1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: What up, y'all? All the Smoke is hitting the road. 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Will be in New York October seventh and in Philly 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: October ninth. Make sure you guys come and kick it 4 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,159 Speaker 1: with us. We'll have Larry Johnson and some friends in 5 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: New York and then we'll have a million dollars worth 6 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: of game and Paul, George and Philly go to All 7 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: the Smoke Productions dot com slash tour. Use promo code 8 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: training at checkout for a buy one, get one free 9 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: promo offer. Offer won't last long. We'll see y'all there. 10 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: Welcome back All the Smoke, one half of All the Smoke. 11 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: My brother Jack love you. Sitting in the dentist chair 12 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: right now. He had to get some teeth pooled before 13 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: he said his mouth started to smelling like dump drug juice. 14 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: So wish out this episode out to you, bro. I'm excited, man, 15 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: this is I've been trying to track this person down 16 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: for a long time. Played against him for many years, 17 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: never really talked, just competed against each other, and I 18 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: always liked how hard he played. But then just kind 19 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: of started to see him live his life through social medium, 20 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: Like I knew how fucked with this dude, so long 21 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: time overdue. Glad to finally sit down with you. Welcome 22 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: to the show, Joe, Kim Noah Man, thank you, bro, 23 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Yes, no doubt, I'm glad we were 24 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: able to make this work. Man, Let's get to it. Unfortunately, 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: the world lost a giant this week. Did Kimba Matumbo 26 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: rest in peace and in love to his family. Your 27 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: dad and him had the same agent. You've known him 28 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: for a long time. Mentor on and off the court. 29 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: Tough love kind of gave you the blueprint to your 30 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: post career, if you would say so. Speak to obviously 31 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: how instrumental he was in your life and just you 32 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: know what he meant. 33 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: To you did Kemba's somebody who meant a lot to 34 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: a lot of people. So I want to choose my 35 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: words like wisely, what a special you know in the 36 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: basketball community, it's tough, but just all around the world. 37 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: Just the patience that he had for people is what 38 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 2: resonates the most. I remember going to Georgetown camp as 39 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: a kid and getting to see him like early on 40 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: in his NBA career and just always gave everybody the 41 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: time of day. And you know, his whole thing was 42 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 2: just about never forget where you're from. 43 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: You know. 44 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 2: I think that's something that resonates for people all around, 45 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: you know, just the guys from Kenshasa. He started playing 46 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: basketball at eighteen years old. 47 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: Crazy. 48 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: He got to Georgetown University to be to be a 49 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: medical student, a doctor. Coach Thompson sees him on campus, 50 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: He's like, yo, you need to get your big ass 51 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: in the gym. And you know what, and it was 52 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: just what an honor to be around that guy. Got 53 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: to spend a lot of time with him afterwards, you know, 54 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: with the bal just being able to invest in a 55 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: basketball league, with the NBA on the continent, just to 56 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: be around him. Just what a special guy, you know. 57 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: And I'll never forget the kember always. 58 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: You know. 59 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: I used to call that's my you know, it's you know, 60 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: and I would come in just you know, t shirts, 61 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: sweatpants like and he was like, if you if you 62 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: around me, if you around me, just don't be dressing 63 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: like that. You need to you know, this is this 64 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: is business now tighten up. So that that's the energy 65 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: that the Kembit, the Kemba had And it wasn't just basketball, 66 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: It's like all around the world just people. Just really 67 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: he deserved that love that he gets. 68 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: Rest in peace. Yeah, definitely. Obviously more news hit. About 69 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: a week and a half ago, one of your brothers 70 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: decided to call it a career. Derrick Rose one of 71 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: the most special athletes, uh, we've ever seen in this game. 72 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: He put fear in the hearts of the best of 73 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: the best in our league. Bro and you and you 74 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: were right there with it. You got Chicago one year 75 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: before him. He was your rook How did your guys 76 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: relationship start? And I know it turned into a real 77 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: brotherhood because I think I saw you officiated his his 78 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: his way. We'll get to that, but tell me how 79 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: all of it started. 80 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 2: It was just a real blessing to be around Pooh. 81 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: You know what do you call him? 82 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: Pooh Pooh? 83 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, you know it's you know, as special as 84 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: they come in terms of, you know, a real introvert 85 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 2: at heart, somebody who could score thirty on you. But 86 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 2: it just was scared of the postgame interview. He just 87 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 2: didn't want he didn't want no part of the media. 88 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:43,119 Speaker 2: You know. He just was always true to himself. And 89 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 2: you know, somebody who had an unbelievable talent, but just 90 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: stayed real throughout and I think, you know, I wouldn't 91 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 2: even you know, when you're a second year player. He 92 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 2: came in the year after before, I wouldn't call him 93 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 2: my you know what I'm saying. He didn't have to, 94 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 2: you know, give out all the gear. 95 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: And he didn't have to do nothing of the difference 96 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: he was. 97 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: He was that nice. You know, he was that nice. 98 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: He didn't have to just come into you at the hotel. 99 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 2: You have no rookie duties, you know, other people exactly. 100 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: I think our relationship grew, you know, obviously you want 101 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: to win a championship so bad, but our relationship really 102 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: grew smoking herb after he got hurt, you know. So 103 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: he got hurt, and I think that you know, he 104 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 2: was at the height of his thing, just you know, 105 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: signed a huge deal with the Bulls, sign a huge 106 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: deal with a Didas, but you know, had to sit 107 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: out that year, and I think it was a real 108 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 2: lonely time for him. Obviously. You know, I want to 109 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: give a big shout out to his friends, his brothers, 110 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 2: who you know, he keeps the same people from the beginning, 111 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 2: you know, real tight circle. But yeah, our relationship really 112 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 2: grew on the road, you know, putting putting that towel 113 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: under the in the in the bathroom. 114 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: Come on, man, now you're talking real ship, and these 115 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: people don't know, Like bro smoking weed was a real 116 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: job if you were smoking in the league, because it 117 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: was just you get in trouble. So we had to 118 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: get the towels. We had some people like to turn 119 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: the shower on and get too fucking hot in there. 120 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: But I always had the candles the intents. I bread 121 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: up the plugging glades too, so my. 122 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: Ship was smelling nice. You were organized. 123 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: Come on, man, I'm a sophisticated smoker, but it was 124 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: a real job. And then on top of that, we're 125 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: taking these drinks to try to flush our systems. Like 126 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: what was that? I mean, I love, no one's ever 127 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: really opened up on the show like that to really 128 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: let me know we can go there. So let's let's 129 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: motherfucking go there. 130 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: Brow this is this is all the smoke, right, this 131 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: is all the smoke, So let's. 132 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,679 Speaker 1: Go let's talk. So I mean you were saying putting 133 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: the towels under the door and just fellowshipping. 134 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 2: Yes, So you know that's that was some real bonding times. 135 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: You know when the guys would come in, I'm the best, 136 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: and I think our relationship really grew off that, you know. 137 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 2: You know, it's it's weird that, you know, it was 138 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: the height of his of his thing, and how how 139 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: lonely you can be, and you know, you're around your 140 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: teammates more than you're around your family, and you know, 141 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: but you know, even though we weren't really supposed to 142 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: smoke or anything like that, it was so important. It 143 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: was so important to just be able to just detach. 144 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: You know, this is this is big business is supposed 145 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: to exactly, So to be able to share that and 146 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: like really get to know each other. I mean it 147 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: wasn't nothing fancy. We're in the bathroom talking shit, smoking 148 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: a blunt, you know. So you know, I really cherished 149 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: those times, and I think that our brotherhood really grew 150 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: off that. And he was also somebody who always had 151 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: my back. 152 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: You know. 153 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: There was probably times where the bulls are like, oh, 154 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: we could probably get some better for Jokim, and he 155 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: was probably like, you know, I know, Pool was like, nah, 156 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: that's that's my guy. And I think similar, you know. 157 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: And when Pool was one of the most beloved figures 158 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: and when he got hurt. You know, I think a 159 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: lot of people turn their backs on him in his 160 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: own city. So to be able to be able to 161 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: support him through that, and I'm not I don't pretend 162 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: to be the only person who was, but who was 163 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: out there on the court with him and who had 164 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: to deal with that, I cherished that time. I think 165 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 2: it just all those tough times also made our relationships stronger. 166 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: And then you know, being able to mediate his officiate 167 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: his wedding. 168 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: That's dope, bro. I've seen that ship. I'm like, yeah, 169 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: look at this, this is incredible. Where was it that? 170 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: Where were you guys at? 171 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: I was out here Beverly Hills Hotel. 172 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: Okay, that was some fly ship, bro, It was fly. 173 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what, that was the most uncomfortable 174 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: ship I ever had. 175 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: Nervous. 176 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: I was nervous as hell, like a wedding. 177 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: Did you smoke one first? 178 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 2: I smoke one after I had I had to come right, 179 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: you know, I'm trying to you know, first time doing it. 180 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: It was my first time doing it, probably my last time. 181 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: You know, this is it's a big business. 182 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: You know, when when when Elena, you know, Mama Rose 183 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 2: and they were like, okay, you wanna you're doing this. 184 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: We need you for the don't fuck it up right. 185 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: You know, this is a big moment for my guys, 186 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: So I wanted to be right. You might. I didn't 187 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: even smoke one before. 188 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: Man, I waited till I should maybe just hit it 189 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: two or three times. I got this ship. So what 190 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: was he? I mean, I've got a chance, not as 191 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: long as you did, but I got a chance to 192 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: play with Covid, And I think there was a misconception 193 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: on just who he was as a person off the 194 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: court or even in the locker room. Covid with someone 195 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: you could talk shit too. He's gonna talk back to you, 196 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: he's gonna rap, he's gonna He's just a cool, down 197 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: to earth duke. We've never really got a chance to 198 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: see that side of d Is he like that or 199 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: is he just kind of always cool? 200 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: Laughing? 201 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: But he's always kind of reserved. 