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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Horrible Howie, that's Howard Ruben, millionaire money manager, accused of

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Speaker 2: luring then attacking women in his specially made sound proof

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Speaker 2: dungeon in his.

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Speaker 1: Multimillion dollar penthouse.

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Speaker 2: According to police, Wow, luring women into a sound proof dungeon,

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Speaker 2: even tying them up, cuffing them to across across the

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Speaker 2: Holy Cross that Cross, torturing them with an electric cattle prod.

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Speaker 1: What can I.

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Speaker 2: Get on that jury? Can I get on that jury?

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Speaker 2: See Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Former financier Howard Rubin, once a powerful figure in the

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Speaker 3: world of finance, is now facing explosive charges for allegedly

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Speaker 3: running a sex trafficking operation spanning more than a decade.

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Speaker 2: Howard Ruben, multi millionaire financier, A money manager.

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Speaker 1: That's what he's called a money manager.

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Speaker 2: He manages other people's money, much like Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 2: who apparently brought in, you know, a couple of million dollars,

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Speaker 2: but somehow was transferring out five hundred million dollars to

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Speaker 2: overseas accounts, including Russian banks that were on the US

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Speaker 2: watch list. What is it with these money managers. And

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Speaker 2: how does this guy, not Epstein, but Ruben allegedly loure women,

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Speaker 2: educated women into his sex dungeon that he personally had

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Speaker 2: sound proofed. Okay, right there, right there, I need a shrink.

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Speaker 2: Right now, let's go straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst,

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Speaker 2: joining us out of la She's the author of deal Breaker.

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Speaker 2: You can see her now on peacock and find her

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Speaker 2: a doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Right there, a soundproof dungeon.

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Speaker 2: I mean, when an artisan a worker gets to call

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Speaker 2: from a dude that wants a sound proof dungeon and

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Speaker 2: you go in there and you see it's a torture chamber,

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Speaker 2: doesn't that like wave a red flag of alarm? What

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Speaker 2: freak wants a sound proof torture dungeon?

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Speaker 4: A freak who has sexual sadism disorder in other words,

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Speaker 4: somebody who can only get sexually aroused when the victim

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Speaker 4: is humiliated, frightened, or terrified. And Nancy, maybe this is

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Speaker 4: why he's a financial planner.

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Speaker 5: Maybe he needed to make a lot of money so

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Speaker 5: he could build that dungeon and buy all of that equipment.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's just take it from the top.

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Speaker 6: Listen to this Wall Street money manager Howard Rubin busted

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Speaker 6: by FEDS at his Fairfield, Connectic get home for decade

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Speaker 6: long sex trafficking with the help of assistant Jennifer Powers.

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Speaker 6: Howie Rubin accused of luring women into BDSM sex sessions,

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Speaker 6: then torturing and raping them. Ten Jane Doees listed as

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Speaker 6: victims in the indictment, but prosecutors say there are dozens

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Speaker 6: more and are calling for tips.

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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now, Straight out to Megan Palin,

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Speaker 2: senior journalist from the New York Post who has been

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Speaker 2: all over this, I mean really now, everybody here in

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Speaker 2: the studio is piping up that it only costs five

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars to soundproof a dungeon.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where they have that knowledge, but that said,

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Speaker 1: this guy, I wouldn't call him just a money.

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Speaker 2: Manager, would you, because he's he's millions and.

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Speaker 1: Millions of dollars.

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Speaker 2: I don't mean one or two million dollars, I mean

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Speaker 2: multi millions of dollars. And this has been going on

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Speaker 2: for a long time. Why has it just been uncovered?

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Speaker 2: But let's just start at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Who is this guy, Howard Ruben.

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Speaker 7: He grew up in Massachusetts. He's got a chemical engineering degree.

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Speaker 7: He was very successful on Wall Street once he moved in,

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Speaker 7: originally as a bond trader and then kind of climbed

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Speaker 7: his way up through the ranks from there and ended

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Speaker 7: up becoming so successful at least financially. And he moved

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Speaker 7: around in troppy philanthropic circles. He was well known for donating.

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Speaker 2: Wait her, put her up, Megan Palin, you just said

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Speaker 2: he quote moved around in philanthropic circles.

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Speaker 1: You mean he was a benefactor.

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Speaker 2: He gave a lot of money away, and everybody thinks, oh,

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Speaker 2: Howard Rubens, this great guy that cares about the needy

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Speaker 2: b s. According to police Megan, he is strapping women

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Speaker 2: to the.

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Speaker 1: Holy Cross, you know, and.

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Speaker 2: I feel about that and other apparatus and then electrocuting

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Speaker 2: them in their genitals with an electric cattle prad. Let's say,

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Speaker 2: that's what gets my attention, not his fate philanthropy, of course.

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Speaker 1: And absolutely it's what he was known for.

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Speaker 7: Prior to while he was obviously hiding or it was

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Speaker 7: a well kept secret in terms of publicly this extremely sadistic, dark,

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Speaker 7: horrid side of himself, which is now. I mean the

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Speaker 7: claims first came out about ten years ago, so he

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Speaker 7: has been known for these things for some time now.

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Speaker 1: But this is sort of very way wait wait, wait again.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry to interrupt, but Meghan, did you say that

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Speaker 2: this was this was like an open secret.

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Speaker 1: Everyone knew what was.

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Speaker 7: Happening ten years ago when their first civil suit was

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Speaker 7: filed in twenty seventeen. Yes, that's when it all first

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Speaker 7: sort of coming here, he started coming undone.

