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Speaker 3: Slash Calves. Well, when a regular season is this fun,
Speaker 3: you just do not want it to end, And apparently
Speaker 3: that was a sentiment that was shared by the members
Speaker 3: of the Cleveland Cavaliers this year. Afternoon, I should say, uh,
Speaker 3: going to double overtime against the Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 1: There is a close one.
Speaker 3: Ultimately, I think they got a little tired and weren't
Speaker 3: able to pull it out. Joining me today to discuss
Speaker 3: that the win at Madison Square Garden and look ahead
Speaker 3: to the playoffs as my co host Carter Rodriguez.
Speaker 1: Carter, how you doing, Buddy, I'm doing well.
Speaker 2: I spent the last couple of days in Athens, Ohio,
Speaker 2: uh singing my little heart out with the Singing min
Speaker 2: of Ohio. UH so shout out for a little alumni
Speaker 2: trip with some of my dear friends. I am not
Speaker 2: in game shape for Athens, Ohio, so you know, you
Speaker 2: might need to carry the the energy a little bit
Speaker 2: on this one.
Speaker 3: There's still the vocal cords are still sounding all right,
Speaker 3: buddy brother.
Speaker 2: It was it was I can go octave deeper than normal,
Speaker 2: uh after after a weekend of debauchery. But I had
Speaker 2: had a great time, saw a bunch of good friends,
Speaker 2: and the Cavs uh took home one really really fun win.
Speaker 2: And then you know, they closed the year on a loss,
Speaker 2: but it was kind of a fun loss, and it's
Speaker 2: a you know, in his own way, there was plenty
Speaker 2: of fun stuff to happen. So no complaints here, and
Speaker 2: really really excited for the playoffs. Yeah, it's something that
Speaker 2: I'm grateful for. You know, looking back at eighty two
Speaker 2: games now in the books, I don't think there were
Speaker 2: a lot of times that we've come here on this
Speaker 2: podcast and there just wasn't anything to talk about that
Speaker 2: It wasn't fun, It wasn't entertaining in any way, shape
Speaker 2: or form. You know, we talked after that last.
Speaker 3: Indiana game where they were resting a bunch of guys
Speaker 3: and they had a chance to win that one. This one,
Speaker 3: you know, they were up against the Indiana I don't
Speaker 3: want to say starters Siakam and Halburn were out, but
Speaker 3: you know, they were competitive throughout the night. They had
Speaker 3: a big lead that they ultimately weren't able to hang
Speaker 3: on to. But they were competitive and entertaining throughout this
Speaker 3: entire season. And that's something that I really really do appreciate.
Speaker 3: And these Game eighty twos are always kind of fun.
Speaker 3: You know, the Cats historically have handled this game by
Speaker 3: you know, resting their starters. We got the Jordan McCrae
Speaker 3: game back in the day.
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of kind.
Speaker 3: Of fun performances on Game eighty two. But you know,
Speaker 3: to see Jalen Tyson go for a career high in points,
Speaker 3: to see Nakwon Tomlin go for a career high points,
Speaker 3: Amani Baits having a really fun game.
Speaker 2: That had to be his career high. There's no way
Speaker 2: he scored twenty five before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just going to assume that that's a career
Speaker 3: high for him as well. And you know, Craig Porter
Speaker 3: Junior having a great night like that to me is entertaining.
Speaker 1: I thought that they played competitive basketball.
Speaker 3: I thought it was a lot of fun, and you know,
Speaker 3: the fans that were in attendance got more than they
Speaker 3: bargained for with doublet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was hilarious.
Speaker 2: I know, it's just like you could really you know,
Speaker 2: there was this moment in the game where they were
Speaker 2: like two minutes left and Rick Carlisle took a time
Speaker 2: out of four and I heard John Michael soul leave
Speaker 2: his body.
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Rick?
Speaker 2: But you know, it was a fun game, and yeah,
Speaker 2: it was really nice to see like how much depth
Speaker 2: these guys have. You know, you know, we've said it
Speaker 2: a lot. We said it last year with Amani's rookie year.
Speaker 2: If this were you know, six years ago, he's probably uh,
Speaker 2: he's probably playing twenty eight minutes a night, just getting
Speaker 2: figuring out in real time. But a lot of this
Speaker 2: stuff just happens out of out of most fans sightlines.
Speaker 2: Right now with a team that good that you know,
Speaker 2: you just don't get to see Jalen Tyson play that much.
Speaker 1: You don't get to see Na.
Speaker 2: Kwon, Tomlin play, you know, RMANI even guy like Craig really,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, forty three minutes is hilarious for
Speaker 2: I mean nay Kuon played forty seven minutes. I mean
Speaker 2: he probably quadrupled his NBA experience to that point with that, So.
Speaker 3: Forty six for Tyson, like, you know, it's so funny
Speaker 3: in a season where Donovan Mitchell, Darius Garland, Evan Wigley
Speaker 3: all played career lows in minutes per game, and I
Speaker 3: don't think we had any that they crossed the forty
Speaker 3: minute threshold. But for a bunch of guys that don't
Speaker 3: typically play, you know, and that don't have a lot
Speaker 3: of game experience at least at the NBA level this season,
Speaker 3: for them to all basically go up to nearly forty
Speaker 3: eight minutes, yeah, you're going to be a little bit tired,
Speaker 3: and you're probably going to, you know, blow a leade.
Speaker 3: I think he was showing up in the overtimes and
Speaker 3: fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: I think I think most members of the Cavs organization
Speaker 2: probably got to kick their feet up, got to, you know,
Speaker 2: enjoy the satisfaction of a season well played.
Speaker 1: And you didn't get to relax. Probably the training and
Speaker 1: massage staff, the walking wounded came in. Oh yeah, there
Speaker 1: were some sore individuals there.
Speaker 3: But hey, you know Jale and Tyson Craig Porter Junior,
Speaker 3: they had that game earlier this season where they played
Speaker 3: a game for the Charge and then played real minutes
Speaker 3: for the Calves on the same day.
Speaker 1: You know, we talk about back to back.
Speaker 3: These guys are hoopers, and you know, I want to
Speaker 3: get into the young guys a little more in depth.
Speaker 1: But before we like fully.
Speaker 3: Dive into that, I do want to point out there's
Speaker 3: probably a decent chance that this is Tristan Thompson's last
Speaker 3: regular season game. Oh wow, I hadn't considered it dawned
Speaker 3: on me after the game. It wasn't really something that
Speaker 3: I thought about and for him to, you know, if
Speaker 3: it is in fact his last game, either in the
Speaker 3: NBA or as a member of the Cavs because he's
Speaker 3: not on their contract next season, it's kind of fun
Speaker 3: that he went out with twenty rebounds. You want to
Speaker 3: talk about someone that's sore, he played forty two minutes,
Speaker 3: but you know, just patting those stats. Moving up a
Speaker 3: little further in the kaz Record books in the total
Speaker 3: rebounds column.
Speaker 1: It was fun to see Tristan out there. Yeah, I wish.
Speaker 3: He would have wish he would have knocked down a
Speaker 3: couple more of those free throws, particularly that one in
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter was why they went overtime, as he
Speaker 3: was at the line that was already like just looking
Speaker 3: at my phone, not really you know, kind of checking
Speaker 3: out of that ending game scenario. And then ultimately Indiana
Speaker 3: forced overtime. But you know, it was nice to see
Speaker 3: Tristan out there. The goaltend that was called a block
Speaker 3: that was a little bit fortunate, but he had some moments,
Speaker 3: and you know, I'm always going to have a soft
Speaker 3: spot for Tristan.
