1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: If Shaq were to come to China Steph and just 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: kind of walk around, what do you what kind of 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: reception do you think he'd be getting? 4 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 2: Come on, now, you know what I like when the 5 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: ship lad. 6 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 3: I thought I was a man. I had a little statue. 7 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 3: But my statues and one another part of time, I'm ry. 8 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 3: One day I'm like, you know, I know I how 9 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 3: to statue in it. Like now that's step on my 10 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 3: birdy statue. This man got a hundred foot statue there. 11 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: Hundred foot. I know he's got two. One of them's 12 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: one hundred foot. 13 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: Shack, what year was it when you guys were first statue? 14 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: I'm not even sure. Crazy thing is I didn't even 15 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 3: ask for that. Like I'm over there just you know, 16 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 3: doing my humanitarian thing that we have a surprise for you. 17 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 3: And then I you know, I went, oh, sorry about 18 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 3: the accident. I thought, yeah, I'm sorry. 19 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. I do a big, big big con tell me 20 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 4: to win. I did him big big big singing a kid. 21 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 4: I do a big big big pull me to win. 22 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 4: I do him big big big singing a cat. 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Sponsored by 69 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: our good friends at DraftKings where we do some of 70 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: the odds and we teach you the odds and all that. 71 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: And so our question today from DraftKings is which conference 72 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: is the favorite to win the NBA title next year? 73 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: So you get all the teams from the East or 74 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: all the teams from the West, which conference do you 75 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: believe is the favorite to win it all next year? 76 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 3: And what's the odds on that? 77 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: Well, now you have to guess what the odds are 78 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: gonna be. So you guess, and then I'll tell you 79 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: the odds. 80 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: I we'll go Western. 81 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: The West is plus one hundred, bet one hundred, you win. 82 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: Oh sorry, go well, I know what it means now, okay, 83 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 3: plus one hundred with me and I bet one hundred, 84 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 3: win one hundred. 85 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: Okay, So this one's tough. 86 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 3: Bon on could it be minus one hundred? 87 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: So the East is minus one twenty. 88 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: So that means if I explain. 89 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: That one minus one twenty means you have to bet 90 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: one twenty to win one hundred. 91 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 3: Adam, I'm glad I got I'm gonna be a DraftKings 92 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: expert because of you. I never knew what all that 93 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 3: stuff meant. 94 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: And that means that the Eastern Conference is actually the 95 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: favorite because you have to bet more money. Now if 96 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: you bet one hundred, I think it'll be something like. 97 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 3: You win eighty. Okay, but the. 98 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: Eastern Conference because because Boston is the favorite, they're the 99 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: favorites to win it all. Do you agree with that? 100 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 3: I actually do. I never understood it, but I do 101 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 3: agree with I know people like Boston in the East, 102 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: but I'm thinking Denver is gonna make some noise. 103 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: So you would actually bet on the West. 104 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm a bet on the West because Denver Phoenix 105 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: a lot of teams, and then you got the and 106 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 3: then you got the all hype teams. Yep, Minnesota. 107 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: As that has repeated and three repeated. When you look 108 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: at this Boston team, do you see a team that 109 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 1: might be poised to repeat? 110 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 3: No, because even though they have the championship, see I 111 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 3: would like to see And the reason why I said 112 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 3: the other day was a boring finals, and it really 113 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 3: was because when you When Boston won, they had to 114 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 3: go through all the tough teams. Okay, you don't beat 115 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 3: all the teams in your conference, but now you face 116 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 3: the mightiest of the other conference. Boston had it easy. 117 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 3: It's not their fault, not their fault. I don't care 118 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 3: they won. However, I would have liked to see them. 119 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: New York was banged up. 120 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, new York had banged so but they they want it, 121 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 3: they want a square. But there's still a lot of 122 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 3: dollars sow. 123 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: Your reasoning is Boston still very talented, but their road 124 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: will likely not be as easy next year. 125 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 3: Their road was too easy. So when their road stiffens 126 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 3: up and they don't win, then we could really then 127 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 3: that statement will be verified. Now if they win next 128 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 3: year with all these with all these teams, healthy got 129 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 3: to give them their respect. But you know how us 130 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 3: haters and as commentators do. Okay, you got one win, 131 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 3: two win two, So if so, if you want to 132 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 3: impress me, I'm impressed by this year, but this year 133 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 3: is alreadys over. So if you want to impress me, so, 134 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 3: if you want to separate yourself as the best successful franchise, 135 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 3: beat those teams when not. 136 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 5: Healthy gambling problem called one eight hundred gambler, or in 137 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 5: West Virginia, visit one eight hundred gambler dot net. 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And so, with the guest permission, 155 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to give it the movie theater voice is 156 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: that okay, guest? 157 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: Oh there, baby, okay. 158 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: This man was the King of New York, the President 159 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: of Lincoln. Any guard that stepped in his path faced 160 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: quick and utter extinction. The middle part the spinning dimes, 161 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: the definition of next. This man went to China and 162 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: left the earthlings perplexed. Few years later, three titles, two statues, 163 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: and suddenly the haters don't know where their doubts are buried. 164 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: Let's get our hands fucking together on the big pod 165 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: for Stefan mar Buried. 166 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 2: Let's go. 167 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neill is ripping down the Atlanta Highway right now 168 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: at about one hundred and twenty miles an hour in 169 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: a hellcat. 170 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: Jack. 171 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 6: Can you get a bigger car? 172 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: No way, that's your car? 173 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 3: No, you're no way. 174 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: That's insane. 175 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 6: I can't get it now quick? 176 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 3: Wait car, how do you drive? 