WEBVTT - Inside Lines 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:07.880 Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:13.520 the players, by the players. Here's your host, fourteen year 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:23.680 NFL veteran and Hall of Famer a Enius Williams. Hello, 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:27.120 and welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. I'm a Nius Williams. 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:31.800 Today we have two extraordinary women who, in addition to 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:35.319 being the wives of two NFL legends, have made an 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:41.240 impact on the NFL community and their own local communities. First, 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:45.720 we have a Toya burl Liston, whose husband probably pushed 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:49.720 me off being a received the National Football League many times. 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:54.520 All right, make sure you tell him that atorya wife 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:59.440 of NFL legend and current broadcaster Nate Burleson. And we 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:04.960 also have Tia Avril, whose husband Cliff Avril, spent ten 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:11.720 season second NFL quarterbacks. Together they have created in Sidelines 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:16.440 Are blog and a podcast of their own, which just 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:22.800 kicked off the second season. Welcome, ladies, thank you. I'm 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.720 just referring to we called the former players Legends. I'm 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:27.920 just you guys started your own podcast. You going it 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:30.480 to your second season. So how about I'm talking to 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:38.320 some legendary ladies. How about that? Do that? All right? 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:41.520 I want to start with your podcast. It's a lot 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:45.000 of times people have ideas and they think about doing things. 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:49.280 It's a whole nother thing to do it your podcast, 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:54.000 which is fantastic because it showcases the balance between family, 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:58.240 commitment and community that comes with being an NFL family. 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:03.080 Here's my first question, what inspired you guys to start it? 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:08.359 Ta so Atoya has served as my big sister since 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:13.440 UM I officially started my NFL journey UM with Cliff 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.400 in two thousand eleven, and I call her with just 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:20.240 about any and everything, any question that is NFL related, 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.200 like can you help me find a citer because you're 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.080 in the city without family members and you know you 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:26.880 need a little bit of help, or just filling the 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.560 blank anything. And as we got going, we were like, 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:31.760 if I'm asking this question, and I know a lot 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:35.200 of other women are also asking um these same questions, 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:37.760 and so then we are will started turning like, well 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:42.320 maybe we need to start something to yeah, absolutely think 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.720 about it. And they played in the NFL for eleven years, 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.160 so I met a lot of different women and we 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:49.520 all kind of went through the same things. We you know, 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:52.639 we were always around each other, and so when they retired, 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.720 I thought you know, I met some amazing women with 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.120 these great voices, things that they want to discuss and 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:00.760 talk about. It would be a idea to start a 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.680 podcast and just get everyone to come together and connect 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.360 to empower women and just discuss different topics that people 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.320 may not know about they might find interesting. So T 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.360 and I got together and I'm like, let's do it. 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:15.440 She was like, let's do it. And that was it. 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:18.800 We were off to the races. So what's your mission, 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:23.480 what's your aiming point, what's your goal with this? Well, 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:25.880 you know, my goal is just to give women a 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.280 platform to be able to come on and discuss different 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:30.480 topics or things that they may have going on. Um. 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.400 I leave it open, and I want them to feel 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.680 comfortable going somewhere where they feel like it's a safe haven. 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.120 They can say whatever they want to say and there's 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:42.400 no judgment. Um. And I want to actually have women 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.520 on that are not just wives in the NFL, but 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:47.640 also I want to talk about career with women in 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.520 the NFL. You know, you have people in the offices 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.440 that no one knows about. It'd be great too to 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:55.720 put them out there and she let them share their 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:57.920 stories how they got there. You know how long they 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:02.040 loved football, how long they've watched and what made them 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:06.480 decide to take the path of the NFL life. So 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:10.520 a lot of women that I've met, I'd say, especially 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:14.040 t and I talked about this too in Seattle. Uh, 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.840 we're amazing women and they were so helpful and their 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:21.560 careers were you know, helpful to us as women as wives, 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.840 and so why not celebrating. Yeah, And I think there's 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:29.919 also a misconception that because we are NFL wives excuse me, 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.839 NFL wives, that we don't experience anything. And so when 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:34.880 we get we started getting the questions like, well, what's 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:36.600 it like to be an NFL wife, And it's like 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.359 the same thing is like to be the wife of 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.640 a banker, you know. Um, So it was good to 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:45.279 kind of like show that we also struggle have similar 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.760 issues and obstacles to face as other women, um, just 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.200 from a different perspective. So, so, where do you guys 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:56.000 see this going and how can otherwise connect or get 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.679 involved with you guys? You know the skies and limit. 