Speaker 2: As as you should. Buddy, do you want to talk
Speaker 2: about that the young guys or do we want to
Speaker 2: talk DG against the next first?
Speaker 3: But let's go young guys first. Let's talk about, you know,
Speaker 3: the game that just occurred, because I was really really
Speaker 3: encouraged by this. One of the things that we talked
Speaker 3: about when we were evaluating the two way spots at
Speaker 3: the start of the year was this seems like the
Speaker 3: type of guys you want to take a swing on
Speaker 3: these Are you know in the archetype that would be
Speaker 3: of interest to the Caps, right, Like they have a
Speaker 3: lot of depth at the guard positions. I would say
Speaker 3: more than we even thought coming into the year, given
Speaker 3: how well Tied Jrome played, and you know the progression
Speaker 3: that we've seen Craig Porter Junior make. Obviously you have
Speaker 3: a major investment in Evan Mobley and Jared Allen, DeAndre
Speaker 3: Hunter is playing minutes at the Ford and Wade has
Speaker 3: had a very successful season. So getting athletic wings I
Speaker 3: think has been what's been.
Speaker 1: On the forefront of our mind.
Speaker 3: Then you know, looking at Jalen Tyson, Nikwon, Tomlin Amani
Speaker 3: bits not that what they did tonight is what you'd
Speaker 3: expect from them on a nightly basis. We understand the
Speaker 3: game eighty two is weird, but to me it was
Speaker 3: almost just like a little bit of a confirmation that, yeah,
Speaker 3: these are guys work taking a swing on. I understand
Speaker 3: what the Cavs were doing with this, and I think
Speaker 3: in each of their in each instance of these guys,
Speaker 3: I feel like they have made progress from when I
Speaker 3: first saw them to start this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think, I mean, most certainly we did
Speaker 2: see that the kids show up. We said at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the year when they were kind of filling
Speaker 2: the two way is if you feel like the three
Speaker 2: of them have a combined chance of one of them
Speaker 2: making it to be a rosterable player, if you were
Speaker 2: to say that combined percentages forty, you're making good use
Speaker 2: of your two ways. And you know, I still feel
Speaker 2: that way, you know, even after and that was when
Speaker 2: they had J. T. Thor, who obviously they moved on
Speaker 2: from in order to give Tomlin this opportunity. And Tomlin
Speaker 2: really showed out. I mean he was He is a
Speaker 2: really interesting player. I won't lie. Uh. There aren't a
Speaker 2: lot of two way uh six' ten like pretty like you,
Speaker 2: know big man, sized big men that you're running pick and,
Speaker 2: rolls inverted pick and rolls for that are on two way.
Speaker 2: Deals the ball skills are pretty, impressive honestly for a
Speaker 2: guy of that. Size the jumper obviously wasn't hitting super well,
Speaker 2: today but like, OVERALL i just, THOUGHT i just, thought
Speaker 2: like there was clearly a fluidity advantage for him against
Speaker 2: the guys he was playing. Against and a lot of
Speaker 2: the stuff that you saw that like maybe wasn't so.
Speaker 2: GREAT a lot of the time was the what were
Speaker 2: the moments where you, know the game got a little
Speaker 2: fast for? Him and but that's kind of great. News you,
Speaker 2: know of any player Around tomlin's age that has an
Speaker 2: excuse to like be a little behind on that part
Speaker 2: of the. Game it's a guy who didn't play high school.
Speaker 2: BASKETBALL i, mean what a miracle is a guy who
Speaker 2: didn't play high school basketball just played forty seven minutes
Speaker 2: in AN nba. Game so super cool for. HIM i, do,
Speaker 2: like you, KNOW i think if you were to ask
Speaker 2: me going into you, know you, know this, second this
Speaker 2: last third of the, season WHO i thought the two
Speaker 2: way with the best chance of landing on the main roster,
Speaker 2: WAS i probably would have Said, traverse Then tomlin And
Speaker 2: bates and kind of a morass from. There, YEAH i gotta,
Speaker 2: SAY i Think tomlin might be the Best ganda that
Speaker 2: we have because we are so now well stocked on
Speaker 2: the wings after The DeAndre hunter, Trade we're very well
Speaker 2: stocked at. Guard and, like if you're looking up and
Speaker 2: down the, roster like back up.
Speaker 1: Five, yeah four or, five, Right like there's just a
Speaker 1: little more.
Speaker 2: Rooms so, YEAH i don't, know maybe Maybe i'm jumping
Speaker 2: the gun a little bit on, That but that's kind
Speaker 2: of where my brain went.
Speaker 3: To, YEAH i, mean you definitely don't want to get
Speaker 3: over your skis with. This, Right, like he's played five
Speaker 3: games now in THE. Nba if you look at the
Speaker 3: per thirty six, numbers he's averaging twenty points and twelve,
Speaker 3: rebounds so like the.
Speaker 1: Activity is really.
Speaker 3: There but he is shooting forty percent from the field
Speaker 3: and twenty percent from three in those, games, Right so
Speaker 3: like he's.
Speaker 1: Raw he needs some.
Speaker 3: TIME i, think you, know the athleticism jumps off the
Speaker 3: screen blocking that jump.
Speaker 1: Shot it was.
Speaker 3: Phenomenal, honestly there was a lot of great blocks in this.
Speaker 3: Game Craig Porter junior had that one on the. Breakaway
Speaker 3: Jalen tyson had an amazing. One Jalen tyson turning the
Speaker 3: corner On Nie smith and then dunking On Jarris walker
Speaker 3: Was i'm SORRY i DIDN'T i was not familiar with your.
Speaker 1: GAME i did not know that you could do.
Speaker 3: That but he really showed a lot of craft and
Speaker 3: it was encouraging for me to see, him you, know
Speaker 3: show that craft early in the game and continue it
Speaker 3: Right like it wasn't just when some of the and
Speaker 3: the bench guys were in. There he was good throughout the.
Speaker 3: Night BUT i agree with, YOU i Think tomlin has
Speaker 3: a real. Chance anytime you have someone with that kind
Speaker 3: of physical tools and that kind of, lengths it's really.
Speaker 1: Interesting and he was of the.
Speaker 3: Group he was the most productive for The charge this.
Speaker 3: Season he led them in. Scoring he had a really
Speaker 3: really dominant. Season and you, know looking forward to next,
Speaker 3: year would it be that out rageous to, Say, hey
Speaker 3: this guy could maybe fill That Javonte green, role like
Speaker 3: as a bigger activity guy that it's a little raw,
Speaker 3: offensively but we we like what he can. Bring if
Speaker 3: you're signing him to you, know that kind of Original
Speaker 3: Dan wade Sam merril contract where it's a three four
Speaker 3: year deal with all team, options and you know it's
Speaker 3: for basically the, minimum or should say The Craig porter junior,
Speaker 3: deal because he's on one of those as. Well, LIKE
Speaker 3: i would not be opposed to, that particularly when you're
Speaker 3: talking about a team that already has its top eight
Speaker 3: pretty much locked up for next.
Speaker 2: Season, YEAH i, Mean i'm not SURE i would actually
Speaker 2: go To Javonte. GREEN i THINK i would go To Chumo,
Speaker 2: kiki who you, know is another rung lower on the
Speaker 2: priority list for the, team you, know like the. TEAM
Speaker 2: i think there's, like if you were to, say what
Speaker 2: percent chance do you think it is That kenny's turns
Speaker 2: To jamonte in a playoff, SERIES i would say like fifteen,
Speaker 2: Twenty like for a, moment you, know for a five
Speaker 2: minute stretch or whatever it may. BE i don't think
Speaker 2: he's turned To okiki unless the team's in real foul,
Speaker 2: trouble you, know, injury.
