WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 208 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:03.080 Also media. 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:05.720 Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.440 you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:12.680 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.480 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.040 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:21.000 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:22.759 there's going to be nothing new here for you, but 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:25.320 you can make your own decisions. 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.680 Welcome to it could happen here a podcast. We're in 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:33.000 the wake of mom Dommy's victory. We are revising the 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.920 old twenty sixteen slogan, eat your pheasants, drink your wine. 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.840 Your days are numbered, bourgeois swine. I am your host, 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:45.120 Mio Wong, with Rius Garrison Davis looking unhappy. 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:48.600 Well, this is actually the new mandatory greeting in New 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:53.120 York has to read yes yesterday, yeah, instead of saying 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.240 hi on the subway or just trying to avoid each other. 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.960 We have to all recite this now. It's pretty crazy. 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:03.280 FDR used to call the US the forty eight States 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:05.400 the Soviet of Seattle, and I have I haven't quite 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:06.800 figured out what the version. 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:10.679 Of that for New York is yet but no, no, 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:15.600 the New York City nationalism really is a thing. Yeah yeah, 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:18.319 even if the country falls, I think I think New 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.880 York will remain as a remain as a city state beacon. 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:22.440 Yeah. 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:22.720 See. 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:26.480 Unfortunately, I'm having to temper my sort of Chicago in 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:30.920 like this is a two two Chinese city like for this, 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:35.640 and I'm also having to temper my like reflexive, uh 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.840 not even reflexive. Bye bye bye, incredibly well thought out 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:43.640 in detailed thoughts of electoralism and so so so today today, 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:47.920 if I have to cover electoralism positively, we're doing this 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:50.280 in sports format. Oh we are, we are. We are 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:52.640 looking at what's been going on with the reaction to 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.880 mom Donnie's when we are fully we are fully doing 0:01:55.920 --> 0:02:00.760 winners and losers. It's gonna be great. We're gonna have 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:01.320 a good time. 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:04.960 I mean, I'm still traumatized from the World Series, so 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:08.960 I don't really appreciate the sports framing. I actually the 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:13.079 World's World Series Game seven. I was watching it at 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.440 a bar and then I had to go across town 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.480 to a different bar because I knew Zoron was doing 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.120 the little gay bar hop on the same night as 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:25.080 the World Series finale, so I missed the last thirty minutes. 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.080 I had to leave during the ninth inning when the 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:28.760 Blue Jays were still ahead. 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:34.600 Oh no. And then and then in transport the Dodgers tie. 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.960 They did two extra innings and then one, and it 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.720 was devastating. And then I saw Bom Donnie dancing at 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:43.920 a gay club like ten minutes later. It was serious, gracious, 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:49.000 You're welcome, welcome to being a Seattle Mariners fan. This 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.399 is this is why, yes, all the time for us, 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:53.480 everything well. 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.239 Aware, No, of course I I what I'm not cheering 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.600 for the Jay is usually usually I'm cheering for the Mariners. 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.680 So I know again, the only way to survive this 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.680 is to become a truly transcendent, true Mariners fan, where 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.320 you are not in this for winning and losing. You 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:09.200 were in this for the fact that we had a 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.880 guy whose name was Big Dumper because his ass was 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:16.800 big as fuck and he had sixty home runs. And 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:20.799 that's what you're in this game for. Okay, Okay, we're 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:22.560 gonna turn this around. We're gonna turn this around. We're 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.800 gonna actually start with winners with I think the most 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:28.960 serious thing that we're going to do today not a 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.280 high bar. Yeah, not a high bar. But I think 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.520 in the words of the great John Boyce, this moment 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.920 belongs to her. And that's Lindsay Bolan, who was the 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:42.480 first woman to accuse Cuomo of sexual harassment, who is 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.680 one of the bravest women I've ever seen. And she's 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:48.760 having a great time. That's good. There's a bunch of 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:52.480 pictures of her going around that she's posting. She's so 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:56.840 happy it rocks. She's yeah, she's just she's just having 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:57.400 a great time. 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.640 This is this is like a dual pronged moment, right. 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:04.720 One prong is just seeing Andrew Cuomo get completely humiliated 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:06.880 for the second time in a row. Yes, and then 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.960 the whole, the whole you know, like perspective hope of 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:16.720 what a Mom Donnie mayoral occupation could could meet. It's 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.760 like a whole separate thing, uh than just watching Cuomo 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:21.960 get absolutely decimated. Right if there was if there was 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:23.800 someone who was only half as good as Mom Donnie 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:25.839 who destroyed Cuomo, and we still it would still be 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:30.680 fun to laugh at Cuomo. The fact that it's Mam 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:32.640 Donnie is just a little bit of like an extra 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:33.719 extra icing on top. 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:37.239 I guess yeah. And I want to read a quote 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:38.760 from her that she could this this this was from 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.080 before especially, I could tell since the actual win, she's 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:44.479 just been like partying and hasn't really been giving, like 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.719 I think she went onto bocracy now. But like she 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:49.720 she had this great line from this, this piece and 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.960 the Independent, uh that was titled we will beat these 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.560 monsters and this this was from this. This is from 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:58.480 the original primary win. I hope every woman who has 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:00.880 ever faced an abuser like Quota one knows she doesn't 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:02.880 have to be ashamed, she doesn't have to hide, because 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:06.120 we will beat these monsters. New Yorker said no more 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:09.680 to Andrew Cuomo, and that is just remarkable. And this 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:11.640 ship rocks, this rocks. 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:16.080 Fuck him, especially Cuomo, who ran his campaign. I'll be like, 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.159 it's dangerous to be a woman on the subway, and 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.400 we're like why because you're gonna be on it like 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.640 like his whole, his. 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:24.719 Whole, like law and order. 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.000 New York is a dangerous, scary place to live because 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:29.880 there's predators out there. It was like a main part 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:33.520 of his campaign. Meanwhile, four years ago he resigned because 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:34.400 he was a predator. 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:42.640 Yeah, eleven eleven women came forward like that's remarkable, astounding, 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.120 and you know this is hopefully this is this is 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.880 the beginning of many, many, many defeats that these fucking 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.240 people will have over the coming years. 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.640 Hopefully the last defeat for Cuombo, but for others of 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:56.760 his ill walk Yeah. 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:00.279 Yeah, yeah, these there are there are many, many people 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.760 who hold a whole variety of offices and sometimes are 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.760 just like your boss or someone you work with or 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:10.160 someone Yeah, and fuck them, We're gonna beat them all. 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.840 This rocks. So that that's that's winner number one, Winter 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:18.919 number two. People with child's people with childs. Wow, people 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:23.359 with child Look, I agree, I got so little sleep 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:27.039 last night. I was I have no excuse. I was 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:30.239 up being extremely gay at like four in the morning. 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:32.960 I'm really tired. 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.360 H Yeah. 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:39.000 People people with children getting getting free childcare a thing 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:40.919 that is in fact really good. 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.119 Free childcare would be would be pretty cool. And it's 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.960 one of the few things on the Momdani platform that, 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.760 like the governor herself, is pretty pretty set on how 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:51.760 helping to achieve. 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:55.560 And you know there's Spike Lee who's having a great 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:59.520 time partying, is just just just just loving it. It's great, 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:04.640 it's great, that's good. Yeah. Renters also good. Yeah, people 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:08.200 people who live in rent stabilized apartments getting not the 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:12.000 rent increased, and also they're being more rent controlled housing 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:17.040 built good good things, good things. People who buy food. 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.960 When I say people who buy food, right, you would 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:23.160 think that's all people. Most of the people who we 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:25.440 are going to be talking about on this list, those 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.600 motherfuckers have not set foot in a grocery store in 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:33.400 a decade. There really, truly is a classified between people 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.680 who buy food and people who do not ever buy 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:37.400 their own food. 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:38.360 Yeah. 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:40.520 It's like around if you make around two hundred thousand 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.800 dollars a year based on the time that you spend 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:47.600 procuring your own groceries, people argue that it's more efficient 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:50.520 for you to order or have people bring food to 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.560 you and not do any of that work yourself. 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:58.760 Yeah, and you know, so we have that, we have. 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.600 You know, I think that there's there's a sort of 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:04.760 macro point you can make here about you know, the 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.240 ties between affordability and the sort of the sort of 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:10.200 politics affordability in the ways in which there are a 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.080 bunch of people who would affects and then there is 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.640 the top five percent of the us, who do fifty 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:16.680 percent of the country's consumer spending. Who this is not 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:18.520 going to affect because they do fifty percent of their 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:22.760 consumer spending on bullshit. And also I want to, I 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.120 want to I'm gonna, I'm gonna declare myself a winner 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:28.600 because I fucking hate Mody and Zorn called Mody a 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:32.599 war criminal and specifically talked about his mass killings of 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:34.400 Muslims and Gujarat, which is the first time I've ever 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.600 seen a major American politician talk about that and fuck him, 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.800 he's the butcher of Gujarat. Eat shit. Yeah, this is 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:42.240 this is this is This is a kind of short 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:45.640 winners section because you know, I could list like people 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:50.000 in New York City, like who aren't really rich, like 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:55.400 Harrison right, like you know, but this is mostly a 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:59.679 loser's episode. This is mostly a Oh my fucking god, 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:05.520 the right is doing a crash out and oh boy, 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.400 there are some great stuff. So I want to start 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:16.080 the losers with Laura Ingram. Who the chevron on her show? Who? Who? Who? 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:17.600 Laura Ingram? 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:18.120 Wow? 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.360 Fox News host evil She's still on Fox News. 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:26.920 Huh yeah yeah, her her Fox News thing that the 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.319 chevron on It was by winning the Democrats are actually losing. 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:35.280 Which is the trust God God, I hope. So from 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:39.120 your mouth to God's ears, Laura, so. 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:45.240 Good, it's the most There's a whole genre of this. 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:49.680 If I wanted to, I literally could have just pulled 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.320 things that were like the Democrats are winning by actually 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.520 losing like that. There's like Ross Douthitt, who's like the 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.640 sort of make work higher, like she's one of the 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.200 old school makework higher in your Times calumnists. He's like 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:05.240 a very very weird Catholic who used to advocate Catholics 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.320 like taking the benedict option and going into the woods 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:12.120 and not interacting with society, which please rawsout it and 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:12.720 your ILK. 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:14.040 I mean, that's not very Catholic. 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:18.160 Please do that. Yeah, if you want to go argue 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:22.360 theology with Ross down, go fucking happily, or like go 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:24.559 do this. Yeah, but like you know, douth of the 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.720 New York Times immediately is like Momgani's victory is lessgnificant 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:29.240 than you think, and it's like, ah, yes, we are 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:30.760 we are getting out. We are not owned, we are 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.000 not owned, et cetera, et cetera. Sololely turning into a corn. 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.800 Cob humping the copium straight into my veins. 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:36.120 Yeah. 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:40.840 Mm hmm. It's truly amazing stuff. I think it in 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:44.800 the just pure cope vein is Did you did you 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:50.120 see the Mike Cernovich post about this? No? No, Oh 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:53.440 my god. Okay, So I'm not gonna how do I 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.480 say this, I'm not gonna association us quote sweeting a 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.240 video that's just like it's like a five minute video 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:01.680 of like the Zetio whatever live stream of of the 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.959 after party, and it's just Cernavich is just going, this 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.920 is a rowdy, masculine environment. You can feel the energy 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.040 as the Heritage Foundation is putting members through a struggle 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:16.360 session and demanding a deidan. The left is winning true true, 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.840 And then like that is that is happening right now. 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.280 We'll be doing a piece on the Heritage struggle sessions 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:24.319 probably later this week. 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:28.079 Yeah. Yeah, And that's the that's the do we accept 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:29.880 the overt neo Nazi or not? 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:30.480 Yes? 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:35.000 Conflict, which they are very divided on, which is not 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.080 not a great sign. Gotta say, I gotta say, don't 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:42.280 don't love that. But in another just incredible like I'm 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:46.280 not mad thing. Surtavitch post that and then quote tweets 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.640 his own tweet and says, if you didn't know anything 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:51.600 about politics, you would say this is the sign I 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.640 want to be on Conservative inc. Is joyless. It's the 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:58.680 house of scolding nags. It offers young men nothing beyond 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:00.760 moralizing and hypocrite lecture. 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:06.360 This is probably also following the fallout of the Fuentez 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:11.319 Tucker interview and the like sectarian right. Yep, yep, that's 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:14.800 that's not really in fighting necessarily, but like these these 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:19.240 debates on on Fuentez is placed within the Conservative Party, 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.440 and this argument against what I guess like right wing 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.200 cancel culture that you have people like vans like Matt 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.040 wallsh talk about how like we should not be you know, 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:32.120 canceling people like Tucker or you know, these young GOP staffers, 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.559 her white phremacists for saying things that are offensive because 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.720 we need to have a united front against the left 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.680 versus this whole other reaction from like Shapiro and you 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:43.160 have heritage just caught in the middle of this, and 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.520 there's like senators and Mike Johnson who or who are 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:51.080 trying to like keep this like legitimate, like anti Semitic, 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.280 but like also like anti Israel, but through anti Semitism, 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.719 like this anti Semitic is section of the right led 0:12:56.720 --> 0:13:01.719 by fuentees like keep it quarantined, which is increasingly breaking quarantine. 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:03.680 So they're looking. 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:06.440 At how the right has devolved into this fighting and 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:09.280 then seeing the election of Zoran and being like, oh, 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:12.680 the grass is greener on that side, I guess, which 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:13.400 is really odd. 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:17.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's so funny because it's just 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.640 like literally just all of the shit they've been saying 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.640 about the left forever, they're just suddenly like, oh my god, 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.080 they the some part some of the right is like 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:29.880 maybe maybe not literally the neo Nazi, And now they're like, oh, 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.960 it's actually it's actually the right that is, uh, the 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.120 house of scolding nags who offer young men nothing beyond 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.920 moralizing and a hypocritical lecture, which is it's just amazing. 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:45.200 It's I don't know, it's so funny. They're they're just 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.000 they're just losing it insofar as there is a kind 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:51.560 of important thing here. It's that like in a moment 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.040 where you know, the sort of ruling party is becoming 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:59.240 increasingly unpopular, they're also fracturing from the inside to the 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:03.280 extent where like their like worst nightmare just got elected 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:07.760 as the mayor of New York and instead of like rallying, 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:11.720 they're doing this shit. Very funny. There's been a few 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:15.920 governor reactions. I'm gonna pull from the Guardian here a 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.520 great Abbot tweeted, joined me in a moment of silence 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.520 for New York City thoughts and prayers. 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.360 Abbot's been been losing it over the selection. 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:28.360 It's so funny, it's very good. Rick Scott is the 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.840 center of a Florida to the Guardian, Florida has welcomed 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:35.720 those fleeing communists and socialist regimes for decades, wrote Senator 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:39.200 Rick Scott of Florida. Tonight is no different. Florida will 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.920 welcome all freedom loving New Yorkers. 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.600 It's funny because that's very different from Abbot's promise of 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:49.240 trying to teariff people who flee from New York to Texas. 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.160 Abbot's like, oh shit, hold on, maybe maybe I can 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.480 cash in on all of this money. We're gonna we're 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.360 we're gonna get to whether people are actually fleeing New York. 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:06.680 In a later segment, spoiler alert note yet, but come 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:11.440 there is still time if we want people to flee 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.840 New York. We're just gonna have to do it ourselves. 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:19.360 Speaking of doing it ourselves, this podcast, we do it, 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.680 but also the products and services support the show do it. 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:26.960 We cannot, in fact do it ourselves. You know, we 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.080 have to at this point have the assistance of the 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.680 capitalist advertising industry. 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:48.680 So enjoy, enjoy that we are back. So let's turn 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:52.840 to Elon Musk. Who is I mean, I guess for 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:55.720 Elon Musk he is kind of having a normal one. 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.960 He is doing a bunch of his normal posts about 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:03.080 how like Western civilization is doomed unless the core weakness 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:04.800 is suicidal empathy. 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.800 Is recognized suicidal empathy. 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:12.200 It's so bad. There's there's a very very funny segment 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.400 that I'm not gonna play just because like, I don't, 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:16.560 I don't, I do not believe in exposing our dear 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.080 listeners to having to listen to Elon must try to 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:23.280 talk because this clip, yeah, yeah, there's no him on 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.880 Joe Rogan, where Joe Rogan's like, okay, why did you 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:30.760 call him Donnie a swindler? And it's just a minute 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:35.640 straight of Elon Musk going uh, he has nothing. 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:38.800 He can't even complete a full sentence he had at 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:43.240 one point says that, you know, swindlers will always say 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.360 what the audience wants to hear, and that's the only 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.320 thing he's he that's the only complete thought that he gives. 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:52.760 The rest of his sentence or attempts at making a 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:56.200 sentence is just saying the word like five times and 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:59.400 then saying that. Well, you know, Zorn is actually quite charismatic. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:04.199 His brain is so cooked, it's so good. It's and 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.840 I say this as someone who stammers a significant amount. 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.679 This is this is just there's nothing going on in 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:10.119 his brain. 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.280 This is closer to head empty noe thoughts. 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:17.080 Yeah, that empty no thoughts derogatory, which derogatory. 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:21.600 Comma bands always derogatory, always, always derogatory. 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:26.000 Oh god. So there's been this sort of mix of 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:30.000 like the world is falling with this also kind of 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.520 oh my god, he won. And also this is a 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:37.000 very attractive charismatic dude. It is kind of breaking these 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.680 people's brains that there's just like a hot guy who 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:44.000 beat the shit out of them. There's like there's like 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:47.159 definitely sort of like psychosexual politics going on here. You 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:50.600 can see it in a shit posting. 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.480 No, absolutely would have a heyday I don't know would 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:55.879 have a heyday writing about the psychosexual aspect of the 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:59.480 anti Zoron Andy. Obviously, some of the pros are unbeatful 0:17:59.520 --> 0:17:59.880 as well. 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:04.040 Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, this is a great things are 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:08.600 happening in politics. Even Trump has had to defend his 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:14.199 looks as being better than mister mum Dannie, which objectively 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:18.760 not true. Very funny saying is quote unquote much better looking. 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:21.040 It's so funny. 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.240 But they also have this weird thing that some people 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.040 on the left are doing. This is largely a Twitter thing, 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.760 but this does seep out into real world conversations, which 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:37.160 I've I've heard is thirsting after Zorn's wife and comparing 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:42.160 and comparing Zorn's wife to like like Millennia or something, 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.760 and like in a whole bunch of really weird ways. 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.880 Jesus Christ, that's really weird. Don't do that. 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:53.240 Look how like beautiful and aristocratic Zoron's wife is versus 0:18:53.359 --> 0:19:00.720 God versus uh former porn star Milania Trump. And you're like, country, 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:02.400 what are you doing? 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:06.040 Guys? This is the doing misogyny. You're doing misogyny. It's bad. 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:07.280 Simply don't do that. 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.919 But we do love the twenty seven year old zoomer 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:11.120 New York for a lady. 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:13.320 Yeah, she fucking rocks. Good. Good for her, Good for her. 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:15.639 Check out her art. I want to I want to 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.040 turn a little bit to Speaker of the House Mike Johnson. 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:22.440 He said Democrats in New York have chosen a true 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:25.359 extremists and Marxist and the consequences will be felt across 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:29.640 our entire nation. He also said that Badabi's policies are 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:33.879 defunding the police, seizing private property, and massive tax increases, 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:35.280 which I fucking wish. 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:40.240 I mean, that does all sound kind of cool, but 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:44.200 that is that is absolutely not what Zorn's current state 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:45.120 of politics are. 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.920 Yeah, and it's also funny because this is the same 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.760 reaction they've had to every single Democrat who's been elected 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:53.560 in the past twenty years. Totally. The right has so 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:57.040 much just sort of weird projection shit, and I feel 0:19:57.040 --> 0:20:00.280 like they've been doing this whole like, oh my god, 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:02.200 you all call this fascists, and now we're all fascists. 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.760 And it's like, no, you called Barack Obama, who was 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:09.760 like the most neoliberal Democrat they've ever put in office, 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:14.760 maybe second only to Boke Clinton. Maybe like you called 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.480 him a communist, and now it's like, okay, this guy's 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:21.480 a democratic socialist, and you're just saying like, oh this time, now, 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:25.360 this time is communism. This is just like okay, really. 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:27.399 Now the boy who cried will think that the right 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:30.440 does all the time. It depowers their own rhetorical tactics. 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:31.359 Yep, yep, yep. 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:33.800 And you see this in a few ways. I think 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:35.800 you've seen this in part with like the trans mass 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.960 shooter thing. And certainly they've been doing this thing around 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:41.240 you communism or socialism for a while to the point 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:42.720 where you can have the mayor of New York proudly 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:47.360 call himself a socialist, a democratic socialist, and gets elected 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:48.840 with record numbers. 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:52.639 Yep. So one of the things that he's going to 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:55.320 be dealing with, obviously, is is the financial class. We're 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:59.600 gonna get to some more weird reactions. But there's a 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:03.840 very fun NPR quote that I'm going to read. I'm 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.080 always gonna read this quote. I think it's the stages 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:09.000 of grief, said Karen Wilde, who runs the Partnership for 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:11.560 New York City, an influential business group that represents more 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:17.600 than three hundred large employers. It's very funny they're fully 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:20.800 in their like acceptance negotiation phase of this. 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:24.119 Yeah, I mean, I think they might not be letting 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:26.680 on the degree to which they have been in this process. 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:27.200 For a while. 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:30.520 There was like a final push among like Bloomberg, who 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:34.080 probably met with Mamdannie like months ago, and they like 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:37.560 developed like a kind of like truce, which Bloomberg broke 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:39.880 in the week before the election when he suddenly funneled 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:43.800 millions of dollars into islamaphobic ads like nine to eleven ads. 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:47.080 But there was a lot of. 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:49.720 Meetings happening between Mamdani and people who would make up 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:52.359 his future administration and the business class, which have happened 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:55.720 since he won the primary in June. And this sort 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:59.520 of negotiating and bargaining has been going on for quite 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:03.840 a while. And I think the acceptance now is really 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:07.359 the final I mean, these steps aren't necessarily always always 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:10.399 like sequential, but I think we were rapidly approaching the 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:15.359 acceptance phase across the city and people are actually looking 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:18.880 at like realistically and what what the what the negotiating 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:21.280 side of enacting these things is going to look like, 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:22.639 including the financial people. 