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Speaker 1: fits On Fox Sports Radio, Buck Rising Jason Fitz. This

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Speaker 1: comes off on the heels of the Rams executing in

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Speaker 1: another trade. For the ninth time in the last ten years.

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Speaker 2: To the Rams.

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Speaker 1: They also give him a massive contract, So the Rams

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Speaker 1: But this is part of the process of looking in

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, they have made as many picks as any other

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Speaker 4: And why wouldn't you think that way unless you're actually

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Speaker 4: do the research there I got. I'm stealing a fact

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Speaker 4: quick to point out, no, they they actually make more

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Speaker 4: nailing their starting caliber players on Day two and day three,

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Speaker 4: which the degree of difficulty of that by percentage, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 4: much less fun to talk about that than the Christmas

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Speaker 4: Day effect of legal tampering or free agency, which technically

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Speaker 4: This stuff's been negotiated since the combine in Indianapolis for

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Speaker 4: They are not hoarding them. They are not you know,

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Speaker 4: being judicious in how they target players who are going

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Speaker 4: address those things because the quarterback has lessened your learning

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Speaker 1: Well, when you can find Puka Nakua in the fifth round,

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Speaker 2: The day that you fix your team, and it just isn't.

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Speaker 2: You got to have somebody on your team. But it

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Speaker 1: The real fix is in April, and it's not day

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Speaker 4: Well, and we've dubbed that the we suck luxury tax

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Speaker 4: with just a little under one hundred million dollars an

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Speaker 4: That's the priority with the Titans cap space. It's not

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Speaker 2: She looked at it and said, boy.

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Speaker 1: You better be sure you're in a super Bowl window

441
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Speaker 1: if you're giving up two first rounders, because you don't

442
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 1: have a clear pot to a quarterback now. So if

443
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,400
Speaker 1: you're the Colts. I guess the question is going to become,

444
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,800
Speaker 1: do you want to pay Daniel Jones fifty million dollars

445
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 1: a year? Or do you want to say no, thank

446
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,120
Speaker 1: you Daniel Jones and then go back to the well.

447
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,160
Speaker 2: And if you go back to the well, who are

448
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:55,880
Speaker 2: you bringing in?

449
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 1: This is where it gets really hairy for the Colts,

450
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,640
Speaker 1: because I do believe that Daniel Jones is a better

451
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 1: option than anybody else they're going to bring in on

452
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 1: a one year rental, like what are they gonna rent

453
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins for a year? But even if they do

454
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 1: that next year, they don't have a first round draft pick.

455
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:12,880
Speaker 1: They don't have a first round draft pick this year,

456
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 1: They don't have a clear path to getting a quarterback

457
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 1: anytime in the next couple of years.

458
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 2: So they don't need a one or two year rental.

459
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 1: They need a guy that's gonna come in for the

460
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 1: next three years and sort of stewart the ship.

461
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 2: So is that Kyler Murray like, would you rather have

462
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones?

463
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Speaker 5: Like?

464
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Speaker 2: At least the people that I've talked to and the

465
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Speaker 2: people that I.

466
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 1: Think I respect around the league to cover the league

467
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,919
Speaker 1: have made it clear Kyler Murray does not believe he

468
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: is a one year transitional quarterback. He is going to

469
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Speaker 1: go somewhere where he believes he can be a starter

470
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Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future. So if you're the Colts, are

471
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Speaker 1: you going to get into a bidding war for Kyler Murray?

472
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Speaker 1: I can't believe there's gonna be one, but yeah, I

473
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 1: mean it feels like you're gonna get into a bidding

474
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,439
Speaker 1: war with Malik Willis, thinking that you can actually go

475
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 1: out and replicate like your coaching staff is so good

476
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: that it wasn't Daniel Jones, it was Malik Willis. So

477
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Speaker 1: I don't know, because I've said that repeatedly and I

478
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 1: think it's worth echoing here, Buck that this year is

479
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 1: a terrible, terrible.

480
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 2: Offseason to make your team better.

481
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,120
Speaker 1: It's just if you need a quarterback right now, there

482
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 1: is one option in the draft that's widely regarded as

483
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Speaker 1: a future starter. Everything else we'll see ty Simpson maybe

484
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: over time. If you're the Colts, you don't have a

485
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: reasonable shot at ty Simpson. You don't have a draft

486
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Speaker 1: pick to even get you anywhere near one of the

487
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: quarterbacks next year, And this year's quarterback class is going

488
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 1: to give you what, Kirk cousins to a tongue of

489
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: a low Kyler Murray, I don't love any of those options.

