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Speaker 3: dot com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday. We have an

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Speaker 2: Indeed, we do a lot of big things happening here

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Speaker 2: and around the world, so we'll update you on those protests.

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Speaker 2: Pete Hegseth had some significant testimony in front of Congress yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Moments did not go so well, so break all of

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Speaker 2: that down for you. Also. Gavin Newsom, obviously seizing the

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Speaker 2: moment to potentially further his presidential ambitions. Will break down

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Speaker 2: the political aspect of that as well. All eyes on

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Speaker 2: Israel and raw some very ominous signs that Israel may

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Speaker 2: be preparing to strike Iran. Martaza Hussein is going to

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Speaker 2: join us to break down those indications and what we

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Speaker 2: can say about that, and where those nuclear talks between

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Speaker 2: Trump and the Iranians are as of today. So break

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Speaker 2: all of that down for obviously extraordinarily consequential news there.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday we received word from the Trump administration that they

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Speaker 2: have a China deal we'll call it. It seems like

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Speaker 2: it's a framework at this point. We've got some of

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Speaker 2: the loose details Scott Bessett and others answering questions, so

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Speaker 2: we'll tell you what we know about that. We also

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Speaker 2: have some sort of reproach mol with Elon and Trump,

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Speaker 2: him posting yesterday at three or four am, which Emily

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Speaker 2: chance like fully break it down. He regrets, Yeah, some

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Speaker 2: those the things that he said went too far.

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Speaker 1: Soccer, Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 3: It appears to have been at high level broker talks

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Speaker 1: We'll see, you never know.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the protes All right, let's

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Speaker 2: Protests around the country and including La pretty quiet last night.

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Speaker 4: Or which guard.

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Speaker 5: And I'm trying to figure out if you decided to

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Speaker 6: Senator, if you noticed the initial order of two thousand

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Speaker 4: So part of it is getting ahead of.

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Speaker 6: A problem so that if in other places, if there

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Speaker 7: The National Guard was deployed here on January sixth, and

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Speaker 7: that was a decision made by the Department of Defense.

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Speaker 7: Do you support that decision? Do you believe that that

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Speaker 6: All I know is it's the right decision to be

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Speaker 7: But I think it's important to know whether you think

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Speaker 7: it was also important to have the National Guard defending

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Speaker 7: on the president's behalf. To make sure that folks know

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Speaker 6: Senator I was in the Washington, DC National Guard when

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Speaker 7: But do you support the decision made on January sixth

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Speaker 6: I support the decision that President Trump made and requesting

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Speaker 7: So you do not Trump, you do not support, you

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Speaker 2: So obviously two significant things there. First of all, no

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Speaker 2: we could federalize National Guard anywhere. And you know, really

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Speaker 2: important in the context of there are planned protests this

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Speaker 2: Trump himself said that protesters, not not violent protesters, just

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Speaker 2: actually good question from Senator Chris Murphy, because you know,

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Speaker 2: the January sixth riots were significantly more consequential and violent

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Speaker 2: but he is fully behind bringing it in in LA.

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Speaker 2: So before I played the next one, what did you

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Speaker 2: make of that soccer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Jan six element is one which

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Speaker 3: a lot of the insurrectionist stuff that is being used

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Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: We weren't critical about National Guard deployment at the time,

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Speaker 3: if you recall I was talking about it with Ryan.

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Speaker 3: I mean, all of those images of people sleeping on

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Speaker 3: We were effectively occupied in Washington for three months, and

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Speaker 1: It was useless. It was a completely unnecessary thing.

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Speaker 3: We have some five thousand US troops of some kind,

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Speaker 3: all this other stuff, but they actually not the case.

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Speaker 3: They're not even in Los Angeles right now at the moment.

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Speaker 3: So this is a colossal, you know, bit of expenditure

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Speaker 1: Like this is astounding.

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Speaker 3: And so I think that the more that this, you know, continues,

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Speaker 1: But also just the cost.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the cost does matter here where It's like

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Speaker 1: It's like you just blew ton.

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Speaker 3: There are times that over a weekend deployment to Los Angeles.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that I think we are trending.

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Speaker 3: You know, if we talked about the politics and stuff

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Speaker 3: come out of LA I do think things could turn

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to this next part,

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Speaker 2: because he gets asked in addition, okay, so under what

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Speaker 2: authority are the deployment of the Marines in particular, like,

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Speaker 2: what constitutional authority is justifying this extraordinary action with regard

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Speaker 2: to federalizing the National Guard and bringing in the Marines.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to how we

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Speaker 2: response to that.

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Speaker 8: Just specifically, mister secretary, what is the authority that the

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Speaker 8: administration is using to deploy active duty Marines to California neighborhoods?

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Speaker 4: What authority the president has constitutional authority? In order to support.

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Speaker 8: Site cite the provision of the Constitution.

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Speaker 4: I'd have to I'd have to pull up the specific provisions.

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Speaker 6: But our Office of General Council, alongside our leadership, has.

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Speaker 6: Set out that it's completely constitutional for the President to

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Speaker 6: use federal troops to.

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Speaker 4: Defend federal law enforcement administration.

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Speaker 7: I would are you prepared to authorize DHS to use

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Whatever I will not be attending, mostly because of traffic reasons.

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Speaker 2: Well, America's birthday doesn't fall on Trump's birthday, so that

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Speaker 1: Just the job.

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Speaker 2: All right, So that was that. In addition, Sager who

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Speaker 3: for for the first Trump administrative. Basically anytime they're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: the war fighters, the killers the US armies, just so

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Speaker 3: people know that is what a very average US army is.

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Speaker 1: Propaganda, that's the case.

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Speaker 2: And you know what any of these things, well not

446
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Speaker 2: any of them, but some of these things individually, like

447
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Speaker 2: the military parade. Yeah, this is a normal administration and

448
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Speaker 2: they're doing this quirpasthma. All right, I mean it's a

449
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Speaker 2: waste of money. Like what are we doing. We're destroying

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Speaker 2: the streets in DC.