202 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's somebody who he he waits 203 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: until you know, he needs to be comfortable, Okay, you 204 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: know he's ah, he's a real introvert at heart, you know, 205 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: so quiet. But I remember a rookie year like Brandon 206 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: Jennings scored fifty five. So guys in the on the 207 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 2: on the plane of talking about, yo, Brandon James got 208 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: fifty five, he might get Rookie of the Year, and 209 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 2: Poo's not saying shit. And like two years later, you know, 210 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 2: we're having one of those smoke sessions and he's like, yo, 211 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: I remember when guys were talking about Brandon Jennings getting 212 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: the getting the Rookie of the year. I'm not gonna lie. 213 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: That's that put that fire in there. And he didn't 214 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: say a word the whole time, Right, that's the kind 215 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 2: of guy he is. Like even my when I ended 216 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 2: up retiring with the Bulls. You know, the Bulls were 217 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: they brought in the guys, but they were giving me 218 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: like that cheap the cheap liquor at the for the party. 219 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 2: You know who put the money down right away for me. 220 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: You know he but he'll do shit like that, but 221 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: just not say nothing. You know, he doesn't want credit 222 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: for anything, but just you know, class sag. I think 223 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: you know what he represented for that city. Every time 224 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 2: we you know, we laced them up. We felt like 225 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 2: we had a chance. And you know there's something different 226 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: about free agency, and you know, coming in and again 227 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 2: your first checks together and I mean, I'm going all 228 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: over the place. But Rookie year, rookie year, and he 229 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 2: gets the Rookie of the Year. He got all his 230 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 2: homies with him. We go out to the club. They 231 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 2: don't let him in. They can't let him in the 232 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: club because he's too young. Too young. He is the 233 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 2: most famous person in the city, right, you know. So 234 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: it's just like moments memories like that. That with the 235 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: MVP MVP Ye're like m VP year, MVP year was 236 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, hope is a is a really 237 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 2: powerful emotion, you know, and like when you play with 238 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 2: talent like that and you feel like you can win 239 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: any game, it's a special feeling. You know, you train 240 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 2: that much harder. And that's what he represented, not just 241 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 2: for us, but for the whole city, you know, And 242 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 2: you know, it was it was Miami. It was Lebron 243 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: to the heat and we really felt like, you know, 244 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: we were the squad that could get them, you know, 245 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: especially when we had that guy on our side. So 246 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: it was just having Pool on our side before he 247 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 2: got hurt was just it was superpower, superpower. You know. 248 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: It was like almostly he had the turbo button and 249 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: nobody else had the turbo button cheat. 250 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: Is there one game that stands out or a play 251 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: that stands out where you're just like God? I mean 252 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: you got to see it in practice and the game 253 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: every single day. Then you got to vibe with him 254 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: off the court, like, is there one time you're just 255 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: like God? 256 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 2: Damn? 257 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: Or it maybe several times? Wore he said that. 258 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: I mean it was it was every night. I mean, 259 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 2: the thing, the thing that was crazy. Just like you said, though, 260 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: I saw a lot of the top guys show fear 261 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 2: around him because they wanted to be friends with him, 262 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: They wanted to be cool with him, and he didn't 263 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: want none of that. You know. He was like, Okay, 264 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: these are my colors. I'm not trying to be friends 265 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 2: with none of you guys. None of you guys. He's like, 266 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: these are my teammates and that's it. But I saw 267 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: I saw a lot of the top guys who are 268 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 2: dominating the game who came they didn't want no problems 269 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 2: with that guy, No problem. I think there shout out. 270 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: Got the hoop with Obama before We're just coming off 271 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: the Kamala sit down, tremendous honor. How was it hooping 272 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: with Obama? 273 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 2: Before we even talk about Obama. Just I want to 274 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 2: give you guys your flowers because that's a beautiful thing. 275 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: And you know, we're talking about stories about when we 276 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 2: couldn't even smoke as players. Now you know, the biggest 277 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: sports podcast right now, all the smoke. You know, you 278 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 2: guys are really moving the culture forward. And you know 279 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 2: you can talk about HERB and you're over here, you know, 280 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 2: doing interviews with the next president of the United States. 281 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: You know, it just shows how far we've come as 282 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 2: a culture, especially when it comes to this HERB stuff. 283 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: So you know, big shout out to you guys for 284 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 2: what you guys are doing and and just the piff 285 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 2: the thing is just it's so important. Like you're playing 286 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 2: in front of twenty thousan twenty five thousand games over 287 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: at ten o'clock, Like what you expect me to go 288 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: to sleep at eleven? 289 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: But they don't understand the schedule. I mean, you think 290 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: about it. I mean back to backs. You're in Portland 291 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: one night and you got a you know, a back 292 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,359 Speaker 1: to back in San Antonio. You get to San Antonio 293 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: at one, you get to the room at two, Like 294 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: it's I mean, everyone has their vice. I just I 295 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: didn't judge nobody on their advice, but mind just happened 296 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: to be smoking. I know, if I smoked some, I'm 297 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: gonna go to sleep, you know what I mean. So 298 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: it's just like it was crazy how hard they made 299 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: it for that to happen. But I remember when I 300 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: retired in seventeen, myself and Al Harrington like we wanted 301 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: to kind of make it our goal to keep putting 302 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: it in their ear. We would fly out to New 303 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: York and talk to the MVPA, we would talk to 304 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: the NBA and just kind of just keep it on 305 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: their minds until they both got doctors and they said 306 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: the PA's doctor came back with the positive sides of it, 307 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: and the NBA doctor still kind of had the was 308 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: on the other side of No, it's still bad, and 309 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: they had to come meet to the middle. And then 310 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: you know, obviously the bubble, you know, when the world 311 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: stopped for COVID and they brought the bubble back, and 312 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking in my head, I'm like, bro, if 313 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: they test these dudes before they come back in the bubble, 314 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: there's eighty percent of the dudes are going to be 315 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: not playing. So you know, I think the NBA kind 316 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: of knew what they were dealing with. Let it slide, 317 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: and then from here on out, you know, they haven't smoked. 318 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: But like I said, I started smoking at fourteen, bro, 319 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: and it just I knew I had a wild childhood. 320 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: So it calmed me down, help me sleep, help me focus. 321 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: But that's what I used instead of I wasn't someone 322 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: who was going to take pills. I socially drink, but 323 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: like we was something that was always just that's what 324 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: I needed, and I was able to like be I guess, 325 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: a functional smoker, someone who smoked for the game. I'll 326 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: smoke before the game, go play the game, and then 327 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: smoke when I get done, you know what I mean. 328 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: And it was just kind of it. It saved me. 329 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: Although I had some I veered off the plane a 330 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: couple of times and got into some shit, Like I 331 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: can only imagine how much more shit it would have 332 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: been if I didn't have the weed at least kind 333 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: of somewhat calm down, help me down. 334 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't even call it a vice at 335 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: that point. Is you know something that a tool that 336 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 2: can just help us just relax, you know, and in 337 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 2: this madness, so shout out to you guys from making 338 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: that possible. 339 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: And I shout out to you for being the first 340 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: person that really kind of was really telling me because 341 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: I've had some other motherfuckers that I smoked a lot 342 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: of we with during during the years, and they didn't 343 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: want to really, so I ain't gonna push it, but 344 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: I appreciate you opening. 345 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: And we were smoking spice and all this garbage for that. 346 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: Spice was horrible. What was that like, ten eleven, twelve? 347 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: What was that back around twenty ten? Is was it? 348 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: At the time? It was nasty words. 349 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: Nasty shout out to Brad Miller bringing that nasty ass spice, 350 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 2: shout out to the big duck bringing that nasty Indiana spice. 351 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: It was over the locker room. 352 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: Spice was bad. I see, I had a bad Internet. 353 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: It wasn't me, but I've seen some bad shit happen 354 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: on that. But anyway, Yeah, but we're past it. We 355 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about it no more. Man, I'm 356 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: showing you the bags of our repertoire before you came 357 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: and shot. We're gonna celebrate once we get downe. But again, 358 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: let's talk, you know, let's talk Obama. You got a 359 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: chance too. Yeah, what was his game like and what 360 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: kind of person is he? 361 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 2: I thought it was just it was special, man. You know, 362 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 2: you get to play ball. I think it was his 363 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: fiftieth birthday, you know, president of the United States, and 364 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 2: I got to bring my mother and got to you know, 365 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 2: it was a big year. 366 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: How did it happen? You got they called you. 367 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 2: Up to I got that email. It was a different 368 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 2: it was a different kind of email, a different it 369 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 2: was very presidential. I'm like, mom, Mom was at that. 370 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: My mom checked this out. It said plus one. My 371 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 2: mom was like, I'm coming, I'm coming. But it was 372 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 2: really special just you're around the top guys and you 373 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 2: have that moment, you get to have a real moment 374 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 2: with the President of the United States, like as a human. 375 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 2: You know, the guys like comes. He represents America, but 376 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 2: he also you know, represents the Islands of Hawaii, represents Africa. 377 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 2: You know, he's also in this deal with the with 378 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 2: the NBA Africa. So it was a pretty surreal moment 379 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 2: just to be able to you know, all the guys 380 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 2: from his cabinet. They're off from Chicago, so you know, 381 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: we're at the height of our thing. Top one of 382 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 2: the top teams in the league. Obviously, poo just got MVP. 383 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: And who went over there with you from your team. 384 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 2: Just me and Pooh. But they also made it clear 385 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 2: like don't you know I remember he was he was 386 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 2: talking about my jump shot a lot, and it was 387 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: like the guys were just like laughing a little bit 388 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 2: too hard. 389 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: Like don't get it sucked up. I was like, yo, 390 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: like all right. 391 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: So he got the ball and I remember like I 392 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 2: ran like I was closed out on him, like I'm 393 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 2: not letting you shoot. You're not getting nothing. He just 394 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 2: needed to feel that a little bit. So that was 395 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: my That was my moment on the basketball court. 396 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: I think some people think sh it's sweet, you know, 397 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: until you get up out like you guys are a 398 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: lot bigger than you look on TV or faster strong. 399 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, no, I don't care if you're the president, bro, 400 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: you're not gonna be talking shit off camera. Before we started, 401 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: I mentioned that I just had a son a month 402 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: ago and you're expecting, and I just saw the way 403 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: you lit up fatherhood to you. You have a boy 404 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: on the way, you said. 405 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 2: I got my son on the way. Two more months, 406 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 2: two more months. 407 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: You already have two daughters. 