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Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome back to You Need Therapy Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Kat and I am the host. And

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Speaker 1: before we get into anything, a quick reminder that this

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Speaker 1: podcast cannot and does not serve as a replacement for therapy. However,

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Speaker 1: with that, it might encourage you to go to therapy

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Speaker 1: or it might encourage you to talk about something new

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Speaker 1: in your therapeutic process. So today is a really fun

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Speaker 1: day because I get to have a conversation with one

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Speaker 1: of my friends, and I'm pumped to bring you this conversation.

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Speaker 1: It is with somebody who I now, I just realized

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Speaker 1: this when we were talking, but I've known him for

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Speaker 1: ten years. His name is Luke, and we met in

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Speaker 1: grad school in two thousand twelve when we went to

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Speaker 1: Vanderbilt's Human Development Counseling program. And our careers have been

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Speaker 1: led in different directions. But when you get to hear

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Speaker 1: us talk about our experience in the program and all

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Speaker 1: that it gave us and the things we wish you

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Speaker 1: would have known as pre therapists getting into the field.

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Speaker 1: Luke was back in the day, he was a program

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Speaker 1: director for a summer camp and he did that for

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Speaker 1: thirteen years and then eventually moved on to be a

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Speaker 1: primary therapist and the head of adolescent Therapy for an IOP,

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Speaker 1: which is an intensive outpatient therapy program in Nashville called

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Speaker 1: Integrative Life Center. Now, however, he is the president of

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Speaker 1: a company called Dream for. His company is a personal

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Speaker 1: well being and leadership development company and what they do

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Speaker 1: is help their partners intentionally move their company forward to

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Speaker 1: organizational health by inspiring healthy people, developing healthy leaders, and

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Speaker 1: building healthy teams. He is married to his wife, Ivy

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Speaker 1: and they have two kids, Annie who was born in

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Speaker 1: we did this over zoom. But Luke is an amazing person.

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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for the conversation we had, and he

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Speaker 1: was somebody that I was so excited to talk to

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Speaker 1: you because I was like, this could literally go anywhere,

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Speaker 1: and I like where it went. I liked the things

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Speaker 1: get something from it as well, because I know I did.

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Speaker 1: And then I just wanted to say we talked about

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Speaker 1: at the end of our conversation how people can get

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Speaker 1: in touch with Luke, if they hear about Dream four

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Speaker 1: and what they do, and if you want to be

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Speaker 1: a part of it or want them to help you

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Speaker 1: or your company or the leaders in your life. Um.

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Speaker 1: We talked about the website. However, it's actually undergoing rebranding,

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Speaker 1: so it doesn't actually give a clear picture of Dream four.

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Speaker 1: So he said he would rather you guys reach out

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Speaker 1: to him. Luke's email, I'm gonna put it in the

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Speaker 1: show notes. It's l u k E dot d u

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Speaker 1: R a h A M at dream d r e

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Speaker 1: A c T dot com. Of course I'm gonna put

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Speaker 1: that in the show notes because I'm assuming you guys

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Speaker 1: thank you Luke for doing this with me, and thank

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Speaker 1: you guys for you know, coming and listening to this podcast,

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Speaker 1: whether it's your first time or you've listened to every

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Speaker 1: single episode. I am grateful for you. I hope you

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Speaker 1: guys get what you need to get out of this

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Speaker 1: conversation and have the day you need to have. Here

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Speaker 1: is my conversation with my friend Luke. Welcome, guys I'm

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Speaker 1: sitting here with. Honestly, these are ways I was just

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Speaker 1: texting somebody. These are the interviews that I really enjoy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I enjoy all of them. I shouldn't say that,

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Speaker 1: but these are the interviews that I really enjoyed. Because

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting with an old I can call you an

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. We started our program in two thousand twelve.

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Speaker 1: That's so weird. Okay, so this is my friend Luke

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Speaker 1: and he was in my graduate school program in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and twelve years ago. Our program was three years.

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Speaker 1: I remember being like, I'm never going to graduate and

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Speaker 1: it was ten years when we started that in two thousand.