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Speaker 3: They really don't ate that or like shitty streets anyway,

452
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Speaker 3: so maybe we can rebuild them properly.

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Speaker 2: As not great, but isn't the end of the world

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Speaker 2: no coming in the context of everything else, That's where

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Speaker 2: it becomes. You know, when you see the tanks being

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Speaker 2: rolled into DC at the time when they're threatening the

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Speaker 2: use of the National Guard, federalizing the National Guard in

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Speaker 2: cities across the country, and they're deploying active duty marines

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Speaker 2: against US citizens for like incredibly protectual reasons over the

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Speaker 2: objections of the elected governor of that state. And oh,

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Speaker 2: by the way, they're threatening to arrest the elected governor

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Speaker 2: of that state because he got elected. That's when I

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Speaker 2: see things like that, and you know, they add to

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Speaker 2: a picture that is to me deeply troubling. And the

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Speaker 2: last thing I'm saying that then we can move on

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Speaker 2: to Gavin some and how he is certainly enjoying his

467
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Speaker 2: moment in the sun with all of this. You know,

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Speaker 2: there are some there has been a pattern in this

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Speaker 2: administration where it's not just this moment, it's the attacks

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Speaker 2: on the universities, it's the you know, trying to bring

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Speaker 2: the media to heal, it's even the use of national

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Speaker 2: emergency to justify this wild terror fsham. Like, the consistent

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Speaker 2: pattern in this administration has been consolidation of power, and

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Speaker 2: it feels very much like we're coming to a crescendo

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Speaker 2: with that. And also Soger. One other you know note

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Speaker 2: of some of the contexts, which which you've gestured at

477
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Speaker 2: before is the quote unquote Big Beautiful Bill is wildly unpopular.

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Speaker 2: People see it as a giant giveaway to the rich,

479
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Speaker 2: because that's what it is. And so they're also trying

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Speaker 2: to use this moment of large scale anti ice protests

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Speaker 2: to make to refashion and rebrand the Big Beautiful Bill

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Speaker 2: as being about immigration. And you see Stephen Miller doing

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Speaker 2: this aggressively, going after Rand and the Libertarians who are

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Speaker 2: opposed to it and saying basically, if you oppose this,

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Speaker 2: and you oppose border security and oppose the present's agenda

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Speaker 2: on immigration, So I think that is another one of

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Speaker 2: the political goals, but they are trying to effectuate.

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Speaker 3: There's no question. I genuinely again, I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we have polls. Yesterday we covered immigration. Trump is the

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Speaker 3: strongest issue. I saw a quentnin peac poll. Roar recently

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Speaker 3: showed him underwater.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit hard to believe.

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Speaker 3: The numbers are a little bit too fantastical, but it

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised me if he's moving towards more fifty

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Speaker 3: to fifty. But there's no question on the bill. I

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Speaker 3: mean I flagged it from day one. I'm like, look,

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Speaker 3: they're going to do it, and it's going to be

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Speaker 3: massively unpopular. Yeah, there's just I mean, that's what the

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Speaker 3: tax cuts and job Zac story part of it was

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Speaker 3: in the first term. We're basically riding up almost the

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Speaker 3: exact same timeline with the passage of the so called

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Speaker 3: Big Beautiful Bill, and tying these two things together does

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Speaker 3: give them a lot of cover for eventually going home

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Speaker 3: and telling people what it's all about but of course America. Look,

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Speaker 3: Americans are smart at least in this regard. Anytime a

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Speaker 3: piece of tax legislation passes, they're like, hey, so what's

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Speaker 3: in this Exactly they're like, oh, okay, got it, you know,

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Speaker 3: not all much a surprise. And actually even yah, even

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Speaker 3: right now, there's all these stupid fights right now, even

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Speaker 3: in the Senate, to make sure that they at least

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Speaker 3: strip like some of the decent parts out of the bills.

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Speaker 1: So honestly, it can be a lot worse.

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Speaker 2: They want to take out with like tax on tips stuff.

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Speaker 3: They want to take out tax on tips or at

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Speaker 3: least you know, restricted, and then even the salt cap,

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Speaker 3: you know, they want to make it to lower it

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Speaker 3: even more, to anger some.

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Speaker 1: Of the Blue states.

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Speaker 3: It's just just stuff like that where it's just preposterous,

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Speaker 3: you know. But can I say this, I actually was

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Speaker 3: reading about the new salt thing.

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Speaker 1: It's a terrible thing. Basically, the income raise it so

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Speaker 1: that people who.

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Speaker 3: Are like upper middle class earners in California and New

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Speaker 3: York or at least like grandfather name to a more

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Speaker 3: modest thing. So it applies to the millionaires but not

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Speaker 3: to upper middle class people are like Okay, I think.

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Speaker 1: That's you know, relatively fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not bad.

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Speaker 3: I just say that I just want people to know, like,

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Speaker 3: the current way that the salt thing is structured, I

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Speaker 3: actually think is quite fair. They income cap it at

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Speaker 3: like four hundred thousand or something, basically making sure that

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Speaker 3: high property tax people in New York and California don't

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Speaker 3: get double screwed. Like, I think it's fine. At the

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Speaker 3: same time, we're not all shed in tears for people

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Speaker 3: making three or four hundred thousand a year. My point

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Speaker 3: just being that the bill, the bill itself is deeply unpopular.