Speaker 1: Whatever AND i think that's.
Speaker 2: Kind OF i and and that's WHY i wouldn't Classify
Speaker 2: tomlin in the same way that you Classify, javonte BECAUSE
Speaker 2: i Think javonte can come into a playoff series And
Speaker 2: i'd be, like all, right let's see what.
Speaker 1: Happens let's see what he can, do.
Speaker 2: Whereas tom And i'd be, like not ready, yet, brother
Speaker 2: don't do, That like, Yeah and there is a meaningful difference.
Speaker 1: THERE i think that's a fair.
Speaker 3: Point the one Thing i'll bring up one we were
Speaker 3: negligent BECAUSE i don't think we mentioned the Sign we.
Speaker 1: Didn't it just kind of slid under bad, timing.
Speaker 3: Just had had too much head to. Discuss SO i
Speaker 3: like the. SIGNING i think that he is someone that
Speaker 3: is a polished. DEFENDER i like what he can do
Speaker 3: on that. End he's shown a little bit.
Speaker 1: Of range to.
Speaker 3: Me i'd be interested in bringing him into camp next. Year,
Speaker 3: Sure i'd rather take the. Flyers, like, honestly you have
Speaker 3: so much proven. TALENT i understand what you're saying With Javonte,
Speaker 3: green But i'd rather take the flyers when on the,
Speaker 3: perimeter you do Have, maxters you do Have DeAndre, hunter
Speaker 3: you do Have Isaac, okorro you do Have Dean. Wade,
Speaker 3: LIKE i get What Javonte green can, bring AND i
Speaker 3: think for this, season you're absolutely. Right BUT i think
Speaker 3: going into next you're understanding that in all, likelihood this
Speaker 3: is going to be a Second apron. Team get those
Speaker 3: young guys under, Contract, like get those flyers in, place
Speaker 3: because if, you you, know if you're hitting on these
Speaker 3: guys on the, margin WHICH i think is the most
Speaker 3: important thing when you talk about the play Of, Tyson,
Speaker 3: Tomlin bates And travers and Even Craig Porter. Jr if
Speaker 3: you're hitting on those guys and you already have your
Speaker 3: top eight locked, up you're able to basically keep the
Speaker 3: team together as long as you are able to financially
Speaker 3: stomach you're not in a position where you, know the
Speaker 3: necessity to make roster changes is putting you in a
Speaker 3: tough position more so than you, know we're just okay
Speaker 3: with paying this luxury. Bill so i'd either go a
Speaker 3: little bit. Younger BUT i completely understand what you're, saying
Speaker 3: and you're certainly correct when it comes to this.
Speaker 2: Year, Yeah so it's just gonna be an interesting balance
Speaker 2: to strike up and down the, roster you. Know, like
Speaker 2: and we should talk About Jalen, tyson who had a
Speaker 2: very very good, game AND i thought even though his
Speaker 2: minutes were a little more up and down against The,
Speaker 2: knicks you, know he had a you, know a brain
Speaker 2: fart pick, six he gave up on a. Pass you,
Speaker 2: know the field goal percentage wasn't where he wanted to,
Speaker 2: be but you, know overall was positive in those minutes
Speaker 2: in a very pure role player. Capacity then obviously it
Speaker 2: has to carry out a huge load in this. Game
Speaker 2: takes twenty five, shots scores thirty one, points seven rebounds
Speaker 2: FOR us is three, steals five. Turnovers you, Know but
Speaker 2: LIKE i was thinking about him a little bit about
Speaker 2: how you, know in some, ways like you do feel
Speaker 2: a little bit better if you need to count On
Speaker 2: Jalen tyson at any point next, season then maybe you
Speaker 2: did any of this, year but there is occupational hazard
Speaker 2: in making that like PLAN a or even plan like you,
Speaker 2: know one TO. A you, know think about how many
Speaker 2: of The denver guys, like, well.
Speaker 1: Oh they look.
Speaker 2: Ready those guys are, good you, know and then it's
Speaker 2: like the hold, on hold, on let me get through the,
Speaker 2: point which is to say, that like you know that
Speaker 2: it was nice when you Know Julian strawther Or Peyton
Speaker 2: watson was a. Luxury it got a lot harder when
Speaker 2: they were in. Necessity SO i would say that's something
Speaker 2: they need to think about as they're going. Through not
Speaker 2: that they should not plan on Developing tyson giving him more,
Speaker 2: responsibility but like it's not always, linear it's not always
Speaker 2: he showed, this so when we give him, more he'll be.
Speaker 2: Ready like you, know when you're a top end contending,
Speaker 2: team you, know it gets really messy to balance all
Speaker 2: these different. Priorities that's ALL i was trying to, say
Speaker 2: not that that would happen or that it's a one
Speaker 2: to one, situation but like figuring out how to plot
Speaker 2: the long term term course of the development of these
Speaker 2: young guys is.
Speaker 1: Hard, Yeah, NO i totally.
Speaker 3: Agree and you, know even if his growth continues it
Speaker 3: and it is incredibly, linear they're going to be in
Speaker 3: a bit of a Buying like the reason WHY i
Speaker 3: was jumping on The denver point, is you, know if
Speaker 3: we Retain, Ti jerome And Sam, merril you're going into
Speaker 3: next year with the core Four Deander, Hunter Max, Strus,
Speaker 3: Isaaclecorro Ti, Jerome Dean, Wade Sam, Merril Jalen tyson's your. Eleventh,
Speaker 3: yeah like what you know it is right? Now MAYBE
Speaker 3: i guess is, Yeah i'd Say javonte is right. Now
Speaker 3: So Jalen, tyson you, know he's twelve right, now and
Speaker 3: would you, know maybe move up one spot in terms
Speaker 3: of how you would enter next. Season SO i don't
Speaker 3: think you know that that's not something that you're relying.
Speaker 3: On and if you have a top ten that's spoken
Speaker 3: for eleven through, fifteen let's take some, flyers like let's you,
Speaker 3: know bring in you, know if you want to sign
Speaker 3: a veteran big man for the minimum just so they
Speaker 3: have a little bit of depth. There if you want
Speaker 3: to sign Nik Won tomlin to kind of a speculative,
Speaker 3: Deal Like i'm all for, that because that's you, know
Speaker 3: you're giving yourself a bit of a floor with signing
Speaker 3: a big, man and then you're giving yourself some upside
Speaker 3: by signing A.
Speaker 1: Tomlin but none of those guys are really going to
Speaker 1: be counted. On but you, Know.
Speaker 3: Jalen, tyson you talk about guys that would be playing
Speaker 3: if this was a couple of years, Ago Jalen tyson
Speaker 3: would have been playing a lot of minutes for THIS gaff,
Speaker 3: Team like there's no doubt in my, Mind like he's
Speaker 3: a better player Than Lamar stevens ever was for. Us
Speaker 3: i'm just as encouraged by what he did against The
Speaker 3: knicks and giving them twenty two solid minutes on a
Speaker 3: night that they needed, them even though it was up and.
Speaker 3: Down it's almost, better, Right like guy coming in off an,
Speaker 3: injury you expect some russ. There the, turnovers he only
Speaker 3: had one in that, game so it took better care
Speaker 3: of the, ball some offensive, rebounds got the hustle, plays
Speaker 3: got a steal like.
Speaker 1: That to me was really really.
