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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast

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Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue.

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Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glacier.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jay Glazier, and today we have a first, and

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Speaker 2: I say first, the first of this type of guests

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Speaker 2: to general manager for the NFL. We've had on head coaches,

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Speaker 2: We've had on players, We've had on fighters, we have

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Speaker 2: on veterans. We have on celebrity chefs in the past,

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Speaker 2: and rock stars and actors and actresses, but never in

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Speaker 2: NFL GM, which is weird going to work in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: But before I get with him, if you're like many people,

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Speaker 2: you may be surprised to learn that one in five

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Speaker 2: adults in this country experienced mental illness last year. You

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Speaker 2: have far too many failed to receive the support they need. Carolyn.

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Speaker 2: Behavioral health is doing something about it. They understand that

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Speaker 2: behavioral health is a key part of whole health, delivering

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Speaker 2: compassionate care that treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs

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Speaker 2: in tandem. Carol, and behavioral health raising quality of life

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Speaker 2: through empathy and action. All right, again, Welcome into Unbreakable

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Speaker 2: Mental Health Podcast with Jay Glazer. I'm Jay Glazer, and

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Speaker 2: this right here is John Schneider, the general manager of

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Speaker 2: the Seattle Seahawks, somebody I've known for a long time.

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Speaker 2: I met him in Kansas City in the nineties and

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Speaker 2: here he is as a Super Bowl champion and one

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Speaker 2: of the most respected executives in the National Football League,

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Speaker 2: and I wanted to have him come on here. A

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Speaker 2: love the guy, but be like, people don't realize, you know,

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Speaker 2: as the leader of a team, what these guys, the

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Speaker 2: general managers have to deal with as far as mental health,

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Speaker 2: as far as different players, how they deal with their families,

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Speaker 2: and how this job has changed over the years. Now

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Speaker 2: we talk so much about mental health. This wasn't really

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Speaker 2: the case two years ago, five years ago, ten years ago,

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Speaker 2: thirty years ago when Schneids here first got involved. So,

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Speaker 2: first of all, Buddy, thank you for joining the Unbreakable Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Jay, how about this, hey, be honest, be honest. Are

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Speaker 2: you more excited to come on this show or when

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Speaker 2: you won a Super Bowl and straight and was interviewing

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Speaker 2: you guys on the podium.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm going to go with straight. And interviewing

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Speaker 2: Are you sure about that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, and I and I know and I do,

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Speaker 3: I do appreciate you know, you have me on everything.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I'm gonna lean that way.

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Speaker 3: At the time.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you a chance to reconsider that, Tony.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny when you're describing that, right, because

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Speaker 3: when you're describing that, your introduction and everything, you know, uh,

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Speaker 3: and again thanks for having me on. But you know,

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Speaker 3: it's basically like managing their general fashion. You know, you're

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Speaker 3: not trained for specific issues that come away to come

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Speaker 3: across your desk. So that's an interesting way to look at.

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Speaker 2: It, right. Well, but here's the thing. General managers, right,

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Speaker 2: your job, for the most part, you get brought to

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Speaker 2: a team to get players to get talent, but that's

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Speaker 2: not really the job. You got to deal with every

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Speaker 2: freaking problem that comes with ross every player's desk, every

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Speaker 2: probably so when you first got the job as general manager,

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Speaker 3: That it was twenty ten, but yeah, but I was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Dance Sider, Yes, you're gonna, you're gonna, You're gonna,

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Speaker 4: That guy never gets fired.

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Speaker 3: We went, we went, we went eight, We went eight

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Speaker 2: But what point in the job did you realize. And

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Speaker 2: amount of schooling that could prepare you for.

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Speaker 3: That, no, exactly, you know, and especially you know with

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Speaker 4: They don't exist anymore. We have all we can, we can,

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Speaker 4: Clinicians and to the experts.

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Speaker 3: And because at a certain point, you know you're saying before,

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Speaker 3: You're not just evaluating football players. You know, I'm evaluating

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Speaker 4: What that means is how can I help Jay.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't mean I'm evaluating him, doesn't mean I'm judging him.