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Speaker 3: A lot of what is all happening with this is

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Speaker 3: effectively like a gambit to distract. But you know what

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Speaker 3: we will soon talk about looms over all of this

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Speaker 3: is Iran, And actually that was where I would be

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Speaker 3: the most worried. And this is my great hope, and

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Speaker 3: I'll say it again, but you know, if there is

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Speaker 3: some sort of outbreak of conflict, then I would hope

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Speaker 3: that people really do take to the streets the way

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Speaker 3: that they did with the war in Iraq. Don't forget

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Speaker 3: millions of people took to the streets across the world

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Speaker 3: to protest that war. And that is also where we

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Speaker 3: could see significant you know, and the weaponization of this

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Speaker 3: great so called anti Semitism machine, you know, against people.

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Speaker 3: And if those two things are conflated, saying that war

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Speaker 3: with Iran is bad because it is anti Semitic, that's

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Speaker 3: probably where I worry most, especially with conflict on the

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Speaker 3: horizon right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, I do have some good news for you, which

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Speaker 2: is that mister Salt himself, Josh gottheimer handed to him

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Speaker 2: in the Democratic primary, came in fourth place with eleven

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Speaker 2: percent of the vote, so you know, he thought he

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Speaker 2: was really killing it.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know that's that is those are the richest

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Speaker 3: people in New.

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Speaker 2: Jersey, I guess yeah, constituents showed up him, and I'm

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Speaker 2: sure they'll give him more campaign funds in the future. Anyway, Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's go ahead and move on to Gavin Newsom. You know,

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Speaker 2: one of the interesting things here is Newsom really coming

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Speaker 2: into the Trump administration kind of misread the moment with

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Speaker 2: regard to the Democratic base. We talked about this before

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Speaker 2: he launched his podcast, seeing okay, it's a podcast moment,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna launch my podcast, And then he had on

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Speaker 2: people from the right like Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon

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Speaker 2: and Gavin Newsom is actually very good debater. Like I'm

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Speaker 2: not a big fan of Gavin Newsome, but you have to,

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Speaker 2: you know, acknowledge political TWL where it exists. He did

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Speaker 2: a great job in that debate versus Ron DeSantis that

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Speaker 2: was you know, very well received among the Democratic base,

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Speaker 2: got a lot of attention, et cetera. So he has

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Speaker 2: the chops to do it, and instead he invites on

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon and basically like lets them

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Speaker 2: berate him, and he just sort of like takes it.

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Speaker 2: And it's like, oh, I appreciate that. I appreciate that

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Speaker 2: Democratic base. At that point, we're looking for people who

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Speaker 2: are willing to fight. So that's how Bernie ends up,

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Speaker 2: you know, wildly popular at the base. AOC ends up

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Speaker 2: wildly popular with the bass. Jasmine Crockett has her moment

586
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Speaker 2: and becomes you know, this national figure, et cetera. So

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Speaker 2: he wildly misreads the moment. And obviously everyone knows this

588
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Speaker 2: man has been dreaming of being president for probably his

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Speaker 2: whole life, being the like sort of sociopathic individual that

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Speaker 2: he is, so he misreads things at the beginning now,

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Speaker 2: Trump has handed him this, you know, very large opportunity

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Speaker 2: in the national spotlight to stand up to Trump in

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Speaker 2: the way that a Democratic base and a lot of

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Speaker 2: independent voters I think want to see and in a

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Speaker 2: lot of ways, I do think he has met that moment.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, other Democrats are like, I mean

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Speaker 2: that Democratic Party is just so utterly pathetic. This thing

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Speaker 2: sagur about how they're not sure whether they should pick

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Speaker 2: this fight with Trump, and they don't know if this

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Speaker 2: is the police just did might just be distractions, Like,

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Speaker 2: could you just have some principle that you're willing to

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Speaker 2: stand for without taking a fucking focus group, poll tested

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Speaker 2: situation before you know what? Does? Like, it's so pathetic

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Speaker 2: and disgusting me, and it serves Gavin Newsom because then

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Speaker 2: he ends up being the only one out there in

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Speaker 2: the spotlight. So, all of that being said, Harry Enton

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Speaker 2: and CNN took a look at the Google search traffic

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Speaker 2: and how this is all playing into Newsom's twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: eight ambitions. Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, let's just start off. If Gavin Newsom wanted to

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Speaker 10: take on Donald Trump and loves the attention he has

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Speaker 10: one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: Gotte it.

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Speaker 1: Take a look here.

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Speaker 10: Google searches of Gavin Newsom with Donald Trump. Get this

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Speaker 10: up nine thousand, seven hundred percent versus a week ago.

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Speaker 10: More folks are googling Gavin Newsom's name with Donald Trump

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Speaker 10: than ever before in Google searches dating all the way

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Speaker 10: back since two thousand and four. Donald Trump was able

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Speaker 10: to make a name for himself through The Apprentice, through

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Speaker 10: all of his business adventures. He is now making a

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Speaker 10: name for Gavin Newsom, who seems more than willing to

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Speaker 10: relish in this fight. Should Democrats oppose Donald Trump? More

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Speaker 10: among Democrats? Look at this, eighty four percent. Eighty four

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Speaker 10: percent of Democrats nationwide say they want Democrats to take

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Speaker 10: on Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Moore.

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Speaker 10: This is not twenty seventeen anymore, where the majority of

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Speaker 10: Democrats want to compromise with Donald Trump. No, they want

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Speaker 10: a fighter with Donald Trump. Top chances to be the

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Speaker 10: twenty twenty eight nominee. Look, it's a clown car at

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Speaker 10: this particular point. All these candidates swish together. But you'll

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Speaker 10: notice that one name is ahead of the rest, and

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Speaker 10: that's Gavin Neussom at twelve percent.

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Speaker 11: You see a.

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Speaker 10: Kasu Cortes, ten Buddha Judge ten Shapiro six percent. But

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Speaker 10: Gavin Newsom certainly is up there right now in terms

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Speaker 10: of the candidates who are best impositioned to will get

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Speaker 10: that twenty twenty eight nomination.