Speaker 3: Encouraging and having guys like, Him like when we talk
Speaker 3: about this young, group the two guys that actually HAVE
Speaker 3: nba contracts right, now they look like they ARE nba,
Speaker 3: players and That's Craig Porter junior and That's Jalen. Tyson
Speaker 3: that's super. Encouraging and in the instance Of Craig Porter.
Speaker 3: Jr you can just tell how much better he's gone
Speaker 3: since the last. Season like the, shot how quickly he
Speaker 3: gets into it has sped. UP i still think he
Speaker 3: needs to to kind of ramp that up a little,
Speaker 3: bit but you, know he looks like a much much
Speaker 3: more confident, shooter AND i think it's really helped open
Speaker 3: up the feel for his game because he is someone
Speaker 3: that can contribute on the glass with his, passing not
Speaker 3: a lead, guard but a really helpful combo guard to.
Speaker 2: Have, Yeah craig is you, know talk about the ultimate
Speaker 2: luxury for the. Team you, KNOW i think there is
Speaker 2: a pretty, clear you, know delineation which Him LIKE i
Speaker 2: don't see a world in which like we're getting into
Speaker 2: camp and being like it Can.
Speaker 1: Craig compete for backup? Minutes Like, NO i don't think.
Speaker 2: So and some of that IS i, think you, know
Speaker 2: one tie just being a bananas player all of a
Speaker 2: sudden and kind of shutting that.
Speaker 1: Door but like.
Speaker 2: There is also like some of the fit, stuff you,
Speaker 2: know it's hard to play him And darius together against
Speaker 2: really good. Teams you, know he And donovan are kind
Speaker 2: of an imperfect fit because of the jump.
Speaker 1: Shooting. Yep you.
Speaker 2: Know so LIKE i do think there's some fit limitations for.
Speaker 2: HIM i, do like strongly, think like there's a lot
Speaker 2: of teams in the. LEAGUE i Think craig would be
Speaker 2: their backup point. Guard, Yeah like and maybe there's a
Speaker 2: ceiling on, that but like just from a luxury, standpoint
Speaker 2: like if we have you, Know i'm gonna be like
Speaker 2: really reductionist if the top thirty point guards are all,
Speaker 2: starters which they're, not you, know but like if the
Speaker 2: top they're three point guards are all starters thirty one
Speaker 2: through sixty or all your backup point guards and you, know,
Speaker 2: uh you, know sixty one through ninety or all your
Speaker 2: third string point, Guards LIKE i would put someone Like
Speaker 2: craig in that middle.
Speaker 1: Tier he's in the.
Speaker 2: Thirty, yeah he's in that thirty to sixty, range WHICH
Speaker 2: i think is a really great.
Speaker 1: Outcome you.
Speaker 2: Know and like when you're if You're Kobe, aldman WHEN
Speaker 2: i talk about like how you have to hit, singles
Speaker 2: you have to hit doubles in, addition to the home.
Speaker 2: Runs you, know you got to keep getting the bat
Speaker 2: on the, Ball and, LIKE i think those kind of
Speaker 2: hits are almost not as important, obviously but they are
Speaker 2: important to the underlying integrity of your roster is that
Speaker 2: you always have slightly overqualified dudes in spots where they
Speaker 2: are ready to step up and fill a golf that
Speaker 2: otherwise would be challenging to.
Speaker 3: Fill, yeah those singles and doubles are incredibly, portant Right
Speaker 3: like they even if it's one we have injury, depth,
Speaker 3: two we have some leverage when we go into contract
Speaker 3: negotiations of, hey like we do have depth, here Right
Speaker 3: like we saw you know in that second Lebron, Run
Speaker 3: Kristin johnson and J. R smith were, like, hey we're
Speaker 3: bringing something that nobody else is bringing to the. Table
Speaker 3: when you have a bunch of guys that are bringing
Speaker 3: some on the, table the conversation, becomes, yeah we're going
Speaker 3: to respect you, here but everyone's going to have to
Speaker 3: sacrifice a little, bit just like you, know guys are
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Speaker 1: This?
Speaker 3: Right so it gives you some leverage to that. Extent
Speaker 3: but you, know while singles and doubles are, important it's
Speaker 3: also important to hit some home. Runs and right, Now,
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Speaker 3: for point, guards let's talk about a top five point
Speaker 3: guard right. Now Darius garland was dominant At Madison. Square
Speaker 3: he was so much fun AND.
Speaker 1: I Love Madison. Square, garland by the, way hell of a,
Speaker 1: Pun hell of a.
Speaker 3: PUN i really enjoy, it AND i really enjoy what
Speaker 3: he did in that. Arena you, know just thinking back
Speaker 3: to a couple of years ago in the, playoffs he
Speaker 3: had one horrific game AT msg and one good game AT.
Speaker 3: MSG i think his overall series against The knicks is you,
Speaker 3: know doesn't get, it gets talked, about is worse than
Speaker 3: it actually. WAS i think he had a solid. Series
Speaker 3: we just didn't have anyone that had a great. Series
Speaker 3: but particularly When garland.
Speaker 1: Has been in a bit of a.
Speaker 3: Funk he's coming off the game Against chicago where he was,
Speaker 3: great but you know that that was kind of a
Speaker 3: one game sample for him to take over the way
Speaker 3: that he did Against New. York you, know shorthanded and you,
Speaker 3: know all the defenses focused on. Him he's splitting doubles
Speaker 3: with With Michail branch and ogn And, Noobi he's finishing
Speaker 3: in traffic out of playmaking was. Phenomenal it was just
Speaker 3: the perfect way to cap off his regular.
Speaker 2: Season, YEAH i THINK i think the stat was that
Speaker 2: he contributed eight of The cavs nine field goals in
Speaker 2: the final eight minutes of the game that he. Played you,
Speaker 2: know between his own buckets for he go six of
Speaker 2: six uh and in a couple of dimes as. Well
Speaker 2: just a complete takeover and a complete control of the.
Speaker 2: Game and you, know those games just feel so special
Speaker 2: when they're like we go As darius goes and.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get a good look every single.
Speaker 2: Time, yeah, like, uh you, know he was really really
Speaker 2: beating up the drop, coverage just Freezing Mitchell robinson or
Speaker 2: og or whoever happened to be in drop uh and
Speaker 2: either getting the getting the float or making the perfect
Speaker 2: the perfect, pass just an absolute dominant way to close
Speaker 2: out the game and Send nick's end of their like
Speaker 2: thirty seventh crisis of the.
Speaker 1: Season you, know.
Speaker 2: You, KNOW i, realized by the, way because now The
Speaker 2: knicks are zero and ten against The, Celtics cavs And,
Speaker 2: thunder AND i realized they've only lost thirty one, games
Speaker 2: so they're fifty one and twenty one.
Speaker 1: Against the rest of the.
Speaker 2: League, yeah, like and they just like they just can't
Speaker 2: hang against These cavs. Teams but like the fact That
Speaker 2: darius at the beginning of the year and at the
Speaker 2: end of the year shuts the door IN msg in
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter and just completely takes over and like
Speaker 2: makes sure that the game he is putting his imprint
Speaker 2: on the.
Speaker 1: Game so.
Speaker 2: COOL i went ahead and pulled this up because, like
Speaker 2: what was Just darius's fourth quarters AT msg this year
Speaker 2: twenty eight, points eleven of thirteen from the, field four
Speaker 2: of five from three and plus seventeen and seventeen point
Speaker 2: two total.
Speaker 1: Minutes my, god.
