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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to the Buck Brief. On this episode, our
Speaker 2: friend Matthew Tiermand.
Speaker 3: He is a.
Speaker 2: Political journalist, a globe trotter, a man who knows his
Speaker 2: way around the world. He can blend in, speak so
Speaker 2: many languages, know so many folks. They'll never catch him.
Speaker 2: Remember that scene in Indiana Jones is awesome and then
Speaker 2: the guy's like, hello, everybody, where do I go? I
Speaker 2: can't find out it? You know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 3: Yes, I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm not very Indiana Jones, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: go around with a shovel and a bull whip.
Speaker 2: That's probably a good thing for your political journalism career.
Speaker 2: I want to start because these are some interesting stories
Speaker 2: out there. We're getting into the end of the year
Speaker 2: and so you know, people are starting to shut down.
Speaker 2: I feel like people have heard some stuff about some
Speaker 2: people or some countries politically that's interesting to us here
Speaker 2: at home, and you can break all this stuff down. First,
Speaker 2: this guy mill Am I l e. I. He's the
Speaker 2: new president of Argentina, you were in Argentina right recently,
Speaker 2: and you could tell like, tell tell me about that,
Speaker 2: tell me what you were doing there? And why is
Speaker 2: this guy Melay? I mean, he's got some great clips
Speaker 2: where he's just like saying he's gonna cut this in
Speaker 2: that government agency. People say he's kind of an Argentine
Speaker 2: Trump guy in some ways, or at least takes that
Speaker 2: outside or approach or whatever. Yeah, well you're you're the expert.
Speaker 2: Tell me about it. What were you doing there and
Speaker 2: what do we need to know about Milay in Argentina.
Speaker 1: I was there for the inauguration. I've started covering Latin
Speaker 1: America pretty in depth the last couple of years, especially
Speaker 1: with Brazil, and I was, you know, I'd been to
Speaker 1: Brazil a couple of years ago for Brazilian seapack with
Speaker 1: Jason Miller and we got detained after we met with
Speaker 1: ball Sceonnaro and interrogated, and so I started going deep
Speaker 1: dive on the corruption across Latin America and Latin American politics.
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, this is interesting, this is tru I'm
Speaker 2: sorry I had to jump in up. I want you
Speaker 2: to keep going on this, but detained, Like, who detained
Speaker 2: you for talking to Baalsonaro under what.
Speaker 1: Pretext because we met with Ballsonnaro and you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know how close to your audience followed the saga
Speaker 1: that was the election in twenty twenty two and the
Speaker 1: turnover and power in twenty three when Ballsnaarer got turfed
Speaker 1: out under very questionable circumstances. But we were there when
Speaker 1: he was president, and the Supreme Court, who has their
Speaker 1: own federalized police force, detained us in the airport and
Speaker 1: wanted to know everybody we met with. They wanted us
Speaker 1: to write down in a list all the journalists and politicians,
Speaker 1: opposition and ruling class politicians, we met with, think tank leaders,
Speaker 1: anybody like this, because they were very, very Stasi like
Speaker 1: in their going after Ballsnarer, and they ended up winning
Speaker 1: that battle, and Brazil fell and it's now run by Lula,
Speaker 1: which is why Argentina which such a surprise, because Brazil
Speaker 1: was sort of a bulwark, the largest economy there, two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million people out of five hundred million,
Speaker 1: half the population in South America, and it was kind
Speaker 1: of a back and forth between right and left until
Speaker 1: this cycle when the left fully took over, and then
Speaker 1: everyone figured okay, Latin America's gone. Colombia, which was a
Speaker 1: righty bulwark, fell to a forum so Powa marks a
Speaker 1: narco trafficante gorilla named Petro who has horrible approval ratings,
Speaker 1: So there's some hope that may pendulum shift back. And Chile,
Speaker 1: another right wing bulwark, also fell to a Marxist named
Speaker 1: borach So Argentina which has been led by Marxist the
Speaker 1: better part of the last thirty five years, with the
Speaker 1: exception of one little respite which was about eight years
Speaker 1: ago under Macree that was kind of written off. But
Speaker 1: amidst this hyperinflation one hundred and forty percent, Argentina is
Speaker 1: known as the sort of economic basket case of the
Speaker 1: West and in Latin America for so many decades since
Speaker 1: the parentist socialist movements. Everybody remember the musical A Vita
Speaker 1: Don't Cry for Me Argentina. Well, that was a Hollywood
Speaker 1: hay geography of horrible Marxist who screwed up one of
Speaker 1: the wealthiest and prosperous, prolific societies in the Western hemisphere. Well,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the hyperinflation, the misery, the poverty,
Speaker 1: It finally led to the bow breaking and them electing
Speaker 1: a rite and not just any righty an arch libertarian iconoclast.