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:03.080 We just hope to be able to reach everyone, to 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.400 show women that are out there that there's a platform 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:09.000 for us as well. Um, and as far as how 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:11.320 they can reach us. Um. They can reach us via 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:15.680 insidelines podcast dot com. Um. We also have our email 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.280 which is inside Lines podcast at gmail dot com. And 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:20.120 they can hit us up on social media as well 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:23.880 insidelines podcasts. So few few are ways to get in 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.599 touch with us. Yeah, it's like we're always looking to 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.920 have other women on to share their stories, but then 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.760 to also talk about what they're going on. So we've 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:36.520 experienced the kind of like putting our all into our 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.119 families and our husbands, and now we're in this phase 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.640 of like rediscovering ourselves. And so everybody's journey is different. 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.680 So it's pool would to listen to everybody's story, um, 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:48.560 and to like just give inspiration um to the rest 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.440 of the ladies. I want to talk about the extended 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:55.880 NFL community with your ladies, which is very special and 0:05:55.960 --> 0:06:01.000 which most people don't pay attention to. Here's the first question. 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:06.960 What circumstances led to YouTube meeting each other? You gonna 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:11.360 take that to you. Yeah, we were both in Detroit. 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:17.080 Our our husband's play played together in Detroit, UM and UM, 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:20.760 I remember going to every year like once this season, 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:24.919 right before the season begins, they have a women's conference 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.800 where they call all the women in, whether their wives, girlfriends, whomever. 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:29.800 You come in, you meet everyone, you get to know 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.960 people in that specific team, that community. So it's Detroit 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.680 Lions for us. And I saw Teas sitting over there 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:39.000 and she had this new baby, and I remember that. 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.679 I remember being a new mom and you know, trying 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:44.600 to connect and not know anyone, and I just went 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.560 over and introduced myself and I grabbed her baby. She 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.320 probably that I was crazy I grabbed her baby. Not 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:54.960 crazy at all, thankful, and I'm just started talking with 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.000 her and getting to know her. And here we are, 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:01.280 what ten years later? Yeah, So just a little bit 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:05.320 more background. Um Cliff was drafted in two thousand and eight, 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.920 but we had a long distance relationship up into two 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.000 thousand and eleven when I gave birth to my son. 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:14.360 And this was Cliff was in a holdout situation like 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:16.640 all these things, but reported the day after I gave birth. 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.320 So here I am, like the beginning of August, just 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:23.040 a complete mess. And I get invited to this women's 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:26.400 brunch and so she doesn't like which we talked about it, 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.640 but I was a complete mess that day, scared I'm 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:32.520 gonna be late, I don't know, baby, just like complete 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:34.760 and utter mess. And when I sat down and she 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:36.960 saw me and came over like I was like, you 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.640 don't know. That was like a hug to me, you know, 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:41.720 like I said, you in the city by yourself with 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.840 this new baby. It was a mess. So she hasn't 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:50.239 been able to me. Now, how do you find that connection? Toya? 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.280 If you're in the room, I know you you're drawing 0:07:55.520 --> 0:08:00.120 with the baby. But how do you encourage even new 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:04.720 NFL wives, current wives, how do they connect with the 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.920 tia how you connect with the Toya's You know, we 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:09.800 talked about this a little bit on our podcast. We 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.000 talked about, you know, having the courage to go up 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.320 to someone and introduce yourself um. And then as far 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:17.760 as you know veteran wives, you know, them reaching out 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:19.480 and saying, hey, you know, do you new anything, what 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.680 do you need? What's going on? Um? And we even 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.120 discussed a little bit about I think it's so important 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:29.480 for teens to understand that everyone is new and so 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.640 just to have like it would be great to have 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:35.240 something for wives to look at and say, Okay, this 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:36.960 is where I can find a doctor, this is where 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.600 I could find sitters, you know, whatever it is that 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:42.880 they needed, be nice to like reference something. Um. But 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.760 it starts with just connecting with women and just friendships. 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:47.600 I think that is so important because we're all in 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.400 the same boat. You know, we're living in this city, Tia. 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:54.000 You know that we need each other. That's what it's 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.760 about for me at least, And I would say that's 0:08:56.760 --> 0:09:00.120 something that Toya taught me. It's just it's important to 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.720 reach out and like just be more cognizant of what's 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:04.880 going on around you because sometimes we can get so 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.480 tunnel vision and you know, we're going to training camp, 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.040 are going to whatever, and you see people, but again 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:12.800 your tunnel vision, right. Um. But one thing of Toyo 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.240 taught me, especially when I left Detroit and went to Seattle. 