Speaker 1: Yes, y'all, welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher. I'm
Speaker 1: your host, Rams, this job.
Speaker 2: Called me q Ward and it just so happens to
Speaker 2: be my name, Ramses. What's up, bro, everything in the world. Man,
Speaker 2: back in the building to talk more about the state
Speaker 2: of the Union. I like how you put that. You
Speaker 2: sounded very presidential, if you will.
Speaker 1: Indeed, that is the vibe that I'm going for here.
Speaker 1: You know, we haven't had a lot of examples of
Speaker 1: that in recent times, trying to trying to make sure
Speaker 1: I set the tone for things to come.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, here we are on you know, the other
Speaker 1: side of a presidential campaign, or.
Speaker 2: What we hope is the other side of it, well.
Speaker 1: The election part of it, yes, indeed, But the first
Speaker 1: thing that we have to talk about is where we
Speaker 1: stand right now, which is Donald Trump's repeated, uh baseless
Speaker 1: uh claims that this election was somehow stolen from him
Speaker 1: and what that means on all sides. So I know
Speaker 1: you're you've been listening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't help it, man, I haven't. I have
Speaker 2: yet to exhale from the announced results because of, you know,
Speaker 2: the continuous claims of fraud from the other side.
Speaker 1: Right, well, I'm gonna say something that I believe needs
Speaker 1: to be said. This appears to me I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to assume too many people like a bona fide loss
Speaker 1: through the lens of or or on the terms of
Speaker 1: rather Donald Trump, where if it's possible for him to
Speaker 1: cast doubt on it so that he can say face,
Speaker 1: he'll do it. His ego is obviously very badly bruised,
Speaker 1: and he's an egomaniac, has been well documented during his
Speaker 1: time as president, and anything that he can do. I
Speaker 1: don't know that this is as much another power grab
Speaker 1: as it is his feelings are hurt, you know, and
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to have to carry that stain with
Speaker 1: him to the grave. And that's not to say that
Speaker 1: he would not like to hang on to power. I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's having a great time telling everybody what to
Speaker 1: do and everyone having a bow before him. But I
Speaker 1: think above all else, you know, his ego seems to
Speaker 1: reign supreme over everything that he does, everything that he is,
Speaker 1: and that's always been the case even before he was president,
Speaker 1: from what I knew of him, and so at this
Speaker 1: point it really just feels like his feelings are hurt,
Speaker 1: and if he can confuse his exit, have his exit
Speaker 1: from the White House muddled in uncertainty, that he can
Speaker 1: save a little bit of face.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just like whenever you you know, you know, being
Speaker 1: little when playing video games, you know, versus your brothers
Speaker 1: and sisters or cousins or whatever it is, whoever's the
Speaker 1: better player wins, right, we all know that. But if
Speaker 1: somebody says, oh, you cheated, well, it's not possible to
Speaker 1: cheat on video games, so it's very unlikely, you know.
Speaker 1: But the implication there is that if we were both
Speaker 1: playing the same game, I would win, and then they
Speaker 1: can save a little bit of face. Their ego's not
Speaker 1: as bruised, and hopefully they can come back and you know,
Speaker 1: if they win the second time, they could say see
Speaker 1: I told you, and they complete and validates their first laws. Right,
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't mean to call the president
Speaker 1: a child, Yes I do.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, why don't you was gonna be my question?
Speaker 1: No, I just the analogy kind of painted the picture there,
Speaker 1: and so I kind of saw the shot, had to
Speaker 1: take it. But the unfortunate consequence of that behavior is
Speaker 1: that and I know it's been said. But it undermines
Speaker 1: our democracy. It undermines people's faith in our democracy. There's
Speaker 1: already you know, most people who are eligible to vote
Speaker 1: don't participate in all the elections that they can, not
Speaker 1: just presidential elections, but midterm elections as well. It's just
Speaker 1: not as big of a deal to them. And you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of folks feel very disconnected from the system,
Speaker 1: and therefore they don't feel compelled to cast a vote
Speaker 1: for every election. But something like this further erodes the
Speaker 1: American population's confidence in our.
Speaker 2: Election systems, in the entire democratic process exactly.
Speaker 1: And to spare this one man's ego, he's going to
Speaker 1: take that away from seventy million people.
Speaker 2: They voted for him, And the biggest problem with that,
Speaker 2: in my eyes, is that such a large percentage of
Speaker 2: those people didn't just vote for him, but they believe
Speaker 2: in him, yeah, and are going to take very very
Speaker 2: seriously his claims of some sort of injustice here, sure
Speaker 2: of some sort of of him being shorter in some way,
Speaker 2: of the game not being played fair. And that's the
Speaker 2: part that's so discouraging. Sure, right, it's very discouraging that
Speaker 2: seventy million people want more of President Trump, but even
Speaker 2: more so that seventy seemingly intelligent adults wholeheartedly believe in
Speaker 2: what he sells them and for lack of better have
Speaker 2: to move forward themselves feeling cheated themselves.
Speaker 1: You know, the worst part of this is that instead
Speaker 1: of those seventy million people coming to terms with perhaps
Speaker 1: a flawed ideology that they have that they carry, come
Speaker 1: into terms with the fact that, you know, their party,
Speaker 1: political party, political affiliation might be on the wrong path,
Speaker 1: rather than come to terms with the fact that you
Speaker 1: know they back the wrong horse, whatever whatever it is.
Speaker 1: You know, instead of coming to terms with those things
Speaker 1: like normal folks would do, they'd sit down reassess, Okay,
Speaker 1: who am I, where do I live? What is what
Speaker 1: is our nature? You know what I mean? Why did
Speaker 1: we lose this one? How do we move forward? You know,
Speaker 1: this is typically how societies evolved. You know, if if
Speaker 1: the next ten elections are all democratic, you'll find that
Speaker 1: the Republican party will adopt some democratic philosophies and then
Speaker 1: both parties will have to evolve in that direction. That's
Speaker 1: typically what happens because people are able to sit with
Speaker 1: the losses and find out what went wrong, who they
Speaker 1: are who the society is? Where are what are people's values? Now?