408 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: I got one daughter, I got one son, you know, 409 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 2: seven and five. I got Alex who's sixteen as well, 410 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: from from my wife. But shout out to Lais. You know, 411 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: she got two more months left. 412 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: It's it's no joke, you know. 413 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 2: You know, usually you know, you're on the road playing ball. 414 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 2: So okay, I'm retired now, so I have a little 415 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 2: more time to be here. Whatever it takes. If I 416 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 2: got to be the Uber driver, I'm the Uber driver. 417 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 2: If I got to take out the garbage, I'm taking 418 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 2: out the garbage. You know, whatever it takes. But you know, 419 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: I really hope, I really hope that this. You know, 420 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: my girl six's one, so I really hope that we 421 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 2: might she might have a Wemby and she might have 422 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 2: a Wemby in there, you know, So I hope. I 423 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 2: just hope that he loves hoop. My question was really 424 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: to you because I see your twins are killing it. Yeah, 425 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 2: so it was just more how did you kind of 426 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: get them to play ball? 427 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: It was a journey, you know. The twins started being 428 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: able to move around with me maybe my last four 429 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: or five years, so they got to be you know, 430 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: Coobe was Uncle Cole. As soon as he met them, 431 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: he started giving them shoes. So he was around that. 432 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: He was around CP Blake and Lop City. He was 433 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: around that Golden State Warriors team I finished with KDS, 434 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: Steph and and that whole crew. So they always liked it. 435 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 1: But they were kids, so they love video games. So 436 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: they could shoot the ball and knew the game, but 437 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,479 Speaker 1: they didn't want to work on their games. So I 438 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: wasn't in my homeboy G you know, you have talks 439 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: about this like I'm not gonna they don't want to do. 440 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna push them. It's not gonna they have 441 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: to love it more than I love it. So I 442 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: kind of just let him slide by until they kind 443 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: of started seeing I coached started coaching them when they're 444 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: about eight when I retired, and they went from the 445 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: best player to kind of the middle of the pack, 446 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 1: and I'd just be like, you guys, see like yeah, okay, 447 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: and so sometimes we shoot. And then their tenth birthday, 448 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: I took him to go see Code for a surprise 449 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: birthday and he trained them, and I kind of think 450 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: that lit the fire. Then about twelve and a half thirteen, 451 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: they're like, all right, Dad, We're ready. So they're fifteen now, bro, 452 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: And just when I tell you, like, it's just the 453 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: most joy in my life when I just see them 454 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: continuing to get better and they love doing it like 455 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: their doll. They work out constantly now, so they fell 456 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: in love with the with the journey, you know what 457 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: I mean. So it's just been fun. So I definitely 458 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: hope you get that appreciate you get to get to 459 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: get that ride and see what it's like. 460 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 2: It's dope, man, because I'm seeing a lot of the 461 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 2: guys kids are one of them getting really good. So 462 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 2: is it the access of having the top trainers around, 463 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 2: you know, the inspiration of having like, you know, the 464 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: superstar players coming and say what's up? You know, there's 465 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: so many. I'm a third generation athlete. My grandfather Will 466 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 2: as a soccer player on a professional level in France 467 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 2: and Team Sedon champion. You know, Pops is the man, 468 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 2: last French guy to win the French Open, win a 469 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 2: Grand Slam, only African to ever even be a top 470 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 2: ten player, you know, So the journey, his journey was 471 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 2: always interesting and I was blessed to see his work 472 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 2: at THIC, you know, even though it was a different sport. 473 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: You know, Pops would make me run before school. That 474 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 2: was that was his thing, Like all right, you're gonna 475 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: do something that's different because you know, I'm playing basketball, 476 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 2: I'm from New York. You know, it's like all right, 477 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,239 Speaker 2: after a certain amount of time, it's like all right, 478 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: silver spoon, this silver spoon that like yo, okay, like 479 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 2: you guys got me fucked up, Like I gotta work 480 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 2: at THIC. I'm gonna work hard. You're gonna see real work. 481 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to When did that kick in? Because 482 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: that was my when I'm thinking, like I grew up 483 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: on food stamps, holy shoes live you know, let family 484 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: live with us. We live with family life. Twins grew 485 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: up behind gates private school and have twenty pair of shoes, 486 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: you know, like when did so? My my always concerned 487 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: is like how am I going to make sure they 488 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: understand first and pemos, it's not how everyone lives, but 489 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: how am I get that dog in that fight in them? 490 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: So I just had to keep being creative and find 491 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: ways and they have it now. But when did that 492 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: light turn off for you to be like now, fuck 493 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: that this? Like you said, shit ain't sweet. 494 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 2: It's funny. I think that me and Pooh's relationship came 495 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 2: off that question because he was interested in that for 496 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 2: his Oh really, so he was always interested like how 497 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 2: how did you become? How you are? You know, having 498 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: with your background, with your background, it's an interesting thing. 499 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 2: But I'll say this, seeing the way that he trained, 500 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: being able to see his training habits, but also like 501 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 2: going back to Africa. You know, every year we went back, 502 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 2: and it gave me perspective like, Okay, you are really blessed, 503 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 2: and let's not forget, like okay, you let you get 504 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: to live in America, like simple things hot water, you know, 505 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: air conditioning, you know, wood floor, indoor courts, you know, 506 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 2: high school's playing against you. It's like, yo, we have everything. 507 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 2: So going back to Africa, there's none of those things, 508 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 2: you know. So going back to Cameroon was definitely the 509 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: biggest blessing my dad ever gave me because it gave 510 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 2: me that perspective. And you know, before every game, that's 511 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: where my mind went. It was just like my roots. 512 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: Even though I never lived there, I got it. I 513 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,239 Speaker 2: got to feel it enough as a kid where I 514 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 2: was like, okay, this is where I'm from. I'm never 515 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 2: going to forget who I am and where I'm from. 516 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 2: I think it just gave me my strength to just 517 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 2: you know, push myself that much harder. And and also, 518 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 2: like you know, people, people talk a lot of shit 519 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: in New York. So for me, it was like, all right, 520 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 2: I gotta let them know you're gonna respect me as 521 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 2: a teammate because of how hard I go, and I 522 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 2: felt like I had to. I showed that every single time. 523 00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 1: I still loved that. I love that. We were going 524 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: to to touch on the b AL a little bit later, 525 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: but since you spoke about, you know, what going back 526 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: to Africa meant to you and getting to your roots, 527 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: how did the b AL come about it? And for 528 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: those who don't know what the b AL, can you 529 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,239 Speaker 1: briefly explain what that is? So? 530 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 2: The BA is the Basketball Africa League. It's it's a 531 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: partnership with the NBA. It's the NBA league in Africa. 532 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: You know, since retirement, this has been the biggest blessing 533 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 2: of my life. You invested in it, right, I'm an investor. 534 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 2: I'm an investor with Louel dang as well. Obama's an investor, 535 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 2: and the Kemba was an investor in it, and you know, 536 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 2: just got to be around. First of all, the NBA 537 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 2: is not going to let this fail. So just to 538 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 2: be around that kind of high level energy, that high 539 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 2: level that business, To be around the business like that, 540 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 2: I think was really special. And you know, I just 541 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 2: remember being at the height of my basketball career and 542 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 2: I would go back to Cameroon and they would be like, so, 543 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 2: so what do we do. That's a really tough question 544 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: for somebody. I don't care if you're an All Star 545 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 2: or at the height of your thing, Like, how are 546 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 2: you supposed to answer a whole basketball ecosystem for a country? 547 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 2: That was really tough. So when I had the opportunity, 548 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 2: I built a court and I'm gonna do. Gallo Fall, 549 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 2: who is the president of BAAL but who was a 550 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 2: scout for the Dallas Mavericks at the time. We were 551 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: always very close and he ended up coming to talk 552 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 2: to the kids on my court in twenty ten. I 553 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 2: don't really remember his words. I just remember that the 554 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 2: opportunity was it was somewhere along the lines that the 555 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 2: opportunities were going to be different in the future, and 556 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 2: I just remember him talking and I'm you know, we 557 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 2: see guys come and talk to the kids all the time, 558 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 2: but I remember just being in tears and just the 559 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 2: power of his words and just the way he spoke 560 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 2: about it and just like him getting on a plane 561 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 2: like it's complicated. You just from seneg got to Cameroon. 562 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 2: You have to go through other countries and he ended 563 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 2: up coming for us. And as soon as this opportunity came, 564 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 2: you know, he called me and he was like, Yo, 565 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 2: do you want to be an investor in in this league? 566 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 2: I was I didn't even I didn't even ask what 567 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 2: year was that? Uh, this was four years ago, so 568 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 2: right after the Yeah, so you had to be a 569 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 2: retired player. And you know, there's been the most amazing 570 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 2: journey just being able to travel all these countries in 571 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 2: Africa and you know, rest in peace to Cambi just 572 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: being around him and seeing how how much joy he 573 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 2: had and just you know as a trailblazer and all 574 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 2: the work that he had to do to be able 575 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 2: to you know, his with his voice like saying like 576 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,479 Speaker 2: you know, like squatch, in ten years, this is going 577 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 2: to be a unicorn, this is going to be a 578 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 2: ten X. Don't worry joke, don't worry, you know, just 579 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 2: the pride that he had and being able to build it. 580 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 2: Like just it's a business that's in investing in people 581 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 2: in Africa, investing in the people. You know, so many 582 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 2: people think about Africa as just it's like, you know, 583 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 2: the chembis from Congo. This is like the most exploited 584 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 2: land in the world. People go there for the minerals 585 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 2: and bounce you know, it's it's really real. So to 586 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 2: be able to be a part of something where you're 587 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 2: actually pouring back in the people. Like when you talk 588 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: to these kids out there and you talk to them, 589 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 2: it's not like how it's not like talking to the 590 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 2: kids out here. You know, these kids have no attention 591 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 2: spans out here. You talk to them for five minutes 592 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 2: high at school, but their eyes open hungry. You build 593 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: a court. I build a court in Cameroon this summer. 594 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 2: We had six hundred kids go through that court. You 595 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 2: might have one hundred and fifty kids on one court 596 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 2: at a time. You throw a bounce pass, you gotta 597 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 2: wait for forty people. You gotta wait forty kids before 598 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: you can throw another pass. And I mean that's what 599 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 2: that's what they're up against right and just to see 600 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 2: the the fight in these kids. Man, it just it 601 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: makes me go back every time. And now that we 602 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 2: have the NBA platform, like, I really feel like the 603 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 2: sky's the limits. 604 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: No one has planning the flag as far as professional 605 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: sports in Africa, right, Like soccer is probably the biggest, 606 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: most watched. But this is an opportunity. I mean one 607 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: point three if there's four times bigger than the United States. 