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:27.880 Yeah, that that said, Ken Griffin not happy at all. No, 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:31.679 they're not happy. No, this is this is a business 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:33.760 Insider for the people of New York. I pray that 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:36.520 the policies Montdammy uses to govern and lead New York 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:38.359 are different than the talking points he used to win 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:40.880 the may own race. People in New York deserve better. 0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:42.520 I do want to I did cut out the part 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:44.960 in the middle of There's the Business Insider where he 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:48.360 said this Wednesday at the American Business Forum in Miami. 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:53.959 In New York like to say this very funny. Hell yeah, 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:57.800 very funny in this sort of like crashout spectrum. So tho, 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:00.600 the people who are like having the absolute worst time 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:04.120 are a bunch of Israeli politicians who are very mad 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:07.479 about this shocking. Yeah, I'm just gonna quote the Washington 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:12.200 Post here. Israel's far right Minister of Security Ben Gavir 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:15.720 said Wednesday that Mamdami's win would be quote remembered eternally. 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:20.280 Is the moment when anti Semitism overcame common sense. Diaspora 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:24.720 Affairs Minister on each I cheekly, in an excoriating statement, 0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:27.400 accused New York City of quote handing its keys over 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:31.520 to a Hamas supporter. And this is also a giant 0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:34.199 loss for one Benjamin Nett and Yahou who Mamdami has 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:38.200 said he will arrest that's put in New York, which 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:44.280 rocks very funny. Will this actually happen? I don't know, hilarious. 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:47.199 Yeah, I mean these things just don't work anymore, like 0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:51.600 they Yeah, you, Like I watched an interview with Jonathan Greenblatt, 0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:54.600 the head of the ADL like Good Morning America, like 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:57.480 like talking about this and how they're establishing an anti 0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:01.800 Semitism monitor to track the Zorn administration. And even like 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:05.000 the hosts of Good Morning America were like, come on, man, 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:09.159 Like that's not he's not he's not an anti se 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:13.320 Like he's he's against he's against the genocide of Gaza. 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:17.800 Like he's not. He's not like a Jew hating anti semi. Yeah, 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:21.040 and like they were even getting tired of green BLAT's 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:24.360 little like shtick and how he was constantly like performing 0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:26.240 to the camera to try to get people to like, 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:30.360 I don't report incidents that then they'll add into this 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:33.280 into this monitor program, so they'll try to blame them 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:36.520 Amdani administration for not protecting Jews or whatever. 0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:38.159 Yeah. 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:43.000 This was on Mourning Joe on ms NBC not good 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:45.119 Morning America, My apologies. 0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:47.239 This is also you know, if you want to talk 0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:49.840 about another sort of category of losers, just like all 0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:53.200 of the unhinged islamophobia. Oh yeah, like all the people 0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:58.199 spreading that God annihilated. Yeah, just absolutely smash and like 0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:00.480 and yeah, and you know it is worth saying. Yeah, like, 0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:03.560 this was one of the most racist campaigns I have 0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:06.399 ever seen, but that Andrew Cuomo sort of waged it 0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:10.080 was oh yeah, just hideous, more racist than Trump versus 0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:16.160 Kamala by far. Yeah, like exceptionally so, and done by 0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:22.600 you Democrat establishment figures largely yep, man, just rancid and 0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:25.480 they got their ass handed to them. And I think 0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:28.399 that's good. There's a very very public level of exceptions 0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:32.200 for soomophobia. You can just say the most homophobic shit 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:34.560 anyone's ever heard on TV and it's fine and no 0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:37.119 one does anything. But also, like, people don't fucking like 0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:40.240 that shit. It sucks, it's awful, and fuck these people. 0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:43.840 And you know, I think this is sort of the 0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:47.680 tide turning. Oh and speaking of the tide turning, Bill Ackmans, 0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:51.919 as we've talked about on ED, bending the knee, saying 0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:54.080 Congress they are on about dominy. Congrats on the wind. 0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:56.640 Now you have a big responsibility if I could help 0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:58.600 New York City, just let me know what I can do. 0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:03.199 Very good. So to sort of close out this, like 0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:06.360 the losers section, I want to turn there's a great 0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:10.720 piece and defector about the people who've threatened to leave 0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:14.159 New York City if Mom Donnie won and unfortunately reached 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:16.360 out for comment, none of them were actually leaving. It's 0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:18.480 really sad because people don't want to leave the city. 0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:20.399 It's a good city, which is the whole point of 0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:23.119 Zorn's campaign was about how much the city is cool 0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:26.200 and rocks and Cueobo's campaign was but how much it's 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:27.080 bad and scary. 0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:31.800 Yeah, And unfortunately, tragically this does mean that you are 0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:35.040 going to have to have Dave Portney and this whole 0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:40.360 this whole crew of Barshel dipshits still in the city. 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:43.480 So good luck. I hope you appropriate them. I hope 0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:56.960 they hope they have a bad time. Now I want 0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:59.199 I want to move into my last category, which is 0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:04.520 the sort of bad category. We got a kind of 0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:10.280 wild Obama quote quote the future looks a little bit brighter. 0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:13.159 It's a reminder that when we come together around strong, 0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:16.240 forward looking leaders who care about the issues that matter, 0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:18.920 we can win. It's a it's a very silly quote. 0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:25.720 The odds that Obama personally had at least one person 0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:29.080 on that campaign staff beaten dream occupy are very high. 0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:34.840 Like it's it's really truly this moment of like, brother, 0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:36.720 you spent so much time trying to make sure this 0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:40.159 wouldn't happen, and you have failed, and now you're in 0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:42.720 the like, I'm gonna do the Obama thing. We're like, 0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:44.360 I'm the friend of all the young leaders, and I'm 0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:45.960 going to give them the worst advice You've ever heard 0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:48.960 in your entire life. I don't know, still still still 0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:52.800 have never gone over Obama personally intervening to make sure 0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:55.320 the NBA players didn't go on strike during the uprising. 0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:58.840 Oh god, what of the one of the worst like 0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:02.520 post presidents moments I've ever seen. I want to close 0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:06.280 on Jamie Diamond, the CEO of JP Morgan Chase, who 0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:08.280 when I sked what mont Donnie said quote he's a 0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:10.840 young man, will he get good at it? I haven't 0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:13.560 said about Muntdonmmie making and implementing good policies. I see 0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:17.119 a lot of people in big jobs, including big political jobs, 0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:19.800 they grow into it. I've seen a lot of people 0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:21.800 they kind of swell into the job, they get worse, 0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:25.160 they you know, all of it becomes about them. I'm 0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:27.680 hoping he's the good one and that will be important 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:32.440 for the future in New York, he said, true, true, 0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:32.960 and real. 0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:33.720 No. 0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:35.840 I mean, like there is a lot of this slow capitulation, 0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:39.520 which you're even seeing with private comments from Trump that 0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:43.360 are being leaked into reporting through the New York Times, 0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.280 where in private Trump has called it mister mom Donnie 0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:52.120 a slick and good talker and a talented politician, and 0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:55.280 last Wednesday said that he might quote help him a 0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:58.600 little bit maybe unquote, and that he wants New York 0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:02.400 to succeed, which is, you know, contrary to like previous 0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:05.280 threats of like pulling back all funding if I'm Donnie 0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:05.840 gets elected. 0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:06.160 Yeah. 0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:08.880 And I think part of part of this reaction is 0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:11.480 both like how strong Zorn's victory is. We all like 0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:14.080 know that Trump likes winners, but also the fact that 0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:17.440 Zorn has like very quickly tried to establish dominance over 0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:20.400 the president in some ways hm hmm, in a way 0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:23.480 that like someone like Trump like kind of respects with 0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:26.480 Mam Donnie positioning himself as like a legitimate, like adversarial 0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:29.800 figure to Trump. Yeah, like right off the bat, And 0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:33.640 there's a little bit of the Trumpian mind that actually 0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:37.680 kind of appreciates that and thinks it's like cool and impressive. 0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:40.120 During the first Trump administration that there was a whole 0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:42.760 running theory that if you could get Trump in a 0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:45.120 room with Hugo Chavez, you can make him a socialist 0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:48.560 in like an hour, because he really does just repeat 0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:50.239 the last thing anyone in a room said to him. 0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:54.000 So we're like, we're finally going to test the theory 0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:56.600 of can we get a charismatic person in the room 0:29:56.640 --> 0:29:58.640 with him and make him do stuff he would normally do? 0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:01.440 And probably not, but you know, I mean, and like 0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:03.200 the biggest thing right now is like the difference in 0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:04.200 immigration policy. 0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:05.440 But like Trump's from New York. 0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:08.360 Trump knows how much New York is a city built 0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:11.000 by and run by immigrants, Like he knows that when 0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:13.640 Stephen Miller is like orchestrating all of his messaging, it's 0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:16.840 like the worst of the worst of the anti immigrant stuff. 0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:19.840 But I think in terms of Zorn's opposition to Trump, 0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:24.120 primarily being with immigration. I think Trump understands how immigration 0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:27.640 like rests very importantly into the identity of New York 0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:31.440 and in which with that's like the main oppositional force. 0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:34.719 I think Trump similarly well, is gonna understand where Mom 0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:35.840 Dannie is coming from. 0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:36.120 In a way. 0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:39.320 Yeah, And I think I think we are going to 0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:43.800 see like a particularly like Stephen Miller, Oh yeah, conflict 0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:44.880 as this goes on. 0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:48.520 Absolutely, because this is this is the perfect example of 0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:50.880 stuff that Miller and people like Matt Walsh and like 0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:53.080 the Great Replacement people have been talking about. And the 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:55.360 other huge batch of reactions that you're seeing from people 0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:58.080 like Walsh is that this election only went this way 0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:00.400 because of how many foreigners were allowed to vote in 0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:00.760 New York. 0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:01.360 Yeah. 0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:04.000 If this election was done by true New Yorkers quote 0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:07.320 unquote yep, then quota would have won. And looking there 0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:09.880 results of this election, looking at how many immigrants voted, 0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:11.240 people who have moved to New York in the past 0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:13.880 ten years, past five years, Mam Donnie did very well 0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:14.760 with with those groups. 0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:16.280 You have a lot of these like. 0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:20.000 Far right anti immigration people, yeah, pointing towards that as 0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:21.560 being like, this is what we're trying to defend the 0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:23.800 country against or else. All of our elections are going 0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:26.400 to go like this unless we make sure that only 0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:28.320 white Americans can vote. 0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:32.080 Yeah, and then and so there's there's that reaction, water 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:36.080 sign the other the the other reaction from roughly that 0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:38.600 crowd is women cannot be allowed to vote. 0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:42.200 Yes, which they also they also believe that like yeah, yeah, 0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:46.520 this analysis obviously has faults, but it's it's even falling 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:49.880 apart in terms of like the young male vote. Yeah, yeah, 0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:52.240 they got hammered, which the Republicans have, you know, have 0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:55.520 been been very very excited about about how much you know, 0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:58.160 young men are voting for the Republican Party. Right, young 0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:01.760 young men are all Republican, even if young women are 0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:06.560 all the Democrats. And you see in specifically this election 0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:08.920 where mom Donnie is up forty percent with young men, 0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:12.560 and the divide among men is mostly through age, with 0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:16.600 older men going for Cuobo and millennials and gen Z 0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:21.120 men swinging very strongly towards Mamdani. You have all these 0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:23.200 like Democrat thinking trying to figure out how do we 0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:25.280 attract the young male vote, how do we do this? 0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:27.560 And you have a guy show you what kind of 0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:30.920 policies what kind of messaging works exceedingly Well, Yeah, which 0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:33.240 just happens when people tried so hard to kill that strategy, 0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:36.040 and it's was proven twice in a row, first with 0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:39.400 the primary and even more so with the general. 0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.720 And yeah, that will frighten the GOP. 0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:46.960 It'll frighten them seeing that young men will vote for 0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:50.960 a democratic socialist if they actually have these policies and 0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:54.680 you have this type of like solid messaging, they're not condescending, 0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:57.520 and they candidate embodies like a new generation of change. 0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:02.080 It's very threatening to the GOP and to establishment Democrats. 0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:04.880 Yeah, and like, like I've see Steve Bannon's out here 0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:06.760 being like, if he leaves in the midterms and leaves 0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:10.400 in twenty twenty eight, I'm going to prison, which from. 0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:16.200 Your own here, So like, No, the biggest mistake the 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:19.480 Democrats made last time, well, there's many many big mistakes, 0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:21.640 all right, Palestine being a huge one. 0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:23.560 But I think a huge mistake they made. 0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:28.040 It's not completely destroying Trump and his whole like cat's 0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:30.600 ability to like exist in public life, like they he 0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:32.600 Trump should have been immediately in prisoned for trying to 0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:35.400 overthrow the government and basically set into a whole and 0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:39.240 after that Supreme Court ruling on the presidential community, it 0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:41.720 should have been taken out as like a national security threat. 0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:45.719 Like Democrats cannot cannot play this like they go low, 0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:46.880 we go high game anymore. 0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:49.480 If we're going to get out of this, and it's 0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:51.320 probably not given the Democrats, you do this, but like 0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:53.680 are Nuremberg is going to have to make the original 0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:55.320 Nuremberg look like paper clip. 0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:59.480 Like, well, that's what the original Nuremburg was, the original Nuremberg. 0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:05.040 Also see that we were are Neurmberg to Nurmberg harder? 0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:07.800 I see, Yeah, I'm actually doing it. 0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:12.400 Yeah, I really like Jacob Geller's video on Nuremberg, and 0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:16.040 it is it is a nice emotional play to fall 0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:19.080 back on in times of of torment. But I don't 0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:21.840 think we're gonna Nuremberg ourselves out of this one. And 0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:25.680 unfortunately I don't have a very strong solid alternative at 0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:28.960 the moment. But at the very least Trump should have 0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:33.040 been treated much much harsher after after January sixth. 0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:38.279 Yeah, we can leave it as for now. Nuremberg to 0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:45.600 Warren's an ascend into Nuremberg. Well, this has been a 0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:49.439 gun happen here a rare, a rare, upbeat episode where 0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:51.919 all of our enemies are having a very bad time. 0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:55.719 Yeah, they're also mad about uh Lena Kahan on the 0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:56.640 transition team. 0:34:56.680 --> 0:34:57.840 Oh yeah, very funny. 0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:01.680 They're so very mad, very mad, And go to Transition 0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:07.160 twenty twenty five to learn more about Sooron's Smaral Transition team. 0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:12.080 A fantastic url, really really going for it Transition twenty 0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:12.960 twenty five. 0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:19.160 Stealing treads Valor true real you go, girl. I give 0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:20.000 Zora on the past. 0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:20.560 He can say it. 0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:23.000 Zor invove Dubby estrogen. 0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:25.840 No, no, no, he's fine as he is. 0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:29.000 We're transit the comfort. He's actually a good looking man. 0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:29.800 He doesn't need it. 0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:32.080 He's actually he's actually figured it out. 0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:39.440 I think. Anyway, we're ending here. 0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:59.160 Hello, if you want to welcome to it could happen here? 0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:02.080 A punk asked, where I have just been attacked for 0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:06.360 my identity as a British person by my colleague Garrison Davis. 0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:08.479 I gere it's going to happen again? 0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:10.279 Really? 0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:13.440 I never This podcast is not a safe space. 0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:17.400 Not for British people. Sadly, many many such places for us, 0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:21.479 including Britain, which is a country which is not doing 0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:24.759 so well right now, the Britain is still very safe. 0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:27.840 I don't want to talk about Britain today. I do, incidentally, 0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:29.440 I guess because I grew up in a country that 0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:34.200 has virtually no fucking public land. I mean in the commons. 0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:38.080 Yes, actually kind of topical, Yeah, it is. 0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:41.680 That is a question that actually and so earlier this 0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:44.640 year in September, I was staying with which in people 0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:49.799 who are indigenous to the Northern Alaskan, Interior Arctic and Subarctic, 0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:51.960 and one of them was like, Hey, how did you 0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:55.440 guys get so dislocated from your lands? One of my 0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:56.960 friends who I was talking to, and it was a 0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:59.239 really interesting question for me. Great because they have lived 0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:02.480 on that same land for as long as human beings 0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:05.799 have existed in the Americas, the twenty five thousand years 0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:08.920 something like that. Like, the answer is the enclosure of 0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:12.480 the commons, right, the answer is like proto capitalism is 0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:18.920 what removed folks like me from the land and identifying 0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:21.040 in a way that those people identify with the land. 0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:24.960 But in the United States, we do have a little 0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:28.239 bit or quite a lot actually of public land, right, 0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:32.239 various different types of public land, various different land protections, 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:35.239 that anyone can go to where you don't have to 0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:38.239 be in America or a citizen. Anyone can go to 0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:44.760 public lands and enjoy them. Unfortunately, Utah Senator quote unquote 0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:49.480 based Mike Lee is once again attempting to weaken protections 0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:52.319 on wilderness, which will render some of the small parts 0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:54.759 of the USA they have not been fundamentally damaged by 0:37:54.840 --> 0:38:00.839 capitalism permanently and irrevocably changed. Are you familiar with Mike Lee. Yeah, 0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:04.480 he's the senator from Utah, the Senator from Utah. Yeah, 0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:07.359 and he's based as you have said, Yes, he's based, right, 0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:09.800 that's this. He's a hashtag poster. He's a poster. 0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:10.359 Yeah. 0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:14.560 He operates a Twitter account which some might deem as 0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:19.239 offensive and tweets about current current events in a very 0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:23.719 provocative way. Yeah, usually in line with some kind of 0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:24.719 partisan sentiments. 0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:26.480 Yeah, that's pretty fair. 0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:31.040 Specifically, following the assassination of Melissa Hortman and her husband, 0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:35.319 made a series of of tweets that were I guess, 0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:39.520 kind of insensitive, if not actually if not laying blame 0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:44.040 at the governor of Minnesota in this kind of ironic 0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:48.280 joking way where you have plausible deniability, but in general 0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:51.960 handled that situation very grossly, and I think that that's 0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:54.600 what most people might know his tweets for. But he's 0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:58.080 very active, he's he's tweets about many many a thing. 0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:01.319 Yeah yeah, if he thinks that he post sit but yeah, yeah, 0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:03.319 his most people will know him as a guy who 0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:10.120 made the extremely poor taste posts following those murders Nightmare 0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:14.600 on walls the street. Yeah, just nothing to be posting 0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:16.480 U when some people have been murdered. 0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:19.200 I think in general, when people are murdered, I think 0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:20.920 we as humans should. 0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:25.520 Should post the last Yeah. Yeah, right, if somebody has died, like, 0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:28.000 just don't post you know it did? Maybe nice to 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:29.759 say this is terrible, so and your condolences or whatever, 0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:32.319 but realistically their family aren't looking on on Twitter dot 0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:35.719 com to see you who who's sending their condolences, but 0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:38.080 they sure as funk we'll find out if you try 0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:40.399 and make a funny about it. So to just don't 0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:45.480 just resist urge to post another urge that Mike Lee 0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:47.160 sadly have is. 0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:48.440 I don't like that at all? 0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:53.560 Yeah, you like we're talking about Mike Lee's urges. 0:39:54.280 --> 0:39:57.759 Okay, it's in the broadcastable space. Mike Lee has the 0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:01.800 urge to sell off public land. He has tried twice 0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:03.800 this year. We spoke about this a little bit on 0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:06.560 ed right. We talked about it in the context of 0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:10.799 the Big Beautiful Bill or the one Big Beautiful Bill Act. 0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:13.239 Yeah, he did try that like half a year ago. 0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:17.040 Yes, he did. Well, Garrison, I regret to inform you 0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:19.960 that Mike Lee is back somehow. 0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:21.240 Mike Lee has returned. 0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:24.960 Yeah, and this time he has got a new thing. 0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:29.120 So last time, if you remember, he talked about selling 0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:34.280 off the public land to make affordable housing. Sure, sure, yeah. 0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:36.120 Not going to look into this any further. 0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:38.920 And I'm gonna that was exactly what he was relying on. 0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:42.560 That no one gave a shit about the millions of 0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:44.600 acres that we all get access to, and they would 0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:45.560 just trust him on. 0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:50.600 That one based Mike Lee and his abundance exactly. 0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:54.640 It's him and Ran shaking hands when it comes to 0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:58.040 affordable housing, but something they care about very much, I'm sure, 0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:01.239 something that Mike Lee has campaigned on for. He did 0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:03.640 not stick Landing on that because people read the proposal 0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:05.799 and they noticed that it was going to do nothing 0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:09.520 for housing affordability whatsoever. If it did create any housing 0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:12.359 at all. It was going to be like super rich 0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:17.640 people's McMansions. You know, this was not going to do 0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:20.239 anything to move the needlean and affordable housing in the US. 0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:24.560 This time he has found a cause which receives even 0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:27.760 less scrutiny. Can you guess what it is, Garrison. 0:41:27.920 --> 0:41:33.520 Ah, for why we need to sell the public lands? Yes, 0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:39.120 I'm trying to not just look ahead on your script. 0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:41.279 Yeah, there is a document in front of you which, 0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:46.759 as he asked, it, so close your eyes. But there's 0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:48.440 like two or three things in the US where everyone 0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:50.320 just seems to turn a blind eye. 0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:52.960 To, like, Oh, I mean this is it for like 0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:56.760 is it for like developing land for like oil data centers? 0:41:57.160 --> 0:41:57.279 Uh? 0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:00.479 Well, that probably is what's happening. But he's he's smart 0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:01.480 enough not to say that. 0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:05.960 Right, super gold magic carp as in the as in 0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:09.840 the film Eddington. I mean I would guess the data centers, 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:11.879 but that that's that I could be wrong. 0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:17.520 It's border security. Oh great, of course, right, you could 0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:19.640 have said anti terrorism and probably got there to you. 0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:23.160 But no, it is it is securing US southern well 0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:29.000 all aboarders, actually southern border, northern border, eastern and Western 0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:33.759 maritime borders. Obviously they're they're looking to prevent any more 0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:34.960 people coming in from Canada. 0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:38.600 Is not a border stick that that is correct, that 0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:45.799 borders because literally, so you go to search something, pulled 0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:47.560 up the map of the United States. I was like, 0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:50.960 I don't think you maybe I'm misremembering, but Uta is 0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:51.759 not a border state. 0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:54.720 Is absolutely not a border states. 0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:57.600 Actually not a border state. It is above Arizona, which. 0:42:57.480 --> 0:43:02.839 Is yeah, so that is perhaps what's going on here. 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:05.880 Mike Lee has found a way to sell off public 0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:08.879 lands without selling off Utah public lands. Oh, in this case, 0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:12.759 not really sell off, but destroy and degrade in a 0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:15.560 way which is very clearly going to lead to commercial exploitation. 0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:19.480 Right what Lee proposes, what Lee's bill has a bunch 0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:22.800 of cosponsors. I believe the only border state senator co 0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:26.520 sponsoring it is head crewis. Yeah, that makes sense, big 0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:31.400 public lands, respector. But Lie's bill would allow the Department 0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:36.320 of Homeland Security to quote inventory illegal roads and trails 0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:39.040 on public land within one hundred miles of the border 0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:43.120 and then convert them into navigable roads. That is the 0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:46.080 part that makes no sense, right, Like when you look 0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:50.120 at Lee's statements and I will read one of Lee's 0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:53.680 statements here. So this is a statement on the Senate 0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:58.479 Energy Committee web page where they talk about Energy Natural 0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:04.120 Resources Committee. Is quote from Mike Lee explaining his bill quote, 0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:10.319 Biden's open border chaos is destroying America's crown duels. I'm 0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:14.680 going to pause here to note this. According to my watch, 0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:17.919 we're at November seventh, twenty twenty five. 0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:21.759 Well your watches, rog, Yeah, we. 0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:24.799 Are once again asking the most important question of. 0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:27.800 Our time was president who is? 0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:29.720 He used the presidense? 