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.160 When we came to Seattle, I was the old lady 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.599 on the block. Now, so then it was me for 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.400 you know, looking for the young ladies and bringing everybody together, um, 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:28.000 welcoming everybody into our homes, are playing in social events, etcetera. Um. 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:32.280 So connecting is important. Now. One thing, we know, you 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.560 guys are now legends, your your husband's are retired. Right. 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.719 It's difficult a lot of times to stay connected. How 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:43.680 have you guys stay connected now that the careers in 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:48.840 the NFL are over. Yeah, so we decided to make 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:53.240 Seattle our home. UM. And so Cliff Is it took 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:56.199 him a minute to like really settle into I'm retired. 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.600 He used to go to the facility twice a two 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.040 or three times a week. Was every game. I was like, 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:05.439 you know, you were retired, right. So we've been connected 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:09.600 with current players. A lot of farmer Seattle Seahawks also 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.760 retired here. So it's been good because Cliff is also 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.320 a seeker of knowledge, so he utilizes the NFL legends, 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:19.880 like the NFL community and things like that, um more 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.440 now than he did before. And so he's taken it 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:24.600 back to the other players sharing and we, like you, 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.240 we all just stay connected and stay involved with the 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:31.600 team and the community out here. UM. I say, for me, 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:33.920 you know, it's been interesting. My journey has been kind 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.320 of crazy. I think about the eleven years we played 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.400 and then we finally decided we're going to just stay 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:40.760 in Seattle, but then we ended up moving to Arizona 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:44.200 because Nate started with NFL Network and then after a 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.120 year there, they were like okay, and I was excited 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.360 about being in Arizona, Let's be clear, because that's home 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:52.640 for me. And for me it was huge because I've 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:56.200 always been either with Nate's family or a way. So 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.880 to finally be home back in Arizona and the sunshine, 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.080 I was like, cool, We're good retiring here. This is 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:05.520 it is it? But then Nick Nate told me that 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.880 NFL Network wanted him to move to New York to 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:13.040 start Good Morning Football, and I was like, no, you 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.959 go ahead, go, But we had this unspoken rule, actually 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:20.640 it was a spoken role. We talked about it wherever, 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.760 and it was wherever he went or wherever I went, like, 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:27.160 we go together. So we move our family together because 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:32.040 we wanted to keep that um close knit you know, connection, 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.080 and I wanted Nate obviously to be around the kids 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:38.280 and vice versa. So um it was for me. It's 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.120 been hard in the sense that I don't get to 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.760 see as many people like Utia, like when you're saying 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.480 a lot of people retiring in Seattle. But I have 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.360 my my girlfriends, like lifelong girlfriends that we have our 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.840 group chats, we still talk, we still connect um. We 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:54.600 try to get together at least once a year using 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.320 around my birthday. I have like for my forty if 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.880 we had what it was ten or twelve of us 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:02.880 that all came together, different teams, different areas, and it's 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:06.199 like we all knew each other because everyone was so amazing. 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:10.600 These women are phenomenal, and I just that's exactly why 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:12.120 I wanted to start the podcast in the first place. 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:15.640 I just wish everybody could see the different type of 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:20.000 women in the NFL, the different you know, some women work, 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:23.280 some women don't work, some women have their own businesses. 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:27.000 It's just there's so much variety and amazing women that 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.040 I feel like has always kept me connected to them. 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:33.719 Well what part of Arizona are you from? So, and 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.960 if I have a funny story for you? No, yes, 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:42.960 So I was raised in Chandler, Arizona. Really yes, but 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.199 I was always in sports. My dad always had me 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:50.640 in sports. So I played basketballronman track and um, I'll 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:54.000 never forget. There was a kids it was a sports 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.040 even and I always did this sports even every year. 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:58.880 And they told me that someone was coming to speak, 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:03.280 and in you walked, and I was probably at that 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:07.120 time fourteen years old, and I listened to you speak, 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:11.520 and you were so powerful and I really avoid you. 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.360 And then fast forward I think it was two or 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:18.800 three years later, I ended up working with UM at 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:23.280 a it was a beauty salon and it was Vicky's 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.000 beauty line and Auratuki and you walked in again. So 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:32.240 I've met you on and off like throughout my life. Yeah. 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.560 You's when I they told me that you know, you 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.400 were going to lead us to this podcast. I was like, oh, 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:39.920 I know exactly who he is. I'm excited to see. 