608 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: So if this catches fire, I think the King might 609 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: have been underselling the ten X, you know. I mean, 610 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: this can be a monster if it, you know, continues 611 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: to go to the right direction. 612 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 2: Thank you man. You know that's that's the goal. You know, 613 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 2: these are the fastest growing youth populations in the world. 614 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 2: You know, the numbers don't lie. If they get if 615 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 2: they get their courts and the education and everything that 616 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 2: comes with what we know about the game, the sky's 617 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 2: the limit. And I'm really proud to be a part 618 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 2: of that. 619 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: What do you think the game looks like if it 620 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: continues to your vision, your team's vision, that the league's vision. 621 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: Where do you feed the like in ten fifteen years? 622 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 2: The next step is definitely pushing the grassroots. We need 623 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 2: we need. We need more African stars, you know. But 624 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 2: when you look at Joel and b and what he's doing, 625 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 2: Joel started playing basketball at sixteen, seventeen years old. Like, 626 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 2: imagine if you lower the hoops out there where the 627 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: kids can go out there and do their thing. Imagine 628 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 2: if there's investment in coaching and they start getting there's 629 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 2: enough courts where oh you're getting individual workouts now too, 630 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 2: or oh, the guys want to make trick, want to 631 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: do trips to Africa and you know, teach a couple 632 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 2: of coaches for a month. You know, That's really what 633 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 2: I'm trying to push because I think I feel like 634 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 2: a lot of the guys want to do it, and 635 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 2: now we have a platform where you know, you can 636 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 2: learn the continent is so special. 637 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: Let's take all the smoke out there next summer and 638 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: do a camp and everything and turn it out. 639 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 2: That would be so dope. 640 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: Let's do that, make that happen. I'll smuggle the piff, 641 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,719 Speaker 1: my guy. What about some of the other giants in 642 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: Africa before the history? 643 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, common, yeah, what are your thoughts on the history? 644 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 2: I think that's a great question. You know, first of all, 645 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 2: I'm sure I really want to touch on what Lou did, 646 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 2: because what Lou did this summer was was so special, 647 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 2: you know, just being able to well, I want to 648 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 2: give him his flowers because it also connects with like 649 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 2: Minute Bull, they're from the same area. But just just okay, 650 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 2: the guy gets to represent South Sudan is the youngest 651 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 2: country in the world. It's got Soudan got its independence 652 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 2: I think fifteen years ago. Sudan is also where Manu 653 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 2: Bull's from minud Bowl was giving his checks to buy 654 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 2: weapons to so that the people in the villa could 655 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 2: protect themselves from from a genocide. Like I'm just getting 656 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 2: goosebumps like that. I mean, it's like we're talking about 657 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: all this stuff and it's just like this is the 658 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 2: pioneers of Africa, Like this is what we're talking about. 659 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 2: You know, this is a whole other level of of 660 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 2: human rights. And you know, so that's that's loose, that's 661 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 2: loose people, you know. And then for him to be 662 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 2: able to you know, you hear the stories of Manewball 663 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: and how much people loved him and appreciated him, his 664 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 2: sons in the league, like but you know that was 665 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 2: his his fight was weapons to protect his people and 666 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 2: and now to be able to see, you know what 667 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 2: the next general, the next couple of generations later to 668 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 2: have a Luel Dang who build courts in his country 669 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 2: and be able to represent his country on the biggest 670 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: stage play against the US, make it a real game 671 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 2: where they are competing their asses off. That was not 672 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 2: for just for Southsidan. That was for the whole continent. 673 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 2: Because now these young kids are looking at guys that 674 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 2: look like they like Yo, that guy looks like me, 675 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 2: to believe it, and you know you're talking about the 676 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 2: inspiration for your kids. You know, that's what Luel's being 677 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 2: able to provide for a whole continent. So like what 678 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 2: Luell did this summer in the Olympics, like you just 679 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 2: got to give him his flowers because you know, as 680 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 2: a as a obviously he was my teammate, but for everybody, 681 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 2: I just always wanted to give him. He deserves his 682 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: flowers the work he put in. Shout out Royal Ivy. 683 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 2: You know they brought in their high school coach who 684 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 2: ended up coaching on the national team. It's just like 685 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 2: real visionary shit. You know, it's not just oh, I 686 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 2: have an idea, like I'm smoking one, Like have an idea. 687 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 2: It's like, all right, I'm getting on a fifteen hour flight. 688 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 2: I'm comfortable as hell. I made a lot of money 689 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 2: playing here. But you know what, I'm going back. I'm 690 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 2: doing what I gotta do because I have a vision. 691 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 2: And and you get to see it. You got you 692 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 2: get to see the product where they're playing against the 693 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 2: US and it's a war out there. I mean, now 694 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. 695 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a battle. It's a battle. That's dope. So 696 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: when you hear and this is not even I mean, 697 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:26,280 Speaker 1: obviously Gilbert is an evil genius, my guy, but burnt 698 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: out when you but you hear when you hear like 699 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: kind of the jokes about what they were saying they 700 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: got baskets and you know, in the fact they shoot 701 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: on peach baskets and dirt no shoes. Is that ha ha? 702 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: Or is that like knowing the grind? Is that fucked 703 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: up to you? 704 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 2: I think it was an important moment because there is 705 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 2: a lot of ha ha going on. 706 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: You know. 707 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 2: It's like, look, I grew up. I'm blessed. I grew 708 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 2: up in Paris, I grew up in New York City. 709 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 2: I got to travel in Africa. So for me, it 710 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 2: was never because you know these are this is my 711 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 2: people too, like my mom's Swedish. I come from a 712 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 2: lot of different places. But the reality is, yeah, there 713 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 2: is a disconnect between black people in the inner city 714 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 2: out here and Africa. And I think that that was 715 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 2: a great lesson to be able to connect some of 716 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 2: the dots. And you're like, look, you guys are pioneers 717 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 2: and what you guys are doing, Like you know, your 718 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 2: podcast is called all the Smoke. You had the president, 719 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 2: the future president do your thing last a couple of 720 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 2: days ago, like ten years ago. You couldn't even think 721 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 2: about no shit like this. So we're on the same shit, like, 722 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 2: you know, our thing is trying to bridge the gap, 723 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,879 Speaker 2: like we're trying to bridge bridge it. You know what, 724 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 2: who brought his high school kids and he was like, yo, 725 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 2: let's go to Senegal, Let's go to Africa. He got 726 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 2: all the kids passports. You know he did that with 727 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 2: his own money. It wasn't you know, he did that 728 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 2: with his own money because he wanted to bring the kids. 729 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,919 Speaker 2: It was right after my wedding. It was the most 730 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,240 Speaker 2: powerful trip I've ever done. You know, you got kids 731 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 2: who don't leave their blocks, don't leave their their neighborhood 732 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,439 Speaker 2: to be able to get that perspective and go into 733 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 2: Africa and realize what you have. You know, it was 734 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 2: a basketball trip, so the kids meet through basketball in 735 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 2: a culture exchange. But the Tripbute was so much bigger 736 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 2: than just basketball. It was life changing. You go to 737 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 2: the slave castles, you know, you get to connect, you 738 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,959 Speaker 2: get to have new friends, You get to see where 739 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 2: these guys, where these kids are playing. You're playing in 740 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 2: one hundred and ten degree weather. Perspective, Man, yo, you 741 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 2: got to indoor gym. You got to indoor gym. You 742 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 2: get to get go play in front of your little girlfriend, 743 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 2: your all your family. Like, don't take that shit for granted. 744 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 2: Every African that comes across the pond because he's a tall, 745 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,720 Speaker 2: you know, raw goofy, like he can't really play that well, 746 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,919 Speaker 2: you know, but you know whatever, we take him because 747 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 2: he can block shots. Like he's leaving. There's a lot 748 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 2: of sacrifice. There's a lot of huge sacrifice that goes 749 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 2: into that. So it's like understanding where people are coming 750 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 2: from and like leaving your culture, leaving your people to 751 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 2: come and try to live out your dreams. So that's 752 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 2: what we're trying to do. When we're building the infrastructures 753 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 2: and all this stuff in Africa, it's like you don't 754 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 2: have to leave, you can you get you can play 755 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 2: in front of your family. 756 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: You know, obviously it's continuing to grow, but are there 757 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,879 Speaker 1: resources that are that are needed or is everything kind 758 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: of planted and it now just has to grow. 759 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 2: I think it's just chipping away every day, you know. 760 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,760 Speaker 2: I think that the I think that there's a huge 761 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 2: value in just like the people on this side like yo, 762 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 2: this at some point, like we can say whatever you want, 763 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 2: that's the roots, that's the origins, that's that's home. Like 764 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 2: you know, I know that that might sound weird to 765 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 2: some people, but you know what, it's the truth. So 766 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 2: to be able to connect with your roots, I think 767 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 2: it's something that you know, both sides can definitely learn 768 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 2: from and take in. You know, because you get to 769 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 2: go you get to go to Africa, you get to 770 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,800 Speaker 2: see the roots and where you know what it looked 771 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 2: like it's at one point. And you can also teach basketball, 772 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 2: you know. I think that's the next step is like 773 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 2: bringing in guys who can teach the game and the 774 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 2: more we do that, that's when we get the diamonds 775 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 2: in the dirt. 776 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: Favorite places in Africa to travel, favorite cities or favorite 777 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: thing to do out there when when outside of basketball. 778 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 2: My favorite thing to do when I go to Africa, 779 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 2: I really enjoy going to Yong Day because that's where 780 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 2: where Yo Day and Cameroon. So Yong Day is for me, 781 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 2: is my great grandfather's land. It's where my great grandfather 782 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 2: is buried. It's where my grandfather is buried. It's where 783 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,720 Speaker 2: I'll be buried. It's where my father will be buried. 784 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 2: It's where my grandmother build a school, all on the 785 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 2: same land where I build my basketball court. So when 786 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 2: I go back, these are my childhood memories. We're also 787 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 2: an hour drive away from from the beach and KB, 788 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 2: you know it's Clay. Actually, Klay Thompson did a camp 789 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 2: shout out to Slay Thomas this summer. Right this past summer, 790 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 2: he came to Cameroon. He put in some work with 791 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 2: the Clay real quick. 792 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to. I want you to finish. Did 793 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:23,919 Speaker 1: you guys, you and really know each other? 794 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 2: Not really? 795 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: He's how fucking cool is he's? 796 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know him that well, but we 797 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 2: connected on some reggae. 798 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: You guys, he's he's a vibe dude. 799 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,839 Speaker 2: He's a vibe dude. I can tell you he's a Yeah. 800 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: Shout out, Clay, shout out. How was that? I think? 801 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 2: You know, I wasn't there. I wasn't there when he came. 802 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 2: But try to set him up. My dad has a 803 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 2: little boat out there. I saw he was doing work 804 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,320 Speaker 2: with the kids. So I was like, Yo, take the clay, 805 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 2: take the boat. He took tom boat out. He took 806 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 2: the boat out, but I heard the waves were crazy. 