0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:33.320 It didn't. It's not even like talking about twenty twenty 0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:35.240 and pretending that Trumble was a president. 0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:39.280 He's doing it right now, that the art border policies 0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:42.880 are destroying our nactual lands. 0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:47.560 Yeah, we were a year after the election. You've had 0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:49.600 time to come to terms with this. You can't just 0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:53.120 keep pointing at Joe Biden like but apparently I guess 0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:53.400 you can. 0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:56.200 They're going to keep doing that for three more years 0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:57.200 until there's a new guy. 0:44:58.360 --> 0:44:58.560 Yeah. 0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:02.960 Yeah, So let's go on with Chairman Lee, his chairman 0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:06.719 of this Senate Energy Natural Resources Committee. Right, Families who 0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:08.880 want to enjoy a safe hike or camp out are 0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:13.600 instead finding trash piles, burned landscapes, and trails closed because 0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:17.840 rangers are stuck cleaning up the fallout. Cartels are exploiting 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:21.319 the disorder, using these lands as cover for their operations. 0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:25.120 This bill gives land managers and border agents tools to 0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:28.640 restore order and protect these places for the people they 0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:31.320 were meant to serve. He's doing the thing where he 0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:34.680 says one thing and then his build does something completely different. Yeah, 0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:36.680 what he is saying is on the face of it, 0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:40.040 somewhat ridiculous. But what he's claiming he's going to do 0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:41.960 is protect these lands. 0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:42.160 Right. 0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:45.280 What the bill allows them to do is to find 0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:48.640 roads that are not permitted and turn them into navigable roads. 0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:53.160 So just actually pave roads, yes, in the protected wildlife in. 0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:56.640 The Yeah, well, crucially in wilderness areas. Right, So in 0:45:56.640 --> 0:46:01.960 the nineteen sixty four Wilderness Act not allow for there 0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:07.279 to be any mechanized access. Lie's bill proposes not just 0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:10.279 to amend the Wilderness Act for within one hundred miles 0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:14.800 of the border, but to amend it entirely to allow 0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:17.000 for the construction of roads so. 0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:20.799 That they can pulice the public lands better. That's that's 0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:22.279 what he's saying. Yeah, right. 0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:24.760 Well, he's one of his claims is for search and rescue, 0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:27.719 and that there are already exemptions that allow for mechanize 0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:32.719 search and rescue access, right, like yeah, things like helicopters, right, helicopters. Yeah, 0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:35.840 if you get and even like you get like motorized gurneys, 0:46:35.920 --> 0:46:37.800 you can use the SAR things like that, right, Like 0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:41.040 they even ATVs. Right, there's a threat to human. 0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:42.280 Lives a Toyota tacoma. 0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:45.040 Yeah, I mean you'd struggle in most wilderness lands with 0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:48.560 the tacoma, but yeah, you could. You could give it 0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:52.640 a college try, but it's ludicrous. He hasn't even made 0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:55.279 an effort to join the dots, you know. It also 0:46:56.000 --> 0:47:01.200 calls for fire mitigation by clearing fuels and building fire breaks, 0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:05.480 and includes a provision that would quote address invasive or 0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:09.680 non native species in the wilderness area. Yeah, like what 0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:11.480 are you going to go in there and round us? 0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:14.040 Everyone's planting and spreading invasive species. 0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:16.320 Yeah, I mean, of course they're invasive species right. Late, Like, 0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:18.279 if you go to parts of where I live, like 0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:21.160 you'll see mustard, which is not an indigenous species. Because 0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:23.239 the climate's changing and people move around the world and 0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:26.239 like lots and lots of animals that weren't like here 0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:28.120 twenty thousand years ago, are here now. 0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:30.640 I mean, you can make an argument for managing these areas. 0:47:30.960 --> 0:47:33.040 I don't think he's coming at this from an environmental 0:47:33.160 --> 0:47:34.800 conservation standpoint. 0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:35.480 Yeah. 0:47:36.160 --> 0:47:38.800 I don't know what the non native species thing is 0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:42.520 about other than just like nativism for plants, Like, I 0:47:42.760 --> 0:47:45.200 genuinely can't work it out. If anyone has any ideas, 0:47:45.480 --> 0:47:48.760 please let me know. It also attempts to inventory damage 0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:53.400 done to public lands by migrants, Like what wildfires are 0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:56.880 caused by migrants? How many national parks are trashed by migrants? 0:47:56.920 --> 0:47:57.640 Oh my god? 0:47:58.280 --> 0:48:00.440 Yeah, as opposed to the Americans that has since you 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.839 treat these areas like dogshit. Yeahs who simply just don't 0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:05.160 do their jobs because they're too lazy. 0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:09.000 Yeah, And like the literally thousands of people a year 0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:12.279 who fucking drag their refrigerator or television onto public land 0:48:12.320 --> 0:48:15.200 and execute it by firing squad. Yeah, like yeah, maybe 0:48:15.239 --> 0:48:16.920 make a bill about that. I mean, you want to 0:48:16.920 --> 0:48:19.480 do something nice for public land. I want to give 0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:22.920 a definition of wilderness from Howard. I think it's zamasap 0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:24.840 and he ever read his name with the Wilderness Society, 0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:28.120 who more or less wrote Act It defines wilderness as 0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:31.520 quote a wilderness in contrast with those areas where man 0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:34.799 and his own works dominate the landscape is hereby recognized 0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:37.040 as an area where the earth and its community of 0:48:37.160 --> 0:48:40.719 life are untrammeled by man, where man himself is a 0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:44.319 visitor and who does not remain. I don't actually really 0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:48.880 like that definition. I like wilderness, but I'm not a 0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:51.880 big fan of the idea of like, quote unquote untouched wilderness. Right, like, 0:48:52.680 --> 0:48:55.600 every bit of what is now the United States is 0:48:55.600 --> 0:48:58.040 a place where indigenous people have been living and surviving 0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:00.759 for tens of thousands of years before it was the 0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:05.040 United States. It's not untouched. It's just not fucked by 0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:07.960 extractive capitalism in a way that a lot of our 0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:09.879 land has been in the last two hundred years. 0:49:10.239 --> 0:49:12.479 There could be touching without a fuck, that's what you're saying. 0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:24.320 I saw this mischievous look come on their face, and 0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:26.400 I didn't know which direction they were going to take it, 0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:30.120 but I didn't expect that one. 0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:32.520 Now this is podcasting. 0:49:32.920 --> 0:49:35.759 Yeah wow, yeah, we've just left the news reel. Let's 0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:38.399 do an advertising break it so we can't come back 0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:52.160 from that, all right, we've returned out de scandalized myself. 0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:58.879 Lee is currently making his claims right that this will 0:49:58.960 --> 0:50:02.880 somehow make the border safer and make people on public 0:50:03.000 --> 0:50:03.600 lands safer. 0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:06.960 This is such the thinnest justification that you're throwing in, 0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:11.120 Like this is so I severely doubt he sincerely even 0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:11.640 believes this. 0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:14.200 Yeah, I mean, the border patrol have access to all 0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:16.880 these lands, right, like I see I think the cumber 0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:19.000 wildness of state wilderness, I see border patrol in there 0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:19.560 all the time. 0:50:20.080 --> 0:50:22.560 I can see there's many reasons for why our republic 0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:25.960 and might be interested in, like building road infrastructure in 0:50:26.040 --> 0:50:30.719 these places and border security. Frankly, is insulting that you're 0:50:30.840 --> 0:50:34.040 that he's even trying to use that as a zeitgeist justification. 0:50:34.480 --> 0:50:39.040 Yeah, it's fucking ludicrous. Like the Trump administration is speed 0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:44.240 running extractive capitalism on our public lands right, just yesterday 0:50:44.280 --> 0:50:47.960 when we're recordings recording on Friday, Joe Biden is president, 0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:50.920 as you will remember, Friday seventh, November twenty twenty five, 0:50:51.239 --> 0:50:55.800 the Trump administration nominated. Okay, I've outed myself. I'm not 0:50:55.880 --> 0:50:59.719 a Biden. I'm not a Biden. Truth. The Trump administration 0:50:59.760 --> 0:51:02.960 don't d Steve Pierce to lead the Bureau of Land Management. 0:51:03.320 --> 0:51:07.200 Pis is a former New Mexico congressman who has supported 0:51:07.320 --> 0:51:10.920 brilling and fracking on federal land. He's also a serial 0:51:11.640 --> 0:51:15.080 loser in congressional and state races in New Mexico. I 0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:17.800 think he lost a Senate and a gubernatorial race, and 0:51:17.920 --> 0:51:21.400 he has voted to shrink existing public lands. The Trump 0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:27.439 admin did this before, right, people will probably if they're 0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:31.280 engaged in public land advocacy, they will remember the attempts 0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:35.759 to save the Bears Ears National Monument from oil exploitation, 0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:39.760 which again is in Utah. Utah is for whatever reason, 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:44.440 Utah is a hotbed of anti public lands settlement. Amusingly, 0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:48.319 the previous nominee for the leadership of the BLM had 0:51:48.360 --> 0:51:51.600 to be removed when emails condemning Trump's response to January 0:51:51.680 --> 0:51:56.000 sixth came to light. She I guess failed the loyalty test. 0:51:56.600 --> 0:52:00.239 Trump has also put Doug Bergham at the head of 0:52:00.400 --> 0:52:04.520 the Department of the Interior. Right, if you're willing with 0:52:04.600 --> 0:52:06.480 Bergham's stick, guess. 0:52:06.280 --> 0:52:08.640 His name sounds incredibly familiar. 0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:12.919 Yeah, he was governor I believe in North Dakota. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, 0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:15.800 Like he did this pivot on like culture war issues 0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:21.640 where he had previously been not opposed to abortion, for example, 0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:25.200 and he just took a massive swing to the right 0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:29.160 in order to kind of align with the MAGA position 0:52:29.280 --> 0:52:31.560 over time. So he's not only in the Department of 0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:35.560 the Interior. I wrote about this on my newsletter that 0:52:35.600 --> 0:52:39.719 I write because when he was nominated, he received a 0:52:40.120 --> 0:52:44.279 letter of support from the Outdoor Recreation round Table, a 0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:49.200 bunch of outdoor brands, notably ARII was one of the 0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:52.919 brands that supported his nomination. Bergham is another big oil 0:52:53.000 --> 0:52:55.360 and gas guy, right, He's a guy who has talked 0:52:55.400 --> 0:52:58.600 about the need for energy exploitation on public land. I 0:52:58.760 --> 0:53:01.400 have a whole script, did series and in working on 0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:05.319 about specifically drilling in the Arctic refuge. But this goes 0:53:05.440 --> 0:53:09.919 far far beyond that, right, this could potentially affect every 0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:12.000 piece of public land, every national park, a re national 0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:13.280 monument in the United States. 0:53:13.440 --> 0:53:15.640 Drill baby drill, Yes, drill baby. 0:53:15.480 --> 0:53:18.520 Drill is pretty much our approach to public land these days. Amusingly, 0:53:18.600 --> 0:53:22.759 ARII was shamed into rescinding their support of Bergham. Good 0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:25.920 for that, Yeah, yeah, one of the few instances where 0:53:25.920 --> 0:53:29.080 people probably posted their way to a change in in 0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:32.120 some in some kind of some kind of policy. I guess, 0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:35.479 even though it's only ARII policy, I want to talk 0:53:35.800 --> 0:53:39.120 a little bit about like how we got to this 0:53:39.440 --> 0:53:45.080 idea of public land and the sort of way that 0:53:45.200 --> 0:53:49.120 it's sometimes referred to, and in a where I would 0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:51.880 prefer we talked about it. I guess the idea we 0:53:51.960 --> 0:53:53.920 have right now is that there are various tiers of 0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:58.319 public land. Right, there's Bureau of Land Management land, which 0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:01.200 is often the least protected. We have national parks, we 0:54:01.320 --> 0:54:05.680 have national monuments, we have national forests, and we have wilderness, right, 0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:09.680 wilderness being among the most protected. The problem with this 0:54:09.880 --> 0:54:14.480 approach is that ecosystems don't necessarily respect property lines. Right. 0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:19.719 So let's take for example, in Alaska. Right, they have 0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:23.600 hundreds of thousands of acres of their own, but their 0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:26.800 traditional way of life and indeed, like their existence depends 0:54:26.840 --> 0:54:30.279 on the existence of the porcupine caribou herd. The porcupine 0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:33.640 caribou herd makes the longest migration of any land mammal 0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:37.800 on Earth, and it carves on the coastal plane, the 0:54:37.880 --> 0:54:40.800 coastal plain. The Guichin way of saying it would be 0:54:41.520 --> 0:54:44.000 I have heard this said a lot of times. My 0:54:44.520 --> 0:54:46.919 sincere apologies if I don't get it right, like I'm 0:54:46.960 --> 0:54:51.160 trama best. What's an gwandai goodly? It means a sacred 0:54:51.280 --> 0:54:54.560 place where life begins. It's a very sacred place for gwichin. 0:54:54.640 --> 0:54:57.560 Don't go there themselves because it's a sacred place. But 0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:01.800 it is not in the land. It is part of 0:55:01.840 --> 0:55:05.000 the Arctic refuge, a place where the Trump administration is 0:55:05.200 --> 0:55:08.880 selling oil and gas leases. Right, So if the caribou 0:55:08.960 --> 0:55:12.400 can't carve, then doesn't matter. It still matters to the 0:55:12.440 --> 0:55:13.840 which you have all this land. But they won't have 0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:16.520 their cariboo, right because the herd will be so disrupted 0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:19.560 by oil and gas drilling where it's carving that it 0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:22.640 will then disrupt that whole landscape. Right without cariboo, that 0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:29.080 landscape would be fundamentally different. So right now, the way 0:55:29.719 --> 0:55:33.479 we talk about public lands, I think we talk about 0:55:33.520 --> 0:55:37.600 them like in terms of leisure, right, Like often they're 0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:41.080 scene as having a value, Like I guess the classic 0:55:41.160 --> 0:55:44.880 example would be maybe don't remember this gag. Patagonia run 0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:48.480 an advertising campaign called the Places We Play In the 0:55:48.560 --> 0:55:52.399 last Trump administration. That's not it, right, that is not cool. 0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:54.919 I think if we only see wilderness as a place 0:55:54.960 --> 0:55:58.400 where like folks go outside to do send the nar 0:55:58.600 --> 0:56:03.200 on climbing routes and and fucking shred some mountain bike trails, bro, 0:56:04.040 --> 0:56:07.080 then we fundamentally like missed the value of it, right. Yeah, 0:56:07.440 --> 0:56:10.440 this goes back a long long time. For instance, if 0:56:10.480 --> 0:56:13.160 we look back in ninety twenty nine with specifically with 0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:16.360 the protection of the Arctic Refuge, we can see this 0:56:16.600 --> 0:56:19.360 piece that Bob Marshall wrote. Bob Marshall was a forest 0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:21.719 at the time, but he's kind of important in this 0:56:22.120 --> 0:56:25.680 creating this idea of like wilderness and wilderness protections. He 0:56:25.800 --> 0:56:28.480 talked about the quote unquote emotional values of the frontier 0:56:28.640 --> 0:56:31.879 being preserved in the wilderness, which again I think kind 0:56:31.920 --> 0:56:34.719 of tells us a lot a lot of what's going 0:56:34.840 --> 0:56:35.279 on here. 0:56:35.560 --> 0:56:39.880 It's a very very Theodore Roosevelt brained approach to conservation. 0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:41.920 Yeah, right, Like we can go out there and we 0:56:42.000 --> 0:56:45.000 can all pretend to be like the guys who participated 0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:48.200 in the genocide of indigenous peoples of North America. I 0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:51.880 guess like he also he considered using the definition attract 0:56:51.920 --> 0:56:55.400 of solitude and savageness, which again like it says a 0:56:55.440 --> 0:56:58.600 lot about like it's removing the people from the land, 0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:01.759 right like, like both literally and in our conception of it. 0:57:02.320 --> 0:57:04.600 And I don't think we should do that. Right when 0:57:04.680 --> 0:57:07.080 we talk about wilderness, we need to talk about it 0:57:07.200 --> 0:57:10.320 hand in hand with the indigenous people of this country 0:57:10.400 --> 0:57:15.480 and their traditional management practices which allowed this place to 0:57:15.520 --> 0:57:19.120 be unspoiled until folks started to exploit it in the 0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:22.960 last couple of hundred years. They'll take an ad break, 0:57:23.000 --> 0:57:26.440 hopefully we get something for like fracking or some other 0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:41.680 petrochemical industry, and it will be right back. We are back, 0:57:42.280 --> 0:57:46.280 and we are talking about Senator Mike Lee again, Garrison, 0:57:46.720 --> 0:57:51.600 would you like to guess which industries have emerged on 0:57:51.720 --> 0:57:54.600 the top of Senator Mike Lee's donor list when I 0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:57.160 cruise unto open secrets? 0:57:57.560 --> 0:57:59.200 Is it fracking and drilling? 0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:04.040 See real estate? He's got a ton of money from 0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:07.720 real estate. About six hundred and sixty five thousand. Six 0:58:07.880 --> 0:58:10.000 hundred and sixty five thousand is not that much money 0:58:10.400 --> 0:58:13.560 when you consider the millions of acres of public lands 0:58:13.920 --> 0:58:18.080 which would be completely and permanently altered by. 0:58:18.080 --> 0:58:19.840 This, right, Yeah, he really should be asking for a 0:58:19.920 --> 0:58:21.160 lot more money to sell. 0:58:21.000 --> 0:58:23.400 Off the secure the bag. 0:58:24.400 --> 0:58:26.680 If you're going to do this, it's grossly undervalue. 0:58:26.760 --> 0:58:29.800 Yeah. I always look at campaign donations and I kind 0:58:29.800 --> 0:58:32.120 of expect them to be in the billions or trillions 0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:36.520 when like you're looking at just this massive and permanent 0:58:36.680 --> 0:58:38.360 change in government policy. 0:58:39.320 --> 0:58:40.280 It's that easy, folks. 0:58:40.560 --> 0:58:44.320 Yeah, which is why we are launching a crowdfunding campaign 0:58:45.440 --> 0:58:48.120 to buy back or the public lands. We're not no 0:58:48.200 --> 0:58:50.520 one should own them. We should not be buying them 0:58:50.600 --> 0:58:55.960 back that they should be protected. It's kind of remarkable 0:58:56.000 --> 0:58:58.000 how many of our public lands this would impact right 0:58:58.040 --> 0:59:00.560 within one hundred miles of the border that gives us 0:59:00.680 --> 0:59:06.800 two thirds of the United States population. The general definition 0:59:07.400 --> 0:59:10.800 that DHS has operated with also includes all of the 0:59:10.880 --> 0:59:16.479 Great Lakes as quote unquote international waterways, so that takes 0:59:16.520 --> 0:59:19.800 in like a good chunk of the Midwest, right. It 0:59:19.840 --> 0:59:22.200 would then go one hundred miles from the shore of 0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:26.360 any of the Great Lakes. I've seen this reported on 0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:29.600 very poorly or not at all. A lot of the 0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:33.160 people who are better at talking about public lands are 0:59:33.240 --> 0:59:36.240 like the hunting fishing, like hook and bullet media. They 0:59:36.280 --> 0:59:41.200 will talk about it more in my experience, and like 0:59:41.320 --> 0:59:44.200 the straight up outdoor media right, which is where I've 0:59:44.360 --> 0:59:47.600 made my career at least somewhat for the last fifteen years. 0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:51.280 They will also go harder for it, like it's generally 0:59:51.320 --> 0:59:56.240 a more conservative world, but like they will they will 0:59:56.280 --> 0:59:59.240 go after politicians who sell public lands. But I think 0:59:59.280 --> 1:00:02.080 if you're in capable understanding that, like the border as 1:00:02.120 --> 1:00:04.800 a zone of exception, the border as a zone without 1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:08.040 constitutional rights is a problem, and this selling of the 1:00:08.120 --> 1:00:11.240 public lands is part of that problem, then like it's 1:00:11.320 --> 1:00:13.320 very hard to have a complete analysis of this. So 1:00:13.480 --> 1:00:17.040 like I've seen a lot of analysis without any seemingly 1:00:17.160 --> 1:00:20.320 where the rights don't understand that United States operates this 1:00:20.360 --> 1:00:24.240 one hundred mile border enforcement zone, right, and that you, 1:00:24.720 --> 1:00:26.600 as a US citizen or as a non senstem have 1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:30.200 fewer rights within that enforcement zone. I have seen a 1:00:30.280 --> 1:00:33.800 lot of analysis which doesn't take into account this weird 1:00:34.680 --> 1:00:39.320 assessing of migrant damage to public land, Like in what 1:00:39.680 --> 1:00:43.760 world is that a useful allocation of governments? Like there 1:00:43.800 --> 1:00:46.960 are places right where like if I think about the 1:00:47.000 --> 1:00:51.080 places where the Biden administration did outdoor attention, that landscape 1:00:51.240 --> 1:00:54.760 was damaged because people had fires to stay warm, and 1:00:55.080 --> 1:00:58.520 that fire cause is scarring right in our desert landscapes. Yeah, 1:00:58.560 --> 1:01:00.920 that landscape is damaged. Like, how you going to what 1:01:01.000 --> 1:01:02.200 are you going to do? There were like a thousand 1:01:02.200 --> 1:01:04.080 people a day coming through at one point. Are you 1:01:04.120 --> 1:01:05.800 going to find them all and charge them more for 1:01:06.040 --> 1:01:11.440 like misdemeanor California fire? But also there's a tiny provision 1:01:11.440 --> 1:01:14.640 of this bill that I found that suggests that migrants 1:01:14.680 --> 1:01:19.880 cannot be housed on federal public land unless they are 1:01:20.000 --> 1:01:26.200 housed in a detention center. Yeah, yeah, great, thanks. That 1:01:26.520 --> 1:01:29.480 was kind of the case before, Like you couldn't really 1:01:29.560 --> 1:01:31.480 just be like, well, I mean, by the administration did 1:01:31.600 --> 1:01:33.320 just say right, you'll Campaigre and will come get you 1:01:33.360 --> 1:01:36.800 in a week. There wasn't really a legal precedent for that. 1:01:37.240 --> 1:01:39.480 They just went ahead and did it. I guess what 1:01:39.600 --> 1:01:42.040 I want to end up with is like I'm obviously 1:01:42.440 --> 1:01:44.120 very passionate about this. I guess I'm kind of a 1:01:44.160 --> 1:01:47.480 public land super user. You do be camping, Yeah I do. 1:01:47.640 --> 1:01:49.480 I am a Yeah, I am a camping guy. If 1:01:49.480 --> 1:01:53.200 there's one thing that defines me, it's going camping. I 1:01:53.320 --> 1:01:55.680 try and sleep outside at least once a month. But yeah, 1:01:56.000 --> 1:01:59.120 most of My happiest memories in life are like moving 1:01:59.240 --> 1:02:01.840 under my own power through the mountains. That is when 1:02:01.880 --> 1:02:04.800 I'm happiest. That is how I deal with my shit. 1:02:05.680 --> 1:02:08.800 That is what I do with myself after every single 1:02:08.880 --> 1:02:13.960 one of the traumatic work trips that you that you 1:02:14.040 --> 1:02:17.160 seem to love listening to you, right like that, that 1:02:17.280 --> 1:02:19.680 is how I cope with the fact that my job 1:02:19.800 --> 1:02:21.920 is to turn trauma into stuff to go in between 1:02:22.000 --> 1:02:25.480 chumber casino ads. So, yeah, I love public lands, but 1:02:25.560 --> 1:02:30.760 you should too, even if you don't recreate on public lands, right, 1:02:31.120 --> 1:02:33.120 So that's the public lands are called America's best idea. 1:02:33.200 --> 1:02:36.200 I don't like that because inherent in having public lands 1:02:36.400 --> 1:02:38.880 is the removal of them from indigenous people, right, and 1:02:38.920 --> 1:02:43.160 indigenous people losing their sovereignty over those lands. But as 1:02:43.280 --> 1:02:47.520 things that the state has done with land goes, protecting 1:02:47.600 --> 1:02:51.040 it for future generations is one of the good ones, right, 1:02:51.160 --> 1:02:54.960 Like there are some truly special places. The vastness of 1:02:55.520 --> 1:02:58.680 the Western United States is why I live here. I 1:02:58.760 --> 1:03:02.960 cycled across the United States in twenty ten, and I 1:03:03.120 --> 1:03:06.480 was just blown away by like the scale of the 1:03:06.600 --> 1:03:10.320 landscapes without significant human damage. That's still something I'm blown 1:03:10.320 --> 1:03:14.280 away by yeah, you know, fifteen years later. I spend 1:03:14.320 --> 1:03:15.680 as much time as I can, and not just like 1:03:15.920 --> 1:03:17.680 national parks. I think a lot of people, if they've 1:03:17.760 --> 1:03:20.760 visited public land, were associated with national parks. I'd really 1:03:20.840 --> 1:03:23.760 encourage you to like hit up national forests, wilderness lands 1:03:23.920 --> 1:03:26.840 like places where there it's not a line or a 1:03:26.960 --> 1:03:30.280 ticket kiosk, Like you can have a really special wilderness 1:03:30.320 --> 1:03:31.960 experience there. But even if you don't want to, that 1:03:32.000 --> 1:03:34.920 doesn't appeal to you, if it's not something that you 1:03:35.080 --> 1:03:38.880 feel like physically or otherwise comfortable doing, the fact that 1:03:39.000 --> 1:03:41.920 it will be there for future generations, the fact that 1:03:42.120 --> 1:03:45.800 like there is potential to return this land to the 1:03:45.880 --> 1:03:51.040 indigenous people of North America without giant fucking mind scars 1:03:51.120 --> 1:03:53.760 and roads cut through it right now is something that 1:03:53.880 --> 1:03:57.040 we should fight for. And like public lands, it's one 1:03:57.040 --> 1:03:59.959 of those things where like I have conversations with dudes 1:04:00.040 --> 1:04:03.160 who do not agree with me politically at all, like 1:04:03.280 --> 1:04:06.320 people who definitely voted for Donald Trump who are also 1:04:06.880 --> 1:04:10.680 furious about this shit. And if you can help people 1:04:10.920 --> 1:04:13.720 see that this is part of a bigger problem, Like 1:04:13.800 --> 1:04:15.160 if this can be a place where we can build 1:04:15.160 --> 1:04:17.080 a coalition, that is a good thing, and it's one 1:04:17.080 --> 1:04:19.680 of those things that like to take action, you can 1:04:19.800 --> 1:04:22.080 just live out and go on the internet and write 1:04:22.080 --> 1:04:25.080 to your senator, call your representative. Like you can do 1:04:25.280 --> 1:04:29.480 these things which are so easy, low risk, and like 1:04:30.360 --> 1:04:33.360 it's a sort of engagement that like neoliberal bipartisan politics 1:04:33.920 --> 1:04:37.480 wants you to have. Right, it's not hard, but in 1:04:37.560 --> 1:04:40.520 this instance, you can do something really good by doing that. 1:04:40.800 --> 1:04:43.920 So I would encourage you to do that. Mike Lee's 1:04:44.000 --> 1:04:47.480 bill is currently in committee. I believe the Energy and 1:04:47.640 --> 1:04:53.160 Natural Resources Committee TBD whether it gets out of there, 1:04:53.440 --> 1:04:57.040 but he has tried twice, like since the summer to 1:04:57.320 --> 1:05:02.000 significantly destroy this credible thing that we all have access 1:05:02.000 --> 1:05:04.280 to in the United States. He will continue to try. 1:05:05.200 --> 1:05:09.960 This is clearly something that he has an agenda for, so, like, 1:05:10.400 --> 1:05:12.280 I would really encourage people to keep an eye out 1:05:12.640 --> 1:05:15.360 and we will keep reporting on it. Anything else you 1:05:15.440 --> 1:05:17.480 want to talk about public land scare. 1:05:17.800 --> 1:05:22.040 Yeah, I mean it's a different approach to dealing with 1:05:22.640 --> 1:05:27.200 like protected wilderness land. Prop one to amend the state 1:05:27.280 --> 1:05:31.480 Constitution just passed in New York. Basically what happened like 1:05:31.480 --> 1:05:34.400 one hundred years ago, they were building this Olympic sports 1:05:34.480 --> 1:05:40.120 complex and violation of the wilderness like protection like state 1:05:40.480 --> 1:05:45.160 like act or part of the Constitution. And to deal 1:05:45.240 --> 1:05:47.600 with that, I'm not sure what it's taken this long, 1:05:48.080 --> 1:05:51.320 but to deal with this, they have just days ago 1:05:52.120 --> 1:05:55.040 voted to amenda Constitution to set aside two thousand, five 1:05:55.120 --> 1:06:01.280 hundred acres of mountain land nearby but not on this complex, 1:06:01.400 --> 1:06:06.160 and to turn that into protected land to then continue 1:06:06.240 --> 1:06:10.040 the operation and like maintenance of the sports complex. The 1:06:10.160 --> 1:06:13.880 proposition was worded a bit weird, but I think in 1:06:14.000 --> 1:06:17.000 effect this just results in there being in in the 1:06:17.120 --> 1:06:21.760 end of more public land or more protected land specifically. Yeah, 1:06:22.280 --> 1:06:26.240 and the complex that already exists can then continue to 1:06:26.720 --> 1:06:29.320 function because the lands already it was already used. 1:06:29.560 --> 1:06:32.440 Yeah, right, like they sort of built it and then 1:06:32.880 --> 1:06:37.040 ask permission like I guess one hundred years later almost. Yeah, 1:06:38.040 --> 1:06:41.840 Like land swaps happen they like and like like sometimes 1:06:41.840 --> 1:06:43.760 you'll see people being like, oh, it's this public landing 1:06:43.800 --> 1:06:46.240 sort of Like sometimes land swaps are very menial, right, 1:06:46.320 --> 1:06:49.400 like if there's a little parcel of national forest land 1:06:49.520 --> 1:06:51.600 or like it can be it's a piece that like 1:06:51.760 --> 1:06:53.320 is next to a school and the school needs a 1:06:53.360 --> 1:06:56.520 playing field and those yeah things like that land. Landswaps 1:06:56.560 --> 1:07:01.000 do happen. And as long as we're not like losing 1:07:01.080 --> 1:07:04.800 anchorage to oil and gas or to like mcmahonson building, 1:07:05.160 --> 1:07:06.600 you know, I think we can be flexible. 1:07:06.680 --> 1:07:06.720 No. 1:07:06.800 --> 1:07:08.560 I mean if anything, this this, this will set us 1:07:08.600 --> 1:07:11.800 side thousands of acres of land to not have that 1:07:12.040 --> 1:07:15.120 happen to it. Yeah, in the mountains of like that 1:07:15.360 --> 1:07:21.200 run agyoric. Yes, and then this complex can now continue 1:07:21.280 --> 1:07:23.480 to get maintained. I think if this, if this didn't pass, 1:07:24.120 --> 1:07:27.640 they would like restrictions would fall upon the capacity of 1:07:27.680 --> 1:07:29.040 this complex started to be operating. 1:07:29.120 --> 1:07:30.640 That's dumb because you have a place which is like 1:07:30.920 --> 1:07:34.640 it's not going back, right, Like, once you've built stuff, you. 1:07:34.600 --> 1:07:35.080 Should use it. 1:07:35.120 --> 1:07:37.120 The damage has been dying, I should use it here 1:07:37.200 --> 1:07:40.480 and then protect more land exactly. Yeah, And luckily this 1:07:40.720 --> 1:07:43.800 this thing barely passed. It was it was pretty closing 1:07:43.840 --> 1:07:44.840 around fifty two percent. 1:07:45.000 --> 1:07:45.160 Yes. 1:07:45.800 --> 1:07:47.840 Most of the votes for no did come from people, 1:07:47.920 --> 1:07:50.160 I think living in New York City. I think mostly 1:07:50.160 --> 1:07:52.520 because of the way the proposition was worded. It was 1:07:52.760 --> 1:07:55.200 worded in a in an odd way because it made 1:07:55.240 --> 1:07:59.920 it sound like you're like sacrificing currently protected land at 1:08:00.120 --> 1:08:03.360 complexes on so I think people who are approaching it's 1:08:03.360 --> 1:08:06.800 from like kind of an ecological standpoint, a consumation standpoint. Yeah, 1:08:07.400 --> 1:08:11.760 like misunderstood or had or had some like differing view 1:08:11.880 --> 1:08:16.040 on like the value of protecting the current land and 1:08:16.080 --> 1:08:19.680 the complex is on versus establishing thousands of acres of 1:08:19.720 --> 1:08:21.080 more lands to be protected nearby. 1:08:21.720 --> 1:08:24.960 Right, Yeah, I mean initiatives and propositions are often written 1:08:25.080 --> 1:08:28.120 in a particularly bizarre way, and it's a It's not 1:08:28.200 --> 1:08:31.360 like like the California Prop fifty was like two lines. 1:08:31.439 --> 1:08:34.840 This is several paragraphs of so I can see how 1:08:34.880 --> 1:08:37.760 it would have been confusing to people. But yeah, like 1:08:37.880 --> 1:08:40.080 this also happens at a state level all the time, right, 1:08:40.200 --> 1:08:42.840 Like states have public lands too. You'll see like a 1:08:42.920 --> 1:08:47.040 patchwork of state and federal and private land, especially like 1:08:47.160 --> 1:08:49.920 in some national forests in the West. Right, But that's 1:08:49.960 --> 1:08:53.960 something that especially in Republican rund states now people should 1:08:53.960 --> 1:08:55.920 be very aware of in their own states. Is like 1:08:56.760 --> 1:09:00.759 the GOP didn't used to be massively anti public plans. 1:09:01.600 --> 1:09:04.719 This is a new thing for them, right, They always 1:09:04.760 --> 1:09:06.800 felt like they needed their I guess maybe that they 1:09:06.960 --> 1:09:09.920 needed their like hunting, fishing, shooting, crowd. 1:09:10.160 --> 1:09:15.080 No, but environmentalism is now wokeafi Yeah, exactly. Yeah, this 1:09:15.160 --> 1:09:16.559 is like a post al gore. 1:09:16.479 --> 1:09:18.360 Thing of now. 1:09:18.439 --> 1:09:21.519 The conservatives associate a lot of this language with like 1:09:21.760 --> 1:09:24.120 climate change algorisms. 1:09:24.360 --> 1:09:26.599 It's his this woke element. 1:09:27.320 --> 1:09:30.800 Yeah, it's very strange. It's funny. Often when I'm out about, 1:09:31.000 --> 1:09:34.080 you know, like exploring in the back country, I run 1:09:34.080 --> 1:09:37.519 into guys who are out there like they're either hunting 1:09:38.120 --> 1:09:41.280 or like looking for places to hunt. I think will 1:09:41.320 --> 1:09:43.560 be like, oh, yeah, well there aren't as many of 1:09:43.680 --> 1:09:46.120 the turkeys or the deer or the whatever is they 1:09:46.200 --> 1:09:49.000 used to be. But then it's very hard for people 1:09:49.040 --> 1:09:52.280 who now can't say climate change is real to find 1:09:52.320 --> 1:09:55.080 a way of like having permission to say what they 1:09:55.160 --> 1:09:58.200 want to say because they've seen it with their own eyes. Yeah, 1:09:58.560 --> 1:10:00.600 but also the don't want to say it. 1:10:00.680 --> 1:10:02.800 But no, I mean I did an episode about this 1:10:03.320 --> 1:10:05.760 after the R and C because I talked with Yeah, yeah, 1:10:05.840 --> 1:10:10.040 this like Republican conservation group about how they're trying to 1:10:10.160 --> 1:10:14.639 bring back like put the conservative back in conservation. 1:10:15.520 --> 1:10:19.160 Jesus. Yeah. Yeah, I think Germany generally, the idea of 1:10:19.200 --> 1:10:22.439 them conserving anything is pretty much off the table at 1:10:22.479 --> 1:10:24.960 this point. But yeah, people getting out in public land. 1:10:25.040 --> 1:10:27.519 Will you will understand climate change. You spend long enough 1:10:27.520 --> 1:10:30.320 going to the same spot, and you're going to see 1:10:30.360 --> 1:10:32.679 what that means. So it has a lot of benefits. 1:10:33.080 --> 1:10:36.240 Go outside this weekend, go camping. It's a great desert 1:10:36.320 --> 1:10:39.200 season right now. If you're within range of a desert, 1:10:40.040 --> 1:10:42.519 go camping in the desert. Look at the stars to 1:10:42.640 --> 1:10:46.360 find a dark sky area if that's your thing. Because 1:10:46.400 --> 1:10:49.000 ARII who had the like, don't go shopping on Black Friday. 1:10:49.080 --> 1:10:51.760 Go outside. I don't know, you don't. You don't remember this. 1:10:51.880 --> 1:10:53.680 It's okay, this is just shit that I you. 1:10:53.720 --> 1:10:54.519 Know, I am. 1:10:54.760 --> 1:10:59.439 I am pro gazing at the flickering lights of civilization Garrison. 1:11:00.120 --> 1:11:02.600 No one wants to see the fucking flickering lights of civilization. 1:11:03.080 --> 1:11:06.760 I do, I do, I don't. I want to see 1:11:06.800 --> 1:11:09.840 the stars. I camped in Chaco Canyon earlier this year. 1:11:10.120 --> 1:11:13.200 Banger of a national park. That's my it's my final tip. 1:11:13.280 --> 1:11:16.280 View of the Great House at Chaco Canyon was the 1:11:16.479 --> 1:11:21.759 largest building constructed in the United States until eighteen eighty. 1:11:22.160 --> 1:11:23.840 Really yeah, yeah, it is vast. 1:11:24.920 --> 1:11:27.000 It's one of the least visited parks in a system 1:11:27.000 --> 1:11:28.640 because you have to go like seventeen miles down in 1:11:28.680 --> 1:11:34.520 dirt road. Sure, but incredible that these are the ancestral 1:11:34.560 --> 1:11:37.440 Pueblo ins, right, like the people who are the ancestors 1:11:37.479 --> 1:11:41.800 of the Pueblo tribes today. But it's an amazing place 1:11:41.840 --> 1:11:44.080 to go check out. You should all go, not at once. 1:11:44.479 --> 1:11:46.080 There's not enough space for all of you. 1:11:46.360 --> 1:11:48.799 I mean, I'm just rolling through Mike Lee's Twitter account. 