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Speaker 1: So he was a guy identifies as a man in

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Speaker 1: our program, and our program had I want to say,

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Speaker 1: So we were like fifteen people that were most closely

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Speaker 1: like I don't know how you did that, So I

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Speaker 1: that was like. And then also, you went into school

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Speaker 1: I understand. I didn't know, right. I don't think I

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Speaker 1: You know, my undergraduate degrees were in in psychology and communication,

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Speaker 1: And I get that all the time, like oh, are

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Speaker 1: And I love what you said because I went back

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Speaker 1: I was speaking for metals and the other guy in

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Speaker 1: our program wasn't about as quiet as you could get,

435
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Speaker 1: and so he wasn't gonna be anything. I don't think

436
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: we spoke more than five where to each other in

437
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: three years. And yeah, he was a really nice guy.

438
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 1: You know, he wasn't gonna say anything, and we kind

439
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Speaker 1: of formed an interesting bond. But I think there was

440
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Speaker 1: some weight to it, and probably one that I wasn't

441
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Speaker 1: prepared for or even anticipating, right, because we we don't

442
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Speaker 1: really see the lens in which we view the world

443
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: until it gets cracked, until we have experience that puts

444
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 1: us outside of our comfort zones or our norms, And

445
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Speaker 1: so there was no way that I could have been

446
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: prepared ready for that. You just experience it and then

447
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: you navigate through it. And I probably didn't do it

448
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: well or maybe as well as well. I think you

449
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: did the best you could. I think that was I

450
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: really love hearing you say you don't see the lens,

451
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: you see the world until it's cracked. It's like, yeah,

452
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: in hindsight, I would go back and do something differently,

453
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Speaker 1: but how was I can't know something until I know

454
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: it exactly. I mean, there's there's no regret towards that.

455
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Speaker 1: I think. It is just you know, you look back

456
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Speaker 1: and think about how much you and I just personally

457
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: have grown and since we've met each other in ten years.

458
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Speaker 1: I mean, of course you want to go back to

459
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve version of each one of us

460
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Speaker 1: in shake that person and wake him up a little bit.

461
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Speaker 1: But I do think that I don't know which side

462
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: played more of a role in kind of what I experienced,

463
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: the age or the or the or the gender, you know,

464
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Speaker 1: but it was interesting either which way. If you could

465
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Speaker 1: go back and say something to Luke in the middle

466
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Speaker 1: of the program, not at the beginning, at the end,

467
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Speaker 1: but like in the middle of it, like what what

468
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Speaker 1: would you want to like say when you said you

469
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Speaker 1: wanted to shake that version of you? Is there something

470
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Speaker 1: you would want to say a lot? Uh, it's it's

471
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Speaker 1: almost it's hard to distill kind of how much I've

472
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Speaker 1: grown in the last you know, really almost in the

473
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Speaker 1: last three years. I see it as kind of like

474
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Speaker 1: the true version of me or the version that I

475
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: enjoy that most of myself has come out. But I

476
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Speaker 1: think in the middle of the program, from just like

477
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Speaker 1: a a personal standpoint, what I would say, like, you

478
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: don't know, be open to learn any more, take in perspectives,

479
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 1: and be okay with not having an answer. I think

480
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: so many people right that that go into those type

481
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Speaker 1: of programs are exploring the meddal health profession. I think

482
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: that they're supposed to have answers, are to be able

483
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: to fix something that's impossible. Get rid of that expectation

484
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: to yourself that is a burden that none of us

485
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: should ever try to carry. It's impossible, it doesn't work, um.

486
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: And so I think at that point in time, I

487
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: would tell myself be open to learning, you don't know everything,

488
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: and then to UM. And this is something that I

489
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: think I tried to impart to the younger people in

490
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: the program, was the grades don't matter. Oh my god,

491
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: nobody is ever going to come into your office and

492
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: sit down and want to talk about their crab and

493
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: and go wait before I tell you about you know,

494
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: my my suicidal thoughts. What was your g P A

495
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: real quick UM and specifically in this one course. Right,

496
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: what did you get in your statistics class or your

497
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: assessment of statistics? I think I got like the grade

498
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: I needed to get to pass it. None of that

499
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: stuff matters, Like do the personal work of self exploration

500
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: and do the work to to learn how to connect

501
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,959
Speaker 1: with other people. Because truly to me, that that is

502
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: that is the asis for being a good helping professional.