807 00:39:58,719 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 2: So they went out and they were like, now we 808 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 2: out bring back out here. That was cool. Rwanda. Kigali 809 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,240 Speaker 2: is a very special place. You know. Kali is a place. 810 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's great because there's just so 811 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 2: much interesting things to learn, you know. You know, we 812 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 2: do a lot of going to Kigali. I went there 813 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 2: with the ba l for the first time just to 814 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 2: see how clean and organize the country is. It is 815 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 2: just like everything they tell you about Africa. It's the 816 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,280 Speaker 2: complete opposite. You know, this is the most organized country. 817 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 2: Everybody got health care, education, I mean, it's just next 818 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 2: level and you know, all you hear about when you 819 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 2: think of Rwanda as a genocide that happened there is 820 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 2: and but what their reconciliation story and the way they 821 00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,319 Speaker 2: were able to bounce back from from that kind of pain. 822 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 2: You know, I think there's a lesson there that, you know, 823 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 2: we can really learn from on this side. You know, 824 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 2: just how do we how do we come together after 825 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 2: so much pain? You know, So, I mean, this is 826 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 2: the kind of the lessons and what we can learn 827 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 2: from from Africa is it's it's hard to put in 828 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 2: the words, but I'm just blessed to be with this platform. 829 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 2: I'm able to travel all around and not just go 830 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,840 Speaker 2: where my where my family's from. But there's just so 831 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 2: much to see. You know. You you go up to 832 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,919 Speaker 2: the you go up in the north, it's Morocco, it's Algeria, 833 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 2: you go you go to the you got the Pyramids, 834 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 2: and then you go to South Africa. It's like the 835 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 2: music is crazy, you know, it's the Zulu warrior energy. 836 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 2: It's like, oh you give me, like damn. This ship 837 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 2: kind of reminds me of New York, Like it's just 838 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 2: the tough and like you'll go to the club and 839 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,240 Speaker 2: you'll be like the's going on. Man, This is crazy 840 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 2: out here. So it's just Africa special, man, that's what's up. 841 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 2: I love it. 842 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,399 Speaker 1: Gainesville, Florida. I heard that place as special. You were 843 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 1: there in a in a in a heavy time and 844 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: we will get to the back to back championships. But Tebow, 845 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: Cam Newton, Aaron hernandez uh what was that dot called 846 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 1: on Netflix about the football team Swamp Kings. I mean 847 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 1: you were you you were in the swamp. Talk to 848 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 1: us about your experience at Florida. Obviously the back to 849 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 1: back championships, but just life in that ecosystem because there 850 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: was a lot of professional athletes the time you were there. 851 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 2: No, Gainesville, that time was as special as it come. 852 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,800 Speaker 2: You know, it's your first time leaving home, being away 853 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 2: from your family, and you know we had there was 854 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 2: all those guys that you mentioned where we all lived 855 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,360 Speaker 2: in the same dorm in the same place. You know. 856 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:58,319 Speaker 2: The stories are like where do I start? Where do 857 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,240 Speaker 2: I start? But I actually watched the documentary not long ago, 858 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 2: and there was a moment in that documentary where one 859 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 2: of the kids got caught smoking a joint and they 860 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 2: kicked him off the team and he went home and 861 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 2: he got killed and urban Meyer touched on it and 862 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 2: he was like, you know what, I have to live 863 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 2: with that as the leader of this shit. I have 864 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,319 Speaker 2: to live with that knowing that I kicked off a 865 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 2: kid and this happened. So he was like, never again, 866 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 2: will that happen to any of my kids. I will 867 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,319 Speaker 2: never kick one of my if I recruit them, they're 868 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,919 Speaker 2: staying with me. And I think that it gave them 869 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 2: a bond that you know, it allowed them to go 870 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 2: all the way and win a championship. It's deep, you 871 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,320 Speaker 2: know we were able to obviously, you know my roommate 872 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 2: was Al Horford and Corey Brewer and Toryren Green, Lee Humphrey, 873 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,839 Speaker 2: see Rich Walter Hodge, like these guys are still some 874 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:09,799 Speaker 2: of my closest friends today. And it was so we 875 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 2: win the championship after sophomore year, and this is my 876 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,279 Speaker 2: first time where people were like, yo, you could be 877 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 2: a top pick. You know, it's time for you to go. 878 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,799 Speaker 2: It's time for you to go to the NBA. And 879 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,279 Speaker 2: I love those guys so much and I love what 880 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 2: we had so much that we ended up going back 881 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:28,879 Speaker 2: to school another. 882 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 1: Year because you al who else could have left all 883 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: through you guys. 884 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 2: And we ended up staying another year because you know, 885 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 2: you can't. Chemistry is just something you can't. You can't deny. 886 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,360 Speaker 2: You can't deny when when you're open, you're getting the ball. 887 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,720 Speaker 2: You know, your guys tendencies just you just love hooping 888 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 2: with the guys so much and the brotherhood just becomes 889 00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 2: it's like second nature, you know. And I'm really proud 890 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 2: of that that, you know it was. It was not 891 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 2: about the money, and we showed it. You know a 892 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,520 Speaker 2: lot of people say, oh, it's not about the money, no, 893 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 2: but you know what, let's run it back. There was 894 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 2: no nil shit. We were paying money, We were paying 895 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,640 Speaker 2: the Lloyd's of London the insurance to stay. You know, 896 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 2: that's what those years meant to us. You know, you 897 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 2: can there was real sacrifice in it, and I think 898 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,080 Speaker 2: you know you can't. Those years were as special as 899 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 2: they come. 900 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 1: Obviously, you know, back to back champs and in the bonds. 901 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 1: But you know, we went to school right over the 902 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 1: hill in Westwood at U c. L A. And although 903 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: I had a ton of fun playing basketball, I probably 904 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 1: had more fun not playing basketball. What were those Knights like? 905 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:46,879 Speaker 1: Any stories you could share? I don't want to get 906 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,240 Speaker 1: nobody in trouble. I mean we mentioned some heavy names. 907 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 1: You ever see t b out there smoking the joint? 908 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:55,360 Speaker 1: What's happening? Like, would you see out there that you 909 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 1: can speak on? 910 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 2: It was wild? T Bow was not wild at all. No, 911 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 2: he was. It's what made him him though. You know 912 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,439 Speaker 2: he was probably like on Fridays, he was probably reading 913 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,319 Speaker 2: his Bible and he was serious. He was We had 914 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,320 Speaker 2: a class together. He was always doing the extra credit. 915 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 2: You know. I was like, yo, like you're a square bro, 916 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 2: like extra credit. But you know, but like talk about 917 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,319 Speaker 2: like his competitive spirit. You couldn't You couldn't deny that, 918 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,920 Speaker 2: you know, especially Okay, you're going to school in the South, 919 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 2: you know, that was a real that was crazy to me. 920 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,799 Speaker 2: It's like, you know, you're going down University Avenue and 921 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 2: that's like the main main road on campus and you 922 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,600 Speaker 2: got the black kids on one side and you got 923 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 2: the white kids on one side party and it's just 924 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,319 Speaker 2: like nobody mixed. And that to me that it was 925 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 2: just like we were able because of the sports thing 926 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 2: to crossover. It bridged a little bit more, you know, 927 00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,319 Speaker 2: And that's the power of sports and what we do 928 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,480 Speaker 2: on the platform that we have is like you win, 929 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 2: it becomes so much bigger than rich, poor, black, white, 930 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,040 Speaker 2: all that stuff. You know, you're able to do something 931 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,760 Speaker 2: that's bigger than bigger than you, bigger than you. 932 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 1: Before we started, you told us about uh, you got 933 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 1: arrested out there though, because you had a little dube. 934 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 2: In your pocket. That's right. 935 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 1: This is after your first year in Chicago. 936 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 2: So it's my brook after my rookie year. You know, 937 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,960 Speaker 2: I'm feeling myself. I'm I'm feeling myself. I'm like, I'm 938 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,239 Speaker 2: going back to school, you know, I have it back 939 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,280 Speaker 2: to school, and I'm in the club, having a good time. 940 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,320 Speaker 2: I'm smoking in the club, and I got a little 941 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 2: doobie left in my pocket, and I guess somebody saw 942 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,839 Speaker 2: because as soon as I got out there, as soon 943 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 2: as I got out the club, I got arrested. I 944 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 2: mean that was a pretty tough moment because you know, 945 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,400 Speaker 2: you you turn on the TV, then you see your 946 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,160 Speaker 2: name on the ticker arrested for we you know, we 947 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,839 Speaker 2: actually just it was the day before we found out 948 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 2: we got the number one pick. So it was like 949 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,239 Speaker 2: there was such a high around the bulls we had 950 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,319 Speaker 2: the number one pick, and then it's like, I fuck 951 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,160 Speaker 2: it up with getting arrested with a fucking half a 952 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,880 Speaker 2: joint in my pocket, and it was it was, it 953 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 2: was tough. And then I realized. I was like, yo, 954 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,480 Speaker 2: the cops were just like they were rough in me. 955 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,560 Speaker 2: They were tough too, And I was like, whoa what? 956 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,520 Speaker 2: Like I just went back to back championships and you 957 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,960 Speaker 2: guys are arresting me over half a joint? Like, what 958 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,839 Speaker 2: the fuck is going on? And I found out later 959 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,360 Speaker 2: that after our second championship somebody who was drinking, driving 960 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,200 Speaker 2: drunk and a cop got killed. Oh really, so they 961 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,680 Speaker 2: were the cops were high alert, high alert. They were pissed, 962 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,040 Speaker 2: and they made they made an example out of me, 963 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,040 Speaker 2: you know what. And I got in the program, and 964 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,560 Speaker 2: you know, that was my introduction to the program. You know, 965 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,640 Speaker 2: shout out Dirk, Cliff, out Cliff. You know. 966 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,040 Speaker 1: It was like explained to explain people to the if 967 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,239 Speaker 1: you don't know what the NBA a drug program is, 968 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 1: I don't even like to call a drug weed program. 969 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,239 Speaker 1: What is it? What you gotta do? 970 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,000 Speaker 2: Well, you just get pissed tested all the time, and 971 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,640 Speaker 2: you got a guy just looking at your dick and 972 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:16,319 Speaker 2: like making sure that the watchers it's the worst. It's 973 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,480 Speaker 2: the worst. It doesn't get worse than that, like honestly, 974 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,440 Speaker 2: like that's one thing. 975 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,400 Speaker 1: I don't wish that on any man, to be a 976 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,960 Speaker 1: drug test got person. The way they stare at you 977 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,920 Speaker 1: like it's almost like they enjoyed it. It was weird. 978 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,640 Speaker 1: It was weird energy brom trying to say it was 979 00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:39,239 Speaker 1: so weird. And I did that bitch a lot. 980 00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:39,440 Speaker 2: Bro. 981 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 1: I was in there two times with it fail and 982 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,799 Speaker 1: I admitted I told on myself two times, like I 983 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,040 Speaker 1: got my and got my ship because we have to 984 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,640 Speaker 1: carry the drink around. Oh so you snitch on yourself, yeah, twice, 985 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,279 Speaker 1: but they got me out, so you know, you only 986 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,480 Speaker 1: get three strikes. Already had two, so I'm just like, fuck, 987 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,600 Speaker 1: but I made They were the homies, Cliff and Dirk Fellas. 