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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let

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Speaker 2: you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode

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Speaker 2: of the week that just happened is here in one

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Speaker 2: convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to

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Speaker 2: listen to in a long stretch if you want. If

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Speaker 2: you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be nothing new here for you, but

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Speaker 2: you can make your own decisions.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to it could happen here a podcast. We're in

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Speaker 3: the wake of mom Dommy's victory. We are revising the

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Speaker 3: old twenty sixteen slogan, eat your pheasants, drink your wine.

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Speaker 3: Your days are numbered, bourgeois swine. I am your host,

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Speaker 3: Mio Wong, with Rius Garrison Davis looking unhappy.

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Speaker 4: Well, this is actually the new mandatory greeting in New

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Speaker 4: York has to read yes yesterday, yeah, instead of saying

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Speaker 4: hi on the subway or just trying to avoid each other.

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Speaker 4: We have to all recite this now. It's pretty crazy.

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Speaker 3: FDR used to call the US the forty eight States

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Speaker 3: the Soviet of Seattle, and I have I haven't quite

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Speaker 3: figured out what the version.

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Speaker 4: Of that for New York is yet but no, no,

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Speaker 4: the New York City nationalism really is a thing. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 4: even if the country falls, I think I think New

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Speaker 1: See.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I'm having to temper my sort of Chicago in

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Speaker 3: not even reflexive. Bye bye bye, incredibly well thought out

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Speaker 3: in detailed thoughts of electoralism and so so so today today,

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Speaker 3: if I have to cover electoralism positively, we're doing this

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Speaker 3: in sports format. Oh we are, we are. We are

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Speaker 3: looking at what's been going on with the reaction to

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Speaker 3: mom Donnie's when we are fully we are fully doing

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Speaker 3: winners and losers. It's gonna be great. We're gonna have

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm still traumatized from the World Series, so

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Speaker 4: I don't really appreciate the sports framing. I actually the

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Speaker 4: World's World Series Game seven. I was watching it at

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Speaker 4: to a different bar because I knew Zoron was doing

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Speaker 4: the World Series finale, so I missed the last thirty minutes.

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Speaker 4: I had to leave during the ninth inning when the

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Speaker 4: Blue Jays were still ahead.

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Speaker 3: Oh no. And then and then in transport the Dodgers tie.

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Speaker 3: They did two extra innings and then one, and it

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Speaker 3: was devastating. And then I saw Bom Donnie dancing at

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Speaker 3: a gay club like ten minutes later. It was serious, gracious,

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Speaker 3: You're welcome, welcome to being a Seattle Mariners fan. This

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Speaker 3: is this is why, yes, all the time for us,

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Speaker 3: everything well.

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Speaker 4: Aware, No, of course I I what I'm not cheering

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Speaker 3: So I know again, the only way to survive this

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Speaker 3: is to become a truly transcendent, true Mariners fan, where

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Speaker 3: you are not in this for winning and losing. You

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Speaker 3: were in this for the fact that we had a

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Speaker 3: guy whose name was Big Dumper because his ass was

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Speaker 3: that's what you're in this game for. Okay, Okay, we're

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Speaker 3: gonna turn this around. We're gonna turn this around. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna actually start with winners with I think the most

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Speaker 3: serious thing that we're going to do today not a

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Speaker 3: high bar. Yeah, not a high bar. But I think

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Speaker 3: in the words of the great John Boyce, this moment

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Speaker 3: belongs to her. And that's Lindsay Bolan, who was the

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Speaker 3: first woman to accuse Cuomo of sexual harassment, who is

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Speaker 3: one of the bravest women I've ever seen. And she's

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Speaker 3: having a great time. That's good. There's a bunch of

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Speaker 3: happy it rocks. She's yeah, she's just she's just having

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Speaker 4: This is this is like a dual pronged moment, right.

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Speaker 4: One prong is just seeing Andrew Cuomo get completely humiliated

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Speaker 4: for the second time in a row. Yes, and then

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Speaker 4: the whole, the whole you know, like perspective hope of

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Speaker 4: get absolutely decimated. Right if there was if there was

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Speaker 3: I guess yeah. And I want to read a quote

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Speaker 3: she had this great line from this, this piece and

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Speaker 3: the Independent, uh that was titled we will beat these

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Speaker 3: the original primary win. I hope every woman who has

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Speaker 3: we will beat these monsters. New Yorker said no more

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Speaker 3: to Andrew Cuomo, and that is just remarkable. And this

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Speaker 4: Fuck him, especially Cuomo, who ran his campaign. I'll be like,

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Speaker 4: it's dangerous to be a woman on the subway, and

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Speaker 3: Whole, like law and order.

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Speaker 4: New York is a dangerous, scary place to live because

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Speaker 4: there's predators out there. It was like a main part

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Speaker 3: Yeah, eleven eleven women came forward like that's remarkable, astounding,

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Speaker 3: and you know this is hopefully this is this is

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Speaker 3: the beginning of many, many, many defeats that these fucking

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Speaker 4: Hopefully the last defeat for Cuombo, but for others of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, these there are there are many, many people

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Speaker 3: This rocks. So that that's that's winner number one, Winter

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Speaker 3: number two. People with child's people with childs. Wow, people

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Speaker 4: one of the few things on the Momdani platform that,

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Speaker 3: And you know there's Spike Lee who's having a great

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Speaker 3: it's great, that's good. Yeah. Renters also good. Yeah, people

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Speaker 3: people who live in rent stabilized apartments getting not the

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Speaker 3: built good good things, good things. People who buy food.

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Speaker 3: When I say people who buy food, right, you would

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Speaker 3: motherfuckers have not set foot in a grocery store in

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Speaker 3: a decade. There really, truly is a classified between people

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Speaker 4: you and not do any of that work yourself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, so we have that, we have.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think that there's there's a sort of

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Speaker 3: the losers with Laura Ingram. Who the chevron on her show? Who? Who? Who?

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Speaker 4: Fox News host evil She's still on Fox News.

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Speaker 4: Which is the trust God God, I hope. So from

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Speaker 3: Good, it's the most There's a whole genre of this.

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Speaker 3: a very very weird Catholic who used to advocate Catholics

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Speaker 3: Please do that. Yeah, if you want to go argue

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Speaker 3: do this. Yeah, but like you know, douth of the

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Speaker 4: Cob humping the copium straight into my veins.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm. It's truly amazing stuff. I think it in

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Speaker 3: the just pure cope vein is Did you did you

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Speaker 3: see the Mike Cernovich post about this? No? No, Oh

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Speaker 3: my god. Okay, So I'm not gonna how do I

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Speaker 3: say this, I'm not gonna association us quote sweeting a

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Speaker 3: video that's just like it's like a five minute video

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Speaker 3: of like the Zetio whatever live stream of of the

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Speaker 3: after party, and it's just Cernavich is just going, this

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Speaker 3: is a rowdy, masculine environment. You can feel the energy

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Speaker 3: as the Heritage Foundation is putting members through a struggle

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Speaker 3: And then like that is that is happening right now.

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Speaker 4: We'll be doing a piece on the Heritage struggle sessions

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Speaker 4: probably later this week.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean these things just don't work anymore, like

436
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Speaker 4: they Yeah, you, Like I watched an interview with Jonathan Greenblatt,

437
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 4: the head of the ADL like Good Morning America, like

438
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 4: like talking about this and how they're establishing an anti

439
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Speaker 4: Semitism monitor to track the Zorn administration. And even like

440
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 4: the hosts of Good Morning America were like, come on, man,

441
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 4: Like that's not he's not he's not an anti se

442
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Speaker 4: Like he's he's against he's against the genocide of Gaza.

443
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 4: Like he's not. He's not like a Jew hating anti semi. Yeah,

444
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 4: and like they were even getting tired of green BLAT's

445
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 4: little like shtick and how he was constantly like performing

446
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 4: to the camera to try to get people to like,

447
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 4: I don't report incidents that then they'll add into this

448
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 4: into this monitor program, so they'll try to blame them

449
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 4: Amdani administration for not protecting Jews or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: This was on Mourning Joe on ms NBC not good

452
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Speaker 4: Morning America, My apologies.

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Speaker 3: This is also you know, if you want to talk

454
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Speaker 3: about another sort of category of losers, just like all

455
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 3: of the unhinged islamophobia. Oh yeah, like all the people

456
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 3: spreading that God annihilated. Yeah, just absolutely smash and like

457
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 3: and yeah, and you know it is worth saying. Yeah, like,

458
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 3: this was one of the most racist campaigns I have

459
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 3: ever seen, but that Andrew Cuomo sort of waged it

460
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 3: was oh yeah, just hideous, more racist than Trump versus

461
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 3: Kamala by far. Yeah, like exceptionally so, and done by

462
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: you Democrat establishment figures largely yep, man, just rancid and

463
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 3: they got their ass handed to them. And I think

464
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 3: that's good. There's a very very public level of exceptions

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Speaker 3: for soomophobia. You can just say the most homophobic shit

466
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Speaker 3: anyone's ever heard on TV and it's fine and no

467
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Speaker 3: one does anything. But also, like, people don't fucking like

468
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: that shit. It sucks, it's awful, and fuck these people.

469
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Speaker 3: And you know, I think this is sort of the

470
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Speaker 3: tide turning. Oh and speaking of the tide turning, Bill Ackmans,

471
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 3: as we've talked about on ED, bending the knee, saying

472
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Speaker 3: Congress they are on about dominy. Congrats on the wind.

473
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 3: Now you have a big responsibility if I could help

474
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Speaker 3: New York City, just let me know what I can do.

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Speaker 3: Very good. So to sort of close out this, like

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Speaker 3: the losers section, I want to turn there's a great

477
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Speaker 3: piece and defector about the people who've threatened to leave

478
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 3: New York City if Mom Donnie won and unfortunately reached

479
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 3: out for comment, none of them were actually leaving. It's

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Speaker 3: really sad because people don't want to leave the city.

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Speaker 4: It's a good city, which is the whole point of

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Speaker 4: Zorn's campaign was about how much the city is cool

483
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 4: and rocks and Cueobo's campaign was but how much it's

484
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Speaker 4: bad and scary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And unfortunately, tragically this does mean that you are

486
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Speaker 3: going to have to have Dave Portney and this whole

487
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 3: this whole crew of Barshel dipshits still in the city.

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Speaker 3: So good luck. I hope you appropriate them. I hope

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Speaker 3: they hope they have a bad time. Now I want

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Speaker 3: I want to move into my last category, which is

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Speaker 3: the sort of bad category. We got a kind of

492
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Speaker 3: wild Obama quote quote the future looks a little bit brighter.

493
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 3: It's a reminder that when we come together around strong,

494
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Speaker 3: forward looking leaders who care about the issues that matter,

495
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 3: we can win. It's a it's a very silly quote.

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Speaker 3: The odds that Obama personally had at least one person

497
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 3: on that campaign staff beaten dream occupy are very high.

498
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: Like it's it's really truly this moment of like, brother,

499
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 3: you spent so much time trying to make sure this

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00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 3: wouldn't happen, and you have failed, and now you're in

501
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: the like, I'm gonna do the Obama thing. We're like,

502
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 3: I'm the friend of all the young leaders, and I'm

503
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Speaker 3: going to give them the worst advice You've ever heard

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00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 3: in your entire life. I don't know, still still still

505
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: have never gone over Obama personally intervening to make sure

506
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Speaker 3: the NBA players didn't go on strike during the uprising.

507
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Speaker 3: Oh god, what of the one of the worst like

508
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Speaker 3: post presidents moments I've ever seen. I want to close

509
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Speaker 3: on Jamie Diamond, the CEO of JP Morgan Chase, who

510
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Speaker 3: when I sked what mont Donnie said quote he's a

511
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 3: young man, will he get good at it? I haven't

512
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Speaker 3: said about Muntdonmmie making and implementing good policies. I see

513
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 3: a lot of people in big jobs, including big political jobs,

514
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: they grow into it. I've seen a lot of people

515
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 3: they kind of swell into the job, they get worse,

516
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 3: they you know, all of it becomes about them. I'm

517
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 3: hoping he's the good one and that will be important

518
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 3: for the future in New York, he said, true, true,

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Speaker 3: and real.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 4: I mean, like there is a lot of this slow capitulation,

522
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 4: which you're even seeing with private comments from Trump that

523
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 4: are being leaked into reporting through the New York Times,

524
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 4: where in private Trump has called it mister mom Donnie

525
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Speaker 4: a slick and good talker and a talented politician, and

526
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 4: last Wednesday said that he might quote help him a

527
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Speaker 4: little bit maybe unquote, and that he wants New York

528
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Speaker 4: to succeed, which is, you know, contrary to like previous

529
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 4: threats of like pulling back all funding if I'm Donnie

530
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Speaker 4: gets elected.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

532
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Speaker 4: And I think part of part of this reaction is

533
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 4: both like how strong Zorn's victory is. We all like

534
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 4: know that Trump likes winners, but also the fact that

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Speaker 4: Zorn has like very quickly tried to establish dominance over

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Speaker 4: the president in some ways hm hmm, in a way

537
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 4: that like someone like Trump like kind of respects with

538
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 4: Mam Donnie positioning himself as like a legitimate, like adversarial

539
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 4: figure to Trump. Yeah, like right off the bat, And

540
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 4: there's a little bit of the Trumpian mind that actually

541
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 4: kind of appreciates that and thinks it's like cool and impressive.

542
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Speaker 3: During the first Trump administration that there was a whole

543
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: running theory that if you could get Trump in a

544
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 3: room with Hugo Chavez, you can make him a socialist

545
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 3: in like an hour, because he really does just repeat

546
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,239
Speaker 3: the last thing anyone in a room said to him.

547
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: So we're like, we're finally going to test the theory

548
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Speaker 3: of can we get a charismatic person in the room

549
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Speaker 3: with him and make him do stuff he would normally do?

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Speaker 4: And probably not, but you know, I mean, and like

551
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 4: the biggest thing right now is like the difference in

552
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 4: immigration policy.

553
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Speaker 3: But like Trump's from New York.

554
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 4: Trump knows how much New York is a city built

555
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 4: by and run by immigrants, Like he knows that when

556
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 4: Stephen Miller is like orchestrating all of his messaging, it's

557
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 4: like the worst of the worst of the anti immigrant stuff.

558
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Speaker 4: But I think in terms of Zorn's opposition to Trump,

559
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 4: primarily being with immigration. I think Trump understands how immigration

560
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 4: like rests very importantly into the identity of New York

561
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Speaker 4: and in which with that's like the main oppositional force.

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Speaker 4: I think Trump similarly well, is gonna understand where Mom

563
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Speaker 4: Dannie is coming from.

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Speaker 5: In a way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think I think we are going to

566
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Speaker 3: see like a particularly like Stephen Miller, Oh yeah, conflict

567
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: as this goes on.

568
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, because this is this is the perfect example of

569
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Speaker 4: stuff that Miller and people like Matt Walsh and like

570
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Speaker 4: the Great Replacement people have been talking about. And the

571
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Speaker 4: other huge batch of reactions that you're seeing from people

572
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Speaker 4: like Walsh is that this election only went this way

573
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Speaker 4: because of how many foreigners were allowed to vote in

574
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Speaker 4: New York.

575
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 5: Yeah.

576
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 4: If this election was done by true New Yorkers quote

577
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 4: unquote yep, then quota would have won. And looking there

578
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 4: results of this election, looking at how many immigrants voted,

579
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Speaker 4: people who have moved to New York in the past

580
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 4: ten years, past five years, Mam Donnie did very well

581
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Speaker 4: with with those groups.

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Speaker 3: You have a lot of these like.

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Speaker 4: Far right anti immigration people, yeah, pointing towards that as

584
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 4: being like, this is what we're trying to defend the

585
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 4: country against or else. All of our elections are going

586
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 4: to go like this unless we make sure that only

587
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Speaker 4: white Americans can vote.

588
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then and so there's there's that reaction, water

589
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: sign the other the the other reaction from roughly that

590
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: crowd is women cannot be allowed to vote.

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Speaker 4: Yes, which they also they also believe that like yeah, yeah,

592
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 4: this analysis obviously has faults, but it's it's even falling

593
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 4: apart in terms of like the young male vote. Yeah, yeah,

594
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 4: they got hammered, which the Republicans have, you know, have

595
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 4: been been very very excited about about how much you know,

596
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 4: young men are voting for the Republican Party. Right, young

597
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 4: young men are all Republican, even if young women are

598
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 4: all the Democrats. And you see in specifically this election

599
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 4: where mom Donnie is up forty percent with young men,

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Speaker 4: and the divide among men is mostly through age, with

601
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 4: older men going for Cuobo and millennials and gen Z

602
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 4: men swinging very strongly towards Mamdani. You have all these

603
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 4: like Democrat thinking trying to figure out how do we

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Speaker 4: attract the young male vote, how do we do this?

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Speaker 4: And you have a guy show you what kind of

606
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 4: policies what kind of messaging works exceedingly Well, Yeah, which

607
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 4: just happens when people tried so hard to kill that strategy,

608
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 4: and it's was proven twice in a row, first with

609
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Speaker 4: the primary and even more so with the general.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, that will frighten the GOP.

611
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 4: It'll frighten them seeing that young men will vote for

612
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 4: a democratic socialist if they actually have these policies and

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00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 4: you have this type of like solid messaging, they're not condescending,

614
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 4: and they candidate embodies like a new generation of change.

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00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 4: It's very threatening to the GOP and to establishment Democrats.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like, like I've see Steve Bannon's out here

617
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: being like, if he leaves in the midterms and leaves

618
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty eight, I'm going to prison, which from.

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Speaker 4: Your own here, So like, No, the biggest mistake the

620
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 4: Democrats made last time, well, there's many many big mistakes,

621
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Speaker 4: all right, Palestine being a huge one.

622
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Speaker 3: But I think a huge mistake they made.

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Speaker 4: It's not completely destroying Trump and his whole like cat's

624
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 4: ability to like exist in public life, like they he

625
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 4: Trump should have been immediately in prisoned for trying to

626
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Speaker 4: overthrow the government and basically set into a whole and

627
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 4: after that Supreme Court ruling on the presidential community, it

628
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 4: should have been taken out as like a national security threat.

629
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Speaker 4: Like Democrats cannot cannot play this like they go low,

630
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Speaker 4: we go high game anymore.

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Speaker 3: If we're going to get out of this, and it's

632
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Speaker 3: probably not given the Democrats, you do this, but like

633
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 3: are Nuremberg is going to have to make the original

634
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: Nuremberg look like paper clip.

635
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Speaker 4: Like, well, that's what the original Nuremburg was, the original Nuremberg.

636
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Speaker 3: Also see that we were are Neurmberg to Nurmberg harder?

637
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Speaker 3: I see, Yeah, I'm actually doing it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I really like Jacob Geller's video on Nuremberg, and

639
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 4: it is it is a nice emotional play to fall

640
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 4: back on in times of of torment. But I don't

641
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 4: think we're gonna Nuremberg ourselves out of this one. And

642
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 4: unfortunately I don't have a very strong solid alternative at

643
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 4: the moment. But at the very least Trump should have

644
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 4: been treated much much harsher after after January sixth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we can leave it as for now. Nuremberg to

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Speaker 3: Warren's an ascend into Nuremberg. Well, this has been a

647
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Speaker 3: gun happen here a rare, a rare, upbeat episode where

648
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Speaker 3: all of our enemies are having a very bad time.

649
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're also mad about uh Lena Kahan on the

650
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Speaker 4: transition team.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, very funny.

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Speaker 3: We're transit the comfort. He's actually a good looking man.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't need it.

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Speaker 4: He's actually he's actually figured it out.

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Speaker 3: I think. Anyway, we're ending here.

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Speaker 5: Hello, if you want to welcome to it could happen here?

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Speaker 5: A punk asked, where I have just been attacked for

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Speaker 5: my identity as a British person by my colleague Garrison Davis.

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Speaker 3: I gere it's going to happen again?

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Speaker 5: Really?

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Speaker 3: I never This podcast is not a safe space.

671
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Speaker 5: Not for British people. Sadly, many many such places for us,

672
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Speaker 5: including Britain, which is a country which is not doing

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Speaker 5: so well right now, the Britain is still very safe.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to talk about Britain today. I do, incidentally,

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Speaker 5: I guess because I grew up in a country that

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Speaker 5: has virtually no fucking public land. I mean in the commons.

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Speaker 3: Yes, actually kind of topical, Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 5: That is a question that actually and so earlier this

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Speaker 5: year in September, I was staying with which in people

680
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 5: who are indigenous to the Northern Alaskan, Interior Arctic and Subarctic,

681
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 5: and one of them was like, Hey, how did you

682
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Speaker 5: guys get so dislocated from your lands? One of my

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00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 5: friends who I was talking to, and it was a

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Speaker 5: really interesting question for me. Great because they have lived

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Speaker 5: on that same land for as long as human beings

686
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 5: have existed in the Americas, the twenty five thousand years

687
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 5: something like that. Like, the answer is the enclosure of

688
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 5: the commons, right, the answer is like proto capitalism is

689
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 5: what removed folks like me from the land and identifying

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Speaker 5: in a way that those people identify with the land.

691
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 5: But in the United States, we do have a little

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Speaker 5: bit or quite a lot actually of public land, right,

693
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Speaker 5: various different types of public land, various different land protections,

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Speaker 5: that anyone can go to where you don't have to

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Speaker 5: be in America or a citizen. Anyone can go to

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Speaker 5: public lands and enjoy them. Unfortunately, Utah Senator quote unquote

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Speaker 5: based Mike Lee is once again attempting to weaken protections

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Speaker 5: on wilderness, which will render some of the small parts

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Speaker 5: of the USA they have not been fundamentally damaged by

700
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Speaker 5: capitalism permanently and irrevocably changed. Are you familiar with Mike Lee. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: he's the senator from Utah, the Senator from Utah. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and he's based as you have said, Yes, he's based, right,

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Speaker 5: that's this. He's a hashtag poster. He's a poster.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: He operates a Twitter account which some might deem as

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Speaker 4: offensive and tweets about current current events in a very

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Speaker 4: provocative way. Yeah, usually in line with some kind of

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Speaker 4: partisan sentiments.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's pretty fair.

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Speaker 4: Specifically, following the assassination of Melissa Hortman and her husband,

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00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 4: made a series of of tweets that were I guess,

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Speaker 4: kind of insensitive, if not actually if not laying blame

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Speaker 4: at the governor of Minnesota in this kind of ironic

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Speaker 4: joking way where you have plausible deniability, but in general

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Speaker 4: handled that situation very grossly, and I think that that's

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Speaker 4: what most people might know his tweets for. But he's

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Speaker 4: very active, he's he's tweets about many many a thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, if he thinks that he post sit but yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: his most people will know him as a guy who

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Speaker 5: made the extremely poor taste posts following those murders Nightmare

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Speaker 5: on walls the street. Yeah, just nothing to be posting

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Speaker 5: U when some people have been murdered.

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Speaker 4: I think in general, when people are murdered, I think

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Speaker 4: we as humans should.

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Speaker 5: Should post the last Yeah. Yeah, right, if somebody has died, like,

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Speaker 5: just don't post you know it did? Maybe nice to

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Speaker 5: say this is terrible, so and your condolences or whatever,

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Speaker 5: but realistically their family aren't looking on on Twitter dot

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Speaker 5: com to see you who who's sending their condolences, but

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Speaker 5: they sure as funk we'll find out if you try

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Speaker 5: and make a funny about it. So to just don't

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Speaker 5: just resist urge to post another urge that Mike Lee

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Speaker 5: sadly have is.

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Speaker 3: I don't like that at all?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you like we're talking about Mike Lee's urges.

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Speaker 5: Okay, it's in the broadcastable space. Mike Lee has the

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Speaker 5: urge to sell off public land. He has tried twice

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Speaker 5: this year. We spoke about this a little bit on

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Speaker 5: ed right. We talked about it in the context of

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Speaker 5: the Big Beautiful Bill or the one Big Beautiful Bill Act.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he did try that like half a year ago.

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Speaker 5: Yes, he did. Well, Garrison, I regret to inform you

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Speaker 5: that Mike Lee is back somehow.

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Speaker 3: Mike Lee has returned.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and this time he has got a new thing.

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Speaker 5: So last time, if you remember, he talked about selling

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Speaker 5: off the public land to make affordable housing. Sure, sure, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Not going to look into this any further.

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Speaker 5: And I'm gonna that was exactly what he was relying on.

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Speaker 5: That no one gave a shit about the millions of

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Speaker 5: acres that we all get access to, and they would

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Speaker 5: just trust him on.

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Speaker 3: That one based Mike Lee and his abundance exactly.

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Speaker 5: It's him and Ran shaking hands when it comes to

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Speaker 5: affordable housing, but something they care about very much, I'm sure,

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Speaker 5: something that Mike Lee has campaigned on for. He did

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Speaker 5: not stick Landing on that because people read the proposal

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Speaker 5: and they noticed that it was going to do nothing

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Speaker 5: for housing affordability whatsoever. If it did create any housing

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Speaker 5: at all. It was going to be like super rich

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Speaker 5: people's McMansions. You know, this was not going to do

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Speaker 5: anything to move the needlean and affordable housing in the US.

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Speaker 5: This time he has found a cause which receives even

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Speaker 5: less scrutiny. Can you guess what it is, Garrison.

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Speaker 4: Ah, for why we need to sell the public lands? Yes,

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to not just look ahead on your script.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there is a document in front of you which,

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Speaker 5: as he asked, it, so close your eyes. But there's

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Speaker 5: like two or three things in the US where everyone

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Speaker 5: just seems to turn a blind eye.

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Speaker 4: To, like, Oh, I mean this is it for like

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Speaker 4: is it for like developing land for like oil data centers?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 5: Well, that probably is what's happening. But he's he's smart

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Speaker 5: enough not to say that.

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Speaker 4: Right, super gold magic carp as in the as in

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Speaker 4: the film Eddington. I mean I would guess the data centers,

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Speaker 4: but that that's that I could be wrong.

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Speaker 5: It's border security. Oh great, of course, right, you could

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Speaker 5: have said anti terrorism and probably got there to you.

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Speaker 5: But no, it is it is securing US southern well

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Speaker 5: all aboarders, actually southern border, northern border, eastern and Western

783
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Speaker 5: maritime borders. Obviously they're they're looking to prevent any more

784
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Speaker 5: people coming in from Canada.

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Speaker 8: Is not a border stick that that is correct, that

786
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Speaker 8: borders because literally, so you go to search something, pulled

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Speaker 8: up the map of the United States. I was like,

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Speaker 8: I don't think you maybe I'm misremembering, but Uta is

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Speaker 8: not a border state.

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Speaker 5: Is absolutely not a border states.

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Speaker 4: Actually not a border state. It is above Arizona, which.

792
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Speaker 5: Is yeah, so that is perhaps what's going on here.

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Speaker 5: Mike Lee has found a way to sell off public

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Speaker 5: lands without selling off Utah public lands. Oh, in this case,

795
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Speaker 5: not really sell off, but destroy and degrade in a

796
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Speaker 5: way which is very clearly going to lead to commercial exploitation.

797
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Speaker 5: Right what Lee proposes, what Lee's bill has a bunch

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Speaker 5: of cosponsors. I believe the only border state senator co

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Speaker 5: sponsoring it is head crewis. Yeah, that makes sense, big

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Speaker 5: public lands, respector. But Lie's bill would allow the Department

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Speaker 5: of Homeland Security to quote inventory illegal roads and trails

802
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 5: on public land within one hundred miles of the border

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Speaker 5: and then convert them into navigable roads. That is the

804
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Speaker 5: part that makes no sense, right, Like when you look

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Speaker 5: at Lee's statements and I will read one of Lee's

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Speaker 5: statements here. So this is a statement on the Senate

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Speaker 5: Energy Committee web page where they talk about Energy Natural

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Speaker 5: Resources Committee. Is quote from Mike Lee explaining his bill quote,

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Speaker 5: Biden's open border chaos is destroying America's crown duels. I'm

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Speaker 5: going to pause here to note this. According to my watch,

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Speaker 5: we're at November seventh, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Well your watches, rog, Yeah, we.

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Speaker 5: Are once again asking the most important question of.

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Speaker 2: Our time was president who is?

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Speaker 3: He used the presidense?

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Speaker 5: It didn't. It's not even like talking about twenty twenty

817
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 5: and pretending that Trumble was a president.

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Speaker 4: He's doing it right now, that the art border policies

819
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Speaker 4: are destroying our nactual lands.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we were a year after the election. You've had

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Speaker 5: time to come to terms with this. You can't just

822
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Speaker 5: keep pointing at Joe Biden like but apparently I guess

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Speaker 5: you can.

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Speaker 4: They're going to keep doing that for three more years

825
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Speaker 4: until there's a new guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So let's go on with Chairman Lee, his chairman

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Speaker 5: of this Senate Energy Natural Resources Committee. Right, Families who

829
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 5: want to enjoy a safe hike or camp out are

830
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 5: instead finding trash piles, burned landscapes, and trails closed because

831
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Speaker 5: rangers are stuck cleaning up the fallout. Cartels are exploiting

832
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 5: the disorder, using these lands as cover for their operations.

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00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 5: This bill gives land managers and border agents tools to

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Speaker 5: restore order and protect these places for the people they

835
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Speaker 5: were meant to serve. He's doing the thing where he

836
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 5: says one thing and then his build does something completely different. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: what he is saying is on the face of it,

838
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 5: somewhat ridiculous. But what he's claiming he's going to do

839
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Speaker 5: is protect these lands.

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Speaker 6: Right.

841
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 5: What the bill allows them to do is to find

842
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Speaker 5: roads that are not permitted and turn them into navigable roads.

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Speaker 4: So just actually pave roads, yes, in the protected wildlife in.

844
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Speaker 5: The Yeah, well, crucially in wilderness areas. Right, So in

845
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Speaker 5: the nineteen sixty four Wilderness Act not allow for there

846
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 5: to be any mechanized access. Lie's bill proposes not just

847
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 5: to amend the Wilderness Act for within one hundred miles

848
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Speaker 5: of the border, but to amend it entirely to allow

849
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Speaker 5: for the construction of roads so.

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Speaker 3: That they can pulice the public lands better. That's that's

851
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Speaker 3: what he's saying. Yeah, right.

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Speaker 5: Well, he's one of his claims is for search and rescue,

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00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 5: and that there are already exemptions that allow for mechanize

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00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 5: search and rescue access, right, like yeah, things like helicopters, right, helicopters. Yeah,

855
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Speaker 5: if you get and even like you get like motorized gurneys,

856
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 5: you can use the SAR things like that, right, Like

857
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Speaker 5: they even ATVs. Right, there's a threat to human.

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Speaker 3: Lives a Toyota tacoma.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you'd struggle in most wilderness lands with

860
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Speaker 5: the tacoma, but yeah, you could. You could give it

861
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Speaker 5: a college try, but it's ludicrous. He hasn't even made

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Speaker 5: an effort to join the dots, you know. It also

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00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 5: calls for fire mitigation by clearing fuels and building fire breaks,

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Speaker 5: and includes a provision that would quote address invasive or

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Speaker 5: non native species in the wilderness area. Yeah, like what

866
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 5: are you going to go in there and round us?

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Speaker 4: Everyone's planting and spreading invasive species.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, of course they're invasive species right. Late, Like,

869
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Speaker 5: if you go to parts of where I live, like

870
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 5: you'll see mustard, which is not an indigenous species. Because

871
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 5: the climate's changing and people move around the world and

872
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 5: like lots and lots of animals that weren't like here

873
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 5: twenty thousand years ago, are here now.

874
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 4: I mean, you can make an argument for managing these areas.

875
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 4: I don't think he's coming at this from an environmental

876
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 4: conservation standpoint.

877
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

878
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 5: I don't know what the non native species thing is

879
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 5: about other than just like nativism for plants, Like, I

880
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 5: genuinely can't work it out. If anyone has any ideas,

881
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 5: please let me know. It also attempts to inventory damage

882
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 5: done to public lands by migrants, Like what wildfires are

883
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 5: caused by migrants? How many national parks are trashed by migrants?

884
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: Oh my god?

885
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, as opposed to the Americans that has since you

886
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 4: treat these areas like dogshit. Yeahs who simply just don't

887
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 4: do their jobs because they're too lazy.

888
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, And like the literally thousands of people a year

889
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 5: who fucking drag their refrigerator or television onto public land

890
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 5: and execute it by firing squad. Yeah, like yeah, maybe

891
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 5: make a bill about that. I mean, you want to

892
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 5: do something nice for public land. I want to give

893
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 5: a definition of wilderness from Howard. I think it's zamasap

894
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 5: and he ever read his name with the Wilderness Society,

895
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 5: who more or less wrote Act It defines wilderness as

896
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 5: quote a wilderness in contrast with those areas where man

897
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 5: and his own works dominate the landscape is hereby recognized

898
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 5: as an area where the earth and its community of

899
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 5: life are untrammeled by man, where man himself is a

900
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 5: visitor and who does not remain. I don't actually really

901
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 5: like that definition. I like wilderness, but I'm not a

902
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 5: big fan of the idea of like, quote unquote untouched wilderness. Right, like,

903
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 5: every bit of what is now the United States is

904
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 5: a place where indigenous people have been living and surviving

905
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 5: for tens of thousands of years before it was the

906
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 5: United States. It's not untouched. It's just not fucked by

907
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 5: extractive capitalism in a way that a lot of our

908
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 5: land has been in the last two hundred years.

909
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,479
Speaker 4: There could be touching without a fuck, that's what you're saying.

910
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 5: I saw this mischievous look come on their face, and

911
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 5: I didn't know which direction they were going to take it,

912
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 5: but I didn't expect that one.

913
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 3: Now this is podcasting.

914
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 5: Yeah wow, yeah, we've just left the news reel. Let's

915
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 5: do an advertising break it so we can't come back

916
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 5: from that, all right, we've returned out de scandalized myself.

917
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 5: Lee is currently making his claims right that this will

918
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 5: somehow make the border safer and make people on public

919
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 5: lands safer.

920
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 4: This is such the thinnest justification that you're throwing in,

921
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 4: Like this is so I severely doubt he sincerely even

922
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 4: believes this.

923
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, the border patrol have access to all

924
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 5: these lands, right, like I see I think the cumber

925
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 5: wildness of state wilderness, I see border patrol in there

926
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 5: all the time.

927
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 4: I can see there's many reasons for why our republic

928
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 4: and might be interested in, like building road infrastructure in

929
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 4: these places and border security. Frankly, is insulting that you're

930
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 4: that he's even trying to use that as a zeitgeist justification.

931
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's fucking ludicrous. Like the Trump administration is speed

932
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 5: running extractive capitalism on our public lands right, just yesterday

933
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 5: when we're recordings recording on Friday, Joe Biden is president,

934
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 5: as you will remember, Friday seventh, November twenty twenty five,

935
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 5: the Trump administration nominated. Okay, I've outed myself. I'm not

936
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 5: a Biden. I'm not a Biden. Truth. The Trump administration

937
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 5: don't d Steve Pierce to lead the Bureau of Land Management.

938
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 5: Pis is a former New Mexico congressman who has supported

939
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 5: brilling and fracking on federal land. He's also a serial

940
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 5: loser in congressional and state races in New Mexico. I

941
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 5: think he lost a Senate and a gubernatorial race, and

942
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 5: he has voted to shrink existing public lands. The Trump

943
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 5: admin did this before, right, people will probably if they're

944
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 5: engaged in public land advocacy, they will remember the attempts

945
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 5: to save the Bears Ears National Monument from oil exploitation,

946
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 5: which again is in Utah. Utah is for whatever reason,

947
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 5: Utah is a hotbed of anti public lands settlement. Amusingly,

948
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 5: the previous nominee for the leadership of the BLM had

949
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 5: to be removed when emails condemning Trump's response to January

950
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 5: sixth came to light. She I guess failed the loyalty test.

951
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 5: Trump has also put Doug Bergham at the head of

952
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 5: the Department of the Interior. Right, if you're willing with

953
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 5: Bergham's stick, guess.

954
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 4: His name sounds incredibly familiar.

955
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was governor I believe in North Dakota. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah,

956
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 5: Like he did this pivot on like culture war issues

957
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 5: where he had previously been not opposed to abortion, for example,

958
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 5: and he just took a massive swing to the right

959
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 5: in order to kind of align with the MAGA position

960
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 5: over time. So he's not only in the Department of

961
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 5: the Interior. I wrote about this on my newsletter that

962
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 5: I write because when he was nominated, he received a

963
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 5: letter of support from the Outdoor Recreation round Table, a

964
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 5: bunch of outdoor brands, notably ARII was one of the

965
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 5: brands that supported his nomination. Bergham is another big oil

966
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 5: and gas guy, right, He's a guy who has talked

967
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 5: about the need for energy exploitation on public land. I

968
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 5: have a whole script, did series and in working on

969
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 5: about specifically drilling in the Arctic refuge. But this goes

970
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 5: far far beyond that, right, this could potentially affect every

971
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 5: piece of public land, every national park, a re national

972
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 5: monument in the United States.

973
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 3: Drill baby drill, Yes, drill baby.

974
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 5: Drill is pretty much our approach to public land these days. Amusingly,

975
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 5: ARII was shamed into rescinding their support of Bergham. Good

976
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 5: for that, Yeah, yeah, one of the few instances where

977
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 5: people probably posted their way to a change in in

978
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 5: some in some kind of some kind of policy. I guess,

979
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,479
Speaker 5: even though it's only ARII policy, I want to talk

980
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 5: a little bit about like how we got to this

981
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 5: idea of public land and the sort of way that

982
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 5: it's sometimes referred to, and in a where I would

983
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 5: prefer we talked about it. I guess the idea we

984
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 5: have right now is that there are various tiers of

985
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 5: public land. Right, there's Bureau of Land Management land, which

986
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 5: is often the least protected. We have national parks, we

987
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 5: have national monuments, we have national forests, and we have wilderness, right,

988
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 5: wilderness being among the most protected. The problem with this

989
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 5: approach is that ecosystems don't necessarily respect property lines. Right.

990
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 5: So let's take for example, in Alaska. Right, they have

991
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 5: hundreds of thousands of acres of their own, but their

992
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 5: traditional way of life and indeed, like their existence depends

993
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 5: on the existence of the porcupine caribou herd. The porcupine

994
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 5: caribou herd makes the longest migration of any land mammal

995
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 5: on Earth, and it carves on the coastal plane, the

996
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 5: coastal plain. The Guichin way of saying it would be

997
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 5: I have heard this said a lot of times. My

998
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 5: sincere apologies if I don't get it right, like I'm

999
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 5: trama best. What's an gwandai goodly? It means a sacred

1000
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 5: place where life begins. It's a very sacred place for gwichin.