177 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 6: Look at that? 178 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 3: I gotta go, man, Man, I'll talk you about it. 179 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: This is the kind of car you're driving? Your again, Look, 180 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: that's insane. 181 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: Wow, he is going to be joining this conversation in it. 182 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: But you, mister Stefan Marbury, are joining us from China 183 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: at two thirty in the morning, And I just want 184 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: to say a very heartfelt thank you, and also what 185 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: is life in China like right now? Because everyone over 186 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: here is fascinated at this second life that you've begun living, 187 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: and it's beautiful. 188 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 2: China's been amazing, man, It's been a great experience having 189 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 2: an opportunity to go abroad to do something completely different 190 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: from what we're normally used to seeing professional athletes do. 191 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 2: Having that opportunity to be able to do that has 192 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: been It's been super rewarding, and I'm deeply humble that 193 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: gave me the opportunity to be able to live in dislight, 194 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 2: to be able to experience all of what I've been 195 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: able to experience, to be able to share, to be 196 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: able to have this conversation to talk with you guys 197 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: about China. You know what I'm saying. Who would have 198 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: thought that these type of conversations will be taking place 199 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: in the now? 200 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: All right, Stefan, we have a big break question from 201 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: the general, because of course, where there's Shack, there's the general. 202 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: What was the breakout moment in China when you realize 203 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: you were the man there who What was the moment 204 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: where you went, damn, I am him in this country? 205 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 3: You know what? 206 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 2: I never felt like I was him. I always felt 207 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: like there's more. And I think after we won the 208 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 2: after we wont my third championship, when he built the 209 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 2: museum on the main road of Beijing, which is the 210 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: most expensive road on the earth, five kilometers away from 211 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 2: Tenement Square. When he did that at the Beijing Post Office, 212 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: and when he made that, that's when I was like, 213 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: this is a little different. They literally start sending people 214 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: from America to film film what was going on. They 215 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: were like, Yo, this is like your building a shrine. 216 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 2: And I'm like, what are you talking about. It's like 217 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: you got a cold following going on right now. I'm like, nah, 218 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 2: this is all love right here. So you know when 219 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: that happened, that's when I was like, this is this 220 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 2: is a little. 221 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: When when he came into the league and he got 222 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: paired out with KG, because I know that you're someone 223 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: that loves that perfect combination of big and guard you 224 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: and Penny, You and Kobe. What did you think of 225 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: their connection? 226 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 3: It was scary, very scary. The only time you don't 227 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 3: get really scared is because the supporting casts wasn't there yet. 228 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 3: I want to disrespect them. They are really good players. 229 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 3: But they they could always make the playoffs, but they 230 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 3: they weren't there yet and mine wasn't there yet either. 231 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 3: So but a guy like him and they can get 232 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 3: open anytime and get his shot, and he got the 233 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 3: New York Flare definitely got to worry about a mean, 234 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 3: little skinny dude like KG that want to fight everybody 235 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: and talk and could step out and played the new wavement. 236 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 3: So they were done every time we played. It was 237 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 3: a tough matchup, let me say that. But you know 238 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 3: we got them because they had Rashad McCants and all 239 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 3: those guys sticking me in, you know, but they if 240 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 3: I think, I think, if you you put them to 241 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 3: with three or four veterans that have been there before, 242 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 3: and you know, they definitely win a championship. 243 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: What did you think of their swag as someone that was. 244 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 3: Crazy and then because you know it was it was 245 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 3: different swags sort of like sort of like me and 246 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 3: Penny Marlburry New York and to be to be to 247 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 3: be a guard in New York is tough. You're gonna 248 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 3: get Felipe Lopez and all it, but so to make 249 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 3: a name in New York is touched up. We got 250 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 3: a name coming out of New York. 251 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: You can play. 252 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 3: And KG was just different because big man. But he 253 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 3: started doing stuff that a big guy like me wasn't 254 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 3: used to. He used to going out guarding the guy 255 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 3: every possessions. And then and then he was mean and 256 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 3: he was from the hood and he had that dog 257 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 3: in him. Very very difficulty to play. 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Then you go to Minnesota, where 302 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: it's like all white people, and then you're in China, 303 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: where you're like the fewest of the few. And as 304 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: I thought about that, I feel like you have a 305 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: really unique perspective on interacting with human beings. I feel 306 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: like you've seen everything. You've seen adoration, You've seen people 307 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: cast aspersions on your name. You've been a majority, you've 308 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: been a minority. What do you think you've learned just 309 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: about humans over this journey? 310 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: Growth People are still unpredictable from the good and the bad. Instinctively, 311 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: people tend to grasp towards what's actually been told as 312 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 2: a whole, opposed of thinking for themselves and I think 313 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: for me my journey, you know, I went, as you said, 314 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 2: I went from New York, where it's basically a Meltain 315 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 2: pie culchurally. You know, you got Black, White, Chinese, Puerto Rican, 316 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: you got all different races that come from out of 317 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 2: New York. And then to go to Atlanta where it's 318 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: predominantly black, but still white people there as well, was 319 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 2: you know normal because I was I was used to 320 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 2: that vibe. I was used to being, you know, interacting 321 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: with a bunch of black people at once, but not 322 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 2: as many, you know, going into Atlanta where it's like yo, 323 00:17:55,280 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 2: it's really down south, and then go to Minnesota where 324 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 2: it's predominantly white, six percent white people. You know, that 325 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 2: was a big culture shock moment for me because all 326 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 2: of those different things happened in a short period of time, 327 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 2: and me leaving New York, going to Atlanta and then 328 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: staying in school for only like four or five months, 329 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 2: and then going into the NBA, going into Minnesota. So 330 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 2: you know, that was that was a big challenge, was 331 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: a super big thing for me because I wasn't used 332 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: to it. It was something that was completely different from 333 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 2: the norm of how I lived my life. So yes, 334 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: It was definitely a culture shock moment. Not saying the 335 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 2: people were great, people were amazed and the fans were great, 336 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 2: but just going from one environment to another environment within 337 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 2: a four month frame, four to five month frame, it was. 338 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 2: It was. It was a big challenge. 