490
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 1: I feel like Daniel Jones camp is walking in saying

491
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Speaker 1: I want half Eddie because they know they have all

492
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Speaker 1: the leverage here, like they know the Colts don't have

493
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:43,479
Speaker 1: a better option.

494
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to Overbay to keep what you know.

495
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's I mean.

496
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Speaker 4: Fans won't like that because it's one of those situations

497
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 4: where you're telling them no, your player is not going

498
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 4: to do what's in the best interest of the team,

499
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 4: necessarily just for the sake of doing what's in the best.

500
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Speaker 3: Interest of the team.

501
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 4: That's where the divide tends to happen, right where in

502
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 4: a lot of situations, you would look at fans or

503
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 4: anybody who takes issue with a player trying to maximize

504
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 4: their business leverage and say, yeah, but wohen you do

505
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 4: the same thing if you were in a similar situation,

506
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 4: because the vast majority of us all work for somebody, right,

507
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 4: most of us are employees, as opposed to business owners

508
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,959
Speaker 4: who look at our particular situation and say, no, you

509
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 4: pay me what I'm worth or I will find another

510
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 4: opportunity that gets me closer to what I'm worth. But

511
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 4: in you know, that works against the very nature of

512
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 4: what it is to be a fan, where you're not

513
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 4: rooting for individuals over the organization. You're not rooting for

514
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 4: your players over the laundry that they wear. Right in

515
00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 4: that the famous line about laundry. I think that in

516
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 4: the situation for the Colts, I mean, who feels like that,

517
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 4: like twenty twenty six is a bigger waste of time

518
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 4: for than Indianapolis. I just don't know what you grab onto,

519
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 4: what you latch onto if you're a Colts fan to say, no,

520
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 4: this is the reason that I'm going to watch my

521
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 4: team in twenty twenty six, which sucks to say, because.

522
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 3: They have fun players, right.

523
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 4: They have Tyler Warren, they have Jonathan Taylor, who still

524
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 4: remarkably is under thirty years of age and one of

525
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 4: the best running backs in football. They've got an offensive

526
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 4: line unit, They've got some fun players on defense these

527
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 4: last couple of years that they've added. They just they

528
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 4: they don't have a quarterback and have put themselves in

529
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 4: this position because of one bad luck and two of

530
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 4: their circumstances around the situation before the bad luck befell them.

531
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Speaker 4: There's really nothing you can say to a Colts fan

532
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 4: that is going to be a reasonable argument about, yeah,

533
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 4: you should be able to compete in twenty twenty six.

534
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Speaker 3: You can you can talk about the.

535
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 4: What's the word the repeat offenders as far as basement

536
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 4: of the league type of situations. We talked about the Raiders,

537
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 4: Titans fans and Raiders fans, I think have some hope

538
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 4: for the first time in a while. Whether it's cam Ward,

539
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 4: whether it's the idea for Nando Mendoza. How soon that

540
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 4: comes to fruition in Vegas remains to be seen. It

541
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 4: sounds like their intention fits is not to play him

542
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 4: right away, but you know, best laid plans go sideways

543
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 4: as soon as you start to feel a little pressure

544
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 4: in those situations. But Cleveland and New York are similar

545
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 4: right where there's just not a lot of hope to

546
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 4: be had around the jets of the Browns at this

547
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 4: particular point in time. But even then, I still think,

548
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 4: I still think it would feel worse maybe to be

549
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 4: a Dolphins fan, a Dolphins fan or a Colts fan

550
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 4: right now, because you're looking at your roster and just

551
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 4: being like, what even do they do here. Not even

552
00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 4: the best armchair general manager with the wildest fantasy abilities

553
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 4: to put together a Madden type of roster could come

554
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 4: up with a solution that that's gonna make those teams

555
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 4: meaningfully important this coming season. And that sucks if you're

556
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Speaker 4: a fan.

557
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 1: But I guess my clap back to that would be,

558
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a Colts team that, my god,

559
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: they finished last year eight and nine. We're talking about

560
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: them like they were just hot garbage.