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:45.360 That's awesome. So do you know Cam Cam Jordan's Yes, 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:54.479 I know Cam m exactly, y' y'all rocket and right exactly. Yes, 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:58.520 all the work he's been doing is amazing as well. Yes, yes, 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:04.160 sofl failings see men like your husband's being active in 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:10.280 their communities, but with that, they rarely ever see the 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:15.000 great player and his family. Here's a question, however, your 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:21.240 families made community commitment a team effort. So we UM 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:25.080 started a family foundation UM in two thousand and fourteen, 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:28.840 where we've been like extremely active in the city of Jacksonville, 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:30.960 which is where where Cliff is from the city city 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.160 of Seattle, but then also in Haiti. So Cliff's mom 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.440 and dad are Haitian they were born in Haiti, came 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:40.440 to the States and name Haighties and UM. When we 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:44.560 got to Seattle, it had been brewing in Cliff's heart too. 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.160 He really wanted to do something in Haiti. And we 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:51.080 connected with UM, an organization called we by way of 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.960 Marshawn because Marshaun had done some work with him in Africa. 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:58.560 And we went down to Haiti adopted UM an orphanage UM, 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:02.000 but also up to school and so we are like 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.480 head first in the community there. UM we always bring 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.200 family members back with us because one I am I 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.400 cannot speak Creo. So Cliff's family, uh you know, we 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.080 made a family event like and even his family members 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.480 that are still in Haiti. They would drive the two 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:20.040 hours to Hinge where the school is, to UM help 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.520 UM physically build a school. And then also in the 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:27.000 city of Seattle, we get our kids involved. So we 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:30.960 adopted UM a local school here, low income school. And 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.400 we do like mentoring groups, so we did back to 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:36.560 school drives. We just UM did a driver and we 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.640 gave the group the kids and our mentor and group 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.960 computers for virtual learning. So we always try to make 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.000 it a team effort that I think the one thing 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.800 that's difficult is like having kids that are humble, and 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.800 so my kids are young four and nine, but it's 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:52.840 good to like take them with us when we go 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.920 to do Christmas shopping with all these kids, and with 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.040 us when we are like mentoring the kids at the school, 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.160 just so they can see that there's another side, um 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:06.760 to this life experience a toy. Describe how your work 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.840 with Nate Uh, your work with't Neate to determine how 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:14.640 to make the greatest impact possible in your community. How 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.560 is that better? You know, I've always loved kids, and 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:20.880 that's to me, that's huge, just giving back to the kids. 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:26.080 Um My degree was an education, so um anything that 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:29.200 has to do with kids is huge. So for me, 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:31.800 we at the beginning of the year, we always do 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:36.400 a backpack UM giveaway and so we and like Tia said, 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.000 you bring your kids to that because you want them 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.880 to see and understand. We always try to do things 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.280 as far as speaking with kids. When we went back 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.960 to Arizona, we always spoke the Arizona cheated as the 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.840 track team that I was on um and Uh. We 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.640 always try to basically teach these kids that there are 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:54.760 so many options that you may not be aware of. 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.200 But that's why people like you and he is or 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:00.880 as we come along to give you you you know, 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:03.400 just a different glips into something that you may not 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:07.040 know about. Right. So, UM, that is so important to me. 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:09.680 I told my kids it's so important to give back 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.280 and they know that as far as giving to other 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.879 kids and blessing other kids, it helps you to realize 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.480 the lens is different everyone's eyes. I don't think you 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.480 do that before, but um, in Detroit, you remember the 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.480 coke giveaway that they had every year. These kids and 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:28.959 not have colts, so you're giving coats to kids and 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.720 my kids were right out there. You have to push 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:33.399 them to get out there and meet other kids and 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:36.000 see kids because kids don't know, they only know what 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:39.960 they see, right, So you bring them along and just 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:44.800 help others to feel empowered and feel encouraged. I feel 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:48.240 like it's so important m HM when it comes to 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:53.240 making a difference with inside lines. What are your ongoing goals? 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:58.040 You know? Sorry, UM, I'm sorry, Yeah, ongoing goals would 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.600 be UM, I definitely want to get more women on 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.040 to do more panels. Um, there's it's great to have 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.240 women on and to interview them to discuss things that 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.280 go on in the NFL. But there's also like underlying 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:12.160 issues that people need to discuss, whether it's mental illness, 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:15.760 whe we've talked about, you know, women with postpartum depression, 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:19.960 We've talked about so many different issues that people may 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:23.000 not know about. And it actually, I don't want to 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.679 say humanizes, but some people see the glitz and the 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.680 glamour in the NFL, right, and they think that's all is. 