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Speaker 2: But you also have to know Jay and Jay's family

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Speaker 2: just like, hey, I know you've helped a lot of

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Speaker 2: So the NFL is so far behind this. I don't

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. You know, we went to Sam Rams and our

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Speaker 4: As sticks player development people.

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Speaker 3: And you know, so you think of it like, you know,

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Speaker 3: But you know, to your point about you know, trying

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look again, like I said, the stuff

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Speaker 2: be the leader, right And I always say this, And look,

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Speaker 2: the leader's got to take care everybody else. But who

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Speaker 4: It's just easy. It's really plan, communicate.

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Speaker 4: And this is what my point is.

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Speaker 4: Dui, if there was an accident, is the other the

433
00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:50,959
Speaker 4: other people okay?

434
00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,680
Speaker 3: You know, as the player okay, the people that were

435
00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 3: involved in the accident is there? You know, are they okay?

436
00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 3: And then you know, really it's it's like we talked about,

437
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 3: there's no training for it. It's just your what your level,

438
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,160
Speaker 3: what your level of empathy is, and what your level

439
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,960
Speaker 3: of you know, how quickly you can make decisions. And really,

440
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,080
Speaker 3: you know, you joke around about the big personality and

441
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,879
Speaker 3: that sort of thing, and and I do pride myself

442
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 3: on trying to be like a fun you know, we're

443
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 3: going to work with tails off, but we're going to

444
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,920
Speaker 3: have a lot of fun. You know. It is one

445
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,960
Speaker 3: of those things where you know that does kind of

446
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,239
Speaker 3: help lighten the mood, and it helps other people as

447
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,159
Speaker 3: much as it helps me.

448
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 4: You know personally, I wrote in my book I'm Breakabell.

449
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,400
Speaker 2: What are the three pillers I use for my depression?

450
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 2: Anxiety is laughter? Right, So we happen to get through

451
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,120
Speaker 2: the grade to the blue. So I think it's it's

452
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 2: definitely a great tool for us.

453
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,159
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, And I you know, I've had personal experiences

454
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 3: too when when it comes to you know, high anxiety

455
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 3: levels where you know, I have that level of empathy

456
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 3: for players when they're going through those sort of you know,

457
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,880
Speaker 3: rough anxiety times. You know, you know I went through one.

458
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 3: When you know when my son Ben was diagnosed with

459
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 3: oughts to him he was three years old, It's like, Okay,

460
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 3: it just rocks your world, right, Okay, how are we

461
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 3: going to get through this? So there's you know, I'm

462
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 3: not a mental health expert, but as long as you

463
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 3: could point people into the experts, right, But also just

464
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 3: right away that initial conversation of having like Okay, I

465
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 3: get where you're coming from. Everybody's experienced things like this.

466
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, before I shift to something else, you just brought

467
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 2: up benet because I wanted to bring this up. So

468
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 2: tell everybody about Ben's artwork, because I have Ben's all

469
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:26,640
Speaker 2: over my house.

470
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,440
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, Ben is autistic.

471
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 2: He's now twenty hells been twenty one, twenty one years old,

472
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,120
Speaker 2: and up until a couple of years ago, they didn't

473
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 2: know that Ben has this unbelievable talent so I want

474
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 2: you to tell people really quick about this, and then

475
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 2: the website where to go buy, Like, folks, go on

476
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 2: this website right now. Give the website first.

477
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 3: It's small Ego art dot com. And it's small Ego

478
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 3: art dot com because he talks in a very serious manner.

479
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 5: He talks like he talks like one of the older

480
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 5: guys from the Muppets that sat up on that uh

481
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 5: and theater.

482
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,160
Speaker 3: At the two Bratchy guys yees yeah, yeah yeah.

483
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 5: And so you know, if you say, Ben Man, that's

484
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 5: a great piece of art, like, please don't say that

485
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 5: that it's not that's not appropriate.