1001
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 5: Don't go there themselves because it's a sacred place. But

1002
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 5: it is not in the land. It is part of

1003
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 5: the Arctic refuge, a place where the Trump administration is

1004
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 5: selling oil and gas leases. Right, So if the caribou

1005
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 5: can't carve, then doesn't matter. It still matters to the

1006
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 5: which you have all this land. But they won't have

1007
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 5: their cariboo, right because the herd will be so disrupted

1008
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 5: by oil and gas drilling where it's carving that it

1009
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 5: will then disrupt that whole landscape. Right without cariboo, that

1010
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 5: landscape would be fundamentally different. So right now, the way

1011
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,479
Speaker 5: we talk about public lands, I think we talk about

1012
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 5: them like in terms of leisure, right, Like often they're

1013
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 5: scene as having a value, Like I guess the classic

1014
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 5: example would be maybe don't remember this gag. Patagonia run

1015
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 5: an advertising campaign called the Places We Play In the

1016
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 5: last Trump administration. That's not it, right, that is not cool.

1017
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,919
Speaker 5: I think if we only see wilderness as a place

1018
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 5: where like folks go outside to do send the nar

1019
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 5: on climbing routes and and fucking shred some mountain bike trails, bro,

1020
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 5: then we fundamentally like missed the value of it, right. Yeah,

1021
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 5: this goes back a long long time. For instance, if

1022
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 5: we look back in ninety twenty nine with specifically with

1023
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 5: the protection of the Arctic Refuge, we can see this

1024
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 5: piece that Bob Marshall wrote. Bob Marshall was a forest

1025
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 5: at the time, but he's kind of important in this

1026
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 5: creating this idea of like wilderness and wilderness protections. He

1027
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 5: talked about the quote unquote emotional values of the frontier

1028
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 5: being preserved in the wilderness, which again I think kind

1029
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 5: of tells us a lot a lot of what's going

1030
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 5: on here.

1031
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 4: It's a very very Theodore Roosevelt brained approach to conservation.

1032
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, Like we can go out there and we

1033
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 5: can all pretend to be like the guys who participated

1034
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 5: in the genocide of indigenous peoples of North America. I

1035
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 5: guess like he also he considered using the definition attract

1036
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 5: of solitude and savageness, which again like it says a

1037
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 5: lot about like it's removing the people from the land,

1038
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 5: right like, like both literally and in our conception of it.

1039
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 5: And I don't think we should do that. Right when

1040
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 5: we talk about wilderness, we need to talk about it

1041
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 5: hand in hand with the indigenous people of this country

1042
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 5: and their traditional management practices which allowed this place to

1043
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 5: be unspoiled until folks started to exploit it in the

1044
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 5: last couple of hundred years. They'll take an ad break,

1045
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 5: hopefully we get something for like fracking or some other

1046
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 5: petrochemical industry, and it will be right back. We are back,

1047
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 5: and we are talking about Senator Mike Lee again, Garrison,

1048
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 5: would you like to guess which industries have emerged on

1049
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 5: the top of Senator Mike Lee's donor list when I

1050
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 5: cruise unto open secrets?

1051
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 3: Is it fracking and drilling?

1052
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 5: See real estate? He's got a ton of money from

1053
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 5: real estate. About six hundred and sixty five thousand. Six

1054
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 5: hundred and sixty five thousand is not that much money

1055
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 5: when you consider the millions of acres of public lands

1056
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 5: which would be completely and permanently altered by.

1057
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 4: This, right, Yeah, he really should be asking for a

1058
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 4: lot more money to sell.

1059
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 5: Off the secure the bag.

1060
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 4: If you're going to do this, it's grossly undervalue.

1061
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 5: Yeah. I always look at campaign donations and I kind

1062
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 5: of expect them to be in the billions or trillions

1063
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 5: when like you're looking at just this massive and permanent

1064
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 5: change in government policy.

1065
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 3: It's that easy, folks.

1066
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, which is why we are launching a crowdfunding campaign

1067
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 5: to buy back or the public lands. We're not no

1068
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 5: one should own them. We should not be buying them

1069
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 5: back that they should be protected. It's kind of remarkable

1070
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 5: how many of our public lands this would impact right

1071
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 5: within one hundred miles of the border that gives us

1072
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 5: two thirds of the United States population. The general definition

1073
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 5: that DHS has operated with also includes all of the

1074
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:16,479
Speaker 5: Great Lakes as quote unquote international waterways, so that takes

1075
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 5: in like a good chunk of the Midwest, right. It

1076
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 5: would then go one hundred miles from the shore of

1077
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 5: any of the Great Lakes. I've seen this reported on

1078
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 5: very poorly or not at all. A lot of the

1079
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 5: people who are better at talking about public lands are

1080
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 5: like the hunting fishing, like hook and bullet media. They

1081
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 5: will talk about it more in my experience, and like

1082
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 5: the straight up outdoor media right, which is where I've

1083
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 5: made my career at least somewhat for the last fifteen years.

1084
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 5: They will also go harder for it, like it's generally

1085
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 5: a more conservative world, but like they will they will

1086
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 5: go after politicians who sell public lands. But I think

1087
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 5: if you're in capable understanding that, like the border as

1088
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 5: a zone of exception, the border as a zone without

1089
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 5: constitutional rights is a problem, and this selling of the

1090
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 5: public lands is part of that problem, then like it's

1091
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 5: very hard to have a complete analysis of this. So

1092
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 5: like I've seen a lot of analysis without any seemingly

1093
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 5: where the rights don't understand that United States operates this

1094
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 5: one hundred mile border enforcement zone, right, and that you,

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01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 5: as a US citizen or as a non senstem have

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01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 5: fewer rights within that enforcement zone. I have seen a

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01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 5: lot of analysis which doesn't take into account this weird

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01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 5: assessing of migrant damage to public land, Like in what

1099
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 5: world is that a useful allocation of governments? Like there

1100
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 5: are places right where like if I think about the

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01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 5: places where the Biden administration did outdoor attention, that landscape

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01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 5: was damaged because people had fires to stay warm, and

1103
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 5: that fire cause is scarring right in our desert landscapes. Yeah,

1104
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 5: that landscape is damaged. Like, how you going to what

1105
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 5: are you going to do? There were like a thousand

1106
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 5: people a day coming through at one point. Are you

1107
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 5: going to find them all and charge them more for

1108
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 5: like misdemeanor California fire? But also there's a tiny provision

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01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 5: of this bill that I found that suggests that migrants

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01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 5: cannot be housed on federal public land unless they are

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01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 5: housed in a detention center. Yeah, yeah, great, thanks. That

1112
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 5: was kind of the case before, Like you couldn't really

1113
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 5: just be like, well, I mean, by the administration did

1114
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 5: just say right, you'll Campaigre and will come get you

1115
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 5: in a week. There wasn't really a legal precedent for that.

1116
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 5: They just went ahead and did it. I guess what

1117
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 5: I want to end up with is like I'm obviously

1118
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 5: very passionate about this. I guess I'm kind of a

1119
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 5: public land super user. You do be camping, Yeah I do.

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01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 5: I am a Yeah, I am a camping guy. If

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01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 5: there's one thing that defines me, it's going camping. I

1122
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 5: try and sleep outside at least once a month. But yeah,

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01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 5: most of My happiest memories in life are like moving

1124
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 5: under my own power through the mountains. That is when

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01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 5: I'm happiest. That is how I deal with my shit.

1126
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 5: That is what I do with myself after every single

1127
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 5: one of the traumatic work trips that you that you

1128
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 5: seem to love listening to you, right like that, that

1129
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 5: is how I cope with the fact that my job

1130
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 5: is to turn trauma into stuff to go in between

1131
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 5: chumber casino ads. So, yeah, I love public lands, but

1132
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 5: you should too, even if you don't recreate on public lands, right,

1133
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 5: So that's the public lands are called America's best idea.

1134
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 5: I don't like that because inherent in having public lands

1135
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 5: is the removal of them from indigenous people, right, and

1136
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 5: indigenous people losing their sovereignty over those lands. But as

1137
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 5: things that the state has done with land goes, protecting

1138
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 5: it for future generations is one of the good ones, right,

1139
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 5: Like there are some truly special places. The vastness of

1140
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 5: the Western United States is why I live here. I

1141
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 5: cycled across the United States in twenty ten, and I

1142
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 5: was just blown away by like the scale of the

1143
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 5: landscapes without significant human damage. That's still something I'm blown

1144
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 5: away by yeah, you know, fifteen years later. I spend

1145
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 5: as much time as I can, and not just like

1146
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 5: national parks. I think a lot of people, if they've

1147
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 5: visited public land, were associated with national parks. I'd really

1148
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 5: encourage you to like hit up national forests, wilderness lands

1149
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 5: like places where there it's not a line or a

1150
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 5: ticket kiosk, Like you can have a really special wilderness

1151
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 5: experience there. But even if you don't want to, that

1152
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 5: doesn't appeal to you, if it's not something that you

1153
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 5: feel like physically or otherwise comfortable doing, the fact that

1154
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 5: it will be there for future generations, the fact that

1155
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 5: like there is potential to return this land to the

1156
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 5: indigenous people of North America without giant fucking mind scars

1157
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 5: and roads cut through it right now is something that

1158
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 5: we should fight for. And like public lands, it's one

1159
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,959
Speaker 5: of those things where like I have conversations with dudes

1160
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 5: who do not agree with me politically at all, like

1161
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 5: people who definitely voted for Donald Trump who are also

1162
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 5: furious about this shit. And if you can help people

1163
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 5: see that this is part of a bigger problem, Like

1164
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 5: if this can be a place where we can build

1165
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 5: a coalition, that is a good thing, and it's one

1166
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 5: of those things that like to take action, you can

1167
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 5: just live out and go on the internet and write

1168
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 5: to your senator, call your representative. Like you can do

1169
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 5: these things which are so easy, low risk, and like

1170
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 5: it's a sort of engagement that like neoliberal bipartisan politics

1171
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 5: wants you to have. Right, it's not hard, but in

1172
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 5: this instance, you can do something really good by doing that.

1173
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 5: So I would encourage you to do that. Mike Lee's

1174
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 5: bill is currently in committee. I believe the Energy and

1175
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 5: Natural Resources Committee TBD whether it gets out of there,

1176
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 5: but he has tried twice, like since the summer to

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01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 5: significantly destroy this credible thing that we all have access

1178
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 5: to in the United States. He will continue to try.

1179
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 5: This is clearly something that he has an agenda for, so, like,

1180
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 5: I would really encourage people to keep an eye out

1181
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 5: and we will keep reporting on it. Anything else you

1182
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 5: want to talk about public land scare.

1183
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's a different approach to dealing with

1184
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 4: like protected wilderness land. Prop one to amend the state

1185
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 4: Constitution just passed in New York. Basically what happened like

1186
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 4: one hundred years ago, they were building this Olympic sports

1187
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 4: complex and violation of the wilderness like protection like state

1188
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 4: like act or part of the Constitution. And to deal

1189
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 4: with that, I'm not sure what it's taken this long,

1190
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 4: but to deal with this, they have just days ago

1191
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 4: voted to amenda Constitution to set aside two thousand, five

1192
01:05:55,120 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 4: hundred acres of mountain land nearby but not on this complex,

1193
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 4: and to turn that into protected land to then continue

1194
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 4: the operation and like maintenance of the sports complex. The

1195
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 4: proposition was worded a bit weird, but I think in

1196
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 4: effect this just results in there being in in the

1197
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 4: end of more public land or more protected land specifically. Yeah,

1198
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 4: and the complex that already exists can then continue to

1199
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 4: function because the lands already it was already used.

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01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, like they sort of built it and then

1201
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 5: ask permission like I guess one hundred years later almost. Yeah,

1202
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 5: Like land swaps happen they like and like like sometimes

1203
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 5: you'll see people being like, oh, it's this public landing

1204
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 5: sort of Like sometimes land swaps are very menial, right,

1205
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 5: like if there's a little parcel of national forest land

1206
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 5: or like it can be it's a piece that like

1207
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 5: is next to a school and the school needs a

1208
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 5: playing field and those yeah things like that land. Landswaps

1209
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 5: do happen. And as long as we're not like losing

1210
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 5: anchorage to oil and gas or to like mcmahonson building,

1211
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 5: you know, I think we can be flexible.

1212
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 3: No.

1213
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 4: I mean if anything, this this, this will set us

1214
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 4: side thousands of acres of land to not have that

1215
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 4: happen to it. Yeah, in the mountains of like that

1216
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 4: run agyoric. Yes, and then this complex can now continue

1217
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 4: to get maintained. I think if this, if this didn't pass,

1218
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 4: they would like restrictions would fall upon the capacity of

1219
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 4: this complex started to be operating.

1220
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 5: That's dumb because you have a place which is like

1221
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 5: it's not going back, right, Like, once you've built stuff, you.

1222
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 3: Should use it.

1223
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 4: The damage has been dying, I should use it here

1224
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 4: and then protect more land exactly. Yeah, And luckily this

1225
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 4: this thing barely passed. It was it was pretty closing

1226
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 4: around fifty two percent.

1227
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 5: Yes.

1228
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 4: Most of the votes for no did come from people,

1229
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 4: I think living in New York City. I think mostly

1230
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 4: because of the way the proposition was worded. It was

1231
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 4: worded in a in an odd way because it made

1232
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 4: it sound like you're like sacrificing currently protected land at

1233
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 4: complexes on so I think people who are approaching it's

1234
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 4: from like kind of an ecological standpoint, a consumation standpoint. Yeah,

1235
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 4: like misunderstood or had or had some like differing view

1236
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 4: on like the value of protecting the current land and

1237
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 4: the complex is on versus establishing thousands of acres of

1238
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 4: more lands to be protected nearby.

1239
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I mean initiatives and propositions are often written

1240
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 5: in a particularly bizarre way, and it's a It's not

1241
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 5: like like the California Prop fifty was like two lines.

1242
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 5: This is several paragraphs of so I can see how

1243
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 5: it would have been confusing to people. But yeah, like

1244
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 5: this also happens at a state level all the time, right,

1245
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 5: Like states have public lands too. You'll see like a

1246
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 5: patchwork of state and federal and private land, especially like

1247
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 5: in some national forests in the West. Right, But that's

1248
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 5: something that especially in Republican rund states now people should

1249
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 5: be very aware of in their own states. Is like

1250
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:00,759
Speaker 5: the GOP didn't used to be massively anti public plans.

1251
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,719
Speaker 5: This is a new thing for them, right, They always

1252
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 5: felt like they needed their I guess maybe that they

1253
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 5: needed their like hunting, fishing, shooting, crowd.

1254
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 4: No, but environmentalism is now wokeafi Yeah, exactly. Yeah, this

1255
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 4: is like a post al gore.

1256
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 3: Thing of now.

1257
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 4: The conservatives associate a lot of this language with like

1258
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 4: climate change algorisms.

1259
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 3: It's his this woke element.

1260
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very strange. It's funny. Often when I'm out about,

1261
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 5: you know, like exploring in the back country, I run

1262
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 5: into guys who are out there like they're either hunting

1263
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 5: or like looking for places to hunt. I think will

1264
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:43,560
Speaker 5: be like, oh, yeah, well there aren't as many of

1265
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 5: the turkeys or the deer or the whatever is they

1266
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 5: used to be. But then it's very hard for people

1267
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 5: who now can't say climate change is real to find

1268
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 5: a way of like having permission to say what they

1269
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 5: want to say because they've seen it with their own eyes. Yeah,

1270
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,600
Speaker 5: but also the don't want to say it.

1271
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 4: But no, I mean I did an episode about this

1272
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 4: after the R and C because I talked with Yeah, yeah,

1273
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 4: this like Republican conservation group about how they're trying to

1274
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:14,639
Speaker 4: bring back like put the conservative back in conservation.

1275
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 5: Jesus. Yeah. Yeah, I think Germany generally, the idea of

1276
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 5: them conserving anything is pretty much off the table at

1277
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 5: this point. But yeah, people getting out in public land.

1278
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 5: Will you will understand climate change. You spend long enough

1279
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 5: going to the same spot, and you're going to see

1280
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 5: what that means. So it has a lot of benefits.

1281
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 5: Go outside this weekend, go camping. It's a great desert

1282
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 5: season right now. If you're within range of a desert,

1283
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 5: go camping in the desert. Look at the stars to

1284
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 5: find a dark sky area if that's your thing. Because

1285
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 5: ARII who had the like, don't go shopping on Black Friday.

1286
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 5: Go outside. I don't know, you don't. You don't remember this.

1287
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 5: It's okay, this is just shit that I you.

1288
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 3: Know, I am.

1289
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 4: I am pro gazing at the flickering lights of civilization Garrison.

1290
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,600
Speaker 5: No one wants to see the fucking flickering lights of civilization.

1291
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 5: I do, I do, I don't. I want to see

1292
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 5: the stars. I camped in Chaco Canyon earlier this year.

1293
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 5: Banger of a national park. That's my it's my final tip.

1294
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 5: View of the Great House at Chaco Canyon was the

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Speaker 5: largest building constructed in the United States until eighteen eighty.

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Speaker 2: Really yeah, yeah, it is vast.

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Speaker 5: It's one of the least visited parks in a system

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Speaker 5: because you have to go like seventeen miles down in

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Speaker 5: dirt road. Sure, but incredible that these are the ancestral

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Speaker 5: Pueblo ins, right, like the people who are the ancestors

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Speaker 5: of the Pueblo tribes today. But it's an amazing place

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Speaker 5: to go check out. You should all go, not at once.

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Speaker 5: There's not enough space for all of you.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just rolling through Mike Lee's Twitter account.

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Speaker 5: Now, oh yeah, you got any bangers? Not really really,

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Speaker 5: not really.

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Speaker 4: I mean he's whining about Zoron and posting a lot

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Speaker 4: about Charlie Kirk and that's mostly it.

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Speaker 5: See, he doesn't talk about this stuff because no one

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Speaker 5: likes it. He got hammered by a bunch of like,

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Speaker 5: very right wing rancher types on Twitter last time he

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Speaker 5: tried to do this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, makes sense.

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Speaker 5: I think he knows better because a lot of people

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Speaker 5: you can also graze cattle on public land, right, there's

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Speaker 5: been a whole standoff about this. Long time listeners will

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Speaker 5: remember the Bundy situation. But yeah, linked to I guess

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Speaker 5: he's also pissed those people off. Now, I just went

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Speaker 5: to search for the news coverage of this. The only

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Speaker 5: thing we can find is a Washington Examiner. So it's

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Speaker 5: it's just us and them. Got the video the autoplayers

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Speaker 5: on the Washington Examiner page is petrifying.

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Speaker 3: The true bastions of journalists and the Washington.

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Speaker 5: Horseshoes theory come to life. Oh God, all right, I

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Speaker 5: go outside. This week's last weekend. Fuck it, don't go

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Speaker 5: to work, go outside, go outside tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Bye.

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Speaker 9: Hello everyone. This is Dana al Kurd for it could

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Speaker 9: happen here.

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Speaker 10: I'm a professor and analyst of Palestinian and air politics,

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Speaker 10: and today we're joined by Ahmed Moore, who is the

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Speaker 10: twenty twenty five Foundation for Middle.

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Speaker 9: East Peace fellow.

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Speaker 10: He's also an author, an activist, just very very involved

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Speaker 10: in the Palestinian space and on the question of Palistini liberation.

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Speaker 10: So I've invited Ahma today to discuss with us what

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Speaker 10: we can understand about pro Palestine organizing in the past

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Speaker 10: two years in comparison to prior to October seventh, twenty

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Speaker 10: twenty three, and think kind of analytically about where we

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Speaker 10: can go from here.

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Speaker 9: We're recording this on November fifth, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 10: We had a very interesting night last night, whereas Ahran

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Speaker 10: Mandani was named the mayor of New York City, and

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Speaker 10: a lot of think pieces since about how this means

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Speaker 10: nothing and actually means everything and Lapro Palestine movement is winning,

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Speaker 10: it's really not winning enough, et cetera, et cetera. So, yeah,

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Speaker 10: we're in an interesting moment in American politics. I think

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Speaker 10: the Palestine question is obviously very very relevant. So yeah,

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Speaker 10: I met Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Donna.

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Speaker 11: It's a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 10: All right, So maybe we can start with kind of

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Speaker 10: an introduction to yourself. You can tell us about your

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Speaker 10: experience as an activist, as an organizer.

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Speaker 5: Sure, yes, as a researcher.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, So I was born in Resident Palestine and Gaza

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Speaker 11: and Ralphah and my family moved here when I was

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Speaker 11: a kid and became naturalized so American citizen when I

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Speaker 11: was ten years old. So that was in the mid nineties,

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Speaker 11: and you know, went to college right after nine to eleven,

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Speaker 11: and like lots of people, was galvanized around that experience.

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Speaker 11: I think it was a pier. Was so a journalist

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Speaker 11: both in Bede Lutin and Cairo, and often you'd meet

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Speaker 11: American journalists roughly of my generation, and all of them

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Speaker 11: would indicate that, you know, I became engaged around the

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Speaker 11: Middle East because of nine to eleven. I think nine

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Speaker 11: to eleven was four our generation, a big learning opportunity

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Speaker 11: for people. The global war on terror, the war in

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Speaker 11: Iraq galvanized a lot of the left, and I'm thinking

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Speaker 11: now of move on dot org, and so this is

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Speaker 11: really the environment that I grew up in. Today, I

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Speaker 11: mostly work with The Guardian with the Nation mostly right

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Speaker 11: about Palestine, Israel and American foreign policy. And as you mentioned,

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Speaker 11: I'm a fellow at the Foundation for Middle East Peace,

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Speaker 11: where I host a podcast, Occupied Thoughts, where we spend

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Speaker 11: a lot of time thinking through policy matters related to Palisigan.

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Speaker 11: I have ideas about how things have changed, but that's

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Speaker 11: just a quick introduction.

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Speaker 5: To me and my work.

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Speaker 9: No, thank you, we're approximately the same age. I won't

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Speaker 9: tell you exactly.

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Speaker 10: How often, but yeah, I just I'm reflecting so much

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Speaker 10: these days on how much the War on Terror was

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Speaker 10: a formative moment politically for our generation, and its interaction

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Speaker 10: with the Postinian issue. I think that's starting to really

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Speaker 10: be understood more widely. I think maybe it was more

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Speaker 10: fringe or like a very select kind of understanding of

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Speaker 10: the left would have that kind of analysis for sure.

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Speaker 11: Just to put a fine point on it, I mean

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Speaker 11: that was the I would say generational awareness that we've

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Speaker 11: been lied to. We've been lied to by Dick Cheney,

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Speaker 11: George Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, all of that cohort those people.

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Speaker 11: You can see how that's rebounded today in Maine with

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Speaker 11: Graham Plattner, somebody who fought two or three tours and

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Speaker 11: then subsequently worked as a mercenary with Blackwater, was radicalized,

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Speaker 11: I would say through that experience when he was watching

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Speaker 11: these happy, go lucky diplomats swimming in pools in a

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Speaker 11: diplomatic compound, when just outside, a savage war was being waged,

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Speaker 11: an insurgency. So I would say that, you know, Palestine

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Speaker 11: is so deeply interwoven. Palestine is a long history of

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Speaker 11: having been lied to for people here in the United States. Domestically,

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Speaker 11: that came to a head around the Iraq War. We

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Speaker 11: werelied into that war. And I think you saw, you

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Speaker 11: saw the way that the Biden administration particularly stuck with

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Speaker 11: the playbook and alienated huge numbers of voters in twenty

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Speaker 11: twenty four. So Palestine is kind of indispensal understanding how

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Speaker 11: our elites in the United States have been captured by

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Speaker 11: special interests, by corporatist interests, and we're beginning to see that,

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Speaker 11: I think, rebound in meaningful ways. And of course, congratulations

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Speaker 11: is Ron Mundani done a wonderful job. He ran an

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Speaker 11: extraordinary campaign. I question, though, whether the campaign could have

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Speaker 11: been successful without the awakening that occurred through two years

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Speaker 11: of genocide. And what I mean by that specifically is

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Speaker 11: so many of the taboos that had been enforced around identity,

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Speaker 11: around good politics in America were dispensed with because those

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Speaker 11: taboos were employed to suppress opposition to genocide.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: No, I think you're right on the money on that.

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Speaker 10: I mean, in some ways, the MAGA movement in Donald

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Speaker 10: Trump also capitalized on the lies of the war on

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Speaker 10: Terror two. I mean, despite the incoherence of the MAGA movement,

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Speaker 10: like that was part of a rebuke of the neocons.

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Speaker 10: But of course the left is, especially after two years

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Speaker 10: of unspeakable genocide. I think it has led to just

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Speaker 10: an articulation of how much the American foreign policy in

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Speaker 10: the Middle East is. You mentioned boomerang. That's an imperial

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Speaker 10: boomerang that is impacting American politics. It's also highlighted how

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Speaker 10: much the elite, and public opinion is bifurcated on this.

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Speaker 10: Palistin has become an issue of democracy. I don't want

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Speaker 10: to put words in your mouth, but that's what I

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Speaker 10: would say.

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Speaker 11: No, I think that's correct. I agree with that. I mean,

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Speaker 11: so Palestine went from being specifically Palestine, from being a

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Speaker 11: niche issue when I was in college post colonial studies

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Speaker 11: majors knew about Palestine and could integrate Palestine into an

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Speaker 11: understanding of life in America, to being really part of

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Speaker 11: the American story today. And I think it's apt to

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Speaker 11: describe it that way. The experience of watching a genocide

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Speaker 11: unfold for two years has been radicalizing for many, but

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Speaker 11: it's also been enlightening in that the first question was

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Speaker 11: why is this happening? The second question is why can't

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Speaker 11: we stop it? Okay, Israel's an independent country, we can't

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Speaker 11: control them. Fine, why are we still supporting this? And

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Speaker 11: ultimately you end up going down that rabbit hole and

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Speaker 11: arriving at what is this Israel lobby? What is this

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Speaker 11: special interest? And so I think the degree of complicity,

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Speaker 11: the way in which the Biden administration blew so much smoke,

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Speaker 11: the way in which both sides of the Aisle engaged

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Speaker 11: in genocide and cheered the genocide has caused the Palestine

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Speaker 11: issue to become deeply interwoven with the experience of being

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Speaker 11: American today. And I don't think that's an overstatement, and

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Speaker 11: I think concretely it means that you need an answer

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01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,959
Speaker 11: to the question, Well, if you can't stand up to genocide,

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Speaker 11: if you can't stand up for defenseless children in Palestine,

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Speaker 11: and if you're going to lie to me about it,

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Speaker 11: why would I expect you to stand up for anything

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Speaker 11: meaningful as it relates to my standard of living, Say,

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Speaker 11: I'm a working class person. And so it's become this

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Speaker 11: litmus test, at least on the left, and I think

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Speaker 11: you're saying a similar dynamic playout on the right, but

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Speaker 11: for totally different reasons, right right. And it's been extraordinary

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Speaker 11: to behold because I think so many of us who've

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Speaker 11: been in this issue for so long, we've been marking

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Speaker 11: our progress in incrementalist terms, and then suddenly things have

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Speaker 11: broken wide open and the world has changed very very quickly.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, from my vantage point in American academia, I mean,

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Speaker 10: they might have had personal feelings about Israel Palestine, they

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Speaker 10: may have had sympathies, but so few people would ever

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Speaker 10: talk about the erasure of Palestine in the academy or

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Speaker 10: the impact of censorship and attacks on academic freedom. But

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Speaker 10: now because the Palaestinan issue is being used as this

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Speaker 10: cudgel to attack higher education, like you're just a normal

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Speaker 10: Joshmo like math professor, You're gonna have to care and

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Speaker 10: you do. And we're seeing this very much with the

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Speaker 10: mobilization of the American Association of University Professors that is

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Speaker 10: not a Middle East specific organization whatsoever, but they recognize

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Speaker 10: the linkages between these issues, so in the ways that

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Speaker 10: Palestine is interwoven with but also has impacted so many

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Speaker 10: of our current realities and the policies that we're facing

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Speaker 10: by the Trump administration and the Bye administration before them.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it's very clear to a lot of people.

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Speaker 5: So that actually brings me to one of.

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Speaker 10: The main questions that I wanted to ask you, is,

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Speaker 10: aside from kind of this increased awareness and the taboos

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Speaker 10: that have been broken around the discussion of Palestine and

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Speaker 10: its integration in American foreign policy and American domestic policy,

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Speaker 10: what are some other ways that you think since the

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Speaker 10: genocide began that pro Palestine organizing has changed.

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Speaker 11: So the biggest thing I've seen is that the analytical

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Speaker 11: frame has changed. We used to talk about foreign policy,

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01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 11: adventurers and wars for oil, those kinds of things. Now

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Speaker 11: I think the analysis is very correctly focused on empire,

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01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 11: the way in which resources domestically, the real working class

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01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 11: effort to build a life in the United States is

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Speaker 11: subsumed by wars of really imperial overreach. The whole idea

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Speaker 11: of empire for me was an antiquated one I didn't

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01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 11: think add a whole lot of relevance today. But I

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Speaker 11: think I and many others who may have thought in

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Speaker 11: that way missed the point the realities that empires intact.

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Speaker 11: I think that awareness that our efforts domestically are deeply,

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Speaker 11: deeply intertwined with what's happening what we're doing elsewhere, is

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Speaker 11: important and it's emergent.

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Speaker 2: It's new.

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Speaker 11: When I was in graduate school, you would hear people

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Speaker 11: talk about how they're engaged with domestic policy, or people

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Speaker 11: talk about their infests in foreign policy, and I was

1507
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 11: mostly interested in foreign policy. But today, to try to

1508
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 11: draw that differentiation is really meaningless. And again you see

1509
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 11: that in the race in New York.

1510
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 5: Mom.

1511
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 11: Donnie did run on affordability, he ran on a domestic

1512
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 11: policy program, but equally thirty eight percent I think of

1513
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 11: voters were heavily motivated by his foreign policy interests and

1514
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 11: his foreign policy perspectives, which, again from a policy point

1515
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 11: of view, he can't really impact, but nonetheless are supported

1516
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 11: by this idea that our taxes, what we do domestically

1517
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 11: is having a huge impact everywhere else in the world,

1518
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:02,600
Speaker 11: and that American empire is sprawling and a challenge for

1519
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 11: people domestically as well. From a pure activist point of view,

1520
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 11: you know, I used to have a real belief in

1521
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 11: electoral politics that was shaken deeply through the DNC, through

1522
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 11: the grassroots effort to be heard uncommitted. Yeah, the uncommitted

1523
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 11: movement precisely. We'll see where things go. I mean, the

1524
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 11: truth is that, you know, the person who is just

1525
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 11: selected in Jersey is a typical I believe APAC Democrat,

1526
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 11: Mike Ryl. My perspective domestically is that we need to

1527
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 11: be aggressive, We need to be forceful in calling for

1528
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 11: a total reconstitution of Democratic Party, no half measures, and

1529
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 11: I think zern Mundani did a good job of illustrating

1530
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 11: what that could look like.

1531
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean there's always a tension in this very

1532
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 10: money captured system that we have that at certain level

1533
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 10: it doesn't really matter liberal or Republican.

1534
01:24:58,040 --> 01:24:58,879
Speaker 9: They are captured.

1535
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 10: But I think I think what the New York City

1536
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 10: race has demonstrated is like that can only go so far.

1537
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,640
Speaker 10: You still need some public support, which is why of

1538
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 10: course they're going after gerrymandering and all of that. But yeah,

1539
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 10: it's an uphill battle. But I think if this democracy

1540
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 10: is to exist, we are in a better footing than

1541
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,759
Speaker 10: we were, you know, on this discussion, I also wondering

1542
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 10: what you think of this characterization, which is that I

1543
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 10: think before this genocide, and I don't mean to create

1544
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 10: this binary, but it has been a very transformative event.

1545
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 10: Before this genocide, I think a lot of Palestinian American

1546
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 10: organizing in spaces discussed the issue of Palestine in a

1547
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 10: right spaceed approach way, so about human rights, about ending auparthide,

1548
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 10: about extending rights, and I think the framing for that

1549
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 10: has also changed. It is really a critique of settler

1550
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 10: colonialism and the legitimacy of these nation states. First of all,

1551
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 10: what do you think of that characterization on my end,

1552
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:00,040
Speaker 10: but also what do you think of the tension and

1553
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 10: then that poses for the Palestinian National liberation movement that

1554
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 10: still wants a state.

1555
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right.

1556
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 11: The thing again, the analytic frame has shifted. We've gone

1557
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 11: from a contested conversation around nineteen sixty seven, the June

1558
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:18,839
Speaker 11: War when Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan, Gosta

1559
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 11: from Egypt, Jerusalem as well from Jordan, the Goal on Heights,

1560
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 11: some Syria and a small silver of land from Lebanon

1561
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 11: to nineteen forty eight. That's what we talk about now,

1562
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 11: and that's correct, and I think for many Palestinians or

1563
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 11: Palestinian Americans that has always been the starting point of

1564
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 11: the conversation. But now we have the political legitimacy to say,

1565
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 11: wait a second, this whole state was founded upon separate

1566
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 11: and unequal on Jewish supremacy on a point of view

1567
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 11: that we reject as Americans and we should reject everywhere

1568
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 11: in the world. And so I think that's the first

1569
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 11: meaningful change that I've seen when we talk about Palestine.

1570
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 11: And then of course settle colonialism is built into that analysis.

1571
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 11: Things get a little bit different when you zoom out

1572
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 11: let me just talk about domestic I think that when

1573
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,679
Speaker 11: you talk to people on the left, the universalist argument

1574
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 11: everybody's created equal is very, very powerful and resonant, and

1575
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 11: it's the one that I believe in. But what's happening

1576
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 11: on the right as well is an America first argument,

1577
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 11: and the word protectorate comes up repeatedly. Why are we

1578
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 11: investing so much in a protectorate? Tucker Carlston powerfully, I

1579
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 11: think for his audience, and this is probably the most

1580
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 11: influential commentator in the United States to day, but powerfully,

1581
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 11: you know, said, this country has half the size, half

1582
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 11: the economy the state of Connecticut. Why have we invested

1583
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 11: so much political capital, so much money and something which

1584
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 11: is so immaterial, especially when it pays a big negative

1585
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 11: dividend in lots of different ways. So the nativist argument

1586
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 11: is meeting the universalist argument. But the core analysis around

1587
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 11: settled colonialism, around the lack of legitimacy for a supremacist state,

1588
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 11: gives rise to both of those arguments. That access to

1589
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 11: the substrate. I would say, Palestinians who want to see

1590
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 11: a Palestinian state, and how you're going back to Palestine,

1591
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,840
Speaker 11: I don't know what that means today. I've heard perspectives

1592
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 11: that availing ourselves of statehood as a legal construct will

1593
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 11: mean that you can now access legal frameworks to pursue

1594
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 11: justice in the courts wherever they may exist. I hope

1595
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 11: that's true. Let's see what works out. I think there

1596
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 11: are people who are trying to take Israeli men dual

1597
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:36,679
Speaker 11: nationals who participated in the genocide to court in France.

1598
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 11: I think by using some of the some of the

1599
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 11: laws that exists between recognized states and non states, or

1600
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 11: maybe the UK. Let's see if robber meets road there.

1601
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 11: I support those tactics, but practically, when you're talking about

1602
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:56,600
Speaker 11: Palestinian liberation, I don't believe that a state which has

1603
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 11: been colonized out of existence and you kind of have

1604
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 11: to look at a map to see what I mean here.

1605
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 11: But the West Bank is thoroughly colonized, Gaza is still

1606
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:07,679
Speaker 11: occupied by the Israelis and will likely be slowly ethnically

1607
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 11: cleansed over time and not rebuilt. I fail to see

1608
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 11: how a state illegal construct is going to yield real

1609
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 11: benefits for the people on the ground now in Palestine.

1610
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 10: I agree, and I think that the continuation of this

1611
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,840
Speaker 10: framework the statehood framework that a lot of our kind

1612
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 10: of political elites in the Palestinian landscape continue to use,

1613
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 10: and a lot of these countries in the global North

1614
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 10: use also to bypass with work that actually needs to

1615
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 10: be done after a genocide.

1616
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 9: It's certainly a distraction in.

1617
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 10: My view, but it also speaks to the renewal that

1618
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:48,719
Speaker 10: needs to happen within Palestinian politics and within the PLO.

1619
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 9: But that's a bigger matter.

1620
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 10: My next question was going to be on the Palsine

1621
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:07,560
Speaker 10: and American diaspora. In what ways do you think the

1622
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 10: passing American diaspora is alike with people in historic Palestine,

1623
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 10: with other diasporas, and in what.

1624
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 9: Ways do you think that they're unique.

1625
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 11: That's a hard question for me to answer. I think

1626
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 11: the diaspora, in the way that I've interacted with people's

1627
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 11: is diverse. What people have in common is a common

1628
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 11: reference point, the NECA. They have a common understanding around

1629
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 11: the illegitimacy of Israel as an ethno state which takes

1630
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 11: Jewish supremacy as its point of departure. But it's a

1631
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 11: very diverse diaspora. I mean, our first palacan American in

1632
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:44,559
Speaker 11: Congress is justin Amash who.

1633
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 5: Is on the right.

1634
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:46,760
Speaker 3: That's right.

1635
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:47,800
Speaker 9: I always forget about him.

1636
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean he had relatives who were murdered in

1637
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 11: Visa at a church in northern Vesia, which dates back

1638
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 11: to I think the eleventh century. So we're diverse diaspora.

1639
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 11: I think the palace in diaspora in the United States

1640
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 11: is integrated. It's educated. That's the passport for lots of

1641
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 11: Palestinians around the world. Is how you get out, It's

1642
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:10,719
Speaker 11: how you build alive. We have a very high literacy

1643
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 11: rate in Palestine, exceeds ninety nine point five percent. But

1644
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 11: I think where the diaspora hasn't, at least in the

1645
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:21,720
Speaker 11: United States, done as effective a job. And this is

1646
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,519
Speaker 11: kind of the natural trajectory I think of diaspora communities generally.