1:11:48.880 --> 1:11:53.400 Now, oh yeah, you got any bangers? Not really really, 1:11:53.760 --> 1:11:54.160 not really. 1:11:54.160 --> 1:11:56.479 I mean he's whining about Zoron and posting a lot 1:11:56.520 --> 1:11:58.120 about Charlie Kirk and that's mostly it. 1:11:58.680 --> 1:12:02.200 See, he doesn't talk about this stuff because no one 1:12:02.439 --> 1:12:06.000 likes it. He got hammered by a bunch of like, 1:12:06.240 --> 1:12:09.720 very right wing rancher types on Twitter last time he 1:12:09.800 --> 1:12:10.360 tried to do this. 1:12:10.720 --> 1:12:11.559 Yeah, makes sense. 1:12:11.800 --> 1:12:14.080 I think he knows better because a lot of people 1:12:14.120 --> 1:12:17.200 you can also graze cattle on public land, right, there's 1:12:17.240 --> 1:12:20.200 been a whole standoff about this. Long time listeners will 1:12:20.240 --> 1:12:24.840 remember the Bundy situation. But yeah, linked to I guess 1:12:25.160 --> 1:12:28.040 he's also pissed those people off. Now, I just went 1:12:28.080 --> 1:12:30.120 to search for the news coverage of this. The only 1:12:30.200 --> 1:12:32.840 thing we can find is a Washington Examiner. So it's 1:12:33.240 --> 1:12:36.560 it's just us and them. Got the video the autoplayers 1:12:36.600 --> 1:12:39.240 on the Washington Examiner page is petrifying. 1:12:39.200 --> 1:12:42.600 The true bastions of journalists and the Washington. 1:12:43.520 --> 1:12:47.840 Horseshoes theory come to life. Oh God, all right, I 1:12:48.400 --> 1:12:50.920 go outside. This week's last weekend. Fuck it, don't go 1:12:50.960 --> 1:12:52.679 to work, go outside, go outside tomorrow. 1:12:53.479 --> 1:12:53.719 Bye. 1:13:11.160 --> 1:13:13.439 Hello everyone. This is Dana al Kurd for it could 1:13:13.439 --> 1:13:13.880 happen here. 1:13:14.439 --> 1:13:17.839 I'm a professor and analyst of Palestinian and air politics, 1:13:18.479 --> 1:13:20.880 and today we're joined by Ahmed Moore, who is the 1:13:21.040 --> 1:13:23.080 twenty twenty five Foundation for Middle. 1:13:22.920 --> 1:13:23.719 East Peace fellow. 1:13:24.680 --> 1:13:28.719 He's also an author, an activist, just very very involved 1:13:28.880 --> 1:13:32.320 in the Palestinian space and on the question of Palistini liberation. 1:13:33.120 --> 1:13:36.080 So I've invited Ahma today to discuss with us what 1:13:36.200 --> 1:13:40.519 we can understand about pro Palestine organizing in the past 1:13:40.560 --> 1:13:45.240 two years in comparison to prior to October seventh, twenty 1:13:45.280 --> 1:13:49.080 twenty three, and think kind of analytically about where we 1:13:49.160 --> 1:13:49.760 can go from here. 1:13:51.000 --> 1:13:53.400 We're recording this on November fifth, twenty twenty five. 1:13:53.800 --> 1:13:57.559 We had a very interesting night last night, whereas Ahran 1:13:57.640 --> 1:14:00.080 Mandani was named the mayor of New York City, and 1:14:00.200 --> 1:14:03.160 a lot of think pieces since about how this means 1:14:03.240 --> 1:14:08.280 nothing and actually means everything and Lapro Palestine movement is winning, 1:14:08.400 --> 1:14:12.120 it's really not winning enough, et cetera, et cetera. So, yeah, 1:14:12.120 --> 1:14:14.160 we're in an interesting moment in American politics. I think 1:14:14.479 --> 1:14:17.679 the Palestine question is obviously very very relevant. So yeah, 1:14:17.720 --> 1:14:19.360 I met Welcome to the podcast. 1:14:19.680 --> 1:14:20.280 Thank you, Donna. 1:14:20.360 --> 1:14:21.240 It's a pleasure to be here. 1:14:21.720 --> 1:14:24.519 All right, So maybe we can start with kind of 1:14:24.600 --> 1:14:27.400 an introduction to yourself. You can tell us about your 1:14:27.479 --> 1:14:29.960 experience as an activist, as an organizer. 1:14:30.040 --> 1:14:31.360 Sure, yes, as a researcher. 1:14:31.720 --> 1:14:35.000 Yeah, So I was born in Resident Palestine and Gaza 1:14:35.240 --> 1:14:38.920 and Ralphah and my family moved here when I was 1:14:38.920 --> 1:14:42.280 a kid and became naturalized so American citizen when I 1:14:42.360 --> 1:14:44.559 was ten years old. So that was in the mid nineties, 1:14:45.160 --> 1:14:48.360 and you know, went to college right after nine to eleven, 1:14:48.760 --> 1:14:52.600 and like lots of people, was galvanized around that experience. 1:14:52.720 --> 1:14:55.400 I think it was a pier. Was so a journalist 1:14:55.479 --> 1:14:57.680 both in Bede Lutin and Cairo, and often you'd meet 1:14:57.760 --> 1:15:02.040 American journalists roughly of my generation, and all of them 1:15:02.080 --> 1:15:04.680 would indicate that, you know, I became engaged around the 1:15:04.680 --> 1:15:07.840 Middle East because of nine to eleven. I think nine 1:15:07.840 --> 1:15:12.280 to eleven was four our generation, a big learning opportunity 1:15:12.360 --> 1:15:15.600 for people. The global war on terror, the war in 1:15:15.680 --> 1:15:20.479 Iraq galvanized a lot of the left, and I'm thinking 1:15:20.560 --> 1:15:22.600 now of move on dot org, and so this is 1:15:22.640 --> 1:15:25.120 really the environment that I grew up in. Today, I 1:15:25.479 --> 1:15:29.680 mostly work with The Guardian with the Nation mostly right 1:15:29.720 --> 1:15:32.759 about Palestine, Israel and American foreign policy. And as you mentioned, 1:15:32.760 --> 1:15:34.840 I'm a fellow at the Foundation for Middle East Peace, 1:15:36.040 --> 1:15:40.240 where I host a podcast, Occupied Thoughts, where we spend 1:15:40.280 --> 1:15:44.200 a lot of time thinking through policy matters related to Palisigan. 1:15:44.960 --> 1:15:47.240 I have ideas about how things have changed, but that's 1:15:47.360 --> 1:15:49.120 just a quick introduction. 1:15:49.160 --> 1:15:50.120 To me and my work. 1:15:50.680 --> 1:15:54.360 No, thank you, we're approximately the same age. I won't 1:15:54.360 --> 1:15:55.560 tell you exactly. 1:15:56.240 --> 1:15:59.920 How often, but yeah, I just I'm reflecting so much 1:16:00.200 --> 1:16:04.000 these days on how much the War on Terror was 1:16:04.040 --> 1:16:08.959 a formative moment politically for our generation, and its interaction 1:16:09.160 --> 1:16:13.160 with the Postinian issue. I think that's starting to really 1:16:13.200 --> 1:16:15.720 be understood more widely. I think maybe it was more 1:16:15.800 --> 1:16:20.040 fringe or like a very select kind of understanding of 1:16:20.120 --> 1:16:22.720 the left would have that kind of analysis for sure. 1:16:23.040 --> 1:16:24.760 Just to put a fine point on it, I mean 1:16:24.840 --> 1:16:27.559 that was the I would say generational awareness that we've 1:16:27.560 --> 1:16:30.200 been lied to. We've been lied to by Dick Cheney, 1:16:30.240 --> 1:16:33.360 George Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, all of that cohort those people. 1:16:34.120 --> 1:16:36.200 You can see how that's rebounded today in Maine with 1:16:36.320 --> 1:16:40.880 Graham Plattner, somebody who fought two or three tours and 1:16:41.000 --> 1:16:46.840 then subsequently worked as a mercenary with Blackwater, was radicalized, 1:16:46.840 --> 1:16:49.080 I would say through that experience when he was watching 1:16:49.160 --> 1:16:53.360 these happy, go lucky diplomats swimming in pools in a 1:16:53.439 --> 1:16:59.400 diplomatic compound, when just outside, a savage war was being waged, 1:17:00.040 --> 1:17:03.680 an insurgency. So I would say that, you know, Palestine 1:17:03.760 --> 1:17:07.160 is so deeply interwoven. Palestine is a long history of 1:17:07.240 --> 1:17:10.360 having been lied to for people here in the United States. Domestically, 1:17:11.000 --> 1:17:12.720 that came to a head around the Iraq War. We 1:17:12.840 --> 1:17:16.240 werelied into that war. And I think you saw, you 1:17:16.400 --> 1:17:22.120 saw the way that the Biden administration particularly stuck with 1:17:22.200 --> 1:17:25.360 the playbook and alienated huge numbers of voters in twenty 1:17:25.439 --> 1:17:29.840 twenty four. So Palestine is kind of indispensal understanding how 1:17:30.040 --> 1:17:34.760 our elites in the United States have been captured by 1:17:35.080 --> 1:17:39.640 special interests, by corporatist interests, and we're beginning to see that, 1:17:39.720 --> 1:17:43.760 I think, rebound in meaningful ways. And of course, congratulations 1:17:43.920 --> 1:17:47.200 is Ron Mundani done a wonderful job. He ran an 1:17:47.200 --> 1:17:51.080 extraordinary campaign. I question, though, whether the campaign could have 1:17:51.160 --> 1:17:55.479 been successful without the awakening that occurred through two years 1:17:55.520 --> 1:17:58.960 of genocide. And what I mean by that specifically is 1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:05.080 so many of the taboos that had been enforced around identity, 1:18:05.240 --> 1:18:08.920 around good politics in America were dispensed with because those 1:18:08.960 --> 1:18:13.360 taboos were employed to suppress opposition to genocide. 1:18:13.800 --> 1:18:14.000 Yeah. 1:18:14.080 --> 1:18:16.040 No, I think you're right on the money on that. 1:18:16.400 --> 1:18:19.679 I mean, in some ways, the MAGA movement in Donald 1:18:19.720 --> 1:18:24.160 Trump also capitalized on the lies of the war on 1:18:24.320 --> 1:18:27.719 Terror two. I mean, despite the incoherence of the MAGA movement, 1:18:27.880 --> 1:18:31.120 like that was part of a rebuke of the neocons. 1:18:31.560 --> 1:18:35.280 But of course the left is, especially after two years 1:18:35.320 --> 1:18:39.120 of unspeakable genocide. I think it has led to just 1:18:39.200 --> 1:18:44.200 an articulation of how much the American foreign policy in 1:18:44.240 --> 1:18:47.240 the Middle East is. You mentioned boomerang. That's an imperial 1:18:47.280 --> 1:18:50.640 boomerang that is impacting American politics. It's also highlighted how 1:18:50.720 --> 1:18:54.200 much the elite, and public opinion is bifurcated on this. 1:18:54.840 --> 1:18:57.240 Palistin has become an issue of democracy. I don't want 1:18:57.240 --> 1:18:59.320 to put words in your mouth, but that's what I 1:18:59.360 --> 1:18:59.760 would say. 1:19:00.560 --> 1:19:03.519 No, I think that's correct. I agree with that. I mean, 1:19:03.600 --> 1:19:07.400 so Palestine went from being specifically Palestine, from being a 1:19:07.479 --> 1:19:10.719 niche issue when I was in college post colonial studies 1:19:10.760 --> 1:19:13.800 majors knew about Palestine and could integrate Palestine into an 1:19:13.840 --> 1:19:17.160 understanding of life in America, to being really part of 1:19:17.200 --> 1:19:19.280 the American story today. And I think it's apt to 1:19:19.320 --> 1:19:22.640 describe it that way. The experience of watching a genocide 1:19:23.040 --> 1:19:25.640 unfold for two years has been radicalizing for many, but 1:19:25.720 --> 1:19:29.960 it's also been enlightening in that the first question was 1:19:30.560 --> 1:19:34.439 why is this happening? The second question is why can't 1:19:34.479 --> 1:19:37.840 we stop it? Okay, Israel's an independent country, we can't 1:19:38.000 --> 1:19:41.800 control them. Fine, why are we still supporting this? And 1:19:41.960 --> 1:19:44.800 ultimately you end up going down that rabbit hole and 1:19:44.960 --> 1:19:47.200 arriving at what is this Israel lobby? What is this 1:19:47.240 --> 1:19:51.120 special interest? And so I think the degree of complicity, 1:19:51.280 --> 1:19:54.080 the way in which the Biden administration blew so much smoke, 1:19:55.040 --> 1:19:57.559 the way in which both sides of the Aisle engaged 1:19:57.600 --> 1:20:03.160 in genocide and cheered the genocide has caused the Palestine 1:20:03.200 --> 1:20:05.760 issue to become deeply interwoven with the experience of being 1:20:05.800 --> 1:20:08.519 American today. And I don't think that's an overstatement, and 1:20:08.520 --> 1:20:11.320 I think concretely it means that you need an answer 1:20:11.400 --> 1:20:14.959 to the question, Well, if you can't stand up to genocide, 1:20:15.000 --> 1:20:18.280 if you can't stand up for defenseless children in Palestine, 1:20:18.320 --> 1:20:19.600 and if you're going to lie to me about it, 1:20:19.960 --> 1:20:21.880 why would I expect you to stand up for anything 1:20:21.960 --> 1:20:24.720 meaningful as it relates to my standard of living, Say, 1:20:24.720 --> 1:20:27.200 I'm a working class person. And so it's become this 1:20:27.320 --> 1:20:29.439 litmus test, at least on the left, and I think 1:20:29.479 --> 1:20:32.360 you're saying a similar dynamic playout on the right, but 1:20:32.439 --> 1:20:35.800 for totally different reasons, right right. And it's been extraordinary 1:20:35.840 --> 1:20:37.559 to behold because I think so many of us who've 1:20:37.600 --> 1:20:41.719 been in this issue for so long, we've been marking 1:20:41.840 --> 1:20:46.280 our progress in incrementalist terms, and then suddenly things have 1:20:46.360 --> 1:20:49.080 broken wide open and the world has changed very very quickly. 1:20:49.960 --> 1:20:54.479 Yeah, from my vantage point in American academia, I mean, 1:20:55.080 --> 1:20:59.600 they might have had personal feelings about Israel Palestine, they 1:20:59.680 --> 1:21:02.479 may have had sympathies, but so few people would ever 1:21:03.040 --> 1:21:07.040 talk about the erasure of Palestine in the academy or 1:21:07.120 --> 1:21:10.560 the impact of censorship and attacks on academic freedom. But 1:21:10.720 --> 1:21:13.479 now because the Palaestinan issue is being used as this 1:21:13.600 --> 1:21:16.519 cudgel to attack higher education, like you're just a normal 1:21:17.200 --> 1:21:20.880 Joshmo like math professor, You're gonna have to care and 1:21:20.960 --> 1:21:23.320 you do. And we're seeing this very much with the 1:21:23.439 --> 1:21:26.680 mobilization of the American Association of University Professors that is 1:21:26.760 --> 1:21:32.200 not a Middle East specific organization whatsoever, but they recognize 1:21:32.280 --> 1:21:34.640 the linkages between these issues, so in the ways that 1:21:34.720 --> 1:21:38.400 Palestine is interwoven with but also has impacted so many 1:21:38.560 --> 1:21:43.639 of our current realities and the policies that we're facing 1:21:44.040 --> 1:21:46.640 by the Trump administration and the Bye administration before them. 1:21:47.040 --> 1:21:48.880 Yeah, I think it's very clear to a lot of people. 1:22:00.000 --> 1:22:01.559 So that actually brings me to one of. 1:22:01.560 --> 1:22:03.240 The main questions that I wanted to ask you, is, 1:22:03.760 --> 1:22:08.840 aside from kind of this increased awareness and the taboos 1:22:08.880 --> 1:22:11.720 that have been broken around the discussion of Palestine and 1:22:11.880 --> 1:22:15.200 its integration in American foreign policy and American domestic policy, 1:22:15.760 --> 1:22:18.640 what are some other ways that you think since the 1:22:18.760 --> 1:22:23.439 genocide began that pro Palestine organizing has changed. 1:22:23.920 --> 1:22:27.160 So the biggest thing I've seen is that the analytical 1:22:27.200 --> 1:22:30.759 frame has changed. We used to talk about foreign policy, 1:22:30.800 --> 1:22:34.120 adventurers and wars for oil, those kinds of things. Now 1:22:34.200 --> 1:22:38.080 I think the analysis is very correctly focused on empire, 1:22:38.680 --> 1:22:42.639 the way in which resources domestically, the real working class 1:22:42.720 --> 1:22:46.200 effort to build a life in the United States is 1:22:46.280 --> 1:22:52.360 subsumed by wars of really imperial overreach. The whole idea 1:22:52.400 --> 1:22:55.599 of empire for me was an antiquated one I didn't 1:22:55.640 --> 1:22:58.040 think add a whole lot of relevance today. But I 1:22:58.120 --> 1:23:01.080 think I and many others who may have thought in 1:23:01.160 --> 1:23:04.799 that way missed the point the realities that empires intact. 1:23:05.280 --> 1:23:09.719 I think that awareness that our efforts domestically are deeply, 1:23:09.800 --> 1:23:13.800 deeply intertwined with what's happening what we're doing elsewhere, is 1:23:13.840 --> 1:23:15.000 important and it's emergent. 1:23:15.160 --> 1:23:15.559 It's new. 1:23:16.000 --> 1:23:18.000 When I was in graduate school, you would hear people 1:23:18.080 --> 1:23:20.519 talk about how they're engaged with domestic policy, or people 1:23:20.600 --> 1:23:23.120 talk about their infests in foreign policy, and I was 1:23:23.160 --> 1:23:26.960 mostly interested in foreign policy. But today, to try to 1:23:27.160 --> 1:23:31.439 draw that differentiation is really meaningless. And again you see 1:23:31.479 --> 1:23:32.519 that in the race in New York. 1:23:32.760 --> 1:23:32.920 Mom. 1:23:33.000 --> 1:23:36.519 Donnie did run on affordability, he ran on a domestic 1:23:36.600 --> 1:23:40.400 policy program, but equally thirty eight percent I think of 1:23:40.520 --> 1:23:44.840 voters were heavily motivated by his foreign policy interests and 1:23:44.920 --> 1:23:49.000 his foreign policy perspectives, which, again from a policy point 1:23:49.000 --> 1:23:52.639 of view, he can't really impact, but nonetheless are supported 1:23:52.880 --> 1:23:56.000 by this idea that our taxes, what we do domestically 1:23:56.520 --> 1:23:58.920 is having a huge impact everywhere else in the world, 1:23:58.960 --> 1:24:02.600 and that American empire is sprawling and a challenge for 1:24:02.720 --> 1:24:06.559 people domestically as well. From a pure activist point of view, 1:24:06.760 --> 1:24:10.519 you know, I used to have a real belief in 1:24:11.520 --> 1:24:17.200 electoral politics that was shaken deeply through the DNC, through 1:24:17.320 --> 1:24:22.080 the grassroots effort to be heard uncommitted. Yeah, the uncommitted 1:24:22.120 --> 1:24:25.720 movement precisely. We'll see where things go. I mean, the 1:24:25.840 --> 1:24:28.240 truth is that, you know, the person who is just 1:24:28.320 --> 1:24:32.160 selected in Jersey is a typical I believe APAC Democrat, 1:24:32.800 --> 1:24:37.120 Mike Ryl. My perspective domestically is that we need to 1:24:37.200 --> 1:24:40.120 be aggressive, We need to be forceful in calling for 1:24:40.200 --> 1:24:45.200 a total reconstitution of Democratic Party, no half measures, and 1:24:45.240 --> 1:24:47.439 I think zern Mundani did a good job of illustrating 1:24:47.479 --> 1:24:48.160 what that could look like. 1:24:48.680 --> 1:24:51.400 Yeah, I mean there's always a tension in this very 1:24:51.479 --> 1:24:55.360 money captured system that we have that at certain level 1:24:55.479 --> 1:24:58.040 it doesn't really matter liberal or Republican. 1:24:58.040 --> 1:24:58.879 They are captured. 1:24:59.320 --> 1:25:01.400 But I think I think what the New York City 1:25:02.120 --> 1:25:05.280 race has demonstrated is like that can only go so far. 1:25:06.160 --> 1:25:08.640 You still need some public support, which is why of 1:25:08.680 --> 1:25:10.960 course they're going after gerrymandering and all of that. But yeah, 1:25:11.000 --> 1:25:14.680 it's an uphill battle. But I think if this democracy 1:25:14.760 --> 1:25:17.720 is to exist, we are in a better footing than 1:25:17.760 --> 1:25:20.759 we were, you know, on this discussion, I also wondering 1:25:20.840 --> 1:25:23.519 what you think of this characterization, which is that I 1:25:23.600 --> 1:25:28.000 think before this genocide, and I don't mean to create 1:25:28.040 --> 1:25:31.280 this binary, but it has been a very transformative event. 1:25:31.840 --> 1:25:34.519 Before this genocide, I think a lot of Palestinian American 1:25:35.479 --> 1:25:40.160 organizing in spaces discussed the issue of Palestine in a 1:25:40.280 --> 1:25:45.400 right spaceed approach way, so about human rights, about ending auparthide, 1:25:45.439 --> 1:25:48.200 about extending rights, and I think the framing for that 1:25:48.280 --> 1:25:50.400 has also changed. It is really a critique of settler 1:25:50.439 --> 1:25:55.800 colonialism and the legitimacy of these nation states. First of all, 1:25:55.800 --> 1:25:57.680 what do you think of that characterization on my end, 1:25:57.720 --> 1:26:00.040 but also what do you think of the tension and 1:26:00.080 --> 1:26:04.360 then that poses for the Palestinian National liberation movement that 1:26:04.520 --> 1:26:05.479 still wants a state. 1:26:05.920 --> 1:26:06.519 Yeah, you're right. 1:26:06.680 --> 1:26:09.519 The thing again, the analytic frame has shifted. We've gone 1:26:09.600 --> 1:26:14.160 from a contested conversation around nineteen sixty seven, the June 1:26:14.280 --> 1:26:18.839 War when Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan, Gosta 1:26:18.960 --> 1:26:23.040 from Egypt, Jerusalem as well from Jordan, the Goal on Heights, 1:26:23.120 --> 1:26:26.360 some Syria and a small silver of land from Lebanon 1:26:26.840 --> 1:26:29.280 to nineteen forty eight. That's what we talk about now, 1:26:29.400 --> 1:26:32.360 and that's correct, and I think for many Palestinians or 1:26:32.360 --> 1:26:35.600 Palestinian Americans that has always been the starting point of 1:26:35.600 --> 1:26:38.400 the conversation. But now we have the political legitimacy to say, 1:26:38.439 --> 1:26:42.920 wait a second, this whole state was founded upon separate 1:26:43.040 --> 1:26:47.559 and unequal on Jewish supremacy on a point of view 1:26:48.360 --> 1:26:52.040 that we reject as Americans and we should reject everywhere 1:26:52.080 --> 1:26:54.240 in the world. And so I think that's the first 1:26:55.200 --> 1:26:59.200 meaningful change that I've seen when we talk about Palestine. 1:26:59.200 --> 1:27:02.000 And then of course settle colonialism is built into that analysis. 1:27:02.720 --> 1:27:05.519 Things get a little bit different when you zoom out 1:27:05.560 --> 1:27:08.479 let me just talk about domestic I think that when 1:27:08.520 --> 1:27:11.679 you talk to people on the left, the universalist argument 1:27:11.840 --> 1:27:15.840 everybody's created equal is very, very powerful and resonant, and 1:27:15.880 --> 1:27:18.240 it's the one that I believe in. But what's happening 1:27:18.320 --> 1:27:20.519 on the right as well is an America first argument, 1:27:21.280 --> 1:27:24.000 and the word protectorate comes up repeatedly. Why are we 1:27:24.080 --> 1:27:27.880 investing so much in a protectorate? Tucker Carlston powerfully, I 1:27:27.960 --> 1:27:30.760 think for his audience, and this is probably the most 1:27:30.880 --> 1:27:34.240 influential commentator in the United States to day, but powerfully, 1:27:34.280 --> 1:27:37.760 you know, said, this country has half the size, half 1:27:37.800 --> 1:27:42.040 the economy the state of Connecticut. Why have we invested 1:27:42.120 --> 1:27:46.040 so much political capital, so much money and something which 1:27:46.080 --> 1:27:50.280 is so immaterial, especially when it pays a big negative 1:27:50.320 --> 1:27:55.160 dividend in lots of different ways. So the nativist argument 1:27:55.240 --> 1:27:58.880 is meeting the universalist argument. But the core analysis around 1:27:58.920 --> 1:28:04.320 settled colonialism, around the lack of legitimacy for a supremacist state, 1:28:04.720 --> 1:28:06.880 gives rise to both of those arguments. That access to 1:28:06.880 --> 1:28:09.800 the substrate. I would say, Palestinians who want to see 1:28:09.800 --> 1:28:12.240 a Palestinian state, and how you're going back to Palestine, 1:28:12.560 --> 1:28:15.840 I don't know what that means today. I've heard perspectives 1:28:15.880 --> 1:28:20.840 that availing ourselves of statehood as a legal construct will 1:28:20.880 --> 1:28:24.160 mean that you can now access legal frameworks to pursue 1:28:24.360 --> 1:28:28.000 justice in the courts wherever they may exist. I hope 1:28:28.040 --> 1:28:30.240 that's true. Let's see what works out. I think there 1:28:30.280 --> 1:28:33.400 are people who are trying to take Israeli men dual 1:28:33.520 --> 1:28:36.679 nationals who participated in the genocide to court in France. 1:28:36.760 --> 1:28:40.400 I think by using some of the some of the 1:28:40.520 --> 1:28:44.439 laws that exists between recognized states and non states, or 1:28:44.560 --> 1:28:47.599 maybe the UK. Let's see if robber meets road there. 1:28:47.880 --> 1:28:51.800 I support those tactics, but practically, when you're talking about 1:28:52.080 --> 1:28:56.600 Palestinian liberation, I don't believe that a state which has 1:28:56.640 --> 1:28:58.519 been colonized out of existence and you kind of have 1:28:58.600 --> 1:29:00.479 to look at a map to see what I mean here. 1:29:00.600 --> 1:29:04.040 But the West Bank is thoroughly colonized, Gaza is still 1:29:04.080 --> 1:29:07.679 occupied by the Israelis and will likely be slowly ethnically 1:29:07.720 --> 1:29:10.559 cleansed over time and not rebuilt. I fail to see 1:29:10.600 --> 1:29:14.400 how a state illegal construct is going to yield real 1:29:14.520 --> 1:29:17.400 benefits for the people on the ground now in Palestine. 1:29:17.720 --> 1:29:22.800 I agree, and I think that the continuation of this 1:29:23.000 --> 1:29:25.840 framework the statehood framework that a lot of our kind 1:29:25.840 --> 1:29:29.519 of political elites in the Palestinian landscape continue to use, 1:29:30.160 --> 1:29:33.080 and a lot of these countries in the global North 1:29:33.280 --> 1:29:37.360 use also to bypass with work that actually needs to 1:29:37.400 --> 1:29:38.920 be done after a genocide. 1:29:39.280 --> 1:29:41.559 It's certainly a distraction in. 1:29:41.640 --> 1:29:45.160 My view, but it also speaks to the renewal that 1:29:45.280 --> 1:29:48.719 needs to happen within Palestinian politics and within the PLO. 1:29:49.320 --> 1:29:50.880 But that's a bigger matter. 1:30:02.200 --> 1:30:04.880 My next question was going to be on the Palsine 1:30:04.880 --> 1:30:07.560 and American diaspora. In what ways do you think the 1:30:07.800 --> 1:30:13.800 passing American diaspora is alike with people in historic Palestine, 1:30:14.000 --> 1:30:16.040 with other diasporas, and in what. 1:30:16.080 --> 1:30:17.320 Ways do you think that they're unique. 1:30:18.439 --> 1:30:21.880 That's a hard question for me to answer. I think 1:30:21.960 --> 1:30:24.479 the diaspora, in the way that I've interacted with people's 1:30:24.720 --> 1:30:28.320 is diverse. What people have in common is a common 1:30:28.400 --> 1:30:32.040 reference point, the NECA. They have a common understanding around 1:30:32.600 --> 1:30:35.920 the illegitimacy of Israel as an ethno state which takes 1:30:35.960 --> 1:30:39.160 Jewish supremacy as its point of departure. But it's a 1:30:39.240 --> 1:30:42.519 very diverse diaspora. I mean, our first palacan American in 1:30:42.560 --> 1:30:44.559 Congress is justin Amash who. 1:30:44.600 --> 1:30:46.240 Is on the right. 1:30:46.400 --> 1:30:46.760 That's right. 1:30:46.800 --> 1:30:47.800 I always forget about him. 1:30:47.960 --> 1:30:50.400 Yeah, I mean he had relatives who were murdered in 1:30:50.520 --> 1:30:53.960 Visa at a church in northern Vesia, which dates back 1:30:54.000 --> 1:30:58.200 to I think the eleventh century. So we're diverse diaspora. 1:30:58.280 --> 1:31:01.400 I think the palace in diaspora in the United States 1:31:01.600 --> 1:31:05.720 is integrated. It's educated. That's the passport for lots of 1:31:05.960 --> 1:31:08.080 Palestinians around the world. Is how you get out, It's 1:31:08.080 --> 1:31:10.719 how you build alive. We have a very high literacy 1:31:10.800 --> 1:31:14.040 rate in Palestine, exceeds ninety nine point five percent. But 1:31:14.520 --> 1:31:18.320 I think where the diaspora hasn't, at least in the 1:31:18.439 --> 1:31:21.720 United States, done as effective a job. And this is 1:31:21.800 --> 1:31:25.519 kind of the natural trajectory I think of diaspora communities generally. 1:31:25.920 --> 1:31:29.400 I don't know that we're as aggressive and organized as 1:31:29.439 --> 1:31:32.080 we could be. And I want to emphasize the word aggressive, 1:31:32.880 --> 1:31:36.559 the idea that we can go out and compete at 1:31:36.600 --> 1:31:38.840 all levels of government, that we can go out and 1:31:38.920 --> 1:31:43.519 assert our understanding of history backed by facts. We should 1:31:43.520 --> 1:31:46.720 be doing more of that, especially when you look kind 1:31:46.720 --> 1:31:49.840 of across the board when it comes to people who 1:31:49.840 --> 1:31:52.280 are doing well in medicine or in business, you know, 1:31:52.360 --> 1:31:56.080 where there's been a real career risk for speaking out 1:31:56.400 --> 1:31:59.600 and for being assertive. We can do more now, and 1:32:00.120 --> 1:32:03.120 we should use the leverage game through two years of 1:32:03.200 --> 1:32:07.519 genocide the most expensive access to leverage I can imagine, 1:32:08.040 --> 1:32:09.839 to push much harder politically. 1:32:10.160 --> 1:32:11.280 Yeah, that's a very good point. 1:32:11.600 --> 1:32:16.680 I'm also wondering how well you think the Palestinian organizing 1:32:17.360 --> 1:32:21.880 groups and spaces, how well integrated are they into other 1:32:22.000 --> 1:32:23.479 activist issue areas. 1:32:24.200 --> 1:32:26.559 Yeah, I think this is where when I was in college, 1:32:26.600 --> 1:32:29.320 I didn't know the word intersectionality. That wasn't a concept 1:32:29.439 --> 1:32:32.360 that really was one that people thought about. You know, 1:32:33.200 --> 1:32:35.479 you would host an event and you would invite your friends, 1:32:35.600 --> 1:32:37.920 some of whom would be in the Black students group, 1:32:38.000 --> 1:32:39.720 some of whom would be in the Queer students group, 1:32:40.320 --> 1:32:43.800 and just regular left groups. But today I'd say that 1:32:44.040 --> 1:32:48.320 activists have a much more complete sense of how you 1:32:48.400 --> 1:32:51.959 almost have a social quilt, and a compression on one 1:32:52.479 --> 1:32:55.360 part of it will impact everything else that's related to it, 1:32:55.479 --> 1:32:58.000 and we're all interrelated in that way. I'd say that 1:32:58.400 --> 1:33:02.599 the most potent discussions around Palestine are coming from left 1:33:02.680 --> 1:33:07.240 organizing groups, not exactly Palestinian organizing groups. I think if 1:33:07.280 --> 1:33:10.439 I could offer gentle criticism of Palistine organizers, there's been 1:33:10.479 --> 1:33:13.800 too much and you sawvicely with uncommitted, too much effort 1:33:13.880 --> 1:33:19.320 to ingratiate yourselves to the existing power apparatus to ask 1:33:19.439 --> 1:33:22.800 for a seat at the table. When it's somebody like 1:33:22.920 --> 1:33:26.719 Zoron Mumdani again who demanded a seat at the table 1:33:27.080 --> 1:33:31.519 through an unrelenting focus on the issues, achieved access to 1:33:31.640 --> 1:33:35.120 a platform, then nobody wanted to seed. And I don't 1:33:35.160 --> 1:33:39.519 think that following the rules exactly or being friendly about 1:33:40.160 --> 1:33:44.479 accessing platforms within the democratic parties one yield a huge 1:33:44.520 --> 1:33:48.320 benefit to Palestinian Americans or people here. I'd say the 1:33:48.439 --> 1:33:51.960 most principled organizing is organizing that's going to win, and 1:33:52.080 --> 1:33:54.639 today that comes from non Palestinian groups, and I'm okay 1:33:54.720 --> 1:33:57.320 with that. I don't really think it matters if the 1:33:57.600 --> 1:34:01.240 best argument is coming from somebody whose family comes from 1:34:01.240 --> 1:34:04.880 South Asia through Uganda or somebody whose family emerges from 1:34:05.080 --> 1:34:08.559 you know, the Balata refugee camp, that doesn't really matter 1:34:08.640 --> 1:34:11.040 to me. I think just to focus on the principles 1:34:11.120 --> 1:34:12.040 is the most important thing. 1:34:12.479 --> 1:34:13.280 Yeah, right right. 1:34:13.720 --> 1:34:16.680 I think we're definitely seeing more of an acceptance of that. 1:34:17.320 --> 1:34:20.320 I agree with the limitations that you referenced. I also 1:34:20.439 --> 1:34:24.800 sometimes do reflect on how matched the discussion is in 1:34:24.880 --> 1:34:28.280 the United States with the discussion in historic Palestine, and 1:34:28.560 --> 1:34:31.679 what activists can do to kind of bridge some gaps 1:34:31.760 --> 1:34:34.200 that might emerge. But of course, understanding that we do 1:34:34.320 --> 1:34:36.639 exist in a different political reality and we obviously will 1:34:36.680 --> 1:34:38.280 develop different views as a result of that. 1:34:38.840 --> 1:34:41.880 I agree, and look, I mean, nobody needs to be 1:34:41.920 --> 1:34:46.679 apologetic about inhabiting a different reality. You know, we don't 1:34:46.760 --> 1:34:49.680 need to defer to a leadership which is divided and 1:34:49.760 --> 1:34:52.519 divided in Palestine and PLO that won't talk to itself, 1:34:52.960 --> 1:34:54.760 and there are structural reasons for that, right, I mean, 1:34:54.800 --> 1:34:56.839 the Israelis and the Americans have done a very effective 1:34:56.920 --> 1:34:59.800 job in splintering palaestinine leadership. I think we need to 1:35:00.240 --> 1:35:03.280 extremely locally. There are issues that matter to my community 1:35:03.320 --> 1:35:09.479 in West Philadelphia, bigger issues across Pennsylvania that impact my life, 1:35:09.560 --> 1:35:12.080 that impact my life as a father of three little girls. 1:35:12.680 --> 1:35:16.680 So I think being a member of a community and 1:35:16.800 --> 1:35:20.479 focusing again relentlessly on the principles and the fact that 1:35:20.560 --> 1:35:23.799 we've known all along is critical to pushing the conversation 1:35:23.880 --> 1:35:27.639 on palsign forward and practically today, for me, that means 1:35:27.680 --> 1:35:31.000 an arms embargo, it means sanctions, it means a cultural boycott, 1:35:31.520 --> 1:35:34.799 and it means those things unapologetically. Again, those are principal 1:35:34.920 --> 1:35:38.920 positions that I can take as an American citizen, a 1:35:39.040 --> 1:35:43.320 citizen in a country which has underwritten genocide, has underwritten 1:35:43.360 --> 1:35:44.400 apartheid for decades. 1:35:44.880 --> 1:35:45.120 Yep. 1:35:45.240 --> 1:35:49.800 I think I agree with that analysis. As the author, 1:35:49.840 --> 1:35:51.679 which we didn't mention at the beginning, as the author 1:35:51.880 --> 1:35:54.679 one of the co authors of After Zionism with Anthony Lonstein, 1:35:55.800 --> 1:35:58.360 I'm going to pose a difficult question for you now. 1:35:58.400 --> 1:36:00.400 I'm just joking, not that you have to answer fully, 1:36:00.479 --> 1:36:03.280 but where do you think we go from here? Where 1:36:03.280 --> 1:36:05.080 do you think the pro Palestine movement goes from here? 1:36:05.640 --> 1:36:07.760 And if you can reflect in your answer on where 1:36:07.800 --> 1:36:09.599 we've stalled as well. 1:36:10.600 --> 1:36:10.800 Yeah. 1:36:11.080 --> 1:36:13.719 So I used to believe in one state for everybody 1:36:13.800 --> 1:36:16.280 with equal rights. Today I think the writing is on 1:36:16.400 --> 1:36:20.439 the wall for the Palestinians in Palestine. The ethnic cleansing 1:36:20.520 --> 1:36:25.320 of Palestine is preceded the fact that has been utterly destroyed, 1:36:25.520 --> 1:36:30.200 utterly destroyed. There are no universities, no schools, no really 1:36:30.280 --> 1:36:34.320 functioning hospitals. The basic infrastructure required for the maintenance of 1:36:34.400 --> 1:36:37.360 life doesn't exist there anymore. That's part of why it's 1:36:37.400 --> 1:36:41.439 a genocide. We've got to take that reality into account. 1:36:41.720 --> 1:36:45.160 The Palestinians and Za the Palestinians and Palestine generally have 1:36:45.240 --> 1:36:47.760 the right to pursue life. They have a right to 1:36:47.800 --> 1:36:50.280 an education, they have a right to self actualization, and 1:36:50.400 --> 1:36:52.519 many of them, when they can, they're going to leave. 1:36:53.200 --> 1:36:56.640 That's the ethnic cleansing program, that's the idea behind the 1:36:56.760 --> 1:37:00.719 mass destruction of Palestine. The Israelis are sixty in that regard. 1:37:00.760 --> 1:37:03.080 I would say, we need to be mindful of that. 1:37:03.160 --> 1:37:05.080 We need to be aware of that. So what I 1:37:05.160 --> 1:37:08.200 think will happen ultimately is that you'll end up with 1:37:08.439 --> 1:37:12.759 some rump community of Palestinians in Palestine who are eventually 1:37:12.920 --> 1:37:15.240 when in arms embargoes enacted. And I hope it's within 1:37:15.320 --> 1:37:19.080 our lifetimes when the sanctions are enacted, when Israel is 1:37:19.160 --> 1:37:22.559 forced to become a normal country with equal rights for all, 1:37:23.000 --> 1:37:25.880 will continue to exist in that space. I don't know, 1:37:26.400 --> 1:37:28.800 you know, I can't predict, nobody can really predict what's 1:37:28.800 --> 1:37:32.080 certainty what's going to happen. But the kinds of pressure 1:37:32.240 --> 1:37:36.240 required to cause Israel to become a de radicalized normal 1:37:36.320 --> 1:37:41.000 society will take time to produce. And in the interim, 1:37:41.680 --> 1:37:44.240 the writing is on the wall for the Palacinians in Palestine, 1:37:44.280 --> 1:37:47.120 and I think that's the saddust for me part of 1:37:47.160 --> 1:37:51.600 all this. The continuity of Palacinian life and Palestine is 1:37:51.680 --> 1:37:58.360 not guaranteed. You know, the overwhelming force of the state 1:37:58.640 --> 1:38:01.599 exists in one place, and that's in Israel. 1:38:02.479 --> 1:38:05.599 Yeah, that's why I when a lot of people talk 1:38:05.720 --> 1:38:08.880 positively about the developments of the past two years, of 1:38:08.920 --> 1:38:11.519 course you want to feel hope. You want to highlight 1:38:12.360 --> 1:38:15.479 how the discussion has changed here in America, how politics 1:38:15.520 --> 1:38:18.920 is moving forward. You want to have some pathway. But 1:38:19.040 --> 1:38:22.720 we never were able to prevent that genocide. Nothing we 1:38:22.800 --> 1:38:26.160 did in any avenue. All of us have, you know, 1:38:26.240 --> 1:38:30.720 different positionalities, engaged with different actors, like none of it 1:38:31.400 --> 1:38:32.400 actually stopped that, and. 1:38:32.640 --> 1:38:34.599 That is a very hard pill to swallow. 1:38:35.080 --> 1:38:35.599 I hope. 1:38:35.800 --> 1:38:41.040 I've always been hoping that at least that will allow 1:38:41.160 --> 1:38:43.360 us to get to the place of self reflection about 1:38:44.120 --> 1:38:46.920 what radical solutions look like in the aftermath of this 1:38:47.080 --> 1:38:47.719 kind of disaster. 1:38:48.360 --> 1:38:50.920 And yeah, I hope that's that's where we go from here. 1:38:51.160 --> 1:38:53.800 On my end, Yeah, thank you so much, Ahmad that 1:38:53.840 --> 1:38:57.360 this has been a really enriching discussion, and I think 1:38:57.400 --> 1:39:03.080 that the listeners will benefit from this overarching view of 1:39:03.400 --> 1:39:07.320 Ptal Palace on activism and it's intersections with everything we're 1:39:07.360 --> 1:39:08.040 seeing unfold. 1:39:08.240 --> 1:39:10.479 So thank you so much again, Thank you, Donna. It's 1:39:10.520 --> 1:39:11.599 been a huge fighter. 1:39:28.600 --> 1:39:32.439 Two weeks ago, four days before Halloween, former Fox News 1:39:32.479 --> 1:39:35.920 anchor Tucker Carlson hosted the twenty seven year old white 1:39:35.960 --> 1:39:42.519 pharmacist influencer Nick Fuentes on Tucker's popular internet show. Two 1:39:42.600 --> 1:39:47.040 weeks later, this interview has over six million views on YouTube, 1:39:47.280 --> 1:39:52.240 over half million on Rumble, and eighteen million alleged views 1:39:52.400 --> 1:39:55.759 on x the Everything app with over one hundred thousand 1:39:56.040 --> 1:40:00.360 likes and twenty thousand retweets, plus the unknown number of 1:40:00.479 --> 1:40:05.360 views from podcasting platforms like Apple or Spotify, on which 1:40:05.400 --> 1:40:10.840 Tucker Carlson's show also airs. This is it could happen here. 1:40:11.360 --> 1:40:16.120 I'm Garrison Davis. Throughout the almost entirely friendly two hour interview, 1:40:16.640 --> 1:40:21.080 Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson discussed Nick's libertarian origin story, 1:40:21.320 --> 1:40:25.680 his conversion to Trump's bombastic style of populism getting a 1:40:25.760 --> 1:40:28.759 show on the Right Side Broadcast network as a teenager 1:40:29.000 --> 1:40:32.479 after a viral college debate, how the Daily Wire initially 1:40:32.520 --> 1:40:36.320 befriended then tried to quash his early political career, and 1:40:36.479 --> 1:40:40.320 how that pushed Nick to adopt a far right adversarial 1:40:40.479 --> 1:40:46.400 stance against mainstream conservatism and the gatekeepers of the conservative establishment, 1:40:47.040 --> 1:40:51.640 which Nick identified as the quote unquote Zionist Jews like 1:40:51.840 --> 1:40:57.200 Ben Shapiro, Dave Rubin, and Dennis Prager. Here's Nick and Tucker. 1:40:58.040 --> 1:41:00.960 It was these the guys that were really controlling the 1:41:01.040 --> 1:41:03.519 media apparatus that seemed to me to be the biggest 1:41:04.080 --> 1:41:05.519 impediment Fox. 1:41:05.680 --> 1:41:08.240 Fox is not a Jewish business though, well. 1:41:08.160 --> 1:41:12.800 Rupert Murdoch is an ally of Nan Yahoo, so he's aligned. Yeah, 1:41:13.040 --> 1:41:16.280 and he owns the whole news corp empire, so and yeah, 1:41:16.320 --> 1:41:17.200 he's certainly a part of it. 1:41:17.240 --> 1:41:17.519 Also. 1:41:19.840 --> 1:41:22.240 I mean Dave Rubin though, does he matter? 1:41:22.560 --> 1:41:22.600 No? 1:41:22.960 --> 1:41:25.240 No, not really right, I mean Dave Rubin is like, 1:41:25.720 --> 1:41:27.240 I don't know if do people watch Dave Rubin? 1:41:28.040 --> 1:41:28.160 Uh? 1:41:28.280 --> 1:41:30.519 They did back then. I mean, because you got to 1:41:30.560 --> 1:41:33.400 consider they were kind of like the ascendant new media. 1:41:34.080 --> 1:41:36.680 You know, they represented the next big thing. 1:41:38.680 --> 1:41:42.160 I mean and Ben Shapiro seems irrelevant to me now now, 1:41:42.400 --> 1:41:46.519 but back then for I guess that's that's true, so 1:41:46.800 --> 1:41:47.479 maybe you one. 1:41:48.360 --> 1:41:49.080 Oh, certainly. 1:41:49.800 --> 1:41:53.880 Tucker tried to advise Fuentes to focus more of his 1:41:54.080 --> 1:41:59.400 ire on Israel's influence on American politics as a foreign 1:41:59.560 --> 1:42:04.680 policy issue and not quote unquote blood guilt based on ethnicity, 1:42:05.720 --> 1:42:09.519 while Fuentes defended the necessity of his rhetoric against what 1:42:09.640 --> 1:42:13.000 he called the quote unquote unique issue of quote unquote 1:42:13.439 --> 1:42:17.799 organized Jewry that promotes a form of identity politics, linking 1:42:18.080 --> 1:42:23.160 Israel to quote Jewishness as an ethnicity, identity, and religion unquote, 1:42:23.840 --> 1:42:30.120 which makes most culturally Jewish people incompatible with America first patriotism. 1:42:31.200 --> 1:42:35.919 This is basic dual loyalty anti Semitism, which Nick continued 1:42:35.920 --> 1:42:39.479 to outline by framing Jewish people as a historically stateless 1:42:39.520 --> 1:42:43.679 people that resist assimilation and put their own interests above 1:42:43.920 --> 1:42:48.160 those of whichever non Jewish majority country they currently reside, 1:42:48.720 --> 1:42:52.040 attention which the existence of Israel now heightens. 1:42:52.360 --> 1:42:55.800 No other country has a strong identity like that. This religious, 1:42:55.840 --> 1:43:00.440 blood and soil confiction, this history of being in the diaspora, stateless, 1:43:00.600 --> 1:43:07.760 wandering persecuted, and in particular the historic animosity between the 1:43:07.840 --> 1:43:11.800 Jewish people and the Europeans. They hate the Romans because 1:43:11.840 --> 1:43:14.840 the Romans destroyed the Temple. That's why Eric Weinstein goes 1:43:14.880 --> 1:43:17.240 to the arch of Titus and gives it the finger 1:43:17.320 --> 1:43:18.120 and takes a picture. 