503
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: Is how willing are you to step into somebody else's

504
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: shoes and in their experience and to have unconditional positive

505
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 1: regard for it, like to just to own them and

506
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: to to walk alongside them. It's helping people is not

507
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: about pushing or pulling them in any direction, right, It's

508
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: about walking alongside That is a true process that you

509
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: have to go through to learn. And I'll also tell

510
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: this to people too, is that it requires training in practice.

511
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: You can't just do that. Yes, knowledge is not enough

512
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: to do the work that we're all doing. If it was,

513
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: we could all just read a book. And if it was,

514
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: then like we wouldn't have to have the internships and

515
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have to I think that's so important, so important.

516
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: I was trying to answer that question myself and At first,

517
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: I was thinking before you spoke, I would say, I

518
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: think I would tell myself to pay attention. But I

519
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: think I would tell my elf that because of what

520
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: you said of like be open to learning. I think

521
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: in my head it was like I know enough, I

522
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: know what I know, I think what I think. But

523
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: the other thing I wonder, I wish I could go

524
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 1: back and talk to myself too, is like did I

525
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: think I knew enough? Or was I afraid of what

526
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: I didn't know? That that feels like yeah, because I

527
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: think that I was always like one of the one

528
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: my family. My role was like the smart one, and

529
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: so I clung to that, and in some of those

530
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: classes I was so lost, and so it was like

531
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: two parts of that. Afraid of what I didn't know

532
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: because like maybe I didn't understand what was happening, but

533
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: also like what am I going to find if I

534
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: hear what's being taught? Like what am I going to

535
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: find in myself? There's two things. Yeah, I think that

536
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: was part of it. And so if I could say something,

537
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: I think it would be like like it's okay, want

538
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: to not know things because so often I'm sitting with

539
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: a client and I don't know what to say. I'm

540
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: just like, oh, okay, okay, and I don't know what

541
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: they need. And sometimes I say that, like, I don't

542
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: really know what you need right now. So we've got

543
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: to figure that out. Because so it's not about knowing.

544
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: The best therapist that I've ever had that I still

545
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: see on occasion is he said to me, we're gonna

546
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: go on a fishing expedition and we're gonna walk around

547
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: and we're gonna drop lines. I'm gonna ask a whole

548
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: bunch of questions, adopt your life and your family history,

549
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: your background, and we may come up completely empty, and

550
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: we all may we also may find something. As a

551
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: therapist is a helping professional, like you don't know the

552
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: answer or the path for that person because it's their path.

553
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: It is something that you put your arm around somebody

554
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: and that you walk along with them, and then you

555
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: go on this expedition and you find it. You may

556
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: take a really long time to find it, or you

557
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: may find it really quickly. But it is about that,

558
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: and I think that I think I think you're right.

559
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: I think what we were to go back there into

560
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: that space is those roles that we that we embodied

561
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: from a young age. Right. You talked about your role

562
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: was the smart one. My role was the golden gil

563
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: to always be perfect. Right, that's not surprising. I was

564
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: the on the baby of five, you know, of five

565
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters, five siblings, and so for me, it

566
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: was always about protecting my image to other people. I

567
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: had to appear like I had it all together. I

568
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: had to appear like I knew everything, or that I

569
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: was successful or whatever else. And oh my gosh, what

570
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: a burden. Right, And I don't think I picked up

571
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: that until I was probably in my mid thirties, um,

572
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: when I went on this fishing expedition and and and

573
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: started to learn that. And that I think that's part

574
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: of you go back to, you know, being an older person,

575
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: being a mail in that program, is that I took

576
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: on that responsibility, right, I took on that weight of

577
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: how do I appear to my codewords, to my classmates,

578
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: to my professors, two of the people around me. And

579
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: holy fully, that's that's not healthy, right, That is incongrument.

580
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: Living in incongrument living is exhausting. So we're gonna transition

581
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: because I want you to talk a little bit about

582
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: your path to what you're doing now, because a couple

583
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: of years ago, I don't know if I got a

584
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: phone call or a text from you. If it was

585
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: a phone call, I probably didn't and if it was attacked,

586
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: answer like three days later. Okay, I have to look

587
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: right now how many miscalls I have on my phone.

588
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: It might make it might make you feel better. But

589
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: hold on, let's see here what do I have? I have?

590
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: So for anybody listening to this, let me just set

591
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: up how this zoom call started. That is that case.