1647
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 11: I don't know that we're as aggressive and organized as

1648
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 11: we could be. And I want to emphasize the word aggressive,

1649
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:36,559
Speaker 11: the idea that we can go out and compete at

1650
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:38,840
Speaker 11: all levels of government, that we can go out and

1651
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 11: assert our understanding of history backed by facts. We should

1652
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 11: be doing more of that, especially when you look kind

1653
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 11: of across the board when it comes to people who

1654
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 11: are doing well in medicine or in business, you know,

1655
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 11: where there's been a real career risk for speaking out

1656
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:59,600
Speaker 11: and for being assertive. We can do more now, and

1657
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:03,120
Speaker 11: we should use the leverage game through two years of

1658
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 11: genocide the most expensive access to leverage I can imagine,

1659
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:09,839
Speaker 11: to push much harder politically.

1660
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's a very good point.

1661
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:16,680
Speaker 10: I'm also wondering how well you think the Palestinian organizing

1662
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 10: groups and spaces, how well integrated are they into other

1663
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 10: activist issue areas.

1664
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think this is where when I was in college,

1665
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 11: I didn't know the word intersectionality. That wasn't a concept

1666
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 11: that really was one that people thought about. You know,

1667
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 11: you would host an event and you would invite your friends,

1668
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 11: some of whom would be in the Black students group,

1669
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 11: some of whom would be in the Queer students group,

1670
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 11: and just regular left groups. But today I'd say that

1671
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 11: activists have a much more complete sense of how you

1672
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:51,959
Speaker 11: almost have a social quilt, and a compression on one

1673
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 11: part of it will impact everything else that's related to it,

1674
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 11: and we're all interrelated in that way. I'd say that

1675
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 11: the most potent discussions around Palestine are coming from left

1676
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:07,240
Speaker 11: organizing groups, not exactly Palestinian organizing groups. I think if

1677
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 11: I could offer gentle criticism of Palistine organizers, there's been

1678
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 11: too much and you sawvicely with uncommitted, too much effort

1679
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 11: to ingratiate yourselves to the existing power apparatus to ask

1680
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 11: for a seat at the table. When it's somebody like

1681
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:26,719
Speaker 11: Zoron Mumdani again who demanded a seat at the table

1682
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:31,519
Speaker 11: through an unrelenting focus on the issues, achieved access to

1683
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 11: a platform, then nobody wanted to seed. And I don't

1684
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 11: think that following the rules exactly or being friendly about

1685
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 11: accessing platforms within the democratic parties one yield a huge

1686
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 11: benefit to Palestinian Americans or people here. I'd say the

1687
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 11: most principled organizing is organizing that's going to win, and

1688
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:54,639
Speaker 11: today that comes from non Palestinian groups, and I'm okay

1689
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 11: with that. I don't really think it matters if the

1690
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 11: best argument is coming from somebody whose family comes from

1691
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 11: South Asia through Uganda or somebody whose family emerges from

1692
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 11: you know, the Balata refugee camp, that doesn't really matter

1693
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 11: to me. I think just to focus on the principles

1694
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 11: is the most important thing.

1695
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, right right.

1696
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:16,680
Speaker 10: I think we're definitely seeing more of an acceptance of that.

1697
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 10: I agree with the limitations that you referenced. I also

1698
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:24,800
Speaker 10: sometimes do reflect on how matched the discussion is in

1699
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:28,280
Speaker 10: the United States with the discussion in historic Palestine, and

1700
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:31,679
Speaker 10: what activists can do to kind of bridge some gaps

1701
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 10: that might emerge. But of course, understanding that we do

1702
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 10: exist in a different political reality and we obviously will

1703
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 10: develop different views as a result of that.

1704
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 11: I agree, and look, I mean, nobody needs to be

1705
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:46,679
Speaker 11: apologetic about inhabiting a different reality. You know, we don't

1706
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:49,680
Speaker 11: need to defer to a leadership which is divided and

1707
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 11: divided in Palestine and PLO that won't talk to itself,

1708
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:54,760
Speaker 11: and there are structural reasons for that, right, I mean,

1709
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:56,839
Speaker 11: the Israelis and the Americans have done a very effective

1710
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 11: job in splintering palaestinine leadership. I think we need to

1711
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 11: extremely locally. There are issues that matter to my community

1712
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 11: in West Philadelphia, bigger issues across Pennsylvania that impact my life,

1713
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 11: that impact my life as a father of three little girls.

1714
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:16,680
Speaker 11: So I think being a member of a community and

1715
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 11: focusing again relentlessly on the principles and the fact that

1716
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:23,799
Speaker 11: we've known all along is critical to pushing the conversation

1717
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:27,639
Speaker 11: on palsign forward and practically today, for me, that means

1718
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 11: an arms embargo, it means sanctions, it means a cultural boycott,

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Speaker 11: and it means those things unapologetically. Again, those are principal

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Speaker 11: positions that I can take as an American citizen, a

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01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:43,320
Speaker 11: citizen in a country which has underwritten genocide, has underwritten

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Speaker 11: apartheid for decades.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 10: I think I agree with that analysis. As the author,

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Speaker 10: which we didn't mention at the beginning, as the author

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Speaker 10: one of the co authors of After Zionism with Anthony Lonstein,

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Speaker 10: I'm going to pose a difficult question for you now.

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01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 10: I'm just joking, not that you have to answer fully,

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01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 10: but where do you think we go from here? Where

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01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 10: do you think the pro Palestine movement goes from here?

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01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:07,760
Speaker 10: And if you can reflect in your answer on where

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01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:09,599
Speaker 10: we've stalled as well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: So I used to believe in one state for everybody

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01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 11: with equal rights. Today I think the writing is on

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01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 11: the wall for the Palestinians in Palestine. The ethnic cleansing

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01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 11: of Palestine is preceded the fact that has been utterly destroyed,

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01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 11: utterly destroyed. There are no universities, no schools, no really

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01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:34,320
Speaker 11: functioning hospitals. The basic infrastructure required for the maintenance of

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01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 11: life doesn't exist there anymore. That's part of why it's

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Speaker 11: a genocide. We've got to take that reality into account.

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Speaker 11: The Palestinians and Za the Palestinians and Palestine generally have

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01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:47,760
Speaker 11: the right to pursue life. They have a right to

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01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 11: an education, they have a right to self actualization, and

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01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:52,519
Speaker 11: many of them, when they can, they're going to leave.

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Speaker 11: That's the ethnic cleansing program, that's the idea behind the

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01:36:56,760 --> 01:37:00,719
Speaker 11: mass destruction of Palestine. The Israelis are sixty in that regard.

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Speaker 11: I would say, we need to be mindful of that.

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01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 11: We need to be aware of that. So what I

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01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:08,200
Speaker 11: think will happen ultimately is that you'll end up with

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01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:12,759
Speaker 11: some rump community of Palestinians in Palestine who are eventually

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01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 11: when in arms embargoes enacted. And I hope it's within

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01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 11: our lifetimes when the sanctions are enacted, when Israel is

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01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:22,559
Speaker 11: forced to become a normal country with equal rights for all,

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01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 11: will continue to exist in that space. I don't know,

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01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:28,800
Speaker 11: you know, I can't predict, nobody can really predict what's

1757
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 11: certainty what's going to happen. But the kinds of pressure

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01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 11: required to cause Israel to become a de radicalized normal

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01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 11: society will take time to produce. And in the interim,

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01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 11: the writing is on the wall for the Palacinians in Palestine,

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01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 11: and I think that's the saddust for me part of

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Speaker 11: all this. The continuity of Palacinian life and Palestine is

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01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:58,360
Speaker 11: not guaranteed. You know, the overwhelming force of the state

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01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:01,599
Speaker 11: exists in one place, and that's in Israel.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's why I when a lot of people talk

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01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:08,880
Speaker 10: positively about the developments of the past two years, of

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01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:11,519
Speaker 10: course you want to feel hope. You want to highlight

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01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 10: how the discussion has changed here in America, how politics

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01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 10: is moving forward. You want to have some pathway. But

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01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:22,720
Speaker 10: we never were able to prevent that genocide. Nothing we

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01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 10: did in any avenue. All of us have, you know,

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01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 10: different positionalities, engaged with different actors, like none of it

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01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:32,400
Speaker 10: actually stopped that, and.

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Speaker 9: That is a very hard pill to swallow.

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Speaker 3: I hope.

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Speaker 10: I've always been hoping that at least that will allow

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01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:43,360
Speaker 10: us to get to the place of self reflection about

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01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 10: what radical solutions look like in the aftermath of this

1779
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:47,719
Speaker 10: kind of disaster.

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Speaker 9: And yeah, I hope that's that's where we go from here.

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Speaker 10: On my end, Yeah, thank you so much, Ahmad that

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01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:57,360
Speaker 10: this has been a really enriching discussion, and I think

1783
01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 10: that the listeners will benefit from this overarching view of

1784
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 10: Ptal Palace on activism and it's intersections with everything we're

1785
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:08,040
Speaker 10: seeing unfold.

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Speaker 11: So thank you so much again, Thank you, Donna. It's

1787
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:11,599
Speaker 11: been a huge fighter.

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Speaker 4: Two weeks ago, four days before Halloween, former Fox News

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01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:35,920
Speaker 4: anchor Tucker Carlson hosted the twenty seven year old white

1790
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 4: pharmacist influencer Nick Fuentes on Tucker's popular internet show. Two

1791
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Speaker 4: weeks later, this interview has over six million views on YouTube,

1792
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 4: over half million on Rumble, and eighteen million alleged views

1793
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:55,759
Speaker 4: on x the Everything app with over one hundred thousand

1794
01:39:56,040 --> 01:40:00,360
Speaker 4: likes and twenty thousand retweets, plus the unknown number of

1795
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:05,360
Speaker 4: views from podcasting platforms like Apple or Spotify, on which

1796
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Speaker 4: Tucker Carlson's show also airs. This is it could happen here.

1797
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Speaker 4: I'm Garrison Davis. Throughout the almost entirely friendly two hour interview,

1798
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:21,080
Speaker 4: Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson discussed Nick's libertarian origin story,

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01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:25,680
Speaker 4: his conversion to Trump's bombastic style of populism getting a

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Speaker 4: show on the Right Side Broadcast network as a teenager

1801
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 4: after a viral college debate, how the Daily Wire initially

1802
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:36,320
Speaker 4: befriended then tried to quash his early political career, and

1803
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:40,320
Speaker 4: how that pushed Nick to adopt a far right adversarial

1804
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 4: stance against mainstream conservatism and the gatekeepers of the conservative establishment,

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01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:51,640
Speaker 4: which Nick identified as the quote unquote Zionist Jews like

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01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 4: Ben Shapiro, Dave Rubin, and Dennis Prager. Here's Nick and Tucker.

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01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 6: It was these the guys that were really controlling the

1808
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:03,519
Speaker 6: media apparatus that seemed to me to be the biggest

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01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:05,519
Speaker 6: impediment Fox.

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Speaker 2: Fox is not a Jewish business though, well.

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01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:12,800
Speaker 6: Rupert Murdoch is an ally of Nan Yahoo, so he's aligned. Yeah,

1812
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:16,280
Speaker 6: and he owns the whole news corp empire, so and yeah,

1813
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Speaker 6: he's certainly a part of it.

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Speaker 3: Also.

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Speaker 2: I mean Dave Rubin though, does he matter?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 12: No, not really right, I mean Dave Rubin is like,

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01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:27,240
Speaker 12: I don't know if do people watch Dave Rubin?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

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Speaker 6: They did back then. I mean, because you got to

1821
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 6: consider they were kind of like the ascendant new media.

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01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:36,680
Speaker 6: You know, they represented the next big thing.

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Speaker 12: I mean and Ben Shapiro seems irrelevant to me now now,

1824
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:46,519
Speaker 12: but back then for I guess that's that's true, so

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Speaker 12: maybe you one.

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Speaker 3: Oh, certainly.

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Speaker 4: Tucker tried to advise Fuentes to focus more of his

1828
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 4: ire on Israel's influence on American politics as a foreign

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01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:04,680
Speaker 4: policy issue and not quote unquote blood guilt based on ethnicity,

1830
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 4: while Fuentes defended the necessity of his rhetoric against what

1831
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:13,000
Speaker 4: he called the quote unquote unique issue of quote unquote

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01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:17,799
Speaker 4: organized Jewry that promotes a form of identity politics, linking

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01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 4: Israel to quote Jewishness as an ethnicity, identity, and religion unquote,

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Speaker 4: which makes most culturally Jewish people incompatible with America first patriotism.

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01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:35,919
Speaker 4: This is basic dual loyalty anti Semitism, which Nick continued

1836
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:39,479
Speaker 4: to outline by framing Jewish people as a historically stateless

1837
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:43,679
Speaker 4: people that resist assimilation and put their own interests above

1838
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:48,160
Speaker 4: those of whichever non Jewish majority country they currently reside,

1839
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:52,040
Speaker 4: attention which the existence of Israel now heightens.

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Speaker 6: No other country has a strong identity like that. This religious,

1841
01:42:55,840 --> 01:43:00,440
Speaker 6: blood and soil confiction, this history of being in the diaspora, stateless,

1842
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:07,760
Speaker 6: wandering persecuted, and in particular the historic animosity between the

1843
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:11,800
Speaker 6: Jewish people and the Europeans. They hate the Romans because

1844
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:14,840
Speaker 6: the Romans destroyed the Temple. That's why Eric Weinstein goes

1845
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:17,240
Speaker 6: to the arch of Titus and gives it the finger

1846
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 6: and takes a picture.

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Speaker 2: We don't think like that.

1848
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:22,400
Speaker 6: As Americans and white people, we don't think about the

1849
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 6: Roman Empire in two thousand years ago.

1850
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Speaker 4: They do, right, Americans and Christians would never think about

1851
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:35,720
Speaker 4: Check's notes, the Roman Empire or the events of two

1852
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:41,000
Speaker 4: thousand years ago. Sure, Nick, Obviously, to many people listening

1853
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 4: to this show, Fuentes has been a known anti Semitic

1854
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:49,640
Speaker 4: stream control for nearly ten years, and Tucker himself knows this.

1855
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:54,880
Speaker 4: The main pushback Tucker gave Nick was on why Nick

1856
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:58,759
Speaker 4: attacked other figures on the far right who were possible

1857
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:03,679
Speaker 4: allies of the America First movement and America First foreign policy,

1858
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:08,280
Speaker 4: like Marjorie Taylor Green, jd Vance, Joe Kent, and Tucker himself.

1859
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:09,920
Speaker 2: Why attack them?

1860
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 6: Well, in short, they attacked me first. Yeah, but like

1861
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:18,240
Speaker 6: who cares? Well, let's take Joe camp I mean, you

1862
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:19,600
Speaker 6: attacked me constantly.

1863
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 4: Tucker also advocated framing that does not allow it. He

1864
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:27,680
Speaker 4: believes to be popular America first ideas like opposition to

1865
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:32,160
Speaker 4: foreign influence and dual citizenship to get subverted by leaning

1866
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:37,559
Speaker 4: into accusations of hate and racial prejudice, which during the interview,

1867
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:41,120
Speaker 4: Fuentes nominally agreed with some of them.

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Speaker 12: I'm sorry to be a conspiracy nut. I really try

1869
01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:46,519
Speaker 12: not to be a conspiracy because it's embarrassing, you know.

1870
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:50,439
Speaker 12: But after January sixth, then just finding out the number

1871
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:53,479
Speaker 12: of FBI personnel in the crowd, it's like, and I've

1872
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:56,120
Speaker 12: just seen this. David Duke is a great example. Some

1873
01:44:56,280 --> 01:45:00,600
Speaker 12: of these are the Charlottesville rally, had a bunch of

1874
01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:04,320
Speaker 12: Feds there being like we're white supremacist, we hate the blacks,

1875
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:05,760
Speaker 12: the Edward whatever.

1876
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:05,960
Speaker 3: You know.

1877
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,600
Speaker 6: It's like, that's not real, Like there is some of

1878
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 6: that going on, don't you think I think that. I

1879
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:14,840
Speaker 6: think that there's a lot of sincere people. Well, for sure,

1880
01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:17,719
Speaker 6: I completely agree, you know, and they're just non skulls.

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01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:22,040
Speaker 4: For some reason, Nick neglected to mention that he in

1882
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:25,840
Speaker 4: fact was at Charlottesville, and the backlash to the Unite

1883
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:28,679
Speaker 4: the Right rally forced him to drop out of college

1884
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:34,240
Speaker 4: and propelled his streaming career. Throughout this whole interview, it

1885
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:36,720
Speaker 4: mostly felt like Tucker was trying to act as a

1886
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:41,040
Speaker 4: mentor figure to Fuentes, advising him to let go of

1887
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 4: past beefs and providing a sort of clean slate to

1888
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:47,840
Speaker 4: allow Nick to present his political views in a more

1889
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:53,960
Speaker 4: streamlined manner as simply anti Israel as an extension of America. First,

1890
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 4: during the interview, Tucker himself explained his motives for inviting

1891
01:45:58,400 --> 01:45:59,679
Speaker 4: Fuentes on the show.

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Speaker 12: Do you hope that people who want to learn what's

1893
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:04,880
Speaker 12: happening and who you are will watch the whole thing?

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01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:07,720
Speaker 12: It's probably naive, hope that it won't be reduced to

1895
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:11,320
Speaker 12: whatever you're saying, something naughty and me laughing and see

1896
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 12: they're both Nazis. I mean, you know that's going to happen,

1897
01:46:13,439 --> 01:46:16,160
Speaker 12: of course, but I'm willing to take that risk because

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01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:20,320
Speaker 12: I just think it's important to know. You're clearly ascendant.

1899
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:23,920
Speaker 12: You're enormously talented, and more talent than I am for

1900
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 12: sure as a talker. So and they've you know, there

1901
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:28,880
Speaker 12: have been a lot of attempts to silence here and

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01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:31,680
Speaker 12: it hasn't worked. So my calculation obviously be as blun

1903
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:34,479
Speaker 12: as I can be. Is like, I don't want to

1904
01:46:34,479 --> 01:46:36,559
Speaker 12: have fun tests on it, be like you, but you're

1905
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:40,000
Speaker 12: a Nazi, just like fint does. Okay, but then I'm like,

1906
01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:43,680
Speaker 12: I don't think fetest is going away. Ben Shapiro tried

1907
01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:47,600
Speaker 12: to like strangle him in the crib in college, and

1908
01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 12: now he's bigger than ever, so it probably would just

1909
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:53,760
Speaker 12: be worth hearing what Nick Fuinntes thinks. I just want

1910
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:56,160
Speaker 12: to be transparent about my motives here, and I.

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Speaker 4: Think Tucker is right in calling Funtes ascendant. Talk more

1912
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:03,280
Speaker 4: about that at the end of this episode. For the

1913
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:08,000
Speaker 4: last thirty minutes of this interview, the two discussed pornography,

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01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:13,839
Speaker 4: alcohol and drugs as ruining America's young men through reality distortion,

1915
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:17,680
Speaker 4: and I had a whole segment on Nick fuent As

1916
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:23,400
Speaker 4: explaining to a confused Tucker Carlson the concept of internet pornography,

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Speaker 4: which unfortunately I had to cut for time. But if

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Speaker 4: there's enough demand for this on blue Sky or Reddit,

1919
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:33,479
Speaker 4: maybe I can make a bonus episode next week. Rather

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Speaker 4: than focusing on the substance of this interview in Tucker's motivation,

1921
01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:40,800
Speaker 4: a lot of mainstream reporting has just highlighted a few

1922
01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:47,320
Speaker 4: controversial sound bites like an offhand, semitrual comment about how

1923
01:47:47,439 --> 01:47:52,120
Speaker 4: Fuentez admires Stalin. But this interview did send shockwaves through

1924
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Speaker 4: the American conservative ecosystem, of which Fuentez was always held

1925
01:47:57,640 --> 01:48:02,240
Speaker 4: at a very long arms length away. In the immediate

1926
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Speaker 4: wake of the interview, references to Tucker were curiously removed

1927
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Speaker 4: from the Heritage Foundation's donor page in partnership with the

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Speaker 4: Tucker Carlson Network. On October thirtieth, Heritage President Kevin Roberts

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Speaker 4: released a video defending Tucker, captioned, there has been speculation

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Speaker 4: that Heritage is distancing itself from Tucker Carlson over the

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Speaker 4: past twenty four hours. I want to put that to

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Speaker 4: rest right now.

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Speaker 13: Conservatives should feel no obligation to reflexively support any foreign government,

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Speaker 13: no matter how loud the pressure becomes from the globalist

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Speaker 13: class or from their mouthpieces in Washington. The Heritage Foundation

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Speaker 13: didn't become the intellectual backbone of the conservative movement by

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Speaker 13: canceling our own people or policing the consciences of Christians,

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Speaker 13: and we won't start doing that now. We will always

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Speaker 13: defend our friends against the slander of bad actors who

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Speaker 13: serve someone else's agenda. That includes Tucker Carlson, who remains

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Speaker 13: and as I have said before, always will be a

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Speaker 13: close friend of the Heritage Foundation. The venomous coalition attacking

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Speaker 13: him or sewing division, their attempt to cancel him will fail.

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Speaker 13: Most importantly, the American people expect us to be focusing

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Speaker 13: on our political adversaries on the left, not attacking our

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Speaker 13: friends on the right. I disagree with and even a

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Speaker 13: poor things that Nick Fuintes says, but canceling him is

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Speaker 13: not the answer either. When we disagree with the person's

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Speaker 13: thoughts and opinions, we challenge those ideas and debate. And

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Speaker 13: we have seen success in this approach as we continue

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Speaker 13: to dismantle the vile ideas of the left.

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Speaker 4: Roberts primarily framed this as an issue of cancelation and

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Speaker 4: included some pretty sketchy lines in that video. Roberts also

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Speaker 4: said that Heritage doesn't quote take direction from members or donors.

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Speaker 4: This video was polarizing, to say the least. Nick Fuentes fans,

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Speaker 4: who are called gropers and America First nationalists rejoiced and

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Speaker 4: claimed victory, while many GOP establishment figures, Jewish Republicans, and

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Speaker 4: many Heritage employees were left bamboozled. The New York Post

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Speaker 4: published internal Heritage group chats with staff members, writing that

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Speaker 4: this was quote the most embarrassed I've ever been to

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Speaker 4: be a Heritage employee. It's not close end quote. I'm

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Speaker 4: disgusted by this and don't understand how this premeditated and

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Speaker 4: orchestrated response could come out of one of the biggest

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Speaker 4: think tanks in the world. Unquote more texts read quote

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Speaker 4: saying we can't cancel someone is safe space wokeism and

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Speaker 4: quote if we are labeled on the same side as

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Speaker 4: Nick Fuentez, then we deserve to lose. Talking with some

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Speaker 4: of the interns, I think that there is a growing

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Speaker 4: number of them who actually agree with Fuentez's views. Now

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Speaker 4: beyond employee dissent, sources close to Heritage told The New

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Speaker 4: York Post that the think tank has been quote unquote

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Speaker 4: hemorrhaging Evangelical, Christian and Jewish donors. David Bernstein, the author

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Speaker 4: of Woke Anti Semitism and a former member of the

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Speaker 4: task force a Heritage called Project Ester, a National Strategy

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Speaker 4: to combat anti Semitism, told The New York Post on

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Speaker 4: November three that he had resigned from his position over

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Speaker 4: Kevin Roberts's remarks citing the language of a venomous coalition

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Speaker 4: aligned against Tucker. To quote Jewish Insider quote, Rabbi Yakov Mencken,

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Speaker 4: executive vice president of the Coalition for Jewish Values, told

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Speaker 4: Jewish Insider that Robert's message quote was the most tone

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Speaker 4: deaf in both its content and timing that I've ever

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Speaker 4: heard from major Washington organization on any political side. On quote,

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Speaker 4: Menkin resigned from Heritage's Protrogester, the group's anti Semitism initiative,

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Speaker 4: last week, sponds to Robert's video message defending Carlson. Along

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Speaker 4: with Menken and Polition for Jewish Voices, several other groups

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Speaker 4: have also publicly disaffiliated from Heritage's anti Semitism task force,

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Speaker 4: including the National Jewish Advocacy Center, the Zionist Organization of America,

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Speaker 4: and the Young Jewish Conservatives. On Halloween, Heritage president Kevin

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Speaker 4: Roberts made a post summarizing a small sampling of Fuentes's

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Speaker 4: most racist, anti Semitic, and pro Hitler views and said quote,

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Speaker 4: our task is to confront and challenge those poisonous ideas

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Speaker 4: at every turn to prevent them from taking America to

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Speaker 4: a very dark place. Join us not to cancel, but

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Speaker 4: to guide, challenge, and strengthen the conversation, and be confident

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Speaker 4: as I am, that our best ideas at the heart

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Speaker 4: of Western civilization will prevail. For those, especially young men,

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Speaker 4: who are enticed by Fuentes and his acolytes online, there

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Speaker 4: is a better way way. Roberts has repeatedly said that

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Speaker 4: attempting to cancel Fwenttes would only grow his audience, as

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Speaker 4: opposed to whatever Roberts is doing by playing foot seaes

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Speaker 4: with Tucker and Fuentes, resulting in multiple news stories a

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Speaker 4: day name dropping Fwenttes and massively raising his public profile.

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Speaker 13: It would not invite him to a heritage event or

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Speaker 13: to my show. But the point is we have to

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Speaker 13: find other avenues to engage the ridiculous ideas that he's saying,

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Speaker 13: rather than, as many people have called for online, that

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Speaker 13: you can just shun him, that you can just ignore him,

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Speaker 13: and that the problem goes away. My motivation for posting

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Speaker 13: that video yesterday, especially looking ahead towards twenty twenty six

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Speaker 13: and twenty twenty eight, is that we have to engage

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Speaker 13: those issues if we want to build a movement. I

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Speaker 13: understand that, particularly for our Jewish friends who ought to

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Speaker 13: be upset about Twintest's comments about anti Semitism, that he's

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Speaker 13: just anathema.

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Speaker 3: I agree with that as well.

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Speaker 13: But if we're going to actually correct the scourge of

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Speaker 13: anti Semitism, we've got to go convince those unfortunately millions

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Speaker 13: of young men who find that appealing. I do believe

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Speaker 13: that they're convincible. I believe that people like you, hopefully

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Speaker 13: people like us at Heritage, and even people like Tucker

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Speaker 13: might be able to play a role in that.

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Speaker 4: Following backlash to Kevin Roberts's initial statement, Roberts chief of

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Speaker 4: staff Ryan Neuhause resigned from Heritage after being reassigned as

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Speaker 4: a senior advisor in housing policy, a position sources told

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Speaker 4: New York Post was the quote unquote Siberia of Heritage.

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Speaker 4: Before resigning, Newhouse reposted messages defending Robert's video, including a

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Speaker 4: post advocating that quote unquote virtue signaling employees at the

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Speaker 4: Heritage Foundation should resign if they're so outraged by Robert's statement.

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Speaker 4: During Halloween weekend, lawyer Mark Goldfetter resigned from the Heritage

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Speaker 4: affiliated National Task Force to Combat Anti Semitism, writing on

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Speaker 4: X the Everything app I cannot serve under someone who

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Speaker 4: thinks Nazis are worth debating. On November one, Princeton University

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Speaker 4: professor Robert P. George, member of the Heritage Board of Trustees,

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Speaker 4: who allegedly has been attempting to oust Roberts as the

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Speaker 4: head of the foundation. In the wake of this controversy,

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Speaker 4: posted on x the Everything app quote American conservatism today

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Speaker 4: faces a challenge. That challenge comes from those who reject

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Speaker 4: our commitment to inherent an equal human dignity. They are

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Speaker 4: seeking acceptance in the conservative movement and its institutions, and

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Speaker 4: they do so with the ultimate objective of transforming them

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Speaker 4: by undermining that commitment. I cannot accept the idea that

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Speaker 4: we have no enemies to the right. The white supremacists,

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Speaker 4: anti semites, the eugenicists, bigots must not be welcome into

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Speaker 4: our movement or treated as normal or acceptable.

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Speaker 3: Unquote. You sure about that, Robert P.

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Speaker 4: George, This Conservative commitment to inherent and equal human.

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Speaker 3: Dignity, you share about this? You sure about that?

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Speaker 4: Surely the American Conservatives aren't restricting people's health care and

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Speaker 4: pushing them off food stamps, and kidnapping and uprooting families

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Speaker 4: and sending them to far off countries. Seems like all

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Speaker 4: those things would breach this commitment to inherent andy equal

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Speaker 4: human dignity. I never thought the leopards would eat my face,

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Speaker 4: sobs Heritage Board of Trustees member who voted for the

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Speaker 4: leopards eating people's faces party, We'll be right back after

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Speaker 4: these ads. The conservative in fighting intensified went On November three,

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Speaker 4: Monday morning, Ben Shapiro released a forty minute video captioned,

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Speaker 4: no to the gropers, No to cowards like a Tucker

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Speaker 4: Carlson who normalized their trash, No to those who championed them,

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Speaker 4: noted demoralization, note a bigger tree and anti meritocratic horseshit.

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Speaker 4: No to anti Americanism.

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Speaker 14: No, that fragmentation is being caused purposefully by a splinter

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Speaker 14: faction of people led by a young man named Nick Flintes.

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Speaker 14: They call themselves the Groupers. They are white supremacists. They

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Speaker 14: hate women, Jews, Hindus, many types of Christians, brown, people

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Speaker 14: of a wide variety of backgrounds, Blacks, America's foreign policy,

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Speaker 14: and America's constitution. They admire Hitler and Stalin, and that

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Speaker 14: splinter faction is now being facilitated and normalized within the

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Speaker 14: mainstream Republican Party. The main agent in that normalization is

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Speaker 14: Tucker Carlson, who is an intellectual coward, a dishonest interlocutor,

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Speaker 14: and a terrible friend. And Tucker Carlson last week was aided,

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Speaker 14: a betted, celebrated for normalizing Nazism within the Republican Party

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Speaker 14: by the mainstay organization of the traditional right, the Heritage Foundation.

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Speaker 4: Shapiro then had to preface his comments by saying, quote,

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Speaker 4: this is not about free speech or cancellation end quote.

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Speaker 4: Criticisms of bad speech is in fact just a form

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Speaker 4: of free speechuote and went on this lengthy diet tribe

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Speaker 4: to explain how what he's doing isn't cancelation, which Ben

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Speaker 4: defined as banning people from the social media and publishing platforms.

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Speaker 4: What would be more accurately described as deplatforming, as opposed

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Speaker 4: to like social cancelation, which is not something that Ben

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Speaker 4: is calling for. That is not calling for deplatforming.

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Speaker 14: It is not cancelation to draw moral lines between viewpoints.

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Speaker 14: In fact, we used to call that one of the

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Speaker 14: key aspects of conservatism. It is not cancelation to refuse

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Speaker 14: to signal boost Hitler supporters like Nick Flentes. It is

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Speaker 14: not cancelation to criticize Tucker Carlson for rhetorically fluffing Nick

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Speaker 14: Flentes and other anti American crackpots. It's not cancelation if

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Speaker 14: you urge others to stop promoting those who rhetorically fluff

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Speaker 14: Nazi apologists. Those are all elements of free speech, and

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Speaker 14: anyone who says differently is lying to you, and lying

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Speaker 14: for the most cynical reasons to misdirect from their own

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Speaker 14: defense of those Nazi apologists and their promoters. The issue

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Speaker 14: here isn't that Tucker Carlson had Nick Flints on his

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Speaker 14: show last week. He has ever read to do that.

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Speaker 14: Of course, The issue here is that Tucker Carlson decided

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Speaker 14: to normalize and fluff Nick Flantes, and that the Heritage

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Speaker 14: Foundation then decided to robustly defend that performance. Those who

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Speaker 14: criticize both Tucker and Heritage aren't canceling. They are quite

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Speaker 14: properly drawing a moral line. Now, from Tucker Carlson's interview,

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Speaker 14: you might have gathered that Flintes has some borderline views

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Speaker 14: on race, a peculiar obsession with what he calls organized jeury,

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Speaker 14: and a rather sad relationship with the female sex. But

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Speaker 14: probably you, Kim weigh thinking that for the most part,

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Speaker 14: Flintes lives on the radical edge of normality. You think

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Speaker 14: that if you watch the interview. Because Tucker Carlson decided

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Speaker 14: that it was important not only to host Flintes, but

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Speaker 14: to smooth over his views, water them down, and make

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Speaker 14: them far more palatable to a normal audience.

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Speaker 4: Ben proceeded to do a ten minute Nick Fuentes clip show,

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Speaker 4: playing a slick collection of some of the most defensive

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Speaker 4: things Nick has said to camera, and then blamed the

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Speaker 4: Left for creating the conditions that let this hatred emerge,

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Speaker 4: framing Fuentes as the dialectical inverse of the hyper woke,

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Speaker 4: id pole Left.

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Speaker 14: And there's no doubt that Nick fuant Has has a

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Speaker 14: lot of play these days. That's because the Left, by

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Speaker 14: moving into a politics of anti white, anti Christian, anti

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Speaker 14: male identitarianism, created its bizarro mirror image, a white, pseudo

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Speaker 14: Christian in cell identitarian movement dedicated to destroying the institutions

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Speaker 14: of this country and replacing Americanism with something else. Nick

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Speaker 14: Flint's philosophy is not fully formed. It's an incoherent stew

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Speaker 14: of malignity.

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Speaker 4: The left did not create Nick Fuentes. He is the

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Speaker 4: direct product of the right wing content ecosystem that Shapiro

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Speaker 4: himself trailblazed. It's Ben Shapiro, but taken even further with

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Speaker 4: post ironic gen Z brainwrot. Even if Fuentes himself has

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Speaker 4: been banned from many of the big tent conservative events,

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Speaker 4: his idea is still festered, spread under the radar, and

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Speaker 4: influenced the further radicalization of other right wing commentators so

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Speaker 4: that they could better compete with Fuentes. Tucker himself was

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Speaker 4: a part of this. The twenty nineteen quote unquote Groper War,

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Speaker 4: in which Nick Fuentes deployed his fans to disrupt turning

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Speaker 4: Point usa Q and A events with leading questions, pressured

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Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk to adopt viewpoints further and further to the right,

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Speaker 4: specifically on race and immigration and now the White Great

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Speaker 4: replacement is basically a mainstream conservative viewpoint, and Fuentes played

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Speaker 4: a huge part in that. This is in fact your problem, Ben.

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Speaker 4: For the rest of this forty minute video, Shapiro directed

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Speaker 4: his attention to Tucker Carlson, criticizing his defense of Russia

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Speaker 4: and multi polar views. Tucker's pro dictator comments, populist criticism

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Speaker 4: of Trump, and sort of dodgy anti Israel statements. Shapiro

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Speaker 4: highlighted comments Tucker made during the Fuentez interview where he

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Speaker 4: lampooned high profile Republicans and neocons who have been quote

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Speaker 4: unquote seized by the pro Israel quote unquote brain virus,

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Speaker 4: with Tucker claiming that he dislikes Christian Zionists quote more

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Speaker 4: than anybody unquote because it's Christian heresy. Shapiro described the

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Speaker 4: function of Tucker's current online platform as a safe space

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Speaker 4: to bring on conspiracy theorists, fringe figures, alternative historians, and

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Speaker 4: those just outside the overt window to then quote unquote

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Speaker 4: gloss them. As Shapiro says, it's not about building a

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Speaker 4: radicalization pipeline out of the mainstream, but bringing the actual

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Speaker 4: radical ideas to the mainstream.

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Speaker 14: Tucker Carlson act as an ideological launderer for other people's evils.

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Speaker 14: Tucker Carlson says many inflammatory things, always buying back just

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Speaker 14: enough of it to appear as though he's not saying

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Speaker 14: what he's clearly saying. He's a master of gas lighting.

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Speaker 14: Tucker Carlson, for example, would never say out loud what

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Speaker 14: Nick Flintes does. He wouldn't say the things many of

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Speaker 14: his guests say, and so instead he acts as an

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Speaker 14: ideological launderer. He takes other people's hideous ideas, he softens them,

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Speaker 14: he treats them with love and care, and then he

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Speaker 14: provides them with a massive signal boost. He isn't merely

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Speaker 14: talking to people in good faith, of course, He's promoting

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Speaker 14: certain people and ideas and attacking others. This is how

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Speaker 14: Tucker Carlson's ideological laundering works. You bring your dirty, ugly

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Speaker 14: ideologies to Tucker Carlson's rhetorical car wash. He mixes it

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Speaker 14: with some of the fstigial respect Americans have for him

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Speaker 14: from his Fox News days, and voila, hideous ideas suddenly

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Speaker 14: become mainstream. And then, of course Tucker denies he said

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Speaker 14: anything controversial at all. He was just asking questions, He

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Speaker 14: was just interviewing people. You don't want him to cancel people,

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Speaker 14: do you.

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Speaker 4: Ben continued to complain about Tucker platforming Candace Owentz and

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Speaker 4: her increasingly anti Semitic conspiracy theorists. Except remember it was

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Speaker 4: your company that gave Candace a huge, huge platform after

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Speaker 4: she left turning point end Prager you is she also

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Speaker 4: a consequence of the woke left, like Fuentes is Shapiro.

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Speaker 4: The call is coming from inside your own company to

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Speaker 4: further demonstrate how much of this stuff is downstream from Shapiro.

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Speaker 4: It's actually because of Candace that Fuentes even went on

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Speaker 4: Tucker's show at all. Candace had Fuentes on her show

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Speaker 4: a few months prior, and when she went on Tucker's show,

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Speaker 4: she told him how great Fuentes is and argued in

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Speaker 4: his defense. As for Heritage, Ben acknowledged his long standing

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Speaker 4: positive relationship with the Heritage Foundation, working with him since

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Speaker 4: he was just seventeen years old, and recently had Kevin

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Speaker 4: Roberts on his show to promote Roberts's latest book.

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Speaker 14: Which is why what Kevin Roberts did last week is

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Speaker 14: tragic and awful. He put out a statement the Heritage

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Speaker 14: Foundation didn't just stand by Tucker Carlson. Kevin instead said

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Speaker 14: openly and repeat that Tucker Carlson can do nothing ever

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Speaker 14: that will sever his relationship with the conservative movement. He

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Speaker 14: said that after an in defense of Tucker's glossing of

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Speaker 14: Hitler defender Nick Flentes, and he added that only members

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Speaker 14: of the globalist class direct quote a venomous coalition direct

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Speaker 14: quote subject to the dictates of someone else's agenda direct quote,

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Speaker 14: oppose Heritage's ongoing relationship with Tucker Carlson, which means that,

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Speaker 14: according to Kevin Roberts, apparently anyone opposing the ongoing mainstreaming

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Speaker 14: of Tucker Carlson is acting on behalf of a foreign power.