561
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,959
Speaker 2: They weren't. They finished last year eight and nine. They

562
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: were right on the cusp of being able.

563
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: To be able to make that. Sorry, yeah, they finished

564
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: eight nine. I want to make sure I had that right.

565
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:32,719
Speaker 1: They finished eight nine.

566
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 3: They started eight and two.

567
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. I mean, that is a epic losing streak.

568
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,959
Speaker 1: They also lost their quarterback, right, So, how many teams

569
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: right now? If it were the Titans and the Titans

570
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: started eight and two and cam Ward got hurt in

571
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: that process, God forbid, knock on Wood, and they went

572
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: on this just rabbit hole of losing games at the

573
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: end of the year, you know that your local show

574
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: would be all fans saying, hey man, once we get healthy,

575
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: we're gonna be just fine.

576
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Speaker 2: I don't know that it's that simple like that.

577
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: Look, the salary cap situation is already difficult for the Colts.

578
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: It's part of the reason that they haven't been able

579
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: to resite Alec Pierce. Who's gonna go out and test

580
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: the market. Alec Pierce looks like he's going to get

581
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: a massive amount of money from somebody. They've got to

582
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: figure out the Daniel Jones situation. You're right, They've got

583
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: some contracts that they're gonna have to work out. They're

584
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: gonna have to figure some things out monetarily. I don't

585
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: necessarily like the culture were so good early in the

586
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: season and then it fell apart. How much of that

587
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,479
Speaker 1: was Daniel Jones had a little cold streak and then

588
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: was very hurt. How much of that was Daniel Jones

589
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: maybe got exposed. I don't know the answer to that,

590
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: but I think that if you're a Colts fan, the

591
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: one thing you don't want to do is just give

592
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: up on everything that last year felt like because your

593
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: quarterback got hurt, Like, you don't want to have to

594
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: go all the way back to suddenly having Philip Rivers

595
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: as an actual quarterback option, like then you're really screwed.

596
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: If I'm a coltsman, I want Daniel Jones back and

597
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: I don't care about the.

598
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 3: Money, no, for sure.

599
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 4: But it's not that simple, right because last year doesn't matter.

600
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 4: Last year is completely irrelevant to this year's success or

601
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 4: twenty twenty seven or whatever that looks like. And Fitzy,

602
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 4: I have covered a situation like this in twenty twenty two.

603
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 4: The Titans started, Mike Frabele was the coach, Ryan Tannehill

604
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 4: was still the quarterback, Derrick Henry was still here. They

605
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 4: started seven and three, seven and four, went to Philadelphia.

606
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 4: That was the year that they traded AJ Brown to

607
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 4: the Eagles. AJ and the Eagles just absolutely put it

608
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,719
Speaker 4: on them and they went and they finished the season

609
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 4: on a seven game losing streak. Now Tannehill got hurt

610
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 4: in the middle of that. That was Malik Willis's rookie year.

611
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 4: It's a lot different world. But we're talking about Malik

612
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 4: Willis getting ready to getting ready to hit free agency

613
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 4: and likely cash in as one of the best, if

614
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 4: not the best, available options at the quarterback position in

615
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 4: free agency this year. But they they it felt it

616
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 4: felt as hopeless a situation as any that I can remember,

617
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 4: mostly because I've never seen. They just didn't have answers.

618
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 4: They could not figure out any way to stop the bleeding.

619
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 4: They tried changing quarterbacks. They brought in Josh Dobbs, they

620
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 4: started him in the final couple of games of the season.

621
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 4: They were a strip, sack, fumble recovery touchdown away from

622
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 4: still winning the division in Week eighteen against the Jags,

623
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 4: and it just completely turned on its head, right. There

624
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 4: was nothing that they could do to stave off both

625
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 4: the bad luck and the circumstances that their roster was in.

626
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 4: And you went into twenty twenty three not thinking that,

627
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 4: for example, Mike Vrabel was going to get fired, and

628
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 4: that was the last run for those Titans teams that

629
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 4: were good under Derrick Henry and Ryan Tannehill and everything.

630
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 4: You know, the band broke up after that at that point.