592
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: He's like, okay, hey, it can so. Luke is like

593
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: here with the notes at nine fifty five, right, and

594
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: then fully expecting a text at ten from Catherine to say, hey,

595
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be late, which is exactly how. That's only

596
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: three minutes late. Um, still it was late. And I

597
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: said that, and then I said I bet you're early,

598
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: and then he was like, yes, I am. So I

599
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: have right now twenty four miss text, which isn't that

600
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: that's not that many. I have two thousand seven and

601
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: twelve unopened emails. Like, my heart's racing when you say that,

602
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: because you yours, you're probably a zero. I cannot live

603
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: in a world with that little red circle. I have

604
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: twenty five miss calls twenty two voicemails. So the moral

605
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: of that story is, do not call me. I have

606
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: all night answer. Anyway, So I got some kind of

607
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: communication from you a couple of years ago, and you

608
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: you have said like, hey, I'm doing this new thing,

609
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: and we ended up coming down and talking to some

610
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: of the people you're working with. But I was like,

611
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: wait a second, I thought you were working at a camp,

612
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: and so I want you to talk about like we

613
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: kind of talked about you, like why and like being

614
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: open minded, but what moved you into the space where

615
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: you're working now, and maybe talk a little bit about

616
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: like what it is that you even do, because your

617
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: job is pretty cool. It is um And So four

618
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: or four and a half years ago, as I was

619
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: looking from a transition from Awesome Camp that I was

620
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: getting an opportunity to run, I started interviewing around and

621
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: came across an organization that had just started off cal

622
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: Dream for still with dream for Now recently transitioned into

623
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: the I guess the president role whatever, the leader of

624
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: the company. Wait, when did that happen in the last

625
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: two months or so? Oh my gosh, congratulations, Thank you.

626
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: It's been awesome and terrifying and all of the things

627
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: that come along with, you know, new role in that

628
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: extra layer of responsibility. But yeah, it's been it's been

629
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: really cool. What attracted me to this when I sat

630
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: down and met with the folks that dreamed For first

631
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: was this idea that inside of corporate culture ins out

632
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: of corporate America, specifically, that there is this expectation from corporations,

633
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: from leaders inside of corporations, that we when we come

634
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: into work, we're supposed to check our personal stuff at

635
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: the door, right, that hey, leave that personal baggage outside

636
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: and come in and get in here and just do

637
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: the work. And then the reality is like, we can't

638
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: do that. It's literally impossible. We cannot be compartmentalized like that.

639
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: Right when I have a fight with my wife, like

640
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: that's going to transition to when I walk into the office,

641
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: and just the opposite, right, is that if I have

642
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: a hard day at the office, I can go home

643
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: and be a little bit shorter with my kids and

644
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: all of those things suck, but that's the nature of

645
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: being human, um, and it happens. And so dream For

646
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: kind of was founded with the idea of if we

647
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: have good things going on our personal lives, we typically

648
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: have good things going on our professional lives. So how

649
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: can we, as dreamed For, bring that into the corporate workspace?

650
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: Is giving people a space to work on their personal

651
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: well being while act work. And so what we have

652
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: transition to over the last four years as we have

653
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: built this organization is that dream For is a personal

654
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: well being and leadership development company. We want to help

655
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: companies move forward and move your organization forward? Is our

656
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: is our fun little tagline, But it's about building organizational

657
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: health um an organizational wellness. And you do that in

658
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: a couple of ways, right is that one is that

659
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: you support from the bottom up inside of organizations. Is

660
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: that you provide a space for people to think out

661
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: loud to answer the question that I that our referenced

662
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: earlier is what do you want? Because guess what, we

663
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: don't ask ourselves that a lot, because what we do

664
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: is we get up and we do the checklist thing.

665
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 1: We take care of the to do list. That's that's

666
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: on on our plate. Right, I get up, awake my

667
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: girls up, I get them ready to go to school

668
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: to daycare. My wife and I get in our cars.

669
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: We go work for you know, eight ten, twelve hours

670
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: a day. We come home, we try to be functional

671
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: humans and parents and spouses to one another. We get

672
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: the kids asleep, hopefully they're fed and not like you know,

673
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: whatever helps a mess, and then we do it again.

674
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: And so we wanted to be able to make a

675
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: space inside of workplaces for people to develop some good habits,

676
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: to develop self awareness, to develop some self accountability and responsibility.

