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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cardinal Territory. Happy New Year, Happy

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. I'm Katie Wu. He's Trevor Rosenthal, and

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Speaker 1: we hope that you, however you started your new year,

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Speaker 1: did it in a happy and healthy way. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you can tell my end. My voice is

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Speaker 1: not great. That's okay, We're gonna roll with it. I

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Speaker 1: spent January first down in Atlanta at the Peach Bowl

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Speaker 1: rooting on.

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Speaker 2: My beloved Arizona State sun Devils.

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Speaker 1: And if you saw how that game ended, the loss

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Speaker 1: of Texas and double overtime, you'll you'd understand why I

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Speaker 1: sound and feel the way that I do today.

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Speaker 2: That's all right. We rolled with it, Trevor. How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great, Katie. Yeah, that was some good some

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Speaker 3: good games. I think we got a game going on

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Speaker 3: Arizona State was fun to watch. Their running back is incredible.

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Speaker 3: I was very surprised by that. But also I called

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Speaker 3: the missfield goal at the end of regulation for the

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Speaker 3: Texas kicker. I saw the head coach talking to him

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Speaker 3: and it was a weird interaction, and I thought, there's

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Speaker 3: no I was like, this guy's gonna miss the field going.

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Speaker 4: Sure enough, he clanked it off the upright, but it.

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Speaker 1: Was that long conversation where like, oh, oh, that that

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Speaker 1: means neither of them are feeling pretty good about this

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Speaker 3: It was weird because, I mean, essentially, that's the biggest

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Speaker 3: on the field kind of lightheartedly. I don't know what

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Speaker 3: which I don't know. I mean, obviously didn't work it out,

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Speaker 3: so in hindsight, he probably wishes he wouldn't.

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Speaker 4: Have done that.

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Speaker 1: You know, from my advantage point in the stadium, one

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Speaker 1: I had, I had that was the most insane sporting

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Speaker 1: event I've ever been to in my life, and I've.

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Speaker 2: Been to a lot.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, I think the only one that could top that

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Speaker 1: the goalpost to send it in overtime. I think I

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Speaker 1: like Levitated. I don't know, great experience, great season for ASU,

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Speaker 1: just the beginning. So Cardinals fans, thanks for being putting

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Speaker 1: up with me over the last like two months. But

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Speaker 1: I'm also like sorry, not sorry, because I have to

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Speaker 1: live and die with you guys for every pitch for

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Speaker 1: six straight months. So consider this a little like karma.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk baseball, Trevor. It's a new year, which means

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Speaker 1: we have to do resolutions. So the good thing about

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five Cardinals is that there's a lot

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Speaker 1: to improve upon. So I'm going to ask you to

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Speaker 1: stick with our New Year's episode edition theme. What's your

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Speaker 1: resolution for the Cardinals in twenty twenty five?

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Speaker 4: Oh, where do we begin?

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Speaker 3: There's a lot to choose from. I mean, we've talked

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Speaker 3: a lot about a lot on this show about the

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Speaker 3: new focus and development. We've talked about the players that

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Speaker 3: for me, I'm biased towards pitching, and I am a

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Speaker 3: I would love to see them somehow, add some depth

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Speaker 4: A lot for this team. I don't know, Okay, what

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Speaker 1: I like what you said about pitching pitching depth because

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Speaker 1: for so long the Cardinals haven't had any, and it's

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Speaker 1: so interesting to see where they are. And we're recording

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Speaker 1: You know that Sonny Gray, Miles, Michaelis, Eric, Betty, Stephen

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Speaker 1: The next quick side comment spring training is like actually

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Speaker 2: How difficult does that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you have to expect you being in

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Speaker 4: But you know, it's not every opportunity you get.

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Speaker 3: Is is a day where you can grow as a player.

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Speaker 3: I mean we say it a lot, you know, every time,

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Speaker 4: But it is difficult, and you know, I.

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Speaker 3: Think I have a lot of empathy for those guys

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Speaker 3: day to day. But you know, when you think about

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Speaker 3: whether it's the pitching or just the core the core roster,

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Speaker 3: I think you talking about the Cardinal way, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: heim Bloom's going to bring in, they really need, in

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Speaker 3: my opinion, to get back to the fundamentals of what

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Speaker 4: And that's going to help those guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's honestly pretty much right online to what my

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Speaker 1: to establish the next core of winning baseball. Look, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I don't think the Cardinals are

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Speaker 1: This is not going to be like, hey, we're going

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals are very close to figuring out what they

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Speaker 1: truly have. That's the whole reason why they're doing this reset.

