 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 1: the whole Jalen Ramsey thing at this point, and it's 776 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: time for the Jaguars to figure out what they're going 777 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: to be. Yep, the Rams are gunning for it, that's 778 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: for sure. Go for it, go for it all right. 779 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: When we come back, some final thoughts and it's timeline 780 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,280 Speaker 1: for today. That locker room is going to be exciting, 781 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 1: to say the least. Right here on Jaggs Drive Time 782 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,720 Speaker 1: when you hear think Duval Motor Company, a proud partner 783 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: of the Jacksonville Jaguars. 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It's 808 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: not Judge Drive Time this morning, It's the Jalen Ramsey Show. 809 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: But as we promised, this is the last Shale Ramsey 810 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: Show because this season we've kind of had like one 811 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: a week. The more I reflect on what triggered this 812 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: whole thing, the more convinced I am that it was 813 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,440 Speaker 1: a contrived act on the part of Jalen and his 814 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,720 Speaker 1: agent to get paid. This year. He was making three 815 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 1: point six and that's well below what he's worth, clearly 816 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,439 Speaker 1: well below what he's worth. So there was gonna be something, 817 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,280 Speaker 1: whether it was that play in Houston or something against 818 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,359 Speaker 1: the Titans. At some point. They were going to try 819 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 1: to get out and get to a bigger market and 820 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: get somewhere where he was going to get paid this year. Um. 821 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 1: I know that sounds Oliver Stone esque, but I believe it. 822 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,880 Speaker 1: I believe that this was something that they contrived. Here's 823 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 1: my confusion is Jalen had made a public that it's 824 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 1: not about the money. He doesn't want to it's about 825 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,800 Speaker 1: the money. Yeah, And then this morning on NFL Network 826 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: they're reporting that Jalen Ramsey will continue to play on 827 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: his rookie deal and that's why it was such a 828 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 1: great self for the Rams to bring him in well 829 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 1: for this year. They don't, but they don't. They have 830 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 1: less money than the Jaguars do. Right. The Jaguars now 831 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 1: have twelve million dollars in salarycap room. The Rams have 832 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: less than six. It can't be about the money right 833 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: right now, right unless they do some ridiculous this extension. 834 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: And you heard Sam Farmer think say that you've got 835 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: to pay him now, You're giving up all this capital 836 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: for that. Um, but boy, they have two million dollars 837 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: in dead money locked up in a cup, four guys. 838 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: So they've got some salary cap issues that they're going 839 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 1: to have to deal with at some point in time. 840 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 1: But never believe it when a pro football player says, 841 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 1: I don't do this for the money. Yes they do. 842 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,839 Speaker 1: It's pro ball. It's a violent, dangerous game. Look at 843 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,480 Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph, ask him, why are you going back on 844 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 1: in the field this week? Is it love at the 845 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: game or is it the money. Well, there's nowhere else 846 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,399 Speaker 1: you can get paid for playing a game like this. 847 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,280 Speaker 1: Game pays you right, unless you're basketball or baseball player. 848 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,959 Speaker 1: So it's always about the money. It was always about 849 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: the money with Jalen All. You know another reason why 850 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: chew up the press conference where he said he'd be 851 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 1: here for his guys as long as he's here. That 852 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 1: lasted through the Titans game. That was it done that 853 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 1: Thursday night? He was finished. Um great player questions, motives. 854 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,280 Speaker 1: It is what it is. He's gone Now. The Jaguars 855 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: in order for them to win this trade, they have 856 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,759 Speaker 1: to have to make smart selections, and you know what, 857 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: being a smaller market team, you gotta do that anyway. 858 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: So you now have the leverage to launch yourself the 859 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: next couple of years. And by the way, it also 860 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: gives them some salary cap space. It takes thirteen point 861 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,920 Speaker 1: seven off of next year salary cap because that was 862 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 1: the fifth year option for Jalen. Um, that's it. And 863 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,839 Speaker 1: and and let's let's transition right out of Jalen Ramsey 864 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: thing right now in a Unique who handled his situation 865 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:41,400 Speaker 1: like a professional football player should. Didn't go clown show, 866 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,880 Speaker 1: didn't go circus, right, he just came in and played 867 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,800 Speaker 1: my guest now is and and he is a higher 868 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 1: character person than Jalen is. So my guess is is 869 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: that now you will see the Jaguars make a more 870 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 1: concerted effort to get a deal done with Unique. It 871 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,919 Speaker 1: may not happen this calendar year. It maybe right before 872 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 1: the season ends. That would be this calendar year. It 873 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,359 Speaker 1: might have happened today, but I would think sooner rather 874 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 1: than later. If you value him, you want to get 875 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: a deal done for him. He's proved he's deserve it absolutely. 