988 00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,000 Speaker 2: I'm coming home, I'm coming home. 989 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:01,840 Speaker 1: You know, you got to have the drink. So we 990 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,120 Speaker 1: got we go to gen C and ask like, hey, what, 991 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,960 Speaker 1: you know what, what's the best way to flush weed? 992 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,680 Speaker 1: I was just up front with them, and you know 993 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,440 Speaker 1: me at the time of playing for the Lakers and 994 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,600 Speaker 1: some of the biggest teams are like, what the fuck, 995 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,120 Speaker 1: but what's the best what's that I'm about to get 996 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:15,799 Speaker 1: drug tested by the league. What's the best drink? And 997 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,839 Speaker 1: it was never on the shelves. There was always something 998 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,200 Speaker 1: let me always underneath the cabinet by the register. And 999 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,439 Speaker 1: I used to buy them ships by like the Costco boat. 1000 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,920 Speaker 1: But it was like a real job smoking because we 1001 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,040 Speaker 1: had to, you know, I had to sometimes I have 1002 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,200 Speaker 1: to do cardio after the game or steam room and 1003 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,279 Speaker 1: eat clean and just always sweat that ship out you 1004 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:35,520 Speaker 1: and then always have your drink. 1005 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 2: That's that's you know. Those that just brought me back. 1006 00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,680 Speaker 2: I'm getting like, I'm just like I'm sweating and stuff. 1007 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,280 Speaker 2: It was just it was it was fucking stressful. 1008 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,239 Speaker 1: Imagine just being able to smoke freely now. 1009 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:46,880 Speaker 2: Shout out to the guys. 1010 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 1: Man, shout out to the guys. 1011 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,400 Speaker 2: They living there, They let you, guys are living a 1012 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:52,959 Speaker 2: good life. 1013 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,880 Speaker 1: I heard there was a room or somewhere and not 1014 00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,600 Speaker 1: to cut you off. In Brooklyn, there was there was 1015 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,239 Speaker 1: like a smoking bus. I don't know if anyone can 1016 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,120 Speaker 1: confirm that in the in the comments if you ever 1017 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,040 Speaker 1: see this, but I heard, and I'm just like, I 1018 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,080 Speaker 1: can't imagine there was a smoking bus. 1019 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:09,719 Speaker 2: Shout out to the guys smoking good. Just know it 1020 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,920 Speaker 2: was tough that that high hit different when you know 1021 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,800 Speaker 2: that drug test come at any moment, man, So shout 1022 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,880 Speaker 2: out to you guys. You guys are living a good life. 1023 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,480 Speaker 2: It was a lot more stress stressful ten years ago. 1024 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, hell yeah. Ricky in Chicago, who are your vets? 1025 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,120 Speaker 1: Ninth pick by the Chicago Bulls? 1026 00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:32,319 Speaker 2: My my vets. I had Ben Wallace, OG, I had 1027 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,720 Speaker 2: O G. Ben Wallace who used to wear a headband 1028 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:35,279 Speaker 2: on his arm. 1029 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:37,759 Speaker 1: That's how big his arms were. 1030 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,680 Speaker 2: But that had been on his arm that we had. 1031 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,759 Speaker 2: Shout out. Then later on shout out to shout out 1032 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:47,440 Speaker 2: to Brad Miller. 1033 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,080 Speaker 1: That's we had it for all Star. 1034 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,279 Speaker 2: I know, I know you guys are cool, and I 1035 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,319 Speaker 2: want to give give Duck his flowers because you know, 1036 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 2: I wasn't a post up player. I didn't you know, 1037 00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,000 Speaker 2: I was an energy guy. But Duck, you know, Duck 1038 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,279 Speaker 2: was the type of guy who would come out the 1039 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,000 Speaker 2: game and put a dip in his mouth. You know, 1040 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,319 Speaker 2: like there's levels to this. This ship a dip in 1041 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,640 Speaker 2: your mouth during the game and still get buckets. 1042 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,480 Speaker 1: Hey, Brad had gang too. I don't think people give 1043 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,960 Speaker 1: him enough credit. Brad had gang. 1044 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,200 Speaker 2: A lot of games. Yeah, and you know it was 1045 00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,400 Speaker 2: for me. It was just I'll never forget it was 1046 00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,480 Speaker 2: after practice. I had a shitty practice. I didn't really 1047 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,120 Speaker 2: have a real role. I wasn't getting minutes like that. 1048 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,920 Speaker 2: He got his big dip in his mouth. I don't 1049 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,520 Speaker 2: understand half the shit he's saying. He's at the top 1050 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,279 Speaker 2: of the KINI He's like, Joe King, listen, you're never 1051 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,920 Speaker 2: going to be a post player. Doug, what are you 1052 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,680 Speaker 2: doing down there? He's like, just come up here, get 1053 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,759 Speaker 2: the ball at the elbow, dribble hand off if they 1054 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,600 Speaker 2: if they overplay, throw the back door pass. He's like, 1055 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,840 Speaker 2: it's going to open up your game. Just trust me. 1056 00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:58,839 Speaker 2: That changed my life. 1057 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,560 Speaker 1: That became that became your game. 1058 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,840 Speaker 2: It changed. It changed my life. You know, people like, okay, 1059 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,799 Speaker 2: you're retiring now. People forget that. People have that, They 1060 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,920 Speaker 2: forget yo. I had seasons where I had five dimes 1061 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,319 Speaker 2: a game, like, you know, I don't want to toot 1062 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:12,520 Speaker 2: my own horn. That's a lot of. 1063 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,280 Speaker 1: Fucking dimes, especially for a center. 1064 00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:20,280 Speaker 2: Thank you. And that all came from just a OG. 1065 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,520 Speaker 2: You know, it didn't come from a coach. It came 1066 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,239 Speaker 2: from a OG being there and taking the time with 1067 00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:31,839 Speaker 2: a young player and and really giving me, teaching me game. 1068 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,640 Speaker 2: So I want to give my og Brad Miller Flower 1069 00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:36,840 Speaker 2: v Rad. 1070 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, we had him in an All Star in Indiana. 1071 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,480 Speaker 1: It's my god, we smoked a lot of week I'm 1072 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:47,480 Speaker 1: sure you smoked a lot of weed together. Year two, 1073 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,560 Speaker 1: first playoffs since nine. You played the defending champs, the 1074 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:57,120 Speaker 1: Boston Celtics, Crazy game seven series, most overtime, most overtimes 1075 00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,720 Speaker 1: ever in the playoff series, rookie d Rose against Rondo 1076 00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,640 Speaker 1: Gordon KG was injured, but he was still talking shit 1077 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,239 Speaker 1: from the side. Yeah, what was that talk to me 1078 00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,400 Speaker 1: about that? That series and that energy around it. 1079 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,960 Speaker 2: Honestly, that series changed my whole career. You know, you 1080 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,680 Speaker 2: think that what you think you're doing something with the 1081 00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,480 Speaker 2: regular season and it's a long season. Guys are talking 1082 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,279 Speaker 2: about money, and guys are talking about what's next. When 1083 00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,240 Speaker 2: the playoffs hit, there's none of that ship like, it's 1084 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:29,440 Speaker 2: back to competition. That's ros's form to be able to 1085 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,200 Speaker 2: be in that position of being able to play against 1086 00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,200 Speaker 2: the defending champs who had a crazy Game one. I 1087 00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:40,480 Speaker 2: played well Game one. It just it's it's set the tone. 1088 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,759 Speaker 2: What Ben Gordon did that series. Shout out Ben Gordon like, 1089 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,600 Speaker 2: oh the ray Allen, Ben Gordon going at it. It 1090 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:53,480 Speaker 2: was me and me and Kendrick Perkins talking mad, mad shit. 1091 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,000 Speaker 2: You know, that series set the tone. I was like, 1092 00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:59,839 Speaker 2: I was like okay. After that, I was like, I'm 1093 00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:02,239 Speaker 2: in weight room every day in the summer. You know, 1094 00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,880 Speaker 2: I'm not playing around anymore. I want this feeling. I 1095 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,359 Speaker 2: want to win a championship. And you know this. That's 1096 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,480 Speaker 2: why when I see the young guys when they make 1097 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,239 Speaker 2: the playoffs, I know that's a good thing because they're 1098 00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:18,160 Speaker 2: going into it takes. They're going into that that off season. 1099 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,040 Speaker 1: Like oh yeah, a different point of view. 1100 00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:24,320 Speaker 2: It's a different perspective. Yeah. So yeah, that that series 1101 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,560 Speaker 2: was That series changed changed the whole career. 1102 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,000 Speaker 1: That's dope. When you look back on those Bulls teams, 1103 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,360 Speaker 1: you guys were at the top of the East a 1104 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,839 Speaker 1: lot of times, but there was that dude over there 1105 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,280 Speaker 1: in Cleveland and then Miami. 1106 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy. 1107 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,239 Speaker 1: You said some funny shit, then you say some shit 1108 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,040 Speaker 1: like who wants to No one's ever talked about going 1109 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:50,040 Speaker 1: on vacation in Cleveland. Do you regret anything that you 1110 00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,080 Speaker 1: said about Cleveland? 1111 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:55,480 Speaker 2: You like it. 1112 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:56,919 Speaker 1: You think Cleveland's cool. 1113 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,040 Speaker 2: I mean I never heard anybody say I'm going to 1114 00:55:59,040 --> 00:55:59,920 Speaker 2: Cleveland on vacation. 1115 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,800 Speaker 1: Hm, what's so good about Cleveland? 1116 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:09,640 Speaker 2: I was pissed. 1117 00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,920 Speaker 1: Well, oh shit talked to us about some of those battles. 1118 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,640 Speaker 2: The toughest thing about that one was that was after 1119 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,319 Speaker 2: I think game one game Yeah, that was after game one. 1120 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,120 Speaker 2: So you say that about Cleveland, you still got to 1121 00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,319 Speaker 2: play in Cleveland the next day, so you can't imagine 1122 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,640 Speaker 2: how real. And you got Shock in there, you gotta 1123 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,000 Speaker 2: I was, you know, I'm going ahead to head with Shack. 1124 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,520 Speaker 2: Thank god it was older Shack. When you when you're 1125 00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,359 Speaker 2: playing for a championship, you got you gotta go through 1126 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:45,040 Speaker 2: the best. And Lebron James was the best. And sometimes 1127 00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,840 Speaker 2: during you know, you could see how my heart was 1128 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,480 Speaker 2: in it a two thousand percent, like there was no faking, 1129 00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,960 Speaker 2: and Lebron was so talented and so good. Sometimes I 1130 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,239 Speaker 2: felt like it was you know, he would get he 1131 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:03,520 Speaker 2: would start dance, and it was just like it, it's 1132 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,239 Speaker 2: me off, you know what I'm saying, Like I'm trying 1133 00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:11,200 Speaker 2: to win. It never happened. I'm still processing, you know, 1134 00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,600 Speaker 2: you know, like yeah, we're competitors. Man, at the end 1135 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,720 Speaker 2: of the day, this is the business of competition. And 1136 00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,240 Speaker 2: you know, people still talk to me about the Cleveland 1137 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,560 Speaker 2: thing and they think it's funny. But I think there 1138 00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,800 Speaker 2: was a lot of hurt. But it was real hurt, 1139 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,960 Speaker 2: Like you know what, like, yeah, you beat us, you know, 1140 00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:39,080 Speaker 2: so it's like fuck you and your whole city. You know, 1141 00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,760 Speaker 2: Like that's basically what it was. And it look, I'm 1142 00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,800 Speaker 2: saying that in the most respectful way. Like I'm saying 1143 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,280 Speaker 2: in the most respectful way. You got to give the 1144 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,200 Speaker 2: guys flowers. The guys all time great, greatest I've ever 1145 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,400 Speaker 2: played against. I'm always going to shout out Michael Jordan, 1146 00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,120 Speaker 2: but you know, you get to play with your son 1147 00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,200 Speaker 2: this year. You know, I get got to give Brin 1148 00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,520 Speaker 2: his flowers. Absolutely respect to him. That's what's up. 1149 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,520 Speaker 1: I heard you got a good story about Stack talking 1150 00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:08,439 Speaker 1: crazy to the rest. 1151 00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:13,680 Speaker 2: Oh man, you're gonna like this one. It was I 1152 00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,880 Speaker 2: think it was my second year in the league, and 1153 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,720 Speaker 2: it was early and you know, we're at the free 1154 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:24,000 Speaker 2: throw line. The game was done. Bulls win free throws 1155 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:31,160 Speaker 2: the end of the game, and Catfish Tony Brothers. But 1156 00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,320 Speaker 2: I called him Catfish because he looked like a cat fish. 1157 00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:40,800 Speaker 2: Simple he started talking it with like a pit bull. 1158 00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:41,680 Speaker 1: We'll go ahead. 1159 00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,760 Speaker 2: Anyway, his whole career we called him catfish, so shout 1160 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,120 Speaker 2: out to Catfish. But he started him and Stack start 1161 00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,560 Speaker 2: like talking ship. But you know, Tony liked to talk. 1162 00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,480 Speaker 2: He used to like to talk shit. But he'll still 1163 00:58:55,520 --> 00:59:00,520 Speaker 2: give you a tech type type of guy. But Stack 1164 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,800 Speaker 2: was just I guess he got Stack on a bad 1165 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:10,280 Speaker 2: day and normal one and Stack went in talking about 1166 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,040 Speaker 2: how much more money he had that it was just 1167 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,680 Speaker 2: like he violated him so crazy. I was like, oh 1168 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,720 Speaker 2: my god, I never saw a ref get violated the 1169 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:24,480 Speaker 2: way that Stack did Catfish. So if Stack, I just 1170 00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,280 Speaker 2: want you to know, at that moment right there, it 1171 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,840 Speaker 2: was shocking. This is twenty years ago. I'm still shocked 1172 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:35,280 Speaker 2: about what you did. You didn't have to do like that. 1173 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:41,400 Speaker 1: Oh shit, he said the way he did Catfish. Oh shit, 1174 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:46,120 Speaker 1: current NBA Nicks, you got your old coach TIBs over there. 