Speaker 1: I mean this is a guy who's not we think
Speaker 1: of left right politics. I mean, this is a guy
Speaker 1: who's in a narco capitalist, a libertarian on steroids, who
Speaker 1: believes that, like Ludwig von Misis said, government's essentially the
Speaker 1: negation of liberty, government is an evil unto itself. So
Speaker 1: they just elected as head of the government a guy
Speaker 1: who doesn't believe in government. So it is a bit
Speaker 1: of a sea change. And I was since I covered
Speaker 1: Latin America the last couple of years, I was invited
Speaker 1: to the inauguration and.
Speaker 3: I went and it was eye opening.
Speaker 1: The optimism and hope in the streets is really unlike
Speaker 1: anything you've seen anywhere where people are so beaten down
Speaker 1: by a tough, tough hand that they've dealt. I mean,
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty percent inflation. The highest denominated bill
Speaker 1: people use is a thousand pesos and you have to
Speaker 1: walk around with a brick of it. This thick just
Speaker 1: to you know, buys a cheap meal. I mean, people
Speaker 1: are walking around with five hundred thousand pesos and it's
Speaker 1: like you literally have to have briefcases with you to
Speaker 1: buy goods, and the rates that credit cards charges are
Speaker 1: much much higher than the cash rate, which is black
Speaker 1: market driven. So there's some weird dynamics going on there
Speaker 1: that we don't even understand in the West. And he
Speaker 1: was elected to sort of reverse this, and he has
Speaker 1: this massive mandate unparalleled in Latin America, especially where communists
Speaker 1: have been ushered in with such regularity last thirty years.
Speaker 1: It's really fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems to me that we somehow lose sight
Speaker 2: of this in America, but Latin America overall is kind
Speaker 2: of go in full comedy these days.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Forum sell Paalo, it really dates back to nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1: There's this group, the Forum sall Paalo in Brazilian and
Speaker 1: Portuguese forau Sapalo, which was formed by Lula da Silva,
Speaker 1: the current President of Brazil and Fidel Castro in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety when the Soviet Union fell.
Speaker 3: People remember their Cold War history.
Speaker 1: The Soviet Union was using Cuba as its staging point
Speaker 1: for revolutions all over Latin America. They were very successful
Speaker 1: in places like Nicaragua, Peru, Bolivia, El Salvador at one point,
Speaker 1: but all that Soviet money was coming into Havana and
Speaker 1: Fidel Castro was doling it out to ferment these coups
Speaker 1: and revolutions. Obviously, the most successful one the Forum Cell
Speaker 1: Palo took over in terms of a larger country was Venezuela.
Speaker 1: Hugo Chavez was a product of the Forum Cell Palo,
Speaker 1: so they sort of took the reins from the Soviets
Speaker 1: and they just kept on notching win after win. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you look across the map of not just South America,
Speaker 1: but Central America, it's Nicaragua, El Salvador, Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador, Venezuela, Chile,
Speaker 1: now Brazil, now Colombia, Argentina for the last fifteen years
Speaker 1: with Kirchner and Fernandez, and this was the first time
Speaker 1: a Forum Cell Palo sort of power hold was broken
Speaker 1: with Malay's election, and it really is owed to something
Speaker 1: very simple. They had paper ballots as part of the
Speaker 1: Argentinian constitution, unlike Brazil where there were marches in the street.
Speaker 1: I was there with Bolsonaro when they were pushing for
Speaker 1: paper ballots and people were demanding give us auditible ballots
Speaker 1: and the government said no, everything's digital.
Speaker 3: And we saw what happened in December was.
Speaker 2: The Brazilian election. You know, I don't think a lot
Speaker 2: of people followed this that closely. I saw some stuff
Speaker 2: in the Walsh. Was it stolen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, there's a reason why
Speaker 1: there were so many people from the cross sections of
Speaker 1: society protesting in the streets for months, from the first
Speaker 1: round to the second round, to the second round to
Speaker 1: the inauguration. The heavy handedness of the same Supreme Court
Speaker 1: I mentioned that had detained myself from my traveling party
Speaker 1: in early in twenty twenty two. They were acting like
Speaker 1: a Stazi doing every day. Let Lula out of prison.