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Speaker 2: Okay, first civil suit was over, was about ten years ago. Okay,

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Speaker 2: joining me right now is a renowned criminal defense attorney,

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Speaker 2: a veteran trial lawyer, founder.

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Speaker 1: Of Ruben Law. No relation.

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Speaker 2: I assume Danny Rubin is joining us out of La Danny,

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Speaker 2: before you put on your defense hat and start arguing

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Speaker 2: with me, can I just talk about the duality here,

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Speaker 2: The duality of going to these you know, ten thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars a plate, philanthropic events dinners where rich people walk

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Speaker 2: around sniffing of each other.

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Speaker 1: And it's a scene.

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Speaker 2: It's a scene like a nightclub scene or you know,

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Speaker 2: just any scene.

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Speaker 1: The same people.

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Speaker 2: Go over and over and over, and I'm glad they do,

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Speaker 2: because they do wonderful things for the needy. But the

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Speaker 2: facade that he has created of this bit of factor,

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Speaker 2: while all the time the word is he's torturing women

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Speaker 2: and a sex dungeon after luring them.

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Speaker 1: There just that.

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Speaker 2: Duality, you know, you tell that to a jury, it's like.

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Speaker 1: Putting a nun up for the defense. Of course they're

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Speaker 8: I mean, I think that the duality is important. I

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Speaker 8: agree with you. On the one hands, it might be

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Speaker 8: a mask to what's going on elsewhere. On the other

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Speaker 8: he might actually care about certain things that he's donating to.

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Speaker 8: But I do want to say that these things are

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Speaker 8: alleged right now, they're they're not a given, they're not proven,

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Speaker 8: and he's innocent, soil proven guilty. I think we have

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Speaker 8: a lot more to get into before we can start

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Speaker 8: casting judgment on whether.

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Speaker 1: Did or didn't Reben.

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Speaker 2: Anybody watching crime stories knows about the presumption of innocence,

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Speaker 2: and as predicted, you only gave the first portion of

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Speaker 2: that charge to the jury, or presumption of innocence, and

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Speaker 2: I believe you will agree with me that the actual

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Speaker 2: charge is that the defendant is presumed innocent I would

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Speaker 2: like to see him, please, that's not him. The charge

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Speaker 2: is to the jury that the defendant is presumed innocent

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Speaker 2: unless and until the state pierces and overcomes that presumption

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Speaker 2: with evidence proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Speaker 1: You always seem to kind of leave off.

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Speaker 2: The left last half of that sentence regarding presumption of innocence.

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Speaker 1: Reuben is presumed innocent.

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Speaker 2: He is innocent tonight unless and until the state pierces

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Speaker 2: the presumption of innocence with evidence beyond reasonable doubt. Would

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Speaker 2: you agree that that is the judicial charge.

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Speaker 8: I agree that that's the charge. But all we have

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Speaker 8: right now is the public is the indictment, and whatever's

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Speaker 8: in the civil suit. I personally am looking forward to

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Speaker 8: what transpires in this case. I want to see what

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Speaker 8: the alleged witnesses have to say. A grand jury has

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Speaker 8: heard it. I would like to hear it. I think

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Speaker 8: the public should hear it. And I think as we

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Speaker 8: get closer to trial day than this, if it does

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Speaker 8: ever go to trial, we'll start to hear more and

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Speaker 8: more about the evidence.

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Speaker 2: Danny Rubin another question to you, and again, this is

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Speaker 2: neither defens or state oriented. It's like a horrible deja vous.

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Speaker 2: It's happening all over again.

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Speaker 1: We just saw this with Sean Combs, we saw it

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Speaker 2: Kelly, We saw it with Epstein over and over and over.

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Speaker 2: Where As you just heard Megan Palin with the New

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Speaker 2: York Post stay that there was a civil suit the

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Speaker 2: same things in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Where's the government? Where are they?

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Speaker 2: Why has it taken them seven years to bring this

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Speaker 2: case to a criminal trial.

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Speaker 1: I have a problem with that. What have they been doing?

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Speaker 8: I think what they were waiting for was the trial

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Speaker 8: that took place, I believe in twenty twenty two or

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Speaker 8: twenty twenty three. They wanted to see what testimony came out.

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Speaker 8: I think that Howard testified in that case, both at

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Speaker 8: his deposition and then a trial. They want to make

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Speaker 8: sure that they have a slam dunk case, considering they

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Speaker 8: have an egg on their face from the Ditty case.

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Speaker 8: I know that. I mean, we all know that didn't

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Speaker 8: go the way that the Ausa's office wanted it to go.

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Speaker 8: Getting four years in change is not was not the

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Speaker 8: goal of the office. So I think now they're bringing

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Speaker 8: this case and they want to make sure they have

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Speaker 8: an ironclad I can't promise you they do. No one

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Speaker 8: really knows that yet. But again, as more evidence comes out,

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Speaker 8: we'll see how well this case is.

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Speaker 2: Guys, this guy with every advantage still charged with major,

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Speaker 2: major offenses, sex offenses and more.

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Speaker 1: Who is this guy? Listen?