486
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,239
Speaker 3: You know, you don't know. I don't have a very

487
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 3: big ego. And so you know, Tracy runs off you know,

488
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 3: runs the Business Forum and my wife Terracy and and

489
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 3: so they just came up with it one day, like

490
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 3: about small Ego art dot com. Ben He's like, yeah,

491
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 3: small ego Art. That's cool. I like him because they

492
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 3: kind of look like yes, album covers.

493
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 2: You know, folks, you got to look at these things.

494
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 2: He is a genius. It looks like one day he

495
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 2: sat there and said, yeah, I'm gonna go check out

496
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 2: a Jackson Pollock book. And then just became Jackson Pollock overnight.

497
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 2: But you had no idea he was able to do

498
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: that before him, right, Like.

499
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Speaker 3: He always loved art, and then he really he really

500
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 3: started once he graduated from high school. He really got

501
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 3: into art classes and then kind of just started just

502
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 3: leading in Nicole Nichols, who's his mentor, and she brought

503
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,959
Speaker 3: him down this really cool path of one of her

504
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 3: best friends, Rachel's is a is an artist here and

505
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 3: in the Northwest, and they just started, you know, bouncing

506
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 3: stuff off each other.

507
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 4: And zooming all the time and yeah, and so it

508
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 4: just really really took off.

509
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 3: So uh, it's fun. Obviously, we're super proud of them.

510
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 2: It's incredible. I have four of his art in my house.

511
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 3: Yeah cool, Yeah, Yeah, that's also it's.

512
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 2: My fireplace, one of the flying Rack and then one

513
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: over another. It's unbelievable, folks. You got to go on

514
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 2: and look.

515
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 3: But don't but don't tell him, Yeah, don't, don't, don't

516
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 3: don't say that to him.

517
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 2: We get a feature on it last year.

518
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right.

519
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 2: I was supposed to be there and I ended up.

520
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 2: Of all weeks I got COVID couldn't come out there,

521
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 2: which was, oh my gosh, So again I want to

522
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 2: go back for somebody who wants to be a general

523
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: manager of the NFL where he says, oh, at school's job. Ever,

524
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: what's the most stressful thing about being a GM in

525
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: the NFL.

526
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 3: For me personally? It's it's uh, probably uh the bigger negotiations.

527
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 3: Fortunately or unfortunately. We have a salary cap and we

528
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 3: don't have fully guaranteed contracts in the NFL like the

529
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 3: NBA and Major League Baseball and and uh, you know, hockey,

530
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 3: So we have a lot of different silos to negotiate

531
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 3: and within each one of these contracts. So as much

532
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,719
Speaker 3: as we try to talk to the guys about like, hey,

533
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 3: this this is business, this isn't personal, it's still it's

534
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 3: still hard when you're you know, at some point you

535
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 3: have to kind of like place yeah, yeah, and you

536
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 3: know we've we've all been to negotiations when it's it's

537
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 3: your world and what that looks like. So I would

538
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 3: say that's probably that's probably the most stressful thing for

539
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 3: me personally because I love trying to help people. I

540
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 3: love trying to like help people, you know, advance any

541
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 3: way they possibly can, so to say tell somebody like, well,

542
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 3: you know, you're not quite this, you're not quite that

543
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: this number and that number, and and that that's probably

544
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 3: the hardest. Also, you know, letting people go especially cap

545
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 3: casually guys. You know, when you just you know, you

546
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 3: build relationships with with with guys and they've built really strong,

547
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 3: strong relationships in the building and in the community, and

548
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 3: then you know, you have to have that really ugly

549
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 3: conversation and then you just you know, you hope and

550
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 3: pray that that time heals all wounds.

551
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 2: Do you take that homework through you or do you

552
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 2: just now say to yourself that's part of the business.

553
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: Or is it always affect you?

554
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 3: No, I think it's always stays with It always stays

555
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 3: with you, and I do, yeah, I take it home.

556
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 3: And you know, I talked to Tracy about it. And

557
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 3: my brother is eight years older than me, and I

558
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 3: had a team and negotiators for a long time at

559
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 3: American Express, and so we would always share those things too,

560
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 3: like what he was going through, and for that that

561
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 3: helped a lot.