876 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 1: And the other thing with Jalen is since you're not 877 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,799 Speaker 1: going to have to pay him, then maybe you can 878 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,239 Speaker 1: keep some other players that you didn't necessarily think you 879 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,799 Speaker 1: could keep. I don't know about him. Um, you may 880 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,200 Speaker 1: renegotiate well. And and let's just see what a J 881 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,799 Speaker 1: boy A has Now he's fifteen point five million on 882 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,720 Speaker 1: your salary cap next year. Uh, he's fift five million 883 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 1: this year. Maybe you can create a more palatable cap 884 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 1: number for him and find a way to keep him 885 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,480 Speaker 1: because I had him gone. I mean, he was absolutely gone. Well, 886 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: you'd like to keep a J but you couldn't. So 887 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: the question now is is how does he perform and 888 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 1: what's he willing to play for and what can you 889 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 1: pay him. There's a lot of different moves now that 890 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,680 Speaker 1: Tom and Dave and their salary cap team can work 891 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,799 Speaker 1: with because you don't have the over arching, you know, 892 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,239 Speaker 1: the big balloon that is Jalen's contract. The RAMS have 893 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 1: to deal with that. Yeah, and what an opportunity. We 894 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,840 Speaker 1: haven't even talked about this for a J boy I 895 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,200 Speaker 1: don't remember where I saw it, but it was reported 896 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,880 Speaker 1: that after the game on Sunday, he got the DBS 897 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,720 Speaker 1: together and they went and watch film of their mistakes 898 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: and he led the charge in that room. That doesn't 899 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 1: surprise me at all, not at all. That's I think 900 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,439 Speaker 1: if you're looking at people who are going to rise 901 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: from this, a J would be a guy that I 902 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 1: would expect that he would he is a high character player. 903 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,919 Speaker 1: Um he's not Jalen Ramsey, but he is a very 904 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 1: good football player. I wouldn't be surprised at all to 905 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,359 Speaker 1: see him rise out of this. You hope you want 906 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,879 Speaker 1: to see a guy like that succeed. What I want 907 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,319 Speaker 1: to see is this locker room. Take this and make 908 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 1: it the you know, the steak in the ground, and 909 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 1: from here they go forward and win the next two 910 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,799 Speaker 1: games and go to London four and four, and that 911 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,160 Speaker 1: way they can truly talk about being in the a 912 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,439 Speaker 1: f C South Race, which is what Tom Coughlin said 913 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 1: in his statement getting into the race. I don't know 914 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,200 Speaker 1: that it launches them on a long winning streak gets 915 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,759 Speaker 1: them to the a f C Championship game like it 916 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,160 Speaker 1: did with Andre Risen that I mentioned earlier. But I 917 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,560 Speaker 1: really believe that this can get them to a point 918 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,239 Speaker 1: where they can jump into the race. And that's let 919 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,279 Speaker 1: me end it with this. If I had told you 920 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,239 Speaker 1: before opening day that Nick Foles would be done in 921 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,880 Speaker 1: the first quarter of the first game and Jalen Ramsey 922 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,799 Speaker 1: would only play three games for you, what chance would 923 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,440 Speaker 1: you have had for this team to have a winning record? Uh? None? Right, 924 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 1: but not yet yet? The next two weeks, Well that's 925 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,880 Speaker 1: what we are. The next two weeks. They have a 926 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 1: chance to get themselves to a position to give themselves 927 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,719 Speaker 1: a winning record that would say a lot about this 928 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 1: coaching staff and this locker room. So let's see him 929 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 1: go do it. Doug Brown has done a heck of 930 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,799 Speaker 1: a job keeping this together. We don't talk enough about it, 931 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,319 Speaker 1: all right, Speaking of Dug Marone, he has a press 932 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 1: conference at eleven o'clock on Jaguars dot com. You can 933 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 1: watch that live locker room this afternoon. Stay tuned, Jaguars 934 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 1: Happy our world of all the locker room reaction, as 935 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 1: well as tomorrow morning right here on Jack's Drive Time