677
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: And so part of what we do is it's helping

678
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: people just explore that mental health side of things. We're

679
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: not therapists, but we're therapeutic from that side. And then also,

680
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: you can't influence a workplace or an organization or a

681
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: company without working on the leaders right and training the

682
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: leaders how to influence their people, how to be selfless,

683
00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: to be servants, to be sacrificial, to earn stature amongst

684
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: their organization. And so really what we do is we

685
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: partner with organizations to to get better at taking care

686
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: of their people. That's a pretty cool thing, I think,

687
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: you know, I look back and there was almost this regret, Catherine,

688
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: when I left the HDC program and I started pursuing life,

689
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: is that I just spent all this money and I'm

690
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: not going to be a therapist, and like my life

691
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: and I have conversations about this. She was like, hey, dude,

692
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: like we just dropped some serious cash on this, Like

693
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: are you not going to take advantage of it? And

694
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: I looked up the other day and we were talking

695
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: about this and like, I've taken advantage of every single

696
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 1: cent and more of what that program offered because I've

697
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: gotten the opportunity to build something that is, frankly, it's

698
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: unique in today's world, and that we get the opportunity

699
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: to sit down with, you know, big organizations and to

700
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: get them to think about what it is like to

701
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: invest in their people, not just as employees, but as people.

702
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 1: I like that you took this degree and you're doing

703
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: something like this, because yeah, you're not sitting around with

704
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: people processing their trauma. I don't think you're doing that,

705
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: although you could, but that's also not all we need

706
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: to focus on. Like, I just think about the people

707
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: that I've never worked in a corporate world. I've never

708
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean I went from my job at a treatment

709
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: center and then straight into working for myself, so I've

710
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: never had to experience an abundance or longevity of poor leadership.

711
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: But I see over and over and over again these

712
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: people who are like struggling, yet they're like also like

713
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: so wonderful and get at their jobs. And a lot

714
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: of it is because the majority of their time is

715
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: spent at work and they don't feel supported at work,

716
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: but they also have to complete a task. And then

717
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: over and over I see these people leading these companies

718
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: that I'm like, oh my god, it's starting there, like

719
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: it really is starting there. And and if we could

720
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: we could improve the health and the well being in

721
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: the understanding and help leaders understand humans, then I think

722
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: we would just have it overall better, like culture of

723
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: health in the world, absolutely, because you hit on the

724
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: almost the main point of this, right is that work

725
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: is where we spend the majority of our waking embers,

726
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: and we can feel like, you know, beholden to that

727
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: or slaves to that, or whatever the right terminology may be.

728
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: But leaders don't know how to invest in their people.

729
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: They don't know how to earn stature to have influence. Right.

730
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: That's that's the difference between being a boss um and

731
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: a managernal leader, is that you can exert some sort

732
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: of influence and guess what. Influence doesn't start until you

733
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: know yourself really well, until you're authentic, until you're you're passionate,

734
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: because you know what two things people don't follow is

735
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: in authenticity or somebody that doesn't have any passion. And

736
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: so leaders are not trained, right. They are promoted because

737
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 1: they did one thing well and then they come into

738
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: that role as a leader telling everybody else do it

739
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: the way that I did it, Do it the way

740
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: that I did it. And they don't know how to

741
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: connect or invest in the people that are below them

742
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: and the corporate hierarchy really, but how they should look

743
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: at is the people that support them. And and so

744
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: what what's cool about what we do, right, is that

745
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: there's so many people that have ventured into the world

746
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: of how to train leaders, right. I mean, you've got

747
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: awesome people like Simon Sack and John Maxwell and all

748
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: of these organizations, and they do they do great things,

749
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: they do awesome brings. But is just do this and

750
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: it'll work. Right. Here's the box that you fit in

751
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: the program that you sign up for. And it's not

752
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: a one size fits all because all an organization is

753
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: is a you know, a compositive a bunch of individuals

754
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: who are different, and so what we want to do

755
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: is help people, you know, partner with them to what

756
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: fits for their specific organization, the people that are the

757
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: individuals that are inside of that. It's a really interesting

758
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: concept and it's slowly being proven to me that it works.