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Speaker 14: Kevin's statement is a betrayal of the Heritage Foundation's history

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Speaker 14: and principles, which is presumably by both Tucker Carlson and

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Speaker 14: Nick Foin, says loved It.

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Speaker 4: Shapiro still expressed the need for an organization like Heritage

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Speaker 4: that focuses on ideas to over personal loyalty to grifters,

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Speaker 4: and expressed hope that Heritage could recover from this controversy

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Speaker 4: and speak out against the quote unquote moral rot that

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Speaker 4: threatens our future. But if no, Conservatives may need to

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Speaker 4: look for leadership elsewhere. And the cause of this moral

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Speaker 4: rot political horseshoe theory that is destroying both parties, with

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Speaker 4: the GOP being eaten by radicals.

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Speaker 14: Like the Democratic Party, the Republican Party is being eaten

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Speaker 14: by its radicals. Many in the political class are too

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Speaker 14: cowardly to stand up. Apparently they're willing to play footsie

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Speaker 14: with Grouper's and hug Tucker Carlson out of fear of

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Speaker 14: somehow losing support. They've been bamboozled by the lies of

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Speaker 14: the ex algorithm and the TikTok metrics. The left followed

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Speaker 14: its radicals to electoral hell. Apparently many on the right

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Speaker 14: wish to do the same. Forget the morality, then, for

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Speaker 14: just a moment, let's be pragmatic. Here is the thing.

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Speaker 14: Americans hate Nick Flents' philosophy. They think it's trash. Republicans,

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Speaker 14: by the polling, think it's trash. Independence think it's trash.

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Speaker 14: Democrats think it's trash. And here's the other thing. Americans

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Speaker 14: hate Tucker Carlson's wandered anti americanism. Republicans think it's trash,

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Speaker 14: Independents think it's trash, Democrats think it trash. Americans are

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Speaker 14: not pro segregation, pro rape, anti woman, pro child marriage,

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Speaker 14: anti black, anti Jew, anti Indian, anti Latino, anti constitution,

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Speaker 14: pro hitler nut jobs like Nickquantas.

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Speaker 4: You might want to tell that to I don't know,

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Speaker 4: Stephen Miller, Ben and like maybe half your employees Here's

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Speaker 4: Matt Walsh's own description for his most recent Daily Wire

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Speaker 4: podcast episode, quote, Smali tribal conflict has made its way

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Speaker 4: into multiple American states. A man is arrested for shouting

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Speaker 4: f the Jews at Dave Portnoy. Meanwhile, ANTIFO riots with

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Speaker 4: no consequence. White liberal radio host kisses Jasmine Crockett's feet, Ben,

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Speaker 4: the call is coming from inside the Daily Wire House.

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Speaker 14: If Republicans decide to cower before the likes of neo

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Speaker 14: Nazis and their propagandizers, they deserve to lose, and they

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Speaker 14: will lose. Neo Nazi and they're propagandizers are not Republicans.

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Speaker 14: They're not America first, they're not Maga. They sure as

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Speaker 14: hell aren't conservative. These people aren't to my right, They're

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Speaker 14: not attached in any way to the fundamental principles of conservatism.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Ben, but they are. They are in the

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Speaker 4: Mega White House, they are on TV, on Fox News.

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Speaker 4: They're getting more views than you are on TikTok and

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Speaker 4: fucking rumble. Many have either worked for you or still

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Speaker 4: work for you, and you've been completely fine with all

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Speaker 4: of that as long as they've been sufficiently pro Israel.

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Speaker 4: Here's a Ben Shapiro tweet from September seventeenth, twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 4: and Culture tweets read Jews awful, nonsensical, and Culture is

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Speaker 4: also super pro Israel and has always been so I

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Speaker 4: won't lose sleep. I never thought the leopards would eat

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Speaker 4: my face, sobs conservative podcaster who voted for the leopards

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Speaker 4: eating people's faces party. The same day, Shapiro released this

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Speaker 4: forty minute video, Matt Walsh posted quote, Hat Buchanan didn't

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Speaker 4: just have good ideas, he was right about almost everything.

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Speaker 4: He's the most vindicated political figure of our lifetime.

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Speaker 3: Unquote.

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Speaker 4: If you want a fun, little ten minute side quest,

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Speaker 4: google Hat Buchanan, Nazi, Hat Buchanan, anti Semitism. Every few months,

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Speaker 4: these right wing ghouls get a harsh reminder of the

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Speaker 4: world that they have conjured into being. Remember the h

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Speaker 4: one B Visa debacle earlier this year, with Elon Musk

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Speaker 4: and Ramaswami upset that all of their racist fans don't

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Speaker 4: want to bring in immigrant workers after Elon funded a

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Speaker 4: campaign about how immigrants are stealing Americans jobs. As writer

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Speaker 4: John Gans put it, quote, the Geopie civil War is

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Speaker 4: between the vanilla fascists and the National Socialists unquote. At

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Speaker 4: the Republican You Wish Coalition fortieth anniversary summit, Congressman Randy

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Speaker 4: Fine proudly announced that he canceled an upcoming event with Heritage.

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Speaker 15: I was supposed to do an event with Heritage next week,

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Speaker 15: I think on Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: They don't know what I'm about to tell you. Right now,

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Speaker 3: we're canceling it.

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Speaker 15: They will have no future in my office, and I

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Speaker 15: will be calling on all of my colleagues on the

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Speaker 15: Republican side to do the same. If those who support

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Speaker 15: Tucker Carlson want to see a venomous coalition.

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Speaker 3: All they need to do is go look in the mirror.

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Speaker 4: During that same speech, he boasted about.

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Speaker 15: This, I've called for Zilron Mndami to be deported. The

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Speaker 15: only thing I want to see him running for is

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Speaker 15: his gate at JFK on the deportation flight to Uganda.

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Speaker 4: First they came for the communists, Randy. I never thought

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Speaker 4: the leopards would eat my face, sobs Florida congressman with

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Speaker 4: Twitter pronouns listed as Hebrew slash hammer, who's a member

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Speaker 4: of the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party. During the opening

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Speaker 4: to the Republican Jewish Coalition event. Ted Cruz addressed this

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Speaker 4: moment of fracture within the establishment right as a quote

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Speaker 4: unquote time of choosing, and said that in the past

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Speaker 4: six months he's quote seen more anti Semitism on the

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Speaker 4: right than I had in my entire life. This is

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Speaker 4: a poison, and I believe we are facing an existential

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Speaker 4: crisis in our party and our country unquote. Cruz later

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Speaker 4: shared a Free Press article on his comments. The CEO

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Speaker 4: of the Republican Jewish Coalition, Matt Brooks, pulled Jewish Insider

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Speaker 4: that he is quote appalled, offended, and disgusted that Kevin

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Speaker 4: Roberts in Heritage would stand with Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes,

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Speaker 4: that there would be a quotquote reassessment of our relationship

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Speaker 4: with Heritage in light of this, unquote. On November third,

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Speaker 4: Missouri Senator and J six's supporter Josh Hawley denounced Fuentes's

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Speaker 4: rhetoric as anti Semitic, telling Jewish Insider quote, that's not

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Speaker 4: who we are as Republicans, as conservatives. The question for

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Speaker 4: us as conservatives is are those views going to define

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Speaker 4: who we are? I think we need to say no.

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Speaker 4: As a conservative, but also as a Christian, there is

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Speaker 4: no place for anti Semitic hatred, tropes, any of that stuff.

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Speaker 4: Do we really want to be a part of what

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Speaker 4: we've seen happen on college campuses?

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Speaker 3: Unquote.

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Speaker 4: Senator James Langford of Oklahoma, the co chair of the

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Speaker 4: Senate Anti Semitism Task Force, told a Jewish Insider that

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Speaker 4: he was to quote a little surprised that Heritage jumped

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Speaker 4: out in support of Carlson and Nickfuentes to say, hey,

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Speaker 4: we want them in our camp after the statements that

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Speaker 4: were made. Heritage could have just sat back and not

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Speaker 4: said anything, but instead they chose to jump out on

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Speaker 4: their side.

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Speaker 3: I don't get that.

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Speaker 5: Unquote.

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Speaker 4: Like Ben Shapiro and Josh Holly, James Langford related this

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Speaker 4: to a perceived by partisan crisis. Quote, the left has

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Speaker 4: seen an implosion of their party based on anti Semitism

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Speaker 4: rising in their party. I don't want to see the

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Speaker 4: same thing happen on the right. What I've tried to

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Speaker 4: be very clear on is that the new right is

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Speaker 4: now quoting an old wrong unquote. Senator Rick Scott of

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Speaker 4: Florida basically said the same thing. Quote the Democrat Party,

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Speaker 4: we already have a party that's for anti Semitism and

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Speaker 4: is against Israel. The Republican Party is going to stand

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Speaker 4: for Israel and we're going to stand against anti Semitism.

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's any question, unquote, as if the

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Speaker 4: Democrat Party is against Israel. And it's astonishing to watch

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Speaker 4: all of these senators cope with the results of years

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Speaker 4: of watering down akas and anti Semitism to simply reflect

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Speaker 4: any criticism of Israel as they're now facing of massive

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Speaker 4: resurgence of genuine anti semitism from known anti Semitic actors

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Speaker 4: on the right. Turns out it's way easier to police

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Speaker 4: campus anti genocide protests than deal with the anti semitism

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Speaker 4: spread on the massive platforms of Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson.

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Speaker 4: But not all senators are worried. Lindsey Graham, while speaking

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Speaker 4: at the Republican Jewish Coalition, was less worried about Tucker

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Speaker 4: Fuentes and the future of the party.

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Speaker 7: So I just want to say I feel good about

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Speaker 7: the Republican Party. I feel good about where we're going

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Speaker 7: as a nation. We're killing all the right people, and

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Speaker 7: we're cutting your taxes. Trump is my favorite president. We've

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Speaker 7: run out of bombs. We didn't run out of bombs

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Speaker 7: in World War Two.

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Speaker 3: So to those who worry about.

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Speaker 7: These stupid interviews and far off places, don't worry. The

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Speaker 7: Republican Party has figured it out.

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Speaker 5: When it comes to Israel.

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Speaker 4: We're killing all the right people here at the Leopards

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Speaker 4: eating people's faces party. Surely the leopards will never eat

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Speaker 4: my or my friend's faces. On the night of November three,

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Speaker 4: Heritage president Kevin Roberts give a speech at Hillsdale College

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Speaker 4: on anti Semitism and cancel culture. He first talked for

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Speaker 4: two minutes about why he and Heritage will continue to

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Speaker 4: oppose cancelation and the importance of loyalty toward friends, and

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Speaker 4: defend it his previous statement by reiterating that if you

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Speaker 4: have a problem with someone's quote content, issues, or ideas,

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Speaker 4: then by all means go debate them unquote. But then

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Speaker 4: he admitted that his mistake, which was made quote unquote

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Speaker 4: with the best intentions, was focusing on the legitimate pro

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Speaker 4: problem of cancelation over other problems like anti Semitism. The

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Speaker 4: Roberts then immediately justified his rhetoric as an attempt to

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Speaker 4: reach out to the quote unquote several million young men

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Speaker 4: on the quote unquote far fringes of the right who

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Speaker 4: are increasingly anti Semitic, and.

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Speaker 13: Our motivation at Heritage for making that statement was to

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Speaker 13: begin appealing even more than we have to those largely

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Speaker 13: disaffected young men who are looking for belonging and identity

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Speaker 13: by following the wrong people.

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Speaker 4: This pseudo apology continues to frame this primarily as an

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Speaker 4: issue of cancelation. Who is asking to cancel Tucker? Roberts

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02:16:44,440 --> 02:16:47,680
Speaker 4: acts as if there is nothing in between a lifelong

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Speaker 4: endorsement and total cancelation. After Robert's comments at Hillsdale College,

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Speaker 4: another member of the Heritage Anti Semitism Task Force, Attorney

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02:16:57,440 --> 02:17:00,720
Speaker 4: Ian Spear, announced that he was leaving Hairge and Post

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Speaker 4: in a statement calling Robert's Hillsdale College speech a quote

2381
02:17:04,720 --> 02:17:08,960
Speaker 4: strategic non apology that doubles down on loyalty to Tucker. Carlson,

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02:17:09,320 --> 02:17:13,039
Speaker 4: muses about welcoming gropers and the groper curious into the movement,

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02:17:13,480 --> 02:17:17,760
Speaker 4: and continues to gaslight everyone about cancelation when that clearly

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Speaker 4: isn't the issue. That same day, Tuesday, November fourth, Chris Demuth,

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Speaker 4: a Heritage Distinguished Fellow, also confirmed his resignation, and an

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02:17:28,280 --> 02:17:32,039
Speaker 4: email leaped from the co chairs of the Heritage affiliated

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Speaker 4: National Task Force to Combat Antisemitism sent to task Force

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Speaker 4: members with a list of demands the Heritage President Kevin

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Speaker 4: Roberts demands including that he delete his initial video, apologize

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Speaker 4: to Jews and Christians who quote believe that Israel has

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Speaker 4: a special role to play both biblically and politically unquote,

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Speaker 4: a demand to condemn but not cancel Tucker Carlson's anti

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Speaker 4: Semitic content and statements, and host Shabbat dinners for the

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Speaker 4: Heritage interns and junior staff. To quote directly from this

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Speaker 4: leaked email addressing Roberts quote, you pointed out repeatedly that

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Speaker 4: we face a challenge in reaching disenfranchised young men who

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Speaker 4: are caught in the spells of Nick Fuentes and others.

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Speaker 4: To address this issue, specifically, we recommend hiring a visiting fellow,

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Speaker 4: one who shares mainstream conservative views on Israel, Jews, and

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Speaker 4: Christian Zionists, who would help identify strategies and tools to

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02:18:30,440 --> 02:18:34,400
Speaker 4: win gen Z and beyond. It is clear that there

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02:18:34,480 --> 02:18:38,039
Speaker 4: is an internal battle within the conservative movement over who

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Speaker 4: is to be included. The division between no Enemy to

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02:18:41,760 --> 02:18:46,800
Speaker 4: the right versus a moral conservatism demands our attention a

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02:18:46,959 --> 02:18:50,240
Speaker 4: conference that provides some guidelines to the movement on how

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Speaker 4: to best keep unity without needing to include the worst

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Speaker 4: among us unquote. Two days later, the National Task Force

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Speaker 4: decided to break ties with the Heritage Foundation, writing in

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Speaker 4: an email that it was quote important for us to

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Speaker 4: continue the work of the Task Force outside the Heritage

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Speaker 4: Foundation for a season, writing at this whole incident quote

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Speaker 4: exposed a serious problem within the conservative movement.

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Speaker 3: It's been like this for a long time.

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Speaker 4: They've just been so focused on campus activists protesting the

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Speaker 4: Palestinian genocide that they've missed the festering anti semitism spreading

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Speaker 4: across the right.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 4: The National task Force to Combat Anti Semitism will also

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Speaker 4: now expand our work to fight the rising scourge of

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Speaker 4: anti Semitism on the right, beyond our previous work combating

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Speaker 4: the pro Hamas movement on the left.

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Speaker 2: Quote.

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Speaker 4: On November eighteenth, the Task Force will be hosting a

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Speaker 4: conference in Washington on quote exposing and countering extremism and

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02:19:56,040 --> 02:19:59,840
Speaker 4: antisemitism on the right, in partnership with the Conference of

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Speaker 4: Christian Presidents for Israel. It could happen here will return

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Speaker 4: after these messages. At this point, Heritage went into complete

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Speaker 4: damage control. Roberts apologized during a Heritage all hands meeting

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Speaker 4: last Wednesday, November fifth, quote I made a mistake, and

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02:20:30,240 --> 02:20:33,560
Speaker 4: I let you down, and I let down this institution, period,

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Speaker 4: full stop.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 4: Roberts claimed that it was the since resigned chief of staff,

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Speaker 4: Ryan Nuhouse, who wrote the script for Robert's initial video

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Speaker 4: entirely himself and lied about the script being approved by

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Speaker 4: a handful of colleagues. Roberts called the use of the

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Speaker 4: phrase a venomous coalition a quote unquote terrible choice of words.

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Speaker 4: The Washington Free Beacon reported that Roberts said he was

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Speaker 4: willing to resign, but felt a quote unquote moral obligation

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Speaker 4: to repair the situation, and had told the Heritage Foundation

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02:21:07,320 --> 02:21:10,240
Speaker 4: Board of directors quote I made the mess let me

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Speaker 4: clean it up. During the all hands meeting, Roberts explained

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Speaker 4: that the video came to be because Heritage was under

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Speaker 4: pressure to make a statement that Carlson was quote no

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02:21:21,879 --> 02:21:26,160
Speaker 4: longer part of the conservative movement. Later in this meeting,

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Speaker 4: Roberts acknowledged that there could be a quote limiting principle

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02:21:30,760 --> 02:21:36,600
Speaker 4: to no cancelation. Longtime Heritage Research fellow Robert Rector went

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02:21:36,760 --> 02:21:40,800
Speaker 4: on a tie rade against Tucker and Fuentes, likening Tucker's

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02:21:40,879 --> 02:21:44,760
Speaker 4: show to stepping into a lunatic asylum, and advocated for

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Speaker 4: a return of right wing cancelation.

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Speaker 16: Because if you don't have boundaries on who you regard

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02:21:51,120 --> 02:21:54,720
Speaker 16: inside the movement, the movement will destroy itself and it

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02:21:54,760 --> 02:21:58,120
Speaker 16: will create a pr nightmare for everybody in it. And

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Speaker 16: the boundaries that he set forth William Buckley in the

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02:22:01,640 --> 02:22:06,040
Speaker 16: early nineteen sixties were twofold. You have to expunge all

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02:22:06,280 --> 02:22:07,840
Speaker 16: anti Semitism.

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Speaker 3: All of it.

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Speaker 16: But that's just part of it from the conservative movement.

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02:22:11,959 --> 02:22:16,279
Speaker 16: The other is you have to expel the lunatics, Okay,

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02:22:16,720 --> 02:22:20,760
Speaker 16: the lunatics who think that Eisenhower was a communist, Okay,

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Speaker 16: and a whole bunch of and we have them back now.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 16: They are both here back just the way they were

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Speaker 16: in nineteen fifty nine. And we have to go back

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02:22:32,160 --> 02:22:36,000
Speaker 16: and set the general parameters. You say, oh, we don't cancel,

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Speaker 16: we do cancel. Did we cancel David Duke? Yes, you

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Speaker 16: don't even know who David Duke was. Probably most of you.

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Speaker 16: God's say, you know yes, do we cancel the John

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Speaker 16: Bird Society, Yes, okay, because they were harmful. Because if

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Speaker 16: you're they're in your movement, you look like clowns.

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Speaker 4: This highlights so much of my frustration around this whole

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Speaker 4: controversy with all of the Conservatives at the Leopards Eating

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02:23:01,720 --> 02:23:05,360
Speaker 4: People's Faces Party trying to say that obviously the leopards

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Speaker 4: who are eating people's faces aren't actually Conservatives.

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Speaker 3: Despite the being part of the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party,

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02:23:12,200 --> 02:23:16,600
Speaker 3: Bircherism has achieved a near total capture of the modern

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Speaker 3: day Republican Party, especially under Trump. You can't remove the

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02:23:20,959 --> 02:23:24,160
Speaker 3: John Birch Society element from the modern day Republican Party

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02:23:24,200 --> 02:23:26,959
Speaker 3: without the whole party collapsing. They won.

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Speaker 4: That's what the party is now. That's what Heritage's project

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02:23:32,000 --> 02:23:37,439
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five is. Kevin Roberts responded to Rector's tirade

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02:23:38,000 --> 02:23:41,560
Speaker 4: by continuing to advocate that Heritage should attempt to bring

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Speaker 4: some of Fuentes's audience into the conservative fold.

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Speaker 13: But there's a segment of that audience who might be

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Speaker 13: with us, and they really are not Nazis and anti Semites,

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Speaker 13: then maybe we can eventually bring them into the fold.

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Speaker 5: I think we have to think that way.

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02:23:57,400 --> 02:24:00,000
Speaker 4: None of these people can be allowed to distance themselves

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Speaker 4: from the leopards eating people's faces party, to quote a

2490
02:24:04,000 --> 02:24:07,879
Speaker 4: write up from the right wing rag National Review, quote,

2491
02:24:08,320 --> 02:24:12,039
Speaker 4: the Heritage staff meeting exposed something of a generational divide

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02:24:12,120 --> 02:24:15,400
Speaker 4: within Heritage, as one staffer, who claimed to represent the

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02:24:15,440 --> 02:24:19,120
Speaker 4: perspective of the foundation's younger employees, said that she did

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02:24:19,160 --> 02:24:21,600
Speaker 4: not have a problem with roberts initial defense of Carlson

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02:24:21,840 --> 02:24:24,600
Speaker 4: and wanted to make sure that the viewpoints of her generation,

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Speaker 4: who she said were generally more critical of Israel, would

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Speaker 4: still be welcome at Heritage. Unquote, The Heritage Tucker Fuentes

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02:24:33,520 --> 02:24:35,880
Speaker 4: debacle has come in a time where the right was

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02:24:36,120 --> 02:24:38,600
Speaker 4: already in the middle of debate over how to handle

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Speaker 4: infighting conservative anti cancel culture and the newly adopted principle

2501
02:24:43,560 --> 02:24:46,879
Speaker 4: of no enemies to the right after years of suffering

2502
02:24:47,000 --> 02:24:50,400
Speaker 4: from liberal led deplatforming campaigns.

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02:24:50,080 --> 02:24:51,840
Speaker 3: During the quote unquote woke era.

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02:24:52,800 --> 02:24:55,280
Speaker 4: This debate really came to a head last month after

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02:24:55,440 --> 02:25:01,039
Speaker 4: the Young Republican pro Hitler racist group chat scandal, which

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Speaker 4: was subsequently brushed off by people like Matt Walsh and

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02:25:05,040 --> 02:25:09,400
Speaker 4: Vice president jd Vance, who dismissed the texts, telling people

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Speaker 4: who are concerned about it to quote unquote grow up,

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02:25:12,760 --> 02:25:15,880
Speaker 4: while referring to the chat as a college group chat,

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02:25:16,320 --> 02:25:20,160
Speaker 4: calling the members kids and young boys, when the group

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02:25:20,240 --> 02:25:23,280
Speaker 4: chat in question was made up of men in their thirties.

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Speaker 17: Don't put things on the internet, like, be careful with

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02:25:26,280 --> 02:25:28,840
Speaker 17: what you post. If you put something in a group chat,

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02:25:29,000 --> 02:25:31,120
Speaker 17: assume that some scumbag is going to leak it in

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02:25:31,160 --> 02:25:33,000
Speaker 17: an effort to try to cause you harm or cause

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02:25:33,040 --> 02:25:36,320
Speaker 17: your family harm. But the reality is that kids do

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02:25:36,520 --> 02:25:41,400
Speaker 17: stupid things, especially young boys. They tell edgy, offensive jokes

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02:25:41,480 --> 02:25:44,320
Speaker 17: like that's what kids do. And I really don't want

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02:25:44,400 --> 02:25:46,360
Speaker 17: us to grow up in a country where a kid

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02:25:46,520 --> 02:25:50,199
Speaker 17: telling a stupid joke, telling a very offensive, stupid joke

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02:25:50,680 --> 02:25:52,920
Speaker 17: is caused to ruin their lives. And at some point

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02:25:53,040 --> 02:25:56,080
Speaker 17: we're all going to have to say enough of this, bs.

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02:25:56,520 --> 02:25:59,720
Speaker 17: We're not going to allow the worst moment and a

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02:25:59,760 --> 02:26:02,760
Speaker 17: twenty one year old's group chat to ruin a kid's

2525
02:26:02,800 --> 02:26:03,920
Speaker 17: life for the rest of time.

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Speaker 2: That's just not okay.

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Speaker 17: Like, we live in a digital world. This stuff is

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02:26:07,760 --> 02:26:10,840
Speaker 17: now etstin stone online. We're all gonna have to say,

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02:26:10,879 --> 02:26:12,840
Speaker 17: you know what, no no, no, we're not doing this.

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02:26:12,959 --> 02:26:15,920
Speaker 17: We're not canceling kids because they do something.

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02:26:15,760 --> 02:26:16,800
Speaker 2: Stupid in a group chat.

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02:26:17,160 --> 02:26:18,879
Speaker 5: And if I have to be the person.

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02:26:18,720 --> 02:26:20,760
Speaker 17: Who carries that message forward, I'm fine with it.

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Speaker 3: To quote Matt.

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Speaker 4: Walsh quote, I said a few weeks ago that we

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Speaker 4: all need to band together in the wake of Charlie's death,

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02:26:27,600 --> 02:26:29,400
Speaker 4: and the answer I got back from a lot of

2538
02:26:29,440 --> 02:26:33,000
Speaker 4: people on the right was basically, no, well, okay, then guys,

2539
02:26:33,080 --> 02:26:35,720
Speaker 4: we'll just lose. Instead, the left will keep the unite

2540
02:26:35,760 --> 02:26:38,920
Speaker 4: in front and defend their guys no matter what. Well,

2541
02:26:39,000 --> 02:26:42,119
Speaker 4: we keep throwing each other to the wolves at every opportunity.

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02:26:42,480 --> 02:26:43,039
Speaker 3: Great plan.

2543
02:26:43,760 --> 02:26:47,800
Speaker 4: The left actually wants me dead, like specifically and personally.

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02:26:48,280 --> 02:26:50,600
Speaker 4: They're the reason why I need security at my house,

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02:26:50,760 --> 02:26:53,440
Speaker 4: why I worry for my children's safety. We've had to

2546
02:26:53,520 --> 02:26:56,280
Speaker 4: make major changes to the way we live our daily

2547
02:26:56,360 --> 02:26:58,960
Speaker 4: lives to account for this danger. So when I say

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02:26:59,000 --> 02:27:01,800
Speaker 4: that I want to stop the fighting and unite against

2549
02:27:01,879 --> 02:27:06,119
Speaker 4: this threat, that's the context. I'm sorry if the squabbles

2550
02:27:06,120 --> 02:27:09,640
Speaker 4: among right wingers just kind of pale in comparison for me.

2551
02:27:10,280 --> 02:27:12,200
Speaker 4: If you have the luxury to care more about that,

2552
02:27:12,760 --> 02:27:13,400
Speaker 4: I envy you.

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02:27:13,720 --> 02:27:14,440
Speaker 3: I truly do.

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02:27:15,720 --> 02:27:19,760
Speaker 4: Last week, Magan Kelly interviewed Tucker and Shapiro across a

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02:27:19,920 --> 02:27:23,320
Speaker 4: two day event where she asked both about the possibility

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02:27:23,480 --> 02:27:25,200
Speaker 4: of uniting the Right.

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Speaker 2: Is there any way that you and Ben Shapiro can

2558
02:27:29,240 --> 02:27:32,480
Speaker 2: actually find your way to deton.

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02:27:33,000 --> 02:27:34,320
Speaker 3: I'm not against Ben Shapiro.

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Speaker 12: He did like a forty minute thing yesterday calling me

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Speaker 12: dangerous and all this stuff. It's like, I didn't watch

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Speaker 12: it because why, but I got a lot of texts

2563
02:27:42,200 --> 02:27:45,119
Speaker 12: about it, and it's like, I'm not I don't think

2564
02:27:45,200 --> 02:27:47,320
Speaker 12: Ben Shapiro is driving a lot of this stuff. I

2565
02:27:47,400 --> 02:27:51,560
Speaker 12: don't consider him like the world's greatest force for evil.

2566
02:27:51,600 --> 02:27:53,320
Speaker 12: I don't feel that way at all. I don't actually

2567
02:27:53,320 --> 02:27:55,320
Speaker 12: think about him ever. So I don't want to have

2568
02:27:55,400 --> 02:27:57,640
Speaker 12: a war with Ben and Shapiro. I don't know if

2569
02:27:57,720 --> 02:28:00,720
Speaker 12: does he really think that me doing interview in which

2570
02:28:00,760 --> 02:28:03,280
Speaker 12: I explained that anti Semitism is wrong to one of

2571
02:28:03,320 --> 02:28:05,680
Speaker 12: the lead purveyors of anti Semitism, but that somehow makes

2572
02:28:05,720 --> 02:28:06,279
Speaker 12: me a Nazi?

2573
02:28:06,440 --> 02:28:07,840
Speaker 3: Like what is the argument here?

2574
02:28:07,879 --> 02:28:08,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask him tomorrow night.

2575
02:28:09,240 --> 02:28:11,360
Speaker 3: But I don't even understand what the argument is.

2576
02:28:11,480 --> 02:28:13,480
Speaker 12: All I know is that the Right and I've been

2577
02:28:13,520 --> 02:28:16,680
Speaker 12: on the right since before Ben was born, is acting

2578
02:28:16,840 --> 02:28:20,720
Speaker 12: like the left in such an amazingly precise way that

2579
02:28:20,800 --> 02:28:22,520
Speaker 12: I'm like, what the hell is going on?

2580
02:28:24,240 --> 02:28:26,160
Speaker 18: I agree with Tucker that the right is in fact

2581
02:28:26,280 --> 02:28:30,240
Speaker 18: acting life the left by again massaging its radicals in

2582
02:28:30,360 --> 02:28:35,680
Speaker 18: the name of some sort of faux unity sound because

2583
02:28:36,800 --> 02:28:39,440
Speaker 18: again I'm not again trying to turn this personal is

2584
02:28:39,480 --> 02:28:41,439
Speaker 18: a mistake, I know, but can it happened.

2585
02:28:41,640 --> 02:28:45,480
Speaker 4: During the fallout of the Tucker Fwenttes interview, far right

2586
02:28:45,560 --> 02:28:48,720
Speaker 4: influencer Mike Cernovich said quote, there's a lot of bad

2587
02:28:48,800 --> 02:28:51,400
Speaker 4: faith going on. So this is for those few of

2588
02:28:51,480 --> 02:28:54,760
Speaker 4: you perplexed about the reluctance of mega people to ever

2589
02:28:55,080 --> 02:28:59,480
Speaker 4: disavow anyone. We are old and we know it never stops,

2590
02:29:00,040 --> 02:29:03,760
Speaker 4: will always demand more. Hence we draw a hard line.

2591
02:29:04,240 --> 02:29:09,720
Speaker 4: It's not our job to be Internet cops. After trailblazing

2592
02:29:09,760 --> 02:29:13,080
Speaker 4: this rhetoric for the new Right, now Walsh and Vance

2593
02:29:13,360 --> 02:29:16,120
Speaker 4: find themselves in an uncomfortable position.

2594
02:29:16,920 --> 02:29:17,800
Speaker 3: Walsh due to.

2595
02:29:17,800 --> 02:29:21,160
Speaker 4: His employer Ben Shapiro, and Vance because of his future

2596
02:29:21,280 --> 02:29:25,560
Speaker 4: political prospects. In the midst of the Fuenes controversy, Walsh

2597
02:29:25,640 --> 02:29:29,040
Speaker 4: posted quote, we have a very short window of time

2598
02:29:29,160 --> 02:29:32,680
Speaker 4: where we control Congress and the White House, and we

2599
02:29:32,840 --> 02:29:36,039
Speaker 4: have the power to push our agenda forward. We're going

2600
02:29:36,120 --> 02:29:39,400
Speaker 4: to waste this window fighting with each other. We're going

2601
02:29:39,480 --> 02:29:44,440
Speaker 4: to squander everything. I'm furious, Honestly, I.

2602
02:29:44,520 --> 02:29:48,320
Speaker 6: Have just about had it with Matt Walsh. Matt, you

2603
02:29:48,520 --> 02:29:51,520
Speaker 6: work for this fucking guy. Whose side are you on?

2604
02:29:51,720 --> 02:29:55,240
Speaker 6: Already cut the shit, Matt Walsh. Every day on a show,

2605
02:29:55,360 --> 02:29:57,600
Speaker 6: he goes on Twitter in his show and says, this

2606
02:29:57,800 --> 02:30:01,240
Speaker 6: is all just gossip and drama, a gossip and drama.

2607
02:30:01,720 --> 02:30:02,600
Speaker 3: This is the war.

2608
02:30:03,080 --> 02:30:05,080
Speaker 6: Might not be the one you wanted, but this is

2609
02:30:05,120 --> 02:30:08,760
Speaker 6: the one that's going on. So Walsh wants to refuse

2610
02:30:08,840 --> 02:30:11,640
Speaker 6: himself from this and say, hey, man, I just care

2611
02:30:11,680 --> 02:30:15,560
Speaker 6: about America. Hey fucker, it's happening in America right now.

2612
02:30:16,440 --> 02:30:19,800
Speaker 6: Tucker's an American. Last I checked, this is going on here.

2613
02:30:20,200 --> 02:30:22,640
Speaker 6: We didn't make anti Semitism the wedge issue.

2614
02:30:22,959 --> 02:30:23,400
Speaker 3: They did.

2615
02:30:24,000 --> 02:30:27,360
Speaker 6: We didn't make fighting Israel's wars the wedge issue.

2616
02:30:27,680 --> 02:30:28,160
Speaker 3: They did.

2617
02:30:28,600 --> 02:30:30,800
Speaker 6: And Walsh wants to get on Twitter and say, I

2618
02:30:31,000 --> 02:30:32,960
Speaker 6: just don't want to talk about it. I just want

2619
02:30:33,000 --> 02:30:35,720
Speaker 6: to keep taking a paycheck from the worst of the worst. Shapiro,

2620
02:30:36,800 --> 02:30:39,440
Speaker 6: you gotta pick a side and nobody can let him

2621
02:30:39,480 --> 02:30:42,920
Speaker 6: get away with this. As long as you're America First,

2622
02:30:43,200 --> 02:30:46,320
Speaker 6: you need to be in his reply, saying no, Matt,

2623
02:30:47,520 --> 02:30:48,920
Speaker 6: you work for Ben Shapiro.

2624
02:30:49,360 --> 02:30:55,000
Speaker 4: Cock Vance's only statement about this debacle reads quote, the

2625
02:30:55,200 --> 02:30:59,600
Speaker 4: infighting is stupid. I care about my fellow citizens, particularly

2626
02:30:59,720 --> 02:31:03,480
Speaker 4: young Americans, being able to afford a decent life. I

2627
02:31:03,600 --> 02:31:07,000
Speaker 4: care about immigration and our sovereignty, and I care about

2628
02:31:07,080 --> 02:31:11,360
Speaker 4: establishing peace overseas so our resources can be focused at home.

2629
02:31:12,040 --> 02:31:15,160
Speaker 4: If you care about these things too, let's work together.

2630
02:31:16,959 --> 02:31:20,360
Speaker 4: Compare that to Mike Pence sharing an article critical of

2631
02:31:20,480 --> 02:31:23,800
Speaker 4: Fuentes by the Wall Street Journal editorial Board titled the

2632
02:31:23,959 --> 02:31:29,000
Speaker 4: Rights New Anti Semites. Meanwhile, Nick Fuentes is bragging that

2633
02:31:29,200 --> 02:31:34,280
Speaker 4: he has Vance caught in his groper squeeze, threatening to

2634
02:31:34,360 --> 02:31:37,920
Speaker 4: send gropers to twenty twenty eight primary states to disrupt

2635
02:31:38,120 --> 02:31:42,360
Speaker 4: Vince's campaign, much like the groper War of twenty nineteen

2636
02:31:42,720 --> 02:31:44,320
Speaker 4: targeting TPUSA.

2637
02:31:44,840 --> 02:31:49,240
Speaker 6: He's getting squeezed because the gropers are on the one

2638
02:31:49,360 --> 02:31:53,280
Speaker 6: hand saying, hey, listen, fat boy, we want America first.

2639
02:31:53,600 --> 02:31:55,680
Speaker 6: You want to run for president. We want to hear

2640
02:31:55,760 --> 02:32:00,320
Speaker 6: you say America first. And on the other side, he's

2641
02:32:00,360 --> 02:32:05,199
Speaker 6: got his donors, and they're saying they're horrible anti Semites.

2642
02:32:05,280 --> 02:32:08,959
Speaker 6: You have to disavow them. You have to forcefully condemn them.

2643
02:32:09,560 --> 02:32:15,800
Speaker 6: Condemned talker, Condemn the gropers. Now advance, condemns the groupers.

2644
02:32:17,080 --> 02:32:22,640
Speaker 6: We are deploying to Iowa. Raise your right hand. I

2645
02:32:22,959 --> 02:32:27,720
Speaker 6: swear I'm gonna move to Iowa and New Hampshire and

2646
02:32:27,959 --> 02:32:32,119
Speaker 6: Nevada and South Carolina and one primary after the next,

2647
02:32:32,400 --> 02:32:34,880
Speaker 6: and we will go to every town hall. We will

2648
02:32:34,920 --> 02:32:37,040
Speaker 6: go to every meet and greet where there's four or

2649
02:32:37,120 --> 02:32:41,400
Speaker 6: five people, and we will be there, and we'll do

2650
02:32:41,520 --> 02:32:42,039
Speaker 6: it for free.

2651
02:32:43,400 --> 02:32:46,039
Speaker 4: Nick has since laid out a more clear three year

2652
02:32:46,120 --> 02:32:50,080
Speaker 4: strategy for his fans to shape the upcoming presidential primary

2653
02:32:50,800 --> 02:32:55,120
Speaker 4: and infiltrate the next Republican White House. In some ways,

2654
02:32:55,200 --> 02:32:58,200
Speaker 4: I think Ted Cruz is right. This has been a

2655
02:32:58,440 --> 02:33:01,720
Speaker 4: time of choosing the only problem is that the choice

2656
02:33:01,879 --> 02:33:06,320
Speaker 4: has already been made. The Fuentes interview is already Tucker

2657
02:33:06,360 --> 02:33:12,400
Speaker 4: Carlson's fourth most popular video ever. Just two weeks after

2658
02:33:12,480 --> 02:33:17,959
Speaker 4: its release. Fuentes's quote tweet of Shapiro's takedown video ratioed

2659
02:33:18,120 --> 02:33:24,560
Speaker 4: Shapiro by one hundred and twenty thousand likes. Fuentes's last

2660
02:33:24,879 --> 02:33:28,760
Speaker 4: ten live streams have had an average viewership of over

2661
02:33:29,160 --> 02:33:35,640
Speaker 4: eight hundred thousand people on Rumble, beating Shapiro's average YouTube

2662
02:33:35,680 --> 02:33:39,879
Speaker 4: of you count by hundreds of thousands. The New York

2663
02:33:39,879 --> 02:33:43,320
Speaker 4: Times has put out seven pieces on Fuentes, both articles

2664
02:33:43,360 --> 02:33:47,520
Speaker 4: and opinion since the Tucker interview, plus other related news

2665
02:33:47,560 --> 02:33:52,360
Speaker 4: stories about Heritage and Tucker, which obviously mentioned Fuentes. Other

2666
02:33:52,440 --> 02:33:54,840
Speaker 4: outlets from The Wall Street Journal to The Washington Post

2667
02:33:55,120 --> 02:33:58,960
Speaker 4: have followed suit. CNN did a five minute and thirty

2668
02:33:59,000 --> 02:34:02,199
Speaker 4: second segment on the followed of the Heritage Tucker Fwent

2669
02:34:02,360 --> 02:34:05,120
Speaker 4: has situation and what it means for the future of

2670
02:34:05,200 --> 02:34:08,600
Speaker 4: the Republican Party, and has since done more segments on

2671
02:34:08,680 --> 02:34:13,320
Speaker 4: the issue, including one with Ben Shapiro. Multiple Twentes segments

2672
02:34:13,440 --> 02:34:15,320
Speaker 4: have also aired on MSNBC.