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Speaker 2: And this is concerning to me because I'm not a

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Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom fan, you know, in terms of how he's

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Speaker 2: governed in California. Basically, if there's a conflicts between core

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Speaker 2: democratic based principles things like supporting labor unions or expanding

644
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Speaker 2: healthcare and donors, he's going with the donor. So that's

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Speaker 2: kind of the way you should understand his governance. So

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Speaker 2: the fact that I think he is doing himself a

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Speaker 2: lot of favors with the Democratic base, and I have

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Speaker 2: to say, like has been much more responsive on social media.

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Speaker 2: He really does sort of understand sour the new media

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Speaker 2: ecosystem a lot better.

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Speaker 1: I was talking down the prat with Ryan. I was like,

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Speaker 1: look at this dude.

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Speaker 3: His first interviews I see Brian Tyler Cohen and MIAs

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Speaker 3: type smart right Pod Save America were.

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Speaker 2: Smart for an interview by the way, Yeah he turned

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Speaker 2: us down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we tried try.

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Speaker 2: You wanted to stay with the solidly liberal.

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Speaker 1: It's annoying because but yeah, and we wouldn't be annoying

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Speaker 1: about it. I'm just I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, we'd ask them some real questions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would ask him for sure.

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Speaker 3: Questions, whatever we can table that. You know, Actually, Gavin

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Speaker 3: staff and I back in the day actually had a

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Speaker 3: decent exchange, so they should know we've I have been

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Speaker 3: fair to that.

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Speaker 2: He follows me on Twitter, so I thought maybe there

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Speaker 2: was a right.

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Speaker 3: Well, Calnia, California is our largest audience, So California, many

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Speaker 3: of you are constituents of Gavin Sotel gave to listen

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Speaker 3: to the people.

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Speaker 1: I doubt he will.

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Speaker 3: That's not exactly how the things work over there. No,

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Speaker 3: I do think he's actually handling himself quite well. I've

675
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Speaker 3: always been a newsome admirer for his sheer political talent.

676
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Speaker 3: I think he is clowned in very unfair ways. Like

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Speaker 3: I mean, I remember, I just thought there was no

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Speaker 3: way French laundry would ever happen, and like, don't. I

679
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 3: was like, there's no way that he doesn't that he

680
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Speaker 3: gets away with this. But he survived, not only survived

681
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Speaker 3: the recall election. Since then, is in broadly like popular issu.

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Speaker 3: He understands new media, and I think one of the

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Speaker 3: things I underestimated is, Look, California is a machine state.

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Speaker 3: The machine produces a lot of horrible politicians. But in general,

685
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Speaker 3: we shouldn't underestimate the governor of the large the most

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Speaker 3: popular state in the entire Union.

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Speaker 1: That has been a mistake.

688
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Speaker 2: The largest economy in the world, literally one of.

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Speaker 1: The largest economies in the world.

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Speaker 3: I mean, people underestimated Richard Nixon for being from California.

691
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Speaker 3: People underestimated Ronald Reagan from being from California. Like, California

692
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 3: looms large over our politics, always has for a long time,

693
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Speaker 3: and I think that with Gavin Newsom, that is where

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Speaker 3: his sheer political talent, which was on display with that

695
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Speaker 3: debate with Ron DeSantis.

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Speaker 1: Again you can debate like, oh.

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Speaker 3: Did he score a point here or there, like on

698
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Speaker 3: the Merits, it's not really about that. It's really about

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Speaker 3: his affectation. And the thing I've always said about Gavin

700
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Speaker 3: is Gavin loves the game more than anything else in

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Speaker 3: the world. He's got the black hole inside of him.

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Speaker 3: That's what you need, you know, Why else are you

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Speaker 3: going on Shan Hannity's show. That's nuts? Like why are

704
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Speaker 3: you texting Sean Hannity during his live broadcast, you know,

705
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Speaker 3: like quibbling with some of the things that Sean says,

706
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: Because you have to be obsessed with yourself and you

707
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Speaker 3: have to need that affirmation more than anything else in

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Speaker 3: the world, and that you can't teach that, like you

709
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: have to just be born with it. And so I

710
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: really see that inside of him, and especially now, like

711
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 3: with the way the stars are aligning, Gavin is learning

712
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 3: you know that that Steve Mann and Charlie Kirk stuff

713
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Speaker 3: that he was doing in the very beginning that's really

714
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Speaker 3: not the most.

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Speaker 1: Politically effect the strategy.

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Speaker 3: And he will now really align himself as like a

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Speaker 3: major resistance figure now. And he doesn't have the baggage

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Speaker 3: that Karen Bassett. That's another critical thing. Karen is so

719
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Speaker 3: horribly you know, just scarred by those fires. Yeah, Gavin

720
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Speaker 3: is the real leader of the liberal resistance right now.

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Speaker 11: True.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he just has more whatever than she has too. Yeah,

723
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Speaker 2: I mean he Here's the thing that I'm concerned about.

724
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Speaker 2: The Democratic base. Actually, Democratic congressional leaders are underwater with

725
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Speaker 2: the base that is very different from Trump one point. No,

726
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: they have been radicalized in a lot of regards. They

727
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: are disgusted with the Chuck Schumers and Keem Jeffries and

728
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: the like people who capitulated. And Gavin Newsom was very

729
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Speaker 2: much putting himself in that camp with the way that

730
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Speaker 2: he approached those interviews with Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon.