Speaker 2: My pretty good goodness if, that if you, know and,
Speaker 2: like in in both, instances playoff type crowds like That
Speaker 2: nick crowd was rumbling AT. Msg, yeah and they were
Speaker 2: in that beginning of the, year same thing like they.
Speaker 2: Were it was a big, moment a big, spotlight a
Speaker 2: big kind of. Opportunity and like the fact that he
Speaker 2: he passed with such flying, colors it's hard to even
Speaker 2: call it like AN a. Plus you, know it's like
Speaker 2: off the grading, scale how good he has been against The.
Speaker 2: Knicks and, like, Man i'm sad they didn't land on
Speaker 2: our side of the.
Speaker 3: Bracket let me tell, You, yeah that is a little,
Speaker 3: unfortunate but you, know it's you play who you have to.
Speaker 3: PLAY i would love to beat, Them but, HONESTLY i
Speaker 3: think even if they did land on our side of the,
Speaker 3: BRACKET i don't know if they're getting out of the first,
Speaker 3: round particularly this matchup Against. Detroit he said that they're
Speaker 3: all in ten against the top teams. There they're one
Speaker 3: and three Against detroit and that one win came On november,
Speaker 3: first When detroit was still find in their. Footing But,
Speaker 3: garland you, know he was dominant all season long in
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter and in the. Clutch sixty nine true
Speaker 3: shooting percentage in the clutch this, season which is very.
Speaker 3: Nice they had the best offense in the. Clutch all
Speaker 3: in the ENTIRE, nba they had the best, defense at
Speaker 3: least if you look at the top ten scores in
Speaker 3: the clutch this, Season garland was part of the best
Speaker 3: clutch defense sister turnover ratio of five in the, Clutch,
Speaker 3: like you, know he's not turning the ball. Over he's
Speaker 3: scoring efficiently from, three he's scoring efficiently from the, floor
Speaker 3: and he's scoring efficiently from the free throw, line like
Speaker 3: he was dominating those spots all. Year AND i think
Speaker 3: now that we're past game eighty two here should also
Speaker 3: reflect on the work that he put into bounce back
Speaker 3: from last, season because last season was incredibly difficult for
Speaker 3: him from a physical, standpoint and you look at this.
Speaker 3: Year the two games he missed have after that fall
Speaker 3: versus The, KNICKS i think those are the only ones
Speaker 3: that were like kind of true injury missed. Games the
Speaker 3: rest were all kind of rest. Games and, hey like you,
Speaker 3: know he's got a little something, nagging but we're playing
Speaker 3: it back to back here In, sacramento so we're going to.
Speaker 3: Arrestue it's game eighty, two so we're going to arrest.
Speaker 3: You he played seventy five games this, year and That's
Speaker 3: that's a really really encouraging sign when you know we've
Speaker 3: had conversations about durability in the.
Speaker 1: Past, yeah an encouraging.
Speaker 2: Sign and AS i kind of not mentioned going into
Speaker 2: our last pod and knocked on what And i'll continue
Speaker 2: to knock on.
Speaker 1: WOOD i, mean we're healthy right.
Speaker 2: Now that is so so exciting to kind of have
Speaker 2: in your back. Pocket is, like you, know the closest
Speaker 2: thing we have Is donovan's ankle turn and you, Know
Speaker 2: kenny was pretty clear like me would be playing if
Speaker 2: the game still, mattered.
Speaker 3: And reporting on him going through you, know aggressive, workouts
Speaker 3: and he'll be part of the interest squad scrimmages this,
Speaker 3: week so that that's really nice to. See and, like you,
Speaker 3: know everyone on the roster is going to that is
Speaker 3: expected to be in the play, rotation with the exception
Speaker 3: Of Jared, allen who frankly barely, played you, know and
Speaker 3: big shouts to him for getting all e the.
Speaker 2: Two we should definitely give him his flowers as. Well
Speaker 2: but everyone else is going to have at least eight
Speaker 2: days eight days off between that their last, game That friday,
Speaker 2: game and then the first game of the round. One
Speaker 2: so it's just it feels like if you wanted to
Speaker 2: control for outside, elements you aren't as controlled as you
Speaker 2: can possibly. Be, Yep and THERE'S i mean there's some
Speaker 2: piece that comes with, that you.
Speaker 3: Know, absolutely and you know it's AND i think credit
Speaker 3: has to go to the, players has to go to
Speaker 3: the coaching, staff has to go To Kobe altman in
Speaker 3: the front office for putting together the. Debt that they
Speaker 3: were able to take this kind of long term approach all,
Speaker 3: season it's really really. Encouraging they they've put them and
Speaker 3: they've earned the position that they're. In you, know that's
Speaker 3: we're we're in a better position from a health standpoint
Speaker 3: heading into the you know after game eighty two Than boston.
Speaker 3: Is Jalen brown's getting knee injections to try to manage
Speaker 3: the pain. There, Right that's that's something that's going to
Speaker 3: be worth keeping an eye. On it's it's a better
Speaker 3: position that they've been in that they've been. In you,
Speaker 3: know since we've been covering this, run you didn't know
Speaker 3: If Jared allen was going to play in the, play
Speaker 3: and he missed the first game and then the second.
Speaker 3: One he was playing through a hell of a lot
Speaker 3: of pain basically only using his left hand going into
Speaker 3: the next. Series isaacacuoro had, missed you, know several the
Speaker 3: last few weeks of the, season and it was a
Speaker 3: question of can he managed the pain and play through
Speaker 3: the pain in that. Series last year Obviously donovan's, Knee
Speaker 3: darius was a shell of. Himself, like this is just
Speaker 3: a much much better situation to be, in And I'm i'm.
Speaker 3: Curious i'm really really curious to see how this is
Speaker 3: all going to. Translate i'm feeling incredibly. OPTIMISTIC i feel
Speaker 3: incredibly it's not even. Optimistic i'm feeling incredibly. CONFIDENT i
Speaker 3: think that this team has absolutely has what it takes
Speaker 3: to win a championship this. Year and what we're going
Speaker 3: to see is have they learned enough from the past
Speaker 3: and are they able to be quick learners and learn
Speaker 3: the lessons that they haven't yet learned in the playoffs
Speaker 3: or at least they haven't demonstrated, yet because there is
Speaker 3: going to still be a learning. Curve like they've learned a,
Speaker 3: LOT i would assume from the past couple of, years
Speaker 3: But Kenny atkinson hasn't coached outside the first. ROUND a
Speaker 3: lot of these, Guys Max druson And Tristan thompson are
Speaker 3: the only guys that have been beyond the second. Round
Speaker 3: there's going to be some learning to. Do and thinking
Speaker 3: back to that Second lebron, RUN i remember How kyrie
Speaker 3: And tristan learned along the. Way even Though kyrie was
Speaker 3: playing through some. INJURIES i thought that there were strides
Speaker 3: that he made in that, postseason AND i think we're
Speaker 3: going to need to see the same thing From, darius From,
Speaker 3: evan from basically everyone on this team that hasn't been there.
Speaker 1: Before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah they're going to have To they're to have to,
Speaker 2: Perform they're going to have to show their. Quality AND
Speaker 2: i do want to ask that because you mentioned your
Speaker 2: level of, confidence and you, KNOW i feel really good
Speaker 2: about the health of the. TEAM i feel really good
Speaker 2: about the talent level of the. Team they did finish
Speaker 2: their last sixteen games eight and. Eight, okay now context.
Speaker 2: Abounds you, know like two of those losses were ones
Speaker 2: you know you could probably categorize is they didn't work
Speaker 2: that hard to win them in terms of the rotational
Speaker 2: and roster choices they, made you, know getting guys, rest et.