631
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 4: I think they finished six to eleven, if I'm not mistaken,

632
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty three. But they kept trying to hang

633
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 4: on as an organization, as a coaching staff. Frankly, they

634
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 4: kept trying to hang on to no, there's enough here

635
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 4: that we can continue to get this right. And they

636
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 4: just couldn't get passed. So many the mistakes that had

637
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 4: put them in that situation. Also, their drafting had been horrendous,

638
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 4: so they were not going to be able to dig themselves.

639
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 3: Out of that hole.

640
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 4: You can't assign much value of we did this last year.

641
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 4: We're not that far away because you immediately reset the

642
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 4: board to zero as soon as you start a new season.

643
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.

644
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: I just I'm trying to find the right angle for

645
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 1: hope because certainly, if I'm coming off of an eight

646
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: to nine season and I'm in a prove it now,

647
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: I think you and I agree that the Indianapolis Colts

648
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: are sort of out of runway, and even the Orsay

649
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: daughters made it clear that the expectations weren't met. Right,

650
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: So I think that there is some element of to me,

651
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard, who is the longest ten ured GM in

652
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: the NFL to not have a playoff appearance, wildly Chris

653
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: Ballard and Shane Steiken or bull sort of up against it.

654
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: I don't love the idea of going into a season

655
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: up against it, coming off eight to nine, knowing that

656
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: everybody expects at this point some sort of a step forward,

657
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Speaker 1: some sort of proof that the organization is headed in

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Speaker 1: the right direction moving forward and doing that with Malik

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Speaker 1: Willis is my quarterback, Like I keep going back to

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Speaker 1: Maleak because there's just no proof of concept for Malik Willis.

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Speaker 1: Like I have a hard time if I'm sitting here

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Speaker 1: today and I run the Colts and I have to

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Speaker 1: decide between Daniel Jones, Malik Willis, and Kyler Murray. I

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Speaker 1: would rather have Daniel Jones in that situation. I just

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Speaker 1: I'm not a huge Kyler Murray believer, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think that there's enough proof of concept in Malik Willis

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Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form to make me comfortable

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Speaker 1: betting my ability to pay my mortgage on that man

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Speaker 1: to be my starting quarterback moving forward. He has like

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Speaker 1: a hundred passes. What are we talking about here? So

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Speaker 1: to me, Buck, I look squarely at it and say, man,

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Speaker 1: if I'm up against it, and you know, I got

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Speaker 1: to go home and look at little Timmy and little

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Speaker 1: Jennifer and figure out how we're gonna have dinner tonight,

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Speaker 1: Like how are we supporting our family? I'll overpay for

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones if that's what I have to do to

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Speaker 1: make sure I keep food on my table, because I'd

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Speaker 1: rather have Daniel Jones than the unknown of Malik Willis

679
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Speaker 1: or the known and I think not worth it of

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. So it's a weird situation because I hear you,

681
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Speaker 1: this is not ideal for the Colts to have to

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Speaker 1: turn around and overpay Daniel Jones. But even less ideal

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Speaker 1: is walking into this thing with no I mean, they've

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Speaker 1: given Anthony richards In the opportunity to shop for a

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Speaker 1: trade too, so like they have no first round pick,

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Speaker 1: I just don't know what they're going to do to

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Speaker 1: get into range of a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Kyler Murray raises some questions, go ahead, go.

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Speaker 4: Ahead, No, I was just gonna say, you deserve better

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we're you know, who's going to get

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Speaker 1: a good night's sleep at some point, Kyler Murray because

699
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Speaker 1: he's going to get a bag. The question is where

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Speaker 1: and what's it mean for one Super Bowl contender. We'll

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Speaker 1: tell you next these book on Fitz Bucking Fits on

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Speaker 1: It's two pros and a cup of Joe on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio, but it's a bucking Fits takeover, Buck Rising

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Speaker 1: Jason Fitz hanging out with you, trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: what to make of the soon to be revolving toward

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Speaker 1: the quarterback position and the ultimate one man's trash is

712
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Speaker 1: another man's treasure, because it certainly seems like this year

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Speaker 1: there are more quarterback needy teams that just are going

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Speaker 1: to be left with the.

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Speaker 2: Four a m end of the night of the bar.

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Speaker 2: I guess that's where we'll go for the evening. Like

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Speaker 2: gets it.

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Speaker 1: There aren't a lot of great options, Buck, There just

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Speaker 1: aren't a lot of like this is this.

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Speaker 3: Great amathy at the at the end of the night.