1175 00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,760 Speaker 1: They just made the trade for Julius Randall and Karl 1176 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,959 Speaker 1: Anthony town. Steven Chando was in that trade as well. 1177 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,120 Speaker 1: Thoughts on the Knicks and and and TIBs and with 1178 00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,720 Speaker 1: what should what should we expect for them this year. 1179 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I think they're up there. You know, obviously 1180 01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,800 Speaker 2: when the Knicks are good, it's a whole other thing. 1181 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,240 Speaker 2: You know. It's like, probably my biggest regret is just 1182 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,320 Speaker 2: not being able to get a chance in the Garden 1183 01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,480 Speaker 2: in the you know, nothing better. So but I'm from 1184 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,200 Speaker 2: New York, so I see the energy around and how 1185 01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:24,640 Speaker 2: excited people are about their team. You know, it's tough 1186 01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,000 Speaker 2: to see Julius Randa leaf because he was a real 1187 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,520 Speaker 2: dog out there. I just love what the energy that 1188 01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,280 Speaker 2: he brought, the way he played. 1189 01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,080 Speaker 1: And he was one of kind of the first All 1190 01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,320 Speaker 1: Star to come to New York in a minute, you 1191 01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,720 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Sure, So yeah, definitely shout out 1192 01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:39,880 Speaker 1: to Julius. 1193 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:44,040 Speaker 2: Shout out to Julius, and then just just Jalen Brunson. Though. 1194 01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:49,280 Speaker 2: It's like the stability, the stability that he brought to 1195 01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,040 Speaker 2: not just the organization but to the whole city. It 1196 01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,200 Speaker 2: was like calm everybody, calmed down. It I got this. 1197 01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,919 Speaker 2: We're going to play at my pace like nobody's gonna 1198 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,320 Speaker 2: rush me. And I think, you know, you go to 1199 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,880 Speaker 2: the Garden now and it's just like, you know, they're 1200 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,760 Speaker 2: playing at his pace and Tricky Ricky has shout out 1201 01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,840 Speaker 2: to his pops, you know who was you know, one 1202 01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,920 Speaker 2: of the assistant coaches with Tims with the Bulls. He 1203 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,560 Speaker 2: was my guy. And just to see him and just 1204 01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,160 Speaker 2: see the pride that he gets to watch his son 1205 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,400 Speaker 2: play on the biggest stage. I mean, he's walking around there. 1206 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,240 Speaker 2: He's walking around there like his shit don't stink. 1207 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,280 Speaker 1: Hard to tell me. It's hard to tell him right now, 1208 01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:31,040 Speaker 1: I already know already shout out to the Brunson's nothing 1209 01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,720 Speaker 1: but love for them, and you know they got a 1210 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,640 Speaker 1: real shot to win the chip this year. Your tenure 1211 01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,560 Speaker 1: with the Knicks didn't go as great as you planned. 1212 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,760 Speaker 1: And I heard when you went back for the first 1213 01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,400 Speaker 1: time a few years ago, you're a little nervous. But 1214 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,080 Speaker 1: how was what happened on your way out of New 1215 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,080 Speaker 1: York And how was it going back for the first time. 1216 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,160 Speaker 2: Well, you know, last time I got to be a 1217 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,080 Speaker 2: part of the organization. The last time I was with 1218 01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,840 Speaker 2: the Knicks, I got in a fight with the coach 1219 01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:05,000 Speaker 2: with horna scheck, you know, argument or hands, argument close, 1220 01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,800 Speaker 2: got close, Yeah, I mean it got really close. 1221 01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,920 Speaker 1: And Doc Rivers almost had one of those you know, it's. 1222 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,080 Speaker 2: Not a good feeling to be in that position because 1223 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,960 Speaker 2: you know, you just don't know if you're ever going 1224 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,680 Speaker 2: to get to play. You know, you had the height 1225 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,000 Speaker 2: of your you know. I mean, look, I wasn't but 1226 01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,520 Speaker 2: could still throw it all away. But you see, like 1227 01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,439 Speaker 2: this could be over. You know, I had to come 1228 01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,720 Speaker 2: back from you could you fight a coach like you 1229 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,640 Speaker 2: might not come back. It's just the reality of the thing. 1230 01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:36,880 Speaker 2: And it was a really tough moment. And you know, 1231 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,880 Speaker 2: I didn't get to play, and I didn't know how 1232 01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,440 Speaker 2: it was. You know, I could if I could just 1233 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,240 Speaker 2: like even go to the garden and just enjoy a game, 1234 01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,520 Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to take away from from 1235 01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:52,080 Speaker 2: the guys or and it was just it was a 1236 01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:53,800 Speaker 2: real blessing to be able to go there. You know, 1237 01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:55,840 Speaker 2: I've been going there since I was a kid, right, 1238 01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,960 Speaker 2: so I grew up in Knicks fan and they showed love. 1239 01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,600 Speaker 2: Though they showed love. It was nice, man, It was 1240 01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,360 Speaker 2: nice to be back in there. Yeah, shout out to 1241 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:05,880 Speaker 2: the Knicks. 1242 01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,320 Speaker 1: How when you were there in your tenure, you know, 1243 01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,720 Speaker 1: obviously I think the front office has kind of cleaned 1244 01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,880 Speaker 1: up and they're definitely on the right track. Now, how 1245 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,080 Speaker 1: dysfunctional you were coming from a solid situation in Chicago. 1246 01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,520 Speaker 1: How dysfunctional was the front office at the time, and 1247 01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:22,720 Speaker 1: just kind of the moves and the coaching situations. How 1248 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:23,680 Speaker 1: was that while you were there? 1249 01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,680 Speaker 2: You know, I wouldn't even blame it on the coaches. 1250 01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,640 Speaker 2: I think it was just everybody. I actually loved the guys. 1251 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,480 Speaker 2: We had a great team of like great group of guys. 1252 01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:35,880 Speaker 2: We just we just weren't good, you know, so plain 1253 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:40,440 Speaker 2: and simple. Uh, it was that it was injuries. Uh, 1254 01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:44,360 Speaker 2: it was. I wouldn't even only put it on the 1255 01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,360 Speaker 2: front I wouldn't put it on the front office. It 1256 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,120 Speaker 2: was just you know, when you're playing, when you play 1257 01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,080 Speaker 2: New York and things are good, New York is the microscope. 1258 01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,760 Speaker 2: When it's good, it's great. But when you're on that 1259 01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:59,760 Speaker 2: microscope and you sucked, it's nasty out there. So I 1260 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:05,280 Speaker 2: got to live that. It's unfortunate, but that's what happened. 1261 01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,880 Speaker 1: That's part of life. You said you wanted to be 1262 01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:10,840 Speaker 1: a little bit of Lottie in a little bit of 1263 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:15,640 Speaker 1: the Kimbe. That's kind of from a defensive standpoint, great 1264 01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,480 Speaker 1: Lotti from ahead of the curve where the game kind 1265 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,480 Speaker 1: of is now where bigger players are making plays with 1266 01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,440 Speaker 1: the ball. As we mentioned earlier, you had a couple 1267 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,600 Speaker 1: of season where you're at five assists. What was it 1268 01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,520 Speaker 1: like kind of being one of those guys that you know, 1269 01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,120 Speaker 1: we're in the in the in the transition of big 1270 01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,640 Speaker 1: is being able to pass the ball and make plays 1271 01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,000 Speaker 1: instead of just being on the block. 1272 01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,000 Speaker 2: Well, it's also having a coach that believes in you. 1273 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:43,560 Speaker 2: You know, as crazy as as Tibbs was, you have 1274 01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:47,000 Speaker 2: to understand, like the year that he came to Chicago's 1275 01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,520 Speaker 2: was his first year as a head coach, so it 1276 01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:50,880 Speaker 2: was his first time really. 1277 01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,800 Speaker 1: Getting coming off the bench from Boston. 1278 01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,640 Speaker 2: Coming off the championship run in Boston, and he was 1279 01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,840 Speaker 2: the defensive guy, so now he had he had the keys. 1280 01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,840 Speaker 2: It was my contract year. So TIB's whole thing was, 1281 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,080 Speaker 2: you know, if you want this contract, you know you 1282 01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,440 Speaker 2: got it. You're not going anywhere this summer. You're working 1283 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,240 Speaker 2: out with me. So if you know there's not a 1284 01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:17,080 Speaker 2: lot of head coaches that work out there, guys, Tibbs 1285 01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,000 Speaker 2: was that guy. He was working you out, he was 1286 01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:23,000 Speaker 2: making sure you're doing runs. Was it too much? Absolutely? 1287 01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,440 Speaker 2: Was he wildent? Yes? He was. But you know what 1288 01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,280 Speaker 2: one thing about Tibbs is it was going to be 1289 01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,400 Speaker 2: organized and you were going to come prepare it. And 1290 01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,080 Speaker 2: you know what, when the game, when shit gets real, 1291 01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,280 Speaker 2: that's all you want from your coach. And you look, 1292 01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,960 Speaker 2: when who got hurt is when I really had an 1293 01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,840 Speaker 2: opportunity to have the ball in my hands and be 1294 01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:51,560 Speaker 2: able to make plays. And Tibbs gave me that opportunity. 1295 01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:57,480 Speaker 1: Twenty fourteen Defensive Player of the Year, Your man Matumbo 1296 01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:01,400 Speaker 1: actually presents you with the award? What is that mean 1297 01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:01,720 Speaker 1: to you? 1298 01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,320 Speaker 2: It was? It was bittersweet because I lost my mentor, 1299 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,680 Speaker 2: I lost my childhood coach a couple of days before. 1300 01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,800 Speaker 2: So I was just I was mourning. I didn't you know, 1301 01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,840 Speaker 2: it was tough to be able to block that one 1302 01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,040 Speaker 2: up that was like a father figure to me. And 1303 01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,400 Speaker 2: the Kembe came in. I had no idea that he 1304 01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,160 Speaker 2: was going to present me with the award, and it 1305 01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,080 Speaker 2: just it just gave me a little bit of peace 1306 01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:35,640 Speaker 2: of mind in that in that tough moment. And like 1307 01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,040 Speaker 2: I said, man, the Kembe had the biggest heart, you know, 1308 01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,520 Speaker 2: and he touched on He touched on a lot of people, 1309 01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:45,200 Speaker 2: a lot of people around the world are giving him 1310 01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:49,480 Speaker 2: his flowers and condolences to his family, but we really 1311 01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:55,120 Speaker 2: lost a giant among giants. And for him to be 1312 01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,280 Speaker 2: the person who gave me my award, you know, at 1313 01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:02,320 Speaker 2: the height of my thing, Like, you know, I couldn't 1314 01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:06,040 Speaker 2: be more proud to have him be that guy special 1315 01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:07,640 Speaker 2: moment to share with them special moments. 1316 01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,080 Speaker 1: Foundation in Chicago curbing gun violence. Talk to us a 1317 01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:12,320 Speaker 1: little bit about that and what that is. 1318 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:16,000 Speaker 2: So, you know, I just having played in Chicago for 1319 01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,640 Speaker 2: ten years, those were the best moments of my career, 1320 01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:22,200 Speaker 2: and you know, I always wanted to do something in 1321 01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,320 Speaker 2: the community and give back. I think that I was 1322 01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,439 Speaker 2: raised that way. You know, my father was that way, 1323 01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,040 Speaker 2: and you know I started a foundation with my mother 1324 01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:35,840 Speaker 2: where we started a basketball league called One City shout 1325 01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,640 Speaker 2: out to Kobe Williams, who you know works for Cure 1326 01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:43,080 Speaker 2: of Violence, and brought in all these guys from around 1327 01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:47,000 Speaker 2: the city, different groups, and we have twenty eight violence 1328 01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:51,560 Speaker 2: prevention groups playing basketball against each other on Saturdays, sages 1329 01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,000 Speaker 2: sixteen to twenty five. Okay, so we have the guys 1330 01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,040 Speaker 2: we were able. After my career, I went to go 1331 01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:03,160 Speaker 2: see the governor and you know, I told him like, look, 1332 01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,680 Speaker 2: I've been I've been investing a lot of my own money, 1333 01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:09,280 Speaker 2: you know, through my sponsors and all this in your city. 1334 01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,200 Speaker 2: You know, can you can you help me build this league? 1335 01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,720 Speaker 2: So he gave me some money, and you know we're 1336 01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:20,320 Speaker 2: able to pay our participants. We use the basketball and 1337 01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,679 Speaker 2: the money as the hook to bring him in the gym. 1338 01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,200 Speaker 2: And you know, these are guys who might be going 1339 01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,840 Speaker 2: going at it in the streets, but now you've got 1340 01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,240 Speaker 2: to see each other every Saturday. We got the worst 1341 01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:36,040 Speaker 2: workshops going. We got uh job education, certain jobs. So 1342 01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:39,200 Speaker 2: it's like it's moving step by step and I'm really 1343 01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,120 Speaker 2: proud of the league that we're building. We got four 1344 01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:44,120 Speaker 2: hundred participants and you know, we just want to keep growing. 1345 01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,280 Speaker 1: So he said something about t A getting involved. 