Speaker 1: Cetera but does it does that.
Speaker 2: In any way affect your confidence that they win eight
Speaker 2: and eight down down the stretch run.
Speaker 3: Not even, slightly Because donovan looked really good in his
Speaker 3: last couple of games And darius looked really good in
Speaker 3: his last couple of, Games and that was pretty much
Speaker 3: the only question THAT i. Had AND i think that
Speaker 3: the time is going to do them a lot of.
Speaker 3: Good but this is a team THAT i think showed
Speaker 3: throughout this season when they had their little, ruts they bounced,
Speaker 3: back they bounced back. Strong and you, know even in
Speaker 3: that in innate, stretch there were some really good performances
Speaker 3: there when they turned it.
Speaker 1: On they turned it.
Speaker 3: On even with the guards not shooting particularly. Well it
Speaker 3: doesn't factor in even one percent into you, know my
Speaker 3: mental calculations. Here my confidence is sky high AND i
Speaker 3: feel really good about any of the perspective for matchups
Speaker 3: in the first, Round.
Speaker 1: Well, Yeah i'm not really talking about first.
Speaker 2: Round they nothing they could have done to close the
Speaker 2: season would have me really wondering if they could win
Speaker 2: the first.
Speaker 1: Round i'm just saying that from taking a step at
Speaker 1: a time.
Speaker 2: Here like like what about for, like you, know like
Speaker 2: to take it a step, further like like against a
Speaker 2: team Like indiana who's playing unbelievably good, basketball, like and
Speaker 2: they're in great. Form you, know does the end of
Speaker 2: the season affect how you feel about that or even
Speaker 2: going up to the next series Against, boston like where you?
Speaker 1: Go all? RIGHT i still intellectually know.
Speaker 2: We could win that, series but they haven't shown forty
Speaker 2: eight minutes of elite basketball in a minute for me
Speaker 2: to know that they're going to be able to call
Speaker 2: on it or. Whatever And i'm just ASKING.
Speaker 1: I stand on all of.
Speaker 3: It what's changed for me With indiana is the level
Speaker 3: of respect THAT i have for. Them the level THAT
Speaker 3: i think The calves need to play up to to
Speaker 3: win that, series you, know in five six, GAMES i
Speaker 3: think is higher THAN i would have thought it was
Speaker 3: a month. Ago my level of confidence is still very.
Speaker 3: High and WHAT i would say, IS i do not
Speaker 3: think a team in the first two rounds of the
Speaker 3: playoffs can beat The.
Speaker 1: Calves you don't think that they. CAN i don't think they.
Speaker 3: CAN i think The, calves if they were to lose
Speaker 3: in the first, ROUNDS i think they would beat. Themselves
Speaker 3: AND i don't think. EITHER i don't think any of
Speaker 3: the matchups that they would have in these first two
Speaker 3: rounds are good enough to put them in a position
Speaker 3: where they would beat.
Speaker 1: Themselves so it would.
Speaker 3: Be in my, opinion it would be you, know individual
Speaker 3: collapses or you, know something catastrophic that you can't.
Speaker 1: Control BUT i don't think any.
Speaker 3: Of these teams are at the tier that they can
Speaker 3: straight up beat The calves in the. SERIES i think
Speaker 3: it would be The calves not executing in them falling
Speaker 3: apart in ways that would, force you, know real conversations
Speaker 3: about where this team is.
Speaker 2: GOING i feel like that's a little bit of a tomato,
Speaker 2: tomato you, know, like if The calves fall, apart isn't
Speaker 2: it a little bit because someone helped them do?
Speaker 3: So you, know, like, no, no, No i'm not Giving
Speaker 3: india any credit.
Speaker 1: There i'm purely self reflecting. THERE i. THINK i don't,
Speaker 1: KNOW i think that there is A.
Speaker 2: I DON'T i need The cavs to earn that level
Speaker 2: of like fe confidence in a postseason you, know, again
Speaker 2: it all is going to ride back. ON i, think,
Speaker 2: Hey i've kind of peppered you with these. QUESTIONS i
Speaker 2: haven't really answered, myself which isn't very. Fair What i'll
Speaker 2: say is the, slump the extended you, know month long
Speaker 2: slump from three did show me like how the ceiling
Speaker 2: can drop for this team a little, bit and how
Speaker 2: some of their you, know and just like everyone right
Speaker 2: when your ceiling, drops like where are the spots where
Speaker 2: your floor is going to stay.
Speaker 1: High enough to? Survive you?
Speaker 2: Know and like there were some times WHERE i felt, like,
Speaker 2: well it's just like they're just so dependent on that
Speaker 2: three point volume to get them back into a rhythm
Speaker 2: that if they go into a playoff series and they're
Speaker 2: getting scouted like crazy and the threes are all twenty percent,
Speaker 2: harder you, know are they going to be a little
Speaker 2: more vulnerable than we want them to? Be so like
Speaker 2: there are SO i will, say like writ large the
Speaker 2: eight and eight stretched in the, year maybe it.
Speaker 1: Affected my opinion like five to ten.
Speaker 2: Percent you, know Maybe i'm a little five five to
Speaker 2: ten percent more anxious THEN i would be. Otherwise but
Speaker 2: like they can absolutely change that with a dominant first
Speaker 2: round playoff, Series LIKE i really do think that is
Speaker 2: going to tell me a, Lot like if they are
Speaker 2: PLAYING i don't, know let's say they play The hawks
Speaker 2: or The magic of The bulls or you, know or
Speaker 2: they heat any of them really AND.
Speaker 1: I think you save money says it probably will.
Speaker 2: Be one of those four all the all the betting experts,
Speaker 2: say but if they do play one of them and
Speaker 2: they and they win in four or, five and it's
Speaker 2: like three of them are ass, kickings it's, like all, right, nope,
Speaker 2: nope that was just their. Board but if it's a hard,
Speaker 2: SERIES i do, think oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah then you, know my confidence is going to
Speaker 3: be very shaken if that happens in the first.
Speaker 1: Round don't get me, wrong but that's.
Speaker 3: Fair i'm almost just taking it from like an inverse
Speaker 3: position Where i'm assuming because everything that they went through was, logical,
Speaker 3: Right like that was a month and a bit from,
Speaker 3: hell where they were just consistently on the. Road they
Speaker 3: were dealing with some nagging, stuff the slumps that we
Speaker 3: saw from all of the. Guards then you, know you
Speaker 3: see Ty jerome come back from some time off and
Speaker 3: he looks. Fantastic you see them have an extended stretch
Speaker 3: where they're at home or not traveling a whole, bunch
Speaker 3: And darius looks really, Good donovan looks really. Good like
Speaker 3: that correlation is just at the forefront of my mind,
Speaker 3: here So i'm, like, well this is confirming my, Priors
Speaker 3: So i'm not going to move off of my, priors
Speaker 3: And i'm right back to that level of. Confidence and you,
Speaker 3: know do you literally the only thing That i'm sitting
Speaker 3: here disappointed about On, Sunday april thirteenth IS i think
Speaker 3: sixty five would have looked. BETTER i would have liked
Speaker 3: to have see them get that. Win but you, Know
Speaker 3: I'm i'm not sitting here with a lot of concerns
Speaker 3: going into the. PLAYOFFS i feel really really good about
Speaker 3: their ability.
Speaker 1: To make it out of The Eastern conference right.