2673
02:34:16,120 --> 02:34:19,240
Speaker 19: Here's a sampling for once Donald Trump has remained silent

2674
02:34:19,400 --> 02:34:21,440
Speaker 19: on an issue, as well as Jade Vance, who is

2675
02:34:21,480 --> 02:34:25,080
Speaker 19: reportedly personally close to Carlson. It also has opened up

2676
02:34:25,080 --> 02:34:28,600
Speaker 19: an uncomfortable discussion for the GOP about what place people

2677
02:34:28,800 --> 02:34:31,160
Speaker 19: like Nick Fwent does have within the MAGA movement.

2678
02:34:31,520 --> 02:34:33,960
Speaker 20: And now to the brewing war within MAGA over the

2679
02:34:34,040 --> 02:34:37,200
Speaker 20: future of the American conservative movement. It comes as far

2680
02:34:37,320 --> 02:34:40,960
Speaker 20: right influencer Nick Fuentes recently recorded a cordial interview at

2681
02:34:40,959 --> 02:34:43,760
Speaker 20: the invitation of Tucker Carlson. That more than five million

2682
02:34:43,959 --> 02:34:46,600
Speaker 20: people have viewed the latest op ed in The Los

2683
02:34:46,640 --> 02:34:50,080
Speaker 20: Angeles Times by our next guest is highlighting this growing division.

2684
02:34:50,360 --> 02:34:53,520
Speaker 20: Contributing writer Matt Lewis contends that some Trump loyalists are

2685
02:34:53,560 --> 02:34:58,000
Speaker 20: now objecting to maga's quote white power element. Matt joins us,

2686
02:34:58,040 --> 02:35:00,920
Speaker 20: Now he's an author, columnist and conservative writer. Matt, the

2687
02:35:00,959 --> 02:35:03,160
Speaker 20: fact that we're even talking about a quote unquote white

2688
02:35:03,280 --> 02:35:06,560
Speaker 20: power element is I think concerning on its face, But

2689
02:35:06,680 --> 02:35:09,640
Speaker 20: this is also something that's persisted within MAGA over the

2690
02:35:09,720 --> 02:35:12,240
Speaker 20: course of the last ten years. I mean, I remember

2691
02:35:12,320 --> 02:35:15,240
Speaker 20: covering when Trump himself had dinner with Nick Fuentes at

2692
02:35:15,280 --> 02:35:17,920
Speaker 20: the invitation of Kanye West just a few years ago,

2693
02:35:18,040 --> 02:35:20,040
Speaker 20: November twenty twenty two at mar A Lago.

2694
02:35:20,560 --> 02:35:22,360
Speaker 3: Why was this not a conversation then?

2695
02:35:22,440 --> 02:35:26,600
Speaker 5: And what's changed now? Look, yeah, I think you're totally right.

2696
02:35:26,680 --> 02:35:28,240
Speaker 21: I mean, part of it is that Donald Trump has

2697
02:35:28,240 --> 02:35:30,119
Speaker 21: actually been a really good friend to Israel.

2698
02:35:30,760 --> 02:35:33,920
Speaker 4: I never thought the leopards would eat my face, sobs

2699
02:35:34,120 --> 02:35:38,160
Speaker 4: Conservative columnist who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.

2700
02:35:38,959 --> 02:35:42,880
Speaker 4: Even calling Fuentes a quote unquote white power figure shows

2701
02:35:42,959 --> 02:35:45,880
Speaker 4: how outdated and out of touch the talking heads and

2702
02:35:45,959 --> 02:35:50,120
Speaker 4: many journalists are. It's not the eighties anymore, white power?

2703
02:35:50,240 --> 02:35:54,440
Speaker 4: What are you talking about? That's not what Fuentes is doing.

2704
02:35:54,520 --> 02:35:57,360
Speaker 4: If you can't recognize that, you shouldn't be talking about it.

2705
02:35:58,160 --> 02:36:01,760
Speaker 4: These talking heads are completely ill equipped to understand gen

2706
02:36:01,840 --> 02:36:05,200
Speaker 4: Z politics, or the lack thereof. We saw this in

2707
02:36:05,320 --> 02:36:08,560
Speaker 4: the reporting on Tyler Robinson in the past few mass

2708
02:36:08,800 --> 02:36:12,760
Speaker 4: killing fandom school shooters. Here's MSNBC again.

2709
02:36:12,959 --> 02:36:16,119
Speaker 21: According to some sources at the Heritage Foundation, a lot

2710
02:36:16,200 --> 02:36:19,160
Speaker 21: of their interns something like forty to fifty percent or

2711
02:36:19,200 --> 02:36:24,440
Speaker 21: something agree with FOI this, which is really stunning if

2712
02:36:24,520 --> 02:36:26,360
Speaker 21: you were around the conservative movement, let's say, in the

2713
02:36:26,400 --> 02:36:26,880
Speaker 21: George W.

2714
02:36:27,040 --> 02:36:33,680
Speaker 4: Bush era, the fucking George W. Bush era, unbelievable. Nick

2715
02:36:33,760 --> 02:36:39,039
Speaker 4: Fuenttes's politically vulgar obscenity is exactly what pushes his clips

2716
02:36:39,200 --> 02:36:43,680
Speaker 4: into people's social media feeds, cutting through the dry neo

2717
02:36:43,800 --> 02:36:49,680
Speaker 4: conservative boomer slop of older Republican content creators as Trump

2718
02:36:49,800 --> 02:36:54,280
Speaker 4: two point zero continues and Maga becomes the establishment again.

2719
02:36:54,840 --> 02:36:58,080
Speaker 4: It's not going to be cool to listen to Benny Johnson,

2720
02:36:58,240 --> 02:37:01,879
Speaker 4: whoever's hosting the New Charlie Kirk Show, or Ben Shapiro,

2721
02:37:02,320 --> 02:37:04,440
Speaker 4: to the extent to which listening to any of those

2722
02:37:04,720 --> 02:37:09,560
Speaker 4: is even still cool or counter cultural. Fuentes doesn't have

2723
02:37:09,800 --> 02:37:13,640
Speaker 4: this same problem. He can ride the cultural vibe shift

2724
02:37:14,080 --> 02:37:17,280
Speaker 4: of the twenty twenty four election and still appeal to

2725
02:37:17,360 --> 02:37:21,000
Speaker 4: the reactionary tendencies of some young men, but is outside

2726
02:37:21,120 --> 02:37:25,320
Speaker 4: enough to continue benefiting from the gen Z thirst for

2727
02:37:25,560 --> 02:37:29,840
Speaker 4: anti establishment populism. At the end of last month, there

2728
02:37:29,959 --> 02:37:33,280
Speaker 4: was a short article in The Atlantic titled the firewall

2729
02:37:33,440 --> 02:37:38,120
Speaker 4: against Nick Fuentes is crumbling. The white supremacist influencer is

2730
02:37:38,360 --> 02:37:42,040
Speaker 4: entering the MAGA mainstream, And yeah, that's correct. The tact

2731
02:37:42,080 --> 02:37:46,880
Speaker 4: agreement against talking about covering or platforming Nick has slowly

2732
02:37:47,040 --> 02:37:50,960
Speaker 4: fallen apart the past few months. Google trends graphs of

2733
02:37:51,000 --> 02:37:55,359
Speaker 4: search popularity has Nick Fuentes high above Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro,

2734
02:37:55,680 --> 02:38:00,560
Speaker 4: or Canvas Owens, and considering Nick's newfound fame, he isn't

2735
02:38:00,640 --> 02:38:03,920
Speaker 4: trying to slow down or moderate his views to appeal

2736
02:38:03,959 --> 02:38:06,960
Speaker 4: to a bigger audience, and he doesn't need to. The

2737
02:38:07,120 --> 02:38:11,119
Speaker 4: audience is coming to him to explain why his audience

2738
02:38:11,200 --> 02:38:14,240
Speaker 4: is growing so much. It's not that he's gotten less

2739
02:38:14,480 --> 02:38:19,320
Speaker 4: ideologically dogmatic as of recent It's that the Zoomer world

2740
02:38:19,600 --> 02:38:23,840
Speaker 4: has caught up to the anti ideology behind Nick Fuentes,

2741
02:38:24,320 --> 02:38:28,000
Speaker 4: the void of animosity that animates Fuentes, which is underneath

2742
02:38:28,120 --> 02:38:32,560
Speaker 4: his gesturing to relics of tradition and culture to offer

2743
02:38:32,720 --> 02:38:37,760
Speaker 4: a north star through the grievance inspired nihilism he actually embodies.

2744
02:38:38,360 --> 02:38:42,240
Speaker 4: Nick Fuentes is a meme, His clips spread like a meme.

2745
02:38:42,720 --> 02:38:46,880
Speaker 4: His groper movement is named after a meme, and Nick

2746
02:38:47,040 --> 02:38:50,480
Speaker 4: is ready willing and able to seize the spotlight he

2747
02:38:50,640 --> 02:38:55,080
Speaker 4: has been gifted to Nick. This controversy demonstrates that the

2748
02:38:55,240 --> 02:39:00,800
Speaker 4: prestigious Heritage Foundation is territory ripe for groper infiltration.

2749
02:39:01,600 --> 02:39:07,280
Speaker 6: What this signifies is that Heritage, the accreditation institution, the

2750
02:39:07,640 --> 02:39:14,280
Speaker 6: brain the priestly class that promulgates the Republican dogma. If

2751
02:39:14,400 --> 02:39:19,680
Speaker 6: that institution says that grouperism is up for debate, it's

2752
02:39:19,760 --> 02:39:23,920
Speaker 6: on the table. It's not canceled. We should talk about

2753
02:39:23,959 --> 02:39:28,000
Speaker 6: the ideas, and we should defend the people that defend

2754
02:39:28,080 --> 02:39:32,200
Speaker 6: the groupers or talked to the groupers. It signifies that

2755
02:39:32,360 --> 02:39:36,360
Speaker 6: one that place is a safe harbor. As I said before,

2756
02:39:37,280 --> 02:39:39,960
Speaker 6: So a grouper could go to work at Heritage and

2757
02:39:40,040 --> 02:39:43,440
Speaker 6: maybe feel welcome and comfortable, and he won't be fired.

2758
02:39:44,320 --> 02:39:46,520
Speaker 6: And you might have a grouper at Heritage who is

2759
02:39:46,560 --> 02:39:50,760
Speaker 6: going to be writing a policy paper about who knows

2760
02:39:51,400 --> 02:39:59,160
Speaker 6: foreign policy, education, immigration. They might be considered like an expert,

2761
02:39:59,440 --> 02:40:02,039
Speaker 6: and maybe they'll go on to be a legislative director

2762
02:40:02,160 --> 02:40:07,000
Speaker 6: for a senator, and they might be writing laws for

2763
02:40:07,120 --> 02:40:11,480
Speaker 6: the US government. It's conceivable if the President of Heritage

2764
02:40:11,520 --> 02:40:14,640
Speaker 6: says Tucker is in the Big ten, then that means

2765
02:40:14,680 --> 02:40:18,440
Speaker 6: that Tucker and Nick fwent to sympathizers are allowed to

2766
02:40:18,760 --> 02:40:23,400
Speaker 6: be employed at Heritage, and thus they might be in

2767
02:40:23,480 --> 02:40:27,560
Speaker 6: the position to determine the dogma. They can write the doctrine.

2768
02:40:28,320 --> 02:40:32,520
Speaker 4: Conservative writer Rob Dreer has claimed, based on DC contacts

2769
02:40:32,600 --> 02:40:37,040
Speaker 4: and talking with gen Z staffers, quote, between thirty to

2770
02:40:37,240 --> 02:40:41,119
Speaker 4: forty percent of the Zoomers who work in official Republican

2771
02:40:41,280 --> 02:40:46,320
Speaker 4: Washington are fans of Nick Fuentes unquote, writing that this

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Speaker 4: is emblematic of a generation quote willing to revel in

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Speaker 4: transgressions such as they tear down the pillars of civilization

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02:40:55,080 --> 02:40:57,000
Speaker 4: just for the fun of seeing those who have been

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02:40:57,200 --> 02:41:02,199
Speaker 4: gate kept away breaching containment. The groper thing is real.

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02:41:02,920 --> 02:41:05,640
Speaker 4: It is not a fringe movement in that it really

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02:41:05,840 --> 02:41:12,680
Speaker 4: has infiltrated young conservative Washington networks to a significant degree unquote.

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02:41:13,520 --> 02:41:18,200
Speaker 4: After the Young Republican racist group chat story dropped, Nick

2779
02:41:18,240 --> 02:41:22,840
Speaker 4: Fuentez said on his show, quote, gropers are all over

2780
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Speaker 4: the government, and everyone knows that there's gropers at Harvard,

2781
02:41:27,600 --> 02:41:31,640
Speaker 4: There's grapers in all the Ivy League schools. I talked

2782
02:41:31,879 --> 02:41:36,480
Speaker 4: to all of them. There's gropers in government. There's grapers

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02:41:36,680 --> 02:41:39,480
Speaker 4: in every department, every agency.

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Speaker 5: Unquote.

2785
02:41:41,440 --> 02:41:44,960
Speaker 4: There's no reason to believe Nick is exaggerating. This is

2786
02:41:45,040 --> 02:41:49,480
Speaker 4: something he has advocated his followers do for years, and

2787
02:41:49,680 --> 02:41:53,200
Speaker 4: stories like the Young Republican pro Hitler group chat are

2788
02:41:53,320 --> 02:41:58,880
Speaker 4: evidence of this. Nick Fuentez is mainstream now. Nick Fuentez

2789
02:41:59,200 --> 02:42:04,840
Speaker 4: is a legitimate part of the mainstream conservative movement. Even

2790
02:42:04,879 --> 02:42:08,200
Speaker 4: if he doesn't become the quote unquote successor to his

2791
02:42:08,480 --> 02:42:13,600
Speaker 4: longtime nemesis Charlie Kirk, Fuentes is already on course to

2792
02:42:13,720 --> 02:42:16,720
Speaker 4: be the main figure to have gained the most from

2793
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Speaker 4: Kirk's death and emerged advantageous. This has been it could

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Speaker 4: happen here.

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02:42:23,360 --> 02:42:24,400
Speaker 5: See you on the other side.

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Speaker 3: This is it could happen here.

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Speaker 4: Executive Disorder, our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the

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Speaker 4: White House, the crumbling world, and what it means for you.

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Speaker 4: I'm Garrison Davis to Dame, joined by Mia Wong, James Stout,

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Speaker 4: and Robert Evans. This episode, we are covering the week

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Speaker 4: of November fifth to November thirteenth.

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Speaker 2: That's how I feel about the week.

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02:43:06,400 --> 02:43:07,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how you feel.

2804
02:43:08,800 --> 02:43:09,039
Speaker 3: Well.

2805
02:43:09,440 --> 02:43:14,040
Speaker 4: The shutdown is now over, the longest shutdown in US history.

2806
02:43:15,040 --> 02:43:19,120
Speaker 4: Last weekend, eight Democratic senators caved on the shutdown, approving

2807
02:43:19,160 --> 02:43:22,359
Speaker 4: a deal to reopen the government without extending the existing

2808
02:43:22,440 --> 02:43:27,080
Speaker 4: Obamacare subsidies, gaining only a promise to have a Senate

2809
02:43:27,360 --> 02:43:32,920
Speaker 4: floor vote on healthcare tax credits sometime in December, with

2810
02:43:33,040 --> 02:43:35,480
Speaker 4: no indication given that this vote would pass the Chamber

2811
02:43:35,560 --> 02:43:38,119
Speaker 4: and no commitment from Speaker Mike Johnson that he would

2812
02:43:38,200 --> 02:43:42,199
Speaker 4: hold a vote in the House. None of the Democratic

2813
02:43:42,280 --> 02:43:45,279
Speaker 4: senators had sided with the Republicans are up for reelection

2814
02:43:45,560 --> 02:43:47,080
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty six.

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02:43:48,560 --> 02:43:50,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that suggests pretty clearly that this

2816
02:43:51,160 --> 02:43:54,000
Speaker 3: was orchestrated in stage by the Democratic Party as a whole.

2817
02:43:54,120 --> 02:43:57,360
Speaker 3: You don't have Oh, we picked eight specific people you

2818
02:43:57,480 --> 02:43:58,960
Speaker 3: can't vote against in the next cycle.

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02:43:59,200 --> 02:43:59,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2820
02:44:00,400 --> 02:44:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very clearly just stage managing.

2821
02:44:02,760 --> 02:44:07,120
Speaker 4: Specifically with the Schumer being somewhat in charge of the

2822
02:44:07,160 --> 02:44:10,280
Speaker 4: Senate that Democrats, who likely would have been the person

2823
02:44:10,520 --> 02:44:14,520
Speaker 4: orchestrating this, who himself did not vote for this deal,

2824
02:44:14,800 --> 02:44:18,240
Speaker 4: was able to personally vote against it despite likely being

2825
02:44:18,360 --> 02:44:22,320
Speaker 4: the one orchestrating this entire deal. Yeah, two of the

2826
02:44:22,400 --> 02:44:25,480
Speaker 4: senators who signed on are retiring at the end of

2827
02:44:25,560 --> 02:44:29,640
Speaker 4: their term. But even if we can't get healthcare through

2828
02:44:29,720 --> 02:44:33,520
Speaker 4: this shutdown bill, you know what these Democrats did did

2829
02:44:33,680 --> 02:44:36,280
Speaker 4: able to squeeze in there. Well, I don't know if

2830
02:44:36,320 --> 02:44:38,800
Speaker 4: the Democrats squeezed it in there, but it is in there.

2831
02:44:39,440 --> 02:44:43,200
Speaker 4: That's a Delta eight hemp THHC band which is inclusive,

2832
02:44:43,280 --> 02:44:47,000
Speaker 4: horrible in the Senate funding bill, absolutely awfully.

2833
02:44:47,280 --> 02:44:50,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course they did a boy hattie and the

2834
02:44:50,400 --> 02:44:54,480
Speaker 2: hamp industry has gotten angry about this. They're they're planning

2835
02:44:54,520 --> 02:44:56,840
Speaker 2: to find it in twenty twenty six. I guess we'll

2836
02:44:56,879 --> 02:44:59,240
Speaker 2: all see, because it takes a while to take effect.

2837
02:44:59,320 --> 02:45:02,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, that is Uh, there's a lot of hemp

2838
02:45:02,720 --> 02:45:05,160
Speaker 2: farms in Kentucky that are pissed off right now.

2839
02:45:05,680 --> 02:45:05,880
Speaker 3: Yep.

2840
02:45:06,800 --> 02:45:09,160
Speaker 4: So we can't get healthcare, but at least we also

2841
02:45:09,320 --> 02:45:11,520
Speaker 4: can't get health THHC.

2842
02:45:11,920 --> 02:45:16,680
Speaker 3: So what if there wasn't bread or circuses? What would happen?

2843
02:45:16,760 --> 02:45:16,960
Speaker 2: Then?

2844
02:45:17,160 --> 02:45:21,000
Speaker 5: Wow, we would vote for the Democrats mere because they're

2845
02:45:21,000 --> 02:45:23,600
Speaker 5: the least bad option. I think that's how that goes, right.

2846
02:45:24,760 --> 02:45:26,560
Speaker 5: I've been on Blue Sky a few times this week.

2847
02:45:26,560 --> 02:45:27,880
Speaker 5: I think I've got it pretty drilled in.

2848
02:45:28,640 --> 02:45:33,320
Speaker 4: Catherine Cortes Maestro of Nevada, Dick Dermoan of Illinois, John

2849
02:45:33,440 --> 02:45:38,320
Speaker 4: Fetterman of Pennsylvania, Megghie Hassan of New Hampshire, Tim Kaine

2850
02:45:38,800 --> 02:45:41,200
Speaker 4: of Virginia, Angus King of Maine.

2851
02:45:41,959 --> 02:45:42,000
Speaker 13: No.

2852
02:45:42,200 --> 02:45:46,400
Speaker 4: King's protest member just dropped. Katherine Cortez Mosto of Nevada,

2853
02:45:46,879 --> 02:45:52,600
Speaker 4: and Jan Shaheen of New Hampshire speaking of the Senate

2854
02:45:53,480 --> 02:45:58,320
Speaker 4: and the Oversight Committee, this whole Jeffrey Epstein things doesn't

2855
02:45:58,360 --> 02:45:59,560
Speaker 4: seem to be going away, does it?

2856
02:46:00,200 --> 02:46:04,280
Speaker 2: Man? Like you, I was a skeptic about like, could

2857
02:46:04,320 --> 02:46:07,160
Speaker 2: there be anything in there that's actually going to hurt Trump?

2858
02:46:07,360 --> 02:46:09,600
Speaker 2: If he hasn't been hurt so far by everything that

2859
02:46:09,760 --> 02:46:10,280
Speaker 2: is out there.

2860
02:46:10,920 --> 02:46:12,560
Speaker 3: And I don't know.

2861
02:46:12,640 --> 02:46:14,240
Speaker 2: I guess I'm still a little bit of a skeptic,

2862
02:46:14,320 --> 02:46:16,840
Speaker 2: but it's increasingly hard to be because like, how much?

2863
02:46:17,640 --> 02:46:22,480
Speaker 5: How could it be worse than this? Yeah, there's something

2864
02:46:22,520 --> 02:46:24,400
Speaker 5: that isn't This happened to.

2865
02:46:24,480 --> 02:46:27,960
Speaker 2: Be worse than Donald Trump was at Jeffrey Epstein's mansion

2866
02:46:28,040 --> 02:46:31,200
Speaker 2: and walked into a glass door because he was so

2867
02:46:31,480 --> 02:46:33,040
Speaker 2: busy oggling children.

2868
02:46:34,879 --> 02:46:37,160
Speaker 5: The fact that this is what they released to distract

2869
02:46:37,200 --> 02:46:39,760
Speaker 5: you from the stuff they don't want to release, well, there.

2870
02:46:39,720 --> 02:46:41,840
Speaker 4: Is one the Democrats, oh, to be fair, well both

2871
02:46:42,400 --> 02:46:44,640
Speaker 4: This was the emails they were able to subpoena from

2872
02:46:44,680 --> 02:46:48,160
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein's estate as a part of the Oversight Investigation

2873
02:46:48,480 --> 02:46:54,120
Speaker 4: into the federal government's investigation of the Epstein files. Yesterday,

2874
02:46:54,160 --> 02:46:58,200
Speaker 4: the Oversec Committee released this batch of files related to

2875
02:46:58,240 --> 02:47:01,760
Speaker 4: the Epstein investigation, mostly of note a series of emails

2876
02:47:01,800 --> 02:47:05,879
Speaker 4: from about twenty eleven to twenty nineteen, including one from

2877
02:47:06,120 --> 02:47:09,840
Speaker 4: Epstein written to Maxwell from twenty eleven quote, I want

2878
02:47:09,879 --> 02:47:12,199
Speaker 4: you to realize that the dog that hasn't barked is Trump.

2879
02:47:13,120 --> 02:47:18,400
Speaker 4: Victim redacted named victim spent hours at my house with him.

2880
02:47:18,800 --> 02:47:22,720
Speaker 4: He has never once been mentioned, police chief, etc. I'm

2881
02:47:22,840 --> 02:47:26,680
Speaker 4: seventy five percent there unquote. In a short email exchange

2882
02:47:26,720 --> 02:47:30,800
Speaker 4: from December twenty eighteen, an unknown individual sent Jeffrey Epstein

2883
02:47:30,840 --> 02:47:33,000
Speaker 4: this message quote, it will all blow over. They're really

2884
02:47:33,160 --> 02:47:35,720
Speaker 4: just trying to take down Trump and doing whatever they

2885
02:47:35,840 --> 02:47:40,760
Speaker 4: can to do that, with Epstein replying yes, fix, thanks,

2886
02:47:41,280 --> 02:47:44,760
Speaker 4: it's wild because I am the one able to take

2887
02:47:44,840 --> 02:47:47,520
Speaker 4: him down. Whatever could he mean by that?

2888
02:47:48,160 --> 02:47:49,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, who knows.

2889
02:47:51,000 --> 02:47:53,840
Speaker 2: There's no way to tell. There's absolutely no way to tell.

2890
02:47:54,520 --> 02:47:58,080
Speaker 5: If you are currently in high school English class and

2891
02:47:58,200 --> 02:47:59,840
Speaker 5: people tell you you will not be able to make

2892
02:47:59,840 --> 02:48:02,480
Speaker 5: me millions of dollars if you're unable to use grammar,

2893
02:48:02,600 --> 02:48:06,080
Speaker 5: punctuational capital letters correctly. That that appears not to have

2894
02:48:06,160 --> 02:48:08,040
Speaker 5: been an impediment to Jeffrey Epstein.

2895
02:48:08,120 --> 02:48:10,360
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein's typing style is fascinating.

2896
02:48:10,440 --> 02:48:11,320
Speaker 3: It's awful.

2897
02:48:11,600 --> 02:48:15,879
Speaker 5: Well, it's extremely distinctive, which I suppose is a valuable

2898
02:48:15,920 --> 02:48:16,680
Speaker 5: thing in itself.

2899
02:48:17,160 --> 02:48:20,040
Speaker 4: No, it's it's it's fascinating, But I mean there's a

2900
02:48:20,120 --> 02:48:22,800
Speaker 4: lot of different emails of note. A twenty nineteen email

2901
02:48:23,080 --> 02:48:29,000
Speaker 4: from Epstein to Michael Wolfe quote victim mar al Largo redacted.

2902
02:48:29,680 --> 02:48:32,640
Speaker 4: Trump said, he asked me to resign, never a member.

2903
02:48:32,760 --> 02:48:32,920
Speaker 3: Ever.

2904
02:48:33,560 --> 02:48:36,560
Speaker 4: Of course he knew about the girls, as he asked

2905
02:48:36,600 --> 02:48:40,560
Speaker 4: Glaine to stop unquote, which, by the way, the way that.

2906
02:48:40,600 --> 02:48:42,840
Speaker 3: I've been I've been seeing that quote passed around is

2907
02:48:43,040 --> 02:48:46,280
Speaker 3: just that he knew about the girl's part, which makes

2908
02:48:46,320 --> 02:48:48,879
Speaker 3: it a little bit technically ambiguous as to what he's

2909
02:48:48,879 --> 02:48:51,280
Speaker 3: talking about. But the second part being as he asked

2910
02:48:51,400 --> 02:48:54,360
Speaker 3: just Lane to stop. Oh, that's as blatant as it

2911
02:48:54,400 --> 02:48:58,240
Speaker 3: could possibly be. Right, what Epstein's saying there is really clearer.

2912
02:48:58,879 --> 02:49:01,440
Speaker 3: The main thing that's clear from this exchanges, at the

2913
02:49:01,560 --> 02:49:04,440
Speaker 3: very least, the kind to which Trump was very aware

2914
02:49:04,959 --> 02:49:07,840
Speaker 3: of Epstein's activities.

2915
02:49:08,959 --> 02:49:15,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, in which everyone was not just fucking

2916
02:49:15,760 --> 02:49:20,320
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, but like the Obama Whitehouse's chief legal counsel

2917
02:49:20,400 --> 02:49:24,120
Speaker 2: from twenty eleven twenty fourteen, right, who he messaged with

2918
02:49:24,280 --> 02:49:26,960
Speaker 2: regularly and seems to have been flirting with him, Right,

2919
02:49:27,080 --> 02:49:29,920
Speaker 2: she seems to have been into him. And they're all

2920
02:49:30,040 --> 02:49:33,119
Speaker 2: just kind of casually or he is with them casually

2921
02:49:33,240 --> 02:49:35,560
Speaker 2: joking about like being a pedophile.

2922
02:49:36,240 --> 02:49:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's emails from Steve Bannon here, who he's just

2923
02:49:39,520 --> 02:49:43,080
Speaker 3: chatting with like emails a peer keel at one point.

2924
02:49:43,800 --> 02:49:47,320
Speaker 4: The Steve benn In exchange is from twenty nineteen from

2925
02:49:47,400 --> 02:49:53,560
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein talking about a recent state visit message Prince

2926
02:49:53,720 --> 02:49:59,120
Speaker 4: Andrew and Trump today too funny. Another reply from Epstein

2927
02:50:00,120 --> 02:50:03,320
Speaker 4: call Prince Andrew's accuser came out of mar A Lago

2928
02:50:04,400 --> 02:50:09,200
Speaker 4: and response from Bannon can't believe nobody's making you the

2929
02:50:09,320 --> 02:50:16,720
Speaker 4: connective issue Jesus Christ d wild wildly blatant stuff. In

2930
02:50:16,840 --> 02:50:21,240
Speaker 4: exchange from twenty fifteen from Michael Wolf to Jeffrey Epstein.

2931
02:50:21,879 --> 02:50:24,199
Speaker 4: I hear CNN is planning to ask Trump tonight about

2932
02:50:24,200 --> 02:50:28,480
Speaker 4: his relationship with you, either on air or in scrum. Afterwards,

2933
02:50:29,240 --> 02:50:31,960
Speaker 4: Epstein replied, if you were able to craft an answer

2934
02:50:32,000 --> 02:50:35,000
Speaker 4: for him, what do you think it should be? Wolf

2935
02:50:35,120 --> 02:50:37,840
Speaker 4: responded to that quote, I think you should let him

2936
02:50:37,920 --> 02:50:41,520
Speaker 4: hang himself. If he says he hasn't been on the

2937
02:50:41,640 --> 02:50:44,160
Speaker 4: plane or to the house, then that gives you a

2938
02:50:44,320 --> 02:50:47,800
Speaker 4: valuable pr and political currency. You can hang him in

2939
02:50:47,840 --> 02:50:50,880
Speaker 4: a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you,

2940
02:50:51,640 --> 02:50:54,360
Speaker 4: or if it really looks like he could win, you

2941
02:50:54,480 --> 02:50:58,120
Speaker 4: could save him generating a debt. Of course, it is

2942
02:50:58,240 --> 02:51:00,400
Speaker 4: possible that when asked, He'll say, Jeffrey's great guy and

2943
02:51:00,440 --> 02:51:02,720
Speaker 4: has gotten a raw deal. It's a victim of political correctness,

2944
02:51:03,160 --> 02:51:05,600
Speaker 4: which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime.

2945
02:51:06,160 --> 02:51:09,199
Speaker 5: Managin putting that in writing to a Gmail address.

2946
02:51:09,360 --> 02:51:12,520
Speaker 3: Gmail is fast is a fascinating choice by Epstein.

2947
02:51:13,120 --> 02:51:14,000
Speaker 5: Yeah right, yeah.

2948
02:51:14,400 --> 02:51:14,600
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2949
02:51:15,200 --> 02:51:18,080
Speaker 2: Also the fact that every goddamn one of these messages

2950
02:51:18,240 --> 02:51:21,360
Speaker 2: ends with scent on my iPad? Is is it's just

2951
02:51:21,560 --> 02:51:25,560
Speaker 2: constantly amusing sent to my iPhone? Yeah, there are always

2952
02:51:25,680 --> 02:51:28,760
Speaker 2: like two extra spaces between sentences, Like you can tell

2953
02:51:28,840 --> 02:51:31,680
Speaker 2: they're old people typing on iPads a lot of the

2954
02:51:31,800 --> 02:51:34,240
Speaker 2: time with their fucking clumsy ass fingers.

2955
02:51:34,360 --> 02:51:34,520
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2956
02:51:34,560 --> 02:51:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's beautiful. It's beautiful.

2957
02:51:37,240 --> 02:51:38,360
Speaker 5: Tech sa is huge.

2958
02:51:39,240 --> 02:51:43,440
Speaker 3: Some really disturbing exchanges from Epstein and a man named

2959
02:51:43,520 --> 02:51:48,440
Speaker 3: Lendon Thomas Junior, with Epstein saying would you like a

2960
02:51:48,480 --> 02:51:51,320
Speaker 3: photo of Donald and girls in bikinis in my kitchen?

2961
02:51:51,560 --> 02:51:51,760
Speaker 2: Sure?

2962
02:51:51,879 --> 02:51:58,520
Speaker 4: Bro, Hawaiian tropical girl Lauren Petrella. Epstein then sent a

2963
02:51:58,640 --> 02:52:03,000
Speaker 4: link displaying midge of a woman quote my twenty year

2964
02:52:03,000 --> 02:52:06,320
Speaker 4: old girlfriend in ninety three that after two years I

2965
02:52:06,520 --> 02:52:08,520
Speaker 4: gave to Donald unquote.

2966
02:52:09,000 --> 02:52:11,280
Speaker 3: One thing I want to note here is that Lennon

2967
02:52:11,320 --> 02:52:15,880
Speaker 3: Thomas Junior. Yeah, baby, long long time journalist at the

2968
02:52:15,920 --> 02:52:20,040
Speaker 3: New York Times. And he's just handed this financial journalist. Yes,

2969
02:52:20,200 --> 02:52:22,640
Speaker 3: so he couldn't do anything with it. He could do

2970
02:52:22,760 --> 02:52:25,320
Speaker 3: nothing with it, obvious. Oh, he's a financial journalist.

2971
02:52:25,360 --> 02:52:29,320
Speaker 2: He can't report on what financier Jeffrey Epstein tells him

2972
02:52:29,680 --> 02:52:34,480
Speaker 2: about Donald Trump walking into a glass door because he

2973
02:52:34,640 --> 02:52:37,760
Speaker 2: was oggling naked children a Jeffrey Epstein's mansion. That's a

2974
02:52:37,879 --> 02:52:41,200
Speaker 2: thing that Jeffrey joked about to him, and The New

2975
02:52:41,280 --> 02:52:42,680
Speaker 2: York Times never printed.

2976
02:52:43,400 --> 02:52:47,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, in twenty sixteen they had this.

2977
02:52:48,080 --> 02:52:48,280
Speaker 11: Yeah.

2978
02:52:48,920 --> 02:52:52,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a tendency and I understand why to get

2979
02:52:52,280 --> 02:52:54,080
Speaker 3: sort of burned out on this right to be like,

2980
02:52:54,160 --> 02:52:56,160
Speaker 3: oh my god, it's more Epstein news. But we should

2981
02:52:56,160 --> 02:52:59,080
Speaker 3: be furious about this. Yeah, this was you know what

2982
02:52:59,480 --> 02:53:01,800
Speaker 3: we have. And this isn't even the stuff they're trying

2983
02:53:01,840 --> 02:53:05,120
Speaker 3: to hide, right, This isn't the Epstein files. This is

2984
02:53:05,480 --> 02:53:07,720
Speaker 3: just the emails that the Oversight Committee has been able

2985
02:53:07,760 --> 02:53:10,760
Speaker 3: to get right. And it suggests very plainly that we

2986
02:53:10,840 --> 02:53:12,720
Speaker 3: are ruled by a group of pedophiles. And I refuse

2987
02:53:12,800 --> 02:53:14,840
Speaker 3: to call them a cabal because cabal implies that they

2988
02:53:14,879 --> 02:53:17,600
Speaker 3: work in the shadows. They were not. The entire ruling

2989
02:53:17,600 --> 02:53:21,520
Speaker 3: class knew this was going on openly, and they're joking

2990
02:53:21,600 --> 02:53:24,640
Speaker 3: about it. Yeah, they don't care. Yeah, they think it's funny.

2991
02:53:25,240 --> 02:53:28,280
Speaker 4: There's this exchange from twenty seventeen between Jeffrey and an

2992
02:53:28,400 --> 02:53:32,080
Speaker 4: unknown individual where Jeffrey says, you are welcome at my

2993
02:53:32,200 --> 02:53:36,720
Speaker 4: house always and more private. The person responds, very well,

2994
02:53:36,959 --> 02:53:38,400
Speaker 4: just send me the address again and the code to

2995
02:53:38,440 --> 02:53:40,600
Speaker 4: the door so I can get to the second floor

2996
02:53:40,920 --> 02:53:44,879
Speaker 4: and send me the day and time. Thanks, Jeffrey said

2997
02:53:45,120 --> 02:53:48,440
Speaker 4: ten pm. Should I bring special cake from New York?

2998
02:53:48,760 --> 02:53:53,960
Speaker 4: The unknown individual responded yes, and then once they arrived,

2999
02:53:54,080 --> 02:53:56,760
Speaker 4: they sent the message quote I'm at the door, but

3000
02:53:56,879 --> 02:53:59,760
Speaker 4: I will wait for my time. I don't want to

3001
02:53:59,800 --> 02:54:03,240
Speaker 4: come early to find Trump in your house to laughing emojis,

3002
02:54:03,800 --> 02:54:04,640
Speaker 4: twenty seventeen.

3003
02:54:04,800 --> 02:54:05,039
Speaker 3: Christ.

3004
02:54:05,560 --> 02:54:05,760
Speaker 5: Yeah.