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Speaker 3: Ruben is accused of luring victims, first in luxury Manhattan

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Speaker 3: hotels and later his eighteen thousand dollars per month penthouse

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Speaker 3: apartment equipped with a soundproof sex dungeon. Women were bound

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Speaker 3: on a bed or across and beaten and electrocuted while

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Speaker 3: they were provided with a safe word. The pleas of

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Speaker 3: those who weren't gagged went ignored, and the torture often

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Speaker 3: continued even when a woman fell unconscious. Ruben allegedly paid

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Speaker 3: the women several thousand dollars afterwards, including for injuries that

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Speaker 3: required medical attention, like a flipped breast implant.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that sounds really painful. A flipped breast implant. It

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Speaker 2: goes so much further than that. Lynn Shaw joining me,

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Speaker 2: founder and director of Lynn's Warriors, dedicated to the eradication

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Speaker 2: of sex fploitation of women and sex trafficking, and let

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Speaker 2: me remind you it is a non profit. She's certainly

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Speaker 2: not doing it for the money. How is it that

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Speaker 2: these multi millionaires mingle at, for instance, charity functions for

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Speaker 2: ten twenty thousand dollars a plate for Pete's sake, and

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Speaker 2: nobody will call them on their bad behavior, and we

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Speaker 2: see it over and over again. There's did He we

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Speaker 2: pointed out, this is R Near with NXVM. There is Epstein,

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Speaker 2: there is R. Kelly, There's Jared Fogel. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: could just list them off the top of my head,

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Speaker 2: on and on and on, rich or famous.

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Speaker 1: People that get away with this. And as in.

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Speaker 2: Your backyard, Landshaw, what you may have brust amos with

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Speaker 2: this guy.

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Speaker 4: I am living in the devil's playground. This building is

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Speaker 4: around the corner for me, and it has tighter security

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Speaker 4: than Fork Knox. He was arrested directly across the street.

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Speaker 4: Epstein was a neighbor. I ask you, where has everybody been?

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Speaker 1: What is going on?

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Speaker 4: Who was complicit with this? This Jennifer Powers and this

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Speaker 4: Howard Rubert And I'm not giving him a cute nickname

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Speaker 4: because I am disgusted in the name of all of

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Speaker 4: the victims. How was this allowed to go on for

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Speaker 4: so long? How did for instance, door men and medical

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Speaker 1: My case has been going on for a years.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of the perfect facade, and this guy's philanthropic worked

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Speaker 2: What were the FEDS and the local authorities LA law enforcement?

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Speaker 1: Here is part of his facade.

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Speaker 3: Howard Rubin and his former assistant Jennifer Powers have allegedly

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Speaker 2: These women educated beautiful, many of them models, And he

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Speaker 2: We've spoken to restaurant employees state, Oh, here comes Ruben,

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Speaker 1: Into his soundproof sex dungeon.

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Speaker 2: One thing that is perplexing me is a woman named

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Speaker 1: How does she fit into this Listen.

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Speaker 6: Ruben tak Jennifer Powers, his personal assistant with recruiting victims.

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Speaker 6: Powers oversaw the victim's payments, distributing funds from Ruben and

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Speaker 1: Non disclosure agreement. You've heard of those.

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Speaker 2: That's where you get someone to sign away, usually in

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Speaker 2: York Post, Meghan, who is Powers?

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Speaker 7: I was started out as Reuben's personal assistant in twenty eleven, and,

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Speaker 1: This guy Howard Rubin.

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Speaker 2: It's just amazing to me too, Danny Rubin, no relation.

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Speaker 1: I hope he had everything going for him.

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Speaker 2: He graduates with a degree in engineering that's not easy

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Speaker 2: He had everything going for him. How did he degenerate

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Speaker 2: let's just say, our dope dealers, no education, rap sheet

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Speaker 1: Reuben.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, honestly, everyone's actions are their own. But

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Speaker 1: Me just wait, that's what you've got to say.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's actions are their own. Please, Ruben, tell me something

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm talking about someone with so much advantage,

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Speaker 2: This is not a five dollars crack kit. This is

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 1: There are two ways they look at this. The first

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Speaker 8: Is he doing this of his own volition? Is it

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Speaker 2: Ear Please let me see him say this. Okay, you

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Speaker 2: are you do have a straight face. This is a

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Speaker 1: He had the sense to call and hey.

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Speaker 2: Hey, can you soundproof my sex dungeon so I can

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Speaker 8: what's the issue. There's certainly a divide and certainly something

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Speaker 2: Mental illness to hurt that antisocial? Okay, what that's not

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Speaker 2: that's misleading people to think that is a mental illness, rube,

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Speaker 2: and it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's cool.

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Speaker 8: My point is that maybe I miss misspoke by saying

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Speaker 8: Normal people aren't making sex dungeons, Normal people aren't torturing

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Speaker 2: I think that's why it's it's really not. State doesn't

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Speaker 1: It's going to be mitigative.

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Speaker 8: I think that if if there is an issue of

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Speaker 2: True crime stories with Nancy Grace, please, I would away

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Speaker 2: throw those law books he's got behind him. See all

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Speaker 1: The twinkie defense.

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Speaker 1: All of those aren't legit.

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Speaker 2: They've actually worked in court, but not normal or anti

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Speaker 8: No, I completely agree with you. What I meant, what

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Speaker 2: It is a secret because he knew he had to

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Speaker 1: In their breasts is wrong.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I have mined this feel I've

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Ruben might come up with a case

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Speaker 1: I know I just killed somebody, or I just committed

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Speaker 2: Keeping his sex dungeon secretive to me would be evidence

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Speaker 2: hand it to Ruben, all right, he wins a lot

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Speaker 1: Well, he said that.

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Speaker 4: Ruben had a site like a mental health defect. He didn't.