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.359 But when you have women on their speaking about real 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:34.960 life issues, UM discussing things that they may you know, 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.600 people may not know that's going on, it kind of 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.920 helps you to be relatable and women will reach out 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.040 and say, oh my gosh, I went through that same thing. 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.600 I'm out alone. Thank you for sharing, thank you for 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:50.399 your resources. So we want to be UM a place 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.679 that people can speak out and most important, and we 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:55.040 can share resources to help with it along the way 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:59.000 as well. Absolutely, I think UM the main goal being 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:04.639 storytellers UM, because the Toya's point is they see all 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.000 the NFL players and they you know, they see Maid 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:08.960 on TV and you know, doing all these things, and 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:11.920 they just think that we don't have issues or obstacles 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:14.720 and things like that. So even taking um, for example, 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:17.760 the racial climate that we're in. We did a panel 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:21.040 this preseason where we brought women from across the NFL 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:23.840 and we just talked about things that we experienced, things 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.600 that our kids experienced at school, being at school with 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:33.880 predominantly um white kids, and just the mental and emotional 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:38.040 trials that they experienced in that, or the notion of oh, 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:42.080 because you have money that no nobody discriminates against you, 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.160 or you don't have like those type of issues. So 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.679 it's just been our goal is to just continue to 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:51.360 be storytellers, to continue to humanize the US, the players, 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.919 because especially with fantasy football, it's like you're just another 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.919 token out there, you know. So I definitely want to 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:02.120 be good storytellers. La. What did you enjoy most when 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:06.119 your husband's were playing in the NFL? Oh, gosh, Um, 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:08.960 so many things. Um, if I were to pick, well, 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:12.000 obviously you enjoy game day, right, that's a given. The 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:15.360 charities were amazing. I learned so much in the NFL 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:18.199 with charity, you know, the different charity events that we 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:20.520 went through. I went to that I didn't even know existed. 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.560 That was amazing. Um. But I would say most importantly, 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:25.199 which is the reason kind of why I decided to 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:29.720 do this, he knows, is the women. Like the connectivity 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:34.400 and the friendships that we made were so phenomenal. It 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:37.280 was so amazing. And um, you know, it's just like 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:38.960 you guys in the locker room, you have your teammates. 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:42.920 You guys have your stories that you guys will never forget. 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:46.919 You know, we have those same type of stories, um 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:48.960 or whether we went to dinner, to a friend's house, 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:51.520 we went to a concert. We have those same type 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:53.680 of stories with our girls that will never forget. As well. 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:58.520 What do you enjoy most now that your husband's are 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:04.160 NFL legends, Well, I enjoy him actually being at home. 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:08.640 So what we talked about, Toy and I talked about 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:12.800 all the time is, you know, balancing kids is a lot. 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:14.800 In balancing the household and things like that, it's a 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:17.879 lot in general. And UM, I think sometimes the guys 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:20.919 kind of feel like, well, you guys aren't working, so 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:23.439 you should be okay, And it's like, okay, try you know, 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:26.159 let's switch roles. Um. And so we've been able to 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:29.680 do just that, and so Nowcliff is like, okay, let's 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:31.920 schedule in some me time, I'm like, yes, you got 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:36.280 like you have to do that. I've enjoyed him being home. 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:41.320 But then also I told him when he retired, Um, 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:43.639 it was one of one of the first times I 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:47.440 was able to actually enjoy the game without being nervous 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:50.719 until you know, to the clock expired. Um. So he's like, 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:52.359 well you didn't enjoy it before. I'm like, it was 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:55.160 a fun experience, but you're not being out out there 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:57.000 on the field. It's like, I know you're gonna walk 0:21:57.800 --> 0:21:59.960 home with me and not end up in an ambulance, 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:05.040 which has happened through time. Wow. Wow. Alright, final question, 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:08.960 what is the one essential thing all families must have 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:13.560 in order to thrive in the NFL. Okay, I'm gonna 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:17.360 say something that's very cliche, but I'm gonna say communication, 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:20.800 because I think a lot um of things breakdown. You 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:23.720 kind of drop a few balls when you don't communicate. 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:27.119 And then there's also this thing that women experience that's like, Okay, 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:30.000 the guys are so stressed being at work all day 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:32.399 every day. I don't want to burden him with whatever 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:36.199