3005
02:54:06,200 --> 02:54:08,560
Speaker 3: And the reason they're doing this, right, the reason they're

3006
02:54:08,720 --> 02:54:10,640
Speaker 3: they're so blatant about this reason they all think it's

3007
02:54:10,680 --> 02:54:12,560
Speaker 3: so funny. The reason they're just doing this over completely

3008
02:54:12,640 --> 02:54:16,120
Speaker 3: unencrypted email in a way that like someone planning a

3009
02:54:16,280 --> 02:54:20,920
Speaker 3: completely legal protest where you stand outside of a building

3010
02:54:21,440 --> 02:54:24,680
Speaker 3: with signs right, would not plan it like this. The

3011
02:54:24,840 --> 02:54:28,760
Speaker 3: reason they're doing This is that these people and men

3012
02:54:28,920 --> 02:54:31,240
Speaker 3: like them have been ruling this country for five hundred

3013
02:54:31,320 --> 02:54:36,000
Speaker 3: years in an uninterrupted line from Columbus's fucking crew through

3014
02:54:36,400 --> 02:54:40,039
Speaker 3: on Hispaniola, through Jefferson and Sally Hemmings like to Epstein

3015
02:54:40,200 --> 02:54:42,840
Speaker 3: is an uninterrupted line. They think that they are completely

3016
02:54:42,879 --> 02:54:45,840
Speaker 3: invincible and that no one will ever challenge them, and

3017
02:54:46,200 --> 02:54:49,320
Speaker 3: you know, maybe maybe they're fucking right. For all of

3018
02:54:49,400 --> 02:54:51,960
Speaker 3: the sort of moaning and complaining about woke censorship and

3019
02:54:52,080 --> 02:54:54,880
Speaker 3: me too in cancel culture, these people never shot the

3020
02:54:54,920 --> 02:54:57,320
Speaker 3: fuck up ever at any point. All of these people

3021
02:54:57,320 --> 02:54:59,480
Speaker 3: are running around to their fucking Epstein conferences taking a

3022
02:54:59,480 --> 02:55:01,359
Speaker 3: bunch of money talk about eugenics.

3023
02:55:01,840 --> 02:55:04,360
Speaker 2: Well, and that's I mean, there was some fun stuff

3024
02:55:04,360 --> 02:55:07,520
Speaker 2: about that in here too, because he was emailing with

3025
02:55:07,840 --> 02:55:13,520
Speaker 2: Lawrence Krauss. Less eugenics and more hatred of women where too,

3026
02:55:13,640 --> 02:55:16,400
Speaker 2: Like there were very funny emails where Kraus was being like,

3027
02:55:16,720 --> 02:55:19,360
Speaker 2: you know, I'd made a comment in a speech that

3028
02:55:19,640 --> 02:55:21,960
Speaker 2: half of all the IQ in the world comes from women,

3029
02:55:22,040 --> 02:55:25,720
Speaker 2: but they're more than half the population. Ha like a

3030
02:55:25,800 --> 02:55:28,600
Speaker 2: lot of just like casual. It's a really interesting insight

3031
02:55:28,760 --> 02:55:31,640
Speaker 2: into how people at kind of the highest levels of

3032
02:55:31,760 --> 02:55:36,160
Speaker 2: finance and government and just wealth in general, and in

3033
02:55:36,600 --> 02:55:40,280
Speaker 2: media like communicated with each other during this period of time.

3034
02:55:40,320 --> 02:55:43,560
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's different now because people are even less

3035
02:55:43,560 --> 02:55:46,720
Speaker 2: good at writing, but yeah, it's a useful. It's a

3036
02:55:46,760 --> 02:55:49,840
Speaker 2: snapshot that we don't get anywhere else of like this,

3037
02:55:50,200 --> 02:55:53,240
Speaker 2: this chunk of the I mean talking about that fucker

3038
02:55:53,280 --> 02:55:55,280
Speaker 2: at the New York Times, who, by the way, was

3039
02:55:55,440 --> 02:55:59,840
Speaker 2: shitcan in twenty nineteen for soliciting donations from Jeffrey Epstein

3040
02:56:00,200 --> 02:56:04,560
Speaker 2: and not informing them of his personal relationship. But again,

3041
02:56:04,640 --> 02:56:08,959
Speaker 2: the Times never published anything based on their conversations. It's

3042
02:56:09,040 --> 02:56:11,400
Speaker 2: the same group of people who have been telling us

3043
02:56:12,320 --> 02:56:16,640
Speaker 2: every issue that like it might changentally be connected to,

3044
02:56:16,800 --> 02:56:22,720
Speaker 2: like transitioning is newsworthy, and it's incredibly newsworthy if this

3045
02:56:23,000 --> 02:56:27,400
Speaker 2: like official at a college might have plagiarized once in

3046
02:56:27,480 --> 02:56:29,880
Speaker 2: their childhood but or in their youth. But like, it's

3047
02:56:29,959 --> 02:56:34,119
Speaker 2: not newsworthy at all to talk about the possible future

3048
02:56:34,200 --> 02:56:38,200
Speaker 2: president walking face first into a glass door because he's

3049
02:56:38,200 --> 02:56:40,680
Speaker 2: staring at naked children in a pedophile's mansion.

3050
02:56:41,320 --> 02:56:43,640
Speaker 3: This is the period. This is the period with they

3051
02:56:43,680 --> 02:56:47,240
Speaker 3: were running stories about the food at Grinnell College. Yeah,

3052
02:56:47,680 --> 02:56:49,360
Speaker 3: and you can and you know, And there's another I

3053
02:56:49,440 --> 02:56:50,840
Speaker 3: think part of this too, where if you look at

3054
02:56:50,879 --> 02:56:53,560
Speaker 3: these things, you can find these people all complaining about

3055
02:56:53,600 --> 02:56:56,640
Speaker 3: me too. Right now, you can find these people all

3056
02:56:56,760 --> 02:56:58,960
Speaker 3: doing their sort of like, oh, these are all those

3057
02:56:58,959 --> 02:57:00,600
Speaker 3: same people who do all of the like oh, like

3058
02:57:00,760 --> 02:57:03,400
Speaker 3: we're the bold truth tellers, blah blah blah, we're being

3059
02:57:03,520 --> 02:57:06,320
Speaker 3: censored by like cancer culture. I want to take a

3060
02:57:06,360 --> 02:57:08,240
Speaker 3: stab at the question that these that you're actually not

3061
02:57:08,360 --> 02:57:10,720
Speaker 3: allowed to ask, you know. And what I say you're

3062
02:57:10,720 --> 02:57:12,480
Speaker 3: not allowed to ask is these people don't want you

3063
02:57:12,560 --> 02:57:14,720
Speaker 3: to ask. All the fucking hedge fund manage CEOs, all

3064
02:57:14,720 --> 02:57:16,480
Speaker 3: the senators, all the presidents, every one of these fucking

3065
02:57:16,520 --> 02:57:19,000
Speaker 3: files does not want you to ask a simple question.

3066
02:57:19,120 --> 02:57:21,680
Speaker 3: Why do we have a ruling class? Like we gave

3067
02:57:21,760 --> 02:57:26,040
Speaker 3: them five hundred years of running this continent and do

3068
02:57:26,040 --> 02:57:29,040
Speaker 3: you know what they produced again? Five hundred years of

3069
02:57:29,480 --> 02:57:32,600
Speaker 3: uninterrupted pedophiles. Right we are we are on we are

3070
02:57:32,640 --> 02:57:35,359
Speaker 3: on year five hundred of this from like Colabus, Jefferson

3071
02:57:35,400 --> 02:57:38,320
Speaker 3: to Epstein, the Trump right, So why do we have this?

3072
02:57:39,200 --> 02:57:41,480
Speaker 2: That's just not how people people. No one's going to

3073
02:57:41,560 --> 02:57:44,039
Speaker 2: a store or to the politics store or heading out

3074
02:57:44,080 --> 02:57:48,080
Speaker 2: to vote and voting for another year of the pedophile

3075
02:57:48,200 --> 02:57:50,560
Speaker 2: ruling class. People don't really think. People don't tend to

3076
02:57:50,600 --> 02:57:53,360
Speaker 2: think about it that way, and in part they don't

3077
02:57:53,440 --> 02:57:57,360
Speaker 2: because the ruling strata of the United States has not

3078
02:57:58,520 --> 02:58:02,560
Speaker 2: portrayed itself in the same unbroken way right like it

3079
02:58:02,760 --> 02:58:06,200
Speaker 2: very much makes an effort not to in public. And

3080
02:58:06,280 --> 02:58:08,240
Speaker 2: there's an extent to which it is. It's certainly different

3081
02:58:08,280 --> 02:58:10,760
Speaker 2: than like the old aristocracy of the British and the

3082
02:58:10,879 --> 02:58:14,040
Speaker 2: landed gentry that ruled the British Empire. It's not exactly

3083
02:58:14,240 --> 02:58:17,280
Speaker 2: the same, but it is like the same kind of

3084
02:58:17,440 --> 02:58:20,760
Speaker 2: people and in a lot of cases the same families

3085
02:58:21,000 --> 02:58:24,760
Speaker 2: that continue to control large amounts of wealth and inherent

3086
02:58:24,879 --> 02:58:28,360
Speaker 2: political power. I mean, there's another fucking Kennedy who seems

3087
02:58:28,440 --> 02:58:32,320
Speaker 2: like a nice kid getting into politics just as we speak, right,

3088
02:58:32,760 --> 02:58:35,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I feel like we'll have

3089
02:58:35,080 --> 02:58:38,200
Speaker 2: a dedicated episode on more of the Epstein stuff. And

3090
02:58:38,480 --> 02:58:40,920
Speaker 2: there's an extent to which I keep thinking about that,

3091
02:58:41,040 --> 02:58:42,960
Speaker 2: like bitten community, where it's like no one's on the

3092
02:58:43,000 --> 02:58:45,240
Speaker 2: other side of this issue that's listening to this podcast.

3093
02:58:45,320 --> 02:58:49,560
Speaker 2: Everybody's very angry about the pedophilia everybody's very angry about

3094
02:58:49,600 --> 02:58:53,200
Speaker 2: all of this stuff, and I have mostly been interpreting

3095
02:58:53,240 --> 02:58:56,080
Speaker 2: it through just like laughing over the last day or two,

3096
02:58:56,120 --> 02:58:58,800
Speaker 2: which is bad because it's like really bad stuff. You

3097
02:58:58,840 --> 02:59:01,640
Speaker 2: shouldn't just do that it, But like what else? What

3098
02:59:01,800 --> 02:59:05,200
Speaker 2: other reactions? Like you can pick and choose whatever you do.

3099
02:59:06,120 --> 02:59:08,440
Speaker 2: I think to your point, Mia, however you react to this,

3100
02:59:08,520 --> 02:59:12,000
Speaker 2: it's not going to change anything, right, yeah, Like so fine,

3101
02:59:12,000 --> 02:59:12,440
Speaker 2: it hasn't.

3102
02:59:12,879 --> 02:59:15,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, but I mean, okay, I don't think that's

3103
02:59:16,080 --> 02:59:19,840
Speaker 3: completely true. You can watch how just like pissed off

3104
02:59:19,920 --> 02:59:23,360
Speaker 3: and scared these people were about like about me too, right,

3105
02:59:23,400 --> 02:59:25,080
Speaker 3: and like you can you can go listen to Bannon

3106
02:59:25,120 --> 02:59:26,720
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago talking about how if they

3107
02:59:26,760 --> 02:59:29,320
Speaker 3: lose the election, like we're all going to prison. Yeah right,

3108
02:59:29,520 --> 02:59:34,360
Speaker 3: like these people are like concerned about even like me too,

3109
02:59:34,400 --> 02:59:36,640
Speaker 3: which was a fairly milk toe like it wasn't like

3110
02:59:36,720 --> 02:59:40,160
Speaker 3: a particularly radical feminist movement right now, and these people

3111
02:59:40,240 --> 02:59:43,840
Speaker 3: were losing their fucking minds about it. And you know,

3112
02:59:44,080 --> 02:59:47,560
Speaker 3: like we we have the potential to organize feminist movements

3113
02:59:47,560 --> 02:59:50,080
Speaker 3: that can actually do things about this shit, Like we

3114
02:59:50,440 --> 02:59:52,680
Speaker 3: are capable of building new feminist movements we did one

3115
02:59:52,959 --> 02:59:55,520
Speaker 3: not that long ago that was a big part of

3116
02:59:55,720 --> 03:00:00,600
Speaker 3: this administration collapsing the first time, and we can do

3117
03:00:00,720 --> 03:00:01,119
Speaker 3: it again.

3118
03:00:01,280 --> 03:00:03,480
Speaker 2: I'm not saying there's no point in fighting them. I'm

3119
03:00:03,520 --> 03:00:06,120
Speaker 2: just saying, like your reaction the moment to the epstein

3120
03:00:06,200 --> 03:00:10,480
Speaker 2: Leagues doesn't matter as much as is this going to

3121
03:00:11,920 --> 03:00:15,160
Speaker 2: Is this going to cause any kind of like long

3122
03:00:15,280 --> 03:00:18,760
Speaker 2: term resistance to the administration? Is this going to? And

3123
03:00:18,879 --> 03:00:21,760
Speaker 2: maybe it will, But like I guess the thing that

3124
03:00:21,800 --> 03:00:25,120
Speaker 2: I'm curious about is like what what is what are

3125
03:00:25,440 --> 03:00:28,480
Speaker 2: what are we doing to try and make this matter? Right,

3126
03:00:28,680 --> 03:00:31,160
Speaker 2: Because like that's that's where I am.

3127
03:00:31,400 --> 03:00:34,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, But the answer to the question is this going

3128
03:00:34,240 --> 03:00:36,560
Speaker 3: to matter? Is also something that every single one of

3129
03:00:36,640 --> 03:00:39,840
Speaker 3: us decides, right, because if we all just do nothing,

3130
03:00:40,080 --> 03:00:41,760
Speaker 3: then yeah, nothing, nothing will happen.

3131
03:00:42,440 --> 03:00:42,600
Speaker 8: Right.

3132
03:00:43,200 --> 03:00:46,080
Speaker 3: If we go mobilize and we go do things to

3133
03:00:46,160 --> 03:00:49,000
Speaker 3: resist these people, we intensify the things we're already doing.

3134
03:00:49,000 --> 03:00:50,640
Speaker 3: If we start doing new things, if we start doing

3135
03:00:50,720 --> 03:00:55,520
Speaker 3: new sort of feminist insertioncies, right then things can change.

3136
03:00:56,000 --> 03:00:59,360
Speaker 3: But if we don't, they're not going to and we're

3137
03:00:59,440 --> 03:01:01,080
Speaker 3: just going to have another five hundred years with these

3138
03:01:01,120 --> 03:01:02,199
Speaker 3: pedophiles ruling everything.

3139
03:01:02,400 --> 03:01:06,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that it's probably more a

3140
03:01:06,560 --> 03:01:10,520
Speaker 2: matter of like, this is likely to shift more people

3141
03:01:10,560 --> 03:01:14,320
Speaker 2: away from the GOP, at least in the immediate future.

3142
03:01:14,400 --> 03:01:16,240
Speaker 2: I don't think in the long term. I don't know

3143
03:01:16,320 --> 03:01:18,640
Speaker 2: that you don't build a coalition off of this, because

3144
03:01:18,680 --> 03:01:22,039
Speaker 2: the dims certainly aren't trying to you at least get

3145
03:01:22,080 --> 03:01:26,240
Speaker 2: this like wider awareness of where the real problem was.

3146
03:01:26,440 --> 03:01:27,720
Speaker 2: But I just don't know.

3147
03:01:27,959 --> 03:01:29,840
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be utilized electorally by some

3148
03:01:29,959 --> 03:01:33,600
Speaker 4: Republicans to eventually decouple the party from Trump. Yes, after

3149
03:01:33,879 --> 03:01:35,560
Speaker 4: this becomes more and more evident, and they're looking for

3150
03:01:35,640 --> 03:01:38,640
Speaker 4: a way to get themselves out of becoming the Trump Party,

3151
03:01:39,120 --> 03:01:42,320
Speaker 4: and turning on him specifically through this issue will probably

3152
03:01:42,360 --> 03:01:44,200
Speaker 4: be one of the methods in which they do that.

3153
03:01:44,720 --> 03:01:47,280
Speaker 4: And you see that with some people like even like

3154
03:01:47,680 --> 03:01:49,400
Speaker 4: margin Ta Lagree and Lauren Bobert.

3155
03:01:49,640 --> 03:01:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rod Drere is writing about some stuff adjacent to this, Right,

3156
03:01:53,640 --> 03:01:56,160
Speaker 2: these are the guys who think Vance needs to lead

3157
03:01:56,200 --> 03:01:57,400
Speaker 2: the party away from Trump.

3158
03:01:58,040 --> 03:02:01,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and are already viewing Trump as a sort

3159
03:02:01,480 --> 03:02:05,240
Speaker 4: of lame duck presidency insomuch is that he's kind of

3160
03:02:05,280 --> 03:02:08,000
Speaker 4: failed to do a whole bunch of stuff especially on

3161
03:02:08,040 --> 03:02:10,960
Speaker 4: the economy in the past year. The midterms are about

3162
03:02:10,959 --> 03:02:12,200
Speaker 4: to get up and running. That's going to take up

3163
03:02:12,200 --> 03:02:14,800
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of energy that everyone expects the Dems

3164
03:02:14,840 --> 03:02:16,680
Speaker 4: to do very well in the midterms and then prevent

3165
03:02:16,959 --> 03:02:19,640
Speaker 4: Trump administration in the final two years from getting much

3166
03:02:19,640 --> 03:02:24,400
Speaker 4: of anything done through blocking things in Congress. And that's

3167
03:02:24,440 --> 03:02:26,880
Speaker 4: what a lot of people on the far right are

3168
03:02:27,000 --> 03:02:32,600
Speaker 4: like taking this situation as as basically January to now

3169
03:02:33,000 --> 03:02:35,600
Speaker 4: was the second Trump administration. This is the most that

3170
03:02:35,640 --> 03:02:38,120
Speaker 4: they're going to get done, and now it's kind of

3171
03:02:38,160 --> 03:02:42,240
Speaker 4: all downhill from here, yea, and they're looking far beyond

3172
03:02:42,320 --> 03:02:42,879
Speaker 4: Trump now.

3173
03:02:43,040 --> 03:02:58,280
Speaker 5: Yes, I want to tack back to the Times real

3174
03:02:58,400 --> 03:03:02,120
Speaker 5: quickly before we move past it. Like Garrison, some of

3175
03:03:02,160 --> 03:03:04,640
Speaker 5: those emails you read, if I'm not mistaken, were like

3176
03:03:04,720 --> 03:03:07,000
Speaker 5: in December of twenty eighteen.

3177
03:03:06,840 --> 03:03:14,560
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, the twenty eighteen ones are Epstein saying I

3178
03:03:14,720 --> 03:03:16,480
Speaker 4: am the one able to take him down.

3179
03:03:16,600 --> 03:03:17,560
Speaker 3: That one from twenty eighteen.

3180
03:03:18,480 --> 03:03:21,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, So let's talk about I mean, the week

3181
03:03:21,720 --> 03:03:24,160
Speaker 5: before the midterms and all week after midterms in terms

3182
03:03:24,200 --> 03:03:27,000
Speaker 5: of Times front page stories. Right the week before the

3183
03:03:27,000 --> 03:03:30,320
Speaker 5: midterms to twenty eighteen, the Times ran twelve stories on

3184
03:03:30,480 --> 03:03:33,600
Speaker 5: the quote unquote migrant caravan on the front page ran

3185
03:03:33,680 --> 03:03:36,879
Speaker 5: twenty fourth. Oh yeah, I remember that, right the week

3186
03:03:37,120 --> 03:03:43,280
Speaker 5: after it ran five. The migrant caravan continued to grow

3187
03:03:43,400 --> 03:03:46,200
Speaker 5: as more people are I was physically present in Tijuana

3188
03:03:46,360 --> 03:03:48,560
Speaker 5: right as the caravan was arriving, and I continued to

3189
03:03:48,680 --> 03:03:51,720
Speaker 5: be present for the rest of that year. The caravan

3190
03:03:51,720 --> 03:03:53,760
Speaker 5: con teamed to grow, more people continue to come. Right,

3191
03:03:54,000 --> 03:03:57,520
Speaker 5: this is and a choice was made not to cover

3192
03:03:57,640 --> 03:04:01,040
Speaker 5: the Epstein stuff that Roberts spoke about. Right, A choice

3193
03:04:01,200 --> 03:04:03,880
Speaker 5: was also made at that time to really like, this

3194
03:04:04,040 --> 03:04:06,960
Speaker 5: caravan was not huge. It was large, but it wasn't

3195
03:04:07,000 --> 03:04:10,840
Speaker 5: a hugely remarkable number of migrants, and it occupied twelve

3196
03:04:11,040 --> 03:04:15,200
Speaker 5: front page stories during that one week before the election. Right,

3197
03:04:15,360 --> 03:04:17,680
Speaker 5: I don't know how else I could say this, Like

3198
03:04:17,760 --> 03:04:20,800
Speaker 5: they're literally saying look over there. Yeah.

3199
03:04:21,879 --> 03:04:25,000
Speaker 2: Well, and I guess that's part of my fear gear

3200
03:04:25,600 --> 03:04:28,560
Speaker 2: is I think that is accurate as to how things

3201
03:04:28,600 --> 03:04:30,360
Speaker 2: are going to play out, and that the DIMS will

3202
03:04:30,400 --> 03:04:34,760
Speaker 2: have a good mid term and probably pretty good results

3203
03:04:34,800 --> 03:04:37,200
Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty. That's less clear to me, you know,

3204
03:04:37,360 --> 03:04:39,520
Speaker 2: because in part, if the DIMS have a really good

3205
03:04:39,680 --> 03:04:42,280
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, and then things continue to get worse.

3206
03:04:42,320 --> 03:04:45,000
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll blame the party. I don't know who's going

3207
03:04:45,040 --> 03:04:46,960
Speaker 2: to show up on the you know, after Trump that

3208
03:04:47,160 --> 03:04:49,760
Speaker 2: that's all a little unclear. But what worries me is

3209
03:04:49,760 --> 03:04:52,440
Speaker 2: that in the mix of all that we're going to

3210
03:04:52,600 --> 03:04:56,080
Speaker 2: get away from and I think this is almost inevitable

3211
03:04:56,520 --> 03:05:00,680
Speaker 2: actual accountability for these people, Like, I don't four seed

3212
03:05:00,720 --> 03:05:05,160
Speaker 2: they're being strong punished. I foresee things moving forward, possibly

3213
03:05:05,200 --> 03:05:06,840
Speaker 2: in a way where they get quite a bit better,

3214
03:05:07,080 --> 03:05:10,680
Speaker 2: but not where I don't see the likelihood of these

3215
03:05:10,760 --> 03:05:15,080
Speaker 2: people getting punished. And I don't know that somebody running

3216
03:05:15,320 --> 03:05:17,720
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty eight on a platform of we're going

3217
03:05:17,840 --> 03:05:20,680
Speaker 2: to hang these people in the street would win, But

3218
03:05:20,800 --> 03:05:21,800
Speaker 2: I think it's worth a shot.

3219
03:05:23,920 --> 03:05:28,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty far off, I really know. Yeah,

3220
03:05:28,680 --> 03:05:32,600
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how much this will still be relevant

3221
03:05:32,640 --> 03:05:36,680
Speaker 4: by then. I mean after Mike Johnson for seven weeks

3222
03:05:37,040 --> 03:05:41,959
Speaker 4: delayed the swearing in of Arizona representative at Elite Gorihalva,

3223
03:05:42,800 --> 03:05:45,920
Speaker 4: she was finally sworn in yesterday on Wednesday and became

3224
03:05:46,080 --> 03:05:50,800
Speaker 4: the two hundred and eighteenth required signature on the discharge

3225
03:05:50,879 --> 03:05:54,720
Speaker 4: petition to force a floor vote for the full release

3226
03:05:54,920 --> 03:05:58,880
Speaker 4: of the Epstein files. Johnson says this vote will happen

3227
03:05:59,160 --> 03:06:04,160
Speaker 4: next week. During this process, Trump held an emergency meeting

3228
03:06:04,240 --> 03:06:08,840
Speaker 4: in the Situation Room with Pam Bondie, Todd Blanche, and

3229
03:06:09,040 --> 03:06:12,560
Speaker 4: Cash Bettel to convince Lauren Bobert to take her name

3230
03:06:12,760 --> 03:06:16,240
Speaker 4: off the petition, which would then result in it not

3231
03:06:16,520 --> 03:06:20,280
Speaker 4: being complete and forcing the vote. They are certainly in

3232
03:06:20,440 --> 03:06:23,360
Speaker 4: a panic over this. The whole White House team is.

3233
03:06:24,040 --> 03:06:27,840
Speaker 4: This morning Thursday, Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt put out an

3234
03:06:27,879 --> 03:06:31,200
Speaker 4: amazing post on x the Everything app quote. If not

3235
03:06:31,400 --> 03:06:34,600
Speaker 4: for the Jeffrey Epstein story, CNN would be forced talk

3236
03:06:34,640 --> 03:06:37,600
Speaker 4: about how Chuck Schumer and the Democrats got shellacked by

3237
03:06:37,680 --> 03:06:40,800
Speaker 4: President Trump and Republicans in the government shut down fight.

3238
03:06:41,360 --> 03:06:44,240
Speaker 4: It's clear this is another Democrat and mainstream media hoax

3239
03:06:44,280 --> 03:06:47,680
Speaker 4: fueled by fake outrage distract. When the President's wins, Republicans

3240
03:06:47,720 --> 03:06:50,320
Speaker 4: don't be fooled. President Trump will remain focused on making

3241
03:06:50,360 --> 03:06:54,800
Speaker 4: America affordable again. If not for the Jeffrey Epstein story.

3242
03:06:55,520 --> 03:06:56,400
Speaker 2: It was if not.

3243
03:06:56,760 --> 03:06:59,520
Speaker 4: If not, aren't we all saying that if the president

3244
03:06:59,720 --> 03:07:03,480
Speaker 4: was a pedophile, then everyone would love him.

3245
03:07:07,280 --> 03:07:09,800
Speaker 2: If not for the child molestation, he'd be allowed to

3246
03:07:09,879 --> 03:07:10,879
Speaker 2: live in this neighborhood.

3247
03:07:13,160 --> 03:07:15,440
Speaker 4: I want mentioned the Macon Kelly thing in terms of

3248
03:07:16,080 --> 03:07:18,720
Speaker 4: in terms of Republicans reacting to this and trying to

3249
03:07:18,760 --> 03:07:21,120
Speaker 4: find a way to sort through. And some of them

3250
03:07:21,160 --> 03:07:24,680
Speaker 4: are manufacturing like consent, like making Kelly here, and others

3251
03:07:24,720 --> 03:07:26,640
Speaker 4: I think are quite ready to just throw Trump to

3252
03:07:26,680 --> 03:07:27,119
Speaker 4: the wolves.

3253
03:07:27,160 --> 03:07:30,520
Speaker 3: Frankly, Yeah, there's a so Megan Kelly, I'm not gonna

3254
03:07:30,520 --> 03:07:32,280
Speaker 3: play the clip from you all because having to listen

3255
03:07:32,320 --> 03:07:33,679
Speaker 3: to making Kelly's.

3256
03:07:33,920 --> 03:07:37,080
Speaker 4: I've listened to four hours of Makeing Kelly this week.

3257
03:07:37,160 --> 03:07:37,320
Speaker 5: Mia.

3258
03:07:37,520 --> 03:07:40,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's know more. But she has this whole line

3259
03:07:40,720 --> 03:07:42,560
Speaker 3: about how she knows someone who's close to the case

3260
03:07:42,600 --> 03:07:45,560
Speaker 3: and has all the details and that person thinks that, Yeah,

3261
03:07:45,879 --> 03:07:47,600
Speaker 3: her exact quote is, I think there's a difference, a

3262
03:07:47,640 --> 03:07:49,480
Speaker 3: difference between a fifteen year old and a five year old.

3263
03:07:49,520 --> 03:07:52,000
Speaker 3: I mean she literally is talking about how, oh he

3264
03:07:52,160 --> 03:07:54,000
Speaker 3: was into the he wasn't into four or five year olds.

3265
03:07:54,000 --> 03:07:56,520
Speaker 3: He's talking about She says this and I quote barely

3266
03:07:56,680 --> 03:08:00,360
Speaker 3: legal types, and then she says fourteen or fifteen, which

3267
03:08:00,720 --> 03:08:05,520
Speaker 3: no legal Just pause, pause right there, fourteen fifteen not legal.

3268
03:08:05,680 --> 03:08:07,440
Speaker 3: I think there was a conversation to be had about

3269
03:08:07,440 --> 03:08:09,959
Speaker 3: the descent, which the barely legal like just turned eighteen

3270
03:08:10,080 --> 03:08:12,800
Speaker 3: shit is to a large extent of product of like

3271
03:08:13,000 --> 03:08:16,320
Speaker 3: American pedophil culture and misogyny. But like, those are fourteen

3272
03:08:16,360 --> 03:08:19,080
Speaker 3: and fifteen year olds, and this is the like you know, this,

3273
03:08:19,240 --> 03:08:21,640
Speaker 3: this is the defense of these people are are dragging

3274
03:08:21,720 --> 03:08:24,640
Speaker 3: out for this, which is that oh well he wasn't

3275
03:08:24,800 --> 03:08:28,320
Speaker 3: like literal like like five year olds. So actually it's

3276
03:08:28,600 --> 03:08:31,240
Speaker 3: like they're they're they're they're doing the libertarian thing. It's like,

3277
03:08:31,320 --> 03:08:32,800
Speaker 3: isn't it be a file or whatever? The fuck?

3278
03:08:33,360 --> 03:08:34,720
Speaker 4: I think a lot of this is also the result

3279
03:08:34,760 --> 03:08:37,320
Speaker 4: of like the QAnon brained idea that like they're four

3280
03:08:37,400 --> 03:08:40,760
Speaker 4: year olds and like, no, this is mostly like really

3281
03:08:40,840 --> 03:08:43,560
Speaker 4: young teenagers. That's mostly what these guys are into and

3282
03:08:43,840 --> 03:08:45,959
Speaker 4: making Kelly specifically was talking about Epstein.

3283
03:08:45,680 --> 03:08:46,520
Speaker 5: This is even really young.

3284
03:08:46,560 --> 03:08:50,000
Speaker 2: They're six fifteen to seventeen year old girls.

3285
03:08:50,160 --> 03:08:50,320
Speaker 13: Right.

3286
03:08:50,600 --> 03:08:52,640
Speaker 2: That's the part of the problem is that a huge

3287
03:08:53,280 --> 03:08:56,640
Speaker 2: number of not just men, but largely men in this

3288
03:08:56,800 --> 03:09:01,119
Speaker 2: country don't see fifteen to seventeen year old girls as children.

3289
03:09:00,879 --> 03:09:01,560
Speaker 3: Which they are.

3290
03:09:02,200 --> 03:09:07,720
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's really a pro Yeah, it's.

3291
03:09:06,959 --> 03:09:11,560
Speaker 3: Just struggling, just incredible structural misogyny that's just yeah, And

3292
03:09:11,640 --> 03:09:13,560
Speaker 3: so that's what they're sort of trying to bake all

3293
03:09:13,600 --> 03:09:15,480
Speaker 3: of this stuff as now. And I guess we'll see

3294
03:09:15,480 --> 03:09:18,279
Speaker 3: whether it works or not, just because.

3295
03:09:18,959 --> 03:09:21,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think this line from Megan Kelly is

3296
03:09:21,280 --> 03:09:26,520
Speaker 4: going to be very a large scale of Butbophelia. I

3297
03:09:26,600 --> 03:09:29,200
Speaker 4: don't think it's I don't think it's gonna work. I

3298
03:09:29,360 --> 03:09:32,720
Speaker 4: I her motivations for this are I'm sure not great.

3299
03:09:33,120 --> 03:09:33,240
Speaker 3: Now.

3300
03:09:33,320 --> 03:09:35,360
Speaker 5: You don't know that, Garrison, And I think in some

3301
03:09:35,440 --> 03:09:36,959
Speaker 5: way she is pulling from like this like a QAnon

3302
03:09:37,000 --> 03:09:38,760
Speaker 5: brained idea, right, that these are a whole bunch of

3303
03:09:38,879 --> 03:09:40,400
Speaker 5: like basically infants.

3304
03:09:40,840 --> 03:09:44,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, what else do you want to talk about?

3305
03:09:45,520 --> 03:09:49,920
Speaker 2: Let's talk about January sixth and the terrorisms.

3306
03:09:51,000 --> 03:09:54,240
Speaker 3: Sure, I love no either of those things.

3307
03:09:55,040 --> 03:09:58,039
Speaker 2: I I Garrison, you love terrorism.

3308
03:09:58,440 --> 03:10:00,280
Speaker 4: I had a fun day, No, I honestly I had.

3309
03:10:00,360 --> 03:10:01,840
Speaker 4: I had a great January sixth.

3310
03:10:02,040 --> 03:10:02,480
Speaker 2: That's good.

3311
03:10:03,080 --> 03:10:04,600
Speaker 4: That was a really fun morning for me.

3312
03:10:04,840 --> 03:10:07,080
Speaker 2: That was a hoot of a day. Boy howdie when

3313
03:10:07,120 --> 03:10:11,840
Speaker 2: they breached the capital doors? Great time? Well windows first,

3314
03:10:11,920 --> 03:10:12,640
Speaker 2: but yeah, I.

3315
03:10:12,680 --> 03:10:15,560
Speaker 3: Think you mean when the FBI breached the Capitol.

3316
03:10:15,160 --> 03:10:16,240
Speaker 5: Stores for sure.

3317
03:10:16,440 --> 03:10:20,400
Speaker 2: Yes, So this all takes me to the sub stack

3318
03:10:20,560 --> 03:10:25,320
Speaker 2: of a guy named Rod Dreyer. Rod Is, he wouldn't

3319
03:10:25,560 --> 03:10:28,200
Speaker 2: call himself a fascist. But if you ever bring up

3320
03:10:28,680 --> 03:10:31,520
Speaker 2: is this specific fascist from history bad, he'd say, well,

3321
03:10:31,600 --> 03:10:34,120
Speaker 2: not compared to the communists they stopped right. That's the

3322
03:10:34,200 --> 03:10:36,240
Speaker 2: kind of conservative conservative that Rod is.

3323
03:10:36,360 --> 03:10:37,360
Speaker 3: He's basically friends.

3324
03:10:38,160 --> 03:10:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's basically friends of Victor or Body.

3325
03:10:40,680 --> 03:10:40,880
Speaker 5: Yeah.

3326
03:10:41,680 --> 03:10:44,560
Speaker 3: Didn't he just write a piece called our women ruining

3327
03:10:44,600 --> 03:10:45,279
Speaker 3: the workplace?

3328
03:10:45,680 --> 03:10:48,200
Speaker 2: He's written several like that. I think he's just like

3329
03:10:48,280 --> 03:10:50,760
Speaker 2: the people I'm talking about. Was when he came out

3330
03:10:50,760 --> 03:10:52,440
Speaker 2: with on November tenth, called what I Saw on herd

3331
03:10:52,480 --> 03:10:54,760
Speaker 2: in Washington, and he was at a meeting with President

3332
03:10:54,840 --> 03:11:01,080
Speaker 2: Vice President James Darryl Vance, not his stolen James Dolan Vance.

3333
03:11:01,800 --> 03:11:04,360
Speaker 2: That's a good James Dolan. You're a real New Yorker. Now,

3334
03:11:04,480 --> 03:11:07,320
Speaker 2: gare are you pissed about the Knicks permanently?

3335
03:11:07,959 --> 03:11:08,119
Speaker 5: Now?

3336
03:11:09,120 --> 03:11:10,560
Speaker 4: Basketball's too masculine for me.

3337
03:11:10,720 --> 03:11:13,200
Speaker 2: So he came out with this article about this this

3338
03:11:13,400 --> 03:11:16,040
Speaker 2: meeting that that Vance had with Victor Orbon and some

3339
03:11:16,160 --> 03:11:18,760
Speaker 2: other Republican luminaries. And for a little bit of context,

3340
03:11:18,920 --> 03:11:22,039
Speaker 2: Dreyer is, again, you wouldn't call him an anti trumper.

3341
03:11:22,120 --> 03:11:23,640
Speaker 2: You'd call him a guy who thinks that Trump is

3342
03:11:23,720 --> 03:11:25,840
Speaker 2: going to doom the right and doom the right to

3343
03:11:25,920 --> 03:11:28,680
Speaker 2: fascism unless jd Vance can save them. He actually has

3344
03:11:28,720 --> 03:11:31,160
Speaker 2: a recent His most recent column is basically jd Vance

3345
03:11:31,240 --> 03:11:33,360
Speaker 2: is the only person who can save the right wing

3346
03:11:33,520 --> 03:11:37,080
Speaker 2: from fascism. And he's a weird dude who reads a

3347
03:11:37,120 --> 03:11:39,920
Speaker 2: lot of Hannah Arnt but absolutely does not understand her.

3348
03:11:40,480 --> 03:11:42,840
Speaker 2: But this article of his based on this meeting is

3349
03:11:42,920 --> 03:11:45,200
Speaker 2: useful for a couple of reasons. One that I'm sure

3350
03:11:45,240 --> 03:11:47,480
Speaker 2: Gary and I will talk about more detail later is

3351
03:11:48,240 --> 03:11:51,440
Speaker 2: Drere estimates in here that thirty to forty percent of

3352
03:11:51,600 --> 03:11:55,040
Speaker 2: the Zoomers who are working for the Republican Party in

3353
03:11:55,240 --> 03:12:00,920
Speaker 2: DC are Groyper's aka fans of Holocaust DENI are and true? True?

3354
03:12:01,360 --> 03:12:02,000
Speaker 5: Yeah? Is that?

3355
03:12:02,160 --> 03:12:04,800
Speaker 2: What is that what eugen z kids are saying for truth? Garrison?

3356
03:12:05,160 --> 03:12:07,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's okay, Okay, that's truth. I can't keep it

3357
03:12:07,920 --> 03:12:11,480
Speaker 5: a great track of that's shit anymore. Truth nuke Great,

3358
03:12:12,440 --> 03:12:15,680
Speaker 5: that makes sense, Duke. Sure, Yeah, they're all grapers, or

3359
03:12:15,760 --> 03:12:17,000
Speaker 5: at least forty percent are.

3360
03:12:17,360 --> 03:12:19,560
Speaker 2: Thirty thirty forty percent And I actually eat number one

3361
03:12:19,680 --> 03:12:22,800
Speaker 2: he Dreyer, He's not someone that I I think just

3362
03:12:22,920 --> 03:12:25,680
Speaker 2: makes up nonsense. I think he's like wrong because his

3363
03:12:25,800 --> 03:12:29,400
Speaker 2: brain is bad. But I I he provides some backup,

3364
03:12:29,480 --> 03:12:32,280
Speaker 2: including interviews and conversations he had for this, and this

3365
03:12:32,440 --> 03:12:35,480
Speaker 2: is consistent with other information coming out of the beltweigh.