339 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: I it's crazy to me that you and KG were 340 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: the same class of high school and then during the 341 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: draft you get traded for Ray Allen, you go to 342 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: Minnesota and then you team up with him. KG is 343 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: somebody that you really need to prove to him went 344 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: just on a human level that he should respect you 345 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: for that equal respect. And I was curious, was it 346 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: like that between you two from the jump? Were you 347 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: guys always in sync? Because I feel like if you 348 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: are not in line with KG, he will he will 349 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: motherfuck you to the end of your time. When you 350 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: look back at that dynamic, it seems like this awesome 351 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: buddy cop duo. But what do you look back and 352 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: remember the most about it? 353 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: We just I would just go with what my mom says. 354 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: She said, Stephan, ain't nobody you and Kevin y I 355 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 2: had the best chemistry. Nobody you know had better chemistry 356 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 2: than you guys on a basketball court, and you know, 357 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 2: playing with keV, it was like, you know, playing with 358 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 2: my mind on a court, Like he knew what I 359 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 2: wanted to do, and I knew what he wanted to do. 360 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 2: He knew when to throw me to basketball. I knew 361 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: when to throw him to basketball. I knew when he 362 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 2: wanted to go. He knew when I was going. You know, 363 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,719 Speaker 2: it was just we just knew. We just we just 364 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 2: had that vibe. We had that that chemistry on a 365 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: court where you know when you when you when you're playing, 366 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 2: you don't have to think, you know what I'm saying, 367 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 2: You could just throw the basketball and it's like you know, 368 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 2: when you throw the basketball to a WI receiver, you 369 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: know he's going to be there because that's the route, 370 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying on the court. We just 371 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 2: we just knew what to do on the court. If 372 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 2: it didn't and it was right away, it clicked right away. 373 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: It wasn't like it took time. It was already automatic. 374 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: One of my favorite advertisers that you work with is 375 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 1: Carnival Cruise Lines, and I have a perfect itinerary that 376 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: I've planned and I want to write it by you, 377 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: But first I'm curious what was your most memorable Caribbean vacation. 378 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: I know you're a man that loves the Caribbean. Was 379 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: there one that stands out the most? 380 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 2: You know? 381 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 3: It's crazy about the carnival cruise lines. I'm on it 382 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: all the time and people don't even see me. 383 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: What do you hide in the smoke stack? 384 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 3: No? You know, first of all, I can't hide. Okay, 385 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 3: so you know, I uh, I'm the I'm the master 386 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 3: of being invisible. For example, if you live in a 387 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 3: town that's busy, you don't go outside when it's not busy. No, 388 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 3: if you live in the town that's super busy, don't 389 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 3: go outside. 390 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: When it's no busy. Crazy Okay Yah. 391 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 3: My point is I always I don't sneak on because 392 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 3: I can. I walk on and I stay in my room. 393 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 3: I watch movies, and then around eleven or twelve, everybody's sleep. 394 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 3: I'll walk around, go eat, I go play some ball. 395 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: I'll stay out a couple hours, go to my room 396 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 3: at two, wake up at six. I'm I'm at my 397 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 3: destination in Miami and I live in the Bahama, so 398 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 3: people don't I probably only got caught twice being on 399 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 3: the ship, but I'm owner ship all the time. 400 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: So everyone out there, if you take carnival cruise lines, 401 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: there's there is a bamas. 402 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 3: There is a. 403 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: Chance will be walking around at weird times. I like that, okay, so. 404 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 3: And I always got one of these in my hand too. 405 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: Baby that a little carnival yetti my cool refreshing drinks. 406 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: So if I planned out the perfect carnival cruise vacation, 407 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: itinerary first from what I saw, I want to start 408 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: my fun on bolt the words, the world's first roller 409 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: coaster at sea. Have you been on this roller coaster? 410 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,479 Speaker 3: I cannot fit on the roller coaster, but I've seen it. 411 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 3: I've seen it at the beginning. I've seen people ride it. 412 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 3: It's very enjoyable. I wish I could ride on a 413 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 3: roller coature, but wait, gravity wouldn't want to do it. 414 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: You ever been on one in your whole life? 415 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,479 Speaker 3: No, of course I've been on it. Like I'm saying, like, 416 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 3: once I hit that three hundred pound mark, which was 417 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 3: like third or fourth of year, I had to stop riding. 418 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: So after that I would go paddle boarding through the 419 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: crystal clear waters of Half Moon Key, get a little 420 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: bit of armwork out him. Then I jump off of 421 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: a catamaran and I'm gonna snorkel through the clear waters 422 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: and turks and CaCO shack. That sounds pretty good. Ooh, 423 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: he's got the glasses so you can see through the water. 424 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 1: After all that shack you're gonna need, I'm gonna get 425 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: my sandwich fixed at the Big Chicken restaurant on board. 426 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: You have Big Chicken on the Carnival cruise line. 427 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 3: I will have Big Chicken, but I'm not gonna be 428 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 3: selfish the there's a lot of great restaurants on there. 429 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 3: Choose anyone, choose fun. Make sure you choose Carnival, baby. 430 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: And then afterwards, I'm gonna go get some laughs at 431 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: punchline or comedy club. 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Visit 452 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 3: carnival dot com Impact for your next cruise ships Registry 453 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 3: the Bahamas, Panama. 