Speaker 1: Lula was in people forget del Marussev and the previous
Speaker 1: Marxist government was actually indicted, kicked out and put in
Speaker 1: jail under Operation car Wash, where they were selling state
Speaker 1: assets to the Chinese for cash and bags laundered through
Speaker 1: a chain of car washes, and this operation car Wash,
Speaker 1: and the court let Lula out and then put their
Speaker 1: thumbs on the scale. They said that to criticize election
Speaker 1: processes was a felony. There was a January eighth, like
Speaker 1: January sixth, where they the protesters came into the main building,
Speaker 1: they locked the doors, they rested him. They're still rotting
Speaker 1: in jail. So the global playbook on how to obfuscate,
Speaker 1: steal elections and circumvent the natural information flow around elections, well,
Speaker 1: the Latin Americans have done it very heavy handedly. And
Speaker 1: of course the same machines and mechanisms that were used
Speaker 1: in Brazil were coming out of Venezuela, the same electronics
Speaker 1: so to speak with that were developed out of Chavez's
Speaker 1: government circa two thousand and one that helped him maintain
Speaker 1: total control because there was a referendum that he forced
Speaker 1: through on himself and disbanding the checks and balances in
Speaker 1: Venezuelan government. Shavas was elected initially in a honest Pleva site,
Speaker 1: but then they took control and it became very dishonest
Speaker 1: very quickly. While Brazil was the reducts of that and
Speaker 1: Argentina by virtue of the paper ballots that they've maintained,
Speaker 1: they couldn't even attempt to steal it because it was
Speaker 1: so overwhelming. Malay's popularity. Malay had a very interesting rise
Speaker 1: to prominence in politics. He was a radio host much
Speaker 1: like yourself, Buck, you can be running for president in
Speaker 1: South American countries potentially.
Speaker 2: I mean I wouldn't need it. I would be awesome.
Speaker 2: They would vote for me just based on on the hair,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: But I'd vote for you on on your second Amendment
Speaker 3: stands certainly that well, thank you.
Speaker 2: Anybody covers like amendens stance, more guns better, That's that's
Speaker 2: what I.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 3: I like this Malay guy.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about what's going on in
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Speaker 2: All right, what happened in Holland aka the Netherlands, I
Speaker 2: mean that one.
Speaker 1: Came out of left field. Argentina was widely expected, but
Speaker 1: get Wilders and his party Party for Freedom then. Now
Speaker 1: he's been a fixture in Dutch politics for twenty something years.
Speaker 1: He rose up in sort of public debate opposition to
Speaker 1: the Islamification of North central Europe, of the Netherlands, of Belgium,
Speaker 1: of France because in the late nineties and early two
Speaker 1: thousands there were some very ugly political assassinations, Theo Van
Speaker 1: Goh and Pimphotun, journalists who are critical of Islam. Bruce Bauer,
Speaker 1: great journalist, writes for Gatestone, sometimes does some great work.
Speaker 2: One did he write the book while Europe Slept? Because
Speaker 2: I read that book?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And he because he was He's an American who actually
Speaker 1: went to Amsterdam to live in Amsterdam, so he watched
Speaker 1: the slow motion car wreck that was the Islamification of
Speaker 1: northern Europe. But in the nineties and early two thousands
Speaker 1: this really accelerated and so Bilders sort of rose up
Speaker 1: as a public figure in the public debate around this subject,
Speaker 1: had a fatwa against him, has you know, half a
Speaker 1: dozen armed security guards at all times around him. And
Speaker 1: he wrote a great book called Mark for Death, which
Speaker 1: really delves into sort of the Quranic precepts of immigration,
Speaker 1: Islamic immigration into the West and what their goals are
Speaker 1: and their mechanisms for a wholesale takeover that'll take generations,
Speaker 1: and we're probably in the fourth or fifth inning on.