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Speaker 4: That would be schizophrenia, bipolar, something like that. He wouldn't

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Speaker 5: He Now, Ruben did say anti social, which is a

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Speaker 5: It's just a personality disorder.

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Speaker 1: Nancy.

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Speaker 4: Let's make clear Ruben could only get an erection.

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Speaker 5: By beating women up. That's it torturing them in reality.

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Speaker 5: In the real world, he's a little man with a

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Speaker 4: He goes to these philanthropic events so he can mine

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Speaker 4: I've never seen him, but they want to associate with

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Speaker 4: It makes them feel powerful, it makes them feel big,

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Speaker 5: Dinners, and he used the term BDSM as if this

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Speaker 1: This was not that.

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Speaker 5: This was a torture chamber dressed up as something different.

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Speaker 5: And one final thought, Nancy sociopassed, where's something that we

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Speaker 5: move and act in a way that appears normal so

441
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Speaker 5: they can compensate for their defects, when in fact, this

442
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 5: guy had a compulsion that was organizing his entire life.

443
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Speaker 2: Bethany, please don't say defect anymore as it relates to

444
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,479
Speaker 2: Howard Rubin, because Dan Danny Rubin will hear that and

445
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: he will run with it, claiming there's some kind of

446
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 2: mental defect. Yeah, I forgot Ruben. I forgot to throw

447
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 2: in about him graduating from Harvard. Good luck trying to

448
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 2: claim mental defect. You know you're bringing to mind Brian Coberger.

449
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: I hate to even say his name and his attempt

450
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: to claim he had some kind of mental defect because

451
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: he let's see, there were so many things he tried,

452
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 2: He tried that he was under the spectrum ocd oh.

453
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: At the end, it was sad he was even claiming Danny.

454
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: He was even claiming that he had an eating disorder,

455
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Speaker 2: as if that's somehow justified what he did or it

456
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Speaker 2: should be a mitigating factor in sentencing. In the end,

457
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Speaker 2: it worked out pretty well for him because he had

458
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Speaker 2: a really weak prosecutor that kind.

459
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Speaker 1: Of let him off the hook.

460
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Speaker 2: But Bethany, please, I'll say defect again because Ruben of

461
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: the Danny variety.

462
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: Will run with it like a dog and a Bone.

463
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Speaker 2: Dan Murphy former NYPD detective sergeant, Joint Terrorism Task Force,

464
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: former chief security officer, US bank Or and star of

465
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Speaker 2: gold Shields podcast.

466
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Speaker 1: Also author Dan.

467
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Speaker 2: Usually I agree with you, but I'd like to point

468
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: out that this is right down the street from you,

469
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 2: and everybody else knew what was going on, since there

470
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: was a civil suit back in twenty seventeen, but nobody

471
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 2: in LA law enforcement did anything. Why was he giving

472
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: too much to the police fund?

473
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Speaker 10: I wish I knew. I wish I knew why no

474
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Speaker 10: one did anything. Maybe maybe no one had come forward

475
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 10: and filed a formal complaint other than the civil one.

476
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 10: And as oddly as that sounds, there's a bureaucratic process

477
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 10: to file police reports to getting investigation started. Perhaps that

478
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 10: was the case. Perhaps someone looked into it and they

479
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 10: decided they needed more. Sometimes these investigations take a long

480
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 10: time to tie this up. On this one up right,

481
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 10: You're going to want to make sure you have credible witnesses.

482
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 10: You're going to want to make sure that you have

483
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 10: corroborative evidence, and you're going to want to make sure

484
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 10: you have somebody somebody flipping and giving this person up.

485
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Speaker 10: I would look to have tape recorded conversations with him

486
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Speaker 10: where he discusses this sort of thing. I'd look to

487
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 10: collect texts and emails and anything else I could that

488
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,239
Speaker 10: can corroborate the stories being told by these victims. And

489
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 10: maybe that was going on. I don't know, but I

490
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 10: can tell you that the people I worked with the

491
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 10: law enforcement, if we had learned about this, they would

492
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Speaker 10: have been a case assistant.

493
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Speaker 3: Jennifer Powers would handle the operations, logistics, recruiting and booking

494
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: the women's flights, managing payments, restocking his dungeon, and getting

495
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: the women to sign NDA's rubin, apparently spending over one

496
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 3: million dollars to fund the enterprise.

497
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Speaker 2: At what point do you look up and say, why

498
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: am I restocking a torture chamber? I really didn't imagine

499
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: as a little girl that I would grow up restocking

500
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Speaker 2: a torture chamber.

501
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: Who is this woman?

502
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 2: You just heard Dan Murphy from gold Shields podcast, former

503
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: NYPD detective sergeant that Dan Murphy talking about when was

504
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: the first police report filed? Because cops can't just go

505
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: forward when nobody has made a complaint. Even though there

506
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: was a twenty seventeen civil lawsuit laying all of this

507
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: out right now. The fat's actually asking for victims to

508
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: come forward, much as they did in the Sean Combs case.

509
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 2: But I'm going to get to Jennifer Powers, because I

510
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: find it very odd that she went along lockstep with

511
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: all of these crimes.

512
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Speaker 1: According to police listen.

513
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: For more than ten years, Powers entire life funded by

514
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 3: financi your boss, Howard Ruben down to her iTunes account.

515
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: Ruben's funding kicks in in twenty twelve, allowing Powers to

516
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: afford it nineteen sixty six convertible Lincoln Continental as a

517
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: wedding gift to her husband. The couple takes lavish vacations

518
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: in following years when their children are old enough to

519
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: attend school, Reuben Bank rules, private educations, and even a

520
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: mortgage for a home in the wealthy south Lake suburb

521
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: for Powers.