1:43:19.360 --> 1:43:20.200 We don't think like that. 1:43:20.320 --> 1:43:22.400 As Americans and white people, we don't think about the 1:43:22.520 --> 1:43:24.360 Roman Empire in two thousand years ago. 1:43:24.600 --> 1:43:31.679 They do, right, Americans and Christians would never think about 1:43:31.960 --> 1:43:35.720 Check's notes, the Roman Empire or the events of two 1:43:35.920 --> 1:43:41.000 thousand years ago. Sure, Nick, Obviously, to many people listening 1:43:41.040 --> 1:43:45.160 to this show, Fuentes has been a known anti Semitic 1:43:45.240 --> 1:43:49.640 stream control for nearly ten years, and Tucker himself knows this. 1:43:50.479 --> 1:43:54.880 The main pushback Tucker gave Nick was on why Nick 1:43:54.960 --> 1:43:58.759 attacked other figures on the far right who were possible 1:43:58.840 --> 1:44:03.679 allies of the America First movement and America First foreign policy, 1:44:03.920 --> 1:44:08.280 like Marjorie Taylor Green, jd Vance, Joe Kent, and Tucker himself. 1:44:09.040 --> 1:44:09.920 Why attack them? 1:44:11.000 --> 1:44:14.960 Well, in short, they attacked me first. Yeah, but like 1:44:15.040 --> 1:44:18.240 who cares? Well, let's take Joe camp I mean, you 1:44:18.320 --> 1:44:19.600 attacked me constantly. 1:44:20.200 --> 1:44:23.439 Tucker also advocated framing that does not allow it. He 1:44:23.600 --> 1:44:27.680 believes to be popular America first ideas like opposition to 1:44:27.800 --> 1:44:32.160 foreign influence and dual citizenship to get subverted by leaning 1:44:32.320 --> 1:44:37.559 into accusations of hate and racial prejudice, which during the interview, 1:44:37.760 --> 1:44:41.120 Fuentes nominally agreed with some of them. 1:44:41.120 --> 1:44:43.519 I'm sorry to be a conspiracy nut. I really try 1:44:44.120 --> 1:44:46.519 not to be a conspiracy because it's embarrassing, you know. 1:44:47.280 --> 1:44:50.439 But after January sixth, then just finding out the number 1:44:50.439 --> 1:44:53.479 of FBI personnel in the crowd, it's like, and I've 1:44:53.520 --> 1:44:56.120 just seen this. David Duke is a great example. Some 1:44:56.280 --> 1:45:00.600 of these are the Charlottesville rally, had a bunch of 1:45:00.680 --> 1:45:04.320 Feds there being like we're white supremacist, we hate the blacks, 1:45:05.040 --> 1:45:05.760 the Edward whatever. 1:45:05.800 --> 1:45:05.960 You know. 1:45:06.000 --> 1:45:08.600 It's like, that's not real, Like there is some of 1:45:08.680 --> 1:45:11.960 that going on, don't you think I think that. I 1:45:12.040 --> 1:45:14.840 think that there's a lot of sincere people. Well, for sure, 1:45:15.080 --> 1:45:17.719 I completely agree, you know, and they're just non skulls. 1:45:18.320 --> 1:45:22.040 For some reason, Nick neglected to mention that he in 1:45:22.200 --> 1:45:25.840 fact was at Charlottesville, and the backlash to the Unite 1:45:25.840 --> 1:45:28.679 the Right rally forced him to drop out of college 1:45:29.360 --> 1:45:34.240 and propelled his streaming career. Throughout this whole interview, it 1:45:34.360 --> 1:45:36.720 mostly felt like Tucker was trying to act as a 1:45:36.920 --> 1:45:41.040 mentor figure to Fuentes, advising him to let go of 1:45:41.240 --> 1:45:44.479 past beefs and providing a sort of clean slate to 1:45:44.600 --> 1:45:47.840 allow Nick to present his political views in a more 1:45:47.960 --> 1:45:53.960 streamlined manner as simply anti Israel as an extension of America. First, 1:45:54.680 --> 1:45:58.320 during the interview, Tucker himself explained his motives for inviting 1:45:58.400 --> 1:45:59.679 Fuentes on the show. 1:46:00.160 --> 1:46:02.960 Do you hope that people who want to learn what's 1:46:03.000 --> 1:46:04.880 happening and who you are will watch the whole thing? 1:46:05.000 --> 1:46:07.720 It's probably naive, hope that it won't be reduced to 1:46:07.840 --> 1:46:11.320 whatever you're saying, something naughty and me laughing and see 1:46:11.320 --> 1:46:13.360 they're both Nazis. I mean, you know that's going to happen, 1:46:13.439 --> 1:46:16.160 of course, but I'm willing to take that risk because 1:46:16.479 --> 1:46:20.320 I just think it's important to know. You're clearly ascendant. 1:46:21.040 --> 1:46:23.920 You're enormously talented, and more talent than I am for 1:46:24.040 --> 1:46:27.519 sure as a talker. So and they've you know, there 1:46:27.520 --> 1:46:28.880 have been a lot of attempts to silence here and 1:46:28.880 --> 1:46:31.680 it hasn't worked. So my calculation obviously be as blun 1:46:31.760 --> 1:46:34.479 as I can be. Is like, I don't want to 1:46:34.479 --> 1:46:36.559 have fun tests on it, be like you, but you're 1:46:36.560 --> 1:46:40.000 a Nazi, just like fint does. Okay, but then I'm like, 1:46:40.160 --> 1:46:43.680 I don't think fetest is going away. Ben Shapiro tried 1:46:43.720 --> 1:46:47.600 to like strangle him in the crib in college, and 1:46:48.160 --> 1:46:51.320 now he's bigger than ever, so it probably would just 1:46:51.400 --> 1:46:53.760 be worth hearing what Nick Fuinntes thinks. I just want 1:46:53.800 --> 1:46:56.160 to be transparent about my motives here, and I. 1:46:56.160 --> 1:47:00.519 Think Tucker is right in calling Funtes ascendant. Talk more 1:47:00.560 --> 1:47:03.280 about that at the end of this episode. For the 1:47:03.360 --> 1:47:08.000 last thirty minutes of this interview, the two discussed pornography, 1:47:08.160 --> 1:47:13.839 alcohol and drugs as ruining America's young men through reality distortion, 1:47:14.439 --> 1:47:17.680 and I had a whole segment on Nick fuent As 1:47:17.760 --> 1:47:23.400 explaining to a confused Tucker Carlson the concept of internet pornography, 1:47:23.720 --> 1:47:26.599 which unfortunately I had to cut for time. But if 1:47:26.640 --> 1:47:29.000 there's enough demand for this on blue Sky or Reddit, 1:47:29.520 --> 1:47:33.479 maybe I can make a bonus episode next week. Rather 1:47:33.600 --> 1:47:37.839 than focusing on the substance of this interview in Tucker's motivation, 1:47:38.360 --> 1:47:40.800 a lot of mainstream reporting has just highlighted a few 1:47:41.160 --> 1:47:47.320 controversial sound bites like an offhand, semitrual comment about how 1:47:47.439 --> 1:47:52.120 Fuentez admires Stalin. But this interview did send shockwaves through 1:47:52.520 --> 1:47:57.519 the American conservative ecosystem, of which Fuentez was always held 1:47:57.640 --> 1:48:02.240 at a very long arms length away. In the immediate 1:48:02.320 --> 1:48:06.480 wake of the interview, references to Tucker were curiously removed 1:48:06.640 --> 1:48:11.040 from the Heritage Foundation's donor page in partnership with the 1:48:11.160 --> 1:48:15.679 Tucker Carlson Network. On October thirtieth, Heritage President Kevin Roberts 1:48:15.720 --> 1:48:20.760 released a video defending Tucker, captioned, there has been speculation 1:48:20.920 --> 1:48:23.680 that Heritage is distancing itself from Tucker Carlson over the 1:48:23.720 --> 1:48:26.160 past twenty four hours. I want to put that to 1:48:26.280 --> 1:48:27.320 rest right now. 1:48:27.760 --> 1:48:32.000 Conservatives should feel no obligation to reflexively support any foreign government, 1:48:32.400 --> 1:48:34.959 no matter how loud the pressure becomes from the globalist 1:48:35.040 --> 1:48:39.799 class or from their mouthpieces in Washington. The Heritage Foundation 1:48:40.000 --> 1:48:43.559 didn't become the intellectual backbone of the conservative movement by 1:48:43.640 --> 1:48:47.200 canceling our own people or policing the consciences of Christians, 1:48:48.000 --> 1:48:51.240 and we won't start doing that now. We will always 1:48:51.280 --> 1:48:54.720 defend our friends against the slander of bad actors who 1:48:54.800 --> 1:48:59.920 serve someone else's agenda. That includes Tucker Carlson, who remains 1:49:00.320 --> 1:49:02.960 and as I have said before, always will be a 1:49:03.000 --> 1:49:07.200 close friend of the Heritage Foundation. The venomous coalition attacking 1:49:07.320 --> 1:49:11.320 him or sewing division, their attempt to cancel him will fail. 1:49:12.280 --> 1:49:16.200 Most importantly, the American people expect us to be focusing 1:49:16.280 --> 1:49:19.720 on our political adversaries on the left, not attacking our 1:49:19.800 --> 1:49:23.640 friends on the right. I disagree with and even a 1:49:23.800 --> 1:49:28.000 poor things that Nick Fuintes says, but canceling him is 1:49:28.080 --> 1:49:31.320 not the answer either. When we disagree with the person's 1:49:31.360 --> 1:49:35.200 thoughts and opinions, we challenge those ideas and debate. And 1:49:35.320 --> 1:49:38.280 we have seen success in this approach as we continue 1:49:38.320 --> 1:49:40.679 to dismantle the vile ideas of the left. 1:49:42.520 --> 1:49:46.640 Roberts primarily framed this as an issue of cancelation and 1:49:46.800 --> 1:49:50.920 included some pretty sketchy lines in that video. Roberts also 1:49:51.000 --> 1:49:56.000 said that Heritage doesn't quote take direction from members or donors. 1:49:57.720 --> 1:50:01.559 This video was polarizing, to say the least. Nick Fuentes fans, 1:50:01.560 --> 1:50:06.680 who are called gropers and America First nationalists rejoiced and 1:50:06.920 --> 1:50:11.640 claimed victory, while many GOP establishment figures, Jewish Republicans, and 1:50:11.920 --> 1:50:16.160 many Heritage employees were left bamboozled. The New York Post 1:50:16.240 --> 1:50:20.760 published internal Heritage group chats with staff members, writing that 1:50:20.920 --> 1:50:23.760 this was quote the most embarrassed I've ever been to 1:50:23.920 --> 1:50:29.120 be a Heritage employee. It's not close end quote. I'm 1:50:29.200 --> 1:50:32.479 disgusted by this and don't understand how this premeditated and 1:50:32.760 --> 1:50:35.759 orchestrated response could come out of one of the biggest 1:50:35.840 --> 1:50:40.519 think tanks in the world. Unquote more texts read quote 1:50:41.000 --> 1:50:45.960 saying we can't cancel someone is safe space wokeism and 1:50:46.400 --> 1:50:49.479 quote if we are labeled on the same side as 1:50:49.560 --> 1:50:54.120 Nick Fuentez, then we deserve to lose. Talking with some 1:50:54.240 --> 1:50:56.160 of the interns, I think that there is a growing 1:50:56.320 --> 1:51:01.559 number of them who actually agree with Fuentez's views. Now 1:51:01.800 --> 1:51:06.280 beyond employee dissent, sources close to Heritage told The New 1:51:06.360 --> 1:51:08.599 York Post that the think tank has been quote unquote 1:51:08.840 --> 1:51:14.719 hemorrhaging Evangelical, Christian and Jewish donors. David Bernstein, the author 1:51:14.840 --> 1:51:18.840 of Woke Anti Semitism and a former member of the 1:51:19.000 --> 1:51:22.599 task force a Heritage called Project Ester, a National Strategy 1:51:22.640 --> 1:51:25.160 to combat anti Semitism, told The New York Post on 1:51:25.280 --> 1:51:28.679 November three that he had resigned from his position over 1:51:29.240 --> 1:51:33.640 Kevin Roberts's remarks citing the language of a venomous coalition 1:51:34.240 --> 1:51:39.360 aligned against Tucker. To quote Jewish Insider quote, Rabbi Yakov Mencken, 1:51:39.800 --> 1:51:43.519 executive vice president of the Coalition for Jewish Values, told 1:51:43.600 --> 1:51:46.479 Jewish Insider that Robert's message quote was the most tone 1:51:46.560 --> 1:51:49.400 deaf in both its content and timing that I've ever 1:51:49.520 --> 1:51:54.200 heard from major Washington organization on any political side. On quote, 1:51:54.840 --> 1:51:58.799 Menkin resigned from Heritage's Protrogester, the group's anti Semitism initiative, 1:51:59.120 --> 1:52:03.160 last week, sponds to Robert's video message defending Carlson. Along 1:52:03.200 --> 1:52:06.920 with Menken and Polition for Jewish Voices, several other groups 1:52:06.960 --> 1:52:11.639 have also publicly disaffiliated from Heritage's anti Semitism task force, 1:52:11.920 --> 1:52:16.679 including the National Jewish Advocacy Center, the Zionist Organization of America, 1:52:17.040 --> 1:52:22.719 and the Young Jewish Conservatives. On Halloween, Heritage president Kevin 1:52:22.800 --> 1:52:27.400 Roberts made a post summarizing a small sampling of Fuentes's 1:52:27.520 --> 1:52:31.920 most racist, anti Semitic, and pro Hitler views and said quote, 1:52:32.320 --> 1:52:35.679 our task is to confront and challenge those poisonous ideas 1:52:35.960 --> 1:52:38.640 at every turn to prevent them from taking America to 1:52:38.720 --> 1:52:42.960 a very dark place. Join us not to cancel, but 1:52:43.240 --> 1:52:47.879 to guide, challenge, and strengthen the conversation, and be confident 1:52:47.960 --> 1:52:50.639 as I am, that our best ideas at the heart 1:52:50.720 --> 1:52:54.800 of Western civilization will prevail. For those, especially young men, 1:52:54.880 --> 1:52:59.000 who are enticed by Fuentes and his acolytes online, there 1:52:59.200 --> 1:53:03.280 is a better way way. Roberts has repeatedly said that 1:53:03.360 --> 1:53:08.320 attempting to cancel Fwenttes would only grow his audience, as 1:53:08.360 --> 1:53:11.240 opposed to whatever Roberts is doing by playing foot seaes 1:53:11.320 --> 1:53:14.080 with Tucker and Fuentes, resulting in multiple news stories a 1:53:14.160 --> 1:53:18.639 day name dropping Fwenttes and massively raising his public profile. 1:53:19.040 --> 1:53:21.519 It would not invite him to a heritage event or 1:53:21.600 --> 1:53:24.080 to my show. But the point is we have to 1:53:24.200 --> 1:53:28.000 find other avenues to engage the ridiculous ideas that he's saying, 1:53:28.439 --> 1:53:32.000 rather than, as many people have called for online, that 1:53:32.160 --> 1:53:34.400 you can just shun him, that you can just ignore him, 1:53:34.439 --> 1:53:37.519 and that the problem goes away. My motivation for posting 1:53:37.560 --> 1:53:41.200 that video yesterday, especially looking ahead towards twenty twenty six 1:53:41.280 --> 1:53:44.240 and twenty twenty eight, is that we have to engage 1:53:44.280 --> 1:53:46.479 those issues if we want to build a movement. I 1:53:46.640 --> 1:53:50.160 understand that, particularly for our Jewish friends who ought to 1:53:50.240 --> 1:53:53.880 be upset about Twintest's comments about anti Semitism, that he's 1:53:54.040 --> 1:53:55.040 just anathema. 1:53:55.320 --> 1:53:56.439 I agree with that as well. 1:53:56.560 --> 1:53:58.960 But if we're going to actually correct the scourge of 1:53:59.000 --> 1:54:03.599 anti Semitism, we've got to go convince those unfortunately millions 1:54:03.680 --> 1:54:06.400 of young men who find that appealing. I do believe 1:54:06.439 --> 1:54:09.519 that they're convincible. I believe that people like you, hopefully 1:54:09.560 --> 1:54:12.120 people like us at Heritage, and even people like Tucker 1:54:12.479 --> 1:54:13.760 might be able to play a role in that. 1:54:14.479 --> 1:54:18.360 Following backlash to Kevin Roberts's initial statement, Roberts chief of 1:54:18.439 --> 1:54:22.880 staff Ryan Neuhause resigned from Heritage after being reassigned as 1:54:22.960 --> 1:54:25.920 a senior advisor in housing policy, a position sources told 1:54:26.000 --> 1:54:29.440 New York Post was the quote unquote Siberia of Heritage. 1:54:30.200 --> 1:54:36.160 Before resigning, Newhouse reposted messages defending Robert's video, including a 1:54:36.360 --> 1:54:41.080 post advocating that quote unquote virtue signaling employees at the 1:54:41.120 --> 1:54:46.320 Heritage Foundation should resign if they're so outraged by Robert's statement. 1:54:46.840 --> 1:54:51.400 During Halloween weekend, lawyer Mark Goldfetter resigned from the Heritage 1:54:51.400 --> 1:54:55.440 affiliated National Task Force to Combat Anti Semitism, writing on 1:54:55.800 --> 1:54:58.800 X the Everything app I cannot serve under someone who 1:54:58.920 --> 1:55:03.400 thinks Nazis are worth debating. On November one, Princeton University 1:55:03.400 --> 1:55:07.280 professor Robert P. George, member of the Heritage Board of Trustees, 1:55:08.040 --> 1:55:10.520 who allegedly has been attempting to oust Roberts as the 1:55:10.560 --> 1:55:12.440 head of the foundation. In the wake of this controversy, 1:55:12.880 --> 1:55:16.960 posted on x the Everything app quote American conservatism today 1:55:17.040 --> 1:55:20.120 faces a challenge. That challenge comes from those who reject 1:55:20.120 --> 1:55:23.800 our commitment to inherent an equal human dignity. They are 1:55:23.880 --> 1:55:28.200 seeking acceptance in the conservative movement and its institutions, and 1:55:28.360 --> 1:55:31.280 they do so with the ultimate objective of transforming them 1:55:31.360 --> 1:55:35.400 by undermining that commitment. I cannot accept the idea that 1:55:35.520 --> 1:55:39.680 we have no enemies to the right. The white supremacists, 1:55:39.840 --> 1:55:44.560 anti semites, the eugenicists, bigots must not be welcome into 1:55:44.680 --> 1:55:48.520 our movement or treated as normal or acceptable. 1:55:48.840 --> 1:55:51.920 Unquote. You sure about that, Robert P. 1:55:52.160 --> 1:55:58.200 George, This Conservative commitment to inherent and equal human. 1:55:58.040 --> 1:56:01.280 Dignity, you share about this? You sure about that? 1:56:02.000 --> 1:56:05.800 Surely the American Conservatives aren't restricting people's health care and 1:56:05.960 --> 1:56:09.720 pushing them off food stamps, and kidnapping and uprooting families 1:56:09.760 --> 1:56:12.880 and sending them to far off countries. Seems like all 1:56:12.960 --> 1:56:17.839 those things would breach this commitment to inherent andy equal 1:56:18.000 --> 1:56:22.000 human dignity. I never thought the leopards would eat my face, 1:56:22.400 --> 1:56:26.480 sobs Heritage Board of Trustees member who voted for the 1:56:27.000 --> 1:56:31.760 leopards eating people's faces party, We'll be right back after 1:56:31.960 --> 1:56:47.680 these ads. The conservative in fighting intensified went On November three, 1:56:47.800 --> 1:56:52.959 Monday morning, Ben Shapiro released a forty minute video captioned, 1:56:53.560 --> 1:56:56.080 no to the gropers, No to cowards like a Tucker 1:56:56.120 --> 1:56:59.640 Carlson who normalized their trash, No to those who championed them, 1:56:59.680 --> 1:57:03.320 noted demoralization, note a bigger tree and anti meritocratic horseshit. 1:57:03.760 --> 1:57:05.160 No to anti Americanism. 1:57:05.680 --> 1:57:09.560 No, that fragmentation is being caused purposefully by a splinter 1:57:09.720 --> 1:57:12.200 faction of people led by a young man named Nick Flintes. 1:57:12.560 --> 1:57:15.360 They call themselves the Groupers. They are white supremacists. They 1:57:15.360 --> 1:57:19.000 hate women, Jews, Hindus, many types of Christians, brown, people 1:57:19.040 --> 1:57:22.160 of a wide variety of backgrounds, Blacks, America's foreign policy, 1:57:22.200 --> 1:57:26.240 and America's constitution. They admire Hitler and Stalin, and that 1:57:26.320 --> 1:57:29.600 splinter faction is now being facilitated and normalized within the 1:57:29.720 --> 1:57:34.000 mainstream Republican Party. The main agent in that normalization is 1:57:34.080 --> 1:57:37.960 Tucker Carlson, who is an intellectual coward, a dishonest interlocutor, 1:57:38.280 --> 1:57:42.240 and a terrible friend. And Tucker Carlson last week was aided, 1:57:42.440 --> 1:57:46.080 a betted, celebrated for normalizing Nazism within the Republican Party 1:57:46.240 --> 1:57:49.839 by the mainstay organization of the traditional right, the Heritage Foundation. 1:57:50.440 --> 1:57:54.600 Shapiro then had to preface his comments by saying, quote, 1:57:54.760 --> 1:57:58.560 this is not about free speech or cancellation end quote. 1:57:58.760 --> 1:58:01.280 Criticisms of bad speech is in fact just a form 1:58:01.320 --> 1:58:04.960 of free speechuote and went on this lengthy diet tribe 1:58:05.000 --> 1:58:09.200 to explain how what he's doing isn't cancelation, which Ben 1:58:09.320 --> 1:58:13.920 defined as banning people from the social media and publishing platforms. 1:58:14.200 --> 1:58:17.720 What would be more accurately described as deplatforming, as opposed 1:58:17.760 --> 1:58:21.400 to like social cancelation, which is not something that Ben 1:58:21.560 --> 1:58:24.240 is calling for. That is not calling for deplatforming. 1:58:24.520 --> 1:58:28.240 It is not cancelation to draw moral lines between viewpoints. 1:58:28.440 --> 1:58:30.360 In fact, we used to call that one of the 1:58:30.440 --> 1:58:34.120 key aspects of conservatism. It is not cancelation to refuse 1:58:34.200 --> 1:58:37.280 to signal boost Hitler supporters like Nick Flentes. It is 1:58:37.360 --> 1:58:41.120 not cancelation to criticize Tucker Carlson for rhetorically fluffing Nick 1:58:41.160 --> 1:58:44.840 Flentes and other anti American crackpots. It's not cancelation if 1:58:44.880 --> 1:58:47.640 you urge others to stop promoting those who rhetorically fluff 1:58:47.800 --> 1:58:52.080 Nazi apologists. Those are all elements of free speech, and 1:58:52.160 --> 1:58:54.880 anyone who says differently is lying to you, and lying 1:58:54.960 --> 1:58:58.040 for the most cynical reasons to misdirect from their own 1:58:58.080 --> 1:59:01.360 defense of those Nazi apologists and their promoters. The issue 1:59:01.400 --> 1:59:03.880 here isn't that Tucker Carlson had Nick Flints on his 1:59:03.960 --> 1:59:05.600 show last week. He has ever read to do that. 1:59:05.680 --> 1:59:08.560 Of course, The issue here is that Tucker Carlson decided 1:59:08.720 --> 1:59:11.839 to normalize and fluff Nick Flantes, and that the Heritage 1:59:11.880 --> 1:59:15.640 Foundation then decided to robustly defend that performance. Those who 1:59:15.680 --> 1:59:19.320 criticize both Tucker and Heritage aren't canceling. They are quite 1:59:19.320 --> 1:59:23.080 properly drawing a moral line. Now, from Tucker Carlson's interview, 1:59:23.240 --> 1:59:25.880 you might have gathered that Flintes has some borderline views 1:59:25.960 --> 1:59:29.600 on race, a peculiar obsession with what he calls organized jeury, 1:59:30.000 --> 1:59:32.480 and a rather sad relationship with the female sex. But 1:59:32.840 --> 1:59:34.600 probably you, Kim weigh thinking that for the most part, 1:59:34.800 --> 1:59:38.360 Flintes lives on the radical edge of normality. You think 1:59:38.400 --> 1:59:41.120 that if you watch the interview. Because Tucker Carlson decided 1:59:41.280 --> 1:59:43.680 that it was important not only to host Flintes, but 1:59:43.800 --> 1:59:46.400 to smooth over his views, water them down, and make 1:59:46.480 --> 1:59:48.640 them far more palatable to a normal audience. 1:59:49.320 --> 1:59:53.480 Ben proceeded to do a ten minute Nick Fuentes clip show, 1:59:54.040 --> 1:59:56.879 playing a slick collection of some of the most defensive 1:59:56.920 --> 1:59:59.840 things Nick has said to camera, and then blamed the 2:00:00.160 --> 2:00:04.440 Left for creating the conditions that let this hatred emerge, 2:00:05.120 --> 2:00:09.560 framing Fuentes as the dialectical inverse of the hyper woke, 2:00:09.800 --> 2:00:10.840 id pole Left. 2:00:11.160 --> 2:00:12.600 And there's no doubt that Nick fuant Has has a 2:00:12.640 --> 2:00:14.960 lot of play these days. That's because the Left, by 2:00:15.040 --> 2:00:17.800 moving into a politics of anti white, anti Christian, anti 2:00:17.880 --> 2:00:22.520 male identitarianism, created its bizarro mirror image, a white, pseudo 2:00:22.600 --> 2:00:26.800 Christian in cell identitarian movement dedicated to destroying the institutions 2:00:26.880 --> 2:00:30.880 of this country and replacing Americanism with something else. Nick 2:00:30.920 --> 2:00:33.920 Flint's philosophy is not fully formed. It's an incoherent stew 2:00:33.960 --> 2:00:34.560 of malignity. 2:00:35.240 --> 2:00:38.600 The left did not create Nick Fuentes. He is the 2:00:38.800 --> 2:00:43.320 direct product of the right wing content ecosystem that Shapiro 2:00:43.600 --> 2:00:49.080 himself trailblazed. It's Ben Shapiro, but taken even further with 2:00:49.280 --> 2:00:54.440 post ironic gen Z brainwrot. Even if Fuentes himself has 2:00:54.520 --> 2:00:58.200 been banned from many of the big tent conservative events, 2:00:58.640 --> 2:01:02.480 his idea is still festered, spread under the radar, and 2:01:02.760 --> 2:01:07.160 influenced the further radicalization of other right wing commentators so 2:01:07.240 --> 2:01:10.960 that they could better compete with Fuentes. Tucker himself was 2:01:11.000 --> 2:01:14.840 a part of this. The twenty nineteen quote unquote Groper War, 2:01:15.560 --> 2:01:18.680 in which Nick Fuentes deployed his fans to disrupt turning 2:01:18.760 --> 2:01:22.360 Point usa Q and A events with leading questions, pressured 2:01:22.600 --> 2:01:26.120 Charlie Kirk to adopt viewpoints further and further to the right, 2:01:26.640 --> 2:01:30.960 specifically on race and immigration and now the White Great 2:01:31.040 --> 2:01:36.520 replacement is basically a mainstream conservative viewpoint, and Fuentes played 2:01:36.560 --> 2:01:40.880 a huge part in that. This is in fact your problem, Ben. 2:01:42.080 --> 2:01:45.080 For the rest of this forty minute video, Shapiro directed 2:01:45.120 --> 2:01:49.040 his attention to Tucker Carlson, criticizing his defense of Russia 2:01:49.160 --> 2:01:54.600 and multi polar views. Tucker's pro dictator comments, populist criticism 2:01:54.640 --> 2:02:00.360 of Trump, and sort of dodgy anti Israel statements. Shapiro 2:02:00.560 --> 2:02:03.600 highlighted comments Tucker made during the Fuentez interview where he 2:02:03.760 --> 2:02:08.000 lampooned high profile Republicans and neocons who have been quote 2:02:08.040 --> 2:02:12.800 unquote seized by the pro Israel quote unquote brain virus, 2:02:13.320 --> 2:02:17.960 with Tucker claiming that he dislikes Christian Zionists quote more 2:02:18.080 --> 2:02:24.320 than anybody unquote because it's Christian heresy. Shapiro described the 2:02:24.440 --> 2:02:29.080 function of Tucker's current online platform as a safe space 2:02:29.240 --> 2:02:34.080 to bring on conspiracy theorists, fringe figures, alternative historians, and 2:02:34.360 --> 2:02:38.680 those just outside the overt window to then quote unquote 2:02:38.920 --> 2:02:42.280 gloss them. As Shapiro says, it's not about building a 2:02:42.400 --> 2:02:45.960 radicalization pipeline out of the mainstream, but bringing the actual 2:02:46.120 --> 2:02:48.720 radical ideas to the mainstream. 2:02:49.360 --> 2:02:53.920 Tucker Carlson act as an ideological launderer for other people's evils. 2:02:54.400 --> 2:02:58.240 Tucker Carlson says many inflammatory things, always buying back just 2:02:58.480 --> 2:03:00.360 enough of it to appear as though he's not saying 2:03:00.440 --> 2:03:03.080 what he's clearly saying. He's a master of gas lighting. 2:03:03.400 --> 2:03:05.880 Tucker Carlson, for example, would never say out loud what 2:03:06.040 --> 2:03:08.360 Nick Flintes does. He wouldn't say the things many of 2:03:08.440 --> 2:03:11.160 his guests say, and so instead he acts as an 2:03:11.160 --> 2:03:15.320 ideological launderer. He takes other people's hideous ideas, he softens them, 2:03:15.520 --> 2:03:17.600 he treats them with love and care, and then he 2:03:17.640 --> 2:03:20.600 provides them with a massive signal boost. He isn't merely 2:03:20.640 --> 2:03:22.640 talking to people in good faith, of course, He's promoting 2:03:22.680 --> 2:03:24.960 certain people and ideas and attacking others. This is how 2:03:25.040 --> 2:03:28.600 Tucker Carlson's ideological laundering works. You bring your dirty, ugly 2:03:28.640 --> 2:03:31.840 ideologies to Tucker Carlson's rhetorical car wash. He mixes it 2:03:31.920 --> 2:03:34.440 with some of the fstigial respect Americans have for him 2:03:34.480 --> 2:03:37.920 from his Fox News days, and voila, hideous ideas suddenly 2:03:38.000 --> 2:03:41.400 become mainstream. And then, of course Tucker denies he said 2:03:41.440 --> 2:03:44.280 anything controversial at all. He was just asking questions, He 2:03:44.440 --> 2:03:46.800 was just interviewing people. You don't want him to cancel people, 2:03:46.840 --> 2:03:47.040 do you. 2:03:47.600 --> 2:03:52.120 Ben continued to complain about Tucker platforming Candace Owentz and 2:03:52.200 --> 2:03:57.040 her increasingly anti Semitic conspiracy theorists. Except remember it was 2:03:57.320 --> 2:04:01.600 your company that gave Candace a huge, huge platform after 2:04:01.680 --> 2:04:05.000 she left turning point end Prager you is she also 2:04:05.240 --> 2:04:09.919 a consequence of the woke left, like Fuentes is Shapiro. 2:04:10.080 --> 2:04:13.440 The call is coming from inside your own company to 2:04:13.600 --> 2:04:17.400 further demonstrate how much of this stuff is downstream from Shapiro. 2:04:18.000 --> 2:04:22.040 It's actually because of Candace that Fuentes even went on 2:04:22.280 --> 2:04:26.600 Tucker's show at all. Candace had Fuentes on her show 2:04:26.800 --> 2:04:30.280 a few months prior, and when she went on Tucker's show, 2:04:30.400 --> 2:04:34.000 she told him how great Fuentes is and argued in 2:04:34.080 --> 2:04:38.839 his defense. As for Heritage, Ben acknowledged his long standing 2:04:39.040 --> 2:04:42.240 positive relationship with the Heritage Foundation, working with him since 2:04:42.320 --> 2:04:46.080 he was just seventeen years old, and recently had Kevin 2:04:46.160 --> 2:04:49.280 Roberts on his show to promote Roberts's latest book. 2:04:49.720 --> 2:04:52.160 Which is why what Kevin Roberts did last week is 2:04:52.320 --> 2:04:55.400 tragic and awful. He put out a statement the Heritage 2:04:55.440 --> 2:04:59.000 Foundation didn't just stand by Tucker Carlson. Kevin instead said 2:04:59.080 --> 2:05:03.280 openly and repeat that Tucker Carlson can do nothing ever 2:05:03.720 --> 2:05:06.840 that will sever his relationship with the conservative movement. He 2:05:06.960 --> 2:05:10.880 said that after an in defense of Tucker's glossing of 2:05:10.960 --> 2:05:14.480 Hitler defender Nick Flentes, and he added that only members 2:05:14.520 --> 2:05:18.400 of the globalist class direct quote a venomous coalition direct 2:05:18.440 --> 2:05:22.320 quote subject to the dictates of someone else's agenda direct quote, 2:05:22.520 --> 2:05:26.720 oppose Heritage's ongoing relationship with Tucker Carlson, which means that, 2:05:26.760 --> 2:05:30.880 according to Kevin Roberts, apparently anyone opposing the ongoing mainstreaming 2:05:30.920 --> 2:05:33.760 of Tucker Carlson is acting on behalf of a foreign power. 2:05:34.680 --> 2:05:37.480 Kevin's statement is a betrayal of the Heritage Foundation's history 2:05:37.520 --> 2:05:40.800 and principles, which is presumably by both Tucker Carlson and 2:05:41.040 --> 2:05:42.080 Nick Foin, says loved It. 2:05:42.560 --> 2:05:46.600 Shapiro still expressed the need for an organization like Heritage 2:05:46.640 --> 2:05:50.320 that focuses on ideas to over personal loyalty to grifters, 2:05:50.840 --> 2:05:54.280 and expressed hope that Heritage could recover from this controversy 2:05:54.640 --> 2:05:57.600 and speak out against the quote unquote moral rot that 2:05:57.800 --> 2:06:01.520 threatens our future. But if no, Conservatives may need to 2:06:01.600 --> 2:06:05.560 look for leadership elsewhere. And the cause of this moral 2:06:05.760 --> 2:06:10.880 rot political horseshoe theory that is destroying both parties, with 2:06:11.160 --> 2:06:14.440 the GOP being eaten by radicals. 2:06:14.240 --> 2:06:16.680 Like the Democratic Party, the Republican Party is being eaten 2:06:16.920 --> 2:06:19.880 by its radicals. Many in the political class are too 2:06:19.920 --> 2:06:22.320 cowardly to stand up. Apparently they're willing to play footsie 2:06:22.360 --> 2:06:24.760 with Grouper's and hug Tucker Carlson out of fear of 2:06:24.840 --> 2:06:28.120 somehow losing support. They've been bamboozled by the lies of 2:06:28.160 --> 2:06:31.920 the ex algorithm and the TikTok metrics. The left followed 2:06:31.960 --> 2:06:34.920 its radicals to electoral hell. Apparently many on the right 2:06:35.000 --> 2:06:37.920 wish to do the same. Forget the morality, then, for 2:06:38.120 --> 2:06:40.480 just a moment, let's be pragmatic. Here is the thing. 2:06:41.040 --> 2:06:45.880 Americans hate Nick Flents' philosophy. They think it's trash. Republicans, 2:06:46.000 --> 2:06:49.280 by the polling, think it's trash. Independence think it's trash. 2:06:49.480 --> 2:06:53.480 Democrats think it's trash. And here's the other thing. Americans 2:06:53.680 --> 2:06:57.960 hate Tucker Carlson's wandered anti americanism. Republicans think it's trash, 2:06:58.120 --> 2:07:01.880 Independents think it's trash, Democrats think it trash. Americans are 2:07:01.960 --> 2:07:06.280 not pro segregation, pro rape, anti woman, pro child marriage, 2:07:06.360 --> 2:07:10.000 anti black, anti Jew, anti Indian, anti Latino, anti constitution, 2:07:10.120 --> 2:07:12.080 pro hitler nut jobs like Nickquantas. 2:07:12.360 --> 2:07:14.040 You might want to tell that to I don't know, 2:07:14.280 --> 2:07:19.400 Stephen Miller, Ben and like maybe half your employees Here's 2:07:19.640 --> 2:07:24.520 Matt Walsh's own description for his most recent Daily Wire 2:07:24.760 --> 2:07:29.880 podcast episode, quote, Smali tribal conflict has made its way 2:07:30.000 --> 2:07:34.440 into multiple American states. A man is arrested for shouting 2:07:34.920 --> 2:07:39.440 f the Jews at Dave Portnoy. Meanwhile, ANTIFO riots with 2:07:39.560 --> 2:07:47.480 no consequence. White liberal radio host kisses Jasmine Crockett's feet, Ben, 2:07:48.000 --> 2:07:51.640 the call is coming from inside the Daily Wire House. 2:07:51.880 --> 2:07:54.480 If Republicans decide to cower before the likes of neo 2:07:54.600 --> 2:07:58.320 Nazis and their propagandizers, they deserve to lose, and they 2:07:58.360 --> 2:08:01.800 will lose. Neo Nazi and they're propagandizers are not Republicans. 2:08:01.920 --> 2:08:04.720 They're not America first, they're not Maga. They sure as 2:08:04.800 --> 2:08:08.440 hell aren't conservative. These people aren't to my right, They're 2:08:08.480 --> 2:08:12.000 not attached in any way to the fundamental principles of conservatism. 2:08:12.560 --> 2:08:15.960 I'm sorry, Ben, but they are. They are in the 2:08:16.120 --> 2:08:19.560 Mega White House, they are on TV, on Fox News. 2:08:19.600 --> 2:08:22.840 They're getting more views than you are on TikTok and 2:08:23.080 --> 2:08:26.800 fucking rumble. Many have either worked for you or still 2:08:27.000 --> 2:08:30.920 work for you, and you've been completely fine with all 2:08:31.040 --> 2:08:35.040 of that as long as they've been sufficiently pro Israel. 2:08:35.840 --> 2:08:40.840 Here's a Ben Shapiro tweet from September seventeenth, twenty fifteen, 2:08:41.920 --> 2:08:47.120 and Culture tweets read Jews awful, nonsensical, and Culture is 2:08:47.200 --> 2:08:51.360 also super pro Israel and has always been so I 2:08:51.440 --> 2:08:55.000 won't lose sleep. I never thought the leopards would eat 2:08:55.160 --> 2:08:59.520 my face, sobs conservative podcaster who voted for the leopards 2:08:59.600 --> 2:09:04.320 eating people's faces party. The same day, Shapiro released this 2:09:04.520 --> 2:09:09.480 forty minute video, Matt Walsh posted quote, Hat Buchanan didn't 2:09:09.800 --> 2:09:13.600 just have good ideas, he was right about almost everything. 2:09:14.000 --> 2:09:18.160 He's the most vindicated political figure of our lifetime. 2:09:19.040 --> 2:09:19.560 Unquote. 2:09:20.440 --> 2:09:22.520 If you want a fun, little ten minute side quest, 2:09:22.600 --> 2:09:29.520 google Hat Buchanan, Nazi, Hat Buchanan, anti Semitism. Every few months, 2:09:29.640 --> 2:09:32.240 these right wing ghouls get a harsh reminder of the 2:09:32.320 --> 2:09:36.200 world that they have conjured into being. Remember the h 2:09:36.280 --> 2:09:39.640 one B Visa debacle earlier this year, with Elon Musk 2:09:39.640 --> 2:09:43.200 and Ramaswami upset that all of their racist fans don't 2:09:43.240 --> 2:09:46.440 want to bring in immigrant workers after Elon funded a 2:09:46.520 --> 2:09:50.280 campaign about how immigrants are stealing Americans jobs. As writer 2:09:50.640 --> 2:09:53.640 John Gans put it, quote, the Geopie civil War is 2:09:53.680 --> 2:09:59.160 between the vanilla fascists and the National Socialists unquote. At 2:09:59.160 --> 2:10:03.400 the Republican You Wish Coalition fortieth anniversary summit, Congressman Randy 2:10:03.480 --> 2:10:08.720 Fine proudly announced that he canceled an upcoming event with Heritage. 2:10:09.000 --> 2:10:11.240 I was supposed to do an event with Heritage next week, 2:10:11.920 --> 2:10:12.879 I think on Wednesday. 2:10:13.120 --> 2:10:15.400 They don't know what I'm about to tell you. Right now, 2:10:15.440 --> 2:10:16.120 we're canceling it. 2:10:21.200 --> 2:10:23.800 They will have no future in my office, and I 2:10:23.880 --> 2:10:26.240 will be calling on all of my colleagues on the 2:10:26.280 --> 2:10:34.160 Republican side to do the same. If those who support 2:10:34.200 --> 2:10:36.760 Tucker Carlson want to see a venomous coalition. 2:10:36.720 --> 2:10:39.440 All they need to do is go look in the mirror. 2:10:40.240 --> 2:10:43.560 During that same speech, he boasted about. 2:10:43.360 --> 2:10:52.000 This, I've called for Zilron Mndami to be deported. The 2:10:52.120 --> 2:10:55.040 only thing I want to see him running for is 2:10:55.160 --> 2:10:59.200 his gate at JFK on the deportation flight to Uganda. 2:11:00.400 --> 2:11:04.040 First they came for the communists, Randy. I never thought 2:11:04.080 --> 2:11:07.440 the leopards would eat my face, sobs Florida congressman with 2:11:07.560 --> 2:11:12.200 Twitter pronouns listed as Hebrew slash hammer, who's a member 2:11:12.440 --> 2:11:16.839 of the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party. During the opening 2:11:17.080 --> 2:11:21.600 to the Republican Jewish Coalition event. Ted Cruz addressed this 2:11:21.800 --> 2:11:25.200 moment of fracture within the establishment right as a quote 2:11:25.240 --> 2:11:29.160 unquote time of choosing, and said that in the past 2:11:29.280 --> 2:11:32.880 six months he's quote seen more anti Semitism on the 2:11:33.040 --> 2:11:36.760 right than I had in my entire life. This is 2:11:36.840 --> 2:11:39.760 a poison, and I believe we are facing an existential 2:11:39.840 --> 2:11:44.960 crisis in our party and our country unquote. Cruz later 2:11:45.080 --> 2:11:49.000 shared a Free Press article on his comments. The CEO 2:11:49.120 --> 2:11:52.640 of the Republican Jewish Coalition, Matt Brooks, pulled Jewish Insider 2:11:52.720 --> 2:11:55.840 that he is quote appalled, offended, and disgusted that Kevin 2:11:55.920 --> 2:11:58.760 Roberts in Heritage would stand with Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes, 2:11:59.200 --> 2:12:02.280 that there would be a quotquote reassessment of our relationship 2:12:02.320 --> 2:12:07.080 with Heritage in light of this, unquote. On November third, 2:12:07.160 --> 2:12:11.400 Missouri Senator and J six's supporter Josh Hawley denounced Fuentes's 2:12:11.480 --> 2:12:14.800 rhetoric as anti Semitic, telling Jewish Insider quote, that's not 2:12:15.000 --> 2:12:19.000 who we are as Republicans, as conservatives. The question for 2:12:19.120 --> 2:12:22.400 us as conservatives is are those views going to define 2:12:22.400 --> 2:12:25.040 who we are? I think we need to say no. 2:12:25.720 --> 2:12:28.760 As a conservative, but also as a Christian, there is 2:12:28.840 --> 2:12:32.400 no place for anti Semitic hatred, tropes, any of that stuff. 2:12:33.160 --> 2:12:35.040 Do we really want to be a part of what 2:12:35.400 --> 2:12:38.200 we've seen happen on college campuses? 2:12:39.160 --> 2:12:39.760 Unquote. 2:12:40.480 --> 2:12:43.960 Senator James Langford of Oklahoma, the co chair of the 2:12:44.040 --> 2:12:47.200 Senate Anti Semitism Task Force, told a Jewish Insider that 2:12:47.360 --> 2:12:51.280 he was to quote a little surprised that Heritage jumped 2:12:51.320 --> 2:12:54.320 out in support of Carlson and Nickfuentes to say, hey, 2:12:54.840 --> 2:12:57.840 we want them in our camp after the statements that 2:12:57.920 --> 2:13:00.960 were made. Heritage could have just sat back and not 2:13:01.080 --> 2:13:04.320 said anything, but instead they chose to jump out on 2:13:04.400 --> 2:13:05.000 their side. 2:13:05.600 --> 2:13:06.280 I don't get that. 2:13:07.000 --> 2:13:07.480 Unquote. 2:13:08.320 --> 2:13:11.960 Like Ben Shapiro and Josh Holly, James Langford related this 2:13:12.120 --> 2:13:16.800 to a perceived by partisan crisis. Quote, the left has 2:13:16.840 --> 2:13:20.080 seen an implosion of their party based on anti Semitism 2:13:20.240 --> 2:13:22.840 rising in their party. I don't want to see the 2:13:22.960 --> 2:13:26.120 same thing happen on the right. What I've tried to 2:13:26.200 --> 2:13:29.040 be very clear on is that the new right is 2:13:29.160 --> 2:13:33.320 now quoting an old wrong unquote. Senator Rick Scott of 2:13:33.320 --> 2:13:36.800 Florida basically said the same thing. Quote the Democrat Party, 2:13:37.040 --> 2:13:39.680 we already have a party that's for anti Semitism and 2:13:39.840 --> 2:13:43.080 is against Israel. The Republican Party is going to stand 2:13:43.160 --> 2:13:45.560 for Israel and we're going to stand against anti Semitism. 2:13:45.600 --> 2:13:49.120 I don't think there's any question, unquote, as if the 2:13:49.200 --> 2:13:55.120 Democrat Party is against Israel. And it's astonishing to watch 2:13:55.280 --> 2:13:58.680 all of these senators cope with the results of years 2:13:58.760 --> 2:14:02.080 of watering down akas and anti Semitism to simply reflect 2:14:02.400 --> 2:14:06.800 any criticism of Israel as they're now facing of massive 2:14:06.920 --> 2:14:11.839 resurgence of genuine anti semitism from known anti Semitic actors 2:14:12.040 --> 2:14:14.800 on the right. Turns out it's way easier to police 2:14:15.160 --> 2:14:18.920 campus anti genocide protests than deal with the anti semitism 2:14:19.040 --> 2:14:23.720 spread on the massive platforms of Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson. 2:14:24.480 --> 2:14:28.600 But not all senators are worried. Lindsey Graham, while speaking 2:14:28.720 --> 2:14:32.960 at the Republican Jewish Coalition, was less worried about Tucker 2:14:33.080 --> 2:14:35.600 Fuentes and the future of the party. 2:14:36.360 --> 2:14:38.360 So I just want to say I feel good about 2:14:38.400 --> 2:14:41.680 the Republican Party. I feel good about where we're going 2:14:41.720 --> 2:14:44.400 as a nation. We're killing all the right people, and 2:14:44.440 --> 2:14:53.480 we're cutting your taxes. Trump is my favorite president. We've 2:14:53.560 --> 2:14:55.720 run out of bombs. We didn't run out of bombs 2:14:55.760 --> 2:14:56.520 in World War Two. 2:14:58.480 --> 2:15:00.600 So to those who worry about. 2:15:00.440 --> 2:15:06.680 These stupid interviews and far off places, don't worry. The 2:15:06.840 --> 2:15:09.160 Republican Party has figured it out. 2:15:09.280 --> 2:15:10.520 When it comes to Israel. 2:15:11.320 --> 2:15:15.200 We're killing all the right people here at the Leopards 2:15:15.360 --> 2:15:19.400 eating people's faces party. Surely the leopards will never eat 2:15:19.880 --> 2:15:24.440 my or my friend's faces. On the night of November three, 2:15:25.000 --> 2:15:28.480 Heritage president Kevin Roberts give a speech at Hillsdale College 2:15:28.960 --> 2:15:33.400 on anti Semitism and cancel culture. He first talked for 2:15:33.480 --> 2:15:36.600 two minutes about why he and Heritage will continue to 2:15:36.720 --> 2:15:41.800 oppose cancelation and the importance of loyalty toward friends, and 2:15:41.920 --> 2:15:44.840 defend it his previous statement by reiterating that if you 2:15:44.960 --> 2:15:48.919 have a problem with someone's quote content, issues, or ideas, 2:15:49.320 --> 2:15:52.720 then by all means go debate them unquote. But then 2:15:52.800 --> 2:15:55.839 he admitted that his mistake, which was made quote unquote 2:15:55.960 --> 2:15:59.880 with the best intentions, was focusing on the legitimate pro 2:16:00.000 --> 2:16:05.040 problem of cancelation over other problems like anti Semitism. The 2:16:05.160 --> 2:16:09.440 Roberts then immediately justified his rhetoric as an attempt to 2:16:09.560 --> 2:16:12.840 reach out to the quote unquote several million young men 2:16:13.040 --> 2:16:16.360 on the quote unquote far fringes of the right who 2:16:16.440 --> 2:16:19.280 are increasingly anti Semitic, and. 2:16:19.360 --> 2:16:23.280 Our motivation at Heritage for making that statement was to 2:16:23.360 --> 2:16:27.680 begin appealing even more than we have to those largely 2:16:27.800 --> 2:16:31.600 disaffected young men who are looking for belonging and identity 2:16:32.920 --> 2:16:34.240 by following the wrong people. 