Speaker 1: But he's been around and there have been other righty
Speaker 1: parties and they've sort of split the vote, but the
Speaker 1: other righty parties have been weakening. And then with everything
Speaker 1: that was happening in North central Europe, not just his lumification,
Speaker 1: but the sort of Eurocentric control over sovereignty and the Dutch,
Speaker 1: especially with their agricultural sector. Mark Rute, who is supposedly
Speaker 1: a center right politician, the last prime minister, two term
Speaker 1: prime minister, he allowed for the agricultural sector to be
Speaker 1: nationalized by Fiat, by Fiat of the Dutch government, and
Speaker 1: so they were massive protests of farmers on the street
Speaker 1: and they were basically selling out the right of their
Speaker 1: agricultural sector to sort of major global concerns, and so
Speaker 1: people rose up against it, and Gear's populism just struck
Speaker 1: a nerve. Nobody saw this coming. I've got a lot
Speaker 1: of Dutch politician friends in the different parties. Nobody saw
Speaker 1: this coming. That in this moment, the anger sort of
Speaker 1: forged a crucible. October seventh I think had a lot
Speaker 1: to do with it. This also woke people up to
Speaker 1: the dangers of everything Geared had been saying for twenty years,
Speaker 1: and so he basically has the ability. Now they haven't
Speaker 1: formed a government yet, he's not PM yet, Prime ministry
Speaker 1: yet he maybe he may not be. It could be
Speaker 1: like the Swedish Deems in their victory last year, where
Speaker 1: they're basically king makers and they allow the other righty
Speaker 1: parties to coalition, but with their vote being integral to
Speaker 1: that government standing. That could be the same situation here
Speaker 1: in Holland. We'll know in the next thirty to sixty
Speaker 1: days as the horse trading of parliamentary politics continues behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. But this was a sea change. I mean,
Speaker 1: this was the worst nightmare of Brussels and sort of
Speaker 1: the open borders globalist bureaucrats that want to break down
Speaker 1: all the sovereignties within Europe and in their federated system.
Speaker 1: And now this is a big pendulum shift back. So
Speaker 1: that was also sort of a for righties everywhere. This
Speaker 1: has been a very good, good couple months for Argentina,
Speaker 1: for the Netherlands.
Speaker 3: There was a bad election in Poland.
Speaker 1: The Polish right, where everybody thought that they had such
Speaker 1: certain control for the future of this sort of central
Speaker 1: European sphere, they lost after two terms. My friends in
Speaker 1: law and justice, I live in Poland part time. I've
Speaker 1: worked with this party directly for many years. They in
Speaker 1: Poland and post communist nations, you have a voter fatigue.
Speaker 1: There's no party that's ever been around, there's no you know,
Speaker 1: great governance. You still have post communist mechanisms and a
Speaker 1: lot of spoil system so it just arrogance and competence
Speaker 1: and corruption sort of got him after eight years and
Speaker 1: two thirds of the country said, you know, they still
Speaker 1: got the most votes, but nobody will work with them,
Speaker 1: so they can't form a government where you juxtappose that
Speaker 1: with their previous cycles where they didn't have to form
Speaker 1: a government and coalition they had enough votes on their
Speaker 1: sort of basic conservative platform. Well, now two thirds of
Speaker 1: the country got together and that includes center right to
Speaker 1: center left to far left. They all got together and
Speaker 1: said vote for us because we're not the incumbents, and
Speaker 1: that worked. The problem is that Poland is such an
Speaker 1: anchor for Central Europe, given as forty million people, six
Speaker 1: largest nation in the EU, that this is going to
Speaker 1: have some ramifications. As the previous leading party po very
Speaker 1: very eurocentric, Donald Tusk who has had a European Council,
Speaker 1: and Roderic Sikorski and Apple Bound's husband, they're back power
Speaker 1: and that doesn't bode well, they're going to push everything
Speaker 1: to the left as fast and far as they can,
Speaker 1: which is not great because Poland wasn't anchor. So now
Speaker 1: we're still reliant on Hungary. But Hungary's nine and a
Speaker 1: half million people. You know, it swings the needle on
Speaker 1: culture and debate, but not on the grand scheme of
Speaker 1: voting within the euro legislature things like that.
Speaker 3: So it's going to be interesting. Europe is still very divided.
Speaker 2: Is Poland worth visiting, like just for fun purposes?
Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely, can check it out.
Speaker 2: I mean to take your life to Poland. I mean
Speaker 2: it seems to me I was doing these like amazing
Speaker 2: like photos and video. It looks really beautiful, really safe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's totally safe.
Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, it's not an Islamifi country
Speaker 1: the way France and Germany and the western Western European
Speaker 1: states are. It's it's really quite safe. Food is good,
Speaker 1: people are super hospitable and wonderful. There's a ton of history.