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Speaker 4: That's that's that's not just after the bar, that's after the.

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Speaker 3: H what do they call them after after party? After

723
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Speaker 3: the after party.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you went to the after party afterwards because you

725
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Speaker 1: were sure that there'd be some you know, maybe you'd

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Speaker 1: find your soulmate at the after party, because since you

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Speaker 1: didn't find them at the bar, and then you look

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Speaker 1: around after a while and you're like, well, toua, it

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Speaker 1: is like, I mean, I don't want to like, I mean,

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Speaker 1: just that's where we are, right. You just look around,

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Speaker 1: you like this one of those things where you're sitting

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Speaker 1: across from the bar and you do the nod to

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Speaker 1: Tua and Tua looks around. It's like, I guess like that,

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Speaker 1: I just would You're gonna have both sides being like, fine,

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Speaker 1: I guess.

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Speaker 2: I'll be the Jets quarterback. And I don't know what.

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Speaker 1: The easy answer is for how many teams this year

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Speaker 1: need a quarterback and for how expensive this market is

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Speaker 1: gonna get quickly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that's that's about where we're at.

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Speaker 4: It's who's left who is left for for these quarterback

742
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Speaker 4: needy teams where there's about eight of them, including the

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Speaker 4: Cardinals who just released or will release Kyler Murray officially

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Speaker 4: on Wednesday, And that's kind of the the I'm gonna

745
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 4: know that will have to wait until Wednesday. There will

746
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 4: be things, you know, discussed well in advance of that,

747
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Speaker 4: as we work our way through the legal tampering period

748
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 4: and things of this nature of the course the next

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Speaker 4: two days ahead of free agency in the new league year,

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Speaker 4: officially beginning Wednesday afternoon. But Malik willis here and Kyler

751
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Speaker 4: Murray at the top of the quarterback soon to be

752
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Speaker 4: free agent market. You have said many times that you

753
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Speaker 4: have heard Kyler Murray will seek a longer term deal,

754
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Speaker 4: not just a one year, proven type of situation. And

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Speaker 4: my understanding just on the on the the nature of

756
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Speaker 4: the release is that Arizona's basically going to allow him,

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Speaker 4: based on the money that they're having to eat, to

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Speaker 4: play for vet minimum somewhere else. You remember Russ's deal

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Speaker 4: with the Steelers after the Broncos had to basically buy

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Speaker 4: him out. Now, obviously that's you know, one of the

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Speaker 4: biggest buyouts in NFL history, Russell Will and so Kyler

762
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Speaker 4: is not quite there, but he's still going to have

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Speaker 4: some financial freedom to do a one term, a one

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Speaker 4: year deal, still make his money from Arizona and not

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Speaker 4: charge his next team an outrageous amount of money, Which

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Speaker 4: is why I think it might end up being a

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Speaker 4: shorter term situation for a better opportunity, don't you. I mean,

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Speaker 4: if you're Kyler, let's just talk about the people representing Kyler. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I think Eric Berkhart's agent if you are his representation.

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Speaker 4: Are you saying, Kyler, yeah, you got to paid a

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Speaker 4: from Arizona on the way out the door. You can

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Speaker 4: probably cash in here in a meaningful way if you

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Speaker 4: want to, but you're probably going to have to go

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Speaker 4: to one of these bottom feeder teams. But I've got

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Speaker 4: Minnesota here that'll go for it on a one year

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Speaker 4: deal if they don't have to pay a whole lot

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Speaker 4: of money. If you can work for somewhere around vet

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Speaker 4: minimum based on the money that you're already making in Arizona,

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Speaker 4: we think that might be the better opportunity for you.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 4: Are you advising, Kyler Murray you're a hypothetical client to

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Speaker 4: take the top of the free agent market money this

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Speaker 4: year where he will be the best available quarterback as

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Speaker 4: soon as he becomes available. Or are you saying, we

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Speaker 4: think as long as you believe in yourself and we

786
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Speaker 4: believe in you, that you can have better opportunities to

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Speaker 4: both win real football games and then cash in on

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Speaker 4: the other side of that after you've done your one

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Speaker 4: year Onimum in Minnesota or I guess Pittsburgh is theoretically

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Speaker 4: an option here as well, though that seems not as

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Speaker 4: much discussed or maybe not even a fit for what

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Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy wants to do.