454 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 2: You know, after spending you know, thirteen years in the NBA, 455 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: learning about earthlings, as you said, learning about different people, 456 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 2: learning about how people operating, how they think, how they feel, 457 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 2: how they move, the intellect withinside of humans, learning about 458 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 2: how people formulate their thoughts about their opinions that they 459 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 2: have from what they saw, like learning about how people, 460 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 2: you know, made these evaluations and calculated so calculated. And 461 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: then going to China, big whirlwind, big whirldwind, because now 462 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, you went from you went from New 463 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: York to Atlanta, Atlanta and Minnesota. Now you going someplace 464 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 2: where they don't speak the same language as you. So 465 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: how about that, buddy, Let's see you figure that one out, 466 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 2: you know. And I think for me coming to China, 467 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 2: it was more of like at that time, me having 468 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 2: an opportunity to be able to find myself, learn about myself, 469 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 2: grow within myself, and in that process, you know, when 470 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 2: I came to China, I literally was like I just 471 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 2: want to play basketball because I was at that point 472 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 2: because I was in such a disarray of so many 473 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 2: different moving pieces with the next and going to Boston, 474 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 2: you know, not being able to perform doing how I 475 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 2: wanted to perform, and then not playing for a while, 476 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: and now I'm getting an opportunity to play. So when 477 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 2: I got here, I was super depressed. I was basically, 478 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 2: you know, in a space where I didn't want to 479 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: play basketball. You know, a lot of things weren't going 480 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: in the way how I had won it. So I 481 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 2: was like, man, you know, I'm getting this opportunity to 482 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 2: go play basketball in China, and here I am, you know, 483 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 2: amongst people who I can't communicate with, but they showing 484 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,719 Speaker 2: me mad love. You know what I'm saying. From the 485 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 2: moment that I landed, the moment that I got to China, 486 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 2: it was nothing but love. And it's been that way 487 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 2: ever since. 488 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: It's I remember, I remember that entire movement. I remember 489 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: everything on U stream. I read an article on like 490 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: the New York Times from those years ago when you 491 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: went on u stream and they literally documented everything you 492 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: said that It was like he said he liked bugs 493 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: Bunny more than whatever. And now everybody is going live 494 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: all the time, but we had never seen an athlete 495 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: going live, and it I remember it was it like 496 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: you stream dot TV and I just. 497 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 2: Felt like you did justin TV first, which is twitch 498 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 2: on Gosh, and then then then I went to I 499 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 2: went to U stream, and I went to u stream 500 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 2: because the dude justin he didn't want to play ball 501 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 2: with me, and I was like, all right, well I'll 502 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 2: go on another platform. That's funny, unbelievable. 503 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you were figuring out platforms before people 504 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: even knew they existed, and now it's a billion dollar industry. 505 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 2: Trill, I got. 506 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 6: A right. So my man, my little brother hot Son, 507 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 6: he told me that his grandmother, who's almost one hundred 508 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 6: years old, show him. When you can't get your voice back, 509 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 6: take some and swallow it and it'll help you. 510 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 2: During that time when it when they first started popping, 511 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 2: I was like, yo, it's like three million people watch 512 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: me sleep at one time. This is really gonna evolve. 513 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: And it's people were People were like Stefan Marbury is 514 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: losing his mind. He's letting people watch him sleep. And 515 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: now it's like come and watch Kay sinnat and and 516 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: Kevin Hart sleep with ten billion. 517 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 2: You know. But you know at that time, you know, 518 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 2: I was talking to my friends and I was like, 519 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 2: I'm not doing anything that other people won't do. This 520 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: will be part of everyone's lives eventually, and as we 521 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 2: see it now, but you know, not everyone was clairvoyant 522 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 2: enough to actually go into that space to actually feel 523 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 2: or think that way. Doing that time frame of when 524 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 2: all of what was going on, but the people who 525 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 2: were creating the platforms like, it's one guy that really 526 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 2: is doing this stuff, and nobody could actually tell me 527 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 2: what to do because it wasn't like I was trying 528 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 2: to utilize it in a way to basically monetize and 529 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: you know the old stud I was just doing it 530 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 2: because it was a platform where I can control my 531 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 2: own narrative and I could speak my own truth about 532 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 2: what was actually going on. So that's why I was crazy. 533 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 2: I was crazy because I was eating vasoline. I said, dude, 534 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 2: your mom smoke cracked and your popstick heroin in his arm. 535 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 2: You're talking about me eating vasoline. I was like, nah, 536 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 2: so you know doing it. So I was like, yeah, 537 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 2: if you think that I'm crazy because I'm crying because 538 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 2: I'm listening to a gospel song and my dad just 539 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: passed away, I was like, okay, so I'm crazy for that. 540 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 2: I was like, you got guys crying because they lost 541 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 2: the championship in the game, in the basketball game, But 542 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 2: you say that I'm crazy, I'm like, okay, So you know, 543 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 2: I think during that time, I felt like during that time, 544 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 2: people didn't know when I actually was going crazy. When 545 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 2: I was going crazy when I was laying in my 546 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 2: bed and I couldn't get out of my bed, and 547 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 2: you know, depressed and stuck because I had just lost, 548 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 2: you know, my coach one week, my aunt the second week, 549 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: and then my Pops the third week. So I lost 550 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 2: the person that taught all my brothers how to play 551 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 2: basketball and myself, my aunt, then my pops. So at 552 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 2: that time, you know, basketball wasn't It had no relevance 553 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 2: in my life as far as how I wanted to 554 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 2: live or how I was thinking or anything. I was 555 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 2: just like a mute. My kids was like, Dad, you 556 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 2: gotta you gotta get in it. You gotta take a 557 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 2: shower at least that come on. And I was just like, 558 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good. I'm not going over. So it 559 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 2: was the point, you know, but you know, when you're depressed, 560 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 2: and during that time, I didn't, I didn't feel or 561 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 2: think that way, but I just was sad and I 562 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 2: was hurt, and I was all of these different things 563 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 2: that come with the emotions of losing people that you love. 564 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 2: So you know, when I had the opportunity to actually 565 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 2: release from all of that, that's when I was like 566 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 2: moving through my depression, through all of what I was 567 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 2: feeling through, through not being in a position to play basketball, 568 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 2: not being able to sign another you know, I was 569 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 2: used to sign the max contracts. I couldn't even get 570 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 2: a contract at this time. So that is, you know, 571 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 2: my brands, My brand is failing. Like literally, I'm watching 572 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 2: it because all of what's going on. So that was 573 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,239 Speaker 2: the time when I was silent. But when I was 574 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 2: on Live, I was like, Oh, you think I'm crazy 575 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 2: right now, I'm like, Oh, you don't know what crazy is, 576 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I was like in 577 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 2: a whole different mind frame in mind space as far 578 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 2: as moving forward in my life. And then this came out, 579 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 2: and that's what I really. 