Speaker 1: Do you understand? And so what's happening by this man
Speaker 1: filing all these lawsuits and all these different states alleging
Speaker 1: widespread voter fraud and somehow, you know, millions of people
Speaker 1: have You know, if the illegal ballots were encountered, he
Speaker 1: would win the popular vote as well. I know for
Speaker 1: a fact he said that certainly on his first election,
Speaker 1: because the alleged voter fraud then as well. And you know,
Speaker 1: out of all the cases of voter fraud going all
Speaker 1: the way back, you know, Google is free. You know,
Speaker 1: anything that's been substantiated is it's measured in I believe,
Speaker 1: the hundreds out of the billions of ballots that have
Speaker 1: been cast in this country's history.
Speaker 2: So even if it's even if it measures or counts
Speaker 2: in the thousands.
Speaker 1: But it's measured in the hundreds. So it's a minuscule issue,
Speaker 1: and it's largely caught. It's very, very difficult to do,
Speaker 1: and this is part of the reason why we have
Speaker 1: faith in our democracy. There are systems in place. This
Speaker 1: is why we have faith in our currency. There are
Speaker 1: systems in place to ensure that the bottom doesn't fall out,
Speaker 1: because even if Donald Trump was the president for eight years,
Speaker 1: he's not going to be the president forever, even if
Speaker 1: he tried to be, He's going to die. There's only
Speaker 1: you know, the only certainties in life are death and taxes. Well, sorry,
Speaker 1: I take that backs. Obviously Donald Trump doesn't clearly, So
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong clearly, but I still that went out.
Speaker 1: I do believe that the grim reaper comes for all
Speaker 1: of us. You know, everyone has their day, and so
Speaker 1: this democracy, this country has to continue, and so there
Speaker 1: are systems in place to protect the long term interest
Speaker 1: of this company. And for him to just in one
Speaker 1: fill swoop level all these baseless claims that erode the
Speaker 1: trust in those systems, the trust that his grandchildren and
Speaker 1: great grandchildren are going to have to need in place
Speaker 1: in order to continue to function in the society. Again,
Speaker 1: suggest just how inflated this man's ego is. You know.
Speaker 2: Interesting. I don't know if it was a Freudian slip
Speaker 2: or not, but you said this company instead of this country,
Speaker 2: and either word works ironically. Sure, sure this corporation that
Speaker 2: we pledge allegiance to, that was a that was a
Speaker 2: good slip. I enjoyed it. Even if it wasn't intentional.
Speaker 1: I like that though, Let's roll with that for a second,
Speaker 1: because I think that that sort of speaks to why
Speaker 1: we had a Donald Trump in the first place. There's there's,
Speaker 1: you know, this celebrity crazed society that we live in. Already,
Speaker 1: people used to accuse about Obama of being a celebrity.
Speaker 1: He's like too cool for the office. Right.
Speaker 2: It's really ironic when you start thinking about the things
Speaker 2: that he was accused for and criticized for, and then
Speaker 2: you look at the guy that's in there now and
Speaker 2: all of those same critics seem to have developed amnesia
Speaker 2: or developed an entirely new set of moral principles. Their
Speaker 2: entire core has been replaced.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, in any case, you know, and it's really
Speaker 1: tough to juxtapose the presidencies because they're really apples and oranges.
Speaker 1: It's two different things. But the point I was making
Speaker 1: is that if you're getting someone to run your company,
Speaker 1: typically you will try to get someone who has a
Speaker 1: record of success. You know, someone who has actually had
Speaker 1: the experience, oftentimes from the ground up. You know, someone
Speaker 1: who had values. You know everyone who's involved in the uh,
Speaker 1: you know, all of your stakeholders, in your in your business.
Speaker 1: And Donald Trump's failures almost ring louder than his successes.
Speaker 1: You know, his successes have always, you know, been alleged
Speaker 1: to be baseless or otherwise inflated, and as it turns out,
Speaker 1: they very much are. But his failures have been you know,
Speaker 1: broadcast to the world. You know, his casino failures, his
Speaker 1: stake failures is university failures, and they like he can't teach.
Speaker 1: And none of that mattered, the fact that he was
Speaker 1: a celebrity, the fact that I heard it said before
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump is a poor man's version of a
Speaker 1: rich man. And for folks who live in the middle
Speaker 1: of this country, as we've seen from the electoral the
Speaker 1: the elect election maps, as those are monitored, you know,
Speaker 1: and I do understand this, there's a lot of folks
Speaker 1: who are white, who are middle class to poor, a
Speaker 1: lot of these people, a whole lot of these people,
Speaker 1: and they feel like everyone hates them for being white.
Speaker 1: They feel like they don't you know, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Life feels a little different for them as they age, right,
Speaker 1: it feels like they're more and more pushed out of
Speaker 1: the conversation. Now you and I Q know the truth,
Speaker 1: and that's that well, more people are taking their rightful
Speaker 1: place at the table of humanity, but from their perspective
Speaker 1: in their lives, where it's a very limited view of
Speaker 1: the world. If you're in Kansas and you grew up
Speaker 1: in farm country, you know, on a farm, farming, than
Speaker 1: what you know is farming, you don't know anything about,
Speaker 1: you know. And we're very fortunate living in big cities,
Speaker 1: our whole lives where we get you know, the richness
Speaker 1: and the diversity that comes along with being a part
Speaker 1: of the human family. Excuse me. So these people who
Speaker 1: you know, you know, they're they're in their limited view
Speaker 1: of what success looks like. That the name Trump, to
Speaker 1: his credit, has been marketed in such a way to
Speaker 1: where it's synonymous with wealth. Maybe not success, but wealth,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's what we all want. Capitalism compels
Speaker 1: us to pursue wealth, not happiness, not time with our family,
Speaker 1: not health, wealth, you know. And I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: make light of wealth, because obviously wealth is good too,
Speaker 1: but it seems to be the only thing or the
Speaker 1: thing that reigns supreme until your health starts to decline,
Speaker 1: and then you realize that money can't ask Steve Jobs,
Speaker 1: wealth can't buy you health, true to push Tea. So
Speaker 1: we end up in it in a situation where these
Speaker 1: peopleeople in Middle America have this celebrity businessman as far
Speaker 1: as they know, who is wealthy, and they think success
Speaker 1: is going to tell them the truth. They think that
Speaker 1: he cares about them. Donald Trump obviously has never cared
Speaker 1: about anyone besides Donald Trump. And he suggests to them
Speaker 1: he speaks their language. And you know, obviously, no matter
Speaker 1: what their reality is their reality. So I don't want
Speaker 1: to take that from them. That's not fair to do.