731
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Speaker 2: At first, when I saw his lineup for initial podcast guests,

732
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Speaker 2: I thought it could really benefit him if he was

733
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Speaker 2: going to go in and really spar with them. I mean,

734
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be vicious, but if he was

735
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Speaker 2: going to get into an exchange, have these viral moments

736
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: like that would have been really smart. What I'm concerned

737
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: about with the Democratic base is well, they want a

738
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Speaker 2: fighter and someone who's standing up to Trump. There is

739
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: a kind of like ideological neutrality. It's not like there's

740
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: they specifically want, like a particular policy agenda. They just

741
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: want people who get caught fighting. And that's where if

742
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Speaker 2: you have someone like a Gavin Newsom or a peat

743
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Speaker 2: Boot to judge for that matter, who are good at

744
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: going into spaces on Fox News and tussling with them,

745
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: and you know, good at doing like the performance of

746
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,959
Speaker 2: standing up to Trump, and I you know, and again

747
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Speaker 2: I hand it to gather. I think he's doing a

748
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: good job in this moment of you know, standing up

749
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Speaker 2: for California and standing up for his values, not backing

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Speaker 2: down all those sorts of things. I think that, you know,

751
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Speaker 2: that could be a you know, that could be something

752
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: that a Democratic base would be interested in, even though

753
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: on the merits in terms of what they offer policy wise,

754
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Speaker 2: it's like just more of the same sort of status

755
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 2: quo liberal type politicians. So in any case, he gave

756
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 2: his big like sort of primetime us put this up

757
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: on the screen. The New York Times analyzed this as

758
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: having a twenty twenty eight subtext, which I think you

759
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: would have to you know, be pretty silly and naive

760
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: not to see. They lead this off with when Gavin

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Speaker 2: Newsom stepped in front of a camera Tuesday evening. He

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Speaker 2: was a Californian governor addressing his constituents. But by the

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Speaker 2: time mister Newsom was finished, it was clear the governor

764
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: is speaking not only to his state, but to his

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Speaker 2: country and his beleaguered party. To Democrats looking for direction

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Speaker 2: in leadership. Mister Newsom used one of the highest profile

767
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Speaker 2: moments of his political career to lay out the threat

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Speaker 2: that He argued President Trump posed the nation and how

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Speaker 2: Americans should resist it, and he suggested he was the

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Speaker 2: man to lead that fight. Democracy is under assault right

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Speaker 2: before our eyes. Mister Newsom said, the moment we have

772
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 2: feared has arrived. And as I said before, the fact

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Speaker 2: that other Democrats are not so much stepping up to

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Speaker 2: the plate to defend California in an aggressive way, and

775
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Speaker 2: you know, are wary of picking this fight with Trump

776
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: and whatever it really has allowed him to grab and

777
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 2: capitalize on the moment. And then to the point of

778
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Speaker 2: the way he's using social media in a much more

779
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Speaker 2: sort of direct way, tussling with with Steven Miller and

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00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: other various Trump officials, even going back and forth with

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Speaker 2: you know, sort of like influencer types on the right

782
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: and asserting, you know, his position in all of these

783
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Speaker 2: things in real time. He also posted this this star

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Speaker 2: wars I guess not meme, but of reading the Emperor,

785
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Speaker 2: reading one of Trump's stories of gundagalism.

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Speaker 4: Of this.

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Speaker 12: Once great American city, LUs Angeles has been invaded and

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Speaker 12: occupied by illegal aliens and criminals. Now violent insurrectionist moves

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Speaker 12: are swarming and attacking our federal agents to try and

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Speaker 12: stop deportation operations.

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Speaker 2: Scacer thought it was kind of grant. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I thought I was gonna.

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Speaker 1: Political Star Wars is grant.

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Speaker 3: I had to listen to love Star Wars all right,

795
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 3: like we were talking earlier, and ors awesome. Tony Gilroy's

796
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 3: absolutely good status. But unfortunately when politicians try to invoke

797
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 3: the Evil Empire or any of that stuff, it just

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Speaker 3: it absolutely doesn't work for me. I will also acknowledge

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Speaker 3: it's the most basic level of like memification on the

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Speaker 3: Internet when talking about big stuffs, So I have to

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00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 3: only assume it will largely go over well with a

802
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 3: lot of people. You can always assume that you know

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00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: the worst in terms of in terms of his popularity,

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Speaker 3: I do think I think broadly him at Pete Boodha

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Speaker 3: Jedge are handling himself very well. It kills me to say,

806
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 3: it kills me to say to watch these two people.

807
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 3: But I didn't have enough of a chance to talk

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Speaker 3: about Buddha Judge on Flagrant.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he did well, like it got millions of views.

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Speaker 3: There's a viral video of him where Andrew's like, so

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00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: what do you want He's like, I want you to

812
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 3: be able to get up in the morning and be able.

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Speaker 1: To go to it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was everywhere, and you know, it led

815
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: to there's a New New York Times profile about some

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00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 3: of the broadcasters or whatever. But if mentions that interview

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00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 3: with Andrew Schultz specifically, we had Bernie Sanders that was

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00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:05,959
Speaker 3: more recently there as well, very.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean. These these are the people

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Speaker 1: who understand.

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Speaker 3: The meat the current media environment, and they also they

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Speaker 3: want to play.

823
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Speaker 1: They're willing to take risks.

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Speaker 3: That's something we talked about yesterday on the theo Von segment.

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00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 3: It's like, just take a risk, like yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: Schultz was making like hooker jokes at one point. Buddha

827
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 3: Judge is clearly uncomfortable, but it's like as part of it,

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Speaker 3: you know, and a lot of people just don't want

829
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 3: to sit there and they don't want to take it.

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00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 3: But you know, with risk comms reward, Trump showed us

831
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 3: that's a very effective communication strategy and it's definitely one

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Speaker 3: that should be cemented now at this time.

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Speaker 1: So well, yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know, both of them have that annoying ass Obama cadence,

835
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: which to me should be just qualifying from the jump.

836
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Speaker 2: Just on that on that alone. Let alone there, you know,

837
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Speaker 2: status quo neoliberal politics. But I mean, I will, I

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00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: will put that in there. Especially with Gavin, there is

839
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: just something about him that reads used car salesman. Is

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00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 2: he does read just like typical slimy politician. That's just

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00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: the vibe you get from I've always thought he looks

842
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: like a vampire from a movie. And so you know,

843
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: it's not a lock in. But he's certainly using this

844
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: moment to the greatest effect that he possibly can to

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Speaker 2: bolster his chances in twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, we're very excited now to be joined by Mortaza Hussein.