522
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: Holy moly.

523
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, he paid for a lavish wedding convertible Lincoln

524
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: Continental Vintage, pays for a children's private school, and the

525
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: mortgage for their home and a ritzy suburb.

526
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Speaker 1: In South Lake. Okay, you know what. It took criminal.

527
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: Investigators a long time to finally try and bring this

528
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: guy down. The guess who is about three inches up

529
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: their tail pipe. When criminal prosecutions fail, the taxman does.

530
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: What's the cleanup listen?

531
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Speaker 9: Despite Powers working part time as a substitute teacher in

532
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 9: carol isd and her DJ husband reporting just forty thousand

533
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 9: dollars in income since twenty eighteen, the family pays off

534
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 9: five hundred thousand dollars in credit card bills, lives in

535
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 9: a home valued at one point seven million dollars. The

536
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 9: children attend private school, and they take luxurious family vacations.

537
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 9: The IRS finds the Powers failed to report nearly nine

538
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 9: million dollars in income received from Howard Ruben, Jennifer Power's

539
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 9: former boss. The couple is charged with tax fraud, for

540
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 9: which neither have made a first appearance.

541
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: Right row, what happened, Megan Palin? I mean if the

542
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: local authorities LA law enforcement won't lift a finger, the

543
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: tax men will.

544
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, what is this all about?

545
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 7: Look, they've been leaving a life of luxury by all

546
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 7: accounts for many years. Social media posts have emerged from

547
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 7: Jennifer Powers that show them on all of these luxury

548
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 7: holidays all around the world, and they had I think

549
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 7: it was nearly nine million dollars in total given to

550
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 7: them by Ruben, so for her, she's obviously benefited greatly

551
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 7: from this partnership.

552
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: Guys, this would not be the first time the tax

553
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: man did the dirty work for law enforcement. I'm sorry

554
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: to say that right to your face. Dan Murphy, former

555
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: NYPD detect a sergeant, Joint Terrorism Task Force. It goes

556
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: on and on and on. I mean, you've heard of

557
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: al Capone, right Murphy, al Capone, the head of the

558
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: mob him. And you've probably heard of Wesley Snipes, the

559
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: famous actor MC hammer, remember the Hammer.

560
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: It goes on, Willie.

561
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: Nelson, Pete Rose, Martha Stewart, all of them, all of

562
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: them got into a tangle with the tax man, Danny Rubin.

563
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: When Ellie won't lift a finger and won't go forward,

564
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: the irs will and you better run like you see

565
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: the grim Reaper outside.

566
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: Your living room window, just staring at you.

567
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and I'm not talking about hey, hey, you

568
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: have to.

569
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Speaker 1: Pay us back. They will put you in jail and

570
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: you will rot in there.

571
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 8: That is one hundred percent right. And let me tell

572
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 8: you it is very clear that I am that anyone

573
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 8: should respect and fear the irs. Everyone should should report

574
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 8: their taxes as they should in fact make sure you

575
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 8: do it right, Make sure you do it often. They

576
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 8: are merciless. And many times, as you said before, they

577
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 8: brought down al Capone. When elliot ness couldn't bring down

578
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 8: al Capone and they couldn't find anything on them, the

579
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 8: irs did and they got a taxivasion and put them

580
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 8: in Algatratz. So it is a very stupid person who

581
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 8: does not respect the irs.

582
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: Man, I'm telling you, like I said, that grim reaper

583
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: looking in your kitchen window, you try to make some

584
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: coffee there they are staring at you.

585
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: Don't do it, you know. I want to get to

586
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: the phenomena.

587
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 2: And I've seen it before Danny Ruben, and I'm sure

588
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 2: you have two where you have a thug in this

589
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 2: case Ruben Howard Ruben aka Horrible Howie. But then why

590
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 2: would someone go along with his crimes?

591
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: I'm talking about powers.

592
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: Why would she go along with it? I mean she

593
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: has everything, She's got, this husband, this home, these children,

594
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: for Pete's sake, We risk all of that just for money?

595
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: Hell no? Why?

596
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 8: I mean it's probably a number of things. Again, assuming

597
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 8: everything that complained is true, we're talking about it access

598
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 8: to not just money, but a lot of money. Nine

599
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 8: million dollars is a lot of money, and you're hobnoming

600
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 8: with people who are very high social status and very

601
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 8: high wealth individuals. I mean, you don't just get that

602
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 8: access from anyone, and being part of that world can

603
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 8: change you. Being part of that world gets you access

604
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 8: to things you wouldn't normally get and sometimes if you're

605
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 8: asked to do something distasteful, maybe it's one of the

606
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 8: it's that access which keeps you coming back, and eventually

607
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 8: you become dependent on it. You start going on let's

608
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 8: say vacations or private school or whatever, and you start

609
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 8: to get those golden handcuffs where now you're roped in

610
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 8: sometimes and as you do things over time, potentially it

611
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 8: doesn't seem as bad as it was yesterday or the

612
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 8: day before, and tomorrow is going to be a little better.

613
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 8: And as you get more and more accustomed to it,

614
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 8: it can be warping to your personality.

615
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: Now to Bethety Marshall is living high on the hog,

616
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: having all the luxury trips, the beautiful home, they vantage

617
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 2: convertible car, the private schools.

618
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: All that is it like an addiction.