3366
03:12:35,840 --> 03:12:38,600
Speaker 2: I think he's probably pretty close to the accurate number here, right,

3367
03:12:38,680 --> 03:12:41,760
Speaker 2: thirty to forty percent seems believable. Gare, I think you're

3368
03:12:41,800 --> 03:12:44,320
Speaker 2: more or less in the same area there, Garrison is

3369
03:12:44,360 --> 03:12:49,320
Speaker 2: thirty great, Yes, that's yes, that's that's what I meant. James,

3370
03:12:49,400 --> 03:12:55,760
Speaker 2: thank you for the most charitable reading of my sentence there. Now,

3371
03:12:55,879 --> 03:12:58,240
Speaker 2: the thing that I thought was the other thing that

3372
03:12:58,240 --> 03:13:00,560
Speaker 2: I thought was interesting from this article is because he's

3373
03:13:00,640 --> 03:13:03,880
Speaker 2: he's trying to talk about why the media, which he

3374
03:13:04,160 --> 03:13:06,760
Speaker 2: sees as an inherently left wing organization, even though we

3375
03:13:06,920 --> 03:13:08,959
Speaker 2: just talked about all of the carrying water for Jeffrey

3376
03:13:08,959 --> 03:13:11,119
Speaker 2: Epstein while attacking trans people, shit they did.

3377
03:13:11,760 --> 03:13:13,840
Speaker 4: It's it's it's it's a it's a right wing slash

3378
03:13:13,879 --> 03:13:16,560
Speaker 4: liberal organization. I would would, yeah, you have to, you

3379
03:13:16,600 --> 03:13:19,240
Speaker 4: have to get over some of his aspects of phrasing.

3380
03:13:19,320 --> 03:13:22,440
Speaker 4: But he's talking about why. One of some of the

3381
03:13:22,480 --> 03:13:25,840
Speaker 4: reasons why he thinks that the institutions in our society,

3382
03:13:26,360 --> 03:13:29,000
Speaker 4: like Zoomers do not trust them. And this is where

3383
03:13:29,040 --> 03:13:30,240
Speaker 4: I think he's on the money, because I think that

3384
03:13:30,320 --> 03:13:35,160
Speaker 4: the reason why so many gen Z Republicans, like Republican staffers,

3385
03:13:35,240 --> 03:13:38,160
Speaker 4: are gropers is what he gets at, which is that

3386
03:13:38,800 --> 03:13:40,560
Speaker 4: they're having the same problem as the rest of gen Z.

3387
03:13:40,680 --> 03:13:42,840
Speaker 4: They're just approaching it from a fascist standpoint. But they

3388
03:13:42,840 --> 03:13:45,240
Speaker 4: all are starting from the same point, which is I'm fucked.

3389
03:13:45,480 --> 03:13:48,320
Speaker 4: My generation is fucked. Yeah, there's no jobs, I'm not

3390
03:13:48,360 --> 03:13:50,560
Speaker 4: going to own a house. The climate is screwed.

3391
03:13:51,000 --> 03:13:53,760
Speaker 2: Like they're blaming the Jews for it, but they're they're

3392
03:13:53,840 --> 03:13:56,960
Speaker 2: starting at the same plan. It's school shooter politics, right,

3393
03:13:57,080 --> 03:14:00,480
Speaker 2: school shooter politics. Yes, some people understand this and then

3394
03:14:00,520 --> 03:14:02,800
Speaker 2: decide to do a school shooting. These guys decide to

3395
03:14:02,800 --> 03:14:05,520
Speaker 2: get jobs in Washington. Yes, but it's the same psychea

3396
03:14:05,680 --> 03:14:09,119
Speaker 2: behind the mechanism, exactly right. And I'm going to read

3397
03:14:09,120 --> 03:14:11,400
Speaker 2: a quote from Dreer's article and then we'll move past

3398
03:14:11,480 --> 03:14:13,720
Speaker 2: him to the primary thing I wanted to talk about here,

3399
03:14:14,080 --> 03:14:16,240
Speaker 2: and this is him talking about, you know, why these

3400
03:14:16,280 --> 03:14:19,000
Speaker 2: Zoomers don't trust the system and want to destroy everything.

3401
03:14:19,959 --> 03:14:21,920
Speaker 2: The institutions of our society as they see it, have

3402
03:14:22,080 --> 03:14:24,080
Speaker 2: lied and light and light and still lie. They still

3403
03:14:24,120 --> 03:14:26,199
Speaker 2: lie in many ways about race, refusing to be honest

3404
03:14:26,240 --> 03:14:28,440
Speaker 2: about black crime. They lie about COVID, They lied about

3405
03:14:28,480 --> 03:14:30,800
Speaker 2: males and females, and they force the insanity of gender

3406
03:14:30,840 --> 03:14:33,600
Speaker 2: ideology on us. All the military light about I Rock

3407
03:14:33,920 --> 03:14:37,560
Speaker 2: the universities is just the military, just the military rod.

3408
03:14:37,959 --> 03:14:41,320
Speaker 2: The universities embraced and enforced ideologies of lies. The Catholic

3409
03:14:41,360 --> 03:14:43,320
Speaker 2: churchs lie about sexual abuse and the connection to the

3410
03:14:43,320 --> 03:14:46,800
Speaker 2: prevalence of sexually active gay priests. Exactly is that the problem?

3411
03:14:46,959 --> 03:14:50,600
Speaker 2: Honeycoming institution. They lied about the benefits of mass migration

3412
03:14:50,720 --> 03:14:52,879
Speaker 2: and diversity. They lied about Trump and Russia. They sure

3413
03:14:52,959 --> 03:14:56,240
Speaker 2: didn't the political parties, in their corporate allies light about

3414
03:14:56,240 --> 03:14:59,000
Speaker 2: what globals we need for ordinary people. The media have lied,

3415
03:14:59,040 --> 03:15:01,640
Speaker 2: and they do about most things. This past week and

3416
03:15:01,760 --> 03:15:04,000
Speaker 2: everybody was talking about the new report in Blaze Media

3417
03:15:04,080 --> 03:15:06,760
Speaker 2: alleging that the mysterious January sixth pipe bomber was in

3418
03:15:06,800 --> 03:15:09,920
Speaker 2: fact a former Capitol Police officer, the implications being that

3419
03:15:10,000 --> 03:15:11,840
Speaker 2: the whole event was orchestrated by the deep state to

3420
03:15:11,879 --> 03:15:14,880
Speaker 2: discredit Donald Trump. Maybe mainstream media are busy trying to

3421
03:15:14,959 --> 03:15:17,160
Speaker 2: validate this reporting on their own. If The Blaze has

3422
03:15:17,200 --> 03:15:19,200
Speaker 2: this wrong, they're going to be suited to oblivion, and

3423
03:15:19,360 --> 03:15:21,800
Speaker 2: so will all the other media who amplify a false charge.

3424
03:15:22,000 --> 03:15:22,600
Speaker 2: I can tell you that.

3425
03:15:22,760 --> 03:15:22,800
Speaker 15: No.

3426
03:15:23,000 --> 03:15:24,640
Speaker 2: All I can tell you is that nobody in the

3427
03:15:24,760 --> 03:15:26,840
Speaker 2: MSM are talking about it as I write it, even

3428
03:15:26,879 --> 03:15:29,680
Speaker 2: though it is an explosive story. People were in fact

3429
03:15:29,760 --> 03:15:30,360
Speaker 2: talking about it.

3430
03:15:30,480 --> 03:15:30,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

3431
03:15:30,760 --> 03:15:34,520
Speaker 2: And in fact, before we could do this episode, The Bulwark,

3432
03:15:34,640 --> 03:15:38,800
Speaker 2: which has both a website with articles and is a

3433
03:15:38,879 --> 03:15:43,080
Speaker 2: podcast network, came up with an article by Will Sommer,

3434
03:15:43,160 --> 03:15:47,040
Speaker 2: who used to write for The Journalist. Yeah, good journalist.

3435
03:15:47,959 --> 03:15:49,600
Speaker 2: We took a bullying hat class together, I believe was

3436
03:15:49,640 --> 03:15:51,840
Speaker 2: the post that he wrote for. At the time.

3437
03:15:52,080 --> 03:15:54,480
Speaker 4: He was like one of the leading QAnon experts for years.

3438
03:15:54,720 --> 03:15:57,320
Speaker 5: Yeah you student Dady beast Wassing for a while.

3439
03:15:57,520 --> 03:15:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Daily Beast is I think where I knew him from.

3440
03:15:59,480 --> 03:16:01,520
Speaker 2: And he wrote a really good article called The Blaze's

3441
03:16:01,560 --> 03:16:06,800
Speaker 2: pipe on Bombshell appears to bomb and basically Dreer says here, well,

3442
03:16:06,840 --> 03:16:08,600
Speaker 2: if the bit if the Blaze is wrong, they'll be

3443
03:16:08,720 --> 03:16:11,320
Speaker 2: soon too oblivion. And the short answer is yeah, I

3444
03:16:11,320 --> 03:16:15,080
Speaker 2: think yeah, because they absolutely named this lady and the

3445
03:16:15,200 --> 03:16:18,160
Speaker 2: Capitol Police. To make a long story short, if you

3446
03:16:18,200 --> 03:16:20,920
Speaker 2: don't want to read the whole Blaze article, you can

3447
03:16:21,000 --> 03:16:22,760
Speaker 2: read the piece on the bulwark. You can read the

3448
03:16:22,800 --> 03:16:25,040
Speaker 2: sections of it, or you can type the link to

3449
03:16:25,080 --> 03:16:27,600
Speaker 2: the Blaze article into like archive dot org, so you

3450
03:16:27,640 --> 03:16:30,640
Speaker 2: don't give from traffic if you want. It's not good.

3451
03:16:32,200 --> 03:16:35,120
Speaker 2: It's the entire their entire claims that this particular woman.

3452
03:16:35,160 --> 03:16:37,200
Speaker 2: And I am not going to name this woman because

3453
03:16:37,240 --> 03:16:39,920
Speaker 2: I don't think she's the bomber, and I don't think

3454
03:16:40,000 --> 03:16:43,360
Speaker 2: you've got name people as being a terrorist if you're

3455
03:16:43,440 --> 03:16:47,360
Speaker 2: not sure they were. I will say that she's a woman,

3456
03:16:47,440 --> 03:16:49,800
Speaker 2: and that she's a Capitol Police officer, or at least

3457
03:16:50,400 --> 03:16:52,840
Speaker 2: now a former Capitol Police officer who is kind of

3458
03:16:53,040 --> 03:16:55,840
Speaker 2: insinuated by the Blaze and has been absolutely taken up

3459
03:16:55,840 --> 03:16:58,080
Speaker 2: by the right wing media immediately since to be a Now,

3460
03:16:58,280 --> 03:17:00,840
Speaker 2: she got poached by the CIA right and that's taken

3461
03:17:00,840 --> 03:17:02,960
Speaker 2: as like proof that she definitely did this. She's a

3462
03:17:03,040 --> 03:17:10,160
Speaker 2: security guard at the CIA's she's not in the CIA.

3463
03:17:10,640 --> 03:17:14,600
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, guys. She's a rent to cop for the CIA,

3464
03:17:14,959 --> 03:17:17,680
Speaker 2: which is let's be fair, probably the highest rung of

3465
03:17:17,720 --> 03:17:21,960
Speaker 2: rent to cop, Like, you know, you're taking a step

3466
03:17:22,040 --> 03:17:24,720
Speaker 2: up as a rent to cop, but she's not. She's

3467
03:17:24,800 --> 03:17:27,280
Speaker 2: not out there over throwing democracies yet.

3468
03:17:29,080 --> 03:17:29,440
Speaker 3: I don't know.

3469
03:17:29,520 --> 03:17:31,880
Speaker 2: Maybe they fast track you once you're let's see a

3470
03:17:32,040 --> 03:17:36,560
Speaker 2: security guard enough. But so the whole claim that the

3471
03:17:36,640 --> 03:17:40,000
Speaker 2: Blaze is staking the reputation on because if you're paying

3472
03:17:40,000 --> 03:17:43,560
Speaker 2: attention to like info wars, well not reputations their financial

3473
03:17:43,680 --> 03:17:46,520
Speaker 2: solvency because info wars currently owes like a billion and

3474
03:17:46,560 --> 03:17:50,280
Speaker 2: a half dollars for wrongly accusing people of having faked

3475
03:17:50,360 --> 03:17:54,280
Speaker 2: match shootings and the depths of their own children. So

3476
03:17:54,959 --> 03:17:57,160
Speaker 2: their argument that this lady has to be it is

3477
03:17:57,200 --> 03:17:59,080
Speaker 2: based on they have some old footage of her, like

3478
03:17:59,160 --> 03:18:02,040
Speaker 2: the jogging track, and there's a couple of clips from

3479
03:18:02,040 --> 03:18:04,440
Speaker 2: the drugsraph they showed. But they're claiming that this Gate

3480
03:18:04,560 --> 03:18:06,800
Speaker 2: analysis that they did between the Capitol bomber and this

3481
03:18:06,840 --> 03:18:08,840
Speaker 2: woman is based on footage of her that they are

3482
03:18:09,000 --> 03:18:12,400
Speaker 2: not publishing publicly. That's good so that you can verify it,

3483
03:18:12,680 --> 03:18:15,360
Speaker 2: But that they say is ninety four percent. And they

3484
03:18:15,480 --> 03:18:17,720
Speaker 2: talked to a Gate analysis expert and he did a

3485
03:18:17,800 --> 03:18:19,800
Speaker 2: personal Gate analysis and he said it had be more

3486
03:18:19,840 --> 03:18:23,080
Speaker 2: than ninety eight percent, so that means basically it definitely

3487
03:18:23,240 --> 03:18:26,840
Speaker 2: was her because gate analysis is for sure real and

3488
03:18:27,080 --> 03:18:30,560
Speaker 2: not one of the Every kind of forensic science is

3489
03:18:30,640 --> 03:18:31,039
Speaker 2: a lie.

3490
03:18:31,240 --> 03:18:36,320
Speaker 22: Lie be even very good for flying shoes alone convicting

3491
03:18:36,440 --> 03:18:39,280
Speaker 22: someone that we have fear of you data to show

3492
03:18:39,320 --> 03:18:42,279
Speaker 22: that you shouldn't choose your running shoes of gate analysis,

3493
03:18:42,400 --> 03:18:43,560
Speaker 22: let alone fucking.

3494
03:18:45,120 --> 03:18:47,280
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, there's many articles about how it may not

3495
03:18:47,360 --> 03:18:51,640
Speaker 2: be the future of the shoe industry. You should certainly

3496
03:18:51,760 --> 03:18:56,800
Speaker 2: shouldn't be hinging your publication's survival. I'm getting right that

3497
03:18:57,000 --> 03:18:58,280
Speaker 2: somebody was a bomber ba.

3498
03:19:00,440 --> 03:19:02,680
Speaker 4: This is just the latest attempt by the right to

3499
03:19:03,040 --> 03:19:06,360
Speaker 4: run this whole J six false flag conspiracy, which is

3500
03:19:06,400 --> 03:19:08,560
Speaker 4: picking up a lot of steam. Like a few months ago,

3501
03:19:08,680 --> 03:19:12,280
Speaker 4: the FBI released some information on how many agents they

3502
03:19:12,400 --> 03:19:16,840
Speaker 4: had in the area during January sixth, and this led

3503
03:19:17,000 --> 03:19:20,920
Speaker 4: many many conservative commentators to believe, Oh, look, the FBI

3504
03:19:20,959 --> 03:19:23,440
Speaker 4: had just admitted that it was their agents that actually

3505
03:19:23,480 --> 03:19:26,199
Speaker 4: started the riot and was most of the like rowdy,

3506
03:19:26,360 --> 03:19:30,600
Speaker 4: rambunctious crew members and no. The specific wording on the

3507
03:19:30,640 --> 03:19:33,560
Speaker 4: announcement or statement regarding the presence of agents at J

3508
03:19:33,720 --> 03:19:39,120
Speaker 4: six was after after the insurrection had already started and

3509
03:19:39,200 --> 03:19:42,520
Speaker 4: agents were sent there to keep it under control. That's

3510
03:19:42,520 --> 03:19:44,800
Speaker 4: what it was referring to. And Cash Hotel released a

3511
03:19:44,800 --> 03:19:48,000
Speaker 4: statement days later clarifying this, but of course that doesn't

3512
03:19:48,000 --> 03:19:50,360
Speaker 4: pick up nearly as much traction as the original claims were.

3513
03:19:50,879 --> 03:19:54,720
Speaker 4: So this whole game analysis thing is continuing on this,

3514
03:19:56,040 --> 03:19:58,600
Speaker 4: this whole conspiracy theory about how the FBI and the

3515
03:19:58,680 --> 03:20:02,880
Speaker 4: CIA staged all of January six to crush Trump and

3516
03:20:02,959 --> 03:20:07,000
Speaker 4: remove him from power, and probably warns of a future

3517
03:20:07,240 --> 03:20:11,680
Speaker 4: episode just on January sixth, conspiracy theories that have propagated

3518
03:20:11,720 --> 03:20:12,440
Speaker 4: the past few months.

3519
03:20:12,680 --> 03:20:18,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we probably, I mean, honestly, yes, but okay,

3520
03:20:18,200 --> 03:20:20,560
Speaker 2: to continue with this. So gain analysis was half of

3521
03:20:20,680 --> 03:20:22,960
Speaker 2: what their case lay on. The other half of the

3522
03:20:23,040 --> 03:20:26,640
Speaker 2: case was interviews with a couple of different people, primarily

3523
03:20:26,760 --> 03:20:31,520
Speaker 2: an FBI whistleblower, a former FBI agent who made a

3524
03:20:31,600 --> 03:20:36,120
Speaker 2: claim that, like, yeah, we tied the woman this officer's

3525
03:20:36,440 --> 03:20:39,760
Speaker 2: neighbor to a vehicle that like picked up the bomber.

3526
03:20:40,320 --> 03:20:42,960
Speaker 2: This is not based on publicly available information. This is

3527
03:20:43,000 --> 03:20:46,320
Speaker 2: based on the statements made by former FBI agent Kyle Seraphim,

3528
03:20:46,600 --> 03:20:49,520
Speaker 2: who is now a right wing media personality of course,

3529
03:20:49,920 --> 03:20:53,119
Speaker 2: and we're just trusting that this guy who is former

3530
03:20:53,240 --> 03:20:56,160
Speaker 2: FBI agent trying to rebrand himself as an influencer, is

3531
03:20:56,440 --> 03:20:59,560
Speaker 2: telling us the truth about all of this stuff that

3532
03:20:59,640 --> 03:21:02,560
Speaker 2: they're not presenting us with. This is this is kind

3533
03:21:02,600 --> 03:21:06,200
Speaker 2: of dressed up as ocent, but they're not actually providing

3534
03:21:06,240 --> 03:21:07,000
Speaker 2: you with the information.

3535
03:21:07,240 --> 03:21:09,279
Speaker 4: There's no actual open source intelligence.

3536
03:21:09,440 --> 03:21:12,280
Speaker 2: You can't work back from there from because they're hiding

3537
03:21:12,320 --> 03:21:13,000
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff.

3538
03:21:13,080 --> 03:21:13,240
Speaker 19: Right.

3539
03:21:13,720 --> 03:21:15,760
Speaker 2: There's a couple other things that Sommer notes and his

3540
03:21:15,959 --> 03:21:19,040
Speaker 2: article here to make their case against the former Capitol

3541
03:21:19,040 --> 03:21:22,560
Speaker 2: police officer. Baker was The author and co author Joseph H. Hannaman,

3542
03:21:22,680 --> 03:21:24,720
Speaker 2: focused on a comparison between the officer's gates, some of

3543
03:21:24,760 --> 03:21:26,760
Speaker 2: which was apparently captured in years old footage of her

3544
03:21:26,800 --> 03:21:29,320
Speaker 2: playing soccer, and footage of the pipeop such from the

3545
03:21:29,400 --> 03:21:32,199
Speaker 2: night of January fifth. Instead of using suspect footage released

3546
03:21:32,200 --> 03:21:34,320
Speaker 2: by the FBI, however, the Blaze claims it used footage

3547
03:21:34,360 --> 03:21:37,280
Speaker 2: from another source the article doesn't name. Critically, the Blaze

3548
03:21:37,320 --> 03:21:40,280
Speaker 2: didn't release an actual video comparison or significant details of

3549
03:21:40,320 --> 03:21:42,160
Speaker 2: the Gate analysis. Instead, it draws on the work of

3550
03:21:42,200 --> 03:21:44,720
Speaker 2: a man the Blaze called a video sleuth, a little

3551
03:21:44,760 --> 03:21:48,320
Speaker 2: known X user named Armatas whose online profile image is

3552
03:21:48,360 --> 03:21:50,720
Speaker 2: a picture from the nineteen ninety eight role playing video

3553
03:21:50,800 --> 03:21:51,920
Speaker 2: game Zeno Gears.

3554
03:21:52,320 --> 03:21:55,080
Speaker 4: Hell Yeah, Zeno Gears Great twigs Net video game.

3555
03:21:55,720 --> 03:21:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, You're not gonna get sued into oblivion for this shit.

3556
03:21:58,480 --> 03:21:59,840
Speaker 2: The Blaze, I'm proud of you.

3557
03:22:00,560 --> 03:22:05,440
Speaker 5: Don't believe the people who published vance Bolt's probably last

3558
03:22:05,520 --> 03:22:06,560
Speaker 5: interview would do this.

3559
03:22:07,000 --> 03:22:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, shocking shocking stuff. Now, to be again totally fair here,

3560
03:22:13,400 --> 03:22:15,920
Speaker 2: Dreyer does not treat this with any sort of critical

3561
03:22:16,000 --> 03:22:19,400
Speaker 2: thought whatsoever. But actually a bunch of the people critiquing

3562
03:22:19,480 --> 03:22:22,720
Speaker 2: this have been on the right, and I where I

3563
03:22:22,879 --> 03:22:24,960
Speaker 2: partially agree with Drer's I think it's a mistake that

3564
03:22:25,280 --> 03:22:28,840
Speaker 2: the mainstream media has not dedicated more effort to busting

3565
03:22:28,920 --> 03:22:31,760
Speaker 2: this immediately and to pointing out the weaknesses and stuff

3566
03:22:31,840 --> 03:22:34,680
Speaker 2: like gait analysis immediately out the gate. So it does

3567
03:22:34,800 --> 03:22:37,640
Speaker 2: kind of sound like they're ignoring it. I think they're largely.

3568
03:22:37,720 --> 03:22:39,880
Speaker 2: I think largely this isn't getting covered because it's so

3569
03:22:40,160 --> 03:22:43,400
Speaker 2: shady and bad and because it's dangerous to spread these

3570
03:22:43,520 --> 03:22:44,920
Speaker 2: kinds of claims about a person.

3571
03:22:45,080 --> 03:22:47,480
Speaker 4: Sure, I mean, yeah, it's like it's like the Blaze.

3572
03:22:48,000 --> 03:22:51,320
Speaker 2: It's not even Fox News, right, there's already law enforcement

3573
03:22:51,360 --> 03:22:53,800
Speaker 2: station outside this woman's house because of the number of

3574
03:22:53,879 --> 03:22:58,080
Speaker 2: threats that you see. Yeah right, like like again, she

3575
03:22:58,160 --> 03:22:59,840
Speaker 2: has ample claims for damages here.

3576
03:23:00,320 --> 03:23:00,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

3577
03:23:01,040 --> 03:23:01,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

3578
03:23:01,320 --> 03:23:03,680
Speaker 2: So a couple of the people who have come after,

3579
03:23:03,879 --> 03:23:05,640
Speaker 2: one of them is after this article. One of them

3580
03:23:05,720 --> 03:23:08,880
Speaker 2: is Julie Kelly, who's a right wing media figure and

3581
03:23:09,080 --> 03:23:13,840
Speaker 2: is a major force in the January sixth conspiracy theory world.

3582
03:23:14,879 --> 03:23:17,360
Speaker 2: And she is largely attacking the Blaze because she's doing

3583
03:23:17,440 --> 03:23:20,080
Speaker 2: her own investigation into the who did the pipe bombing? Right,

3584
03:23:20,560 --> 03:23:23,119
Speaker 2: So she's she's pointed out some very obvious problems. Why

3585
03:23:23,160 --> 03:23:26,240
Speaker 2: don't you post that other video you have, right, why

3586
03:23:26,280 --> 03:23:28,440
Speaker 2: don't you show the evidence of the gate analysis?

3587
03:23:28,520 --> 03:23:28,640
Speaker 15: Right?

3588
03:23:28,720 --> 03:23:31,560
Speaker 2: So she she's been attacking this, as has Joe Hoft,

3589
03:23:31,600 --> 03:23:35,640
Speaker 2: who's co founder of the Gateway Pundit. Hell yeah, oh god, yeah,

3590
03:23:36,520 --> 03:23:39,000
Speaker 2: great stuff. So there's there's people on the right talking

3591
03:23:39,080 --> 03:23:41,680
Speaker 2: shit about this stuff. It's worth noting that when this

3592
03:23:41,879 --> 03:23:46,200
Speaker 2: initially came out, Glenn Beck spent days beforehand hyping it

3593
03:23:46,320 --> 03:23:48,959
Speaker 2: up and talking about how like this is the biggest

3594
03:23:49,280 --> 03:23:51,280
Speaker 2: I think that he literally called it like the biggest

3595
03:23:51,400 --> 03:23:55,040
Speaker 2: conspiracy in American history maybe, which is like Jesus Christ,

3596
03:23:55,200 --> 03:23:56,959
Speaker 2: dream smaller, Come on, dude.

3597
03:23:57,520 --> 03:23:57,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

3598
03:23:58,120 --> 03:24:01,600
Speaker 2: But within like a day of the article actually coming out,

3599
03:24:01,720 --> 03:24:07,040
Speaker 2: the Blaze added an editor's note, which is pretty damning.

3600
03:24:07,560 --> 03:24:09,640
Speaker 2: An earlier version of this story said it appeared the

3601
03:24:09,680 --> 03:24:13,880
Speaker 2: bombing suspect interacted with police after publication. A congressional investigator

3602
03:24:13,920 --> 03:24:15,760
Speaker 2: with access to a camera angle that has not been

3603
03:24:15,800 --> 03:24:17,800
Speaker 2: made public reached out and told Blaze News a person

3604
03:24:17,840 --> 03:24:20,400
Speaker 2: similarly attired to the suspected bomber who comes out of

3605
03:24:20,440 --> 03:24:22,480
Speaker 2: the alley and crosses the street towards the two Capitol

3606
03:24:22,520 --> 03:24:24,920
Speaker 2: police vehicles is not the same person as the hoodie

3607
03:24:24,920 --> 03:24:27,920
Speaker 2: clad pipe bom suspect walking down the alley just minutes earlier. Amazing,

3608
03:24:27,920 --> 03:24:30,279
Speaker 2: wouldn't there gata analysis have shown.

3609
03:24:30,040 --> 03:24:31,560
Speaker 3: That amazing work.

3610
03:24:32,480 --> 03:24:34,880
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you have known that if gata analysis?

3611
03:24:34,959 --> 03:24:37,480
Speaker 4: This almost like you can't rely on GAINA analysis to

3612
03:24:37,520 --> 03:24:38,439
Speaker 4: identified individuals.

3613
03:24:38,520 --> 03:24:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like this is all bullshit. Anyway. I

3614
03:24:41,520 --> 03:24:45,600
Speaker 2: largely did this just because fuck you, Rod Dreer. I like,

3615
03:24:45,959 --> 03:24:49,160
Speaker 2: we covered this stupid ass story. Will Sommer covered this

3616
03:24:49,200 --> 03:24:52,240
Speaker 2: stupid ass story and we made fun of it. Thank you, Will,

3617
03:24:52,720 --> 03:24:55,520
Speaker 2: thank you the bulwark. This is what I've got. I've done.

3618
03:24:56,000 --> 03:24:58,960
Speaker 4: That Dreyer piece is also crazy and just in surreal.

3619
03:24:59,400 --> 03:25:01,440
Speaker 4: Surreal beca as of how much of it is like

3620
03:25:01,920 --> 03:25:04,440
Speaker 4: talking about how we as in the right, needs to

3621
03:25:04,560 --> 03:25:10,800
Speaker 4: like re recalibrate, how we discuss the reality of like

3622
03:25:10,959 --> 03:25:14,600
Speaker 4: complete Jewish control over our media, and how it's fine

3623
03:25:14,680 --> 03:25:19,600
Speaker 4: actually because a whole bunch of various like ethnicities excel

3624
03:25:19,640 --> 03:25:21,480
Speaker 4: in various skills and that's not weird. So it's not

3625
03:25:21,640 --> 03:25:24,360
Speaker 4: weird that Jews control all the media. We shouldn't be

3626
03:25:24,400 --> 03:25:27,760
Speaker 4: worried about this. And how how much of that piece

3627
03:25:27,800 --> 03:25:29,280
Speaker 4: feels like it could have been written in like the

3628
03:25:29,400 --> 03:25:36,120
Speaker 4: nineteen twenties. Yes, it's a crazy time. Capsule ooks yep. Anyway,

3629
03:25:36,200 --> 03:25:38,320
Speaker 4: that's my opinions on the tree or.

3630
03:25:38,320 --> 03:25:42,440
Speaker 3: Substack piece anti semitism, for anti semitism, it's a great time.

3631
03:25:43,360 --> 03:25:46,039
Speaker 4: I mean sure, I mean you could have I would

3632
03:25:46,040 --> 03:25:49,280
Speaker 4: have a slightly more complicated analysis of the piece than

3633
03:25:49,400 --> 03:25:52,840
Speaker 4: just anti semitism, because true approaches that issue really oddly.

3634
03:25:52,920 --> 03:25:56,160
Speaker 4: I don't think he's antisemitic. Frankly, I don't think he

3635
03:25:56,280 --> 03:25:57,400
Speaker 4: thinks he's anti semitic.

3636
03:25:57,600 --> 03:25:59,520
Speaker 3: I don't think he thinks he is yeah, but it's

3637
03:25:59,640 --> 03:26:03,600
Speaker 3: like I think that there's a difference between what he

3638
03:26:03,800 --> 03:26:05,800
Speaker 3: believes about himself of what he's trying to do and

3639
03:26:05,920 --> 03:26:06,640
Speaker 3: what he is doing.

3640
03:26:06,879 --> 03:26:09,760
Speaker 4: And sure, I mean I mean even even in the

3641
03:26:09,800 --> 03:26:11,320
Speaker 4: way that the article is written, and like a lot

3642
03:26:11,360 --> 03:26:14,400
Speaker 4: lot of it is yeah, I mean attacking a certain

3643
03:26:14,440 --> 03:26:15,840
Speaker 4: type of anti Semitism on the right.

3644
03:26:16,800 --> 03:26:19,039
Speaker 2: Well, you guys know what Rod Dreyer would hate other

3645
03:26:19,160 --> 03:26:21,720
Speaker 2: than an editor, I think he would.

3646
03:26:21,560 --> 03:26:22,800
Speaker 3: Actually love some ass.

3647
03:26:38,160 --> 03:26:42,600
Speaker 5: All right, we are back and uh, we're gonna do

3648
03:26:42,720 --> 03:26:45,400
Speaker 5: some very brief immigration stuff and then we will play

3649
03:26:45,440 --> 03:26:47,160
Speaker 5: the song you have all been waiting for and be

3650
03:26:47,240 --> 03:26:51,840
Speaker 5: able to talk to you. The United States Conference of

3651
03:26:52,120 --> 03:26:57,000
Speaker 5: Catholic Bishops based based based thank you get issue the

3652
03:26:57,040 --> 03:27:00,720
Speaker 5: statement this week. It's about the strongest the nation you're

3653
03:27:00,800 --> 03:27:04,680
Speaker 5: going to see from this entity of anything in a

3654
03:27:04,720 --> 03:27:05,600
Speaker 5: political realm. Right.

3655
03:27:05,720 --> 03:27:07,520
Speaker 4: HOPEFULLYO has not been solved on this issue.

3656
03:27:07,800 --> 03:27:11,160
Speaker 5: No, yeah, he is unlike we saw it, like with

3657
03:27:11,280 --> 03:27:14,720
Speaker 5: Bishop farm in San Diego, right, like who himself arrived

3658
03:27:14,840 --> 03:27:17,680
Speaker 5: as in what they call an unaccompanied minor, right, a child,

3659
03:27:17,760 --> 03:27:20,760
Speaker 5: a refugee. I'm going to read from the statement quote,

3660
03:27:20,920 --> 03:27:23,160
Speaker 5: we are disturbed when we see among our people a

3661
03:27:23,240 --> 03:27:26,320
Speaker 5: climate of fear and anxiety around questions of profiling and

3662
03:27:26,360 --> 03:27:29,520
Speaker 5: immigration enforcement. We are saddened by the state of contemporary

3663
03:27:29,520 --> 03:27:32,600
Speaker 5: debate and the valification of migrants. We are concerned about

3664
03:27:32,640 --> 03:27:35,039
Speaker 5: the conditions in detention centers and the lack of access

3665
03:27:35,080 --> 03:27:38,160
Speaker 5: to pastoral care. We lament that some immigrants in the

3666
03:27:38,280 --> 03:27:41,320
Speaker 5: United States have arbitrarily lost their legal status. We are

3667
03:27:41,360 --> 03:27:44,000
Speaker 5: troubled by threats against the sanctity of houses of worship

3668
03:27:44,080 --> 03:27:47,000
Speaker 5: and a special nature of hospitals and schools. We are

3669
03:27:47,160 --> 03:27:50,000
Speaker 5: grieved when we meet parents who fear being detained when

3670
03:27:50,040 --> 03:27:52,440
Speaker 5: taking their children to school, when we try to console

3671
03:27:52,520 --> 03:27:55,160
Speaker 5: family members who have already been separated from their loved ones.

3672
03:27:56,080 --> 03:28:00,080
Speaker 3: This isn't the usual based, based, based, based, based, based, based.

3673
03:28:00,240 --> 03:28:04,240
Speaker 5: And has got to got a crucifix. I guess they

3674
03:28:04,280 --> 03:28:06,480
Speaker 5: haven't done this for like twelve years. Right last time

3675
03:28:06,520 --> 03:28:09,720
Speaker 5: they did it about contraception, saying a Catholic church is

3676
03:28:10,680 --> 03:28:13,200
Speaker 5: an organization that I agree with all the time. If

3677
03:28:13,200 --> 03:28:15,280
Speaker 5: it's not, it's one that I disagree with most of

3678
03:28:15,360 --> 03:28:18,640
Speaker 5: the time. But I still think this is important, right, Like,

3679
03:28:18,760 --> 03:28:24,440
Speaker 5: this is an organization which has millions of followers in

3680
03:28:24,440 --> 03:28:27,480
Speaker 5: the United States, many many Catholics around the world.

3681
03:28:27,360 --> 03:28:28,120
Speaker 3: A lot of Catholics.

3682
03:28:28,480 --> 03:28:30,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is an organization which therefore we should pay

3683
03:28:30,840 --> 03:28:35,200
Speaker 5: attention to, right, And I think it is telling that

3684
03:28:35,879 --> 03:28:38,280
Speaker 5: the work pope has not stopped with this and that

3685
03:28:38,520 --> 03:28:41,080
Speaker 5: it seems like the vast mediority of bishops in the

3686
03:28:41,160 --> 03:28:42,879
Speaker 5: United States are on his side.

3687
03:28:43,040 --> 03:28:43,920
Speaker 11: No, it's it's it is.

3688
03:28:44,040 --> 03:28:46,359
Speaker 4: It is pretty funny we have like a never Trumper,

3689
03:28:46,959 --> 03:28:49,959
Speaker 4: nominally conservative, woke pope and the fact that he will

3690
03:28:50,000 --> 03:28:52,120
Speaker 4: not blackdown on this issue and has has actually has

3691
03:28:52,320 --> 03:28:54,360
Speaker 4: a number of statements on this the past the past

3692
03:28:54,440 --> 03:28:57,160
Speaker 4: few weeks, and not softly worded statements either.

3693
03:28:57,680 --> 03:29:01,480
Speaker 2: Catholic priests have also been reasonably good on this issue.

3694
03:29:01,760 --> 03:29:05,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's important, especially because of how much these like

3695
03:29:05,520 --> 03:29:09,440
Speaker 4: weird like fascist friendly treads are using Catholicism as like

3696
03:29:09,520 --> 03:29:10,840
Speaker 4: a fashion statement.

3697
03:29:11,280 --> 03:29:13,000
Speaker 3: And Jdvans included.

3698
03:29:12,720 --> 03:29:14,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say, our vice president, have.

3699
03:29:14,600 --> 03:29:18,760
Speaker 4: The actual church be like frity freaked out by that.

3700
03:29:19,879 --> 03:29:20,680
Speaker 5: I think is good.

3701
03:29:20,720 --> 03:29:22,360
Speaker 4: It'd be worth if they were leaning into it, which

3702
03:29:22,440 --> 03:29:27,440
Speaker 4: certainly some cardinals like want when they were doing their selection.

3703
03:29:27,600 --> 03:29:30,160
Speaker 5: But if you look at the votes in this issue, right,

3704
03:29:30,240 --> 03:29:32,040
Speaker 5: like two hundred and sixteen votes in favor of five

3705
03:29:32,080 --> 03:29:35,440
Speaker 5: against and three abstentions. So among bishops, which is to

3706
03:29:35,480 --> 03:29:38,840
Speaker 5: sink from cardinals like this is this is almost universal, right,

3707
03:29:38,959 --> 03:29:42,680
Speaker 5: and yet given that our vice president has made being

3708
03:29:42,959 --> 03:29:46,120
Speaker 5: an adult convert to Catholicism a large part of his

3709
03:29:46,240 --> 03:29:50,840
Speaker 5: personality embarrassing. Yeah, this is like, it is remarkable. It's

3710
03:29:50,840 --> 03:29:54,200
Speaker 5: worth paying attention to. Also, I think when I talk

3711
03:29:54,320 --> 03:29:56,840
Speaker 5: to migrants specifically, like when I was in the Darien

3712
03:29:56,959 --> 03:30:00,400
Speaker 5: Gap talking to migrants, their faith is massively important to

3713
03:30:00,480 --> 03:30:03,680
Speaker 5: so many and a lot of people, especially coming from

3714
03:30:04,120 --> 03:30:07,560
Speaker 5: South Central America, will be Catholic, right, and that is

3715
03:30:07,640 --> 03:30:10,000
Speaker 5: what propels them through, and so for them to feel

3716
03:30:10,040 --> 03:30:12,680
Speaker 5: that the Church has not abandoned them, it is important

3717
03:30:12,680 --> 03:30:15,199
Speaker 5: to them. Yeah. The thing when I speak to people

3718
03:30:15,320 --> 03:30:18,080
Speaker 5: now who are here, the thing that they want more

3719
03:30:18,160 --> 03:30:21,320
Speaker 5: than anything is a priest to come to their hearing,

3720
03:30:21,680 --> 03:30:24,680
Speaker 5: to their meeting with them. That is what makes them

3721
03:30:24,760 --> 03:30:27,520
Speaker 5: feel safe. And so I am happy that the Church

3722
03:30:27,680 --> 03:30:29,080
Speaker 5: is continuing to try and make them.