Speaker 1: I mean it's incredible. Warsaw the capitol is an amazing place,
Speaker 1: rebuilt after the war. Krakov is like the sort of
Speaker 1: perial capital where Favo Castle is sort of the old
Speaker 1: historical capital with the with the palace where all the
Speaker 1: luminaries are buried. Auschwitz is within an hour from there.
Speaker 1: Everybody should see it. There's great cities like Vrotswav, Dansk, Continua.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot going on in Poland. There's
Speaker 1: forty forty million people and so it's a real country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go check it out. I want to
Speaker 2: ask you in America here to close us out here
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Speaker 2: you know, one or two minute breakdown of is Trump
Speaker 2: really just going to crush by it in this reelection?
Speaker 2: Because this is what the polls seemed to be telling us.
Speaker 2: What's going on here.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm nervous about it.
Speaker 1: I still go all over this country and there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of Trump fatigue obviously. You know, we've all
Speaker 1: been very involved with the conservative right to populist right
Speaker 1: since sixteen. It was incredibly successful presidency, but I you know,
Speaker 1: I still worry about turnout on the R side versus
Speaker 1: the D side. Trump motivates ds a lot, and there
Speaker 1: are a lot of ours.
Speaker 3: Look, you got.
Speaker 1: Fifty percent give or take in the different early primary
Speaker 1: and caucus states that are looking for an alternative whether
Speaker 1: it's Ronda Santis, Mickey Haley, Chris Christie hell even Asa
Speaker 1: Hutchinson I think gets one point in New Hampshire.
Speaker 3: So it tells you it's not as cut and dry.
Speaker 1: The coalessence hasn't fully come around yet, so you know,
Speaker 1: we will see. But you know, in your promo for
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Speaker 1: withdrawal of Afghanistan, that weakness really is. That's where our
Speaker 1: concern has to lie and it's coming to our hemisphere.
Speaker 1: We were talking on the off the air before we
Speaker 1: went live with what's going on in Venezuela that never
Speaker 1: would have happened under Trump.
Speaker 2: You know what, let me let me ask you actually
Speaker 2: to close us out formally or not formally. But you know,
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Speaker 2: tell me, Venezuela may invade Guyana. What's going on?
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Speaker 1: it's right, yeah, Venezuela. It's an area that is two
Speaker 1: thirds of the size of the country of Guyana's called
Speaker 1: Escatebo and it borders Venezuela and they are poised to
Speaker 1: in they they've already amassed troops. What's the reason oil
Speaker 1: This area is very, very wealthy in oil, their deposits
Speaker 1: both on you know, in the earth as well as offshore.
Speaker 1: And Venezuela, which is, you know what, was one of
Speaker 1: the wealthiest nations in the world because of their oil
Speaker 1: deposits and their mineral deposits. But Communist improves, you know,
Speaker 1: as Reagan said that if you put communists in charge
Speaker 1: of the of the Sahara Desert, they'd run.
Speaker 3: Out of sand.
Speaker 1: They have mismanaged their state economic oil drillers and refiners
Speaker 1: so badly that now they're just going into conquest of
Speaker 1: their neighbors. And knowing that Brazil also borders this is
Speaker 1: a border part of this region with the other side
Speaker 1: of Guyana, and Lula is an ally of the Medora regime,
Speaker 1: they don't expect much pushback.
Speaker 3: There given Biden's weakness.
Speaker 1: We've seen Afghanistan, We've seen all the other conflagrations breaking out,
Speaker 1: and the Huthis and Yemen and the saber rattling in
Speaker 1: South China. Sea I think they realize their chances now
Speaker 1: that they can increase their land and their mineral wealth. Now,
Speaker 1: I do have some Venezuelan friends who are no fans
Speaker 1: Medoro or Chabizmo in general, but they actually do say
Speaker 1: that historically this region Escatibo, for hundreds of years was
Speaker 1: part of Venezuela, and they are in favor of it.
Speaker 1: Guyana was, in their view, a nineteen circa nineteen hundred
Speaker 1: fake state that was carved out of its neighbors for
Speaker 1: no good reason in their mind. So obviously, like everything else,
Speaker 1: is complicated, but this would not be happening under a
Speaker 1: strong a packs Americana.
Speaker 3: We don't have that.
Speaker 1: Nobody's afraid, even in America's backyard, of doing things like this,
Speaker 1: and I think it does very august poorly for America's
Speaker 1: standing at our interests.
Speaker 2: Matt Tierman, great stuff, man, we'll have you back soon.
Speaker 2: Thanks and happy Holloways you two.
Speaker 3: Pemp