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Speaker 3: He is a national security and foreign affairs correspondent for

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Speaker 3: Drop site News. Great friends of the show, it's good

849
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 3: to see you man, Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 11: Thank it seious.

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Speaker 1: All right, well you.

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Speaker 3: Join us at a very very consequential time, my friend,

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Speaker 3: let's go ahead and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 3: We have major developments across the Middle East. CBS News

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Speaker 3: and multiple other outlets reporting quote Israel is poised to

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Speaker 3: launch an operation on Iran so mas. What we know

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Speaker 3: so far from inside the administration is that this is

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Speaker 3: being sold allegedly as Israel is poised to strike Iran

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Speaker 3: without US approval, But it appears, of course the US

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Speaker 3: at least has some forewarning its own intelligence, perhaps even

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Speaker 3: at diplomatic channels. Things are all over the place in

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Speaker 3: terms of what's actually happening. There has been widespread now

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Speaker 3: evacuation or at least voluntarily evacuation of the departure of

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Speaker 3: dependence in the in the US military bases across the region.

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Speaker 3: President Donald Trump has reacted very ominously. I'm gonna play

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Speaker 3: this and then we're gonna get your reaction. Let's take

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Speaker 3: a listen.

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Speaker 2: Could you provide an update on Iran.

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Speaker 3: We're hearing reports that US personnel are being moved out

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Speaker 3: of the region within striking distance.

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Speaker 9: Well, they are being moved out because it could be

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Speaker 9: a dangerous place, and we'll see what happens. But they are,

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Speaker 9: We've given notice to move out, and we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 6: Is there anything that can be done to dial the

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Speaker 6: temperature down in the region.

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Speaker 9: They can't have a nuclear weapon, very simple, they can't

877
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 9: have a nuclear weapent.

878
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: We're not going to allow that.

879
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 10: Say it, wal are US competants of military personnel?

880
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: Bob used, That's the same thing you.

881
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 3: Some ominous stuff there. Mausei is basically like, yeah, it

882
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: could be a dangerous place. So combined with the Israel reporting,

883
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: what can you tell us?

884
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's unfortunate because about a month and a half ago,

885
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 13: it seemed like the situation is much more optimistic, and

886
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 13: I think I would attribute the change to changing statements

887
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 13: from Steve Wikoff and people in Congress as well too.

888
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 13: At the start of the process, Wikoff was saying that

889
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 13: the US would be okay with the Iranians having low

890
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 13: level nuclear enriishment for civilian purposes, which will be monitored

891
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 13: and so forth by the International Atomic Energy Agency, and

892
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 13: the Iranians are okay with that. They don't necessarily want

893
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 13: a nuclear bomb per se. They could have pursued one

894
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 13: some years ago, but they're a great costs associated with

895
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 13: having a bomb. It will kiss off many of their

896
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 13: neighbors separate from the US, would probably start an arms

897
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 13: race in the Middle East as well too. It could

898
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 13: trigger war at least for a short term with the

899
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 13: US or other parties.

900
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 11: So they have said they.

901
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 13: Don't want a bomb, but they don't want to dismantle

902
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 13: their entire nuclear energy program, which they spend many many

903
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 13: years building it's an issue of national pride as well too.

904
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 13: So Wickcoff now is taking a very very expressing or

905
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 13: conveying a very very maximal's position, which is kind of

906
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 13: like the Libya position. And people remember Libya agreed to

907
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 13: dismantle his entire putative capacity for developing everything, which even

908
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 13: could be a WND, and that didn't end very well

909
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 13: for Libya. It wasn't a very advisable path if you

910
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 13: look at from the Libyan's perspective.

911
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 3: Getting sodomized on television. You know, I mean, that's honest

912
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 3: about what happened here.

913
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 13: Yeah, Yeah, the Libyans agreed to dismantle and then they

914
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 13: were attacked and their leadership was killed and driven to

915
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 13: excel and many terrible things.

916
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 11: So the Iranians do not want to repeat that. So effectively,

917
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 11: we have.

918
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 13: A situation where the US red line that's currently publicly

919
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 13: express and the Iranian red line is in commensurate. The

920
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 13: US is saying now that they can't have any enrichment

921
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 13: at all, the Iranians saying, will never give up our richment.

922
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 13: So in this case, it creates a situation where a

923
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 13: conflict would become inevitable unless one side would a compromise,

924
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,959
Speaker 13: it back down. And I think what we saw last

925
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 13: couple of days our attempts to maybe do psychological operations

926
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 13: saying that the Israeli is going to attack you if

927
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 13: you don't compromise on the subject. But so what we

928
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 13: seem so far the runnings do not seem to be

929
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 13: backing down. Say, they escalated quite a bit, saying that

930
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 13: they may withdraw from their nuclear treaties and take other

931
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 13: steps in response to that.

932
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 11: As well too.

933
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 13: So I think unfortunately we've had a situation where a

934
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 13: deal was very, very attainable, but now at least the

935
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 13: last forty eight hours seemed a lot less.

936
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: So, and Ma's how do you assess the likelihood that

937
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: Israel will strike Iran? Obviously you have the personnel being

938
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: pulled from the region, that's one indication. You also have

939
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: various people now going out and saying they're really close to,

940
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 2: you know, achieving a nuclear weapon, which we always hear,

941
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: you know, before the war drums start beating. So how

942
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: likely do you think it is that we are on

943
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: the prespose of some sort of Israeli action? Also, given

944
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: the fact that it appears Trump has several times a

945
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: couple times during the course of this negotiation sort of

946
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,479
Speaker 2: pushed them off and said, no, you can't strike Iran

947
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: at this point.