2:16:35.000 --> 2:16:38.640 This pseudo apology continues to frame this primarily as an 2:16:38.720 --> 2:16:44.359 issue of cancelation. Who is asking to cancel Tucker? Roberts 2:16:44.440 --> 2:16:47.680 acts as if there is nothing in between a lifelong 2:16:47.879 --> 2:16:53.279 endorsement and total cancelation. After Robert's comments at Hillsdale College, 2:16:53.400 --> 2:16:57.160 another member of the Heritage Anti Semitism Task Force, Attorney 2:16:57.440 --> 2:17:00.720 Ian Spear, announced that he was leaving Hairge and Post 2:17:00.800 --> 2:17:04.480 in a statement calling Robert's Hillsdale College speech a quote 2:17:04.720 --> 2:17:08.960 strategic non apology that doubles down on loyalty to Tucker. Carlson, 2:17:09.320 --> 2:17:13.039 muses about welcoming gropers and the groper curious into the movement, 2:17:13.480 --> 2:17:17.760 and continues to gaslight everyone about cancelation when that clearly 2:17:17.920 --> 2:17:23.440 isn't the issue. That same day, Tuesday, November fourth, Chris Demuth, 2:17:23.560 --> 2:17:28.240 a Heritage Distinguished Fellow, also confirmed his resignation, and an 2:17:28.280 --> 2:17:32.039 email leaped from the co chairs of the Heritage affiliated 2:17:32.560 --> 2:17:36.200 National Task Force to Combat Antisemitism sent to task Force 2:17:36.240 --> 2:17:39.240 members with a list of demands the Heritage President Kevin 2:17:39.320 --> 2:17:44.280 Roberts demands including that he delete his initial video, apologize 2:17:44.320 --> 2:17:47.480 to Jews and Christians who quote believe that Israel has 2:17:47.520 --> 2:17:50.440 a special role to play both biblically and politically unquote, 2:17:50.800 --> 2:17:55.160 a demand to condemn but not cancel Tucker Carlson's anti 2:17:55.240 --> 2:17:59.480 Semitic content and statements, and host Shabbat dinners for the 2:17:59.600 --> 2:18:04.240 Heritage interns and junior staff. To quote directly from this 2:18:04.400 --> 2:18:09.080 leaked email addressing Roberts quote, you pointed out repeatedly that 2:18:09.200 --> 2:18:12.720 we face a challenge in reaching disenfranchised young men who 2:18:12.760 --> 2:18:15.760 are caught in the spells of Nick Fuentes and others. 2:18:16.400 --> 2:18:20.360 To address this issue, specifically, we recommend hiring a visiting fellow, 2:18:20.800 --> 2:18:25.840 one who shares mainstream conservative views on Israel, Jews, and 2:18:26.000 --> 2:18:30.280 Christian Zionists, who would help identify strategies and tools to 2:18:30.440 --> 2:18:34.400 win gen Z and beyond. It is clear that there 2:18:34.480 --> 2:18:38.039 is an internal battle within the conservative movement over who 2:18:38.160 --> 2:18:41.720 is to be included. The division between no Enemy to 2:18:41.760 --> 2:18:46.800 the right versus a moral conservatism demands our attention a 2:18:46.959 --> 2:18:50.240 conference that provides some guidelines to the movement on how 2:18:50.280 --> 2:18:53.840 to best keep unity without needing to include the worst 2:18:53.920 --> 2:18:58.240 among us unquote. Two days later, the National Task Force 2:18:58.760 --> 2:19:01.880 decided to break ties with the Heritage Foundation, writing in 2:19:01.959 --> 2:19:04.560 an email that it was quote important for us to 2:19:04.680 --> 2:19:08.000 continue the work of the Task Force outside the Heritage 2:19:08.040 --> 2:19:13.400 Foundation for a season, writing at this whole incident quote 2:19:13.680 --> 2:19:17.280 exposed a serious problem within the conservative movement. 2:19:18.760 --> 2:19:21.560 It's been like this for a long time. 2:19:22.000 --> 2:19:26.200 They've just been so focused on campus activists protesting the 2:19:26.320 --> 2:19:31.160 Palestinian genocide that they've missed the festering anti semitism spreading 2:19:31.280 --> 2:19:32.200 across the right. 2:19:32.879 --> 2:19:33.240 Quote. 2:19:33.840 --> 2:19:37.279 The National task Force to Combat Anti Semitism will also 2:19:37.640 --> 2:19:41.160 now expand our work to fight the rising scourge of 2:19:41.200 --> 2:19:45.039 anti Semitism on the right, beyond our previous work combating 2:19:45.120 --> 2:19:47.520 the pro Hamas movement on the left. 2:19:48.120 --> 2:19:48.440 Quote. 2:19:49.160 --> 2:19:51.840 On November eighteenth, the Task Force will be hosting a 2:19:51.879 --> 2:19:56.000 conference in Washington on quote exposing and countering extremism and 2:19:56.040 --> 2:19:59.840 antisemitism on the right, in partnership with the Conference of 2:20:00.200 --> 2:20:04.600 Christian Presidents for Israel. It could happen here will return 2:20:04.840 --> 2:20:21.119 after these messages. At this point, Heritage went into complete 2:20:21.280 --> 2:20:26.280 damage control. Roberts apologized during a Heritage all hands meeting 2:20:26.440 --> 2:20:30.200 last Wednesday, November fifth, quote I made a mistake, and 2:20:30.240 --> 2:20:33.560 I let you down, and I let down this institution, period, 2:20:33.720 --> 2:20:34.400 full stop. 2:20:34.879 --> 2:20:35.199 Quote. 2:20:35.800 --> 2:20:38.879 Roberts claimed that it was the since resigned chief of staff, 2:20:39.000 --> 2:20:42.119 Ryan Nuhouse, who wrote the script for Robert's initial video 2:20:42.680 --> 2:20:46.720 entirely himself and lied about the script being approved by 2:20:46.760 --> 2:20:50.600 a handful of colleagues. Roberts called the use of the 2:20:50.680 --> 2:20:55.320 phrase a venomous coalition a quote unquote terrible choice of words. 2:20:56.440 --> 2:20:59.520 The Washington Free Beacon reported that Roberts said he was 2:20:59.600 --> 2:21:03.280 willing to resign, but felt a quote unquote moral obligation 2:21:04.080 --> 2:21:07.200 to repair the situation, and had told the Heritage Foundation 2:21:07.320 --> 2:21:10.240 Board of directors quote I made the mess let me 2:21:10.480 --> 2:21:14.720 clean it up. During the all hands meeting, Roberts explained 2:21:14.760 --> 2:21:17.640 that the video came to be because Heritage was under 2:21:17.720 --> 2:21:21.640 pressure to make a statement that Carlson was quote no 2:21:21.879 --> 2:21:26.160 longer part of the conservative movement. Later in this meeting, 2:21:26.360 --> 2:21:30.560 Roberts acknowledged that there could be a quote limiting principle 2:21:30.760 --> 2:21:36.600 to no cancelation. Longtime Heritage Research fellow Robert Rector went 2:21:36.760 --> 2:21:40.800 on a tie rade against Tucker and Fuentes, likening Tucker's 2:21:40.879 --> 2:21:44.760 show to stepping into a lunatic asylum, and advocated for 2:21:44.920 --> 2:21:47.960 a return of right wing cancelation. 2:21:48.320 --> 2:21:51.000 Because if you don't have boundaries on who you regard 2:21:51.120 --> 2:21:54.720 inside the movement, the movement will destroy itself and it 2:21:54.760 --> 2:21:58.120 will create a pr nightmare for everybody in it. And 2:21:58.200 --> 2:22:01.640 the boundaries that he set forth William Buckley in the 2:22:01.640 --> 2:22:06.040 early nineteen sixties were twofold. You have to expunge all 2:22:06.280 --> 2:22:07.840 anti Semitism. 2:22:07.600 --> 2:22:08.040 All of it. 2:22:08.520 --> 2:22:11.400 But that's just part of it from the conservative movement. 2:22:11.959 --> 2:22:16.279 The other is you have to expel the lunatics, Okay, 2:22:16.720 --> 2:22:20.760 the lunatics who think that Eisenhower was a communist, Okay, 2:22:21.160 --> 2:22:24.040 and a whole bunch of and we have them back now. 2:22:24.560 --> 2:22:24.840 Okay. 2:22:25.520 --> 2:22:28.640 They are both here back just the way they were 2:22:28.720 --> 2:22:32.080 in nineteen fifty nine. And we have to go back 2:22:32.160 --> 2:22:36.000 and set the general parameters. You say, oh, we don't cancel, 2:22:36.240 --> 2:22:39.720 we do cancel. Did we cancel David Duke? Yes, you 2:22:39.760 --> 2:22:41.920 don't even know who David Duke was. Probably most of you. 2:22:42.160 --> 2:22:47.080 God's say, you know yes, do we cancel the John 2:22:47.120 --> 2:22:51.960 Bird Society, Yes, okay, because they were harmful. Because if 2:22:51.959 --> 2:22:54.640 you're they're in your movement, you look like clowns. 2:22:55.400 --> 2:22:58.720 This highlights so much of my frustration around this whole 2:22:58.760 --> 2:23:01.680 controversy with all of the Conservatives at the Leopards Eating 2:23:01.720 --> 2:23:05.360 People's Faces Party trying to say that obviously the leopards 2:23:05.400 --> 2:23:07.880 who are eating people's faces aren't actually Conservatives. 2:23:08.120 --> 2:23:11.280 Despite the being part of the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party, 2:23:12.200 --> 2:23:16.600 Bircherism has achieved a near total capture of the modern 2:23:16.680 --> 2:23:20.840 day Republican Party, especially under Trump. You can't remove the 2:23:20.959 --> 2:23:24.160 John Birch Society element from the modern day Republican Party 2:23:24.200 --> 2:23:26.959 without the whole party collapsing. They won. 2:23:27.480 --> 2:23:31.880 That's what the party is now. That's what Heritage's project 2:23:32.000 --> 2:23:37.439 twenty twenty five is. Kevin Roberts responded to Rector's tirade 2:23:38.000 --> 2:23:41.560 by continuing to advocate that Heritage should attempt to bring 2:23:41.760 --> 2:23:45.320 some of Fuentes's audience into the conservative fold. 2:23:45.680 --> 2:23:48.160 But there's a segment of that audience who might be 2:23:48.280 --> 2:23:52.280 with us, and they really are not Nazis and anti Semites, 2:23:52.800 --> 2:23:55.600 then maybe we can eventually bring them into the fold. 2:23:55.640 --> 2:23:56.760 I think we have to think that way. 2:23:57.400 --> 2:24:00.000 None of these people can be allowed to distance themselves 2:24:00.400 --> 2:24:03.880 from the leopards eating people's faces party, to quote a 2:24:04.000 --> 2:24:07.879 write up from the right wing rag National Review, quote, 2:24:08.320 --> 2:24:12.039 the Heritage staff meeting exposed something of a generational divide 2:24:12.120 --> 2:24:15.400 within Heritage, as one staffer, who claimed to represent the 2:24:15.440 --> 2:24:19.120 perspective of the foundation's younger employees, said that she did 2:24:19.160 --> 2:24:21.600 not have a problem with roberts initial defense of Carlson 2:24:21.840 --> 2:24:24.600 and wanted to make sure that the viewpoints of her generation, 2:24:24.920 --> 2:24:28.440 who she said were generally more critical of Israel, would 2:24:28.440 --> 2:24:33.439 still be welcome at Heritage. Unquote, The Heritage Tucker Fuentes 2:24:33.520 --> 2:24:35.880 debacle has come in a time where the right was 2:24:36.120 --> 2:24:38.600 already in the middle of debate over how to handle 2:24:38.680 --> 2:24:43.279 infighting conservative anti cancel culture and the newly adopted principle 2:24:43.560 --> 2:24:46.879 of no enemies to the right after years of suffering 2:24:47.000 --> 2:24:50.400 from liberal led deplatforming campaigns. 2:24:50.080 --> 2:24:51.840 During the quote unquote woke era. 2:24:52.800 --> 2:24:55.280 This debate really came to a head last month after 2:24:55.440 --> 2:25:01.039 the Young Republican pro Hitler racist group chat scandal, which 2:25:01.160 --> 2:25:04.800 was subsequently brushed off by people like Matt Walsh and 2:25:05.040 --> 2:25:09.400 Vice president jd Vance, who dismissed the texts, telling people 2:25:09.440 --> 2:25:12.160 who are concerned about it to quote unquote grow up, 2:25:12.760 --> 2:25:15.880 while referring to the chat as a college group chat, 2:25:16.320 --> 2:25:20.160 calling the members kids and young boys, when the group 2:25:20.240 --> 2:25:23.280 chat in question was made up of men in their thirties. 2:25:23.560 --> 2:25:26.160 Don't put things on the internet, like, be careful with 2:25:26.280 --> 2:25:28.840 what you post. If you put something in a group chat, 2:25:29.000 --> 2:25:31.120 assume that some scumbag is going to leak it in 2:25:31.160 --> 2:25:33.000 an effort to try to cause you harm or cause 2:25:33.040 --> 2:25:36.320 your family harm. But the reality is that kids do 2:25:36.520 --> 2:25:41.400 stupid things, especially young boys. They tell edgy, offensive jokes 2:25:41.480 --> 2:25:44.320 like that's what kids do. And I really don't want 2:25:44.400 --> 2:25:46.360 us to grow up in a country where a kid 2:25:46.520 --> 2:25:50.199 telling a stupid joke, telling a very offensive, stupid joke 2:25:50.680 --> 2:25:52.920 is caused to ruin their lives. And at some point 2:25:53.040 --> 2:25:56.080 we're all going to have to say enough of this, bs. 2:25:56.520 --> 2:25:59.720 We're not going to allow the worst moment and a 2:25:59.760 --> 2:26:02.760 twenty one year old's group chat to ruin a kid's 2:26:02.800 --> 2:26:03.920 life for the rest of time. 2:26:04.200 --> 2:26:05.280 That's just not okay. 2:26:05.640 --> 2:26:07.680 Like, we live in a digital world. This stuff is 2:26:07.760 --> 2:26:10.840 now etstin stone online. We're all gonna have to say, 2:26:10.879 --> 2:26:12.840 you know what, no no, no, we're not doing this. 2:26:12.959 --> 2:26:15.920 We're not canceling kids because they do something. 2:26:15.760 --> 2:26:16.800 Stupid in a group chat. 2:26:17.160 --> 2:26:18.879 And if I have to be the person. 2:26:18.720 --> 2:26:20.760 Who carries that message forward, I'm fine with it. 2:26:21.200 --> 2:26:22.080 To quote Matt. 2:26:21.959 --> 2:26:24.520 Walsh quote, I said a few weeks ago that we 2:26:24.640 --> 2:26:27.280 all need to band together in the wake of Charlie's death, 2:26:27.600 --> 2:26:29.400 and the answer I got back from a lot of 2:26:29.440 --> 2:26:33.000 people on the right was basically, no, well, okay, then guys, 2:26:33.080 --> 2:26:35.720 we'll just lose. Instead, the left will keep the unite 2:26:35.760 --> 2:26:38.920 in front and defend their guys no matter what. Well, 2:26:39.000 --> 2:26:42.119 we keep throwing each other to the wolves at every opportunity. 2:26:42.480 --> 2:26:43.039 Great plan. 2:26:43.760 --> 2:26:47.800 The left actually wants me dead, like specifically and personally. 2:26:48.280 --> 2:26:50.600 They're the reason why I need security at my house, 2:26:50.760 --> 2:26:53.440 why I worry for my children's safety. We've had to 2:26:53.520 --> 2:26:56.280 make major changes to the way we live our daily 2:26:56.360 --> 2:26:58.960 lives to account for this danger. So when I say 2:26:59.000 --> 2:27:01.800 that I want to stop the fighting and unite against 2:27:01.879 --> 2:27:06.119 this threat, that's the context. I'm sorry if the squabbles 2:27:06.120 --> 2:27:09.640 among right wingers just kind of pale in comparison for me. 2:27:10.280 --> 2:27:12.200 If you have the luxury to care more about that, 2:27:12.760 --> 2:27:13.400 I envy you. 2:27:13.720 --> 2:27:14.440 I truly do. 2:27:15.720 --> 2:27:19.760 Last week, Magan Kelly interviewed Tucker and Shapiro across a 2:27:19.920 --> 2:27:23.320 two day event where she asked both about the possibility 2:27:23.480 --> 2:27:25.200 of uniting the Right. 2:27:25.680 --> 2:27:28.920 Is there any way that you and Ben Shapiro can 2:27:29.240 --> 2:27:32.480 actually find your way to deton. 2:27:33.000 --> 2:27:34.320 I'm not against Ben Shapiro. 2:27:34.480 --> 2:27:36.960 He did like a forty minute thing yesterday calling me 2:27:37.080 --> 2:27:39.240 dangerous and all this stuff. It's like, I didn't watch 2:27:39.320 --> 2:27:42.199 it because why, but I got a lot of texts 2:27:42.200 --> 2:27:45.119 about it, and it's like, I'm not I don't think 2:27:45.200 --> 2:27:47.320 Ben Shapiro is driving a lot of this stuff. I 2:27:47.400 --> 2:27:51.560 don't consider him like the world's greatest force for evil. 2:27:51.600 --> 2:27:53.320 I don't feel that way at all. I don't actually 2:27:53.320 --> 2:27:55.320 think about him ever. So I don't want to have 2:27:55.400 --> 2:27:57.640 a war with Ben and Shapiro. I don't know if 2:27:57.720 --> 2:28:00.720 does he really think that me doing interview in which 2:28:00.760 --> 2:28:03.280 I explained that anti Semitism is wrong to one of 2:28:03.320 --> 2:28:05.680 the lead purveyors of anti Semitism, but that somehow makes 2:28:05.720 --> 2:28:06.279 me a Nazi? 2:28:06.440 --> 2:28:07.840 Like what is the argument here? 2:28:07.879 --> 2:28:08.960 I'm gonna ask him tomorrow night. 2:28:09.240 --> 2:28:11.360 But I don't even understand what the argument is. 2:28:11.480 --> 2:28:13.480 All I know is that the Right and I've been 2:28:13.520 --> 2:28:16.680 on the right since before Ben was born, is acting 2:28:16.840 --> 2:28:20.720 like the left in such an amazingly precise way that 2:28:20.800 --> 2:28:22.520 I'm like, what the hell is going on? 2:28:24.240 --> 2:28:26.160 I agree with Tucker that the right is in fact 2:28:26.280 --> 2:28:30.240 acting life the left by again massaging its radicals in 2:28:30.360 --> 2:28:35.680 the name of some sort of faux unity sound because 2:28:36.800 --> 2:28:39.440 again I'm not again trying to turn this personal is 2:28:39.480 --> 2:28:41.439 a mistake, I know, but can it happened. 2:28:41.640 --> 2:28:45.480 During the fallout of the Tucker Fwenttes interview, far right 2:28:45.560 --> 2:28:48.720 influencer Mike Cernovich said quote, there's a lot of bad 2:28:48.800 --> 2:28:51.400 faith going on. So this is for those few of 2:28:51.480 --> 2:28:54.760 you perplexed about the reluctance of mega people to ever 2:28:55.080 --> 2:28:59.480 disavow anyone. We are old and we know it never stops, 2:29:00.040 --> 2:29:03.760 will always demand more. Hence we draw a hard line. 2:29:04.240 --> 2:29:09.720 It's not our job to be Internet cops. After trailblazing 2:29:09.760 --> 2:29:13.080 this rhetoric for the new Right, now Walsh and Vance 2:29:13.360 --> 2:29:16.120 find themselves in an uncomfortable position. 2:29:16.920 --> 2:29:17.800 Walsh due to. 2:29:17.800 --> 2:29:21.160 His employer Ben Shapiro, and Vance because of his future 2:29:21.280 --> 2:29:25.560 political prospects. In the midst of the Fuenes controversy, Walsh 2:29:25.640 --> 2:29:29.040 posted quote, we have a very short window of time 2:29:29.160 --> 2:29:32.680 where we control Congress and the White House, and we 2:29:32.840 --> 2:29:36.039 have the power to push our agenda forward. We're going 2:29:36.120 --> 2:29:39.400 to waste this window fighting with each other. We're going 2:29:39.480 --> 2:29:44.440 to squander everything. I'm furious, Honestly, I. 2:29:44.520 --> 2:29:48.320 Have just about had it with Matt Walsh. Matt, you 2:29:48.520 --> 2:29:51.520 work for this fucking guy. Whose side are you on? 2:29:51.720 --> 2:29:55.240 Already cut the shit, Matt Walsh. Every day on a show, 2:29:55.360 --> 2:29:57.600 he goes on Twitter in his show and says, this 2:29:57.800 --> 2:30:01.240 is all just gossip and drama, a gossip and drama. 2:30:01.720 --> 2:30:02.600 This is the war. 2:30:03.080 --> 2:30:05.080 Might not be the one you wanted, but this is 2:30:05.120 --> 2:30:08.760 the one that's going on. So Walsh wants to refuse 2:30:08.840 --> 2:30:11.640 himself from this and say, hey, man, I just care 2:30:11.680 --> 2:30:15.560 about America. Hey fucker, it's happening in America right now. 2:30:16.440 --> 2:30:19.800 Tucker's an American. Last I checked, this is going on here. 2:30:20.200 --> 2:30:22.640 We didn't make anti Semitism the wedge issue. 2:30:22.959 --> 2:30:23.400 They did. 2:30:24.000 --> 2:30:27.360 We didn't make fighting Israel's wars the wedge issue. 2:30:27.680 --> 2:30:28.160 They did. 2:30:28.600 --> 2:30:30.800 And Walsh wants to get on Twitter and say, I 2:30:31.000 --> 2:30:32.960 just don't want to talk about it. I just want 2:30:33.000 --> 2:30:35.720 to keep taking a paycheck from the worst of the worst. Shapiro, 2:30:36.800 --> 2:30:39.440 you gotta pick a side and nobody can let him 2:30:39.480 --> 2:30:42.920 get away with this. As long as you're America First, 2:30:43.200 --> 2:30:46.320 you need to be in his reply, saying no, Matt, 2:30:47.520 --> 2:30:48.920 you work for Ben Shapiro. 2:30:49.360 --> 2:30:55.000 Cock Vance's only statement about this debacle reads quote, the 2:30:55.200 --> 2:30:59.600 infighting is stupid. I care about my fellow citizens, particularly 2:30:59.720 --> 2:31:03.480 young Americans, being able to afford a decent life. I 2:31:03.600 --> 2:31:07.000 care about immigration and our sovereignty, and I care about 2:31:07.080 --> 2:31:11.360 establishing peace overseas so our resources can be focused at home. 2:31:12.040 --> 2:31:15.160 If you care about these things too, let's work together. 2:31:16.959 --> 2:31:20.360 Compare that to Mike Pence sharing an article critical of 2:31:20.480 --> 2:31:23.800 Fuentes by the Wall Street Journal editorial Board titled the 2:31:23.959 --> 2:31:29.000 Rights New Anti Semites. Meanwhile, Nick Fuentes is bragging that 2:31:29.200 --> 2:31:34.280 he has Vance caught in his groper squeeze, threatening to 2:31:34.360 --> 2:31:37.920 send gropers to twenty twenty eight primary states to disrupt 2:31:38.120 --> 2:31:42.360 Vince's campaign, much like the groper War of twenty nineteen 2:31:42.720 --> 2:31:44.320 targeting TPUSA. 2:31:44.840 --> 2:31:49.240 He's getting squeezed because the gropers are on the one 2:31:49.360 --> 2:31:53.280 hand saying, hey, listen, fat boy, we want America first. 2:31:53.600 --> 2:31:55.680 You want to run for president. We want to hear 2:31:55.760 --> 2:32:00.320 you say America first. And on the other side, he's 2:32:00.360 --> 2:32:05.199 got his donors, and they're saying they're horrible anti Semites. 2:32:05.280 --> 2:32:08.959 You have to disavow them. You have to forcefully condemn them. 2:32:09.560 --> 2:32:15.800 Condemned talker, Condemn the gropers. Now advance, condemns the groupers. 2:32:17.080 --> 2:32:22.640 We are deploying to Iowa. Raise your right hand. I 2:32:22.959 --> 2:32:27.720 swear I'm gonna move to Iowa and New Hampshire and 2:32:27.959 --> 2:32:32.119 Nevada and South Carolina and one primary after the next, 2:32:32.400 --> 2:32:34.880 and we will go to every town hall. We will 2:32:34.920 --> 2:32:37.040 go to every meet and greet where there's four or 2:32:37.120 --> 2:32:41.400 five people, and we will be there, and we'll do 2:32:41.520 --> 2:32:42.039 it for free. 2:32:43.400 --> 2:32:46.039 Nick has since laid out a more clear three year 2:32:46.120 --> 2:32:50.080 strategy for his fans to shape the upcoming presidential primary 2:32:50.800 --> 2:32:55.120 and infiltrate the next Republican White House. In some ways, 2:32:55.200 --> 2:32:58.200 I think Ted Cruz is right. This has been a 2:32:58.440 --> 2:33:01.720 time of choosing the only problem is that the choice 2:33:01.879 --> 2:33:06.320 has already been made. The Fuentes interview is already Tucker 2:33:06.360 --> 2:33:12.400 Carlson's fourth most popular video ever. Just two weeks after 2:33:12.480 --> 2:33:17.959 its release. Fuentes's quote tweet of Shapiro's takedown video ratioed 2:33:18.120 --> 2:33:24.560 Shapiro by one hundred and twenty thousand likes. Fuentes's last 2:33:24.879 --> 2:33:28.760 ten live streams have had an average viewership of over 2:33:29.160 --> 2:33:35.640 eight hundred thousand people on Rumble, beating Shapiro's average YouTube 2:33:35.680 --> 2:33:39.879 of you count by hundreds of thousands. The New York 2:33:39.879 --> 2:33:43.320 Times has put out seven pieces on Fuentes, both articles 2:33:43.360 --> 2:33:47.520 and opinion since the Tucker interview, plus other related news 2:33:47.560 --> 2:33:52.360 stories about Heritage and Tucker, which obviously mentioned Fuentes. Other 2:33:52.440 --> 2:33:54.840 outlets from The Wall Street Journal to The Washington Post 2:33:55.120 --> 2:33:58.960 have followed suit. CNN did a five minute and thirty 2:33:59.000 --> 2:34:02.199 second segment on the followed of the Heritage Tucker Fwent 2:34:02.360 --> 2:34:05.120 has situation and what it means for the future of 2:34:05.200 --> 2:34:08.600 the Republican Party, and has since done more segments on 2:34:08.680 --> 2:34:13.320 the issue, including one with Ben Shapiro. Multiple Twentes segments 2:34:13.440 --> 2:34:15.320 have also aired on MSNBC. 2:34:16.120 --> 2:34:19.240 Here's a sampling for once Donald Trump has remained silent 2:34:19.400 --> 2:34:21.440 on an issue, as well as Jade Vance, who is 2:34:21.480 --> 2:34:25.080 reportedly personally close to Carlson. It also has opened up 2:34:25.080 --> 2:34:28.600 an uncomfortable discussion for the GOP about what place people 2:34:28.800 --> 2:34:31.160 like Nick Fwent does have within the MAGA movement. 2:34:31.520 --> 2:34:33.960 And now to the brewing war within MAGA over the 2:34:34.040 --> 2:34:37.200 future of the American conservative movement. It comes as far 2:34:37.320 --> 2:34:40.960 right influencer Nick Fuentes recently recorded a cordial interview at 2:34:40.959 --> 2:34:43.760 the invitation of Tucker Carlson. That more than five million 2:34:43.959 --> 2:34:46.600 people have viewed the latest op ed in The Los 2:34:46.640 --> 2:34:50.080 Angeles Times by our next guest is highlighting this growing division. 2:34:50.360 --> 2:34:53.520 Contributing writer Matt Lewis contends that some Trump loyalists are 2:34:53.560 --> 2:34:58.000 now objecting to maga's quote white power element. Matt joins us, 2:34:58.040 --> 2:35:00.920 Now he's an author, columnist and conservative writer. Matt, the 2:35:00.959 --> 2:35:03.160 fact that we're even talking about a quote unquote white 2:35:03.280 --> 2:35:06.560 power element is I think concerning on its face, But 2:35:06.680 --> 2:35:09.640 this is also something that's persisted within MAGA over the 2:35:09.720 --> 2:35:12.240 course of the last ten years. I mean, I remember 2:35:12.320 --> 2:35:15.240 covering when Trump himself had dinner with Nick Fuentes at 2:35:15.280 --> 2:35:17.920 the invitation of Kanye West just a few years ago, 2:35:18.040 --> 2:35:20.040 November twenty twenty two at mar A Lago. 2:35:20.560 --> 2:35:22.360 Why was this not a conversation then? 2:35:22.440 --> 2:35:26.600 And what's changed now? Look, yeah, I think you're totally right. 2:35:26.680 --> 2:35:28.240 I mean, part of it is that Donald Trump has 2:35:28.240 --> 2:35:30.119 actually been a really good friend to Israel. 2:35:30.760 --> 2:35:33.920 I never thought the leopards would eat my face, sobs 2:35:34.120 --> 2:35:38.160 Conservative columnist who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party. 2:35:38.959 --> 2:35:42.880 Even calling Fuentes a quote unquote white power figure shows 2:35:42.959 --> 2:35:45.880 how outdated and out of touch the talking heads and 2:35:45.959 --> 2:35:50.120 many journalists are. It's not the eighties anymore, white power? 2:35:50.240 --> 2:35:54.440 What are you talking about? That's not what Fuentes is doing. 2:35:54.520 --> 2:35:57.360 If you can't recognize that, you shouldn't be talking about it. 2:35:58.160 --> 2:36:01.760 These talking heads are completely ill equipped to understand gen 2:36:01.840 --> 2:36:05.200 Z politics, or the lack thereof. We saw this in 2:36:05.320 --> 2:36:08.560 the reporting on Tyler Robinson in the past few mass 2:36:08.800 --> 2:36:12.760 killing fandom school shooters. Here's MSNBC again. 2:36:12.959 --> 2:36:16.119 According to some sources at the Heritage Foundation, a lot 2:36:16.200 --> 2:36:19.160 of their interns something like forty to fifty percent or 2:36:19.200 --> 2:36:24.440 something agree with FOI this, which is really stunning if 2:36:24.520 --> 2:36:26.360 you were around the conservative movement, let's say, in the 2:36:26.400 --> 2:36:26.880 George W. 2:36:27.040 --> 2:36:33.680 Bush era, the fucking George W. Bush era, unbelievable. Nick 2:36:33.760 --> 2:36:39.039 Fuenttes's politically vulgar obscenity is exactly what pushes his clips 2:36:39.200 --> 2:36:43.680 into people's social media feeds, cutting through the dry neo 2:36:43.800 --> 2:36:49.680 conservative boomer slop of older Republican content creators as Trump 2:36:49.800 --> 2:36:54.280 two point zero continues and Maga becomes the establishment again. 2:36:54.840 --> 2:36:58.080 It's not going to be cool to listen to Benny Johnson, 2:36:58.240 --> 2:37:01.879 whoever's hosting the New Charlie Kirk Show, or Ben Shapiro, 2:37:02.320 --> 2:37:04.440 to the extent to which listening to any of those 2:37:04.720 --> 2:37:09.560 is even still cool or counter cultural. Fuentes doesn't have 2:37:09.800 --> 2:37:13.640 this same problem. He can ride the cultural vibe shift 2:37:14.080 --> 2:37:17.280 of the twenty twenty four election and still appeal to 2:37:17.360 --> 2:37:21.000 the reactionary tendencies of some young men, but is outside 2:37:21.120 --> 2:37:25.320 enough to continue benefiting from the gen Z thirst for 2:37:25.560 --> 2:37:29.840 anti establishment populism. At the end of last month, there 2:37:29.959 --> 2:37:33.280 was a short article in The Atlantic titled the firewall 2:37:33.440 --> 2:37:38.120 against Nick Fuentes is crumbling. The white supremacist influencer is 2:37:38.360 --> 2:37:42.040 entering the MAGA mainstream, And yeah, that's correct. The tact 2:37:42.080 --> 2:37:46.880 agreement against talking about covering or platforming Nick has slowly 2:37:47.040 --> 2:37:50.960 fallen apart the past few months. Google trends graphs of 2:37:51.000 --> 2:37:55.359 search popularity has Nick Fuentes high above Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, 2:37:55.680 --> 2:38:00.560 or Canvas Owens, and considering Nick's newfound fame, he isn't 2:38:00.640 --> 2:38:03.920 trying to slow down or moderate his views to appeal 2:38:03.959 --> 2:38:06.960 to a bigger audience, and he doesn't need to. The 2:38:07.120 --> 2:38:11.119 audience is coming to him to explain why his audience 2:38:11.200 --> 2:38:14.240 is growing so much. It's not that he's gotten less 2:38:14.480 --> 2:38:19.320 ideologically dogmatic as of recent It's that the Zoomer world 2:38:19.600 --> 2:38:23.840 has caught up to the anti ideology behind Nick Fuentes, 2:38:24.320 --> 2:38:28.000 the void of animosity that animates Fuentes, which is underneath 2:38:28.120 --> 2:38:32.560 his gesturing to relics of tradition and culture to offer 2:38:32.720 --> 2:38:37.760 a north star through the grievance inspired nihilism he actually embodies. 2:38:38.360 --> 2:38:42.240 Nick Fuentes is a meme, His clips spread like a meme. 2:38:42.720 --> 2:38:46.880 His groper movement is named after a meme, and Nick 2:38:47.040 --> 2:38:50.480 is ready willing and able to seize the spotlight he 2:38:50.640 --> 2:38:55.080 has been gifted to Nick. This controversy demonstrates that the 2:38:55.240 --> 2:39:00.800 prestigious Heritage Foundation is territory ripe for groper infiltration. 2:39:01.600 --> 2:39:07.280 What this signifies is that Heritage, the accreditation institution, the 2:39:07.640 --> 2:39:14.280 brain the priestly class that promulgates the Republican dogma. If 2:39:14.400 --> 2:39:19.680 that institution says that grouperism is up for debate, it's 2:39:19.760 --> 2:39:23.920 on the table. It's not canceled. We should talk about 2:39:23.959 --> 2:39:28.000 the ideas, and we should defend the people that defend 2:39:28.080 --> 2:39:32.200 the groupers or talked to the groupers. It signifies that 2:39:32.360 --> 2:39:36.360 one that place is a safe harbor. As I said before, 2:39:37.280 --> 2:39:39.960 So a grouper could go to work at Heritage and 2:39:40.040 --> 2:39:43.440 maybe feel welcome and comfortable, and he won't be fired. 2:39:44.320 --> 2:39:46.520 And you might have a grouper at Heritage who is 2:39:46.560 --> 2:39:50.760 going to be writing a policy paper about who knows 2:39:51.400 --> 2:39:59.160 foreign policy, education, immigration. They might be considered like an expert, 2:39:59.440 --> 2:40:02.039 and maybe they'll go on to be a legislative director 2:40:02.160 --> 2:40:07.000 for a senator, and they might be writing laws for 2:40:07.120 --> 2:40:11.480 the US government. It's conceivable if the President of Heritage 2:40:11.520 --> 2:40:14.640 says Tucker is in the Big ten, then that means 2:40:14.680 --> 2:40:18.440 that Tucker and Nick fwent to sympathizers are allowed to 2:40:18.760 --> 2:40:23.400 be employed at Heritage, and thus they might be in 2:40:23.480 --> 2:40:27.560 the position to determine the dogma. They can write the doctrine. 2:40:28.320 --> 2:40:32.520 Conservative writer Rob Dreer has claimed, based on DC contacts 2:40:32.600 --> 2:40:37.040 and talking with gen Z staffers, quote, between thirty to 2:40:37.240 --> 2:40:41.119 forty percent of the Zoomers who work in official Republican 2:40:41.280 --> 2:40:46.320 Washington are fans of Nick Fuentes unquote, writing that this 2:40:46.440 --> 2:40:50.280 is emblematic of a generation quote willing to revel in 2:40:50.440 --> 2:40:54.199 transgressions such as they tear down the pillars of civilization 2:40:55.080 --> 2:40:57.000 just for the fun of seeing those who have been 2:40:57.200 --> 2:41:02.199 gate kept away breaching containment. The groper thing is real. 2:41:02.920 --> 2:41:05.640 It is not a fringe movement in that it really 2:41:05.840 --> 2:41:12.680 has infiltrated young conservative Washington networks to a significant degree unquote. 2:41:13.520 --> 2:41:18.200 After the Young Republican racist group chat story dropped, Nick 2:41:18.240 --> 2:41:22.840 Fuentez said on his show, quote, gropers are all over 2:41:23.000 --> 2:41:27.520 the government, and everyone knows that there's gropers at Harvard, 2:41:27.600 --> 2:41:31.640 There's grapers in all the Ivy League schools. I talked 2:41:31.879 --> 2:41:36.480 to all of them. There's gropers in government. There's grapers 2:41:36.680 --> 2:41:39.480 in every department, every agency. 2:41:40.040 --> 2:41:40.480 Unquote. 2:41:41.440 --> 2:41:44.960 There's no reason to believe Nick is exaggerating. This is 2:41:45.040 --> 2:41:49.480 something he has advocated his followers do for years, and 2:41:49.680 --> 2:41:53.200 stories like the Young Republican pro Hitler group chat are 2:41:53.320 --> 2:41:58.880 evidence of this. Nick Fuentez is mainstream now. Nick Fuentez 2:41:59.200 --> 2:42:04.840 is a legitimate part of the mainstream conservative movement. Even 2:42:04.879 --> 2:42:08.200 if he doesn't become the quote unquote successor to his 2:42:08.480 --> 2:42:13.600 longtime nemesis Charlie Kirk, Fuentes is already on course to 2:42:13.720 --> 2:42:16.720 be the main figure to have gained the most from 2:42:16.879 --> 2:42:22.040 Kirk's death and emerged advantageous. This has been it could 2:42:22.120 --> 2:42:22.600 happen here. 2:42:23.360 --> 2:42:24.400 See you on the other side. 2:42:44.160 --> 2:42:46.200 This is it could happen here. 2:42:46.360 --> 2:42:49.520 Executive Disorder, our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the 2:42:49.560 --> 2:42:52.040 White House, the crumbling world, and what it means for you. 2:42:52.120 --> 2:42:55.279 I'm Garrison Davis to Dame, joined by Mia Wong, James Stout, 2:42:55.480 --> 2:42:59.040 and Robert Evans. This episode, we are covering the week 2:42:59.120 --> 2:43:01.640 of November fifth to November thirteenth. 2:43:04.080 --> 2:43:05.320 That's how I feel about the week. 2:43:06.400 --> 2:43:07.480 Yeah, that's how you feel. 2:43:08.800 --> 2:43:09.039 Well. 2:43:09.440 --> 2:43:14.040 The shutdown is now over, the longest shutdown in US history. 2:43:15.040 --> 2:43:19.120 Last weekend, eight Democratic senators caved on the shutdown, approving 2:43:19.160 --> 2:43:22.359 a deal to reopen the government without extending the existing 2:43:22.440 --> 2:43:27.080 Obamacare subsidies, gaining only a promise to have a Senate 2:43:27.360 --> 2:43:32.920 floor vote on healthcare tax credits sometime in December, with 2:43:33.040 --> 2:43:35.480 no indication given that this vote would pass the Chamber 2:43:35.560 --> 2:43:38.119 and no commitment from Speaker Mike Johnson that he would 2:43:38.200 --> 2:43:42.199 hold a vote in the House. None of the Democratic 2:43:42.280 --> 2:43:45.279 senators had sided with the Republicans are up for reelection 2:43:45.560 --> 2:43:47.080 in twenty twenty six. 2:43:48.560 --> 2:43:50.920 Yeah, and I think that suggests pretty clearly that this 2:43:51.160 --> 2:43:54.000 was orchestrated in stage by the Democratic Party as a whole. 2:43:54.120 --> 2:43:57.360 You don't have Oh, we picked eight specific people you 2:43:57.480 --> 2:43:58.960 can't vote against in the next cycle. 2:43:59.200 --> 2:43:59.400 Yeah. 2:44:00.400 --> 2:44:02.800 Yeah, it was very clearly just stage managing. 2:44:02.760 --> 2:44:07.120 Specifically with the Schumer being somewhat in charge of the 2:44:07.160 --> 2:44:10.280 Senate that Democrats, who likely would have been the person 2:44:10.520 --> 2:44:14.520 orchestrating this, who himself did not vote for this deal, 2:44:14.800 --> 2:44:18.240 was able to personally vote against it despite likely being 2:44:18.360 --> 2:44:22.320 the one orchestrating this entire deal. Yeah, two of the 2:44:22.400 --> 2:44:25.480 senators who signed on are retiring at the end of 2:44:25.560 --> 2:44:29.640 their term. But even if we can't get healthcare through 2:44:29.720 --> 2:44:33.520 this shutdown bill, you know what these Democrats did did 2:44:33.680 --> 2:44:36.280 able to squeeze in there. Well, I don't know if 2:44:36.320 --> 2:44:38.800 the Democrats squeezed it in there, but it is in there. 2:44:39.440 --> 2:44:43.200 That's a Delta eight hemp THHC band which is inclusive, 2:44:43.280 --> 2:44:47.000 horrible in the Senate funding bill, absolutely awfully. 2:44:47.280 --> 2:44:50.320 Yeah, of course they did a boy hattie and the 2:44:50.400 --> 2:44:54.480 hamp industry has gotten angry about this. They're they're planning 2:44:54.520 --> 2:44:56.840 to find it in twenty twenty six. I guess we'll 2:44:56.879 --> 2:44:59.240 all see, because it takes a while to take effect. 2:44:59.320 --> 2:45:02.560 But yeah, that is Uh, there's a lot of hemp 2:45:02.720 --> 2:45:05.160 farms in Kentucky that are pissed off right now. 2:45:05.680 --> 2:45:05.880 Yep. 2:45:06.800 --> 2:45:09.160 So we can't get healthcare, but at least we also 2:45:09.320 --> 2:45:11.520 can't get health THHC. 2:45:11.920 --> 2:45:16.680 So what if there wasn't bread or circuses? What would happen? 2:45:16.760 --> 2:45:16.960 Then? 2:45:17.160 --> 2:45:21.000 Wow, we would vote for the Democrats mere because they're 2:45:21.000 --> 2:45:23.600 the least bad option. I think that's how that goes, right. 2:45:24.760 --> 2:45:26.560 I've been on Blue Sky a few times this week. 2:45:26.560 --> 2:45:27.880 I think I've got it pretty drilled in. 2:45:28.640 --> 2:45:33.320 Catherine Cortes Maestro of Nevada, Dick Dermoan of Illinois, John 2:45:33.440 --> 2:45:38.320 Fetterman of Pennsylvania, Megghie Hassan of New Hampshire, Tim Kaine 2:45:38.800 --> 2:45:41.200 of Virginia, Angus King of Maine. 2:45:41.959 --> 2:45:42.000 No. 2:45:42.200 --> 2:45:46.400 King's protest member just dropped. Katherine Cortez Mosto of Nevada, 2:45:46.879 --> 2:45:52.600 and Jan Shaheen of New Hampshire speaking of the Senate 2:45:53.480 --> 2:45:58.320 and the Oversight Committee, this whole Jeffrey Epstein things doesn't 2:45:58.360 --> 2:45:59.560 seem to be going away, does it? 2:46:00.200 --> 2:46:04.280 Man? Like you, I was a skeptic about like, could 2:46:04.320 --> 2:46:07.160 there be anything in there that's actually going to hurt Trump? 2:46:07.360 --> 2:46:09.600 If he hasn't been hurt so far by everything that 2:46:09.760 --> 2:46:10.280 is out there. 2:46:10.920 --> 2:46:12.560 And I don't know. 2:46:12.640 --> 2:46:14.240 I guess I'm still a little bit of a skeptic, 2:46:14.320 --> 2:46:16.840 but it's increasingly hard to be because like, how much? 2:46:17.640 --> 2:46:22.480 How could it be worse than this? Yeah, there's something 2:46:22.520 --> 2:46:24.400 that isn't This happened to. 2:46:24.480 --> 2:46:27.960 Be worse than Donald Trump was at Jeffrey Epstein's mansion 2:46:28.040 --> 2:46:31.200 and walked into a glass door because he was so 2:46:31.480 --> 2:46:33.040 busy oggling children. 2:46:34.879 --> 2:46:37.160 The fact that this is what they released to distract 2:46:37.200 --> 2:46:39.760 you from the stuff they don't want to release, well, there. 2:46:39.720 --> 2:46:41.840 Is one the Democrats, oh, to be fair, well both 2:46:42.400 --> 2:46:44.640 This was the emails they were able to subpoena from 2:46:44.680 --> 2:46:48.160 Jeffrey Epstein's estate as a part of the Oversight Investigation 2:46:48.480 --> 2:46:54.120 into the federal government's investigation of the Epstein files. Yesterday, 2:46:54.160 --> 2:46:58.200 the Oversec Committee released this batch of files related to 2:46:58.240 --> 2:47:01.760 the Epstein investigation, mostly of note a series of emails 2:47:01.800 --> 2:47:05.879 from about twenty eleven to twenty nineteen, including one from 2:47:06.120 --> 2:47:09.840 Epstein written to Maxwell from twenty eleven quote, I want 2:47:09.879 --> 2:47:12.199 you to realize that the dog that hasn't barked is Trump. 2:47:13.120 --> 2:47:18.400 Victim redacted named victim spent hours at my house with him. 2:47:18.800 --> 2:47:22.720 He has never once been mentioned, police chief, etc. I'm 2:47:22.840 --> 2:47:26.680 seventy five percent there unquote. In a short email exchange 2:47:26.720 --> 2:47:30.800 from December twenty eighteen, an unknown individual sent Jeffrey Epstein 2:47:30.840 --> 2:47:33.000 this message quote, it will all blow over. They're really 2:47:33.160 --> 2:47:35.720 just trying to take down Trump and doing whatever they 2:47:35.840 --> 2:47:40.760 can to do that, with Epstein replying yes, fix, thanks, 2:47:41.280 --> 2:47:44.760 it's wild because I am the one able to take 2:47:44.840 --> 2:47:47.520 him down. Whatever could he mean by that? 2:47:48.160 --> 2:47:49.680 Yeah, who knows. 2:47:51.000 --> 2:47:53.840 There's no way to tell. There's absolutely no way to tell. 2:47:54.520 --> 2:47:58.080 If you are currently in high school English class and 2:47:58.200 --> 2:47:59.840 people tell you you will not be able to make 2:47:59.840 --> 2:48:02.480 me millions of dollars if you're unable to use grammar, 2:48:02.600 --> 2:48:06.080 punctuational capital letters correctly. That that appears not to have 2:48:06.160 --> 2:48:08.040 been an impediment to Jeffrey Epstein. 2:48:08.120 --> 2:48:10.360 Jeffrey Epstein's typing style is fascinating. 2:48:10.440 --> 2:48:11.320 It's awful. 2:48:11.600 --> 2:48:15.879 Well, it's extremely distinctive, which I suppose is a valuable 2:48:15.920 --> 2:48:16.680 thing in itself. 2:48:17.160 --> 2:48:20.040 No, it's it's it's fascinating, But I mean there's a 2:48:20.120 --> 2:48:22.800 lot of different emails of note. A twenty nineteen email 2:48:23.080 --> 2:48:29.000 from Epstein to Michael Wolfe quote victim mar al Largo redacted. 2:48:29.680 --> 2:48:32.640 Trump said, he asked me to resign, never a member. 2:48:32.760 --> 2:48:32.920 Ever. 2:48:33.560 --> 2:48:36.560 Of course he knew about the girls, as he asked 2:48:36.600 --> 2:48:40.560 Glaine to stop unquote, which, by the way, the way that. 2:48:40.600 --> 2:48:42.840 I've been I've been seeing that quote passed around is 2:48:43.040 --> 2:48:46.280 just that he knew about the girl's part, which makes 2:48:46.320 --> 2:48:48.879 it a little bit technically ambiguous as to what he's 2:48:48.879 --> 2:48:51.280 talking about. But the second part being as he asked 2:48:51.400 --> 2:48:54.360 just Lane to stop. Oh, that's as blatant as it 2:48:54.400 --> 2:48:58.240 could possibly be. Right, what Epstein's saying there is really clearer. 2:48:58.879 --> 2:49:01.440 The main thing that's clear from this exchanges, at the 2:49:01.560 --> 2:49:04.440 very least, the kind to which Trump was very aware 2:49:04.959 --> 2:49:07.840 of Epstein's activities. 2:49:08.959 --> 2:49:15.720 Yeah, yeah, well, in which everyone was not just fucking 2:49:15.760 --> 2:49:20.320 Donald Trump, but like the Obama Whitehouse's chief legal counsel 2:49:20.400 --> 2:49:24.120 from twenty eleven twenty fourteen, right, who he messaged with 2:49:24.280 --> 2:49:26.960 regularly and seems to have been flirting with him, Right, 2:49:27.080 --> 2:49:29.920 she seems to have been into him. And they're all 2:49:30.040 --> 2:49:33.119 just kind of casually or he is with them casually 2:49:33.240 --> 2:49:35.560 joking about like being a pedophile. 2:49:36.240 --> 2:49:39.400 Yeah, there's emails from Steve Bannon here, who he's just 2:49:39.520 --> 2:49:43.080 chatting with like emails a peer keel at one point. 