759
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm just like sitting here and like how cool. And

760
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: I don't know what the structure of what you're what

761
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: you guys do completely is, but like how cool. Just

762
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: like to know that the company that I'm working for

763
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: cares about me enough to bring on this team has

764
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: nothing to do with like, like I'm even I don't

765
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: know if you take well I know you do because

766
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: that one time that I came and spoke at that company,

767
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: they took working hours to come in and listen. I

768
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: think I was there for like an hour and a

769
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: half two hours to come listen and talk about like

770
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: body image and being a woman. Like my company is

771
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: letting me take working hours that could be productive hours,

772
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: but they're saying this also is productive for you. Like

773
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine that even just knowing that my

774
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: company is doing that, regardless of what actions are taken

775
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: in how would I experience the knowledge that my my

776
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: my leaders care about me, I think can make shifts

777
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: on that absolutely, but just by just by embracing that

778
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: personal well being planned that we have as a part

779
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: of dream for right when a company signs up for

780
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: that immediately, what that says is we care about our

781
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: people as people, not about our people as employees or

782
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: producers or whatever job in particular it is. And so

783
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: there's all the sudden, just in that moment, a shift, um,

784
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: they really care about me. And guess what the nine

785
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: percent of people that go into a corporate or even

786
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: just any job, but probably a corporate environment believe, I

787
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: truly believe, is that this organization doesn't care about No.

788
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: I heard that yesterday from somebody is like, nobody cares.

789
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm just a number, like just a producer on just

790
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: a number on another cog in this wheel. And you know,

791
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: like I said, our program or our company really has

792
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: has a couple of different ways of doing this, right,

793
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: it's that personal well being where I do sit down

794
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: one on one with people. Again, it's not therapy like

795
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: if they if they present with depression, anxiety, other other

796
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: things that are more significant. Is that our role was

797
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: to become a resource and connect them to the right

798
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: right people in places and things that can help them

799
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: in that journey. But I sit down with people, we

800
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: process life, and and really what we try to do

801
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: is help people get good about answering the question what

802
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: I want and setting little goals and then holding them accountable,

803
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: walking alongside them to get after that goal and just

804
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: start to develop some personal momentum. And then when they

805
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: do that right, it bleeds over into work, and it

806
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: bleeds over into their their per personal life, for their

807
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: leadership life. Man, it starts to make it different. I

808
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: like that you started with that question when I asked

809
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: you earlier, like what do I want? What forty minutes ago,

810
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: because I am thinking about the fact that, like, if

811
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: we're not asking that question, then we literally are, you

812
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: know how we were talking about like almost asleep during

813
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: that time in my life. I think that in my

814
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: early twenties into my even my mid twenties, I was

815
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: asleep to my I missed out on so much because

816
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't asking myself what do I want? I think

817
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: I was going after and doing what I think was

818
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: expected or what would make others think X y Z

819
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: about me. But I don't think I ever sat down

820
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: and said, like, what is it that is important just

821
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: to me? We usually, right at some point in our upbringing,

822
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: in our adolescents into you know, our early twenties, we're

823
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: usually chasing somebody else's goals for us, somebody else's dreams

824
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: for us. Right, is that if I can just go

825
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 1: do this, I'll impress mom and Dad. If I can

826
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: just do this, I will look good to the outside world.

827
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: And you know that it became the spad like you know,

828
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: to go find yourself or to go explore and to

829
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: take a gap your travel. You don't have to do

830
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: that to it to find out who you are, you

831
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: have to be real enough to wake up a little

832
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: bit and go, what do I really want? What is

833
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: an alignment with who I am, what my strengths are,

834
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: what I'm naturally good at? And then how the hell

835
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: do I go about pursuing it? The only way that

836
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: you pursue it is with intention. Is that you acknowledge

837
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: what you're good at, what you like, what you enjoy,

838
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: and then you set a plan and you work that

839
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: plane every single day consistently to show up and go

840
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: after it. That's hard, Oh my gosh, Like I said,

841
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: it took thirty some five years for me to find that.

842
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: And you know, if you were to, if you were

843
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: to sit down and interview Ivy, she would be like,

844
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: I can tell you when it happened, you know, some

845
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: all a difference in my husband when that that change happened.

846
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: And of anything that I have done, that's the thing

847
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: that I'm most proud of for me, right, all of

848
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: the other stuff is a byproduct of that self exploration,

849
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: asking myself the questions of what I want, what's important

850
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: to me, and then how do I pursue that. That's

851
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: an alignment with who I want to be. Um, and

852
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: it changes everybody. It changes you know, you get married,

853
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: or you change jobs, or you have kids or whatever happens,

854
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: what you want changes. So this process is iterative, right,

855
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: It goes over and over and over again. And so

856
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 1: the name dream for isn't chase your dreams. Um, It's

857
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: not as as fluffy or as cute as that like it.