1346 01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:52,200 Speaker 2: Shout out to TA. He's our commissioner, commissioner one city. 1347 01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,960 Speaker 2: Don't get it twisted. We got Tony Allen. And when 1348 01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,400 Speaker 2: Tony talks to the kids, man, it just hits difference 1349 01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,760 Speaker 2: because he's he grew up in that. So to have 1350 01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,200 Speaker 2: Tony involved and it just shows a lot about who 1351 01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,040 Speaker 2: he is too. You know, it's not this is not 1352 01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:11,439 Speaker 2: Joe Keem's thing. This is this is our thing. He's 1353 01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,519 Speaker 2: the commissioner. We make decisions together. We want to get 1354 01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:18,360 Speaker 2: one in Memphis asap. And you know, I couldn't be 1355 01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:22,280 Speaker 2: more proud. You know, obviously, like we met through, you know, 1356 01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,840 Speaker 2: we built, we build our relationship through because we were 1357 01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,479 Speaker 2: going at it in that Boston series and to be 1358 01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,320 Speaker 2: able to like work together now so dope, you know. 1359 01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,800 Speaker 2: So shout out to Tony Allen, the commissioner of One City. 1360 01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,639 Speaker 1: To Yay, to yay. I'm gonna tell you some power forwards. 1361 01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:38,559 Speaker 1: Give me a couple of words on each of them. 1362 01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,960 Speaker 2: Dirk Nowitzky too easy. It's too easy. It's too easy 1363 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,280 Speaker 2: for him. You know. I saw him last year. I 1364 01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,160 Speaker 2: have a funny. He was like he couldn't he could 1365 01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,840 Speaker 2: barely wh he couldn't walk. He's like, man, I'm like, 1366 01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:52,639 Speaker 2: what's wrong? 1367 01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:52,880 Speaker 1: Bro? 1368 01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,320 Speaker 2: He goes, man, I should have never played that last 1369 01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,400 Speaker 2: That last year fucked me up. And he was like 1370 01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,560 Speaker 2: it was twenty and I was like, damn. He's like, 1371 01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,040 Speaker 2: how many years did you play? I was like, yeah, 1372 01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:07,200 Speaker 2: I played thirteen, but it was really twelve. And he's 1373 01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,320 Speaker 2: like the way you played basketball and the way I 1374 01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:13,280 Speaker 2: played basketball, it's different sport. Yeah, different sport. 1375 01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:15,679 Speaker 1: He was special. 1376 01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:21,120 Speaker 2: Kevin Garnett KG dog Dog talked a lot of shit, 1377 01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:27,160 Speaker 2: but I think that just the intensity of the game 1378 01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,960 Speaker 2: was always better when he was when he was on 1379 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:32,120 Speaker 2: the court. 1380 01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:33,360 Speaker 1: Tim Duncan. 1381 01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:40,720 Speaker 2: The big, fun fundamentals, quiet but competitive as hell too. 1382 01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,920 Speaker 2: You could just tell he's just somebody who just he 1383 01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:48,400 Speaker 2: wasn't drinking after the game, he wasn't partying, he wasn't 1384 01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:50,920 Speaker 2: you know, smoking mad doobies. That you could just tell 1385 01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,880 Speaker 2: he was just he was somebody. It was probably easy 1386 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,360 Speaker 2: for him to go to sleep at eleven after the game. 1387 01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:56,600 Speaker 2: You know. 1388 01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,960 Speaker 1: That's what I think was one of those special ones. 1389 01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:01,160 Speaker 2: He was one of those. 1390 01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:03,000 Speaker 1: Anthony Davis. 1391 01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:08,479 Speaker 2: Anthony Davis just just all around talent. I mean he 1392 01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:16,000 Speaker 2: really has the full, full, full game. You know, handles shot, 1393 01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,599 Speaker 2: you know he can he can win just with his defense, 1394 01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,920 Speaker 2: but he can also get buckets. I mean, he can 1395 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:21,599 Speaker 2: really do it all. 1396 01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,040 Speaker 1: Give me five guys. You think you've seen that had 1397 01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:25,320 Speaker 1: an unorthodox jumper. 1398 01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:30,599 Speaker 2: New Bull had a weird jumper. The Ken Bay wasn't. 1399 01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:35,439 Speaker 2: It wasn't the prettiest. Give me some Sewn Marion, Sean Marion. 1400 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,280 Speaker 2: Shout out to Sean Marion, but I mean he got 1401 01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:38,840 Speaker 2: it done though. 1402 01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,760 Speaker 1: You know Reggie Miller wasn't pretty. 1403 01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,519 Speaker 2: Oh Reggie's pretty enough, Like we're not gonna, we can't, 1404 01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:47,960 Speaker 2: we can't put him in like the ugliest jumpers not 1405 01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:48,599 Speaker 2: come on. 1406 01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,360 Speaker 1: Michael kid Gil Chris. 1407 01:11:52,400 --> 01:12:03,200 Speaker 2: It was crazy. That was crazy. That was crazy, Ken 1408 01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:08,599 Speaker 2: Karen Martin and he was nice, was wet and three. 1409 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,640 Speaker 2: We're not saying yeah, but you know what, there was 1410 01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:17,320 Speaker 2: something about like having an ugly jumper that was so 1411 01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:21,160 Speaker 2: demoralized if it goes when it goes in and you 1412 01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,759 Speaker 2: look at the bench on the other team and they're like, oh, 1413 01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:25,320 Speaker 2: like fuck. 1414 01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:32,240 Speaker 1: You shoot him down. Ship that's best food spot in 1415 01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:32,679 Speaker 1: New York. 1416 01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:34,920 Speaker 2: I'm a big Chinese food guy. 1417 01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:38,519 Speaker 1: Okay, give us a spot. We West, we West, we West, 1418 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,400 Speaker 1: uh Downtown. 1419 01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:43,240 Speaker 2: Downtown we West? Come on, you can't we West top? 1420 01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:45,519 Speaker 2: What big general child chicken guy. 1421 01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:50,160 Speaker 1: One album you could listen to front to back with 1422 01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:51,400 Speaker 1: no skips. 1423 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:59,200 Speaker 2: Illmatic, Illmatic, and then give Bob his flowers to survive. 1424 01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,960 Speaker 2: We Catch a Fire, all the Bob albums you don't 1425 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:03,759 Speaker 2: even have to skip. 1426 01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:10,160 Speaker 1: You plus five for a good dinner in a smoke session, 1427 01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:11,320 Speaker 1: dead or alive. 1428 01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:17,439 Speaker 2: Five people We're gonna start with Bob. You know the gong, 1429 01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,920 Speaker 2: thinking of the gong, you know, for sure give give 1430 01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:27,559 Speaker 2: Bob Marley. Uh, he's number one, for sure, number two. 1431 01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,519 Speaker 2: I would put Pack in there. I'd love to hear 1432 01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,280 Speaker 2: his stories. I'm sure he would have a lot to 1433 01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,680 Speaker 2: say with all his bullshit that's going on right now. 1434 01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:36,599 Speaker 1: Talk to him. 1435 01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:41,879 Speaker 2: This African revolutionary, he was the president of Brekin Fesso 1436 01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:49,320 Speaker 2: told my son Cara, putting him up, yeah, I would 1437 01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:56,160 Speaker 2: put him two more. I would put Madiba Nelson Mandela 1438 01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,720 Speaker 2: up there. I would love to hear what he has to. 1439 01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:01,679 Speaker 1: Say, especially with a little tree in him. 1440 01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:08,759 Speaker 2: That would be crazy. And then King Selassie not familiar, 1441 01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:14,479 Speaker 2: king of kings, you know, write that name down, King 1442 01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,960 Speaker 2: King Selassie I ethiop the king of king. When Marcus 1443 01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,800 Speaker 2: Garvey said that somebody will come in from the east, 1444 01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,240 Speaker 2: the king will rise from the east. This is what 1445 01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:27,599 Speaker 2: the all the rosters know, you know. And then Marcus 1446 01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,759 Speaker 2: Garvey did the prophecy, he said the prophecy, and then 1447 01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:35,439 Speaker 2: we got Selassie. He's the only Ethiopia is the only 1448 01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:41,400 Speaker 2: country that never got that never got conquered. Ethiopia. He's 1449 01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:45,519 Speaker 2: the king of the King of Kings, King Selassie. Yeah, 1450 01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:46,960 Speaker 2: that's my five. 1451 01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,559 Speaker 1: That's dope. Have you ever pop smoke? If you're a 1452 01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:51,479 Speaker 1: smoke with j Pops. 1453 01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,760 Speaker 2: He's not a smoker. Unfortunately. He's a big dream. He's 1454 01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:59,160 Speaker 2: a drink guy. He's a drink guy. But yeah, I mean, 1455 01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,400 Speaker 2: you know he he all he fought for it. So 1456 01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:03,920 Speaker 2: Pops was like fighting for the guys who was getting 1457 01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:07,760 Speaker 2: in trouble, especially in France. It just wasn't his thing. 1458 01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:09,200 Speaker 2: I'm like, Dad, you don't even smoke, Like, why are 1459 01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:13,200 Speaker 2: you always talking about weed on TV and stuff? But 1460 01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:16,200 Speaker 2: he always he was for the people. He was for us. 1461 01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:17,800 Speaker 2: So shout out to Pops man. 1462 01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:23,800 Speaker 1: Last question. One guess on all the smoke, but you 1463 01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:25,720 Speaker 1: got to help us get on. And there's only been 1464 01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:27,519 Speaker 1: outside of you. There's been one other person I've been 1465 01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,639 Speaker 1: chasing and he's your homie. And I'm not asking even 1466 01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,639 Speaker 1: big just put it in here, just like man, I fuck. 1467 01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:33,840 Speaker 1: I went through his career, he got a bunch of weight, 1468 01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,799 Speaker 1: we smoked and then he got me off the seattle. 1469 01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:38,880 Speaker 2: He's a cool dude. You should go fuck with him 1470 01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:40,840 Speaker 2: that you don't even have to say who it is. 1471 01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:45,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do my best. Comes to la a lot, 1472 01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:49,599 Speaker 2: but he's definitely yeah, you know he's I will say 1473 01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:54,080 Speaker 2: this being around him was one of the biggest blessings 1474 01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:57,920 Speaker 2: of my career. As great as he was as a Hooper, 1475 01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:02,160 Speaker 2: he's an even better Humanston And you know, big shout 1476 01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:06,040 Speaker 2: out to Pool. You deserve all your flowers, and you know, 1477 01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:08,240 Speaker 2: the next step in your career, the next step in 1478 01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:10,840 Speaker 2: your life is going to be even bigger because there's 1479 01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,240 Speaker 2: so much more than just a Hooper. 1480 01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,160 Speaker 1: Hell of a run, bro. Yeah, man, that's a wrap. Man. 1481 01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:17,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate your time. It was really a pleasure, Bro, 1482 01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:18,680 Speaker 1: to get a chance to get to know you on 1483 01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:20,479 Speaker 1: a deeper level. Man here, but like we said, we 1484 01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:22,800 Speaker 1: got our official coffee table books. I want to give 1485 01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:23,160 Speaker 1: you this. 1486 01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:24,840 Speaker 2: Oh man, that's what's up man. 1487 01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,200 Speaker 1: We also got some merk from my guy Ray. 1488 01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:30,720 Speaker 2: We got you. 1489 01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:33,840 Speaker 1: Okay, so this is some of New York. So I'm 1490 01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:35,840 Speaker 1: gonna show off your merk. So it's just some of 1491 01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,519 Speaker 1: this is some hats you give away or rock and 1492 01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,400 Speaker 1: then we're going to New York next week. Okay, the 1493 01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:46,880 Speaker 1: official New York hat. New York wants all the smoke. Yeah, 1494 01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,200 Speaker 1: got you all the hell yeah with it. 1495 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,760 Speaker 2: This is the best one right here, this ship right here, 1496 01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:55,679 Speaker 2: Look at this man. 1497 01:16:56,400 --> 01:17:01,680 Speaker 1: We got your Chicago tour shirt. He's in you all 1498 01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,800 Speaker 1: the O. You think he's in New York. I don't 1499 01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:08,280 Speaker 1: means this. Come on, man, come on man, what we 1500 01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:11,240 Speaker 1: got oh ship? New York wants all the smoke? 1501 01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:12,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1502 01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we got you laced with some gear, a 1503 01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:19,240 Speaker 1: couple of different colors and sizes. Oh more, bro, here 1504 01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:20,360 Speaker 1: you go you guys lights bro. 1505 01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:25,240 Speaker 2: Oh man, come shining. Bro. We can't we can't leave 1506 01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,640 Speaker 2: you over. This is like the book is amazing, but 1507 01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,680 Speaker 2: the lighters, bro, like come on, like yo, tell yeahre 1508 01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:33,599 Speaker 2: appreciate your respect, bro. 1509 01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:38,000 Speaker 1: Thank you man. That's the rack New York seven board 1510 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,960 Speaker 1: because you and l D member kill Larry. 1511 01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:41,679 Speaker 2: John Drin. 1512 01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:47,400 Speaker 1: Let's go ask where we should go and y'all flooded it. Man, 1513 01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:48,800 Speaker 1: So we appreciate the love. 1514 01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,639 Speaker 2: It's like that, y'all coming out and showing us love. 1515 01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:55,360 Speaker 1: We appreciate y'all were calling on all our fans for 1516 01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,160 Speaker 1: this one. Jack, This is special man. Over five years 1517 01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:00,360 Speaker 1: of working two hundred episodes. 1518 01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,840 Speaker 3: Releasing October eighth, is the All the Smoke Coffee table 1519 01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,479 Speaker 3: book been working hard on it. We're super excited. We 1520 01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,280 Speaker 3: used guys to see it. 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Years now, so we can run up 1531 01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,479 Speaker 1: on that best sellers list. Man, we need you guys 1532 01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:34,880 Speaker 1: to help. Man, we ain't asked too many favors, were 1533 01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,519 Speaker 1: asking it for a favor now, Man, Perfect Holiday Book, 1534 01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:41,040 Speaker 1: Birthday Book, Coffee table Book, Dennis Book, Jim Book. Put 1535 01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,240 Speaker 1: that book anywhere. Man, it's versus Till All the Smoke 1536 01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,320 Speaker 1: Coffee Table Book. So go get your book now. It's 1537 01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,519 Speaker 1: available on Amazon or in the link in our bio