2:49:43.800 --> 2:49:47.320 The Steve benn In exchange is from twenty nineteen from 2:49:47.400 --> 2:49:53.560 Jeffrey Epstein talking about a recent state visit message Prince 2:49:53.720 --> 2:49:59.120 Andrew and Trump today too funny. Another reply from Epstein 2:50:00.120 --> 2:50:03.320 call Prince Andrew's accuser came out of mar A Lago 2:50:04.400 --> 2:50:09.200 and response from Bannon can't believe nobody's making you the 2:50:09.320 --> 2:50:16.720 connective issue Jesus Christ d wild wildly blatant stuff. In 2:50:16.840 --> 2:50:21.240 exchange from twenty fifteen from Michael Wolf to Jeffrey Epstein. 2:50:21.879 --> 2:50:24.199 I hear CNN is planning to ask Trump tonight about 2:50:24.200 --> 2:50:28.480 his relationship with you, either on air or in scrum. Afterwards, 2:50:29.240 --> 2:50:31.960 Epstein replied, if you were able to craft an answer 2:50:32.000 --> 2:50:35.000 for him, what do you think it should be? Wolf 2:50:35.120 --> 2:50:37.840 responded to that quote, I think you should let him 2:50:37.920 --> 2:50:41.520 hang himself. If he says he hasn't been on the 2:50:41.640 --> 2:50:44.160 plane or to the house, then that gives you a 2:50:44.320 --> 2:50:47.800 valuable pr and political currency. You can hang him in 2:50:47.840 --> 2:50:50.880 a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you, 2:50:51.640 --> 2:50:54.360 or if it really looks like he could win, you 2:50:54.480 --> 2:50:58.120 could save him generating a debt. Of course, it is 2:50:58.240 --> 2:51:00.400 possible that when asked, He'll say, Jeffrey's great guy and 2:51:00.440 --> 2:51:02.720 has gotten a raw deal. It's a victim of political correctness, 2:51:03.160 --> 2:51:05.600 which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime. 2:51:06.160 --> 2:51:09.199 Managin putting that in writing to a Gmail address. 2:51:09.360 --> 2:51:12.520 Gmail is fast is a fascinating choice by Epstein. 2:51:13.120 --> 2:51:14.000 Yeah right, yeah. 2:51:14.400 --> 2:51:14.600 Yeah. 2:51:15.200 --> 2:51:18.080 Also the fact that every goddamn one of these messages 2:51:18.240 --> 2:51:21.360 ends with scent on my iPad? Is is it's just 2:51:21.560 --> 2:51:25.560 constantly amusing sent to my iPhone? Yeah, there are always 2:51:25.680 --> 2:51:28.760 like two extra spaces between sentences, Like you can tell 2:51:28.840 --> 2:51:31.680 they're old people typing on iPads a lot of the 2:51:31.800 --> 2:51:34.240 time with their fucking clumsy ass fingers. 2:51:34.360 --> 2:51:34.520 Yeah. 2:51:34.560 --> 2:51:36.960 Yeah, it's beautiful. It's beautiful. 2:51:37.240 --> 2:51:38.360 Tech sa is huge. 2:51:39.240 --> 2:51:43.440 Some really disturbing exchanges from Epstein and a man named 2:51:43.520 --> 2:51:48.440 Lendon Thomas Junior, with Epstein saying would you like a 2:51:48.480 --> 2:51:51.320 photo of Donald and girls in bikinis in my kitchen? 2:51:51.560 --> 2:51:51.760 Sure? 2:51:51.879 --> 2:51:58.520 Bro, Hawaiian tropical girl Lauren Petrella. Epstein then sent a 2:51:58.640 --> 2:52:03.000 link displaying midge of a woman quote my twenty year 2:52:03.000 --> 2:52:06.320 old girlfriend in ninety three that after two years I 2:52:06.520 --> 2:52:08.520 gave to Donald unquote. 2:52:09.000 --> 2:52:11.280 One thing I want to note here is that Lennon 2:52:11.320 --> 2:52:15.880 Thomas Junior. Yeah, baby, long long time journalist at the 2:52:15.920 --> 2:52:20.040 New York Times. And he's just handed this financial journalist. Yes, 2:52:20.200 --> 2:52:22.640 so he couldn't do anything with it. He could do 2:52:22.760 --> 2:52:25.320 nothing with it, obvious. Oh, he's a financial journalist. 2:52:25.360 --> 2:52:29.320 He can't report on what financier Jeffrey Epstein tells him 2:52:29.680 --> 2:52:34.480 about Donald Trump walking into a glass door because he 2:52:34.640 --> 2:52:37.760 was oggling naked children a Jeffrey Epstein's mansion. That's a 2:52:37.879 --> 2:52:41.200 thing that Jeffrey joked about to him, and The New 2:52:41.280 --> 2:52:42.680 York Times never printed. 2:52:43.400 --> 2:52:47.840 Yeah, in twenty sixteen they had this. 2:52:48.080 --> 2:52:48.280 Yeah. 2:52:48.920 --> 2:52:52.240 Yeah, there's a tendency and I understand why to get 2:52:52.280 --> 2:52:54.080 sort of burned out on this right to be like, 2:52:54.160 --> 2:52:56.160 oh my god, it's more Epstein news. But we should 2:52:56.160 --> 2:52:59.080 be furious about this. Yeah, this was you know what 2:52:59.480 --> 2:53:01.800 we have. And this isn't even the stuff they're trying 2:53:01.840 --> 2:53:05.120 to hide, right, This isn't the Epstein files. This is 2:53:05.480 --> 2:53:07.720 just the emails that the Oversight Committee has been able 2:53:07.760 --> 2:53:10.760 to get right. And it suggests very plainly that we 2:53:10.840 --> 2:53:12.720 are ruled by a group of pedophiles. And I refuse 2:53:12.800 --> 2:53:14.840 to call them a cabal because cabal implies that they 2:53:14.879 --> 2:53:17.600 work in the shadows. They were not. The entire ruling 2:53:17.600 --> 2:53:21.520 class knew this was going on openly, and they're joking 2:53:21.600 --> 2:53:24.640 about it. Yeah, they don't care. Yeah, they think it's funny. 2:53:25.240 --> 2:53:28.280 There's this exchange from twenty seventeen between Jeffrey and an 2:53:28.400 --> 2:53:32.080 unknown individual where Jeffrey says, you are welcome at my 2:53:32.200 --> 2:53:36.720 house always and more private. The person responds, very well, 2:53:36.959 --> 2:53:38.400 just send me the address again and the code to 2:53:38.440 --> 2:53:40.600 the door so I can get to the second floor 2:53:40.920 --> 2:53:44.879 and send me the day and time. Thanks, Jeffrey said 2:53:45.120 --> 2:53:48.440 ten pm. Should I bring special cake from New York? 2:53:48.760 --> 2:53:53.960 The unknown individual responded yes, and then once they arrived, 2:53:54.080 --> 2:53:56.760 they sent the message quote I'm at the door, but 2:53:56.879 --> 2:53:59.760 I will wait for my time. I don't want to 2:53:59.800 --> 2:54:03.240 come early to find Trump in your house to laughing emojis, 2:54:03.800 --> 2:54:04.640 twenty seventeen. 2:54:04.800 --> 2:54:05.039 Christ. 2:54:05.560 --> 2:54:05.760 Yeah. 2:54:06.200 --> 2:54:08.560 And the reason they're doing this, right, the reason they're 2:54:08.720 --> 2:54:10.640 they're so blatant about this reason they all think it's 2:54:10.680 --> 2:54:12.560 so funny. The reason they're just doing this over completely 2:54:12.640 --> 2:54:16.120 unencrypted email in a way that like someone planning a 2:54:16.280 --> 2:54:20.920 completely legal protest where you stand outside of a building 2:54:21.440 --> 2:54:24.680 with signs right, would not plan it like this. The 2:54:24.840 --> 2:54:28.760 reason they're doing This is that these people and men 2:54:28.920 --> 2:54:31.240 like them have been ruling this country for five hundred 2:54:31.320 --> 2:54:36.000 years in an uninterrupted line from Columbus's fucking crew through 2:54:36.400 --> 2:54:40.039 on Hispaniola, through Jefferson and Sally Hemmings like to Epstein 2:54:40.200 --> 2:54:42.840 is an uninterrupted line. They think that they are completely 2:54:42.879 --> 2:54:45.840 invincible and that no one will ever challenge them, and 2:54:46.200 --> 2:54:49.320 you know, maybe maybe they're fucking right. For all of 2:54:49.400 --> 2:54:51.960 the sort of moaning and complaining about woke censorship and 2:54:52.080 --> 2:54:54.880 me too in cancel culture, these people never shot the 2:54:54.920 --> 2:54:57.320 fuck up ever at any point. All of these people 2:54:57.320 --> 2:54:59.480 are running around to their fucking Epstein conferences taking a 2:54:59.480 --> 2:55:01.359 bunch of money talk about eugenics. 2:55:01.840 --> 2:55:04.360 Well, and that's I mean, there was some fun stuff 2:55:04.360 --> 2:55:07.520 about that in here too, because he was emailing with 2:55:07.840 --> 2:55:13.520 Lawrence Krauss. Less eugenics and more hatred of women where too, 2:55:13.640 --> 2:55:16.400 Like there were very funny emails where Kraus was being like, 2:55:16.720 --> 2:55:19.360 you know, I'd made a comment in a speech that 2:55:19.640 --> 2:55:21.960 half of all the IQ in the world comes from women, 2:55:22.040 --> 2:55:25.720 but they're more than half the population. Ha like a 2:55:25.800 --> 2:55:28.600 lot of just like casual. It's a really interesting insight 2:55:28.760 --> 2:55:31.640 into how people at kind of the highest levels of 2:55:31.760 --> 2:55:36.160 finance and government and just wealth in general, and in 2:55:36.600 --> 2:55:40.280 media like communicated with each other during this period of time. 2:55:40.320 --> 2:55:43.560 I'm sure it's different now because people are even less 2:55:43.560 --> 2:55:46.720 good at writing, but yeah, it's a useful. It's a 2:55:46.760 --> 2:55:49.840 snapshot that we don't get anywhere else of like this, 2:55:50.200 --> 2:55:53.240 this chunk of the I mean talking about that fucker 2:55:53.280 --> 2:55:55.280 at the New York Times, who, by the way, was 2:55:55.440 --> 2:55:59.840 shitcan in twenty nineteen for soliciting donations from Jeffrey Epstein 2:56:00.200 --> 2:56:04.560 and not informing them of his personal relationship. But again, 2:56:04.640 --> 2:56:08.959 the Times never published anything based on their conversations. It's 2:56:09.040 --> 2:56:11.400 the same group of people who have been telling us 2:56:12.320 --> 2:56:16.640 every issue that like it might changentally be connected to, 2:56:16.800 --> 2:56:22.720 like transitioning is newsworthy, and it's incredibly newsworthy if this 2:56:23.000 --> 2:56:27.400 like official at a college might have plagiarized once in 2:56:27.480 --> 2:56:29.880 their childhood but or in their youth. But like, it's 2:56:29.959 --> 2:56:34.119 not newsworthy at all to talk about the possible future 2:56:34.200 --> 2:56:38.200 president walking face first into a glass door because he's 2:56:38.200 --> 2:56:40.680 staring at naked children in a pedophile's mansion. 2:56:41.320 --> 2:56:43.640 This is the period. This is the period with they 2:56:43.680 --> 2:56:47.240 were running stories about the food at Grinnell College. Yeah, 2:56:47.680 --> 2:56:49.360 and you can and you know, And there's another I 2:56:49.440 --> 2:56:50.840 think part of this too, where if you look at 2:56:50.879 --> 2:56:53.560 these things, you can find these people all complaining about 2:56:53.600 --> 2:56:56.640 me too. Right now, you can find these people all 2:56:56.760 --> 2:56:58.960 doing their sort of like, oh, these are all those 2:56:58.959 --> 2:57:00.600 same people who do all of the like oh, like 2:57:00.760 --> 2:57:03.400 we're the bold truth tellers, blah blah blah, we're being 2:57:03.520 --> 2:57:06.320 censored by like cancer culture. I want to take a 2:57:06.360 --> 2:57:08.240 stab at the question that these that you're actually not 2:57:08.360 --> 2:57:10.720 allowed to ask, you know. And what I say you're 2:57:10.720 --> 2:57:12.480 not allowed to ask is these people don't want you 2:57:12.560 --> 2:57:14.720 to ask. All the fucking hedge fund manage CEOs, all 2:57:14.720 --> 2:57:16.480 the senators, all the presidents, every one of these fucking 2:57:16.520 --> 2:57:19.000 files does not want you to ask a simple question. 2:57:19.120 --> 2:57:21.680 Why do we have a ruling class? Like we gave 2:57:21.760 --> 2:57:26.040 them five hundred years of running this continent and do 2:57:26.040 --> 2:57:29.040 you know what they produced again? Five hundred years of 2:57:29.480 --> 2:57:32.600 uninterrupted pedophiles. Right we are we are on we are 2:57:32.640 --> 2:57:35.359 on year five hundred of this from like Colabus, Jefferson 2:57:35.400 --> 2:57:38.320 to Epstein, the Trump right, So why do we have this? 2:57:39.200 --> 2:57:41.480 That's just not how people people. No one's going to 2:57:41.560 --> 2:57:44.039 a store or to the politics store or heading out 2:57:44.080 --> 2:57:48.080 to vote and voting for another year of the pedophile 2:57:48.200 --> 2:57:50.560 ruling class. People don't really think. People don't tend to 2:57:50.600 --> 2:57:53.360 think about it that way, and in part they don't 2:57:53.440 --> 2:57:57.360 because the ruling strata of the United States has not 2:57:58.520 --> 2:58:02.560 portrayed itself in the same unbroken way right like it 2:58:02.760 --> 2:58:06.200 very much makes an effort not to in public. And 2:58:06.280 --> 2:58:08.240 there's an extent to which it is. It's certainly different 2:58:08.280 --> 2:58:10.760 than like the old aristocracy of the British and the 2:58:10.879 --> 2:58:14.040 landed gentry that ruled the British Empire. It's not exactly 2:58:14.240 --> 2:58:17.280 the same, but it is like the same kind of 2:58:17.440 --> 2:58:20.760 people and in a lot of cases the same families 2:58:21.000 --> 2:58:24.760 that continue to control large amounts of wealth and inherent 2:58:24.879 --> 2:58:28.360 political power. I mean, there's another fucking Kennedy who seems 2:58:28.440 --> 2:58:32.320 like a nice kid getting into politics just as we speak, right, 2:58:32.760 --> 2:58:35.000 I don't know. I think I feel like we'll have 2:58:35.080 --> 2:58:38.200 a dedicated episode on more of the Epstein stuff. And 2:58:38.480 --> 2:58:40.920 there's an extent to which I keep thinking about that, 2:58:41.040 --> 2:58:42.960 like bitten community, where it's like no one's on the 2:58:43.000 --> 2:58:45.240 other side of this issue that's listening to this podcast. 2:58:45.320 --> 2:58:49.560 Everybody's very angry about the pedophilia everybody's very angry about 2:58:49.600 --> 2:58:53.200 all of this stuff, and I have mostly been interpreting 2:58:53.240 --> 2:58:56.080 it through just like laughing over the last day or two, 2:58:56.120 --> 2:58:58.800 which is bad because it's like really bad stuff. You 2:58:58.840 --> 2:59:01.640 shouldn't just do that it, But like what else? What 2:59:01.800 --> 2:59:05.200 other reactions? Like you can pick and choose whatever you do. 2:59:06.120 --> 2:59:08.440 I think to your point, Mia, however you react to this, 2:59:08.520 --> 2:59:12.000 it's not going to change anything, right, yeah, Like so fine, 2:59:12.000 --> 2:59:12.440 it hasn't. 2:59:12.879 --> 2:59:15.960 Yeah, well, but I mean, okay, I don't think that's 2:59:16.080 --> 2:59:19.840 completely true. You can watch how just like pissed off 2:59:19.920 --> 2:59:23.360 and scared these people were about like about me too, right, 2:59:23.400 --> 2:59:25.080 and like you can you can go listen to Bannon 2:59:25.120 --> 2:59:26.720 a couple of weeks ago talking about how if they 2:59:26.760 --> 2:59:29.320 lose the election, like we're all going to prison. Yeah right, 2:59:29.520 --> 2:59:34.360 like these people are like concerned about even like me too, 2:59:34.400 --> 2:59:36.640 which was a fairly milk toe like it wasn't like 2:59:36.720 --> 2:59:40.160 a particularly radical feminist movement right now, and these people 2:59:40.240 --> 2:59:43.840 were losing their fucking minds about it. And you know, 2:59:44.080 --> 2:59:47.560 like we we have the potential to organize feminist movements 2:59:47.560 --> 2:59:50.080 that can actually do things about this shit, Like we 2:59:50.440 --> 2:59:52.680 are capable of building new feminist movements we did one 2:59:52.959 --> 2:59:55.520 not that long ago that was a big part of 2:59:55.720 --> 3:00:00.600 this administration collapsing the first time, and we can do 3:00:00.720 --> 3:00:01.119 it again. 3:00:01.280 --> 3:00:03.480 I'm not saying there's no point in fighting them. I'm 3:00:03.520 --> 3:00:06.120 just saying, like your reaction the moment to the epstein 3:00:06.200 --> 3:00:10.480 Leagues doesn't matter as much as is this going to 3:00:11.920 --> 3:00:15.160 Is this going to cause any kind of like long 3:00:15.280 --> 3:00:18.760 term resistance to the administration? Is this going to? And 3:00:18.879 --> 3:00:21.760 maybe it will, But like I guess the thing that 3:00:21.800 --> 3:00:25.120 I'm curious about is like what what is what are 3:00:25.440 --> 3:00:28.480 what are we doing to try and make this matter? Right, 3:00:28.680 --> 3:00:31.160 Because like that's that's where I am. 3:00:31.400 --> 3:00:34.160 Yeah, But the answer to the question is this going 3:00:34.240 --> 3:00:36.560 to matter? Is also something that every single one of 3:00:36.640 --> 3:00:39.840 us decides, right, because if we all just do nothing, 3:00:40.080 --> 3:00:41.760 then yeah, nothing, nothing will happen. 3:00:42.440 --> 3:00:42.600 Right. 3:00:43.200 --> 3:00:46.080 If we go mobilize and we go do things to 3:00:46.160 --> 3:00:49.000 resist these people, we intensify the things we're already doing. 3:00:49.000 --> 3:00:50.640 If we start doing new things, if we start doing 3:00:50.720 --> 3:00:55.520 new sort of feminist insertioncies, right then things can change. 3:00:56.000 --> 3:00:59.360 But if we don't, they're not going to and we're 3:00:59.440 --> 3:01:01.080 just going to have another five hundred years with these 3:01:01.120 --> 3:01:02.199 pedophiles ruling everything. 3:01:02.400 --> 3:01:06.480 Yeah, I mean, I think that it's probably more a 3:01:06.560 --> 3:01:10.520 matter of like, this is likely to shift more people 3:01:10.560 --> 3:01:14.320 away from the GOP, at least in the immediate future. 3:01:14.400 --> 3:01:16.240 I don't think in the long term. I don't know 3:01:16.320 --> 3:01:18.640 that you don't build a coalition off of this, because 3:01:18.680 --> 3:01:22.039 the dims certainly aren't trying to you at least get 3:01:22.080 --> 3:01:26.240 this like wider awareness of where the real problem was. 3:01:26.440 --> 3:01:27.720 But I just don't know. 3:01:27.959 --> 3:01:29.840 I think it's going to be utilized electorally by some 3:01:29.959 --> 3:01:33.600 Republicans to eventually decouple the party from Trump. Yes, after 3:01:33.879 --> 3:01:35.560 this becomes more and more evident, and they're looking for 3:01:35.640 --> 3:01:38.640 a way to get themselves out of becoming the Trump Party, 3:01:39.120 --> 3:01:42.320 and turning on him specifically through this issue will probably 3:01:42.360 --> 3:01:44.200 be one of the methods in which they do that. 3:01:44.720 --> 3:01:47.280 And you see that with some people like even like 3:01:47.680 --> 3:01:49.400 margin Ta Lagree and Lauren Bobert. 3:01:49.640 --> 3:01:53.040 Yeah, Rod Drere is writing about some stuff adjacent to this, Right, 3:01:53.640 --> 3:01:56.160 these are the guys who think Vance needs to lead 3:01:56.200 --> 3:01:57.400 the party away from Trump. 3:01:58.040 --> 3:02:01.480 Yeah, yeah, and are already viewing Trump as a sort 3:02:01.480 --> 3:02:05.240 of lame duck presidency insomuch is that he's kind of 3:02:05.280 --> 3:02:08.000 failed to do a whole bunch of stuff especially on 3:02:08.040 --> 3:02:10.960 the economy in the past year. The midterms are about 3:02:10.959 --> 3:02:12.200 to get up and running. That's going to take up 3:02:12.200 --> 3:02:14.800 a whole bunch of energy that everyone expects the Dems 3:02:14.840 --> 3:02:16.680 to do very well in the midterms and then prevent 3:02:16.959 --> 3:02:19.640 Trump administration in the final two years from getting much 3:02:19.640 --> 3:02:24.400 of anything done through blocking things in Congress. And that's 3:02:24.440 --> 3:02:26.880 what a lot of people on the far right are 3:02:27.000 --> 3:02:32.600 like taking this situation as as basically January to now 3:02:33.000 --> 3:02:35.600 was the second Trump administration. This is the most that 3:02:35.640 --> 3:02:38.120 they're going to get done, and now it's kind of 3:02:38.160 --> 3:02:42.240 all downhill from here, yea, and they're looking far beyond 3:02:42.320 --> 3:02:42.879 Trump now. 3:02:43.040 --> 3:02:58.280 Yes, I want to tack back to the Times real 3:02:58.400 --> 3:03:02.120 quickly before we move past it. Like Garrison, some of 3:03:02.160 --> 3:03:04.640 those emails you read, if I'm not mistaken, were like 3:03:04.720 --> 3:03:07.000 in December of twenty eighteen. 3:03:06.840 --> 3:03:14.560 Right, Yeah, the twenty eighteen ones are Epstein saying I 3:03:14.720 --> 3:03:16.480 am the one able to take him down. 3:03:16.600 --> 3:03:17.560 That one from twenty eighteen. 3:03:18.480 --> 3:03:21.640 Yeah, okay, So let's talk about I mean, the week 3:03:21.720 --> 3:03:24.160 before the midterms and all week after midterms in terms 3:03:24.200 --> 3:03:27.000 of Times front page stories. Right the week before the 3:03:27.000 --> 3:03:30.320 midterms to twenty eighteen, the Times ran twelve stories on 3:03:30.480 --> 3:03:33.600 the quote unquote migrant caravan on the front page ran 3:03:33.680 --> 3:03:36.879 twenty fourth. Oh yeah, I remember that, right the week 3:03:37.120 --> 3:03:43.280 after it ran five. The migrant caravan continued to grow 3:03:43.400 --> 3:03:46.200 as more people are I was physically present in Tijuana 3:03:46.360 --> 3:03:48.560 right as the caravan was arriving, and I continued to 3:03:48.680 --> 3:03:51.720 be present for the rest of that year. The caravan 3:03:51.720 --> 3:03:53.760 con teamed to grow, more people continue to come. Right, 3:03:54.000 --> 3:03:57.520 this is and a choice was made not to cover 3:03:57.640 --> 3:04:01.040 the Epstein stuff that Roberts spoke about. Right, A choice 3:04:01.200 --> 3:04:03.880 was also made at that time to really like, this 3:04:04.040 --> 3:04:06.960 caravan was not huge. It was large, but it wasn't 3:04:07.000 --> 3:04:10.840 a hugely remarkable number of migrants, and it occupied twelve 3:04:11.040 --> 3:04:15.200 front page stories during that one week before the election. Right, 3:04:15.360 --> 3:04:17.680 I don't know how else I could say this, Like 3:04:17.760 --> 3:04:20.800 they're literally saying look over there. Yeah. 3:04:21.879 --> 3:04:25.000 Well, and I guess that's part of my fear gear 3:04:25.600 --> 3:04:28.560 is I think that is accurate as to how things 3:04:28.600 --> 3:04:30.360 are going to play out, and that the DIMS will 3:04:30.400 --> 3:04:34.760 have a good mid term and probably pretty good results 3:04:34.800 --> 3:04:37.200 in the twenty twenty. That's less clear to me, you know, 3:04:37.360 --> 3:04:39.520 because in part, if the DIMS have a really good 3:04:39.680 --> 3:04:42.280 twenty twenty six, and then things continue to get worse. 3:04:42.320 --> 3:04:45.000 Maybe we'll blame the party. I don't know who's going 3:04:45.040 --> 3:04:46.960 to show up on the you know, after Trump that 3:04:47.160 --> 3:04:49.760 that's all a little unclear. But what worries me is 3:04:49.760 --> 3:04:52.440 that in the mix of all that we're going to 3:04:52.600 --> 3:04:56.080 get away from and I think this is almost inevitable 3:04:56.520 --> 3:05:00.680 actual accountability for these people, Like, I don't four seed 3:05:00.720 --> 3:05:05.160 they're being strong punished. I foresee things moving forward, possibly 3:05:05.200 --> 3:05:06.840 in a way where they get quite a bit better, 3:05:07.080 --> 3:05:10.680 but not where I don't see the likelihood of these 3:05:10.760 --> 3:05:15.080 people getting punished. And I don't know that somebody running 3:05:15.320 --> 3:05:17.720 in twenty twenty eight on a platform of we're going 3:05:17.840 --> 3:05:20.680 to hang these people in the street would win, But 3:05:20.800 --> 3:05:21.800 I think it's worth a shot. 3:05:23.920 --> 3:05:28.520 Yeah, yeah, it's pretty far off, I really know. Yeah, 3:05:28.680 --> 3:05:32.600 I'm not sure how much this will still be relevant 3:05:32.640 --> 3:05:36.680 by then. I mean after Mike Johnson for seven weeks 3:05:37.040 --> 3:05:41.959 delayed the swearing in of Arizona representative at Elite Gorihalva, 3:05:42.800 --> 3:05:45.920 she was finally sworn in yesterday on Wednesday and became 3:05:46.080 --> 3:05:50.800 the two hundred and eighteenth required signature on the discharge 3:05:50.879 --> 3:05:54.720 petition to force a floor vote for the full release 3:05:54.920 --> 3:05:58.880 of the Epstein files. Johnson says this vote will happen 3:05:59.160 --> 3:06:04.160 next week. During this process, Trump held an emergency meeting 3:06:04.240 --> 3:06:08.840 in the Situation Room with Pam Bondie, Todd Blanche, and 3:06:09.040 --> 3:06:12.560 Cash Bettel to convince Lauren Bobert to take her name 3:06:12.760 --> 3:06:16.240 off the petition, which would then result in it not 3:06:16.520 --> 3:06:20.280 being complete and forcing the vote. They are certainly in 3:06:20.440 --> 3:06:23.360 a panic over this. The whole White House team is. 3:06:24.040 --> 3:06:27.840 This morning Thursday, Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt put out an 3:06:27.879 --> 3:06:31.200 amazing post on x the Everything app quote. If not 3:06:31.400 --> 3:06:34.600 for the Jeffrey Epstein story, CNN would be forced talk 3:06:34.640 --> 3:06:37.600 about how Chuck Schumer and the Democrats got shellacked by 3:06:37.680 --> 3:06:40.800 President Trump and Republicans in the government shut down fight. 3:06:41.360 --> 3:06:44.240 It's clear this is another Democrat and mainstream media hoax 3:06:44.280 --> 3:06:47.680 fueled by fake outrage distract. When the President's wins, Republicans 3:06:47.720 --> 3:06:50.320 don't be fooled. President Trump will remain focused on making 3:06:50.360 --> 3:06:54.800 America affordable again. If not for the Jeffrey Epstein story. 3:06:55.520 --> 3:06:56.400 It was if not. 3:06:56.760 --> 3:06:59.520 If not, aren't we all saying that if the president 3:06:59.720 --> 3:07:03.480 was a pedophile, then everyone would love him. 3:07:07.280 --> 3:07:09.800 If not for the child molestation, he'd be allowed to 3:07:09.879 --> 3:07:10.879 live in this neighborhood. 3:07:13.160 --> 3:07:15.440 I want mentioned the Macon Kelly thing in terms of 3:07:16.080 --> 3:07:18.720 in terms of Republicans reacting to this and trying to 3:07:18.760 --> 3:07:21.120 find a way to sort through. And some of them 3:07:21.160 --> 3:07:24.680 are manufacturing like consent, like making Kelly here, and others 3:07:24.720 --> 3:07:26.640 I think are quite ready to just throw Trump to 3:07:26.680 --> 3:07:27.119 the wolves. 3:07:27.160 --> 3:07:30.520 Frankly, Yeah, there's a so Megan Kelly, I'm not gonna 3:07:30.520 --> 3:07:32.280 play the clip from you all because having to listen 3:07:32.320 --> 3:07:33.679 to making Kelly's. 3:07:33.920 --> 3:07:37.080 I've listened to four hours of Makeing Kelly this week. 3:07:37.160 --> 3:07:37.320 Mia. 3:07:37.520 --> 3:07:40.680 Yeah, let's know more. But she has this whole line 3:07:40.720 --> 3:07:42.560 about how she knows someone who's close to the case 3:07:42.600 --> 3:07:45.560 and has all the details and that person thinks that, Yeah, 3:07:45.879 --> 3:07:47.600 her exact quote is, I think there's a difference, a 3:07:47.640 --> 3:07:49.480 difference between a fifteen year old and a five year old. 3:07:49.520 --> 3:07:52.000 I mean she literally is talking about how, oh he 3:07:52.160 --> 3:07:54.000 was into the he wasn't into four or five year olds. 3:07:54.000 --> 3:07:56.520 He's talking about She says this and I quote barely 3:07:56.680 --> 3:08:00.360 legal types, and then she says fourteen or fifteen, which 3:08:00.720 --> 3:08:05.520 no legal Just pause, pause right there, fourteen fifteen not legal. 3:08:05.680 --> 3:08:07.440 I think there was a conversation to be had about 3:08:07.440 --> 3:08:09.959 the descent, which the barely legal like just turned eighteen 3:08:10.080 --> 3:08:12.800 shit is to a large extent of product of like 3:08:13.000 --> 3:08:16.320 American pedophil culture and misogyny. But like, those are fourteen 3:08:16.360 --> 3:08:19.080 and fifteen year olds, and this is the like you know, this, 3:08:19.240 --> 3:08:21.640 this is the defense of these people are are dragging 3:08:21.720 --> 3:08:24.640 out for this, which is that oh well he wasn't 3:08:24.800 --> 3:08:28.320 like literal like like five year olds. So actually it's 3:08:28.600 --> 3:08:31.240 like they're they're they're they're doing the libertarian thing. It's like, 3:08:31.320 --> 3:08:32.800 isn't it be a file or whatever? The fuck? 3:08:33.360 --> 3:08:34.720 I think a lot of this is also the result 3:08:34.760 --> 3:08:37.320 of like the QAnon brained idea that like they're four 3:08:37.400 --> 3:08:40.760 year olds and like, no, this is mostly like really 3:08:40.840 --> 3:08:43.560 young teenagers. That's mostly what these guys are into and 3:08:43.840 --> 3:08:45.959 making Kelly specifically was talking about Epstein. 3:08:45.680 --> 3:08:46.520 This is even really young. 3:08:46.560 --> 3:08:50.000 They're six fifteen to seventeen year old girls. 3:08:50.160 --> 3:08:50.320 Right. 3:08:50.600 --> 3:08:52.640 That's the part of the problem is that a huge 3:08:53.280 --> 3:08:56.640 number of not just men, but largely men in this 3:08:56.800 --> 3:09:01.119 country don't see fifteen to seventeen year old girls as children. 3:09:00.879 --> 3:09:01.560 Which they are. 3:09:02.200 --> 3:09:07.720 And yeah, that's really a pro Yeah, it's. 3:09:06.959 --> 3:09:11.560 Just struggling, just incredible structural misogyny that's just yeah, And 3:09:11.640 --> 3:09:13.560 so that's what they're sort of trying to bake all 3:09:13.600 --> 3:09:15.480 of this stuff as now. And I guess we'll see 3:09:15.480 --> 3:09:18.279 whether it works or not, just because. 3:09:18.959 --> 3:09:21.240 Yeah, I don't think this line from Megan Kelly is 3:09:21.280 --> 3:09:26.520 going to be very a large scale of Butbophelia. I 3:09:26.600 --> 3:09:29.200 don't think it's I don't think it's gonna work. I 3:09:29.360 --> 3:09:32.720 I her motivations for this are I'm sure not great. 3:09:33.120 --> 3:09:33.240 Now. 3:09:33.320 --> 3:09:35.360 You don't know that, Garrison, And I think in some 3:09:35.440 --> 3:09:36.959 way she is pulling from like this like a QAnon 3:09:37.000 --> 3:09:38.760 brained idea, right, that these are a whole bunch of 3:09:38.879 --> 3:09:40.400 like basically infants. 3:09:40.840 --> 3:09:44.720 Yeah, well, what else do you want to talk about? 3:09:45.520 --> 3:09:49.920 Let's talk about January sixth and the terrorisms. 3:09:51.000 --> 3:09:54.240 Sure, I love no either of those things. 3:09:55.040 --> 3:09:58.039 I I Garrison, you love terrorism. 3:09:58.440 --> 3:10:00.280 I had a fun day, No, I honestly I had. 3:10:00.360 --> 3:10:01.840 I had a great January sixth. 3:10:02.040 --> 3:10:02.480 That's good. 3:10:03.080 --> 3:10:04.600 That was a really fun morning for me. 3:10:04.840 --> 3:10:07.080 That was a hoot of a day. Boy howdie when 3:10:07.120 --> 3:10:11.840 they breached the capital doors? Great time? Well windows first, 3:10:11.920 --> 3:10:12.640 but yeah, I. 3:10:12.680 --> 3:10:15.560 Think you mean when the FBI breached the Capitol. 3:10:15.160 --> 3:10:16.240 Stores for sure. 3:10:16.440 --> 3:10:20.400 Yes, So this all takes me to the sub stack 3:10:20.560 --> 3:10:25.320 of a guy named Rod Dreyer. Rod Is, he wouldn't 3:10:25.560 --> 3:10:28.200 call himself a fascist. But if you ever bring up 3:10:28.680 --> 3:10:31.520 is this specific fascist from history bad, he'd say, well, 3:10:31.600 --> 3:10:34.120 not compared to the communists they stopped right. That's the 3:10:34.200 --> 3:10:36.240 kind of conservative conservative that Rod is. 3:10:36.360 --> 3:10:37.360 He's basically friends. 3:10:38.160 --> 3:10:40.520 Yeah, he's basically friends of Victor or Body. 3:10:40.680 --> 3:10:40.880 Yeah. 3:10:41.680 --> 3:10:44.560 Didn't he just write a piece called our women ruining 3:10:44.600 --> 3:10:45.279 the workplace? 3:10:45.680 --> 3:10:48.200 He's written several like that. I think he's just like 3:10:48.280 --> 3:10:50.760 the people I'm talking about. Was when he came out 3:10:50.760 --> 3:10:52.440 with on November tenth, called what I Saw on herd 3:10:52.480 --> 3:10:54.760 in Washington, and he was at a meeting with President 3:10:54.840 --> 3:11:01.080 Vice President James Darryl Vance, not his stolen James Dolan Vance. 3:11:01.800 --> 3:11:04.360 That's a good James Dolan. You're a real New Yorker. Now, 3:11:04.480 --> 3:11:07.320 gare are you pissed about the Knicks permanently? 3:11:07.959 --> 3:11:08.119 Now? 3:11:09.120 --> 3:11:10.560 Basketball's too masculine for me. 3:11:10.720 --> 3:11:13.200 So he came out with this article about this this 3:11:13.400 --> 3:11:16.040 meeting that that Vance had with Victor Orbon and some 3:11:16.160 --> 3:11:18.760 other Republican luminaries. And for a little bit of context, 3:11:18.920 --> 3:11:22.039 Dreyer is, again, you wouldn't call him an anti trumper. 3:11:22.120 --> 3:11:23.640 You'd call him a guy who thinks that Trump is 3:11:23.720 --> 3:11:25.840 going to doom the right and doom the right to 3:11:25.920 --> 3:11:28.680 fascism unless jd Vance can save them. He actually has 3:11:28.720 --> 3:11:31.160 a recent His most recent column is basically jd Vance 3:11:31.240 --> 3:11:33.360 is the only person who can save the right wing 3:11:33.520 --> 3:11:37.080 from fascism. And he's a weird dude who reads a 3:11:37.120 --> 3:11:39.920 lot of Hannah Arnt but absolutely does not understand her. 3:11:40.480 --> 3:11:42.840 But this article of his based on this meeting is 3:11:42.920 --> 3:11:45.200 useful for a couple of reasons. One that I'm sure 3:11:45.240 --> 3:11:47.480 Gary and I will talk about more detail later is 3:11:48.240 --> 3:11:51.440 Drere estimates in here that thirty to forty percent of 3:11:51.600 --> 3:11:55.040 the Zoomers who are working for the Republican Party in 3:11:55.240 --> 3:12:00.920 DC are Groyper's aka fans of Holocaust DENI are and true? True? 3:12:01.360 --> 3:12:02.000 Yeah? Is that? 3:12:02.160 --> 3:12:04.800 What is that what eugen z kids are saying for truth? Garrison? 3:12:05.160 --> 3:12:07.720 Yeah, that's okay, Okay, that's truth. I can't keep it 3:12:07.920 --> 3:12:11.480 a great track of that's shit anymore. Truth nuke Great, 3:12:12.440 --> 3:12:15.680 that makes sense, Duke. Sure, Yeah, they're all grapers, or 3:12:15.760 --> 3:12:17.000 at least forty percent are. 3:12:17.360 --> 3:12:19.560 Thirty thirty forty percent And I actually eat number one 3:12:19.680 --> 3:12:22.800 he Dreyer, He's not someone that I I think just 3:12:22.920 --> 3:12:25.680 makes up nonsense. I think he's like wrong because his 3:12:25.800 --> 3:12:29.400 brain is bad. But I I he provides some backup, 3:12:29.480 --> 3:12:32.280 including interviews and conversations he had for this, and this 3:12:32.440 --> 3:12:35.480 is consistent with other information coming out of the beltweigh. 3:12:35.840 --> 3:12:38.600 I think he's probably pretty close to the accurate number here, right, 3:12:38.680 --> 3:12:41.760 thirty to forty percent seems believable. Gare, I think you're 3:12:41.800 --> 3:12:44.320 more or less in the same area there, Garrison is 3:12:44.360 --> 3:12:49.320 thirty great, Yes, that's yes, that's that's what I meant. James, 3:12:49.400 --> 3:12:55.760 thank you for the most charitable reading of my sentence there. Now, 3:12:55.879 --> 3:12:58.240 the thing that I thought was the other thing that 3:12:58.240 --> 3:13:00.560 I thought was interesting from this article is because he's 3:13:00.640 --> 3:13:03.880 he's trying to talk about why the media, which he 3:13:04.160 --> 3:13:06.760 sees as an inherently left wing organization, even though we 3:13:06.920 --> 3:13:08.959 just talked about all of the carrying water for Jeffrey 3:13:08.959 --> 3:13:11.119 Epstein while attacking trans people, shit they did. 3:13:11.760 --> 3:13:13.840 It's it's it's it's a it's a right wing slash 3:13:13.879 --> 3:13:16.560 liberal organization. I would would, yeah, you have to, you 3:13:16.600 --> 3:13:19.240 have to get over some of his aspects of phrasing. 3:13:19.320 --> 3:13:22.440 But he's talking about why. One of some of the 3:13:22.480 --> 3:13:25.840 reasons why he thinks that the institutions in our society, 3:13:26.360 --> 3:13:29.000 like Zoomers do not trust them. And this is where 3:13:29.040 --> 3:13:30.240 I think he's on the money, because I think that 3:13:30.320 --> 3:13:35.160 the reason why so many gen Z Republicans, like Republican staffers, 3:13:35.240 --> 3:13:38.160 are gropers is what he gets at, which is that 3:13:38.800 --> 3:13:40.560 they're having the same problem as the rest of gen Z. 3:13:40.680 --> 3:13:42.840 They're just approaching it from a fascist standpoint. But they 3:13:42.840 --> 3:13:45.240 all are starting from the same point, which is I'm fucked. 3:13:45.480 --> 3:13:48.320 My generation is fucked. Yeah, there's no jobs, I'm not 3:13:48.360 --> 3:13:50.560 going to own a house. The climate is screwed. 3:13:51.000 --> 3:13:53.760 Like they're blaming the Jews for it, but they're they're 3:13:53.840 --> 3:13:56.960 starting at the same plan. It's school shooter politics, right, 3:13:57.080 --> 3:14:00.480 school shooter politics. Yes, some people understand this and then 3:14:00.520 --> 3:14:02.800 decide to do a school shooting. These guys decide to 3:14:02.800 --> 3:14:05.520 get jobs in Washington. Yes, but it's the same psychea 3:14:05.680 --> 3:14:09.119 behind the mechanism, exactly right. And I'm going to read 3:14:09.120 --> 3:14:11.400 a quote from Dreer's article and then we'll move past 3:14:11.480 --> 3:14:13.720 him to the primary thing I wanted to talk about here, 3:14:14.080 --> 3:14:16.240 and this is him talking about, you know, why these 3:14:16.280 --> 3:14:19.000 Zoomers don't trust the system and want to destroy everything. 3:14:19.959 --> 3:14:21.920 The institutions of our society as they see it, have 3:14:22.080 --> 3:14:24.080 lied and light and light and still lie. They still 3:14:24.120 --> 3:14:26.199 lie in many ways about race, refusing to be honest 3:14:26.240 --> 3:14:28.440 about black crime. They lie about COVID, They lied about 3:14:28.480 --> 3:14:30.800 males and females, and they force the insanity of gender 3:14:30.840 --> 3:14:33.600 ideology on us. All the military light about I Rock 3:14:33.920 --> 3:14:37.560 the universities is just the military, just the military rod. 3:14:37.959 --> 3:14:41.320 The universities embraced and enforced ideologies of lies. The Catholic 3:14:41.360 --> 3:14:43.320 churchs lie about sexual abuse and the connection to the 3:14:43.320 --> 3:14:46.800 prevalence of sexually active gay priests. Exactly is that the problem? 3:14:46.959 --> 3:14:50.600 Honeycoming institution. They lied about the benefits of mass migration 3:14:50.720 --> 3:14:52.879 and diversity. They lied about Trump and Russia. They sure 3:14:52.959 --> 3:14:56.240 didn't the political parties, in their corporate allies light about 3:14:56.240 --> 3:14:59.000 what globals we need for ordinary people. The media have lied, 3:14:59.040 --> 3:15:01.640 and they do about most things. This past week and 3:15:01.760 --> 3:15:04.000 everybody was talking about the new report in Blaze Media 3:15:04.080 --> 3:15:06.760 alleging that the mysterious January sixth pipe bomber was in 3:15:06.800 --> 3:15:09.920 fact a former Capitol Police officer, the implications being that 3:15:10.000 --> 3:15:11.840 the whole event was orchestrated by the deep state to 3:15:11.879 --> 3:15:14.880 discredit Donald Trump. Maybe mainstream media are busy trying to 3:15:14.959 --> 3:15:17.160 validate this reporting on their own. If The Blaze has 3:15:17.200 --> 3:15:19.200 this wrong, they're going to be suited to oblivion, and 3:15:19.360 --> 3:15:21.800 so will all the other media who amplify a false charge. 3:15:22.000 --> 3:15:22.600 I can tell you that. 3:15:22.760 --> 3:15:22.800 No. 3:15:23.000 --> 3:15:24.640 All I can tell you is that nobody in the 3:15:24.760 --> 3:15:26.840 MSM are talking about it as I write it, even 3:15:26.879 --> 3:15:29.680 though it is an explosive story. People were in fact 3:15:29.760 --> 3:15:30.360 talking about it. 3:15:30.480 --> 3:15:30.680 Yeah. 3:15:30.760 --> 3:15:34.520 And in fact, before we could do this episode, The Bulwark, 3:15:34.640 --> 3:15:38.800 which has both a website with articles and is a 3:15:38.879 --> 3:15:43.080 podcast network, came up with an article by Will Sommer, 3:15:43.160 --> 3:15:47.040 who used to write for The Journalist. Yeah, good journalist. 3:15:47.959 --> 3:15:49.600 We took a bullying hat class together, I believe was 3:15:49.640 --> 3:15:51.840 the post that he wrote for. At the time. 3:15:52.080 --> 3:15:54.480 He was like one of the leading QAnon experts for years. 3:15:54.720 --> 3:15:57.320 Yeah you student Dady beast Wassing for a while. 3:15:57.520 --> 3:15:59.280 Yeah, Daily Beast is I think where I knew him from. 3:15:59.480 --> 3:16:01.520 And he wrote a really good article called The Blaze's 3:16:01.560 --> 3:16:06.800 pipe on Bombshell appears to bomb and basically Dreer says here, well, 3:16:06.840 --> 3:16:08.600 if the bit if the Blaze is wrong, they'll be 3:16:08.720 --> 3:16:11.320 soon too oblivion. And the short answer is yeah, I 3:16:11.320 --> 3:16:15.080 think yeah, because they absolutely named this lady and the 3:16:15.200 --> 3:16:18.160 Capitol Police. To make a long story short, if you 3:16:18.200 --> 3:16:20.920 don't want to read the whole Blaze article, you can 3:16:21.000 --> 3:16:22.760 read the piece on the bulwark. You can read the 3:16:22.800 --> 3:16:25.040 sections of it, or you can type the link to 3:16:25.080 --> 3:16:27.600 the Blaze article into like archive dot org, so you 3:16:27.640 --> 3:16:30.640 don't give from traffic if you want. It's not good. 3:16:32.200 --> 3:16:35.120 It's the entire their entire claims that this particular woman. 3:16:35.160 --> 3:16:37.200 And I am not going to name this woman because 3:16:37.240 --> 3:16:39.920 I don't think she's the bomber, and I don't think 3:16:40.000 --> 3:16:43.360 you've got name people as being a terrorist if you're 3:16:43.440 --> 3:16:47.360 not sure they were. I will say that she's a woman, 3:16:47.440 --> 3:16:49.800 and that she's a Capitol Police officer, or at least 3:16:50.400 --> 3:16:52.840 now a former Capitol Police officer who is kind of 3:16:53.040 --> 3:16:55.840 insinuated by the Blaze and has been absolutely taken up 3:16:55.840 --> 3:16:58.080 by the right wing media immediately since to be a Now, 3:16:58.280 --> 3:17:00.840 she got poached by the CIA right and that's taken 3:17:00.840 --> 3:17:02.960 as like proof that she definitely did this. She's a 3:17:03.040 --> 3:17:10.160 security guard at the CIA's she's not in the CIA. 3:17:10.640 --> 3:17:14.600 I'm sorry, guys. She's a rent to cop for the CIA, 3:17:14.959 --> 3:17:17.680 which is let's be fair, probably the highest rung of 3:17:17.720 --> 3:17:21.960 rent to cop, Like, you know, you're taking a step 3:17:22.040 --> 3:17:24.720 up as a rent to cop, but she's not. She's 3:17:24.800 --> 3:17:27.280 not out there over throwing democracies yet. 3:17:29.080 --> 3:17:29.440 I don't know. 3:17:29.520 --> 3:17:31.880 Maybe they fast track you once you're let's see a 3:17:32.040 --> 3:17:36.560 security guard enough. But so the whole claim that the 3:17:36.640 --> 3:17:40.000 Blaze is staking the reputation on because if you're paying 3:17:40.000 --> 3:17:43.560 attention to like info wars, well not reputations their financial 3:17:43.680 --> 3:17:46.520 solvency because info wars currently owes like a billion and 3:17:46.560 --> 3:17:50.280 a half dollars for wrongly accusing people of having faked 3:17:50.360 --> 3:17:54.280 match shootings and the depths of their own children. So 3:17:54.959 --> 3:17:57.160 their argument that this lady has to be it is 3:17:57.200 --> 3:17:59.080 based on they have some old footage of her, like 3:17:59.160 --> 3:18:02.040 the jogging track, and there's a couple of clips from 3:18:02.040 --> 3:18:04.440 the drugsraph they showed. But they're claiming that this Gate 3:18:04.560 --> 3:18:06.800 analysis that they did between the Capitol bomber and this 3:18:06.840 --> 3:18:08.840 woman is based on footage of her that they are 3:18:09.000 --> 3:18:12.400 not publishing publicly. That's good so that you can verify it, 3:18:12.680 --> 3:18:15.360 But that they say is ninety four percent. And they 3:18:15.480 --> 3:18:17.720 talked to a Gate analysis expert and he did a 3:18:17.800 --> 3:18:19.800 personal Gate analysis and he said it had be more 3:18:19.840 --> 3:18:23.080 than ninety eight percent, so that means basically it definitely 3:18:23.240 --> 3:18:26.840 was her because gate analysis is for sure real and 3:18:27.080 --> 3:18:30.560 not one of the Every kind of forensic science is 3:18:30.640 --> 3:18:31.039 a lie. 3:18:31.240 --> 3:18:36.320 Lie be even very good for flying shoes alone convicting 3:18:36.440 --> 3:18:39.280 someone that we have fear of you data to show 3:18:39.320 --> 3:18:42.279 that you shouldn't choose your running shoes of gate analysis, 3:18:42.400 --> 3:18:43.560 let alone fucking. 