562
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 2: I think the other interesting part now is just the evolution.

563
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 2: So like I got a buddy played in the NFL

564
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 2: who took a four game suspension, saying that he had

565
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: a drug issue when actually had a mental health break down.

566
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,719
Speaker 2: But you'd rather have people thought he was on drugs

567
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: than that mental health issues. Well, wasn't that long ago

568
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: that it happened. So I think if you look now,

569
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: at least inside teams, right, there's still guys hiding it.

570
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: I think now it's a lot more open, right for

571
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: your players and for people upstairs there say Okay, I'm struggling,

572
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: I'm going through something like that stigma has definitely been

573
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: taken away. What what are kind of some of the

574
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 2: things that you guys now do that you wouldn't have

575
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: done five years ago?

576
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, I think there's a ton of them. Jay,

577
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 3: I don't know really how to begin, but.

578
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 4: Just that alertness.

579
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 3: I was I was just talking to an ad about

580
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 3: this this weekend. We were actually talking about mental health

581
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 3: and how do we help people right because we can't

582
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 3: you know, in the NFL, we can't make people get

583
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 3: help right. And so in the college world, you know,

584
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 3: they can get directly of their parents and and sit

585
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 3: with the kids and really try to help. But you know, what,

586
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 3: what are the alerts is what you know? So is it?

587
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 3: You know, Eric in equipment, is it you know, is

588
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 3: it Sam and sports science? Is it? You know the

589
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 3: people in the cafeteria that are noticing guys just being

590
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 3: down and you know we we had a cool thing,

591
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 3: you know, so like what was that? What does our

592
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 3: collective look like in terms of how we're helping and noticing?

593
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 3: And then can we go through mo or you know,

594
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: the position coach or something to say, hey, you know

595
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: everything cool? Like, you know, is there anything you want

596
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 3: to talk about or you know, instead of just putting

597
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: our heads down and just grinding through the work week, is.

598
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 2: There anything you'd like to see implement it does not implement?

599
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 2: You ever changed? Or like I'll give example, Like for

600
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: me personally, I would love to see a Yeah, a

601
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: mental health expert at least one to be on every team,

602
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: like because you've got to build relationships not just two

603
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: days a week, but also that their office like down

604
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 2: next to the weight room or over by the cafeteria

605
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: where everybody could see you instead of upstairs away from

606
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: everybody where a lot of places at give me some

607
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 2: ideas that you would love to see.

608
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know, I think just what we

609
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 3: had talked about earlier with you know, the player development

610
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 3: staff having some background uniqueness, like every having different backgrounds,

611
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 3: so you know, different individuals feel comfortable just going to

612
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 3: somebody and talking to them.

613
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 2: And we have a bigger, more diverse staff of what type?

614
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And obviously, like you said, you know,

615
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 3: a full time you know clinician. But you know we

616
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 3: have you know, we have sixty nine guys on our team.

617
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 3: We'll have one hundred and twenty hundred and forty guys

618
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: through here, you know, a year.

619
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 4: So it's hard, it's it's hard to build up that,

620
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 4: you know, those relationships.

621
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 3: You know, we did a really cool thing this year.

622
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 3: We made our fifty three when we cut down from

623
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: from nine to fifty three, we just really focused on

624
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 3: like this is just another day.

625
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 4: This is you know, we understand this is disappointing that

626
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 4: you're not making.

627
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 3: A team per se, but you know, we we have

628
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: to go to fifty three players. We're really gonna have

629
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 3: sixty nine players and we're gonna try to get you

630
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 3: back on our practice squad. And this is what you

631
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 3: did well, bang bang bang bang bang.

632
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 4: Instead of like how you see on I don't want

633
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 4: to say ballers, but what's the.

634
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,479
Speaker 3: Hard heart hard knocks, We're like, take your take your

635
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 3: iPad to the general manager's office. We tried making it

636
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: really positive, and honestly, it really helped because then the

637
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: next morning the guys showed up, they're like, hey, okay,

638
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 3: here we go, but happy back in the building. And

639
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: so it really was the approach like that positive because

640
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 3: that's a huge you know, as you very well know,

641
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: you know, going you know, ninety players down in fifty three.