Speaker 1: That'd be the same as if someone came to me
Speaker 1: and says, Will Ramses, why are you worried about the police?
Speaker 1: You live in a nice house and you have, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot more than most people have, and you get
Speaker 1: to be on the radio and television and everything. What
Speaker 1: do you have to worry about? And it's just not
Speaker 1: a fair conversation. So I don't want to take that
Speaker 1: away from these people. Obviously I have a different view
Speaker 1: of what's happening. Again, but Donald Trump comes along and
Speaker 1: he says, they've forgotten about you. They're all buddy buddy
Speaker 1: with each other in Washington, DC, but I haven't forgotten
Speaker 1: about you, and I'm rich and you're gonna be rich too.
Speaker 1: And even if he hasn't said it out right, he has.
Speaker 1: But even if he didn't say it in one of
Speaker 1: his rallies at a certain city at a certain time,
Speaker 1: that's the impression that folks got from this guy.
Speaker 2: And then if you're not rich, it's not your fault
Speaker 2: that part. That part, there's people coming into the country illegally,
Speaker 2: still in your jobs, and so on and so on.
Speaker 2: I don't even want to dive into that pit hole
Speaker 2: of really really divisive and incorrect ideology. Sure, but the
Speaker 2: idea that you are only less than because of someone else.
Speaker 2: The only way you could possibly not be winning and
Speaker 2: not be successful is it if the game is rigged
Speaker 2: against you.
Speaker 1: About that, I e.
Speaker 2: The twenty twenty presidential election.
Speaker 1: So oh, and let me say this while I have it,
Speaker 1: while we're here. If you feel this way, or if
Speaker 1: you know anyone that feels this way, do me a
Speaker 1: favor after you google it, of course, after you do
Speaker 1: your own research. If you don't believe in Google whatever
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories have trapped you in your corner of your mind,
Speaker 1: But you know, do your own research and learn for
Speaker 1: yourself that people on welfare aren't messing up the system.
Speaker 1: You know, and I've said this before, I'll say it
Speaker 1: as many times as I need to. It's the nature
Speaker 1: of capitalism to have unemployment when there's one hundred percent employment.
Speaker 1: That's why there's always an unemployment rate. There's never one
Speaker 1: hundred percent because when there's one hundred percent unemployment, wages
Speaker 1: go up again.
Speaker 2: Or one hundred percent employment employment.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean to say. You can't if there's
Speaker 1: if everyone has a job, then you can go into
Speaker 1: your boss's office and say I want a raise, and
Speaker 1: if you don't give me the raise, I will quit,
Speaker 1: and they have to give you that raise because there's
Speaker 1: no one else to take that job. Do you understand.
Speaker 1: It strengthens the employees, it strengthens the workers, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But capitalism needs every last ounce of labor, money, utility,
Speaker 1: et cetera. It demands that. That's the nature of capitalism,
Speaker 1: and so there needs to be some unemployment in order
Speaker 1: for capitalism to thrive, in order for wages to stay
Speaker 1: low and prompt companies to stay profitable, and so no
Speaker 1: one on welfare none of these things that you might
Speaker 1: think are working against you are actually working against you.
Speaker 1: There is nobody from Mexico that's going to take your job,
Speaker 1: because capitalism compels robots to take your job. Might be
Speaker 1: five years, might be ten, but you will not have
Speaker 1: a job. And this is part of the reason why
Speaker 1: people who were progressive, people were forward thinking, people who
Speaker 1: were enthusiastic about Bernie Sanders were so excited about him
Speaker 1: because he was actually looking toward the future that is
Speaker 1: barreling toward us now. Can't spend too much time on
Speaker 1: that at lame duck president, can't spend too much time
Speaker 1: on capitalism. The show exists to celebrate blackness, to empower
Speaker 1: black voices and brown voices and Native voices when I
Speaker 1: can get Native guests on the show, and Asian and
Speaker 1: so forth. But this is a black space, admittedly and deliberately,
Speaker 1: and I want to take a moment, regardless of how
Speaker 1: you feel about the politics or the history of this person,
Speaker 1: I want to take moment to acknowledge our vice president elect. Now, Qward,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on our vice president elect?
Speaker 2: So I owe her an apology, Okay, because I let
Speaker 2: the negativity the divisiveness, the ignorance, the misinformation of this election,
Speaker 2: of this administration to cloud what I should have been
Speaker 2: celebrating the whole time. Even if she didn't get there.
Speaker 2: She was the first woman on a ticket, and for
Speaker 2: the first woman on a presidential ticket to be a
Speaker 2: black woman of Alpha Kappa Alpha sorority in corporation from
Speaker 2: a coward university Nellwood.
Speaker 1: See right.
Speaker 2: So for the first woman in the history of this
Speaker 2: country to be that woman, to be a black woman,
Speaker 2: to be a Southeast Asian woman, that's so incredible.
Speaker 1: Why is that incredible?
Speaker 2: No one had to blaze the path for her? Tell
Speaker 2: them everyone prior to her in her position specifically right,
Speaker 2: because Barack has blazed his own trail, but that trail
Speaker 2: had to be blazed by white men before him, him
Speaker 2: being not the first man, just the first black man.
Speaker 2: She's the first woman, period, Meaning she didn't follow a
Speaker 2: white woman, she didn't follow another woman.
Speaker 1: So that means the period all women who ever function
Speaker 1: in that capacity at some point in the future will
Speaker 1: follow the pale the trath of the path that she blazed.
Speaker 2: Yes, correct, So I sat holding my mixed daughter, my
Speaker 2: black and Mexican daughter, my black and Mexican and Filipino
Speaker 2: daughter watching this woman who she might look like one
Speaker 2: day celebrate a successful campaign, and it hit me for
Speaker 2: the first time because you and I have been texting,
Speaker 2: we've been on the phone, we've been in sending each
Speaker 2: other messages. I have not yet exhaled or celebrated what
Speaker 2: most of the country is calling a victory for the
Speaker 2: president elect and Vice President elect Joe Biden and Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris because of the play that the other side is running,
Speaker 2: and as ineffective as sound logical people might think that
Speaker 2: play is, you have to remind yourself they've never depended
Speaker 2: on logic to make their points or to further their cause.