619
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Speaker 5: I think the money is only a small part of it.

620
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 5: I think in every organization.

621
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 4: Usually these kinds of criminal enterprises, there is a woman

622
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 4: somewhere who is willing to abuse other women. Look, we

623
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 4: saw it with Gilan Maxwell, with the Jeffrey Epstein case.

624
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 4: What about the FLDS cult where there were women within

625
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 4: that organization suppressing other women. So I would believe that,

626
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 4: I would guess that Jennifer Powers has in her very

627
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 4: personality or her character the capacity for great cruelty towards

628
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 4: other people. Otherwise she wouldn't do this.

629
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Speaker 5: She seems very bright and like she could have made

630
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 5: money otherways, get a job, you know, for God's sake.

631
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Speaker 4: But she must feel and take some secret satisfaction in

632
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 4: women being punished, tortured, electrocuted, and then texting this guy

633
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 4: Ruben back and forth about it. So when women men

634
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 4: act in concert with a man to abuse other people,

635
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 4: it is always Nancy because they are taking some pleasure

636
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 4: and satisfaction from it, beyond the monetary gain. That's just

637
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 4: icing on the cake. But they are sayists themselves.

638
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: Guys, it's not just doing his bidding.

639
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: When you see their text messages back and forth between

640
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: each other.

641
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: It's sick.

642
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 9: Listen in text messages Ruben shares horrifying details of his

643
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 9: exploits with Powers and casual conversation. Powers asks for details

644
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 9: when Ruben says he used the cross in his last session,

645
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 9: I can only imagine what you did to her on

646
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 9: that cross? Did you shock her? Ruben responds with a

647
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 9: complaint that his cattle prod isn't as strong as it

648
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 9: used to be.

649
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: Glynn Shaw, this is the type of conversation that I

650
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: would expect from a pimp talking to another pimp about

651
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: how some of the Johns torture the women or the girls.

652
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: This is a.

653
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: Guy in your neighborhood that attends all of these glitzy

654
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: galas raising money. Yeah him for the Naedy, a multi

655
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: millionaire Harvard grad and his hints person the wields abub

656
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: to his satan. They're laughing about shocking ladies genitals with

657
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: a shocking device after forcing her binding her to across.

658
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 4: Listen to what we're talking about, Jennifer Powers. Do you

659
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 4: know how disappointing and horrific she is a woman doing

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Speaker 4: this to other women? All of the cases I can

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Speaker 4: think of. I'm sitting here trying to think in my mind,

662
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Speaker 4: there's now a woman involved. They're doing all the dirty work,

663
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Speaker 4: and this woman is laughing about all of this and

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Speaker 4: taking joy. And I agree a thousand percent with doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 4: She really nailed it. There's something wrong with this woman,

666
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Speaker 4: and my goodness, cann't she even think of her children

667
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Speaker 4: and clean it up and get out of this or

668
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Speaker 4: not do it at all. But here's the thing. This

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Speaker 4: is why we have women who don't want to come forward,

670
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Speaker 4: girls who don't want to come forward. They see another

671
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Speaker 4: woman does this and they're seeing again that dynamic of power, wealth,

672
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Speaker 4: and they're seeing it wasted on this. And this is

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Speaker 4: why we can't get them to come into court to testify.

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Speaker 4: It's falling apart. This is another case, another example, and

675
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Speaker 4: again a woman doing this to another woman. I can't imagine.

676
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Speaker 4: This is just not exploitation. This is morally corrupt. This

677
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 4: is evil, evil happening. And you know what, I'm just

678
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Speaker 4: going to throw this in. A friend of mine in

679
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 4: real estate say, there's a big demand lately. She told

680
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Speaker 4: me this about three months ago for these sex dungeons

681
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Speaker 4: and people's apartments here in New York. How horrific is

682
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Speaker 4: this that people are normalizing and becoming habituated to these

683
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Speaker 4: terrorist acts horrific on women.

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Speaker 2: The majority of the victims are women. To say they

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Speaker 2: sell are joining me crime stories investigative reporter. In other

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Speaker 2: text messages, Sidney Sumner, isn't it true that this hinch

687
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Speaker 2: person Powers? Jennifer Powers speaks freely even in writing, in

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Speaker 2: text messages and recorded conversations.

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Speaker 1: For instance, I.

690
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Speaker 2: Don't care if she screams next to a laughing face emoji,

691
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Speaker 2: words like this will be fun, exclamation, exclamation another she

692
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Speaker 2: hates submits, she's so desperate. We've got to make her cry,

693
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Speaker 2: stating that they will give the victim quote plenty of

694
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Speaker 2: valume so she can endure more pain.

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Speaker 1: Repeat, We've got to make her cry.

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Speaker 2: That's part of the state's evidence, is it not, Sidney Sumner.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, And not only were these conversations over text message,

698
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Speaker 11: but on Ruben's work email discussing what was happening in

699
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 11: that sex dungeon. So these text messages evidence that Ruben

700
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Speaker 11: was just so brutal he enjoyed the women's pain. It

701
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Speaker 11: was a horrible situation, and Ruben and Powers are just

702
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Speaker 11: talking about it casually over text, laughing about the victim's pain.

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Speaker 2: Danny Rubin, the defense has a big problem when these

704
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Speaker 2: text messages come out with the laughing face emoji beside

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Speaker 2: their plans.

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Speaker 1: Have you read this indictment?