3:18:45.120 --> 3:18:47.280 Yes, yes, there's many articles about how it may not 3:18:47.360 --> 3:18:51.640 be the future of the shoe industry. You should certainly 3:18:51.760 --> 3:18:56.800 shouldn't be hinging your publication's survival. I'm getting right that 3:18:57.000 --> 3:18:58.280 somebody was a bomber ba. 3:19:00.440 --> 3:19:02.680 This is just the latest attempt by the right to 3:19:03.040 --> 3:19:06.360 run this whole J six false flag conspiracy, which is 3:19:06.400 --> 3:19:08.560 picking up a lot of steam. Like a few months ago, 3:19:08.680 --> 3:19:12.280 the FBI released some information on how many agents they 3:19:12.400 --> 3:19:16.840 had in the area during January sixth, and this led 3:19:17.000 --> 3:19:20.920 many many conservative commentators to believe, Oh, look, the FBI 3:19:20.959 --> 3:19:23.440 had just admitted that it was their agents that actually 3:19:23.480 --> 3:19:26.199 started the riot and was most of the like rowdy, 3:19:26.360 --> 3:19:30.600 rambunctious crew members and no. The specific wording on the 3:19:30.640 --> 3:19:33.560 announcement or statement regarding the presence of agents at J 3:19:33.720 --> 3:19:39.120 six was after after the insurrection had already started and 3:19:39.200 --> 3:19:42.520 agents were sent there to keep it under control. That's 3:19:42.520 --> 3:19:44.800 what it was referring to. And Cash Hotel released a 3:19:44.800 --> 3:19:48.000 statement days later clarifying this, but of course that doesn't 3:19:48.000 --> 3:19:50.360 pick up nearly as much traction as the original claims were. 3:19:50.879 --> 3:19:54.720 So this whole game analysis thing is continuing on this, 3:19:56.040 --> 3:19:58.600 this whole conspiracy theory about how the FBI and the 3:19:58.680 --> 3:20:02.880 CIA staged all of January six to crush Trump and 3:20:02.959 --> 3:20:07.000 remove him from power, and probably warns of a future 3:20:07.240 --> 3:20:11.680 episode just on January sixth, conspiracy theories that have propagated 3:20:11.720 --> 3:20:12.440 the past few months. 3:20:12.680 --> 3:20:18.119 Yeah, yeah, we probably, I mean, honestly, yes, but okay, 3:20:18.200 --> 3:20:20.560 to continue with this. So gain analysis was half of 3:20:20.680 --> 3:20:22.960 what their case lay on. The other half of the 3:20:23.040 --> 3:20:26.640 case was interviews with a couple of different people, primarily 3:20:26.760 --> 3:20:31.520 an FBI whistleblower, a former FBI agent who made a 3:20:31.600 --> 3:20:36.120 claim that, like, yeah, we tied the woman this officer's 3:20:36.440 --> 3:20:39.760 neighbor to a vehicle that like picked up the bomber. 3:20:40.320 --> 3:20:42.960 This is not based on publicly available information. This is 3:20:43.000 --> 3:20:46.320 based on the statements made by former FBI agent Kyle Seraphim, 3:20:46.600 --> 3:20:49.520 who is now a right wing media personality of course, 3:20:49.920 --> 3:20:53.119 and we're just trusting that this guy who is former 3:20:53.240 --> 3:20:56.160 FBI agent trying to rebrand himself as an influencer, is 3:20:56.440 --> 3:20:59.560 telling us the truth about all of this stuff that 3:20:59.640 --> 3:21:02.560 they're not presenting us with. This is this is kind 3:21:02.600 --> 3:21:06.200 of dressed up as ocent, but they're not actually providing 3:21:06.240 --> 3:21:07.000 you with the information. 3:21:07.240 --> 3:21:09.279 There's no actual open source intelligence. 3:21:09.440 --> 3:21:12.280 You can't work back from there from because they're hiding 3:21:12.320 --> 3:21:13.000 a lot of stuff. 3:21:13.080 --> 3:21:13.240 Right. 3:21:13.720 --> 3:21:15.760 There's a couple other things that Sommer notes and his 3:21:15.959 --> 3:21:19.040 article here to make their case against the former Capitol 3:21:19.040 --> 3:21:22.560 police officer. Baker was The author and co author Joseph H. Hannaman, 3:21:22.680 --> 3:21:24.720 focused on a comparison between the officer's gates, some of 3:21:24.760 --> 3:21:26.760 which was apparently captured in years old footage of her 3:21:26.800 --> 3:21:29.320 playing soccer, and footage of the pipeop such from the 3:21:29.400 --> 3:21:32.199 night of January fifth. Instead of using suspect footage released 3:21:32.200 --> 3:21:34.320 by the FBI, however, the Blaze claims it used footage 3:21:34.360 --> 3:21:37.280 from another source the article doesn't name. Critically, the Blaze 3:21:37.320 --> 3:21:40.280 didn't release an actual video comparison or significant details of 3:21:40.320 --> 3:21:42.160 the Gate analysis. Instead, it draws on the work of 3:21:42.200 --> 3:21:44.720 a man the Blaze called a video sleuth, a little 3:21:44.760 --> 3:21:48.320 known X user named Armatas whose online profile image is 3:21:48.360 --> 3:21:50.720 a picture from the nineteen ninety eight role playing video 3:21:50.800 --> 3:21:51.920 game Zeno Gears. 3:21:52.320 --> 3:21:55.080 Hell Yeah, Zeno Gears Great twigs Net video game. 3:21:55.720 --> 3:21:58.400 Yeah, You're not gonna get sued into oblivion for this shit. 3:21:58.480 --> 3:21:59.840 The Blaze, I'm proud of you. 3:22:00.560 --> 3:22:05.440 Don't believe the people who published vance Bolt's probably last 3:22:05.520 --> 3:22:06.560 interview would do this. 3:22:07.000 --> 3:22:12.760 Yeah, shocking shocking stuff. Now, to be again totally fair here, 3:22:13.400 --> 3:22:15.920 Dreyer does not treat this with any sort of critical 3:22:16.000 --> 3:22:19.400 thought whatsoever. But actually a bunch of the people critiquing 3:22:19.480 --> 3:22:22.720 this have been on the right, and I where I 3:22:22.879 --> 3:22:24.960 partially agree with Drer's I think it's a mistake that 3:22:25.280 --> 3:22:28.840 the mainstream media has not dedicated more effort to busting 3:22:28.920 --> 3:22:31.760 this immediately and to pointing out the weaknesses and stuff 3:22:31.840 --> 3:22:34.680 like gait analysis immediately out the gate. So it does 3:22:34.800 --> 3:22:37.640 kind of sound like they're ignoring it. I think they're largely. 3:22:37.720 --> 3:22:39.880 I think largely this isn't getting covered because it's so 3:22:40.160 --> 3:22:43.400 shady and bad and because it's dangerous to spread these 3:22:43.520 --> 3:22:44.920 kinds of claims about a person. 3:22:45.080 --> 3:22:47.480 Sure, I mean, yeah, it's like it's like the Blaze. 3:22:48.000 --> 3:22:51.320 It's not even Fox News, right, there's already law enforcement 3:22:51.360 --> 3:22:53.800 station outside this woman's house because of the number of 3:22:53.879 --> 3:22:58.080 threats that you see. Yeah right, like like again, she 3:22:58.160 --> 3:22:59.840 has ample claims for damages here. 3:23:00.320 --> 3:23:00.520 Yeah. 3:23:01.040 --> 3:23:01.240 Yeah. 3:23:01.320 --> 3:23:03.680 So a couple of the people who have come after, 3:23:03.879 --> 3:23:05.640 one of them is after this article. One of them 3:23:05.720 --> 3:23:08.880 is Julie Kelly, who's a right wing media figure and 3:23:09.080 --> 3:23:13.840 is a major force in the January sixth conspiracy theory world. 3:23:14.879 --> 3:23:17.360 And she is largely attacking the Blaze because she's doing 3:23:17.440 --> 3:23:20.080 her own investigation into the who did the pipe bombing? Right, 3:23:20.560 --> 3:23:23.119 So she's she's pointed out some very obvious problems. Why 3:23:23.160 --> 3:23:26.240 don't you post that other video you have, right, why 3:23:26.280 --> 3:23:28.440 don't you show the evidence of the gate analysis? 3:23:28.520 --> 3:23:28.640 Right? 3:23:28.720 --> 3:23:31.560 So she she's been attacking this, as has Joe Hoft, 3:23:31.600 --> 3:23:35.640 who's co founder of the Gateway Pundit. Hell yeah, oh god, yeah, 3:23:36.520 --> 3:23:39.000 great stuff. So there's there's people on the right talking 3:23:39.080 --> 3:23:41.680 shit about this stuff. It's worth noting that when this 3:23:41.879 --> 3:23:46.200 initially came out, Glenn Beck spent days beforehand hyping it 3:23:46.320 --> 3:23:48.959 up and talking about how like this is the biggest 3:23:49.280 --> 3:23:51.280 I think that he literally called it like the biggest 3:23:51.400 --> 3:23:55.040 conspiracy in American history maybe, which is like Jesus Christ, 3:23:55.200 --> 3:23:56.959 dream smaller, Come on, dude. 3:23:57.520 --> 3:23:57.720 Yeah. 3:23:58.120 --> 3:24:01.600 But within like a day of the article actually coming out, 3:24:01.720 --> 3:24:07.040 the Blaze added an editor's note, which is pretty damning. 3:24:07.560 --> 3:24:09.640 An earlier version of this story said it appeared the 3:24:09.680 --> 3:24:13.880 bombing suspect interacted with police after publication. A congressional investigator 3:24:13.920 --> 3:24:15.760 with access to a camera angle that has not been 3:24:15.800 --> 3:24:17.800 made public reached out and told Blaze News a person 3:24:17.840 --> 3:24:20.400 similarly attired to the suspected bomber who comes out of 3:24:20.440 --> 3:24:22.480 the alley and crosses the street towards the two Capitol 3:24:22.520 --> 3:24:24.920 police vehicles is not the same person as the hoodie 3:24:24.920 --> 3:24:27.920 clad pipe bom suspect walking down the alley just minutes earlier. Amazing, 3:24:27.920 --> 3:24:30.279 wouldn't there gata analysis have shown. 3:24:30.040 --> 3:24:31.560 That amazing work. 3:24:32.480 --> 3:24:34.880 Wouldn't you have known that if gata analysis? 3:24:34.959 --> 3:24:37.480 This almost like you can't rely on GAINA analysis to 3:24:37.520 --> 3:24:38.439 identified individuals. 3:24:38.520 --> 3:24:41.360 Yeah, it's almost like this is all bullshit. Anyway. I 3:24:41.520 --> 3:24:45.600 largely did this just because fuck you, Rod Dreer. I like, 3:24:45.959 --> 3:24:49.160 we covered this stupid ass story. Will Sommer covered this 3:24:49.200 --> 3:24:52.240 stupid ass story and we made fun of it. Thank you, Will, 3:24:52.720 --> 3:24:55.520 thank you the bulwark. This is what I've got. I've done. 3:24:56.000 --> 3:24:58.960 That Dreyer piece is also crazy and just in surreal. 3:24:59.400 --> 3:25:01.440 Surreal beca as of how much of it is like 3:25:01.920 --> 3:25:04.440 talking about how we as in the right, needs to 3:25:04.560 --> 3:25:10.800 like re recalibrate, how we discuss the reality of like 3:25:10.959 --> 3:25:14.600 complete Jewish control over our media, and how it's fine 3:25:14.680 --> 3:25:19.600 actually because a whole bunch of various like ethnicities excel 3:25:19.640 --> 3:25:21.480 in various skills and that's not weird. So it's not 3:25:21.640 --> 3:25:24.360 weird that Jews control all the media. We shouldn't be 3:25:24.400 --> 3:25:27.760 worried about this. And how how much of that piece 3:25:27.800 --> 3:25:29.280 feels like it could have been written in like the 3:25:29.400 --> 3:25:36.120 nineteen twenties. Yes, it's a crazy time. Capsule ooks yep. Anyway, 3:25:36.200 --> 3:25:38.320 that's my opinions on the tree or. 3:25:38.320 --> 3:25:42.440 Substack piece anti semitism, for anti semitism, it's a great time. 3:25:43.360 --> 3:25:46.039 I mean sure, I mean you could have I would 3:25:46.040 --> 3:25:49.280 have a slightly more complicated analysis of the piece than 3:25:49.400 --> 3:25:52.840 just anti semitism, because true approaches that issue really oddly. 3:25:52.920 --> 3:25:56.160 I don't think he's antisemitic. Frankly, I don't think he 3:25:56.280 --> 3:25:57.400 thinks he's anti semitic. 3:25:57.600 --> 3:25:59.520 I don't think he thinks he is yeah, but it's 3:25:59.640 --> 3:26:03.600 like I think that there's a difference between what he 3:26:03.800 --> 3:26:05.800 believes about himself of what he's trying to do and 3:26:05.920 --> 3:26:06.640 what he is doing. 3:26:06.879 --> 3:26:09.760 And sure, I mean I mean even even in the 3:26:09.800 --> 3:26:11.320 way that the article is written, and like a lot 3:26:11.360 --> 3:26:14.400 lot of it is yeah, I mean attacking a certain 3:26:14.440 --> 3:26:15.840 type of anti Semitism on the right. 3:26:16.800 --> 3:26:19.039 Well, you guys know what Rod Dreyer would hate other 3:26:19.160 --> 3:26:21.720 than an editor, I think he would. 3:26:21.560 --> 3:26:22.800 Actually love some ass. 3:26:38.160 --> 3:26:42.600 All right, we are back and uh, we're gonna do 3:26:42.720 --> 3:26:45.400 some very brief immigration stuff and then we will play 3:26:45.440 --> 3:26:47.160 the song you have all been waiting for and be 3:26:47.240 --> 3:26:51.840 able to talk to you. The United States Conference of 3:26:52.120 --> 3:26:57.000 Catholic Bishops based based based thank you get issue the 3:26:57.040 --> 3:27:00.720 statement this week. It's about the strongest the nation you're 3:27:00.800 --> 3:27:04.680 going to see from this entity of anything in a 3:27:04.720 --> 3:27:05.600 political realm. Right. 3:27:05.720 --> 3:27:07.520 HOPEFULLYO has not been solved on this issue. 3:27:07.800 --> 3:27:11.160 No, yeah, he is unlike we saw it, like with 3:27:11.280 --> 3:27:14.720 Bishop farm in San Diego, right, like who himself arrived 3:27:14.840 --> 3:27:17.680 as in what they call an unaccompanied minor, right, a child, 3:27:17.760 --> 3:27:20.760 a refugee. I'm going to read from the statement quote, 3:27:20.920 --> 3:27:23.160 we are disturbed when we see among our people a 3:27:23.240 --> 3:27:26.320 climate of fear and anxiety around questions of profiling and 3:27:26.360 --> 3:27:29.520 immigration enforcement. We are saddened by the state of contemporary 3:27:29.520 --> 3:27:32.600 debate and the valification of migrants. We are concerned about 3:27:32.640 --> 3:27:35.039 the conditions in detention centers and the lack of access 3:27:35.080 --> 3:27:38.160 to pastoral care. We lament that some immigrants in the 3:27:38.280 --> 3:27:41.320 United States have arbitrarily lost their legal status. We are 3:27:41.360 --> 3:27:44.000 troubled by threats against the sanctity of houses of worship 3:27:44.080 --> 3:27:47.000 and a special nature of hospitals and schools. We are 3:27:47.160 --> 3:27:50.000 grieved when we meet parents who fear being detained when 3:27:50.040 --> 3:27:52.440 taking their children to school, when we try to console 3:27:52.520 --> 3:27:55.160 family members who have already been separated from their loved ones. 3:27:56.080 --> 3:28:00.080 This isn't the usual based, based, based, based, based, based, based. 3:28:00.240 --> 3:28:04.240 And has got to got a crucifix. I guess they 3:28:04.280 --> 3:28:06.480 haven't done this for like twelve years. Right last time 3:28:06.520 --> 3:28:09.720 they did it about contraception, saying a Catholic church is 3:28:10.680 --> 3:28:13.200 an organization that I agree with all the time. If 3:28:13.200 --> 3:28:15.280 it's not, it's one that I disagree with most of 3:28:15.360 --> 3:28:18.640 the time. But I still think this is important, right, Like, 3:28:18.760 --> 3:28:24.440 this is an organization which has millions of followers in 3:28:24.440 --> 3:28:27.480 the United States, many many Catholics around the world. 3:28:27.360 --> 3:28:28.120 A lot of Catholics. 3:28:28.480 --> 3:28:30.800 Yeah, this is an organization which therefore we should pay 3:28:30.840 --> 3:28:35.200 attention to, right, And I think it is telling that 3:28:35.879 --> 3:28:38.280 the work pope has not stopped with this and that 3:28:38.520 --> 3:28:41.080 it seems like the vast mediority of bishops in the 3:28:41.160 --> 3:28:42.879 United States are on his side. 3:28:43.040 --> 3:28:43.920 No, it's it's it is. 3:28:44.040 --> 3:28:46.359 It is pretty funny we have like a never Trumper, 3:28:46.959 --> 3:28:49.959 nominally conservative, woke pope and the fact that he will 3:28:50.000 --> 3:28:52.120 not blackdown on this issue and has has actually has 3:28:52.320 --> 3:28:54.360 a number of statements on this the past the past 3:28:54.440 --> 3:28:57.160 few weeks, and not softly worded statements either. 3:28:57.680 --> 3:29:01.480 Catholic priests have also been reasonably good on this issue. 3:29:01.760 --> 3:29:05.320 Yeah, it's important, especially because of how much these like 3:29:05.520 --> 3:29:09.440 weird like fascist friendly treads are using Catholicism as like 3:29:09.520 --> 3:29:10.840 a fashion statement. 3:29:11.280 --> 3:29:13.000 And Jdvans included. 3:29:12.720 --> 3:29:14.520 Yeah, I was gonna say, our vice president, have. 3:29:14.600 --> 3:29:18.760 The actual church be like frity freaked out by that. 3:29:19.879 --> 3:29:20.680 I think is good. 3:29:20.720 --> 3:29:22.360 It'd be worth if they were leaning into it, which 3:29:22.440 --> 3:29:27.440 certainly some cardinals like want when they were doing their selection. 3:29:27.600 --> 3:29:30.160 But if you look at the votes in this issue, right, 3:29:30.240 --> 3:29:32.040 like two hundred and sixteen votes in favor of five 3:29:32.080 --> 3:29:35.440 against and three abstentions. So among bishops, which is to 3:29:35.480 --> 3:29:38.840 sink from cardinals like this is this is almost universal, right, 3:29:38.959 --> 3:29:42.680 and yet given that our vice president has made being 3:29:42.959 --> 3:29:46.120 an adult convert to Catholicism a large part of his 3:29:46.240 --> 3:29:50.840 personality embarrassing. Yeah, this is like, it is remarkable. It's 3:29:50.840 --> 3:29:54.200 worth paying attention to. Also, I think when I talk 3:29:54.320 --> 3:29:56.840 to migrants specifically, like when I was in the Darien 3:29:56.959 --> 3:30:00.400 Gap talking to migrants, their faith is massively important to 3:30:00.480 --> 3:30:03.680 so many and a lot of people, especially coming from 3:30:04.120 --> 3:30:07.560 South Central America, will be Catholic, right, and that is 3:30:07.640 --> 3:30:10.000 what propels them through, and so for them to feel 3:30:10.040 --> 3:30:12.680 that the Church has not abandoned them, it is important 3:30:12.680 --> 3:30:15.199 to them. Yeah. The thing when I speak to people 3:30:15.320 --> 3:30:18.080 now who are here, the thing that they want more 3:30:18.160 --> 3:30:21.320 than anything is a priest to come to their hearing, 3:30:21.680 --> 3:30:24.680 to their meeting with them. That is what makes them 3:30:24.760 --> 3:30:27.520 feel safe. And so I am happy that the Church 3:30:27.680 --> 3:30:29.080 is continuing to try and make them. 3:30:28.959 --> 3:30:31.840 Feel safe, because yeah, what what else are you going 3:30:31.920 --> 3:30:32.040 to do? 3:30:32.840 --> 3:30:33.000 Right? 3:30:33.200 --> 3:30:35.840 Yeah, well we've we're trying everything else, and it's not worth. 3:30:35.760 --> 3:30:39.640 Yeah, I defer to what will make the person being 3:30:39.800 --> 3:30:43.320 victimized feel better and basically all instances, and if it's 3:30:43.320 --> 3:30:45.960 having a priest along, then I'm glad the priest is there. 3:30:46.360 --> 3:30:48.800 Yeah, and I am am happy that this is something 3:30:48.840 --> 3:30:51.000 that can make them feel safer because, you. 3:30:51.040 --> 3:30:53.000 Know, critical support to the Catholic Church. 3:30:53.080 --> 3:30:55.039 Yeah, yeah, very critical. 3:30:55.440 --> 3:30:58.640 Well, the critical part I think. I think the other 3:30:58.720 --> 3:31:01.960 thing is worth noting that the same conference also voted 3:31:02.200 --> 3:31:06.000 to have an official ban on any gender affirming Catholic hospitals, 3:31:06.040 --> 3:31:08.600 which is like one in seven of all people in 3:31:08.640 --> 3:31:12.320 the US get their care at Catholic hospitals because there's 3:31:12.320 --> 3:31:16.400 a million of them, so critical. Yeah, yeah, like lots 3:31:16.480 --> 3:31:21.160 of they're not Yeah, look there they are no Protestants. Okay. 3:31:21.360 --> 3:31:24.360 It does feel bad to have so much Catholic praise 3:31:24.400 --> 3:31:28.160 on the show, but you know, I will swallow my 3:31:28.280 --> 3:31:29.280 Protestant prizes. 3:31:29.400 --> 3:31:33.000 Yeah. I'm neither a Catholic nor Protestant, but I'm glad 3:31:33.560 --> 3:31:34.279 this is happening. 3:31:34.320 --> 3:31:36.600 You're British, yes, so you. 3:31:40.800 --> 3:31:42.400 Do we do Catholicism without popes. 3:31:42.680 --> 3:31:44.800 I think we should have popes without Catholicism. 3:31:44.920 --> 3:31:45.080 Yeah. 3:31:45.320 --> 3:31:48.199 See that's interesting, Robert, that's an interesting idea. 3:31:48.760 --> 3:31:52.800 That's Discordianism. Oh yeah, well, yeah, that's kind of. 3:31:52.800 --> 3:31:55.760 The least interesting version, a real kind of non Catholic 3:31:55.920 --> 3:31:59.320 like clerical class. Anyway, I'm gonna put this down in 3:31:59.400 --> 3:32:03.920 my my I FI novel Volder, you know is a. 3:32:04.040 --> 3:32:08.320 Forum of you know, just amount Adam just just just 3:32:08.440 --> 3:32:13.039 gradually reduced the volume we're going to get. We're back 3:32:13.120 --> 3:32:15.640 to Immigocehen. We did learn this week that the Department 3:32:15.680 --> 3:32:19.400 of Home ad Security secretly and illegally kept domestic data 3:32:19.480 --> 3:32:23.560 on nine hundred Chicago Land residents under Biden, just in 3:32:23.640 --> 3:32:26.160 case anyone was wondering what they were doing before people 3:32:26.200 --> 3:32:30.760 started paying attention to them. They also quote irrevocably destroyed 3:32:30.840 --> 3:32:33.560 video from inside a broad View, which is an ice 3:32:33.640 --> 3:32:37.880 tendin facility in Chicago Land. Yeah, of course I'm not 3:32:38.240 --> 3:32:40.960 shocked by that. I will say, like I would have 3:32:41.000 --> 3:32:43.119 been shocked if that had happened under a previous administration. 3:32:43.240 --> 3:32:45.040 Put it that way, like, it's not massively out of 3:32:45.160 --> 3:32:47.800 character for them to be incompetent at soaring and this 3:32:47.959 --> 3:32:52.680 kind of thing. And Ken Paxton has attempted to sue 3:32:52.800 --> 3:32:56.880 Harris County, a place in Texas, for donating not to 3:32:57.000 --> 3:33:01.959 nonprofits to provide a legal aid to migrants. He has 3:33:02.080 --> 3:33:05.560 some justification to this, which is theodocorous. But I'm just 3:33:05.640 --> 3:33:08.959 going to name a few of the NGOs here Gals 3:33:09.000 --> 3:33:13.080 and Houston Immigrant Representation Project, Kids in Needed Defense, Justice 3:33:13.080 --> 3:33:19.640 for All Immigrants, but Disis and Baker Ripley. Yeah, this does, 3:33:20.240 --> 3:33:23.840 I think show part of the strategy which we saw 3:33:24.040 --> 3:33:26.840 and we have seen since twenty eighteen. Right like you'll 3:33:26.879 --> 3:33:29.560 remember that let's of Engio volunteers and twenty eighteen were 3:33:29.560 --> 3:33:31.880 placed on a watch list, as were many journalists for 3:33:31.959 --> 3:33:36.400 crossing to cover the migrant caravan. But this idea that 3:33:36.720 --> 3:33:41.160 the NGOs are quote aiding and a vetting is a 3:33:41.200 --> 3:33:44.440 phrase you always see, right like that that somehow people 3:33:44.480 --> 3:33:47.760 would come here if it wasn't for NGOs. Often this 3:33:47.879 --> 3:33:50.879 takes on a specific form of blaming one NGO, which 3:33:50.959 --> 3:33:54.840 is highest orus Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society rate, and. 3:33:54.920 --> 3:33:57.440 We sire one guess as to why they blame that one. 3:33:57.680 --> 3:34:01.560 Yeah, it's like repeat guest of the show Anti Semitism 3:34:01.680 --> 3:34:05.320 coming back again, which resulted directly in the in the 3:34:05.360 --> 3:34:08.080 Tree of Life shooting, right like, this is of that 3:34:08.280 --> 3:34:11.120 same intellectual family of thought. I guess that is what 3:34:11.240 --> 3:34:14.080 I will say as Ludacris. People come here because their 3:34:14.160 --> 3:34:18.920 lives are not Liverpool, where they're at. That's what I 3:34:18.959 --> 3:34:20.279 got played, play the song. 3:34:24.240 --> 3:34:33.000 Rocky jazz, righty jazz, Sorry, rocky jazz. 3:34:33.640 --> 3:34:34.279 Rocky. 3:34:36.640 --> 3:34:41.200 All right, So there is actually a surprising amount of 3:34:41.520 --> 3:34:45.160 tariff news. All right, the tariff freebate checks. Are we 3:34:45.320 --> 3:34:50.400 getting terrorff freebate checks? I think probably not? So what 3:34:50.640 --> 3:34:53.560 is this? Trump started talking about this on November eighth 3:34:53.840 --> 3:35:00.360 on True Social USA. Today he truthed, she used to 3:35:00.400 --> 3:35:03.720 call it truth. I am recommending to Senate Republicans that 3:35:03.760 --> 3:35:05.920 the hundreds of billions of dollars is the hundreds of 3:35:05.959 --> 3:35:09.400 billions are capitalized for reasons that are baffling, currently being 3:35:09.520 --> 3:35:13.160 sent to money sucking insurance companies in order to save 3:35:13.280 --> 3:35:17.080 the bad healthcare provided by Obamacare be directly sent to 3:35:17.320 --> 3:35:19.600 the people so that they can purchase their own healthcare, 3:35:19.959 --> 3:35:24.200 their own much better health care. And so originally this 3:35:24.360 --> 3:35:26.160 was going to be like a two thousand dollars thing 3:35:26.240 --> 3:35:29.720 to your health savings account from tariff proceeds or something. 3:35:30.240 --> 3:35:33.040 And then the second time he stopped talking about the 3:35:33.040 --> 3:35:34.640 health savings account stuff, and he was just saying a 3:35:34.720 --> 3:35:38.320 two thousand dollars check the USA today. The piece notes 3:35:38.360 --> 3:35:40.880 that the Secretary of the Treasury, Scott Bessett, said and 3:35:40.959 --> 3:35:44.760 ABC News on November ninth, which was Sunday, that trust 3:35:45.000 --> 3:35:48.600 proposed tariff dividend could come in a lot of forms, 3:35:48.680 --> 3:35:51.040 adding it could just be the tax decreases that we 3:35:51.120 --> 3:35:53.880 are seeing on the president's agenda. No tax on tips, 3:35:53.959 --> 3:35:57.000 no tax in overtime, no taxes, social Security, deductibility of 3:35:57.040 --> 3:36:01.000 auto loans. He said, so those are subtance ancial deductions 3:36:01.000 --> 3:36:04.240 that are being financed to the tax bill. So he 3:36:04.280 --> 3:36:07.760 apparently like hadn't heard any of this is what it 3:36:07.840 --> 3:36:11.120 seems like. And then a few days later this was 3:36:11.200 --> 3:36:15.240 this was yesterday. On Wednesday the twelfth, Caroline Levitt used 3:36:15.280 --> 3:36:19.440 the ghoulish press secretary said that Trump is quote committed 3:36:19.520 --> 3:36:22.600 to the payments, So who knows. You can't call her 3:36:22.720 --> 3:36:25.280 ghoulish just because she's a twenty seven year old woman 3:36:25.280 --> 3:36:28.720 who looks like that, Yeah, that's not cool. Hey, you 3:36:28.720 --> 3:36:30.400 know what, we're not gonna're going We're not gonna do this. 3:36:30.480 --> 3:36:33.480 But she she is ghoulish, not because she looks like 3:36:33.560 --> 3:36:35.120 she's forty and she's just. 3:36:36.760 --> 3:36:37.760 Like a ghoul, but like. 3:36:39.280 --> 3:36:41.879 No, but like she also acts like a ghoul constantly, 3:36:41.959 --> 3:36:44.000 which is the actual thing that she is ghoulish for. 3:36:44.600 --> 3:36:48.160 Right, Every press secretary I've ever seen has made me 3:36:48.440 --> 3:36:53.040 so mad, Like the job of a press secretary is infuriating. 3:36:53.360 --> 3:36:55.160 Yeah, remember the sake bombs. 3:36:55.840 --> 3:36:58.760 Well, also like they've never been good. They also did 3:36:58.920 --> 3:37:01.160 used to be more normal than this, Like they didn't 3:37:01.200 --> 3:37:02.879 used to be this unhinted. 3:37:03.640 --> 3:37:05.760 Didn't bring him back. I feel like like like the 3:37:05.840 --> 3:37:08.000 first Trump had been moved a min a certain way. 3:37:09.879 --> 3:37:13.520 Too. It's just awful, terrible stuff. Didn't used to be 3:37:13.680 --> 3:37:15.440 like this. What are the few things I'll ever say 3:37:15.440 --> 3:37:18.040 that anyway? As you were saying, yeah, so so, she 3:37:18.160 --> 3:37:21.040 said that Trump is committed to the payments. I again, 3:37:21.440 --> 3:37:25.160 I don't think we're gonna see this, probably not definitely, 3:37:25.240 --> 3:37:28.440 don't plan on having x two thousand dollars. I think 3:37:28.520 --> 3:37:31.200 he's I think he's committed to the payments as much 3:37:31.200 --> 3:37:33.680 as he is his like first or second wife. Yeah, 3:37:33.720 --> 3:37:36.840 which is not much so. The second, the second incredibly 3:37:36.879 --> 3:37:40.520 important piece of tariff news is the pasta tariffs. The 3:37:40.560 --> 3:37:46.840 Department of Commerce seven percent pasta tariffs on imported Italian pasta. 3:37:49.240 --> 3:37:49.720 Garrison. 3:37:50.680 --> 3:37:51.560 The first tariff. 3:37:53.280 --> 3:37:56.280 It's still available. You can still get your mac. 3:37:56.640 --> 3:37:56.800 You know. 3:37:57.080 --> 3:37:57.560 It's okay. 3:37:58.560 --> 3:38:01.320 As as as the Guardian that most pasta in the 3:38:01.520 --> 3:38:04.119 US is made in the US, so it's not really 3:38:04.160 --> 3:38:07.680 affected by those cares. Yeah, hold hold on, let me 3:38:07.760 --> 3:38:09.720 let me allow me to finish the sentence hears in, 3:38:09.879 --> 3:38:16.360 I will address t hu. So it's it's mostly just gluten. 3:38:16.520 --> 3:38:20.840 It's mostly gluten free pasta. And also like imported fancy pasta, 3:38:20.920 --> 3:38:23.520 which is like nice little pasta, Well fancy is a 3:38:23.560 --> 3:38:26.080 bit of okay, it's like two dollars more. 3:38:26.160 --> 3:38:29.680 Okay, attack some pretension, you know, and. 3:38:29.800 --> 3:38:31.600 So this but this sucks for people who like pasta, 3:38:31.680 --> 3:38:33.760 that's good. And also for people who ARESI to gluten 3:38:33.879 --> 3:38:35.520 or who just are trying to reduce the amount of 3:38:35.520 --> 3:38:38.040 gluten they're eating for diabetic reasons, et cetera, et cetera. 3:38:38.800 --> 3:38:42.720 That all really sucks. In that same piece, Yeah, that 3:38:42.760 --> 3:38:47.640 same Guardian piece, the unbelievably named Scott ketch Him, who 3:38:47.760 --> 3:38:50.320 is the founder of like an artismal. 3:38:52.040 --> 3:38:54.720 Ketch him is the real last name. That's why the 3:38:54.840 --> 3:38:56.080 Pokemon game is. 3:38:57.920 --> 3:38:59.120 Idah Scott. 3:39:00.680 --> 3:39:03.560 I don't understand why ketchup is funny? Why catch them funny? 3:39:03.600 --> 3:39:05.040 Did you not play the Pokemon you too. 3:39:07.000 --> 3:39:07.040 No. 3:39:08.720 --> 3:39:11.080 Also, also, it's so close to being ketchup, and I 3:39:11.120 --> 3:39:13.800 think about, Okay, you have Italian pasta. 3:39:13.879 --> 3:39:16.800 Whatever, Okay, you put ketchup on Italian pasta? 3:39:17.080 --> 3:39:19.880 Interesting? No, but do you know who does do this? 3:39:20.280 --> 3:39:22.760 Chinese hotels. In two thousand and nine the thing I 3:39:22.879 --> 3:39:25.280 discovered when they, for some reason fed us tried to 3:39:25.320 --> 3:39:27.360 feed us American food instead of feeding us Chinese food, 3:39:27.440 --> 3:39:31.119 and dear god, awfweeds zeroto test. 3:39:31.200 --> 3:39:34.040 My favorite thing in any foreign country is when they're like, 3:39:34.320 --> 3:39:37.560 I know what you want, American food. You came to 3:39:37.680 --> 3:39:40.000 Grease to eat it, TGI Fridays, didn't you. 3:39:40.560 --> 3:39:42.119 Burger is all over Berlin. 3:39:42.959 --> 3:39:46.800 Burger's not America, bug right. 3:39:46.760 --> 3:39:49.080 And it is now. I feel like he'd be disappointed, 3:39:49.160 --> 3:39:51.440 Carson if you knew how many people in continental Europe 3:39:51.520 --> 3:39:54.640 or eating pasta and ketch up on a daily basis. 3:39:55.280 --> 3:39:56.440 Ye that brown sugar. 3:39:56.720 --> 3:39:59.560 Yeah, Europeans are. Europeans are obviously sick. 3:40:00.080 --> 3:40:01.040 You've been to Belgium? 3:40:01.240 --> 3:40:02.680 Yeah that's wrong, I have Yeah. 3:40:02.920 --> 3:40:06.640 Okay, locking locking back in, locking back in on the 3:40:06.680 --> 3:40:11.000 post anarchist cafe was closed two pm. Those lazy word God, 3:40:12.040 --> 3:40:13.840 look a look at the conditions that I happened to 3:40:14.040 --> 3:40:16.360 with everyon dimentioned inflation. Out got the inflation. Joe Kerry 3:40:16.360 --> 3:40:20.240 Tymer's trying to finish it as a pasta. God, okay, 3:40:20.720 --> 3:40:25.600 finishing this. Scott Ketchum agrees that the manufacturers will quote 3:40:25.640 --> 3:40:28.320 take advantage of the news and slightly raise their prices. 3:40:28.360 --> 3:40:31.520 That's just business, he said, So this actually probably will 3:40:31.640 --> 3:40:35.240 increase pasta prices across the board because the US is 3:40:35.280 --> 3:40:37.359 as a justification for raising prices. 3:40:37.440 --> 3:40:40.480 Canonically, how old is ashketching? I'm trying to work out 3:40:40.480 --> 3:40:41.959 of this as a sibling, since. 3:40:42.040 --> 3:40:48.080 It's been like thirteen for no, but he's been thirteen 3:40:48.160 --> 3:40:49.959 for these entirely, Like. 3:40:50.080 --> 3:40:52.520 So we can think siblings more than parents. 3:40:52.920 --> 3:40:53.680 Fstein's dream. 3:40:54.320 --> 3:40:57.360 Yeah okay, Ash Kirchen's brother put it in the law. 3:40:57.400 --> 3:40:59.640 Oh my god, okay, okay. Two more things. Two more 3:40:59.680 --> 3:41:02.000 things that I had to get there, I spread to god. Okay. 3:41:02.120 --> 3:41:04.480 One fifty year mortgage. Trump has become obsessed with the 3:41:04.520 --> 3:41:10.200 idea of fifty year mortgages. Just an idea, so unhinged 3:41:10.560 --> 3:41:15.680 I have any Republicans talk about positively. The mortgage industry 3:41:15.920 --> 3:41:18.000 is like, don't do this. This is a bad idea. 3:41:19.000 --> 3:41:20.920 I'm not going to read the full paragraph I had 3:41:20.959 --> 3:41:23.080 here from CNN, but you know, CNN did a very 3:41:23.120 --> 3:41:26.440 basic calculation of instead of a thirty year fixed mortgage, 3:41:26.440 --> 3:41:30.400 a fifty year fixed mortgage. So the basically their calculation 3:41:30.520 --> 3:41:32.480 on like a four hundred and fifty thousand dollars house 3:41:32.640 --> 3:41:35.080 was that you would save about three hundred dollars a 3:41:35.120 --> 3:41:38.040 month technically, but over the course of the loan, instead 3:41:38.080 --> 3:41:42.160 of spending about five hundred and fifty thousand dollars in interest, 3:41:42.200 --> 3:41:44.119 you would spend a million dollars in interest. 3:41:44.560 --> 3:41:47.800 And yeah, that's that we save money, But give me 3:41:47.920 --> 3:41:49.400 half a million dollars to the bank. 3:41:49.680 --> 3:41:52.040 Well, hey, you're not even talking about the fifteen year 3:41:52.120 --> 3:41:52.800 auto loans. 3:41:53.720 --> 3:41:57.640 Yeah, everyone who. 3:41:57.560 --> 3:41:59.879 Buys a Kiya can trust that it will keep working 3:42:00.080 --> 3:42:01.000 for fifteen years. 3:42:01.160 --> 3:42:02.840 He's gonna say he's. 3:42:03.480 --> 3:42:06.880 Worn't lasting fifty years. They're made like cardboard, right, Like 3:42:06.959 --> 3:42:07.280 they're just. 3:42:07.320 --> 3:42:10.640 Kind of more than twice the value of the house 3:42:10.720 --> 3:42:11.360 in interest. 3:42:12.520 --> 3:42:16.800 Yeah, make America affordable again. Yeah, okay, unbelievable. And then 3:42:16.840 --> 3:42:19.520 finally I want to close with what is actually going 3:42:19.560 --> 3:42:21.879 on with the jobs and inflation numbers for October because 3:42:21.879 --> 3:42:23.320 I think people are getting a lot of very bad 3:42:23.360 --> 3:42:25.640 information about this, I mean, and it's not their fault. 3:42:26.120 --> 3:42:30.080 It's again because the Democrats shutdown made it impossible to 3:42:30.120 --> 3:42:32.560 get any reliable data. So now we can never have 3:42:32.720 --> 3:42:33.480 data ever again. 3:42:34.200 --> 3:42:36.640 Yeah, so okay, okay, so let's let's let let's let 3:42:36.760 --> 3:42:38.119 let's go into like what is it? What is actually 3:42:38.160 --> 3:42:41.480 going on here? So on Wednesday, Caroline Levitt said that 3:42:41.600 --> 3:42:45.000 we might not ever get October the October jobs and 3:42:45.080 --> 3:42:49.840 inflation data. Oops. So however, Comma, I'm sure this numbers 3:42:49.879 --> 3:42:51.440 would have been fine. Comma. 3:42:51.560 --> 3:42:54.040 Let's spirit Halloween bump would have been huge, Comma. 3:42:54.160 --> 3:42:58.680 On Thursday, National Economic Council Director Kevin Hassett, who, by 3:42:58.720 --> 3:43:00.600 the way, is the guy who's whole thing is that 3:43:00.680 --> 3:43:03.880 he wants to he wants to impose taxes on holding 3:43:04.040 --> 3:43:07.920 US bonds, the worst maybe the only idea I've ever seen, 3:43:09.320 --> 3:43:13.680 fifty year mortgage astonishingly bad ideas. But he said on 3:43:13.800 --> 3:43:16.760 Fox News this is today as day of recording, said 3:43:16.800 --> 3:43:18.400 on Fox News that we're going to get some of 3:43:18.520 --> 3:43:21.080 the data, but the data we're supposed to get is 3:43:21.520 --> 3:43:23.920 very weird. Now, so this is the September data we're 3:43:23.920 --> 3:43:26.440 supposed to get next week because that was already recorded 3:43:26.480 --> 3:43:30.120 before the before they got mention. Right, Yeah, and there 3:43:30.280 --> 3:43:34.120 is legitimately even in a sort of not if a 3:43:34.280 --> 3:43:36.720 normal Bureau of Labor Statistics was trying to get these 3:43:36.720 --> 3:43:39.840 statistics out, it would be a little difficult for them. However, 3:43:40.480 --> 3:43:44.200 come we're only getting the jobs added numbers and not 3:43:44.440 --> 3:43:45.879 the job lost numbers. 3:43:46.320 --> 3:43:50.600 Oh wow, what a great strategy. 3:43:51.240 --> 3:43:53.120 So yeah, I'm sure that I'm sure that number is fine. 3:43:53.160 --> 3:43:56.920 I'm sure it's not negative seventy thousand jobs or something. 3:43:57.400 --> 3:44:00.200 Yeah. Right, and you know, and apparently, let's be as 3:44:00.200 --> 3:44:03.120 the survey the collected information never went out, and I 3:44:03.800 --> 3:44:06.000 mean it probably didn't because of the shutdown, but also 3:44:06.240 --> 3:44:09.320 like you could, you could work this out, they're just 3:44:09.400 --> 3:44:12.440 not doing it. We talked a few months ago about 3:44:12.440 --> 3:44:14.680 Trump's attempt to take over the Buer of Labor Statistics, 3:44:15.120 --> 3:44:18.360 which with his attempt to install the hideously incompetent Heritage 3:44:18.360 --> 3:44:20.800 Foundation economists and I use that term very loosely here, 3:44:21.280 --> 3:44:23.480 uh EJ and TONI and Trump was actually forced to 3:44:23.600 --> 3:44:26.080 like pull back on installing this guys ahead of a 3:44:26.080 --> 3:44:28.360 Buera of Labor Satistics. So it's being run by the 3:44:28.440 --> 3:44:31.440 interim head and has been for a long time now. 3:44:32.280 --> 3:44:34.959 But it seems like A there's conflicting information going out 3:44:35.000 --> 3:44:37.119 and B it does seem like Trump has been able 3:44:37.160 --> 3:44:39.400 to get a decent amount of control over the beer 3:44:39.440 --> 3:44:42.880 of libor Sitistics, which is supposed to be a nonpartisan 3:44:42.959 --> 3:44:46.280 body that just releases the data because everyone in the 3:44:46.400 --> 3:44:49.240 entire capitals economy reclied relies on it. And it is 3:44:49.400 --> 3:44:52.160 possible that this is that we have already gotten our 3:44:52.280 --> 3:44:55.240 last unbrigged like beeer of labor statistics reports. I mean, 3:44:55.280 --> 3:44:57.760 I can't confirm that they're straight up breaking it. And 3:44:57.840 --> 3:45:01.040 it's also possible that oh, well, this wasn't the product 3:45:01.080 --> 3:45:03.360 of that, and we are going to get some of 3:45:03.520 --> 3:45:06.400 the data like we are supposed to get inflation numbers 3:45:08.040 --> 3:45:10.160 by it's not good. Oops. 3:45:11.200 --> 3:45:17.959 Well to end on some good news, I guess. On Monday, 3:45:18.200 --> 3:45:21.160 this Supreme Court rejected a call to overturn or here 3:45:21.200 --> 3:45:26.480 it's a previous ruling on legalizing same sex marriage nation wide. 3:45:27.200 --> 3:45:29.000 So this is where this is where they're this is 3:45:29.040 --> 3:45:31.880 where they're drawing the line right now? Is this I 3:45:32.000 --> 3:45:34.560 think I think I did predict this a few months 3:45:34.600 --> 3:45:37.320 ago and in which people got a little bit mad 3:45:37.360 --> 3:45:38.959 at me for saying that I didn't think they were 3:45:39.040 --> 3:45:41.720 going to pick this one up another w in the 3:45:41.760 --> 3:45:44.000 Ghar column. But I think it is fairly interesting that 3:45:44.080 --> 3:45:48.560 this is this is the point in which they're like, nah, nah, 3:45:48.640 --> 3:45:50.720 it's not worth it. Like this, this is more settled 3:45:50.760 --> 3:45:53.800 to them than even the abortion thing was. I think 3:45:54.120 --> 3:45:56.800 I think some of the general like economic issues, shows 3:45:56.840 --> 3:45:58.960 that there is not a real desire for pushing on 3:45:59.080 --> 3:46:03.320 this right now, based on you know, gestures broadly at 3:46:03.360 --> 3:46:05.760 other economy stuff and some of the some of the 3:46:05.920 --> 3:46:09.600 some of the anti woke fuel maybe maybe running out 3:46:09.760 --> 3:46:12.760 as the as the economic situation becomes more and more 3:46:13.560 --> 3:46:18.560 dire dire, right Like, how much longer can the Republicans 3:46:18.680 --> 3:46:21.840 just scream about trans people as they're ruining the economy? 3:46:21.920 --> 3:46:23.200 Do you think that's going to still work for them 3:46:23.240 --> 3:46:24.119 in twenty twenty six? 3:46:24.959 --> 3:46:25.320 Maybe not. 3:46:25.560 --> 3:46:27.240 They might be scared that they've put all of their 3:46:27.320 --> 3:46:29.760 eggs in this whole anti wok culture basket, and now 3:46:29.800 --> 3:46:32.160 that they're in charge and the country's still getting worse, 3:46:32.240 --> 3:46:35.040 they're like, well, I wonder if we can replay that 3:46:35.200 --> 3:46:35.920 card again or not. 3:46:36.959 --> 3:46:39.120 As a final economy note, I want to note that 3:46:39.280 --> 3:46:44.600 soft Bank sold all of their shares in Nvidia Share. 3:46:44.680 --> 3:46:47.000 Don't worry about it, It's part of regular stalk rotation. 3:46:47.120 --> 3:46:50.920 It's fine. These are the biggest rubes who have ever existed, 3:46:51.280 --> 3:46:52.560 have come rid of all of. 3:46:54.720 --> 3:46:55.199 Shits. 3:46:55.840 --> 3:46:58.039 These are These are the we work guide. 3:46:59.760 --> 3:47:05.600 Whole on the bag for rework, Yes, which I mean? 3:47:05.640 --> 3:47:08.120 Does that mean that they're they're getting out too early 3:47:08.480 --> 3:47:11.680 of hey I or does it mean that, uh, they're 3:47:12.000 --> 3:47:14.080 hesitant their gun shy enough that they got out just 3:47:14.200 --> 3:47:14.480 in time. 3:47:14.800 --> 3:47:17.160 We'll see who can say we. 3:47:17.280 --> 3:47:19.480 Reported the new scarce. I'm stealing your line this week? 3:47:19.680 --> 3:47:22.640 Why we all stole that line from a terrible man. 3:47:23.240 --> 3:47:27.680 You haven't seen the Newsroom, It's stolen valor. Yep, great show. 3:47:28.720 --> 3:47:31.480 I would love a new season of the Newsroom where 3:47:31.520 --> 3:47:35.160 he works for some like bullshit like Internet News company. 3:47:35.320 --> 3:47:38.200 He's like he's like a substacker and he has like 3:47:38.280 --> 3:47:44.840 a home studio. Oh oh top ten list, Yeah God, 3:47:44.879 --> 3:47:45.480 I would love that. 3:47:46.760 --> 3:47:49.840 Would super big in it. But they don't ever make 3:47:49.879 --> 3:47:50.800 a direct point of it. 3:47:50.920 --> 3:47:53.880 It just becomes like subtly obvious, like oh wow, this 3:47:54.080 --> 3:47:57.080 this is a guy who's bought into some weird conspiracy theories. Sure, 3:47:57.600 --> 3:48:00.360 I I was thinking because I mentioned it came out 3:48:00.360 --> 3:48:01.520 the same year as True Detective. 3:48:01.640 --> 3:48:03.480 I would like a new season of The news Room. 3:48:04.520 --> 3:48:06.920 That's a crossover with the first season of True Detective, 3:48:07.520 --> 3:48:10.680 where we get Woody Harrelson and we get that British 3:48:10.760 --> 3:48:13.920 lady all all in the same room together. It'll be great. 3:48:14.040 --> 3:48:16.400 They would be a nasty combo. I mentionined, ho, which 3:48:16.440 --> 3:48:18.440 fucked up shit they could get up to it be awful? 3:48:19.680 --> 3:48:20.120 Awful? 3:48:20.920 --> 3:48:23.480 Hell yeah, well we're not even on the air anymore. 3:48:23.680 --> 3:48:24.760 Oh no, we're still in the air. 3:48:25.440 --> 3:48:26.400 Well I stopped re borning. 3:48:27.280 --> 3:48:28.280 We reported the news. 3:48:28.360 --> 3:48:34.800 We reported the news. 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