580 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: I never realized because everything from that Live was put 581 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: out like clips and there's no backstory, and so I 582 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: honestly didn't know until right now that the reason you 583 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: were crying. 584 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 2: Is because you lost somebody. 585 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: And I think it's very interesting that the story behind 586 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: Alan Iverson's practice rant is he lost his best friend 587 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: that day, but we didn't find that out till years 588 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: later with the documentary. So all we're seeing is two athletes, 589 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: same draft nineteen ninety six you guys played each other 590 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: at MSG like the storyline through line is crazy and 591 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: all we do is take these moments, but we don't 592 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: look at the backstory of the human behind it. And 593 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: now because the conversation has changed so much and we 594 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: actually look at the humans and not just the statistics, 595 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: now we can sit back and go, man, we misread 596 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: that completely. But you and iversire it. It was so 597 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: similar around the same time too. 598 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting because you know when people formulate 599 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 2: their opinion about how they feel and what they think 600 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 2: based upon what they were told, there's literally no stopping 601 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 2: it until something like this happens. But me, I was 602 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 2: the type. I didn't feel like. I didn't feel like 603 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 2: I didn't care enough for everybody to know that I 604 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 2: was listening to a gospel song and my dad passed 605 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 2: away and I was thinking about that. I didn't really 606 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 2: it didn't really matter to me how other people thought 607 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 2: or felt about me feeling the way how I felt, 608 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 2: because that's my feeling. That was my moment, and it 609 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 2: wasn't where it destruct me to where I collapsed, and 610 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 2: I was no about the you know, I said I 611 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 2: wanted to kill myself, but I was like I'm still here. 612 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 2: I didn't do it. I said, me feeling like I 613 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 2: want to kill myself and me going to kill myself 614 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 2: is completely different. So you misread me saying, yeah, I 615 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 2: feel like I want to kill myself because that's how 616 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 2: I feel because I didn't want to deal with what 617 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 2: it was that I was dealing with. Mental illness is 618 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 2: a real thing, and my mental at the time when 619 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 2: I lost the people who I love, that was my 620 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 2: feeling with my dad, and then and then when we 621 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 2: buried my dad. After we buried my dad, my mom 622 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 2: checked into the hospital and she was on her deathbed 623 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 2: and I was just looking at her like come on, laughing, 624 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 2: like come on, mine, there's no way you're about to 625 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 2: do this. 626 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:58,959 Speaker 3: It's like it's no way. 627 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,439 Speaker 2: And the doctor was like, it's not really looking good. 628 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 2: And I was like what, And it was like, this 629 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 2: is normal when a spouse loses, when they lose a 630 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 2: spouse at this age, this is this is a normal 631 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 2: thing that happens. And my dad and my mom they 632 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 2: were married for over fifty years, so you know, the 633 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 2: ideology and what I grew up, you know, thinking and 634 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 2: learning from being in a household where I had my 635 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 2: brothers and sisters. I had my mother and father. Even 636 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 2: though we were in the projects, my mom and my 637 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 2: dad never made it feel like that. So we were 638 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 2: a really close net family. And then when the leader 639 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 2: went down, it was like you can feel the collapse, you. 640 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 6: Know what I'm saying. 641 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 2: And that's when, you know, I started to basically parallel 642 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 2: with parallel myself with you know, my family members, and 643 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,439 Speaker 2: we pushed each other to get through what we were 644 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 2: going through because it was a brand new experience. 645 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: And now two decades later, your son is a preferred 646 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: walk on at cal Berkeley, one of the highest institutions 647 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: in the world. Across the country, from Coney Island, from 648 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: coast to coast. Your son is now going to be 649 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 1: trying to play basketball with the cow Golden Theirs. 650 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 2: That's insane, it is. It's great, you know, and we 651 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,879 Speaker 2: talk about it. He just my son was just here. 652 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 2: We were shooting a commercial for one of the milk 653 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,280 Speaker 2: companies here and he flew here and we were talking 654 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 2: about his transition into going to school, and you know, 655 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 2: he fell into a very peculiar situation with him going 656 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 2: through you know, going through COVID and then he had 657 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 2: served you on his hip. So he literally missed like 658 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 2: two or three years, like about two and a half years, 659 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,399 Speaker 2: three years where he wasn't even able to play high 660 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 2: school basketball. So I was telling him, I'm like, dude, 661 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 2: for you to get this opportunity, one to be able 662 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 2: to go to CAL, one of the most prestigious schools 663 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 2: that you could possibly go to as far as academics, 664 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 2: for you to get accepted into the school one right, 665 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 2: for you to get accepted, and then for you to 666 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 2: have the opportunity to be able to go play after 667 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 2: you not having the time that every other kid had 668 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 2: playing high school basketball getting ready to go to college. 