858
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: It literally stands for desire. Right, what do you want? Resources?

859
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: What do you need to achieve what you want? The

860
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: ease effort? What are you gonna do to make this happen?

861
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: Where's your sweat equity? And you know what's most important

862
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 1: right is the A, the attitude, what exists in between

863
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: your ears that can either help you achieve that or

864
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: will hinder you from doing that. And when you put

865
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: all of those things together, right, we developed some some

866
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: essence of momentum in our world. And that process is iterative.

867
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,479
Speaker 1: It goes over and over and over again. I didn't

868
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: know that about what it stood for. I like that

869
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: because also as you're saying, like the attitude and the

870
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: what was the was our resources? Right? That we think

871
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: about what we want and then I think about our

872
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 1: our graduate program. That the mountain looks so high and unclimbable,

873
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: but really if you break it down into what do

874
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: I actually need to do? This simple? Yeah, And I

875
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 1: think when we look at the big mountain, if we haven't,

876
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: I haven't. I know I do have a poor attitude,

877
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: whether it's just like not like angry attitude, but just

878
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: like defeated if I don't look at the resources and

879
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 1: and sit and have the conversations. So I just think

880
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: what you do is very cool. And I feel like

881
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: I've told you that before, but I think it's very cool.

882
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: And I think you guys are what I understand expanding

883
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: or did I make that up. Yeah, we're growing, which

884
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: is which is awesome. You know, when I joined four

885
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: or four and a half years ago, I mean it

886
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 1: was very much we had grown out of a company

887
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: that was very forward thing thinking about how to invest

888
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: in new people, and so the idea of Dream four

889
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: kind of got born out of a corporate company UM,

890
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: and then about four and a half years ago was hey,

891
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: let's go see if we can make this its own thing.

892
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: And so we were very much a startup company and

893
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: we just like an individual, did a lot of self

894
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: exploration of who we are, what we do, how we're

895
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: gonna do it. And you know, this process over the

896
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: last four and a a half years is we feel pretty

897
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: solid about who we are, what we do, how we

898
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: do it, how we can market at, how people can

899
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: buy it UM And so we're growing. People listening if

900
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: they are like, oh, that sounds like something that like

901
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: I would want to tell a friend about or maybe

902
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: my company or maybe somebody's listening they're like I'm a

903
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: leader and I want this. Where can they contact or

904
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: find you to find out more information? Yeah? Absolutely, So

905
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: the website, which is about to go under what it's

906
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: currently uh going under a massive overhaul of about who

907
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: we are and what we do. But it's dream the

908
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: number four and then impact dot com. And to be honest,

909
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 1: probably the best way is, you know, we'll we'll share

910
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: my contact information to in show notes or wherever else

911
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: you do. Is to reach out to me and our

912
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: team to explore how this could fit as an individual, right,

913
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: I mean executive coaching or as you know, hey, I've

914
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: loved this for my company, or I'm a leader, or

915
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: my team could use some real leadership development work. However,

916
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: it is reach out and let's find a way to

917
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: be kind of a collaborative, customizable partner. It's it's out there.

918
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: I've meant to ask this earlier and we're kind of

919
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: at a time, But I just am curious from your perspective,

920
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: have you worked with companies that have gone to partially

921
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: or just like all work from home. How have you

922
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: seen that impact just humans in general? And I'm just

923
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: curious your perspective because a lot of companies aren't going

924
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: back and a lot of people I know are never

925
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 1: going back to the office, and that's definitely impacted their

926
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: emotional and mental health percent And you know, so of

927
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: all the partners that we serve and that we're with

928
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: I mean all of them, as all of all of

929
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 1: us have, right is the last two to and app years,

930
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: it's just been crazy, crazy time, and so a lot

931
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: of the companies that we have have adopted, you know,

932
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: a hybrid two days in the office, a couple of

933
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: days out, but so much one just what's happening in

934
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: the world right now. There is a whole lot more mental,

935
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 1: uh and emotional stress. Whether we know that we're carrying,

936
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: we are, but it has affected how organizations work, and

937
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: not just from the logistics standpoints of how many people

938
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: are in the office, but what does that do to

939
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: an organization's health their culture? Yeah? How do you have

940
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: culture when you're all work right? And it's it's hard

941
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: and I don't think people know how to approach that.