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Speaker 2: According to the state, the defendant, Howard Ruben, would conduct

708
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 2: sex sessions like say felonies multiple times a week, sometimes

709
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: on consecutive days, one after the next, after the next.

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Speaker 1: Where was the wife?

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Speaker 2: Did she not notice anything weird was happening? It goes

712
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Speaker 2: on and on and on. But when you have your

713
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Speaker 2: client dan me using work email to plan a crime,

714
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Speaker 2: they're basically, uh, let me just say creak without a paddle.

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Speaker 1: They wrote it down nanny on the work email.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's uh, that's not a great fact. I think

717
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 8: what they're going to want to focus on is whether

718
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 8: or not the acts were consented to. And I know,

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Speaker 8: I know how the complaint reads. I know that there's

720
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Speaker 8: a civil case. But just because some and part of

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Speaker 8: it is, they're going to want to introduce the NBA's

722
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Speaker 8: they're going to want introduce the fact that there's a

723
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Speaker 8: presumption of consent. Of course, you can revoke consent at

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Speaker 8: any time. Many of the women and the complaints that

725
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 8: they did, but they're going to want to show that

726
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 8: there was consented, that it was not revoked, the consent

727
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 8: was properly obtained, and that this this after discussion about

728
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Speaker 8: what it occurred, is going to be tangential.

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Speaker 2: Consent consman crime stories with Nancy Grace Dan Murphy. These women,

730
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Speaker 2: many of them, consented to a date. They did not

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Speaker 2: know that they were going to be handcuffed to across

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Speaker 2: in a dungeon and be shocked with a cattle prod

733
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Speaker 2: all over their body to where they were screaming if

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Speaker 2: they could, because many of them were gagged. According to

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Speaker 2: court documents, they couldn't even scream.

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Speaker 1: They would be passed out, they would be drugged. It's

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Speaker 1: just how can you consent to that? How can you

738
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Speaker 1: consent to a crime? You can't?

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Speaker 10: And in case like this, these people were absolutely sold

740
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Speaker 10: a bill of goods that turned out to be completely

741
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Speaker 10: and sadly incorrect. He's a manipulator, he's a liar. He

742
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 10: knows how to get people to do what he wants

743
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Speaker 10: them to do. He knows how to keep it secret,

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Speaker 10: he knows how to pay people off, he knows how

745
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Speaker 10: to do all the things we've seen now in the

746
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 10: Ditty case, the Epstein case, and who knows how many

747
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 10: more cases like this out there money talks as well

748
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Speaker 10: as persuasion. Manipulating people is something these people do very

749
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Speaker 10: very well, and in this case they did that, but

750
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Speaker 10: it fell apart, as they all do at some point,

751
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 10: it falls apart. Now in this case, these poor women,

752
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 10: they went up there thinking it was going to be

753
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Speaker 10: a date, maybe they were going to make a few

754
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Speaker 10: bucks whatever. They had no idea what they were going

755
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Speaker 10: getting themselves into. And that is a very, very scary thing.

756
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Speaker 10: And I can imagine that the wealth and power of

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Speaker 10: this individual and his world scared them into silence for

758
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Speaker 10: a long time.

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Speaker 4: If you're nervous in.

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Speaker 1: This hotel, embarrassing, it's just that I don't feel comfortable.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you don't have a favor with me.

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Speaker 1: Greeze.

763
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to do any device where my children

764
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Speaker 3: please come in on everything.

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Speaker 8: I'm a famous guy.

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Speaker 11: Very comfortable is coming now and one minute and if

767
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Speaker 11: you want to leave when the guy comes in.

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Speaker 1: My jack, Yes, today you touched my priest.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, I'm sorry.

770
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Speaker 2: That was another all time a hole. That was Harvey Weinstein,

771
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 2: and he was threatening and coercing Ambra Mattaliana into sex acts,

772
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Speaker 2: unwanted sex acts, and the same techniques were used to

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Speaker 2: Megan Palin joining us from the incredible New York Post. Meghan,

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Speaker 2: the defense there and the defense here is that these

775
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 2: women agreed to what was happening and then had.

776
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Speaker 1: Second thoughts when it was over or it went too far.

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00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: Bottom line, that they essentially consented to the acts. Apparently,

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Speaker 2: finally LA law enforcement we got came out of their

779
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: trance started investigating this case, and it's style changeous. They

780
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: apparently disagree with that theory of consent.

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, it's it's pretty obvious that things change

782
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 7: once they got there, because even after the case, once

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Speaker 7: they left this sex dungeon, there's text messages that have

784
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 7: come out that showed that these women were texting Jennifer

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Speaker 7: Powers explaining that their injuries were so severe to various degrees,

786
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Speaker 7: and she was responding telling them to ice them to

787
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Speaker 7: deal with them in other such ways. These were all

788
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Speaker 7: sort of like it appears to be part of the

789
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Speaker 7: management of the aftermath of things that they certainly weren't

790
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Speaker 7: expecting to get out of it. When they entered this apartment, which,

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Speaker 7: by the way, I know you mentioned earlier that you'd

792
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Speaker 7: wondered where his wife had been. This penthouse was not

793
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 7: his residential property. It was least eighteen thousand dollars a month,

794
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Speaker 7: specifically for these sexual paigs that he was having there.

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Speaker 2: Megan, I'm curious you're describing how powers the hitch person,

796
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Speaker 2: the secretary, as you said, managed the victims. What were

797
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Speaker 2: there injuries that we know of?