669 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, I couldn't even imagine 670 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 2: only playing three years of high school basketball. I was like, man, 671 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 2: just basically my freshman year, I missed my southomund you know. 672 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 2: So it's like, for you to get this opportunity, it 673 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 2: shows your work ethic, It shows you know that you are, 674 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 2: that you've been positioned, you know, as far as your 675 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 2: academics to be able to be placed in a situation 676 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 2: where you have the opportunity to go to a school 677 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 2: such as CAL. So it's like it's a blessing, you know. 678 00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 2: It's a blessing and you have the opportunity. You don't 679 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 2: have any pressure. It's not like you're a kid who 680 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 2: got a Magian scholarship and you're top top recruiting and 681 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,240 Speaker 2: you know what projections is for you to go top whatever. 682 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 2: I'm like, you're not in that situation. I was like, so, 683 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 2: you know, I told him when he was having it, 684 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 2: when he had his surgery. I was like, dude, you're 685 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,879 Speaker 2: a late bloomer and I have to tell your son 686 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 2: that it's hard. But the reality is, if I don't 687 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 2: tell you, you won't know because you will think and 688 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 2: believe something else. So for him to be able to 689 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 2: have this opportunity to go to cal which just we're 690 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 2: super thankful, and to be able to witness it and 691 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 2: see it and to have played against these guys. 692 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: Dude now standing at seven foot one from Newark, New Jersey. 693 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: He has a doctorate from eighteen different universe. 694 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 6: Oh you hit. 695 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 2: Him, big fellow. What's good? 696 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 3: So I apologize. I was doing the camp for kids. 697 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 3: I started taking pictures with the kids and I didn't 698 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 3: want to leave no kids out. So I was like, 699 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 3: you know, Kenny called me Curtsey. You know you got 700 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,240 Speaker 3: step on on the thing, so thanks, thanks for waiting 701 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 3: for me. Question. We both had the affordable shoe line. 702 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 3: I said, you're doing the glasses. Now, where'd you get 703 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 3: your business acumen from? Like, you know, it's crazy before 704 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 3: you answer that. Somebody asked me the other day if 705 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 3: I met Q Tip, and I'm I'm and I was 706 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 3: thinking about the superstars that I know haven't met Stefan. 707 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 3: I've been knowing you for twenty years. I think I 708 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 3: only seeing you about eight times. My brother no, which 709 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 3: is weird because you know, somebody asked me all to 710 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 3: day because you know Trump Coal question about to get 711 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 3: in on the thing. He's like, do you know Q Tip? 712 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 3: And I started thinking, I'm like, damn, I only hung 713 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 3: out with fight twice. It's two times studio and only 714 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 3: make youtub twice. So now that I'm thinking, Stephan, I've 715 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 3: always seen you eight times. That's that's that game. 716 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 2: But we kicked it. We kicked it one time with 717 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 2: your man stutter and l A. We ate that mister 718 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,319 Speaker 2: child one night and you had you had you had 719 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 2: to you the first one I seen with a sprinter 720 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 2: decked out. Actually, but now we didn't. We never really 721 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 2: kicked it other than that one time, but I always 722 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,320 Speaker 2: paid it close attention to everything that you you've done. 723 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 2: Obviously the whole planet sees that it's not it's very 724 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 2: hard not to see that. But my business actor, like 725 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 2: you know, for me, I just I always had to 726 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 2: do it from the mud. So when I did all 727 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 2: of the things that I've done, I'm trying to to scale, 728 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 2: you know, like what you did with Walmart with your shoes, 729 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 2: I tried to do the same thing. Obviously mine's then 730 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,399 Speaker 2: do as well. You know, after playing and then not 731 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 2: playing and then coming back here, coming to China was 732 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 2: part of the next wave, the next part of me 733 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 2: bringing my brand back to America. Basically learning everything that 734 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 2: I needed to learn here in China, from sourcing, from production, 735 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,279 Speaker 2: all of the different things I learned. It didn't know 736 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 2: none of that before when I first started my brand, 737 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 2: but now fully equipped to be a vertical platform, you know, 738 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 2: trying my heart is to be like you. 739 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate that, you know. I always somebody told 740 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 3: me something very important. One day. Everybody eats, and I 741 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 3: know they were trying to make it a competition thing, 742 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 3: but it's not a competition. There's enough like you from 743 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 3: the hood. I'm from the hood. You got a building 744 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 3: and I got a building, and we both doing the 745 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 3: same thing. That's all that mattered. So I was proud 746 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,319 Speaker 3: of you, and I kind of almost went through what 747 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 3: you went through. Like once I stopped playing, you know, 748 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 3: they kind of you don't think they, you know, forget 749 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 3: about yourself. I had to, you know, switch some things up, 750 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 3: allow myself with the bigger company, and I'm still going off. 751 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,839 Speaker 3: But I need your permission. I would like to help 752 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 3: you promote these glasses with the hashtag t m f h. 753 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 2: H. Hit me ready. 754 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 3: I'll tell you. I tell you these motherfuckers. 755 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 2: Hard hard music on there. You can talk. 756 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 7: I'm talking to you on the glasses right now. 757 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,879 Speaker 2: You can you can bluetooth it. Then you can play 758 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,800 Speaker 2: your music and you can talk on your phone on it. 759 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 2: I'm talking to you on my phone right now. I'm 760 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 2: talking to you on the glasses right now. 761 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 3: Wow. I didn't even know that because you know what, 762 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 3: because you know, when I see you on the ground, 763 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 3: I always see you doing this. 764 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 2: That's the other part. If you don't know. 765 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,800 Speaker 1: Sunglasses that change colors. 766 00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:01,840 Speaker 3: Hey America, China, that may bury Jones real T fixed hard. 767 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,760 Speaker 7: You like you, I know they gotta be hard because 768 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,720 Speaker 7: I know you. 769 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 1: You know, if if Shaq were to come to China 770 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: Steph and just kind of walk around, what do you 771 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 1: what kind of reception do you think. 772 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 2: Getting when he do come? Is the Aristotle baby? Come on? 773 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 2: Now you know what it is like with the ship land. 774 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,800 Speaker 3: But I can't say about the Chinese people, very honorable people. 