Speaker 2: If they had at any point, he wouldn't have ever
Speaker 2: got elected. And so you're thinking, logically, it doesn't make
Speaker 2: any sense and it's baseless, and you know he's not
Speaker 2: going to bear any fruit. But he's been very, very strategic,
Speaker 2: if nothing else. You know, look at his appointments, look
Speaker 2: at his Supreme Court justices. The whole point for a
Speaker 2: lot of these appointments and people that he's put into
Speaker 2: positions of power were to shield him from defeat. Well,
Speaker 2: if it doesn't go my way, you know, I've kind
Speaker 2: of hedged my bet on myself. But again, let's not,
Speaker 2: like you said, dedicate too much of the show to.
Speaker 1: I know, I said, let's not dedicate a bunch of
Speaker 1: the show to him. But I like how you said that,
Speaker 1: and I think I learned something. Took me this long,
Speaker 1: but I learned something. Follow me here. When you said
Speaker 1: that he was being strategic, you know, prior to this point,
Speaker 1: I might have said, yeah, strategic in the way that
Speaker 1: you're as strategic as you can be in that capacity.
Speaker 1: Like there's there's literally people whose job it is to
Speaker 1: make sure that you have a strategic advantage over every
Speaker 1: situation that comes your way, or at least you have
Speaker 1: information so that you can be as strategic as possible
Speaker 1: when approaching, you know, an issue or whatever your duties entail.
Speaker 1: But you know, largely, strategy is not a word that
Speaker 1: I would associate with Donald Trump up until I guess
Speaker 1: for the whole time. Now, how about this, to recall
Speaker 1: the example that we talked about earlier. You're sitting down.
Speaker 1: Follow me here, You're sitting down and you're playing a
Speaker 1: video game. Now, what's your game that you grew up
Speaker 1: playing that you're really good at? Doesn't matter. Pick one
Speaker 1: street Fighter, street Fighter, great game. Okay, so you have
Speaker 1: mastered street Fighter. You put in the out, you know
Speaker 1: all the moves, you know your favorite character, you know
Speaker 1: how to win, what their advantage over other characters. You
Speaker 1: got it all down, right, street Fighter. If you're too
Speaker 1: young to know what Street Fighter is, google it if
Speaker 1: you're listening. But now, let's say that you have a cousin, right,
Speaker 1: and your cousin has never played Street Fight. Matter of fact,
Speaker 1: your cousin has never played a video game before. And
Speaker 1: this cousin of yours iss very entitled personality type, right,
Speaker 1: And he comes in and he's just not used to
Speaker 1: dealing with people with any like a modicum of compassion
Speaker 1: or integrity or whatever. So he's not your favorite cousin.
Speaker 1: We'll just you know, he's my least favorite cousin. There
Speaker 1: we go, least favorite cousin. Okay, But somehow you and
Speaker 1: him end up playing the same video game. And while
Speaker 1: you have definitely skill experience, you knowategy, foresight, et cetera,
Speaker 1: he comes in and mashes all the buttons and somehow
Speaker 1: he wins the game. It's hard to go back and
Speaker 1: say that's a strategy, but based on what you just said,
Speaker 1: I do think that that's pretty much what it is.
Speaker 1: He throws everything at the wall, and whatever sticks sticks
Speaker 1: and whatever doesn't stick. He says that it was taken
Speaker 1: out of context or explains it away or whatever. But
Speaker 1: we've seen him was he was I think it might
Speaker 1: have been Dave Chappelle did said this. He got on
Speaker 1: stage and tried to guess the cure for COVID in
Speaker 1: real time by should we shine a beam of light
Speaker 1: inside of our body or should we you know, drink
Speaker 1: bleach or whatever. And then people went and tried to
Speaker 1: do these things, you know, and then when they did it,
Speaker 1: he a joke, right exactly. And it's not just that
Speaker 1: there's you know, tons of example, Yeah, him just rambling
Speaker 1: or rattling off nonsense or whatever. And that's part of
Speaker 1: the reason why they cut the cameras off on this
Speaker 1: guy the last time that he spoke from the White
Speaker 1: House trying to allege voter fraud without any claim, because again,
Speaker 1: it undermines the the democracy.
Speaker 3: But Kamala Harris, yeah, so so caught up in the
Speaker 3: possible negative outcomes, right, and.
Speaker 2: Just trying not to try not to give myself too
Speaker 2: much hope, so that I'm let down harder when something
Speaker 2: that he alleges with no with no evidence is taking
Speaker 2: is taken seriously, right, because people that I know that
Speaker 2: are people who have studied law, who practice law, even
Speaker 2: people that I know who have studied in practice in
Speaker 2: the political realm have told me all of his claims
Speaker 2: are baseless, like he has zero to go on. Sure,
Speaker 2: but these are people who are thinking logically. Once again,
Speaker 2: they don't mash all the buttons. Yeah right, So in
Speaker 2: the in the in the wake of his presidency, I've
Speaker 2: just been sitting waiting for the other shooter drop right,
Speaker 2: Like you know, Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh was appointed
Speaker 2: immediately after a sexual assault case whereas he was the
Speaker 2: perpetrator being accused, Like can you imagine a lifelong appointment
Speaker 2: to the highest court our country has was in court
Speaker 2: being credibly accused by a doctor of sexual assault. They
Speaker 2: made sure that he was not convicted of anything and
Speaker 2: rushed to his appointment, And most recently they did it again. Yeah,
Speaker 2: things like this that he put in place to be
Speaker 2: able to get over on us. So I have not
Speaker 2: been able to bring myself to the point of celebration
Speaker 2: yet or just exhaling and celebrating that he's not going
Speaker 2: to be our president anymore, because it's not it's not
Speaker 2: beyond the scope of reality that he just will decide
Speaker 2: he's not leaving, and then what it's not like we
Speaker 2: have a plan for that. It's never happened, and a.
Speaker 1: Lot of things during this presidency have never happened.