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, the most severe one that we've heard

799
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Speaker 7: of so far was the breast implant that was flipped

800
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Speaker 7: upside down because she'd been beaten so hard by Reuben

801
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 7: with a closed fist that it had physically switched sides

802
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 7: within her body and then later required surgery. Others were

803
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 7: talking about bruising and pain to their bodies and whatnot.

804
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 7: The full extent of the injuries we haven't heard yet.

805
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 7: I guess that's all going to come out at some stage,

806
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 7: but they were severed from the details that we have

807
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 7: heard so far, particularly the breast implant two.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Anthony Marshall, I know you just heard our friend

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Speaker 2: Meghan Palin from the New York Post to beat a

810
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 2: lady in her breast so violently it flips the implant.

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Speaker 2: Just how does anyone derive pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Out of that?

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Speaker 4: Nancy? This is what we call a perversion and specifically,

814
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 4: this is sexual sadism, where watching the humiliation, the suffering,

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00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 4: and the fear of the victim causes the perpetrator to

816
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 4: become sexually aroused. Now, what's interesting is that men with

817
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 4: sexual sadism they have a very hard time becoming aroused

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Speaker 4: in normal ways with normal women out in the world.

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Speaker 5: So if they were having lunch date or in a

820
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Speaker 5: business meeting or something where there where it's an equal

821
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Speaker 5: playing field with other women, this guy would have lost

822
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Speaker 5: interest in those women. He can't deal with real people

823
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Speaker 5: with thoughts, feelings, and emotions.

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Speaker 1: Of their own.

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Speaker 4: But there is some theory that when that aggression and sexuality.

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Speaker 5: Is processed through the same heart of the brain, and

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Speaker 5: in brain scans with these kinds of perpetrators, the amygdala

828
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 5: lights up. The aggression center of the brain, the part

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Speaker 5: of the brain that's responsible for sexual pleasure, also lights up.

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Speaker 4: So these two things are kind of fused and confused.

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Speaker 4: Aggression arousal, those two things go together in this disorder.

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Speaker 4: And also it's a compulsion.

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Speaker 5: People with compulsions, as I said earlier, they organize their

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Speaker 5: entire life around the compulsion.

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Speaker 4: So everything you look at that he did, even getting

836
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Speaker 4: married and having children.

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Speaker 5: That might have just been a way to cover up

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Speaker 5: his sexual deviancy so he could pass as normal in society.

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Speaker 1: Danny Rubin, veterans trial law, you're out of LA. I

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Speaker 1: got a question for you. It's a personal question.

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Speaker 2: When you're representing people such as Howard Rubin and you're

842
00:49:55,239 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: sitting there beside them, do you ever get totally disgusted,

843
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 2: totally schethed out and just want to, like, right now,

844
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Speaker 2: even talking about this, I just want to get it,

845
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Speaker 2: run out of the studio, screaming as if I'd seen

846
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Speaker 2: a monster.

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Speaker 1: It's just how do you do it? How do you quell.

848
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Speaker 2: Those thoughts that aversion and keep a straight face and

849
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 2: keep doing it, because that's your duty as a defense

850
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 2: lawyer to the utmost of your ability to save your client.

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Speaker 1: How do you deal with that?

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Speaker 8: I look at all the facts, the first and foremost.

853
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 8: I don't judge clients as to what happened. That's that's

854
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 8: obviously if you If you have to do that, and

855
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Speaker 8: you do that, you have no business being a defense attorney.

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00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 8: The fact is, I look at the facts, the documents,

857
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 8: look what they say, and I look at what the

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Speaker 8: testimony shows, and I want to determine what, if anything,

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00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 8: our defenses are, and then what the prosecution has to prove.

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Speaker 8: It's the prosecution's job to get in there and make

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Speaker 8: their case. And if they can make their case, my

862
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 8: job is exceedingly difficult, That's true, and again it's up

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Speaker 8: to them. When I sit next to a client and

864
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 8: a client is accused of this, I look at it

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Speaker 8: just like that. He is accused. He is not guilty.

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Speaker 8: He has not done these things until a jury of

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Speaker 8: our peers says that he has. And it is my

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00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 8: job to take a look at that evidence, to present

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Speaker 8: the evidence to the jury, and the jury can make

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Speaker 8: the decision based on the evidence that they have.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Rubin, I'm convinced whenever I'm accused of torturing people

872
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Speaker 2: in my sex dungeon, I will definitely hire you, all right.

873
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: I don't know what that says about you, but okay,

874
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: I'm sold. Guys, if you know or think you know

875
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Speaker 2: anything regarding this case, the la attached to this case.

876
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: Are asking for victims to come forward.

877
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: Now how they can do that after the ditty debacle

878
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: in court, I don't know, but I do know that

879
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: Reuben will never be put away. He will never be

880
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 2: convicted if victims do not come forward. That is Lynn

881
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 2: Shaw's problem right now with Lynn's warriors after the Shawn

882
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 2: Combs verdict, women.

883
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: Are afraid to speak out, and do you blame them

884
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: for those brave enough?

885
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: The tip line is two one two three eight four

886
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: thirty eight hundred repeat two one, two three eight four.

887
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: Thirty eight hundred.

888
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 2: If he has not stopped, according to police, it will

889
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 2: happen again. We stop to remember an American hero, Senior

890
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 2: Trooper Craig Ganines, Florida Highway Patrol, killed in the line

891
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 2: of duty after twenty seven years in l e, leaving

892
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: behind his grieving wife, Rebecca, and three children. American hero

893
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 2: Senior Trooper Craig Ganges Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.