775 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 3: It's like I've never never had a problem over there, 776 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:41,360 Speaker 3: old school sixteen seventeenth, eighteenth century honor acts. I remember 777 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 3: one time I was open because I thought I was 778 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 3: the man. I had a little statue, but my statues 779 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 3: and one another part of time, I'm rying. One day 780 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, I know how the statue in it, Like, 781 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 3: now that's stuffin my bery statue. This man got. This 782 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:56,799 Speaker 3: man got one hundred foot statue. 783 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 1: Dred foot. I know he's got two. One of them 784 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,319 Speaker 1: is one hundred foot shack. 785 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 2: Let me go when you got when you got your statue? 786 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 2: What year was it when you got your first statue? 787 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,840 Speaker 3: I'm not even sure because you know, crazy thing is 788 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 3: I didn't even ask for that. Like I'm over there 789 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,680 Speaker 3: just you know, doing my humanitarian things that we have 790 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 3: a surprise for you, and then I and then I went, oh, 791 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,759 Speaker 3: sorry about the accent, Yeah, I'm sorry, but anyway, like 792 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 3: to the ceremony and they unveiled that day, I was like, 793 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 3: I don't believe I have a statue in China, but 794 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,279 Speaker 3: ma Verry one too, like you have. You've had a 795 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,160 Speaker 3: lot of success over that. Everyone say, I'm happy for you, brother, 796 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,400 Speaker 3: I'm proud of you. And despite all the BS, you know, 797 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,200 Speaker 3: despite all the BS they put us through, you don't 798 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 3: have a championship if you don't have a ring over here. 799 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 3: Forget all that you was a great high school player, 800 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,959 Speaker 3: you was a great college player, you was a great 801 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 3: NBA player, And I think you're Hall of Fame Worgy. 802 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,520 Speaker 3: That's coming from the hard not just because podcast. 803 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 2: Right there, and then. 804 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:08,560 Speaker 3: I always I always thought like that, right, but I 805 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,839 Speaker 3: never said it. And the reason why I'm gonna start 806 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,880 Speaker 3: saying it now because we had Ai on my podcast, 807 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 3: and you know Ai, and I asked him because you know, 808 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 3: I kind of went viral one day for saying I 809 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,880 Speaker 3: was scared of Michael Jordan. It's not that I was scared, 810 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,920 Speaker 3: it was like I couldn't believe I was there and 811 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,680 Speaker 3: I did, like three hundred days earlier. This dude was 812 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,720 Speaker 3: on the wall now, so I was kind of nervous. 813 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,800 Speaker 3: We asked Ai, was he nervous at anybody? And without 814 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,359 Speaker 3: no hesitation, he said, you as any player, like when 815 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 3: you first saw at your position or any position. That 816 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,839 Speaker 3: like when you when when you first arrived in the NBA, 817 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,399 Speaker 3: It's like, oh my god, there he is. 818 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 8: Stephan Mayon Berry Maulberry. Stepan was just so strong and 819 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,440 Speaker 8: powerful and fact, you know what I mean, Like he 820 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 8: was cool, step step dride to bully me man. 821 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 3: And I never knew that, like I used to watch 822 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,360 Speaker 3: your battle court. But with no hesitation. Hall of Famer, 823 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,279 Speaker 3: the Great Ai said, I feared Stephani, my brother. So 824 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 3: when he said that, it just solidified what I said 825 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,479 Speaker 3: to you. So again I apologize for being late, my brother. 826 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 3: I'm just so proud of your national for you and 827 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,520 Speaker 3: what part of your Yeah, I live in Beijing, okay, 828 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 3: So I'll tell you what. Let's till I go to Beijing. 829 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,520 Speaker 2: Cow. I mean I live in I got Hong Kong 830 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,360 Speaker 2: idea as well, So I'm i'm I'm in Hong Kong 831 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,719 Speaker 2: and I'm in Macaw as well. 832 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:32,839 Speaker 3: And what's shoe brand? 833 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,880 Speaker 2: Are you with my own brand? I got my I 834 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,680 Speaker 2: got my own brand. I'm still doing my own stuff. 835 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,280 Speaker 3: Okay, Because I would like to propose a I would 836 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 3: like to propose a Reebok versus or Shack brand versus 837 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:50,240 Speaker 3: your brand with tournament three four parts of China. 838 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 2: Easy. You let me know, yo Shaq, and I gotta 839 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,080 Speaker 2: I gotta give you. I gotta give you yours too, man, 840 00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:01,600 Speaker 2: because what you've done for not only basketball, but for 841 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 2: the coature. 842 00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:02,680 Speaker 3: Man. 843 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:08,200 Speaker 2: You know, you you change people's lives, man, and it's 844 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,719 Speaker 2: it's a blessing. I know your mom, Your mom and 845 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,480 Speaker 2: my mom they used to go to the Mother's convention 846 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 2: all the time and they used to always kick it. 847 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:22,720 Speaker 2: So you know, whenever I see you, I see your mom. 848 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,360 Speaker 2: So it's all loved. Just so you know that I 849 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 2: appreciate that, my brother, Shack. 850 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,640 Speaker 1: You bring up a great point though about the Hall 851 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:34,080 Speaker 1: of Fame, because it is the pro basketball Hall of Fame, 852 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,040 Speaker 1: and we see this all the time with guys international. Well, 853 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,520 Speaker 1: then we need to take in what Starbury has done 854 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,759 Speaker 1: because he went over there and became one of the 855 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,360 Speaker 1: greatest players in the history of the country. That should 856 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,319 Speaker 1: absolutely play a role in a possible Hall of fame. 857 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,200 Speaker 3: But I had to. I had to change my perspective 858 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 3: because you know, and and Stephan, I don't understand what 859 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,279 Speaker 3: I'm about to say. When you were a great player, 860 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,320 Speaker 3: you always get caught up in what they say. And 861 00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:08,759 Speaker 3: for some reason they based us on championships, so you know, 862 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,839 Speaker 3: winning three in a row and went in four. Now 863 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,200 Speaker 3: that I'm part of the club, I actually started thinking 864 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:14,600 Speaker 3: like them. So I was like, oh, if you ain't 865 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,080 Speaker 3: got no ring, you can't be a Hall of fame. 866 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,680 Speaker 3: But Adam, I think it was you there, Perker. Now 867 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 3: I said, this is the basketball Hall of Fame, because 868 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,880 Speaker 3: again I remember, this is no disrespect the great Bill 869 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:30,320 Speaker 3: Walden rests in peace. He don't really have great legendary numbers. However, 870 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 3: if you go back to what he's done in high school, 871 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,759 Speaker 3: in college as well as the pros, it's you know, 872 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,080 Speaker 3: professional numbers don't matter. So when you say a guy 873 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,200 Speaker 3: like Bill Widen as a hall of famer, I understand that. 874 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,560 Speaker 3: And then Isaiah said the best there's two hall of fames. 