Speaker 2: Never happened, and there are things that we assume our
Speaker 2: law that are not They're just how things are done
Speaker 2: because people are decent. Ultimately, there's been tons of presidents
Speaker 2: that each side didn't agree with, but there was some
Speaker 2: level of dignity. There was some level of country before
Speaker 2: a party or country before a person. That does not
Speaker 2: exist anymore. So lost in all that negativity and all
Speaker 2: of that that's clouded the last four years, I just
Speaker 2: forgot to give her a standing ovation. I forgot to
Speaker 2: applaud the trail that she was blazing. Sure, and I
Speaker 2: sat there holding my daughter, watching her speed, and it
Speaker 2: hit me right. My mother was born in nineteen forty five,
Speaker 2: so when she turned eighteen in nineteen sixty three, so
Speaker 2: this is before nineteen sixty five, she wasn't able to
Speaker 2: just go to the ballot and cast her vote for president.
Speaker 1: My mother.
Speaker 2: Strong, beautiful, powerful woman. So when I became old enough
Speaker 2: to vote, I got to vote for the first black president.
Speaker 2: And my first thought, because I was the first person
Speaker 2: at the ballot in this county, the first person at
Speaker 2: the polls, I'm sorry in Maricopa County was me.
Speaker 1: I slept there. That's how That's how deturned.
Speaker 2: I was for Obama's first first election, and I played Gez,
Speaker 2: my president is black the whole next day on super repeat.
Speaker 2: Speakers don't get much louder this and Bro, I have
Speaker 2: not had that same hope and excitement this time around,
Speaker 2: because I just figured they figure out a way to
Speaker 2: cheat us, to scam us, and they're still trying every
Speaker 2: day in front of everybody. What she's just done is historic,
Speaker 2: but it's surrounded by so much muck that people still
Speaker 2: aren't properly celebrating what just happened. The vice president is
Speaker 2: a woman, hard stop. We should be going crazy just
Speaker 2: for that. But the first woman to ever be president
Speaker 2: or vice president is a black woman. And AKA and
Speaker 2: AKA from Howard because I've heard people questioning her blackness.
Speaker 2: If you will, and you know the decisions that you
Speaker 2: make when you're not sure of your blackness, are different
Speaker 2: than pledging Alpha Kappa Alpha and attending Howard University, because
Speaker 2: that's not just questioning her blackness, but questioning how she
Speaker 2: identifies her blackness, like she just decided to do that
Speaker 2: now for this campaign. No, people, you don't pick Howard
Speaker 2: and AKA if you haven't decided whether or not you're
Speaker 2: black or not. That's just not the direction you go.
Speaker 2: So something the small about, something to celebrate, something to
Speaker 2: be proud of. She's it. She'll never hear this, But
Speaker 2: my apologies for not giving that the attention and the
Speaker 2: gravity that it deserved, because it's really a monumental accomplishment
Speaker 2: for her and for every woman on earth. And even
Speaker 2: by her words, she didn't just shout out black women.
Speaker 2: She spoke to every woman who could hear her voice. Massive,
Speaker 2: massive step forward. As as much as it might be
Speaker 2: covered in clouds now, I do want.
Speaker 1: To make sure that I talk about what it took
Speaker 1: for all this to happen. Right, but before I get
Speaker 1: there and before I finish with Vice President elect Harris
Speaker 1: rolls off the tongue a little bit. We'll get rid
Speaker 1: of that elected, definitely. Do you know what we'll really
Speaker 1: roll off the tongue, President Harris, and for me, based
Speaker 1: on what I see, based on how the future looks,
Speaker 1: and if this train stays close enough to the track,
Speaker 1: that is not beyond the realm of possibilities. Because this
Speaker 1: nation has shown that they can rally behind a black person,
Speaker 1: This nation has shown that the majority of folks can
Speaker 1: rally behind a woman.
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, let's not forget that and this nation twenty
Speaker 2: sixteen exactly.
Speaker 1: And you know, I do believe that Joe Biden was
Speaker 1: just the right man at the right time. He was
Speaker 1: the sort of person that could get enough Republican that's
Speaker 1: important to say, yeah, because he said, everybody's not.
Speaker 2: Excited about Joe being the perfect candidate, but he was
Speaker 2: the right candidate for now.
Speaker 1: Got the law.
Speaker 2: It needed to be someone who people would actually vote
Speaker 2: for it not just someone people would like. That was
Speaker 2: important and that can't be stressed enough. It had to
Speaker 2: be someone that would actually get the votes, whether they
Speaker 2: were perfect or not, because we had a much larger
Speaker 2: problem and repudiation was absolutely necessary. Absolutely and I'm not
Speaker 2: being hyperbolic.
Speaker 1: So this is why the UH I was very and
Speaker 1: I will always be very sad that Bernie Sanders didn't
Speaker 1: cross the finish line. But I recognize, unlike a lot
Speaker 1: of folks, a lot of my countrymen, that while his
Speaker 1: ideas are.
Speaker 2: Vastly superior, he didn't have a shot.
Speaker 1: Everybody needs to get behind somebody in order to get
Speaker 1: him cross the finish line. And Joe Biden, Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: was that guy. He didn't. He wasn't off putting, you
Speaker 1: didn't scare folks that he didn't wasn't talking about changing
Speaker 1: the way the world is, just inching it forward. And
Speaker 1: that was comfortable enough for more people to get behind him.
Speaker 1: And so here we are. But you know my prediction,
Speaker 1: I'm calling it here. Uh, Kamala Harris is going to
Speaker 1: be uh the forty seventh president.
Speaker 2: That would be tight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so uh you know. And and again there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things that she stands for that I don't know.
Speaker 1: She she comes from a law enforcement background. She has
Speaker 1: very good for stood for. Okay, she comes from a
Speaker 1: law enforcement background. So my assumption will be that she
Speaker 1: tends to side with law enforcement, which we know that
Speaker 1: system to be flawed, not speaking about the humans that operated,
Speaker 1: but the system in and of itself is and flawed,
Speaker 1: is not the wrong word is the wrong word. It's
Speaker 1: doing exactly what it was designed to do, but it
Speaker 1: was designed poorly and it was design functioning perfectly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go. That's a great way to say it.