642
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 3: Those guys are man, they're looking around like you know,

643
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: they start counting numbers. They're anxious, they're very worried, they're concerned.

644
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 3: So okay, look like we're gonna have a plan. We're

645
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: planned for you. We don't know if it's gonna happen

646
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 3: that you'll be back here right away, but at some

647
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 3: point we'd like to get you back come through the building.

648
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 3: You know, we'll talk to other teams about you if

649
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: your agent wants us to that sort of thing. Just

650
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 3: like making it more more more positive approach, and uh,

651
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 3: those guys really helped out with it. E K Mo

652
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: Suit just everybody in the building. We really focused on

653
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: our poor interns were like, oh man, you know we

654
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 3: had their two interns are like we're okay, you gotta

655
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: go get that guy and that guy, and we're like, okay,

656
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: but you gotta be you got They're kind of like.

657
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: You said, your interns to be the turk to go

658
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: get these guys.

659
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you gotta get. You gotta start, you

660
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 3: gotta start somewhere.

661
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: When you have a player that you know, just one

662
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: that big, that's it should not play in the NFL,

663
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: doesn't have it, are you very very honest with them saying,

664
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 2: hey man, this is just not your career or are

665
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: you more of like, hey, this is just in the

666
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: place for you go try somewhere else.

667
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a great question. It never it

668
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: never gets to that jay because we don't We're not

669
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 3: going to bring people through the building that just can't play,

670
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: like there there is there they have to have.

671
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 4: We're emphasizing the positives on these guys all the time, like.

672
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,239
Speaker 3: What do you what are the redeeming qualities and can

673
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 3: we accentuate those qualities as well as helping them with

674
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: their deficiencies. So it never comes down so you can't play.

675
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 3: It's more like, hey, you know how we talked about

676
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: you know, we talked about this in the spring, buddy,

677
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: Like when you get the preseason, you really gotta you

678
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: really got to be a ball around special teams, like

679
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: you got to come through and unfortunately it didn't happen.

680
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 3: You know, now you you improved in this area, this area,

681
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 3: this area, and then and that's great, but you need

682
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: to you know your next stop as close as it

683
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 3: gets to what you're saying, like where you can't you

684
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,959
Speaker 3: know they they may not play again. Make sure when

685
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: you get back with another club you really get with

686
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 3: the special teams coaches and you really bought you buy

687
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: in there and or you know whether it could be passed.

688
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: It could be passed pro it could be you know,

689
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 3: studying on the defensive. Soidey, it's just it varies by position.

690
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: You have a better approach than I do.

691
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 5: Well, I hate no now, No, we're not talking about

692
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 5: college reports where it just says reject.

693
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 2: Hey, that's a long time, okay. So here's my philosophy,

694
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: right and training players in mixed martial arts for all

695
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: these years, I've always had this philosophy. You got ten

696
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: percent of the world. Man, they are fucking gangsters. They

697
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: are Chuck O'Dell and Aaron Donald James Harrison and man

698
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: they are ballers, right.

699
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: And John I appreciate it.

700
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: I get Josh Snyder. Randy was gonna bring those two upright, Yeah.

701
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: And then ten percent they are just there's a certain

702
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,239
Speaker 2: way I use I'm not going to use the ear

703
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: but just they're fucking wissist. They're just they're just not there.

704
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: They don't have that. They just don't have that in them.

705
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: And then the other eighty percent can get coached one

706
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: way or the other, can get coached toward being in

707
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: that top percent, or can actually get affected and go

708
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: bounce down to that bottom ten percent. And there's been

709
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: a couple of players we've trained over the past and

710
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: I have called their gems in like the first ten minutes,

711
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, Nope, no shot, Like what am in the

712
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: like throw that bottom teen percent? No chance? Like we

713
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 2: sent them out there for you to teach them hand

714
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: violence and teach them that fighter mentality and like and

715
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: I'm telling you turned down a fighter, no chance. So

716
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: it's like I but I I just think, like, hey,

717
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: the quicker I can tell you, the better off you are.