Speaker 2: Now, WELL i think it's also reflective of like what
Speaker 2: we think of The east right, now you, know ye
Speaker 2: like dame out for the foreseeable future In, milwaukee you,
Speaker 2: Know indiana with you, know really solid, team but not
Speaker 2: a team that's like screams high end ceiling to. You
Speaker 2: boston going through their ups and downs of A i,
Speaker 2: mean still a great year for, them, no, no no
Speaker 2: shade in their, direction but like you, know they don't
Speaker 2: look as devastating as they were last year at, times
Speaker 2: and then like even and then The cavs have a higher,
Speaker 2: seat you, know like they just straight up their one.
Speaker 2: Seat AND i don't THINK i think it's probably fair
Speaker 2: to say that we don't respect any of the seven through.
Speaker 2: Ten uh perspective opponents the way we respected last Year's magic,
Speaker 2: team especially.
Speaker 1: ME i love That magic. Team last. YEAR i thought
Speaker 1: they WERE i knew they were.
Speaker 3: Going to be hard to, beat and they were near
Speaker 3: the top of the conference and drop down because of.
Speaker 1: Injuries it was very similar to, us.
Speaker 2: Right so so for, ME i was like with them last,
Speaker 2: YEAR i was, LIKE i expect a hard, Series so
Speaker 2: when a hard series, Comes i'm not going to be.
Speaker 2: Shook everyone else can be, shook But i'm not BECAUSE
Speaker 2: i thought this was going seven in the first. Place and,
Speaker 2: uh but we felt.
Speaker 3: Really confident after The game one and two blowouts where
Speaker 3: The cavs just handled.
Speaker 2: Them, YEAH i mean for, sure but LIKE i did
Speaker 2: think they were going to CounterPunch and they. Did but whereas,
Speaker 2: This i'm, Like i'm expecting a four or a five game,
Speaker 2: Series so if it extends, longer, Yeah i'm gonna be
Speaker 2: a little.
Speaker 1: Shook, YEP i would be. Too could not agree.
Speaker 3: More what a fun season, Though, Yeah i'm really really.
Speaker 3: Confident CAN i pop quiz you for a second? Here,
Speaker 3: sure what do you think The celtics starting line up with?
Speaker 3: Porzingis what their net rating?
Speaker 2: Is versus The cavs this, Season, uh minus five point
Speaker 2: five minus forty?
Speaker 1: Two how many? Minutes what do you think? Of how many?
Speaker 1: MINUTES i THINK i can't.
Speaker 3: RECALL i don't have that. Available it's not a. TON
Speaker 3: i think it might be like, thirty might be thirty
Speaker 3: or something like. That last YEAR'S i think got up
Speaker 3: over one. Hundred who want to guess where it was
Speaker 3: last year With. Porzingis i'm going to go the opposite.
Speaker 3: Way i'm going to say is plus nine plus or
Speaker 3: sorry minus?
Speaker 1: Ten oh, wow we're just not worried about their. STARTERS
Speaker 1: i Guess i'm you.
Speaker 3: Know once, again this goes to show you how many
Speaker 3: minutes you need for things to. Normalize but even with
Speaker 3: all the struggles that The caves have had Against, PORZINGIS
Speaker 3: i think he does give them fits on the. Interior
Speaker 3: not a lineup that has had success against The, calves
Speaker 3: and it's not a lineup that has had success this season.
Speaker 3: Period SO I i really think it's a fair. Fight
Speaker 3: LIKE i said last, podcast if both teams are fully,
Speaker 3: HEALTHY i think you play that series over ten.
Speaker 1: Times The calves win for.
Speaker 3: Them calves have the ability, to just like at the
Speaker 3: start of the season WHERE i SAID i feel like
Speaker 3: there's at least a five percent chance we can win a.
Speaker 3: Championship what The cavs do over the first two rounds
Speaker 3: is going to either increase or decrease my confidence there
Speaker 3: WHERE i can, say, hey fifty to fifty even if
Speaker 3: both teams are fully, healthy and if both teams aren't fully,
Speaker 3: healthy and you, know The Jalen brown knee injury starts,
Speaker 3: lingering then you got a real opportunity. Here but The
Speaker 3: calves need to show that they can get this offense
Speaker 3: to translate to the, playoffs and they need to show
Speaker 3: that they have matured enough to execute at a high
Speaker 3: enough level to beat a team as good As boston
Speaker 3: in a. Series you can't have those first quarters that
Speaker 3: you had, before those sixteen old runs that you gave
Speaker 3: up in the regular. Season you're going to have to
Speaker 3: find a way to mitigate that and get it down
Speaker 3: to an eight o run Because boston's going to have those.
Speaker 3: Runs boston's going to you, know win a game by
Speaker 3: twenty in that. Series you're going to need to come
Speaker 3: out and not look shook the next game and execute
Speaker 3: at a, high high. Level that's the things THAT i
Speaker 3: have not yet seen from this team in the. Playoffs
Speaker 3: but they've shown me a lot this, season and they've
Speaker 3: shown me that their composure is at a much much
Speaker 3: higher level against the best teams in the, league and
Speaker 3: particularly in the.
Speaker 2: Clutch, yeah the clutch stuff does feel the, best you,
Speaker 2: know feels the maybe the most important piece of data
Speaker 2: available to. Us that's like shows that there's going to
Speaker 2: be something a little different for them in the playoffs
Speaker 2: and then we're not going to have This mondo drop.
Speaker 2: UP i also think just the straight up baseline is,
Speaker 2: higher which.
Speaker 3: Helps there is one other factor that gives me a
Speaker 3: lot of, confidence and That's Evan.
Speaker 1: Mobley, sure so much. Better that's better this.
Speaker 2: Year what do you think The cavs highest offensive rating
Speaker 2: was last year in the playoffs last and these individual
Speaker 2: game it was one twenty eight Against boston in that
Speaker 2: uber fun win In game.
Speaker 1: Two that's. Right the next highest was one twelve point.
Speaker 2: Six, really it just never really gone that, good and,
Speaker 2: like that's kind of and Then i'm pulling up last
Speaker 2: year their highest was one sixteen point three in their.
Speaker 2: Win their next highest was one oh four point four
Speaker 2: two years ago in that five game.
Speaker 1: Series so like they are there are real questions to.
Speaker 2: ANSWER i need to see four or five games in
Speaker 2: a row with you at one, sixteen, one, seventeen one.
Speaker 2: Eighteen Like i'd almost rather see that than one outlier
Speaker 2: game at like one forty and then a bunch in
Speaker 2: the one. Tens you, Know, yeah like they've got to
Speaker 2: got to got to score and u and it and
Speaker 2: UNTIL i see it in the. PLAYOFFS i do think
Speaker 2: that anxiety is just as a, fan isn't gonna go,
Speaker 2: away even Though i've got a lot of good data
Speaker 2: and evidence to support that it should be.
Speaker 1: Better but, Yeah i'm gonna be angsty about, it, DUDE
Speaker 1: i just don't see a way around it for. Me that's.
Speaker 3: Fair do you wanna before we get out of, here
Speaker 3: do you want to get some predictions for THE e
Speaker 3: series that we do, Know bucks And pacers And Pistons.
Speaker 2: Nicks, SURE i THINK i think that that's a perfect
Speaker 2: series for The. Knicks LIKE i THINK i think like
Speaker 2: The pistons kind of have to play a very similar
Speaker 2: way to The knicks in the sense that like they
Speaker 2: have one lead creator and and then you, know and
Speaker 2: then a bunch of like set tertiary creators at, best you,
Speaker 2: know and The knicks have one of the best bulldogs
Speaker 2: to throw out a lead creator in THE nba in
Speaker 2: Og AND i don't think The pistons have the size
Speaker 2: to punish The knicks for putting their power forward on
Speaker 2: their point.