Speaker 1: But you know, those that those and other things really
Speaker 1: have plagued the black community and the brown community, Hispanic folks,
Speaker 1: especially in as part of the country where we live
Speaker 1: in the southwest and on the West coast. And so
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that you know, after her time as Everyone's
Speaker 1: vice president, that she will adopt a more inclusive approach.
Speaker 2: So I'm looking at our GPS, and our GPS says
Speaker 2: in seven hundred and fifty feet make it right, I
Speaker 2: need your permission to make a left because I have
Speaker 2: a destination that we did not plan. But then I
Speaker 2: just feel compelled to speak to just based on where
Speaker 2: we are in this conversation right now. Sure, SHO, A
Speaker 2: lot of people were very, very disappointed in what the
Speaker 2: Democratic Party gave us in a candidate. Black people in
Speaker 2: particular are starting to get to a point where we're
Speaker 2: fed up of getting nothing in exchange for our vote
Speaker 2: and getting nothing in exchange for our loyalty. A lot
Speaker 2: of my woke brethren, we're really really into the idea
Speaker 2: of voting for via writing Kanye Kanye West, how about
Speaker 2: that one and unapologetically because he's black, and in their
Speaker 2: mind that was enough. Now you and I know that
Speaker 2: that's not the case. But for a lot of people,
Speaker 2: the lack of representation, you know, for the entire existence
Speaker 2: of the office, having won, the idea that there were
Speaker 2: underrepresentatives on his face obvious, except and I listened to
Speaker 2: very very well thought out, very passionate arguments from people
Speaker 2: who felt like he was the decision that we needed
Speaker 2: to make. The problem was none of their rhetoric had
Speaker 2: anything to do with him, but everything to do with
Speaker 2: the flaws in the system, everything to do with us
Speaker 2: not having proper representation, everything to do with us not
Speaker 2: getting anything in exchange for our loyalty, our patronage, and
Speaker 2: our vote. All very very well constructed points, but again,
Speaker 2: nothing to do with the candidate that they chose to back.
Speaker 2: With regard to him specifically, I wish he was as
Speaker 2: passionate about being the president as the people who wanted
Speaker 2: to vote for him. You know, I would always remind them,
Speaker 2: you know, your boy didn't campaign right, Like if the
Speaker 2: idea was for him to actually win, he would have
Speaker 2: ran a campaign. Yeah, it was grossly irresponsible for him
Speaker 2: to interject himself into the conversation when he did, when
Speaker 2: there was nothing he could do to win. There was
Speaker 2: no platform, there was no policy, there was just I'm me.
Speaker 2: I'm famous. I know I couldn't at least get you
Speaker 2: guys attention. So this is what I'm going to say.
Speaker 2: I'm doing now. And there's a long laundry list of
Speaker 2: things that mister West has done that make me scratch
Speaker 2: my head at best, make me want to have a
Speaker 2: very stern conversation with him. At worse, the conversation that
Speaker 2: you guys just started to have have when Kanye West
Speaker 2: interjected his name into this. You guys need to start
Speaker 2: having now for the next election, because it's irresponsible to
Speaker 2: wait until five months ago to talk about all that
Speaker 2: we're not getting and don't have with regard to who
Speaker 2: we're gonna back as president, from Ice Cube to fifty
Speaker 2: Cent to Kanye West, to all of the people that
Speaker 2: I know that I've been just kind of disappointed with
Speaker 2: because you guys are too intelligent.
Speaker 1: To use that excuse to make that mistake, to.
Speaker 2: Miss the point. So massively right now right, The timing
Speaker 2: is just awful. You guys aren't saying things that are wrong.
Speaker 2: You aren't saying things that I don't agree with. But
Speaker 2: don't be so blind. I can't even say shortsighted. Don't
Speaker 2: be so blind. That's to think that now is the
Speaker 2: time to make a greater point That won't give you
Speaker 2: any result except that guy running this country for four
Speaker 2: more years. For a lot of people, it is a
Speaker 2: life or death thing for over six hundred immigrant children
Speaker 2: who can't find their parents. Now, it's almost hard to
Speaker 2: keep talking after you say that, because that in and
Speaker 2: of itself should be enough. But there's so much more
Speaker 2: things that as a human we shouldn't be okay with
Speaker 2: that we've somehow gotten so used to that we just
Speaker 2: sweep it under the rug and keep moving, and I
Speaker 2: guess keep our head on the swivel to see when
Speaker 2: is the next thing gonna happen that's deplorable and inhumane
Speaker 2: and disgusting. On our last show, I spoke about my
Speaker 2: children because my children are half Mexican and his rhetoric
Speaker 2: with regards to their mother's home country is insane. Seventy
Speaker 2: million people backed it. There is so much wrong. But
Speaker 2: let's start having the conversation. Now, say that four years
Speaker 2: from now or three years from now, we're prepared to
Speaker 2: back who we think is a great candidate. Let's not
Speaker 2: wait until twenty twenty three to start complaining about all
Speaker 2: we should have been doing. Now, get involved, get educated,
Speaker 2: Ramsey says on every episode. Google is free. If you
Speaker 2: don't trust Google, do some actual academic research. Go to
Speaker 2: a library. Those are mostly free too. But educate yourself,
Speaker 2: be informed and take proper steps. Get involved. Vote in
Speaker 2: your local elections. Hell, run for office. But to sit
Speaker 2: back and do nothing, and to wait to a moment
Speaker 2: like now to express your anger and withhold your vote
Speaker 2: and encourage others to do the same. Yeah, that's very,
Speaker 2: very very hard for me to accept, very very hard
Speaker 2: for me to not speak out against. Wasn't that you
Speaker 2: guys were wrong, You were just going about it all wrong.
Speaker 1: Now let's talk about some of the things that were
Speaker 1: done right. I think it's important. I know that lots
Speaker 1: of folks have celebrated and silver because there's such a
Speaker 1: sense of relief. But to your point, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of things that took place in the last four
Speaker 1: years that really led to the reality that we're living
Speaker 1: in now. One of them, I have to say it
Speaker 1: is black women. As soon as Donald Trump got elected,
Speaker 1: they all got to work, and and women in general too,
Speaker 1: but black women especially because that is.