718
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: Let's I'm not saying you're a bad person. It's just

719
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: just a sport. Of violence is not for you, that

720
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: is it?

721
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all for you.

722
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

723
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 3: No, you're describing performance indicators, right, so yeah, you gotta

724
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: be hitting these performance indicators. And if you're not hitting them,

725
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: but let's let's discuss it too. You know, Pete and

726
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: I released a guy here in two thousand and shoot,

727
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 3: the year the year we won the Super Bowl, we

728
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: released we released a player and he's like, well, what's

729
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 3: my performance plan? Like what do I need to work on?

730
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 3: And we were like wow, you know, he's like, well,

731
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: usually you know when people get like, oh, you know,

732
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: you get a performance plan, So we like, you know what,

733
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: we need to be hitting all these guys up, like hey,

734
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 3: you need to be working on this, this, this, this,

735
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: So you're just not so they're not caught off guard,

736
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 3: you know, they know what's going on, and like anything

737
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: you're talking about the performance markers, you have to let

738
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 3: all people want to know is like where do they

739
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: need to get better?

740
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 4: That's in any industry, marketing, ticketing or whatever. What can

741
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 4: I do to get better? What's you know what, what

742
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 4: what's my performance point? But as long as you're discussing.

743
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 3: Us with those people, then you're that would think you're

744
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: evaluating this guy, those people you sit in that bottom

745
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: ten percent. Yeah, well you're not messing with them anymore.

746
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: They're moving on right right right, yeah.

747
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: Just like yeah, well, so you're not going to put

748
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: them in a sport of violence one. That's just it's

749
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: just not who they are. It's just not portant. And

750
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: there's nothing I could possibly do to get them to that,

751
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: even that from the eighty percent to the ten percent

752
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: into that group to write right, to compete on that,

753
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: to compete in a game of.

754
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: Violence, right exactly?

755
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: How about me like trying to dance around how I

756
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: would normally talk about it? What if I because you

757
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: know I've called you the past, Like, guys, I got

758
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: this guy right now. Holy fuck, he's driving me nuts,

759
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: and I just start going.

760
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 3: No, no, no, you don't flare him yet. Give him

761
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: another day. And this was his first day at work.

762
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 2: Give him another day. I tell you what was great

763
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: one time because I've seen also, like football players, I'm

764
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: fireders have, social media has gotten bigger and bigger. They

765
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 2: tend to too often fight or play to not lose

766
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 2: because they don't want to be a meme or they

767
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: don't want to see bad social media out on them

768
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: instead of just fighting to go go just go fuck it,

769
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: let's go right. So Randy Gatour actually changed the way

770
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: I coached a few years ago, and he's like, Hey,

771
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: we can't tell guys anymore what we don't want. Don't

772
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: tell him what you don't want, just tell him what

773
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 2: you do want. So if this guy keeps dropping his hand,

774
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: don't tell him not to drop his hand anymore. Just

775
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: tell him keep that hand up and why, over and

776
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: over and over and over. Just don't say anymore, hey, man,

777
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: stop dropping your hand. So he to the way I coach,

778
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 2: and I thought it was pretty interesting.

779
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 3: I love it, No, I love it right and then yeah,

780
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 3: and then focus but like focusing on those positives.

781
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's what people need. And I think also

782
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 2: there's so much negativity on social media now that even

783
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: like a style of coaching that old you know negativity

784
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: that man, it's just not gonna work anymore. These kids

785
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: and these young men, they need to be loved up

786
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: with more positivity now than ever before because we see

787
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: so much hate in our world. If you're on social

788
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: media a.

789
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 3: Lot, so I love that's what you know, working with Pete,

790
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: you know, like you can see him, coach Carol, you

791
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 3: can see him lift people up right. I always tell

792
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 3: I always tell people when when I'm asked about him,

793
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, I would say his ability and

794
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 3: still confidence in people.