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine that marriage.

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Speaker 1: Look for me, if I wrap to Kyler Murray, my

795
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Speaker 1: answer is simple, Kyler, We're going to play for VET

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Speaker 1: minimum this year on a deal in LA to go

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Speaker 1: to the.

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Speaker 2: Rams to be the backup quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Because what I get is I get a year out

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Speaker 1: of the spotlight where I'm working with Sean mcvagh, which

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Speaker 1: is automatically going to make people just presume that I

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Speaker 1: got better because I had a cup of coffee near

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay. But also, Matt Stafford is eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: seventy three years old for a starting quarterback. It gives

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Speaker 1: me a shot to go into that organization, learn that offense,

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Speaker 1: get real comfortable with it, have them get comfortable with me,

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Speaker 1: and be the successor to Matt Stafford. I have a

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Speaker 1: real shot at winning. That is my long term situation.

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Speaker 1: By getting in the building, like if if money is

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Speaker 1: no object, and for Kyler Murray at this point, it

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Speaker 1: certainly doesn't appear like it would have to be an object.

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Speaker 1: If money is no object, then what I want to

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Speaker 1: do is I want to put myself in the best

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Speaker 1: situation to win the games that I want to win,

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Speaker 1: and be on the best team that I can be,

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Speaker 1: and then make the next stage of my career as

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Speaker 1: profitable as possible.

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Speaker 2: To me, That all.

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Speaker 1: Screams Rams right, like you could go to Minnesota. Maybe

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Speaker 1: Minnesota makes more sense that the Vikings certainly.

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Speaker 2: Are front runner on it.

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Speaker 1: I struggle if I'm the Vikings, I just I struggle

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Speaker 1: to see this, Like you're giving up on JJ after

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Speaker 1: ten it's a lot of difficulty the Rams, they have

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Speaker 1: a starting quarterback, So like, hey, you're just coming in

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Speaker 1: there and you're gonna just work your way in from Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be fighting for the job. Do you want

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Speaker 1: to go somewhere where you're fighting for the job? Man,

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Speaker 1: I just don't know how that's gonna work for him.

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Speaker 1: And if if Minnesota signs him to a multi year there,

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Speaker 1: then Minnesota's given up on Jjjj's gonna go somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be Anthony Richards in part two. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: let him shop. I would think let him shop a

834
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Speaker 1: trade after ten games. If they sign Kyler to a

835
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Speaker 1: three year deal, they don't need JJ McCarthy anymore. But

836
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Speaker 1: I so I struggle to make it make business sense

837
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Speaker 1: for the Vikings. I think it makes business and football

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Speaker 1: sense for Kyler, Murray and the Rams all at once

839
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Speaker 1: because it could fill a future need.

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Speaker 4: So are you actually giving up on JJ McCarthy though,

841
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Speaker 4: if you do the one year deal, or are you

842
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Speaker 4: just saying JJ, we just want you to get right.

843
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Speaker 4: We want you to have the opportunity to actually learn

844
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Speaker 4: and grow here. We're going to give you the opportunity

845
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Speaker 4: to continue to develop in a way that most quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: heading it. It's kind of crazy that he's already heading

847
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Speaker 4: into year three. But we don't want we don't want

848
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Speaker 4: to bail on you yet. But we understand that you're

849
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Speaker 4: not that you're not quite ready in our estimation. Now

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Speaker 4: he may say, well to hell with you, I'm I

851
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Speaker 4: think I'm ready. I don't want to cause myself an

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Speaker 4: opportunity to cash in uh in on my on my payday.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that that's uh I don't think that

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Speaker 4: that's viable. And and JJ McCarthy may not agree with

855
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Speaker 4: that particular tactic, and we're talking in hypotheticals here. There's

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Speaker 4: nothing to say that Minnesota would actually go down that way.

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Speaker 4: I just don't think that's giving up on him.

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Speaker 1: Well, if they do a one year deal with Kyler,

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Speaker 1: that's not If they do a multi year with Kyler,

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Speaker 1: that's where it gets really complicated, because a multi year deal,

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Speaker 1: to me, is where you're saying I've given up on JJ.

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Speaker 2: What's that mean for the rest of the quarterbacks. We'll

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Speaker 2: tell you next on Fox Sports Radio.