Speaker 2: Black women specifically specifically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Donald Trump. The election of Donald Trump to
Speaker 1: the American presidency is an insult of the highest order
Speaker 1: to black women. Now, obviously there are people who can
Speaker 1: go and find one and two examples and try to,
Speaker 1: you know, throw them in my face.
Speaker 2: It should be an insult to all decent humans period
Speaker 2: to that too.
Speaker 1: But my impression, you know, I so doctor Westernberg, who's
Speaker 1: a guest on the show from time to time, Doctor
Speaker 1: Kimilla Westenberg. You know, please look her up. She's a
Speaker 1: and I think she's one of the vice presidents of
Speaker 1: the NAACP. She's a champion some sort of something she does.
Speaker 1: I couldn't, you know, run down her laundry list of accomplishments.
Speaker 1: But she's my teacher, and she's somebody that I just
Speaker 1: have known for twenty years, and she has lived under
Speaker 1: a dark cloud. I've known her twenty years. In the
Speaker 1: past four lived under a dark cloud. She was so
Speaker 1: worried she did not want to leave this planet, leave
Speaker 1: her granddaughter behind in a world that is deteriorating morally
Speaker 1: or otherwise. You know, and her granddaughter obviously is a
Speaker 1: black woman too, and there is, you know, if there's
Speaker 1: a societal hierarchy. You know, you could make an argument
Speaker 1: that at least in this country, black women are at
Speaker 1: the very bottom of that in terms of how they've
Speaker 1: been treated in terms, you know whatever. And that's obviously
Speaker 1: a terrible thing. But a Trump presidency has been, in
Speaker 1: my estimation, particularly hurtful and harmful to black women. And
Speaker 1: so black women got to work very early on. If
Speaker 1: you don't know this, the Black Lives Matter movement was
Speaker 1: founded by black women in twenty twelve after tray Von
Speaker 1: Martin lost his life in Florida, one of whom is
Speaker 1: good friends with doctor Westernberg. And so what I do
Speaker 1: want to applaud, what I do think got us together
Speaker 1: and got us mobilized in the same direction is perhaps
Speaker 1: a perfect storm, but it's something that we can duplicate
Speaker 1: going forward as black folks. The perfect storm is we
Speaker 1: had COVID and unfortunately I have to say this, the
Speaker 1: death of George Floyd and the social climate, the scary truth.
Speaker 2: About this pandemic and the death of George Floyd. Is
Speaker 2: that minus those two things happening, the Republicans are likely
Speaker 2: celebrating the re election of Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: To say, sure, and this is why I said, it's
Speaker 1: a perfect storm.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Now, let me let me make this point. You know,
Speaker 1: there's I call it a silver lining. You know, we
Speaker 1: had to watch this human being's life get snuffed out
Speaker 1: on camera, tortured before he died, wailing, handcuffed on the sidewalk.
Speaker 2: It's his killer in prison. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I think there's I'd have to do the research.
Speaker 1: I don't want to answer that right now. But you
Speaker 1: know that, plus the the protest that followed with people
Speaker 1: being cooped up in the house, people not being able
Speaker 1: to work, you know, people took to the streets and
Speaker 1: that shifted the narrative, the national dialogue in the direction of.
Speaker 2: Social justice, international dialogue.
Speaker 1: That too for black people. And what we did very
Speaker 1: well was well it was on many levels, but some
Speaker 1: of those levels was young people with young energy hitting
Speaker 1: the streets. Allies to black people, all my brown brothers
Speaker 1: and sisters that are listening to my voice right now,
Speaker 1: I love you, and when you need me, I will
Speaker 1: be there for you. My name is rameses Jah Rudy
Speaker 1: King Taylor the Second. I will be there for you.
Speaker 1: All of my Native brothers and sisters, my Sikh brothers
Speaker 1: and sisters, my Muslim brothers and sisters. I saw you
Speaker 1: out there marching with us, my white brothers and sisters.
Speaker 1: I'd be at a protest and you can google that too.
Speaker 1: I was at all of them. In the thick of it.
Speaker 1: I still go out, but man, it's probably if I'm
Speaker 1: being generous, ten percent black people in the city where
Speaker 1: I live in Phoenix, ten percent black people at a
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter protest. I printed the banners, took them
Speaker 1: out there, waved them. Arele with my kids, you know.
Speaker 1: And if you look back, this is not a black event.
Speaker 1: This is a human event because there's barely any black
Speaker 1: people out here. This is human beings coming together. And
Speaker 1: we did that very well, and our voices were heard.
Speaker 1: And so as black people to maintain those relationships with
Speaker 1: our allies, to be present. It is our duty to
Speaker 1: be present. We rise in solidarity when they need us.
Speaker 1: We need to be there too. At this show. You
Speaker 1: hearing my voice right now is because people many of
Speaker 1: whom did not look like me, felt like it was
Speaker 1: important for you to hear my voice. And that cannot be,
Speaker 1: that cannot go unnoticed. And we're all in this together.
Speaker 1: But we need to remember that. And when it comes
Speaker 1: time to move the whole entire political agenda forward, we
Speaker 1: need to recognize what we did right this time around,
Speaker 1: which has come together. We were not being divisive. We
Speaker 1: all rallied behind the same cause. There was no time
Speaker 1: for bickering, there was no time for ego, none of
Speaker 1: that stuff. And we got out there and we made
Speaker 1: it happen. And at the same time as we're protesting,
Speaker 1: you know, police brutality and injustice, and we recognized that
Speaker 1: there were systemic problems in place, we also it for
Speaker 1: some reason, the light clicked we probably should vote too.
Speaker 1: And we're knocking on another election. And you know, the
Speaker 1: person who's really responsible for this climate we're living in
Speaker 1: is Donald Trump. And again we don't have to love
Speaker 1: Joe Biden. He just has to be not Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: And again, the right man in the right place at
Speaker 1: the right time. And so these are the sorts of
Speaker 1: actions that will lead to long term progress. Incremental though
Speaker 1: it may be, it's still progress us. What we had
Speaker 1: under a Trump presidency was in my definition, a regression,
Speaker 1: not progression, and I think it's very important that that
Speaker 1: is said now. I do want to say this, in
Speaker 1: my city, that wasn't the only that wasn't the only
Speaker 1: place where that happened. And because it was a national effort,
Speaker 1: and because there was such a massive reaction to the
Speaker 1: death of George Floyd, and because people were largely unemployed
Speaker 1: and folks took to the street coast to coast, it
Speaker 1: set the tone for what would become the black vote.