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Speaker 1: So my resolution for them is to like figure out

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Speaker 2: Oh, is this the new core? Are they going to

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Speaker 1: I'm on board with what the Cardinals are doing. I've

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to work in Saint Louis.

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Speaker 1: you know, Memphis Mafia. I know at the Saint Louis

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Speaker 1: By the way, we're going to be honoring the nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty five NL championship team. I would love for the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals to discover their next core this season.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I get the next core starting pitching.

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Speaker 3: We got some big goals for twenty twenty five for

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Speaker 2: We do We're optimists that we are.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's hard not to be optimist in January,

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Speaker 1: so let's let's keep it going. I have another question

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Speaker 1: gonna have a breakout twenty twenty five year, which who's

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Speaker 3: consensus for most Cardinal fans at this point. But ever

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Speaker 3: since I saw him play in the Futures Game and

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Speaker 3: And then as I've gotten to see Mason Winn play

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Speaker 1: When you were a veteran in spring training and you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, engaging the fans is such

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Speaker 4: But that's my opinion. What do what do you got?

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Speaker 2: Tickets still available. Let me know, please coming out with us.

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Speaker 2: It'll be so much fun for me.

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Speaker 1: If you want to bring Cardinals fans back to the ballpark,

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Speaker 1: Yachtie's last year. Albert Poohls was back and he was mashin.

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Speaker 1: We didn't know about Adam ween Wright and he ended

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Speaker 1: up coming back for one more season, and fans even

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Speaker 1: in that awful twenty two three season, still came out

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Speaker 1: to Sea Adam Wayne Wright. This year, there is no

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Speaker 1: big name to draw them in. There is no like

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Speaker 1: we want to go see this guy because you're reminds

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Speaker 1: us of teams before. So if this current group of

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Speaker 1: I think the city will respond well to that because

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Speaker 1: it's a bunch of homegrown players, right These are a

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Speaker 1: the minor league system, major leaguers now, and the hope

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Speaker 1: is is that they can be that next group of guys,

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Speaker 1: that next big dynasty team. So if they can figure

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Speaker 1: out ways to win, I think fans are going to

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Speaker 1: be all over that. They're gonna come. They're gonna want

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Speaker 1: to see the start of Mason Win's career. You know,

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Speaker 1: if Lars new Park can be that above average outfielder

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Speaker 1: that the Cardinals think that he can be, they're in

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Speaker 1: on that. Can Jordan Walker figure it out? You think

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Speaker 1: Cardinals fans aren't rooting for Jordan Walker. We know how

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Speaker 1: I feel. I know Cardinals fans are mostly feeling the

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Speaker 1: same way. You go down the list. Sure they have

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Speaker 1: some veterans, right, and you know, I think it's very

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Speaker 1: admirable that Sunny Gray and Wilson Contreras wanted to stay.

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Speaker 2: You know, maybe they have Nolato, maybe they don't.

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Speaker 1: But since they don't have that big, like constant presence

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Speaker 1: for a decade plus that they usually had of a

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Speaker 1: veteran that had been in Saint Louis for that long,

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Speaker 1: this is the year to get invested in the players

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Speaker 1: at the Cardinals. Hope will be here for a long

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Speaker 1: time and if this current group figures out how to win,

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Speaker 1: this fan base will show up. So hopefully we have

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Speaker 1: days that felt more like twenty twenty two at the

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Speaker 1: ballpark than twenty twenty four. I maintain that Bushading was

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Speaker 1: one of the best places to watch a game, great skyline,

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Speaker 1: It feels like a baseball game. This is one of

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Speaker 1: my most like Boomer get off my lawn takes. When

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Speaker 1: I go to a baseball game, I don't want it

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Speaker 1: to feel.

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Speaker 2: Like the club. I do that enough. I do not

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Speaker 2: want it to feel that way.