942
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: And so that's a lot of what we've developed. Right.

943
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: We actually even have a have a workshop that we

944
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: do that's it's called remote worker Wellness. And how do

945
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: you connect your people that aren't physically in your space?

946
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: How do you check in on people? How do you

947
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: love people that aren't there? How do you make them

948
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: feel a part of something bigger? Right? How do you

949
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: make them feel a part of the organization, and so

950
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: it's it's absolutely impacted the well being of individuals um

951
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: and it's absolutely impacted the well being of organizations. Uh.

952
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: So many people talk about the idea of culture, right,

953
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: and I think at least inside of inside of workplaces,

954
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: and people look at it to dichotomous. Right. It's it's

955
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: either you've got a toxic culture, you've got a great culture.

956
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: There's so much more to that, right, And that's why

957
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: we use the term organizational health, is that there are

958
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: some places, just like in air individual lives, that we

959
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: can be really really healthy, right, and there's some places that, man,

960
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 1: we may be needing some work on. And so that's

961
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: where I think dream kind of partners with the organizations

962
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: to say where do we need to work? Where do

963
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: you work in a lot of that in the last

964
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: two years has been exploring how do you take care

965
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: of your people when we're scattered, How do they feel

966
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: like they matter, that they're bound, that they're important as

967
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: people when they're at home that their kids, you know,

968
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: can't go to daycare because somebody they have an exposure

969
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: to COVID and they're at home trying to work and

970
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: take care of their kids listen firsthand experience here. It's

971
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: really hard. But how do you do that? And how

972
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: do you how do you love on your people that way?

973
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: And so it's been a huge thing. And one of

974
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: the ways that we we connect with people is so

975
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: much of what I do is is virtual now, you know,

976
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: quick conversations, whether it's it's through the app that we

977
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 1: use UM, whether it's through just FaceTime, text message, whatever is.

978
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: We're getting used to connecting remotely with people. I don't

979
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: know that leaders are embracing that the same way UM

980
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: inside of organizations, and so they need training on it,

981
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: they need help with it. So with anything, that's something

982
00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: that most organizations do need help with because that is

983
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: a new thing. So that is something that you guys

984
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: can offer outside of all of the other stuff. Is like, hey,

985
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: this is weird and this is a new and nobody

986
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: knows how to do it, and it's important to pay

987
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: attention to it. Yeah, I think you know, one of

988
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: the questions that you talked about is how the companies

989
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: and leaders work towards kind of a more supportive, healthy

990
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: environment when it comes to emotional mental health. The first

991
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: thing is is awareness. Just know that it's real and

992
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: that people are walking through their stuff just because you

993
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: you're aware of it, and that you're leaning into it

994
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: as a leader or as a as a CEO or

995
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: as a boss. When you lean into that, it doesn't

996
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: take away the responsibility of that person has to do

997
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: their job, but you can lean in to be empathetic

998
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: and compassionate that we're all carrying a whole lot right

999
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: now and that, like just in general life, it's hard,

1000
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 1: and so being aware that are the world human beings

1001
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: are dealing with a lot right now is is step on. Yeah,

1002
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: which is kind of full circle with what we started with.

1003
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: Is like going back to school and learning that like

1004
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: this just helps us be aware of what's going on

1005
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: in the world. So it helps us understand people and

1006
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: be more caring and forgiving and loving, which in turn

1007
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 1: just makes a better world in general. So of course

1008
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: it's going to make a better work environment. So I

1009
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: of course think what you do is so important. So

1010
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: if you guys are listening, look at the show notes.

1011
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: I'll have the link to the website and then if

1012
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: you don't mind, I'll put your contact into in there, yeah,

1013
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: and they can talk to you and see if it's

1014
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: something that they might benefit from which you probably would

1015
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: and could well. Thank you for doing this, and uh

1016
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 1: I will continue to ignore your phone calls and answer

1017
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: your texts. It's three dastes like you know under the

1018
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 1: value of a relationship. We both just become self aware

1019
00:54:52,040 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: of where we could alright, alright, bye six THO.