Speaker 1: And what what I've read is that there is a
Speaker 1: nine ten split for the black vote, ninety percent for
Speaker 1: Joe Biden, ten percent for Republicans. And I think it's
Speaker 1: actually higher. I think that that was just the language
Speaker 1: that was used there, because ninety and ten just kind
Speaker 1: of lend themselves. But I think it's actually higher than
Speaker 1: ninety percent for black people because black women voted at
Speaker 1: ninety three percent ninety four percent for Joe Biden. But
Speaker 1: all those battleground states, as we now know, the difference
Speaker 1: was absolutely the black vote. Cities like Detroit, cities like.
Speaker 2: Or Sorry, Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Atlanta exactly, Detroit, exactly talk to him,
Speaker 2: and so black folks coming together.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, it was you know, we voted out of pain.
Speaker 1: We voted out. We weren't voting to be as happy
Speaker 1: as we could be. We were voting to not be
Speaker 1: as sad as we could be. And those are two
Speaker 1: very different things. But the fact is we came together.
Speaker 1: And it's the coming together that again pushes is the
Speaker 1: nation forward. It pushes our agenda forward and the agendas
Speaker 1: of our brothers and sisters, so that we all can
Speaker 1: have a more dignified human experience. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody's asking for too much more than that. And
Speaker 1: so even though this doesn't look the way that you know,
Speaker 1: this doesn't look like paradise, it does look like progress,
Speaker 1: and that progress was due to all of us. But
Speaker 1: obviously this show exists to, you know, speak to black issues.
Speaker 1: Perhaps you're listening to this program on a radio station
Speaker 1: or some other platform that plays black music, or you know,
Speaker 1: somehow there's a connection with your station to black music.
Speaker 1: And so I want to speak to black people and
Speaker 1: I want all allies to listen to this, to this message.
Speaker 1: We can use these tactics not to avoid feeling bad,
Speaker 1: but to actually pursue the happiness that the Constitution suggests
Speaker 1: that we are able to pursue. And again, for those
Speaker 1: who are not as familiar with civics, life, liberty, and
Speaker 1: the pursuit of happiness is kind of what's written into
Speaker 1: the documents of this nation. And I do believe that
Speaker 1: with this formula and this format and this approach, we
Speaker 1: absolutely can pursue happiness.
Speaker 2: And maybe they didn't have us in mind when those
Speaker 2: words were written, but you brought us here boom, You
Speaker 2: made us citizens of this land boom, and we are
Speaker 2: entitled to those words that shouldn't ring hollow to large
Speaker 2: sectors of your citizenship.
Speaker 1: Now, before I get out of here, I want to
Speaker 1: shout out somebody who is from my hometown. For those
Speaker 1: of you that know, I was born in Compton, California,
Speaker 1: moved to Phoenix, Arizona in nineteen ninety. I'm very proud
Speaker 1: of Phoenix. I love Phoenix. God willing, this is where
Speaker 1: I will spend the rest of my life. But I
Speaker 1: was born in Compton, California. There is one person from Compton,
Speaker 1: California who dose two people. Indeed, well the other person
Speaker 1: is not necessarily from Compton, but two people are on
Speaker 1: for today's topic. One of them is not with us anymore.
Speaker 1: But just because I can do it, really, I want
Speaker 1: to take the you know, the last couple of moments
Speaker 1: and shout out somebody who was an unlikely hero, you know,
Speaker 1: young gangster you know.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: For those who don't know, are not familiar with who
Speaker 1: I'm talking about YG, Uh, YG if you're if you're
Speaker 1: not familiar, He's a rapper from Compton, California. He has
Speaker 1: a song. Uh. The initials are F D T. The
Speaker 1: DT stands for Donald Trump. The F stands for the
Speaker 1: f work.
Speaker 2: The F stands for f Yeah.
Speaker 1: There you go. And Uh, I know you've heard the song.
Speaker 2: Rest in Peace Nipsey Hustle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rest in Peace Nipsey Hustle. I was just going
Speaker 1: to get there. But what happened on that song is
Speaker 1: you have a a person from Slosson, you know, UH,
Speaker 1: grew up in a neighborhood rolling sixties. Uh, and it's
Speaker 1: a crip neighborhood. And then you have a person from
Speaker 1: a blood neighborhood. UH and YG came together. They made
Speaker 1: a song. They've collaborated a lot, of course, their collaborations
Speaker 1: are really all about unity and kind of ending gang violence,
Speaker 1: violence and advancing that culture beyond its limited scope. But
Speaker 1: you know, that song, although it was released four and
Speaker 1: a half years ago, recently shot back up to number
Speaker 1: one on iTunes and it's being played from coast to
Speaker 1: coast and other countries.
Speaker 2: A four hundred percent streaming increase.
Speaker 1: There you go, boom. So the young gangster back in business.
Speaker 1: And that's important too. While I got you, and I
Speaker 1: might say this again maybe I've said it before, just
Speaker 1: so you know, gangs were born out of They were
Speaker 1: the leftovers from the Black Panther Party, which the government
Speaker 1: interfered with so that it could be dismantled. The government
Speaker 1: obviously introduced drugs into the black community in the West Coast,
Speaker 1: and what was remain what remained from the Panthers ended
Speaker 1: up being a group called the Community Revolution in Progress
Speaker 1: c r I P or CRYPT and the Black Liberation
Speaker 1: Organization of Defense. That's blood bloods. Introduce uh drugs into
Speaker 1: the community, give weapons to the kids, and then you
Speaker 1: corrupt them and they turned into street gangs and then
Speaker 1: we have what we have today. But we know that,
Speaker 1: and we're obviously working toward, you know, uh, dealing with that.
Speaker 1: But that's a show for another time. Today we're celebrating,
Speaker 1: and so shout out to YG.
Speaker 2: You gotta celebrate for me. I can't yet.
Speaker 1: Well, we're celebrating the election, not the inauguration just yet.
Speaker 1: We'll wait for that to happen. But once again, this
Speaker 1: is Civic Cipher. I'm your host, Ramsay's joh they called
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