795
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 4: Is probably his number one quality.

796
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: Yes, he's super positive. Obviously he's got the football stuff

797
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 3: just knocked out of the park. But his ability and

798
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 3: is still confidence in people. You know, I don't know

799
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 3: if you saw our Giants game on Monday Night Football

800
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago or a week and a

801
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 3: half ago or whatever, and you know Gino got hurt.

802
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 3: She was gonna come in the game, and he's right,

803
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: He's right there with Drew just like punching him in

804
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 3: the chest and like, let's go, man, you get to go.

805
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 3: You get to go play again. Isn't it cool? Instead

806
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 3: of being like, oh god, here we go.

807
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: I got one question before I let you go. But

808
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: also what I love here about just you know, I'm

809
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: a Pete. Pete is like a huge practical joker and

810
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: think I'm the level of insider that I am because

811
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: I know what goes on in that building. You never

812
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: know when a practical joke is going to be like,

813
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: you know, change up a day and I've been in

814
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: your facility now like three different times where Pete I know,

815
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: is targeted me for a joke and they'd be like, hey,

816
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: Pete wants to see in his office. I'm like, now,

817
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: screw you. I'm not going up to see Pete. No,

818
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: no shot, no chance, zero chance I'm going to see you.

819
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: And he's like no, no, no. I'm like, oh, Pete

820
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: already know what you guys arend trying to absolutely not.

821
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: I'm not going up there, but he is.

822
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 3: Uh.

823
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: I do think it's one of his best qualities is

824
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 2: keeping that shilling in that building no matter what, no

825
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: matter if you guys are struggling, and if you guys

826
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: are winning, you at least have that levity in there,

827
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: which is great.

828
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have the scooters. We have like the scooters

829
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: in the building. And I'm like, when do we get

830
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: the scooters? I don't remember anybody asked to me about scooters,

831
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 3: Like do we really want players riding scooters around? I don't.

832
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 3: But he's like, Johnny, it's a blast. It's a blast.

833
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, as long as let me get shurt

834
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 3: on him, and he'll be like like cruiser around. He'll

835
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: likeit right down the hall, just combusting right through here.

836
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: Before I let you go, I asked every one of

837
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 2: my guests this questions, give me your unbreakable moment in life,

838
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 2: like the thing that could have should have broken you

839
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: but didn't, and as a result, you came to the

840
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: other side of the tunnel stronger forever. That's a good question,

841
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: isn't it.

842
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 3: Job, That's a really good question. Yeah, I'm I'm going

843
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 3: with I'm going with Ben. You know, Ben's uh his

844
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 3: autism diagnosis, because you know, he was interacting with us

845
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: and then had his MMR injection and went the other

846
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 3: way and then was just off by himself in a corner,

847
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: playing with you know, his talmas, the train stuff and

848
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 3: just just totally went into a different world. And and that,

849
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 3: you know, the divorce rate is is like and you know,

850
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 3: I think that getting through that and uh, really relying

851
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: on our faith and Tracy and not working together as

852
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: a team.

853
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 4: Was like, Wow, we can we can get through this,

854
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 4: you know, and we can.

855
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can, we can. We can do anything. You know,

856
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 3: we can get through this stuff. That's you know, it's

857
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 3: not you know, I mean there's been a couple that

858
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: could have gone the other way. I was, you know,

859
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 3: twenty five years old working for Marty Schottenheimer, like sitting

860
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,959
Speaker 3: across from in his office because Terry Bradway, my boss,

861
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 3: would like he had hired me as a a pro

862
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 3: director there.

863
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Speaker 4: But he loved like Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson, he

864
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 4: loved going college scouting.

865
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Speaker 3: All the time. But he would leave and I'm like,

866
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Speaker 3: wait a second, I'm.

867
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Speaker 5: Sitting with Marty Shottenhmer's office, and like four years ago,

868
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 5: I was like at my college house watching the watching

869
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 5: these guys play at TV.

870
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Speaker 4: Make this is Marty shott never So I'm like, I

871
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 4: was pretty stressed out.