3723
03:30:28,959 --> 03:30:31,840
Speaker 2: Feel safe, because yeah, what what else are you going

3724
03:30:31,920 --> 03:30:32,040
Speaker 2: to do?

3725
03:30:32,840 --> 03:30:33,000
Speaker 21: Right?

3726
03:30:33,200 --> 03:30:35,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, well we've we're trying everything else, and it's not worth.

3727
03:30:35,760 --> 03:30:39,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I defer to what will make the person being

3728
03:30:39,800 --> 03:30:43,320
Speaker 2: victimized feel better and basically all instances, and if it's

3729
03:30:43,320 --> 03:30:45,960
Speaker 2: having a priest along, then I'm glad the priest is there.

3730
03:30:46,360 --> 03:30:48,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I am am happy that this is something

3731
03:30:48,840 --> 03:30:51,000
Speaker 5: that can make them feel safer because, you.

3732
03:30:51,040 --> 03:30:53,000
Speaker 3: Know, critical support to the Catholic Church.

3733
03:30:53,080 --> 03:30:55,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, very critical.

3734
03:30:55,440 --> 03:30:58,640
Speaker 3: Well, the critical part I think. I think the other

3735
03:30:58,720 --> 03:31:01,960
Speaker 3: thing is worth noting that the same conference also voted

3736
03:31:02,200 --> 03:31:06,000
Speaker 3: to have an official ban on any gender affirming Catholic hospitals,

3737
03:31:06,040 --> 03:31:08,600
Speaker 3: which is like one in seven of all people in

3738
03:31:08,640 --> 03:31:12,320
Speaker 3: the US get their care at Catholic hospitals because there's

3739
03:31:12,320 --> 03:31:16,400
Speaker 3: a million of them, so critical. Yeah, yeah, like lots

3740
03:31:16,480 --> 03:31:21,160
Speaker 3: of they're not Yeah, look there they are no Protestants. Okay.

3741
03:31:21,360 --> 03:31:24,360
Speaker 4: It does feel bad to have so much Catholic praise

3742
03:31:24,400 --> 03:31:28,160
Speaker 4: on the show, but you know, I will swallow my

3743
03:31:28,280 --> 03:31:29,280
Speaker 4: Protestant prizes.

3744
03:31:29,400 --> 03:31:33,000
Speaker 5: Yeah. I'm neither a Catholic nor Protestant, but I'm glad

3745
03:31:33,560 --> 03:31:34,279
Speaker 5: this is happening.

3746
03:31:34,320 --> 03:31:36,600
Speaker 3: You're British, yes, so you.

3747
03:31:40,800 --> 03:31:42,400
Speaker 5: Do we do Catholicism without popes.

3748
03:31:42,680 --> 03:31:44,800
Speaker 2: I think we should have popes without Catholicism.

3749
03:31:44,920 --> 03:31:45,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

3750
03:31:45,320 --> 03:31:48,199
Speaker 4: See that's interesting, Robert, that's an interesting idea.

3751
03:31:48,760 --> 03:31:52,800
Speaker 2: That's Discordianism. Oh yeah, well, yeah, that's kind of.

3752
03:31:52,800 --> 03:31:55,760
Speaker 4: The least interesting version, a real kind of non Catholic

3753
03:31:55,920 --> 03:31:59,320
Speaker 4: like clerical class. Anyway, I'm gonna put this down in

3754
03:31:59,400 --> 03:32:03,920
Speaker 4: my my I FI novel Volder, you know is a.

3755
03:32:04,040 --> 03:32:08,320
Speaker 5: Forum of you know, just amount Adam just just just

3756
03:32:08,440 --> 03:32:13,039
Speaker 5: gradually reduced the volume we're going to get. We're back

3757
03:32:13,120 --> 03:32:15,640
Speaker 5: to Immigocehen. We did learn this week that the Department

3758
03:32:15,680 --> 03:32:19,400
Speaker 5: of Home ad Security secretly and illegally kept domestic data

3759
03:32:19,480 --> 03:32:23,560
Speaker 5: on nine hundred Chicago Land residents under Biden, just in

3760
03:32:23,640 --> 03:32:26,160
Speaker 5: case anyone was wondering what they were doing before people

3761
03:32:26,200 --> 03:32:30,760
Speaker 5: started paying attention to them. They also quote irrevocably destroyed

3762
03:32:30,840 --> 03:32:33,560
Speaker 5: video from inside a broad View, which is an ice

3763
03:32:33,640 --> 03:32:37,880
Speaker 5: tendin facility in Chicago Land. Yeah, of course I'm not

3764
03:32:38,240 --> 03:32:40,960
Speaker 5: shocked by that. I will say, like I would have

3765
03:32:41,000 --> 03:32:43,119
Speaker 5: been shocked if that had happened under a previous administration.

3766
03:32:43,240 --> 03:32:45,040
Speaker 5: Put it that way, like, it's not massively out of

3767
03:32:45,160 --> 03:32:47,800
Speaker 5: character for them to be incompetent at soaring and this

3768
03:32:47,959 --> 03:32:52,680
Speaker 5: kind of thing. And Ken Paxton has attempted to sue

3769
03:32:52,800 --> 03:32:56,880
Speaker 5: Harris County, a place in Texas, for donating not to

3770
03:32:57,000 --> 03:33:01,959
Speaker 5: nonprofits to provide a legal aid to migrants. He has

3771
03:33:02,080 --> 03:33:05,560
Speaker 5: some justification to this, which is theodocorous. But I'm just

3772
03:33:05,640 --> 03:33:08,959
Speaker 5: going to name a few of the NGOs here Gals

3773
03:33:09,000 --> 03:33:13,080
Speaker 5: and Houston Immigrant Representation Project, Kids in Needed Defense, Justice

3774
03:33:13,080 --> 03:33:19,640
Speaker 5: for All Immigrants, but Disis and Baker Ripley. Yeah, this does,

3775
03:33:20,240 --> 03:33:23,840
Speaker 5: I think show part of the strategy which we saw

3776
03:33:24,040 --> 03:33:26,840
Speaker 5: and we have seen since twenty eighteen. Right like you'll

3777
03:33:26,879 --> 03:33:29,560
Speaker 5: remember that let's of Engio volunteers and twenty eighteen were

3778
03:33:29,560 --> 03:33:31,880
Speaker 5: placed on a watch list, as were many journalists for

3779
03:33:31,959 --> 03:33:36,400
Speaker 5: crossing to cover the migrant caravan. But this idea that

3780
03:33:36,720 --> 03:33:41,160
Speaker 5: the NGOs are quote aiding and a vetting is a

3781
03:33:41,200 --> 03:33:44,440
Speaker 5: phrase you always see, right like that that somehow people

3782
03:33:44,480 --> 03:33:47,760
Speaker 5: would come here if it wasn't for NGOs. Often this

3783
03:33:47,879 --> 03:33:50,879
Speaker 5: takes on a specific form of blaming one NGO, which

3784
03:33:50,959 --> 03:33:54,840
Speaker 5: is highest orus Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society rate, and.

3785
03:33:54,920 --> 03:33:57,440
Speaker 2: We sire one guess as to why they blame that one.

3786
03:33:57,680 --> 03:34:01,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like repeat guest of the show Anti Semitism

3787
03:34:01,680 --> 03:34:05,320
Speaker 5: coming back again, which resulted directly in the in the

3788
03:34:05,360 --> 03:34:08,080
Speaker 5: Tree of Life shooting, right like, this is of that

3789
03:34:08,280 --> 03:34:11,120
Speaker 5: same intellectual family of thought. I guess that is what

3790
03:34:11,240 --> 03:34:14,080
Speaker 5: I will say as Ludacris. People come here because their

3791
03:34:14,160 --> 03:34:18,920
Speaker 5: lives are not Liverpool, where they're at. That's what I

3792
03:34:18,959 --> 03:34:20,279
Speaker 5: got played, play the song.

3793
03:34:24,240 --> 03:34:33,000
Speaker 3: Rocky jazz, righty jazz, Sorry, rocky jazz.

3794
03:34:33,640 --> 03:34:34,279
Speaker 23: Rocky.

3795
03:34:36,640 --> 03:34:41,200
Speaker 3: All right, So there is actually a surprising amount of

3796
03:34:41,520 --> 03:34:45,160
Speaker 3: tariff news. All right, the tariff freebate checks. Are we

3797
03:34:45,320 --> 03:34:50,400
Speaker 3: getting terrorff freebate checks? I think probably not? So what

3798
03:34:50,640 --> 03:34:53,560
Speaker 3: is this? Trump started talking about this on November eighth

3799
03:34:53,840 --> 03:35:00,360
Speaker 3: on True Social USA. Today he truthed, she used to

3800
03:35:00,400 --> 03:35:03,720
Speaker 3: call it truth. I am recommending to Senate Republicans that

3801
03:35:03,760 --> 03:35:05,920
Speaker 3: the hundreds of billions of dollars is the hundreds of

3802
03:35:05,959 --> 03:35:09,400
Speaker 3: billions are capitalized for reasons that are baffling, currently being

3803
03:35:09,520 --> 03:35:13,160
Speaker 3: sent to money sucking insurance companies in order to save

3804
03:35:13,280 --> 03:35:17,080
Speaker 3: the bad healthcare provided by Obamacare be directly sent to

3805
03:35:17,320 --> 03:35:19,600
Speaker 3: the people so that they can purchase their own healthcare,

3806
03:35:19,959 --> 03:35:24,200
Speaker 3: their own much better health care. And so originally this

3807
03:35:24,360 --> 03:35:26,160
Speaker 3: was going to be like a two thousand dollars thing

3808
03:35:26,240 --> 03:35:29,720
Speaker 3: to your health savings account from tariff proceeds or something.

3809
03:35:30,240 --> 03:35:33,040
Speaker 3: And then the second time he stopped talking about the

3810
03:35:33,040 --> 03:35:34,640
Speaker 3: health savings account stuff, and he was just saying a

3811
03:35:34,720 --> 03:35:38,320
Speaker 3: two thousand dollars check the USA today. The piece notes

3812
03:35:38,360 --> 03:35:40,880
Speaker 3: that the Secretary of the Treasury, Scott Bessett, said and

3813
03:35:40,959 --> 03:35:44,760
Speaker 3: ABC News on November ninth, which was Sunday, that trust

3814
03:35:45,000 --> 03:35:48,600
Speaker 3: proposed tariff dividend could come in a lot of forms,

3815
03:35:48,680 --> 03:35:51,040
Speaker 3: adding it could just be the tax decreases that we

3816
03:35:51,120 --> 03:35:53,880
Speaker 3: are seeing on the president's agenda. No tax on tips,

3817
03:35:53,959 --> 03:35:57,000
Speaker 3: no tax in overtime, no taxes, social Security, deductibility of

3818
03:35:57,040 --> 03:36:01,000
Speaker 3: auto loans. He said, so those are subtance ancial deductions

3819
03:36:01,000 --> 03:36:04,240
Speaker 3: that are being financed to the tax bill. So he

3820
03:36:04,280 --> 03:36:07,760
Speaker 3: apparently like hadn't heard any of this is what it

3821
03:36:07,840 --> 03:36:11,120
Speaker 3: seems like. And then a few days later this was

3822
03:36:11,200 --> 03:36:15,240
Speaker 3: this was yesterday. On Wednesday the twelfth, Caroline Levitt used

3823
03:36:15,280 --> 03:36:19,440
Speaker 3: the ghoulish press secretary said that Trump is quote committed

3824
03:36:19,520 --> 03:36:22,600
Speaker 3: to the payments, So who knows. You can't call her

3825
03:36:22,720 --> 03:36:25,280
Speaker 3: ghoulish just because she's a twenty seven year old woman

3826
03:36:25,280 --> 03:36:28,720
Speaker 3: who looks like that, Yeah, that's not cool. Hey, you

3827
03:36:28,720 --> 03:36:30,400
Speaker 3: know what, we're not gonna're going We're not gonna do this.

3828
03:36:30,480 --> 03:36:33,480
Speaker 3: But she she is ghoulish, not because she looks like

3829
03:36:33,560 --> 03:36:35,120
Speaker 3: she's forty and she's just.

3830
03:36:36,760 --> 03:36:37,760
Speaker 2: Like a ghoul, but like.

3831
03:36:39,280 --> 03:36:41,879
Speaker 3: No, but like she also acts like a ghoul constantly,

3832
03:36:41,959 --> 03:36:44,000
Speaker 3: which is the actual thing that she is ghoulish for.

3833
03:36:44,600 --> 03:36:48,160
Speaker 4: Right, Every press secretary I've ever seen has made me

3834
03:36:48,440 --> 03:36:53,040
Speaker 4: so mad, Like the job of a press secretary is infuriating.

3835
03:36:53,360 --> 03:36:55,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, remember the sake bombs.

3836
03:36:55,840 --> 03:36:58,760
Speaker 3: Well, also like they've never been good. They also did

3837
03:36:58,920 --> 03:37:01,160
Speaker 3: used to be more normal than this, Like they didn't

3838
03:37:01,200 --> 03:37:02,879
Speaker 3: used to be this unhinted.

3839
03:37:03,640 --> 03:37:05,760
Speaker 5: Didn't bring him back. I feel like like like the

3840
03:37:05,840 --> 03:37:08,000
Speaker 5: first Trump had been moved a min a certain way.

3841
03:37:09,879 --> 03:37:13,520
Speaker 3: Too. It's just awful, terrible stuff. Didn't used to be

3842
03:37:13,680 --> 03:37:15,440
Speaker 3: like this. What are the few things I'll ever say

3843
03:37:15,440 --> 03:37:18,040
Speaker 3: that anyway? As you were saying, yeah, so so, she

3844
03:37:18,160 --> 03:37:21,040
Speaker 3: said that Trump is committed to the payments. I again,

3845
03:37:21,440 --> 03:37:25,160
Speaker 3: I don't think we're gonna see this, probably not definitely,

3846
03:37:25,240 --> 03:37:28,440
Speaker 3: don't plan on having x two thousand dollars. I think

3847
03:37:28,520 --> 03:37:31,200
Speaker 3: he's I think he's committed to the payments as much

3848
03:37:31,200 --> 03:37:33,680
Speaker 3: as he is his like first or second wife. Yeah,

3849
03:37:33,720 --> 03:37:36,840
Speaker 3: which is not much so. The second, the second incredibly

3850
03:37:36,879 --> 03:37:40,520
Speaker 3: important piece of tariff news is the pasta tariffs. The

3851
03:37:40,560 --> 03:37:46,840
Speaker 3: Department of Commerce seven percent pasta tariffs on imported Italian pasta.

3852
03:37:49,240 --> 03:37:49,720
Speaker 2: Garrison.

3853
03:37:50,680 --> 03:37:51,560
Speaker 3: The first tariff.

3854
03:37:53,280 --> 03:37:56,280
Speaker 2: It's still available. You can still get your mac.

3855
03:37:56,640 --> 03:37:56,800
Speaker 5: You know.

3856
03:37:57,080 --> 03:37:57,560
Speaker 2: It's okay.

3857
03:37:58,560 --> 03:38:01,320
Speaker 3: As as as the Guardian that most pasta in the

3858
03:38:01,520 --> 03:38:04,119
Speaker 3: US is made in the US, so it's not really

3859
03:38:04,160 --> 03:38:07,680
Speaker 3: affected by those cares. Yeah, hold hold on, let me

3860
03:38:07,760 --> 03:38:09,720
Speaker 3: let me allow me to finish the sentence hears in,

3861
03:38:09,879 --> 03:38:16,360
Speaker 3: I will address t hu. So it's it's mostly just gluten.

3862
03:38:16,520 --> 03:38:20,840
Speaker 3: It's mostly gluten free pasta. And also like imported fancy pasta,

3863
03:38:20,920 --> 03:38:23,520
Speaker 3: which is like nice little pasta, Well fancy is a

3864
03:38:23,560 --> 03:38:26,080
Speaker 3: bit of okay, it's like two dollars more.

3865
03:38:26,160 --> 03:38:29,680
Speaker 5: Okay, attack some pretension, you know, and.

3866
03:38:29,800 --> 03:38:31,600
Speaker 3: So this but this sucks for people who like pasta,

3867
03:38:31,680 --> 03:38:33,760
Speaker 3: that's good. And also for people who ARESI to gluten

3868
03:38:33,879 --> 03:38:35,520
Speaker 3: or who just are trying to reduce the amount of

3869
03:38:35,520 --> 03:38:38,040
Speaker 3: gluten they're eating for diabetic reasons, et cetera, et cetera.

3870
03:38:38,800 --> 03:38:42,720
Speaker 3: That all really sucks. In that same piece, Yeah, that

3871
03:38:42,760 --> 03:38:47,640
Speaker 3: same Guardian piece, the unbelievably named Scott ketch Him, who

3872
03:38:47,760 --> 03:38:50,320
Speaker 3: is the founder of like an artismal.

3873
03:38:52,040 --> 03:38:54,720
Speaker 2: Ketch him is the real last name. That's why the

3874
03:38:54,840 --> 03:38:56,080
Speaker 2: Pokemon game is.

3875
03:38:57,920 --> 03:38:59,120
Speaker 5: Idah Scott.

3876
03:39:00,680 --> 03:39:03,560
Speaker 4: I don't understand why ketchup is funny? Why catch them funny?

3877
03:39:03,600 --> 03:39:05,040
Speaker 2: Did you not play the Pokemon you too.

3878
03:39:07,000 --> 03:39:07,040
Speaker 13: No.

3879
03:39:08,720 --> 03:39:11,080
Speaker 3: Also, also, it's so close to being ketchup, and I

3880
03:39:11,120 --> 03:39:13,800
Speaker 3: think about, Okay, you have Italian pasta.

3881
03:39:13,879 --> 03:39:16,800
Speaker 4: Whatever, Okay, you put ketchup on Italian pasta?

3882
03:39:17,080 --> 03:39:19,880
Speaker 3: Interesting? No, but do you know who does do this?

3883
03:39:20,280 --> 03:39:22,760
Speaker 3: Chinese hotels. In two thousand and nine the thing I

3884
03:39:22,879 --> 03:39:25,280
Speaker 3: discovered when they, for some reason fed us tried to

3885
03:39:25,320 --> 03:39:27,360
Speaker 3: feed us American food instead of feeding us Chinese food,

3886
03:39:27,440 --> 03:39:31,119
Speaker 3: and dear god, awfweeds zeroto test.

3887
03:39:31,200 --> 03:39:34,040
Speaker 2: My favorite thing in any foreign country is when they're like,

3888
03:39:34,320 --> 03:39:37,560
Speaker 2: I know what you want, American food. You came to

3889
03:39:37,680 --> 03:39:40,000
Speaker 2: Grease to eat it, TGI Fridays, didn't you.

3890
03:39:40,560 --> 03:39:42,119
Speaker 3: Burger is all over Berlin.

3891
03:39:42,959 --> 03:39:46,800
Speaker 2: Burger's not America, bug right.

3892
03:39:46,760 --> 03:39:49,080
Speaker 5: And it is now. I feel like he'd be disappointed,

3893
03:39:49,160 --> 03:39:51,440
Speaker 5: Carson if you knew how many people in continental Europe

3894
03:39:51,520 --> 03:39:54,640
Speaker 5: or eating pasta and ketch up on a daily basis.

3895
03:39:55,280 --> 03:39:56,440
Speaker 5: Ye that brown sugar.

3896
03:39:56,720 --> 03:39:59,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, Europeans are. Europeans are obviously sick.

3897
03:40:00,080 --> 03:40:01,040
Speaker 5: You've been to Belgium?

3898
03:40:01,240 --> 03:40:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah that's wrong, I have Yeah.

3899
03:40:02,920 --> 03:40:06,640
Speaker 3: Okay, locking locking back in, locking back in on the

3900
03:40:06,680 --> 03:40:11,000
Speaker 3: post anarchist cafe was closed two pm. Those lazy word God,

3901
03:40:12,040 --> 03:40:13,840
Speaker 3: look a look at the conditions that I happened to

3902
03:40:14,040 --> 03:40:16,360
Speaker 3: with everyon dimentioned inflation. Out got the inflation. Joe Kerry

3903
03:40:16,360 --> 03:40:20,240
Speaker 3: Tymer's trying to finish it as a pasta. God, okay,

3904
03:40:20,720 --> 03:40:25,600
Speaker 3: finishing this. Scott Ketchum agrees that the manufacturers will quote

3905
03:40:25,640 --> 03:40:28,320
Speaker 3: take advantage of the news and slightly raise their prices.

3906
03:40:28,360 --> 03:40:31,520
Speaker 3: That's just business, he said, So this actually probably will

3907
03:40:31,640 --> 03:40:35,240
Speaker 3: increase pasta prices across the board because the US is

3908
03:40:35,280 --> 03:40:37,359
Speaker 3: as a justification for raising prices.

3909
03:40:37,440 --> 03:40:40,480
Speaker 5: Canonically, how old is ashketching? I'm trying to work out

3910
03:40:40,480 --> 03:40:41,959
Speaker 5: of this as a sibling, since.

3911
03:40:42,040 --> 03:40:48,080
Speaker 3: It's been like thirteen for no, but he's been thirteen

3912
03:40:48,160 --> 03:40:49,959
Speaker 3: for these entirely, Like.

3913
03:40:50,080 --> 03:40:52,520
Speaker 5: So we can think siblings more than parents.

3914
03:40:52,920 --> 03:40:53,680
Speaker 3: Fstein's dream.

3915
03:40:54,320 --> 03:40:57,360
Speaker 5: Yeah okay, Ash Kirchen's brother put it in the law.

3916
03:40:57,400 --> 03:40:59,640
Speaker 3: Oh my god, okay, okay. Two more things. Two more

3917
03:40:59,680 --> 03:41:02,000
Speaker 3: things that I had to get there, I spread to god. Okay.

3918
03:41:02,120 --> 03:41:04,480
Speaker 3: One fifty year mortgage. Trump has become obsessed with the

3919
03:41:04,520 --> 03:41:10,200
Speaker 3: idea of fifty year mortgages. Just an idea, so unhinged

3920
03:41:10,560 --> 03:41:15,680
Speaker 3: I have any Republicans talk about positively. The mortgage industry

3921
03:41:15,920 --> 03:41:18,000
Speaker 3: is like, don't do this. This is a bad idea.

3922
03:41:19,000 --> 03:41:20,920
Speaker 3: I'm not going to read the full paragraph I had

3923
03:41:20,959 --> 03:41:23,080
Speaker 3: here from CNN, but you know, CNN did a very

3924
03:41:23,120 --> 03:41:26,440
Speaker 3: basic calculation of instead of a thirty year fixed mortgage,

3925
03:41:26,440 --> 03:41:30,400
Speaker 3: a fifty year fixed mortgage. So the basically their calculation

3926
03:41:30,520 --> 03:41:32,480
Speaker 3: on like a four hundred and fifty thousand dollars house

3927
03:41:32,640 --> 03:41:35,080
Speaker 3: was that you would save about three hundred dollars a

3928
03:41:35,120 --> 03:41:38,040
Speaker 3: month technically, but over the course of the loan, instead

3929
03:41:38,080 --> 03:41:42,160
Speaker 3: of spending about five hundred and fifty thousand dollars in interest,

3930
03:41:42,200 --> 03:41:44,119
Speaker 3: you would spend a million dollars in interest.

3931
03:41:44,560 --> 03:41:47,800
Speaker 5: And yeah, that's that we save money, But give me

3932
03:41:47,920 --> 03:41:49,400
Speaker 5: half a million dollars to the bank.

3933
03:41:49,680 --> 03:41:52,040
Speaker 2: Well, hey, you're not even talking about the fifteen year

3934
03:41:52,120 --> 03:41:52,800
Speaker 2: auto loans.

3935
03:41:53,720 --> 03:41:57,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone who.

3936
03:41:57,560 --> 03:41:59,879
Speaker 2: Buys a Kiya can trust that it will keep working

3937
03:42:00,080 --> 03:42:01,000
Speaker 2: for fifteen years.

3938
03:42:01,160 --> 03:42:02,840
Speaker 5: He's gonna say he's.

3939
03:42:03,480 --> 03:42:06,880
Speaker 3: Worn't lasting fifty years. They're made like cardboard, right, Like

3940
03:42:06,959 --> 03:42:07,280
Speaker 3: they're just.

3941
03:42:07,320 --> 03:42:10,640
Speaker 5: Kind of more than twice the value of the house

3942
03:42:10,720 --> 03:42:11,360
Speaker 5: in interest.

3943
03:42:12,520 --> 03:42:16,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, make America affordable again. Yeah, okay, unbelievable. And then

3944
03:42:16,840 --> 03:42:19,520
Speaker 3: finally I want to close with what is actually going

3945
03:42:19,560 --> 03:42:21,879
Speaker 3: on with the jobs and inflation numbers for October because

3946
03:42:21,879 --> 03:42:23,320
Speaker 3: I think people are getting a lot of very bad

3947
03:42:23,360 --> 03:42:25,640
Speaker 3: information about this, I mean, and it's not their fault.

3948
03:42:26,120 --> 03:42:30,080
Speaker 4: It's again because the Democrats shutdown made it impossible to

3949
03:42:30,120 --> 03:42:32,560
Speaker 4: get any reliable data. So now we can never have

3950
03:42:32,720 --> 03:42:33,480
Speaker 4: data ever again.

3951
03:42:34,200 --> 03:42:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so okay, okay, so let's let's let let's let

3952
03:42:36,760 --> 03:42:38,119
Speaker 3: let's go into like what is it? What is actually

3953
03:42:38,160 --> 03:42:41,480
Speaker 3: going on here? So on Wednesday, Caroline Levitt said that

3954
03:42:41,600 --> 03:42:45,000
Speaker 3: we might not ever get October the October jobs and

3955
03:42:45,080 --> 03:42:49,840
Speaker 3: inflation data. Oops. So however, Comma, I'm sure this numbers

3956
03:42:49,879 --> 03:42:51,440
Speaker 3: would have been fine. Comma.

3957
03:42:51,560 --> 03:42:54,040
Speaker 5: Let's spirit Halloween bump would have been huge, Comma.

3958
03:42:54,160 --> 03:42:58,680
Speaker 3: On Thursday, National Economic Council Director Kevin Hassett, who, by

3959
03:42:58,720 --> 03:43:00,600
Speaker 3: the way, is the guy who's whole thing is that

3960
03:43:00,680 --> 03:43:03,880
Speaker 3: he wants to he wants to impose taxes on holding

3961
03:43:04,040 --> 03:43:07,920
Speaker 3: US bonds, the worst maybe the only idea I've ever seen,

3962
03:43:09,320 --> 03:43:13,680
Speaker 3: fifty year mortgage astonishingly bad ideas. But he said on

3963
03:43:13,800 --> 03:43:16,760
Speaker 3: Fox News this is today as day of recording, said

3964
03:43:16,800 --> 03:43:18,400
Speaker 3: on Fox News that we're going to get some of

3965
03:43:18,520 --> 03:43:21,080
Speaker 3: the data, but the data we're supposed to get is

3966
03:43:21,520 --> 03:43:23,920
Speaker 3: very weird. Now, so this is the September data we're

3967
03:43:23,920 --> 03:43:26,440
Speaker 3: supposed to get next week because that was already recorded

3968
03:43:26,480 --> 03:43:30,120
Speaker 3: before the before they got mention. Right, Yeah, and there

3969
03:43:30,280 --> 03:43:34,120
Speaker 3: is legitimately even in a sort of not if a

3970
03:43:34,280 --> 03:43:36,720
Speaker 3: normal Bureau of Labor Statistics was trying to get these

3971
03:43:36,720 --> 03:43:39,840
Speaker 3: statistics out, it would be a little difficult for them. However,

3972
03:43:40,480 --> 03:43:44,200
Speaker 3: come we're only getting the jobs added numbers and not

3973
03:43:44,440 --> 03:43:45,879
Speaker 3: the job lost numbers.

3974
03:43:46,320 --> 03:43:50,600
Speaker 5: Oh wow, what a great strategy.

3975
03:43:51,240 --> 03:43:53,120
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm sure that I'm sure that number is fine.

3976
03:43:53,160 --> 03:43:56,920
Speaker 4: I'm sure it's not negative seventy thousand jobs or something.

3977
03:43:57,400 --> 03:44:00,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. Right, and you know, and apparently, let's be as

3978
03:44:00,200 --> 03:44:03,120
Speaker 3: the survey the collected information never went out, and I

3979
03:44:03,800 --> 03:44:06,000
Speaker 3: mean it probably didn't because of the shutdown, but also

3980
03:44:06,240 --> 03:44:09,320
Speaker 3: like you could, you could work this out, they're just

3981
03:44:09,400 --> 03:44:12,440
Speaker 3: not doing it. We talked a few months ago about

3982
03:44:12,440 --> 03:44:14,680
Speaker 3: Trump's attempt to take over the Buer of Labor Statistics,

3983
03:44:15,120 --> 03:44:18,360
Speaker 3: which with his attempt to install the hideously incompetent Heritage

3984
03:44:18,360 --> 03:44:20,800
Speaker 3: Foundation economists and I use that term very loosely here,

3985
03:44:21,280 --> 03:44:23,480
Speaker 3: uh EJ and TONI and Trump was actually forced to

3986
03:44:23,600 --> 03:44:26,080
Speaker 3: like pull back on installing this guys ahead of a

3987
03:44:26,080 --> 03:44:28,360
Speaker 3: Buera of Labor Satistics. So it's being run by the

3988
03:44:28,440 --> 03:44:31,440
Speaker 3: interim head and has been for a long time now.

3989
03:44:32,280 --> 03:44:34,959
Speaker 3: But it seems like A there's conflicting information going out

3990
03:44:35,000 --> 03:44:37,119
Speaker 3: and B it does seem like Trump has been able

3991
03:44:37,160 --> 03:44:39,400
Speaker 3: to get a decent amount of control over the beer

3992
03:44:39,440 --> 03:44:42,880
Speaker 3: of libor Sitistics, which is supposed to be a nonpartisan

3993
03:44:42,959 --> 03:44:46,280
Speaker 3: body that just releases the data because everyone in the

3994
03:44:46,400 --> 03:44:49,240
Speaker 3: entire capitals economy reclied relies on it. And it is

3995
03:44:49,400 --> 03:44:52,160
Speaker 3: possible that this is that we have already gotten our

3996
03:44:52,280 --> 03:44:55,240
Speaker 3: last unbrigged like beeer of labor statistics reports. I mean,

3997
03:44:55,280 --> 03:44:57,760
Speaker 3: I can't confirm that they're straight up breaking it. And

3998
03:44:57,840 --> 03:45:01,040
Speaker 3: it's also possible that oh, well, this wasn't the product

3999
03:45:01,080 --> 03:45:03,360
Speaker 3: of that, and we are going to get some of

4000
03:45:03,520 --> 03:45:06,400
Speaker 3: the data like we are supposed to get inflation numbers

4001
03:45:08,040 --> 03:45:10,160
Speaker 3: by it's not good. Oops.

4002
03:45:11,200 --> 03:45:17,959
Speaker 4: Well to end on some good news, I guess. On Monday,

4003
03:45:18,200 --> 03:45:21,160
Speaker 4: this Supreme Court rejected a call to overturn or here

4004
03:45:21,200 --> 03:45:26,480
Speaker 4: it's a previous ruling on legalizing same sex marriage nation wide.

4005
03:45:27,200 --> 03:45:29,000
Speaker 4: So this is where this is where they're this is

4006
03:45:29,040 --> 03:45:31,880
Speaker 4: where they're drawing the line right now? Is this I

4007
03:45:32,000 --> 03:45:34,560
Speaker 4: think I think I did predict this a few months

4008
03:45:34,600 --> 03:45:37,320
Speaker 4: ago and in which people got a little bit mad

4009
03:45:37,360 --> 03:45:38,959
Speaker 4: at me for saying that I didn't think they were

4010
03:45:39,040 --> 03:45:41,720
Speaker 4: going to pick this one up another w in the

4011
03:45:41,760 --> 03:45:44,000
Speaker 4: Ghar column. But I think it is fairly interesting that

4012
03:45:44,080 --> 03:45:48,560
Speaker 4: this is this is the point in which they're like, nah, nah,

4013
03:45:48,640 --> 03:45:50,720
Speaker 4: it's not worth it. Like this, this is more settled

4014
03:45:50,760 --> 03:45:53,800
Speaker 4: to them than even the abortion thing was. I think

4015
03:45:54,120 --> 03:45:56,800
Speaker 4: I think some of the general like economic issues, shows

4016
03:45:56,840 --> 03:45:58,960
Speaker 4: that there is not a real desire for pushing on

4017
03:45:59,080 --> 03:46:03,320
Speaker 4: this right now, based on you know, gestures broadly at

4018
03:46:03,360 --> 03:46:05,760
Speaker 4: other economy stuff and some of the some of the

4019
03:46:05,920 --> 03:46:09,600
Speaker 4: some of the anti woke fuel maybe maybe running out

4020
03:46:09,760 --> 03:46:12,760
Speaker 4: as the as the economic situation becomes more and more

4021
03:46:13,560 --> 03:46:18,560
Speaker 4: dire dire, right Like, how much longer can the Republicans

4022
03:46:18,680 --> 03:46:21,840
Speaker 4: just scream about trans people as they're ruining the economy?

4023
03:46:21,920 --> 03:46:23,200
Speaker 4: Do you think that's going to still work for them

4024
03:46:23,240 --> 03:46:24,119
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty six?

4025
03:46:24,959 --> 03:46:25,320
Speaker 3: Maybe not.

4026
03:46:25,560 --> 03:46:27,240
Speaker 4: They might be scared that they've put all of their

4027
03:46:27,320 --> 03:46:29,760
Speaker 4: eggs in this whole anti wok culture basket, and now

4028
03:46:29,800 --> 03:46:32,160
Speaker 4: that they're in charge and the country's still getting worse,

4029
03:46:32,240 --> 03:46:35,040
Speaker 4: they're like, well, I wonder if we can replay that

4030
03:46:35,200 --> 03:46:35,920
Speaker 4: card again or not.

4031
03:46:36,959 --> 03:46:39,120
Speaker 3: As a final economy note, I want to note that

4032
03:46:39,280 --> 03:46:44,600
Speaker 3: soft Bank sold all of their shares in Nvidia Share.

4033
03:46:44,680 --> 03:46:47,000
Speaker 3: Don't worry about it, It's part of regular stalk rotation.

4034
03:46:47,120 --> 03:46:50,920
Speaker 3: It's fine. These are the biggest rubes who have ever existed,

4035
03:46:51,280 --> 03:46:52,560
Speaker 3: have come rid of all of.

4036
03:46:54,720 --> 03:46:55,199
Speaker 2: Shits.

4037
03:46:55,840 --> 03:46:58,039
Speaker 3: These are These are the we work guide.

4038
03:46:59,760 --> 03:47:05,600
Speaker 2: Whole on the bag for rework, Yes, which I mean?

4039
03:47:05,640 --> 03:47:08,120
Speaker 2: Does that mean that they're they're getting out too early

4040
03:47:08,480 --> 03:47:11,680
Speaker 2: of hey I or does it mean that, uh, they're

4041
03:47:12,000 --> 03:47:14,080
Speaker 2: hesitant their gun shy enough that they got out just

4042
03:47:14,200 --> 03:47:14,480
Speaker 2: in time.

4043
03:47:14,800 --> 03:47:17,160
Speaker 5: We'll see who can say we.

4044
03:47:17,280 --> 03:47:19,480
Speaker 3: Reported the new scarce. I'm stealing your line this week?

4045
03:47:19,680 --> 03:47:22,640
Speaker 2: Why we all stole that line from a terrible man.

4046
03:47:23,240 --> 03:47:27,680
Speaker 3: You haven't seen the Newsroom, It's stolen valor. Yep, great show.

4047
03:47:28,720 --> 03:47:31,480
Speaker 4: I would love a new season of the Newsroom where

4048
03:47:31,520 --> 03:47:35,160
Speaker 4: he works for some like bullshit like Internet News company.

4049
03:47:35,320 --> 03:47:38,200
Speaker 4: He's like he's like a substacker and he has like

4050
03:47:38,280 --> 03:47:44,840
Speaker 4: a home studio. Oh oh top ten list, Yeah God,

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Speaker 4: I would love that.

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Speaker 2: Would super big in it. But they don't ever make

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Speaker 2: a direct point of it.

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Speaker 23: It just becomes like subtly obvious, like oh wow, this

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Speaker 23: this is a guy who's bought into some weird conspiracy theories. Sure,

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Speaker 23: I I was thinking because I mentioned it came out

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Speaker 23: the same year as True Detective.

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Speaker 2: I would like a new season of The news Room.

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Speaker 2: That's a crossover with the first season of True Detective,

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Speaker 2: where we get Woody Harrelson and we get that British

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Speaker 2: lady all all in the same room together. It'll be great.

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Speaker 4: They would be a nasty combo. I mentionined, ho, which

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Speaker 4: fucked up shit they could get up to it be awful?

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Speaker 6: Awful?

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, well we're not even on the air anymore.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, we're still in the air.

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Speaker 2: Well I stopped re borning.

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Speaker 5: We reported the news.

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Speaker 2: We reported the news. Hey, we'll be back Monday with

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Speaker 2: more episodes every week from now until the heat death

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Speaker 2: of the Universe.

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Speaker 1: It Could Happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 1: cool Zonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 9: App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever.

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Speaker 3: You listen to podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Can now find sources for It Could Happen here, listed

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