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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to the Buck Brief. On this episode, our

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Speaker 2: friend Matthew Tiermand.

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Speaker 3: He is a.

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Speaker 2: Political journalist, a globe trotter, a man who knows his

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Speaker 2: way around the world. He can blend in, speak so

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Speaker 2: many languages, know so many folks. They'll never catch him.

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Speaker 2: Remember that scene in Indiana Jones is awesome and then

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Speaker 2: the guy's like, hello, everybody, where do I go? I

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Speaker 2: can't find out it? You know what I'm talking about?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm not very Indiana Jones, Like, I don't

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Speaker 1: go around with a shovel and a bull whip.

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Speaker 2: That's probably a good thing for your political journalism career.

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Speaker 2: I want to start because these are some interesting stories

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Speaker 2: out there. We're getting into the end of the year

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Speaker 2: and so you know, people are starting to shut down.

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Speaker 2: I feel like people have heard some stuff about some

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Speaker 2: people or some countries politically that's interesting to us here

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Speaker 2: at home, and you can break all this stuff down. First,

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Speaker 2: this guy mill Am I l e. I. He's the

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Speaker 2: new president of Argentina, you were in Argentina right recently,

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Speaker 2: and you could tell like, tell tell me about that,

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Speaker 2: tell me what you were doing there? And why is

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Speaker 2: this guy Melay? I mean, he's got some great clips

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Speaker 2: where he's just like saying he's gonna cut this in

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Speaker 2: that government agency. People say he's kind of an Argentine

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Speaker 2: Trump guy in some ways, or at least takes that

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Speaker 2: outside or approach or whatever. Yeah, well you're you're the expert.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about it. What were you doing there and

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Speaker 2: what do we need to know about Milay in Argentina.

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Speaker 1: I was there for the inauguration. I've started covering Latin

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Speaker 1: America pretty in depth the last couple of years, especially

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Speaker 1: with Brazil, and I was, you know, I'd been to

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Speaker 1: Jason Miller and we got detained after we met with

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Speaker 1: ball Sceonnaro and interrogated, and so I started going deep

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Speaker 1: dive on the corruption across Latin America and Latin American politics.

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Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, this is interesting, this is tru I'm

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Speaker 2: sorry I had to jump in up. I want you

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Speaker 2: to keep going on this, but detained, Like, who detained

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Speaker 2: you for talking to Baalsonaro under what.

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Speaker 1: Pretext because we met with Ballsonnaro and you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know how close to your audience followed the saga

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Speaker 1: that was the election in twenty twenty two and the

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Speaker 1: turnover and power in twenty three when Ballsnaarer got turfed

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Speaker 1: out under very questionable circumstances. But we were there when

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Speaker 1: he was president, and the Supreme Court, who has their

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Speaker 1: own federalized police force, detained us in the airport and

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Speaker 1: wanted to know everybody we met with. They wanted us

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Speaker 1: to write down in a list all the journalists and politicians,

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Speaker 1: opposition and ruling class politicians, we met with, think tank leaders,

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Speaker 1: anybody like this, because they were very, very Stasi like

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Speaker 1: in their going after Ballsnarer, and they ended up winning

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Speaker 1: that battle, and Brazil fell and it's now run by Lula,

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Speaker 1: which is why Argentina which such a surprise, because Brazil

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Speaker 1: half the population in South America, and it was kind

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Speaker 1: this cycle when the left fully took over, and then

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Speaker 1: everyone figured okay, Latin America's gone. Colombia, which was a

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Speaker 1: righty bulwark, fell to a forum so Powa marks a

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Speaker 1: So there's some hope that may pendulum shift back. And Chile,

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Speaker 1: another right wing bulwark, also fell to a Marxist named

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Speaker 1: borach So Argentina which has been led by Marxist the

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Speaker 1: better part of the last thirty five years, with the

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Speaker 1: exception of one little respite which was about eight years

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Speaker 1: ago under Macree that was kind of written off. But

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Speaker 1: amidst this hyperinflation one hundred and forty percent, Argentina is

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Speaker 1: known as the sort of economic basket case of the

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Speaker 1: West and in Latin America for so many decades since

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Speaker 1: the parentist socialist movements. Everybody remember the musical A Vita

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Speaker 1: Don't Cry for Me Argentina. Well, that was a Hollywood

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Speaker 1: hay geography of horrible Marxist who screwed up one of

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Speaker 1: the wealthiest and prosperous, prolific societies in the Western hemisphere. Well,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the hyperinflation, the misery, the poverty,

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Speaker 1: It finally led to the bow breaking and them electing

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Speaker 1: a rite and not just any righty an arch libertarian iconoclast.

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Speaker 1: I mean this is a guy who's not we think

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Speaker 1: believes that, like Ludwig von Misis said, government's essentially the

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Speaker 1: negation of liberty, government is an evil unto itself. So

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Speaker 1: of a sea change. And I was since I covered

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Speaker 1: Latin America the last couple of years, I was invited

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Speaker 1: to the inauguration and.

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Speaker 3: I went and it was eye opening.

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Speaker 1: The optimism and hope in the streets is really unlike

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Speaker 1: anything you've seen anywhere where people are so beaten down

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Speaker 1: by a tough, tough hand that they've dealt. I mean,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and forty percent inflation. The highest denominated bill

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Speaker 1: people use is a thousand pesos and you have to

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Speaker 1: walk around with a brick of it. This thick just

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Speaker 1: like you literally have to have briefcases with you to

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Speaker 1: much much higher than the cash rate, which is black

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Speaker 1: market driven. So there's some weird dynamics going on there

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Speaker 1: that we don't even understand in the West. And he

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Speaker 1: was elected to sort of reverse this, and he has

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Speaker 1: this massive mandate unparalleled in Latin America, especially where communists

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Speaker 1: It's really fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems to me that we somehow lose sight

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Speaker 2: of this in America, but Latin America overall is kind

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Speaker 2: of go in full comedy these days.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The Forum sell Paalo, it really dates back to nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 1: There's this group, the Forum sall Paalo in Brazilian and

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Speaker 1: Portuguese forau Sapalo, which was formed by Lula da Silva,

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Speaker 1: the current President of Brazil and Fidel Castro in nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety when the Soviet Union fell.