872
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're at the moment with Ben is.

873
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you never know.

874
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: And I've talked to you on Tracy about this. Don't

875
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 2: try and figure life out. You never know why things

876
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: happen in life. But with you two raising a trial

877
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 2: with autism and how much you've turned it around to

878
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: help so many other families with children with autism, that's

879
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 2: the best thing you've done in your life.

880
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 3: Not when you're saying no, I appreciate you saying that.

881
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 3: And Tracy's I mean, she's she's really dove into that

882
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 3: and it's been it's been awesome. It's been really really

883
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: eye opening, but it's been awesome. But yeah, clearly that's uh,

884
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 3: you know you how did you? How did you say that? Again?

885
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,479
Speaker 4: What was That's your unbreakable moment?

886
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, breakable, that's the made you unbreakable. And people don't

887
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: know the other end of that is Snide was interviewing

888
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 2: for a GM job when he got news that Ben

889
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: was diagnosed with autism and just left, went home and

890
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: just went back to his family. Obviously didn't take the job.

891
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: So there's been a lot that you that this is

892
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: man's it's a lot, it's heavy, it's a lot you

893
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: have to go through. But what you guys have done

894
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: with it, I appreciate it.

895
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 3: You know.

896
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 4: Shit, you're saying that, how many how many unbreakable moments

897
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 4: to do that me?

898
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, Snike, Mine was my lungs deal when I

899
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: almost died, you know, from the double aspiration eight years ago. Yeah,

900
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: when I went when I was in critical I was

901
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: in critical care for a week, in oxygen tach for

902
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: a month, and they told me I was the worst

903
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: case of someone aspirating that they that have ever survived.

904
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: The wildest thing about that, I woke up on a

905
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: gurney at Teter Sinai and Randy Couture he was my

906
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: emergency contact because my dumbass was like, all right, I'm

907
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 2: gonna get my back. I'm just going influence this epidro

908
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: procedure to them take these little fragments off the disc

909
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: and then hey, won't be in pain, so we'll go

910
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: train later. So what's actually did? Once? So Randy's my

911
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 2: emergency contact and I wake up honest gurney and Randy

912
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 2: Gaturre is standing over me, and I'm like, well, if

913
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Speaker 2: I'm dead, i ate in heaven because his ass wouldn't

914
00:40:54,280 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 2: be here. That wasn't good. But look in my ambreakal

915
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: moment did lead me to go say, hey, I've got

916
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 2: to now. God has given me this lease on life

917
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 2: where I now have to go do more of my

918
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 2: life to help others. And this podcast is part of that,

919
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: this book is part of that. M VP was part

920
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: of that. My other charities that have started is part

921
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: of that. It's being of service. I had to do

922
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: more with this life than what I had done up

923
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: to that point. And same for you, man, like you

924
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: had a situation where you and Tracy it was really hard.

925
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 2: There's a lot of challenges raising a child with autism.

926
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 2: For you to use it to help others, not everybody

927
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: does that. So again it's it's my favorite thing about

928
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: you guys, man.

929
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Speaker 3: I love you. I appreciate it. And in Jay the

930
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 3: giving back. You know, I I heard a sermon one

931
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 3: day where this guy where the priest, was talking about

932
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: depression and then a number of his in his opinion,

933
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: the number one cure for depression is giving service. Absolutely,

934
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: if you keep if you're constantly giving back and being

935
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 3: of service, yes, then that was his to him, that

936
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Speaker 3: was his number one cure.

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Speaker 2: Buddy. I appreciate you joining me. Thank you for vulnerable.

938
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Speaker 2: I am going to charge you five hundred dollars for

939
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: laying on my couch today, so thank you for that.

940
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: I'm not a therapist, but I am going to charge

941
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 2: you five hundred dollars for today. Thank you for joining me. Steinds.

942
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Speaker 3: I appreciate it, brother, But you do play one on TV.

943
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Speaker 3: Thank you.

944
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: Josh Sneider, not the one from Dukes of Hazard, but

945
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Speaker 2: the general manager of the Seattle Seahawks