948
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, the Israeli modus operanda is usually to

949
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 13: strike with people not expecting it, not to telegraph it's

950
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 13: happening beforehand. So what you see in the last couple

951
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 13: of days is a tremendous amount of signaling and telegraphing,

952
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 13: which makes you think this is more at least for now, psychological.

953
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 13: They're not necessarily preparing for an imminent attack. But you know,

954
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 13: there are top schedules for this weekend between the US

955
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 13: and Iran in Oman, and based on what happens in

956
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 13: those talks, situations could change. But I think if the

957
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 13: Israelis do attack, or someone does attack, they won't be

958
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 13: this lead up that's very very public where they're issuing

959
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 13: statements publicly and evacuating people in a very very notable manner.

960
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 13: I think they would have strike, try to use the

961
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 13: element of surprise as much as possible.

962
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 11: But I think the thing is.

963
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 13: The Iranians, if they really do believe that the Israelis

964
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 13: or even the US is going to attack them, They're

965
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,479
Speaker 13: gonna take preparations beforehand. They're going to try to move

966
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 13: as much nuclear material out of the likely to be

967
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 13: targeted sites beforehand. They may withdraw from certain treaties or

968
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 13: expel inspectors so they can take their nuclear materials completely

969
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 13: into private. So actually, you know, even from the perspective,

970
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 13: if you want to stop an Iranian nuclear weapon, attacking

971
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 13: is kind of a really bad option because the Iranians

972
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 13: it's a huge country. First of all, it's almost nine

973
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 13: million people. It's a very very big land mass. It's

974
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 13: not like Iraq. It's much much more challenging than Iraq

975
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 13: to attack for foreign country. And if they withdraw from

976
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 13: these treaties, there's not only much you can do. You

977
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 13: can maybe attack them once, but then how do you

978
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 13: even have to keep attacking them forever? Really to figure

979
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 13: out where the nuclear materials are. The knowledge won't be

980
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 13: taken out of the country, You'll still be there. You

981
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 13: may have to invade the country even to stop or

982
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,959
Speaker 13: to root out the new suspected nuclear sites. Attacking Iran

983
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 13: will not be a one off affair. It wouldn't be

984
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 13: a week long or a couple of days or even

985
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 13: a month. It will probably take the entire Trump term

986
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 13: or even longer. Beyond that being involved militarily in the country,

987
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 13: if you really want to stop the nuclear program, if

988
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 13: they would draw from the treaties. So I think that

989
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 13: the deal really dissatisfy everyone's needs. It satisfies their own

990
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 13: need to maintain some civilian program. The Trump administration wants

991
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 13: to pivot that China doesn't want to have more wars

992
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 13: in the Middle East. I think the American public is very,

993
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 13: very exhausted and disenchanted with this. So a deal really

994
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 13: is the path of least resistance. But because I think

995
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 13: that maybe a poison pill has been imputed in this

996
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 13: deal based on what we've seen with the Witcoff's evolutionary statements,

997
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 13: it's moved from agreeing to civilian Richmond and nothing. I

998
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,959
Speaker 13: think the people in the US who do want a war,

999
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 13: and they suggest they successfully put that change of position in,

1000
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 13: but it's not really a good solution for anybody. It's

1001
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 13: bad for Iranian it's bad for Americans, bad for Israelis

1002
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 13: even to have the major war where they run for many,

1003
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,959
Speaker 13: many years. But that's the path we're on right now.

1004
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 13: Barring some heroic diplomacy on Sunday, well.

1005
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: We can talk about that. So at the very least.

1006
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 3: There were initial comments that were made that there would

1007
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 3: be no more or not a sixth round of talks. Now,

1008
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 3: fortunately for US, we can put this up on the screen.

1009
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 3: The Omani foreign minister confirmed that talks will happen between

1010
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 3: Steve Witkoff and between Iran's foreign minister. However, mas At

1011
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 3: the same time, we do know that Israel's head of

1012
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: Mosad and their minister Ron Dermer will be meeting with

1013
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 3: Steve Witkoff, apparently ahead of said meeting again potentially for

1014
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 3: su coordination of what exactly. We don't know, but this

1015
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 3: last round of talks seems very critical because of the

1016
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 3: position where US intelligence now saying that Israel is basically

1017
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 3: poised to strike Iran. There's a lot of pressure on

1018
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 3: the Iranians in the US there. I'm what is your

1019
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 3: assessment if this does not come to some decent conclusion

1020
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 3: in this round, is it even possible for us to

1021
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 3: have another round or are we going to see the

1022
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 3: prelude to, like you said, withdrawing from agreements. I believe

1023
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 3: Iran just got rebuked this morning by the IAEA over

1024
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: nuclear materials. So things do seem to be trending, you know,

1025
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 3: in a very bad direction. Unless things go well during

1026
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 3: these talks.

1027
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 13: It is a problem to that Masade officials and Ron

1028
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 13: Dhermer and bring around the talks from the beginning.

1029
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 11: They've been in Rome, they've been wherever the talks are happening.

1030
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 13: They're either briefing Wi Cough beforehand or just being in

1031
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 13: the area to let them know that their position is very,

1032
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 13: very important in these talks. So, you know, to be honest,

1033
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 13: I'm not particularly optimistic, unfortunately about the Sunday talks. So

1034
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 13: though the talks this weekend, it seems like a last

1035
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 13: ditch effort, and you know they're strong, there are strong

1036
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 13: motivations for both sides to come to some of the

1037
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 13: tent War is not good for the Iranians.

1038
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 11: War is not good for the US.

1039
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 13: Either the Trump administration or Space wants to see another

1040
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 13: war like this, but they're not box themselves the situation

1041
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 13: where it's almost you know, I wouldn't say inevitable, but

1042
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 13: it's become much more likely than it needs to be.