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Speaker 1: I want to like sit down and I want to

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Speaker 1: get excited about like you know, I want to. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, this is like very people are gonna hate

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Speaker 1: this take already know. I don't care. I want to

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Speaker 1: sit down with my concessions and I want to fill

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Speaker 1: up my little lineup card, and I want to know

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Speaker 1: what's going on in the game and like, yeah, cool,

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Speaker 1: we can have a dance party or whatever in the

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Speaker 1: middle of Innians. But like when it's when the game starts,

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Speaker 1: the game starts. That's what I want, And I think

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Speaker 1: Bushadium does a really good job of keeping it traditional.

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Speaker 1: I just love watching baseball there and it really is

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Speaker 1: something when that it's a full house, you know, September

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Speaker 1: baseball in Saint Louis. That's that to me, has been

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Speaker 1: I think the peak of covering this team so far.

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Speaker 2: So hopefully they get back there.

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Speaker 3: The club, Katie Gosh, I need to figure out what

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Speaker 3: ballparks you're going to that I feel like a club,

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 4: I mean maybe Miami.

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Speaker 3: Certainly would fall into that category. A little bit different now,

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Speaker 3: but I agree, I mean it's it's different. I'm making

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Speaker 3: the transition from the bullpen to sitting in the stands

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Speaker 3: with the fans. It's a whole new environment for me

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Speaker 3: to take in baseball for sure, but I agree Saint

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Speaker 3: Louis Cardinals Busch Stadium hard to beat, hard to beat,

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Speaker 3: great experience all around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so hopefully you know there it feels more like

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Speaker 1: a ballpark in twenty twenty five. We'll see though, a

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Speaker 1: lot to discover in January. I know we talked about it.

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Speaker 1: You and I have some fun guests coming up up.

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Speaker 1: We'll be together in two weeks in Saint Louis that

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Speaker 1: when a warm up comes, Say hi, We'll be at

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Speaker 1: the Writer's dinner. Going to honor Ryan Helsley with the

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Speaker 1: Saint Louis Basefall Man of the Year on top of

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Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty five team. Ozzie Smith is getting the

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Speaker 1: highest award. We honor the Red Metal for his commitment

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Speaker 1: to service throughout his career and obviously could not think

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Speaker 1: of anyone more well deserving, and a lots of other

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Speaker 1: At fun surprises, Mason will be there, Brendan Donovan will

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Speaker 1: be there, and you and I will be there.

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Speaker 2: So if that isn't a big enough draw, I don't

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Speaker 2: know what is.

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Speaker 4: What else could you ask for?

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Speaker 2: All Right?

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Speaker 1: This was episode five of Cardinal Territory. Here's everyone's favorite

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Speaker 1: wrap up. You can follow us on Twitter at card Territory,

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Speaker 1: Like and subscribe to our page on YouTube. Find us

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Speaker 1: on Spotify and Apple. Hopefully, you know, actually I think

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Speaker 1: my voice was not like terrible. It wasn't great, but

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Speaker 1: it wasn't the worst. So hopefully next week it's a

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Speaker 1: little better and Trevor and I will be back with

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Speaker 1: you on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: Happy New Year.

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Speaker 1: Really excited to break down the twin twenty five season

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Speaker 1: with you all.

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Speaker 2: It'll be here before we know it.

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Speaker 4: What'd you say? Was was it five weeks? Eight weeks?

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Speaker 4: You got?

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Speaker 3: You got some time to heal up the voice before

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Speaker 3: we really get get this thing cranked up.

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Speaker 1: I got time, and I'm you know, retiring at least

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Speaker 1: for now from live sporting events and bars. So it's

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Speaker 1: not too late. January second is not too late to

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Speaker 1: start dry January. Sometimes you just need a little like

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Speaker 1: a day to adjust.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you need to.

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Speaker 3: We got to get ready for spring training. Kay, now's

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Speaker 3: the time. The clock's ticking. You got to show up

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Speaker 3: ready to go.

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Speaker 1: I know, right, because there's such early days, but that

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Speaker 1: doesn't stop me from going to Square Grouper at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day.

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Speaker 2: So I gotta do it, Dumbe Bay and like U Tigi.

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Speaker 2: Those are the three you got to hit.

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Speaker 4: I'm a Guana Banas. Guana Bonas is not for me.

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Speaker 2: That is a good one. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Maybe if like one of our episodes can just be

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Speaker 1: like things that we have done at spring training, mark

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Speaker 1: it down, all right?

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Speaker 2: All right? For Trevor, I'm Katie who we will talk

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Speaker 2: to you next week. Thanks for watching.

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Speaker 4: Be