Speaker 1: Guard you.
Speaker 2: Know Like duran is a very one of MY pec.
Speaker 2: HATS i love Watching Jalen duran, play but like he's
Speaker 2: not just gonna mash guys in the, post you. Know and,
Speaker 2: LIKE i JUST i don't. KNOW i think they're gonna
Speaker 2: win that. SERIES i think they're gonna win it relatively
Speaker 2: handily in like five. Games and then for The Pacers,
Speaker 2: BUCKS i don't, know, MAN i feel, like you, know
Speaker 2: The bucks have won eight games in a. ROW i
Speaker 2: was vaguely aware of. THAT i was not aware of
Speaker 2: that UNTIL i just.
Speaker 1: Got To issues always doing good, Work and, UH i don't.
Speaker 2: KNOW i just THINK i think The pacers are going
Speaker 2: to be wildly heavily favored in that. Series AND i
Speaker 2: just think the honest thing matters a.
Speaker 1: Lot it's it's going to take it at least six or.
Speaker 1: Seven he's going to average forty for the.
Speaker 3: Series, YEAH i think Ultimately i'm going to pick The
Speaker 3: pacers in. Six BUT i can absolutely See giannis winning that.
Speaker 3: SERIES i don't Think.
Speaker 1: Dan bucks and seven screw, it you, KNOW i like?
Speaker 3: That, okay all, Right i'll Go pacers and. Six you
Speaker 3: Go bucks and, Seven And i'm going to go the
Speaker 3: opposite way of. You On Piston's, Knicks i'm Picking detroit
Speaker 3: in SIX. Jb Bickerstaft's revenge. Series The knicks were one
Speaker 3: and three Against detroit throughout the. Season they really had
Speaker 3: a lot of trouble with. That i'm not a believer
Speaker 3: In Karl Anthony towns in the. PLAYOFFS i Think Kate
Speaker 3: cunningham did a really really good job Defending Jalen brunson all,
Speaker 3: season and they got they got, shooting they got, physicality
Speaker 3: they have.
Speaker 1: Depth JB's been running a deprotation.
Speaker 3: THERE i Think detroit's going to shock the world and
Speaker 3: beat a emotionally hurt next team because they seem to
Speaker 3: be going through a lot right.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah just pull it up On fandal just to.
Speaker 2: Check The pistons are plus three forty four, thirty so
Speaker 2: pretty pretty. Heavy dogs And pacers are minus two thirty
Speaker 2: and The bucks are plus one.
Speaker 1: Ninety SO i don't.
Speaker 3: Know IF i, GAMBLED i might jump on That detroit,
Speaker 3: One BUT i DON'T.
Speaker 2: I just don't know IF i would weigh those that far.
Speaker 2: Apart you, KNOW i think both of those are closer
Speaker 2: in terms of the overall matchup then maybe than maybe
Speaker 2: the number, show BUT i would Pick nickson.
Speaker 3: Five all, Right, Well i'm Going detroit in, six so,
Speaker 3: well it'll be fun to track who's right on that.
Speaker 1: One.
Speaker 3: Jb getting revenge against The knicks would be a lot of.
Speaker 3: Fun and then going up Against. BOSTON i want a
Speaker 3: world Where boston has to go Through orlando And detroit
Speaker 3: just from a physical standpoint before they make The Eastern conference.
Speaker 3: Finals so Maybe i'm Maybe i'm letting my hopes and
Speaker 3: dreams get the best of me.
Speaker 1: Real quick Out. West that's.
Speaker 2: Interesting couldn't have broken better bracket wise for The, Lakers,
Speaker 2: YEAH i. Know then getting The Tea, wolves a, weird
Speaker 2: messy T wolves, season and with you, know one of
Speaker 2: the Great gobert torturers Of gobert's career In, luca you,
Speaker 2: know one of the guys who makes his life horrible
Speaker 2: and seems to really relish. It so there's, that and
Speaker 2: then and then you know they're on the side of
Speaker 2: the bracket with The, rockets who no one really believes
Speaker 2: in if we're being really honest and as a postseason,
Speaker 2: team and then it's you, know the play in morass
Speaker 2: Of Golden. State if it's not The, rockets you're gonna
Speaker 2: Play Golden, State, Memphis, sacramento Or. Dallas AND i think
Speaker 2: The lakers would be heavily favored in all those except
Speaker 2: against The.
Speaker 3: Warriors SO i was hoping for The warriors to win
Speaker 3: this game. TODAY i wanted them to play The lakers
Speaker 3: in the first, round But jimmy's a little banged. Up
Speaker 3: maybe maybe a series against The rockets to get a
Speaker 3: little healthier would do some. Good Because I'm i'm firmly
Speaker 3: rooting against The.
Speaker 2: Lakers, Oh i'm firmly rooting for, Them SO i know
Speaker 2: you BECAUSE i want A Lebron Cavs finals so. BAD
Speaker 2: i think the ratings would be. BANANAS i think the
Speaker 2: excitement would be. Bananas there would be so many interesting.
Speaker 1: STORYLINES i, MEAN i want that, too BECAUSE i don't
Speaker 1: think they're that. Good, Well i'm not a. Believer, also
Speaker 1: and here's WHERE i here's WHERE i get.
Speaker 2: SELFISH i think they're the team with the best chance
Speaker 2: of beating The thunder in The, west AND i if
Speaker 2: The calves are getting to the, FINALS i would rather
Speaker 2: play The lakers than The.
Speaker 3: THUNDER i mean, Yeah and you, know in any of
Speaker 3: the other, ones Like, Denver i'm kind of ruling out
Speaker 3: after Fiery Michael.
Speaker 1: MALONE i just you, KNOW i.
Speaker 3: DON'T i don't think that's a move you make and
Speaker 3: then make THE Nba, finals you, know any of you,
Speaker 3: know The lakers Or warriors would be very fun. Storylines
Speaker 3: if you Get chapter five against The, warriors that would
Speaker 3: be absolutely.
Speaker 1: Ridiculous, YEAH i just. DON'T i don't think The warriors
Speaker 1: are good.
Speaker 2: Enough SO i don't think, that you, know, like you,
Speaker 2: KNOW i THINK i think in The west three teams
Speaker 2: can make the, finals AND i think it's, okay See
Speaker 2: lakers And.
Speaker 3: Nuggets really, OKAY i Give Golden state a better chance
Speaker 3: than The nuggets at this. Point nuggets have the best
Speaker 3: player in the, world so that does tend to.
Speaker 2: Matter IF i am so so so biased Toward nicola
Speaker 2: jokicch who is my favorite player to watch in the.
Speaker 3: League so he's a. Genius he's a lot of. FUN
Speaker 3: i can't fault you. There but Now I'm I'm i'm. Excited,
Speaker 3: man the playoffs are finally. HERE i feel like we've
Speaker 3: learned a lot about this group over eighty two, games
Speaker 3: and now we're going to learn some lessons that you
Speaker 3: can only learn in the. Playoffs and you, KNOW i
Speaker 3: hope what we learn is overwhelmingly, positive because that would
Speaker 3: would just be building off what turned out to be
Speaker 3: one of my favorite regular seasons of all.
Speaker 2: Time oh, yeah, brother we're. Here we did. It we did, It, Joe.
Speaker 1: We are finally.
Speaker 3: Here we will be Podcasting wednesday after the Second East Playing,
Speaker 3: game just so that we know who is actually, competing
Speaker 3: or at least have an idea who the two teams may.
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