1043
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 11: I think that these talks that may be the last

1044
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 11: efforts to.

1045
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 13: See if any sort of compromise agreement can be found,

1046
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 13: and if not, you could see Israeli strikes in Iran.

1047
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 13: But the issue is, you know, if Israel does it alone,

1048
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 13: quote unquote, it will still have tremendous US intelligence, logistic,

1049
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 13: and other support. But also it's very very likely that

1050
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 13: the fortified nuclear positions that Iran has cannot be destroyed

1051
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 13: by Israeli aircraft or munitions. They need American B two's

1052
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 13: and thirty thousand pound bombs to actually destroy these. So

1053
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 13: almost inevitably, the Israeli attacks most likely will do an

1054
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 13: insufficient damage to the Iranian sites, and the US would

1055
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 13: feel compelled to become involved. And if the Iranians retaliate,

1056
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 13: which they said they will, they would also create great

1057
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 13: pressure for the US to get involved in defend Israel

1058
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 13: as well too from those attacks. So I think, unfortunately,

1059
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 13: even though nobody wants it, everyone's still fed up of

1060
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 13: wars in the Middle East. We're really headed towards the

1061
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 13: situation where not just a warning Middle East, but the

1062
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 13: biggest war we've ever had in the Middle East could

1063
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 13: be right on our doorstep, just you know, in a

1064
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 13: few weeks. So I think that people in the administration

1065
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 13: or you know, support have communication with the administrations should

1066
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 13: sort of impress as much as they can that how

1067
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 13: close we are, how unnecessary it all is, and how

1068
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 13: important this diplomacy this weekend and beyond is to avoid

1069
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 13: what could be a very very disaster situation.

1070
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: Last question that I have for you, Maz, the Trump

1071
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: administrations try to posture like, oh, Israel might strikeer On,

1072
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: we have nothing to do with it. Let's say they

1073
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 2: maintain that pasture Israel does striger On. Is anyone going

1074
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: to believe that we had nothing to do with it,

1075
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: that this was just Israel acting of their own accord?

1076
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 11: I don't think so.

1077
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 13: This very very obvious close coordination with the US and Israel. Also,

1078
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 13: the US arms Israel, that all the arms come from

1079
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 13: the US. If it's real purchase those arms would be

1080
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 13: be privatively expensive actually for them to carry out the

1081
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 13: operations they are and now so there is not really

1082
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 13: the great acceptance of that. But that said, of course,

1083
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 13: Iron would like to avoid the direct confrontation with the

1084
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 13: US itself. It said it would target American bases if

1085
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 13: the US attacked it. But if there's some plausible deniability,

1086
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,479
Speaker 13: it's kind of useful for both sides to say, well,

1087
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 13: it was between US and israelis technically but that said,

1088
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 13: I do think for the technical reasons I laid out,

1089
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 13: there's a very strong involvement, even if initially it's only

1090
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Speaker 13: the Israelis directly carrying out the strikes, that the Americans

1091
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Speaker 13: could become the US military could become involved in the

1092
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Speaker 13: conflict directly simply to the only the US military can

1093
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 13: really destroy these sites or more as a greatest chance

1094
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Speaker 13: of doing so. And when, if and when the Iranians retaliate,

1095
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Speaker 13: the political pressure in the US to step in to

1096
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Speaker 13: defend Israel to attack more sites inside Iran with American

1097
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Speaker 13: military weaponry, it will be great. And you know, the

1098
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Speaker 13: Israeli Is, they do punch above their way for their size,

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Speaker 13: but they are the most bigger country in Israel, and

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00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 13: really to balance the scales, the Israelis need America to

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Speaker 13: be involved in the war. And I think the entire

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Speaker 13: strategy in Natanyahu and Dermer and so forth is to

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Speaker 13: force America into a conflict because they can't. They feel

1104
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Speaker 13: they can't do it alone. They can't achieve what they

1105
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 13: want to alone, and they really need America to be

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Speaker 13: involved in war in the Middle East or at least

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Speaker 13: another generation.

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Speaker 3: We already have the playbook, right they blew up an embassy,

1109
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Speaker 3: and then the Iranians struck back and guests who shot

1110
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Speaker 3: down ninety nine percent of the incoming projectiles, not them, right, Yeah,

1111
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 3: it's like this is this has already happened. In fact,

1112
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Speaker 3: that was you know, the groundwork for this right now.

1113
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Speaker 3: And by the way, if it costs one billion dollars

1114
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Speaker 3: just to shoot down some silly drones and a couple

1115
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Speaker 3: of missiles, what do you think is going to happen

1116
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,959
Speaker 3: if they actually hit nuclear centrifuges and we see real

1117
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Speaker 3: stuff start flying through the air. This is not a joke,

1118
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Speaker 3: as you said, and part of the reason why we

1119
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Speaker 3: see this widespread now evacuation of dependent military forces. I mean,

1120
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Speaker 3: the US embassy in Jerusalem is telling people don't leave

1121
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 3: the country now for some time. They are taking this

1122
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 3: very very seriously, and they don't just do this for

1123
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Speaker 3: no reason.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, We really appreciate your analysis. I you know, I

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Speaker 1: hope you're not right. I think you are.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think I think these weekends talks are

1127
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Speaker 3: genuine make or break and I guess we should all

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Speaker 3: just start talking about how Trump is the greatest diplomatic

1129
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Speaker 3: figure and we should give him the Nobel Prize. Yes,

1130
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Speaker 3: I will fly to Stockholm, bring us back.

1131
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Speaker 2: In the deal. He got us out of three ways.

1132
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Speaker 3: Just get us, get us a deal, do something, because otherwise,

1133
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Speaker 3: you know we're headed for bad, bad waters.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us, my friend. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate it.

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Speaker 11: Thans Gus