875 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,640 Speaker 3: There's a hall of fame for people like us. That 876 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,759 Speaker 3: was a bad mofos. Shot your mouth and then as 877 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,400 Speaker 3: a basketball Hall of Fame. So Stephon Starberry should definitely 878 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:53,640 Speaker 3: be in the Hall of Fame because he was the 879 00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,239 Speaker 3: bad mofolks hurt your mouth. No, you don't have any championships. 880 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,760 Speaker 3: A lot of guys don't have championships. But he's definitely 881 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer. And I hope you get in 882 00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,319 Speaker 3: and if they ever asked me, you definitely get it 883 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,520 Speaker 3: because well because one, I'm gonna keep it real. It's 884 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,280 Speaker 3: a lot of people in there that they're in. Stefan 885 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,719 Speaker 3: has to get in period. There ain't nothing to talk about. 886 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:16,759 Speaker 2: Appreciate it. 887 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,839 Speaker 3: Hey, mans is hard. I don't care what I said. 888 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,160 Speaker 7: I got some new ones for you too. I got 889 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:31,280 Speaker 7: the choice too. We got ski goggles all that. Sure, 890 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,160 Speaker 7: actually actually know what? Actually No, I don't want you 891 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,400 Speaker 7: to order them. 892 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:44,279 Speaker 2: Tell people how they can get these dot com. 893 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,240 Speaker 3: And are they on Amazon? 894 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,680 Speaker 2: They come? They coming? Sure, they come. 895 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:53,959 Speaker 6: Now. 896 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,680 Speaker 1: I want more than anything is I want to find 897 00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:01,239 Speaker 1: a way to go with Shaq to Bay and to 898 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,680 Speaker 1: walk around the streets with stuff on our roll. I 899 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,920 Speaker 1: feel like that would be the craziest thing to watch. 900 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:11,960 Speaker 2: That's that's out of control, that's that's not They're be 901 00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,839 Speaker 2: mad at us if we did that. Police to be 902 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 2: mad at us. We did that. 903 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,600 Speaker 3: I owe you, I owe you an apology. Stuff. I'm 904 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,319 Speaker 3: gonna tell you why. You know how like when you 905 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,160 Speaker 3: see stuff on the ground, So like when you kept 906 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,680 Speaker 3: doing that and they kept changing out, I would make 907 00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:32,120 Speaker 3: this face. But now that I got him, I'll apologize. 908 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:38,319 Speaker 2: You've never seen Shack. Trust me, You're gonna be in 909 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,759 Speaker 2: a You're gonna be in a W Brolin. You're gonna 910 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:45,040 Speaker 2: be like nay, right here, you gotta do it, Bluetooth. 911 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,040 Speaker 1: I've never seen Shack more excited about about music. 912 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,200 Speaker 2: Shield. As soon as you hit over, you're gonna be 913 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:56,520 Speaker 2: speaking right through it easy. They not like us, They. 914 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:57,480 Speaker 6: Not like us. 915 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,719 Speaker 1: But Stephan Marbury, it is like three point thirty in 916 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,360 Speaker 1: the morning where you are thank you for your time, 917 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,840 Speaker 1: thank you for your grace, thank you for your words. 918 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:12,640 Speaker 2: Appreciate it. 919 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,640 Speaker 1: And I don't This will not be the last time, 920 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,120 Speaker 1: because there will be something with the big podcast, Shaq 921 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,880 Speaker 1: and China. I don't know when it's going to happen, 922 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,239 Speaker 1: but I will speak it into existence. We are going 923 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,040 Speaker 1: to go eventually, and I cannot wait for it to happen. 924 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,560 Speaker 3: It's going to be amazing. Thank you, my brother, I 925 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:30,080 Speaker 3: love you. 926 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:31,920 Speaker 2: Thanks for staying up, Stay out pease. 927 00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,640 Speaker 1: That was our conversation with the One, the Only, Stephan Marbury. 928 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:37,480 Speaker 2: Shack. 929 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,480 Speaker 1: I'm I'm curious man. I showed this picture to Steph 930 00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:47,000 Speaker 1: while you were racing to the interview this picture of Steph. 931 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,319 Speaker 1: Did you ever want to have that middle part haircut 932 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,760 Speaker 1: like Larry Johnson or Stephan Marbury? 933 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,279 Speaker 2: Was that ever a New York thing? No? 934 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,800 Speaker 3: I always had to part on the side because I 935 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,879 Speaker 3: always thought I was Billy Dee Williams. See a lot 936 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:05,600 Speaker 3: of y'all think I'm dark skin, but I'm actually caramel caramel. Yes, 937 00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:07,480 Speaker 3: I'm actually. 938 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,680 Speaker 1: How does that work for you when you tell people 939 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:11,280 Speaker 1: your caramel? 940 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,360 Speaker 3: It works very well for the ladies, because you know, 941 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:19,040 Speaker 3: ladies like light skinned brothers. What's that about us? Light 942 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,120 Speaker 3: skinned brothers. We've been winning for a while, El DeBarge Shack, 943 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,719 Speaker 3: I'll be sure us. 944 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:31,240 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, what would you what would you classify me as? 945 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:38,200 Speaker 3: You would be? You would be Spanish Spanish Spanish dam 946 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:48,799 Speaker 3: you'd be Adam Adam Consales, Gonzales, no consales, chapstick, my 947 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:49,520 Speaker 3: lips white. 948 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,960 Speaker 1: Let's see, I can't you're far enough away from the 949 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,240 Speaker 1: camera where I can't tell. I feel like that's always 950 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,800 Speaker 1: one of your biggest concerns is at are my lips? 951 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,359 Speaker 3: Chapter? Am I as? Yeah, I can't be having though, 952 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,239 Speaker 3: because you know, how could Shane don't give a shit? 953 00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,040 Speaker 3: Shane just edited and put it out. My fucking list, 954 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,560 Speaker 3: be licking my list, be all up. Yeah, I want 955 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:09,360 Speaker 3: to talk about. 956 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,520 Speaker 1: That is still one of the funniest moments of NBA 957 00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,000 Speaker 1: on TNT history is when Kevin Hart was on set 958 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,680 Speaker 1: during the All Star Game and he looked at Kenny 959 00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,200 Speaker 1: and said, Kenny's lips are so dry. If he smiled, 960 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:29,000 Speaker 1: his lip's gonna bleed. You guys lost it. 961 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:35,360 Speaker 3: Oh no, no, but you you want to know. But 962 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,160 Speaker 3: it made it funny because Kenny started doing that. 963 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,520 Speaker 1: Man, he started looking at his lips. 964 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:41,400 Speaker 6: Man. 965 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,880 Speaker 1: You know, the jokes are good when it causes you 966 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,400 Speaker 1: to lick your lips because you're afraid. 967 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:49,040 Speaker 6: Uh. 968 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:53,000 Speaker 1: But again, huge things to Stefan Marbury. Uh he has 969 00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,400 Speaker 1: these glasses that change color that Shaq is an enormous 970 00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,560 Speaker 1: fan of. For Shaquille O'Neal for stuff on Marbury. I 971 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,760 Speaker 1: am go the l E F K O E man, 972 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,359 Speaker 1: and we will hala hala hala at you later, see 973 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:05,759 Speaker 1: you next time. 974 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:06,320 Speaker 2: E E. F. 975 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,880 Speaker 3: K oh Man Man yeah. 976 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,080 Speaker 6: H h 977 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,759 Speaker 3: See a lot of y'all think I'm dark skinned, but 978 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:46,840 Speaker 3: I'm actually caramel