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Speaker 3: People remember their Cold War history.

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Speaker 1: The Soviet Union was using Cuba as its staging point

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Speaker 1: for revolutions all over Latin America. They were very successful

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Speaker 1: in places like Nicaragua, Peru, Bolivia, El Salvador at one point,

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Speaker 1: but all that Soviet money was coming into Havana and

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Speaker 1: Fidel Castro was doling it out to ferment these coups

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Speaker 1: and revolutions. Obviously, the most successful one the Forum Cell

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Speaker 1: Palo took over in terms of a larger country was Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: Hugo Chavez was a product of the Forum Cell Palo,

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Speaker 1: and they just kept on notching win after win. I mean,

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Speaker 1: with Kirchner and Fernandez, and this was the first time

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Speaker 1: a Forum Cell Palo sort of power hold was broken

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Speaker 1: with Malay's election, and it really is owed to something

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Speaker 1: very simple. They had paper ballots as part of the

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Speaker 1: Argentinian constitution, unlike Brazil where there were marches in the street.

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Speaker 1: I was there with Bolsonaro when they were pushing for

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Speaker 1: paper ballots and people were demanding give us auditible ballots

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Speaker 1: and the government said no, everything's digital.

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Speaker 3: And we saw what happened in December was.

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Speaker 2: The Brazilian election. You know, I don't think a lot

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Speaker 2: of people followed this that closely. I saw some stuff

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Speaker 2: in the Walsh. Was it stolen?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, there's a reason why

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Speaker 1: there were so many people from the cross sections of

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Speaker 1: society protesting in the streets for months, from the first

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Speaker 1: round to the second round, to the second round to

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Speaker 1: the inauguration. The heavy handedness of the same Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: I mentioned that had detained myself from my traveling party

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Speaker 1: in early in twenty twenty two. They were acting like

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Speaker 1: a Stazi doing every day. Let Lula out of prison.

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Speaker 1: Lula was in people forget del Marussev and the previous

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Speaker 1: Marxist government was actually indicted, kicked out and put in

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Speaker 1: jail under Operation car Wash, where they were selling state

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Speaker 1: assets to the Chinese for cash and bags laundered through

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Speaker 1: a chain of car washes, and this operation car Wash,

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Speaker 1: and the court let Lula out and then put their

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Speaker 1: thumbs on the scale. They said that to criticize election

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Speaker 1: processes was a felony. There was a January eighth, like

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Speaker 1: January sixth, where they the protesters came into the main building,

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Speaker 1: they locked the doors, they rested him. They're still rotting

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Speaker 1: in jail. So the global playbook on how to obfuscate,

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Speaker 1: steal elections and circumvent the natural information flow around elections, well,

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Speaker 1: the Latin Americans have done it very heavy handedly. And

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Speaker 1: of course the same machines and mechanisms that were used

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Speaker 1: in Brazil were coming out of Venezuela, the same electronics

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Speaker 1: so to speak with that were developed out of Chavez's

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Speaker 1: government circa two thousand and one that helped him maintain

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Speaker 1: total control because there was a referendum that he forced

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Speaker 1: through on himself and disbanding the checks and balances in

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Speaker 1: Venezuelan government. Shavas was elected initially in a honest Pleva site,

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Speaker 1: but then they took control and it became very dishonest

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Speaker 1: very quickly. While Brazil was the reducts of that and

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Speaker 1: Argentina by virtue of the paper ballots that they've maintained,

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Speaker 1: they couldn't even attempt to steal it because it was

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Speaker 1: so overwhelming. Malay's popularity. Malay had a very interesting rise

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Speaker 1: to prominence in politics. He was a radio host much

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Speaker 1: like yourself, Buck, you can be running for president in

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Speaker 1: South American countries potentially.

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Speaker 2: I mean I wouldn't need it. I would be awesome.

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Speaker 2: They would vote for me just based on on the hair,

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 3: But I'd vote for you on on your second Amendment

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Speaker 3: stands certainly that well, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I like this Malay guy.

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Speaker 3: So it's going to be interesting. Europe is still very divided.

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Speaker 1: that they can increase their land and their mineral wealth. Now,

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Speaker 1: I do have some Venezuelan friends who are no fans

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Speaker 1: Medoro or Chabizmo in general, but they actually do say

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Speaker 1: that historically this region Escatibo, for hundreds of years was

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Speaker 1: part of Venezuela, and they are in favor of it.

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Speaker 1: Guyana was, in their view, a nineteen circa nineteen hundred

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Speaker 1: fake state that was carved out of its neighbors for

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Speaker 1: no good reason in their mind. So obviously, like everything else,

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Speaker 1: is complicated, but this would not be happening under a

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Speaker 1: strong a packs Americana.

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Speaker 3: We don't have that.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's afraid, even in America's backyard, of doing things like this,

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Speaker 1: and I think it does very august poorly for America's

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Speaker 1: standing at our interests.

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Speaker 2: Matt Tierman, great stuff, man, we'll have you back soon.

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Speaker 2: Thanks and happy Holloways you two.

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Speaker 3: Pemp