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Speaker 1: you're taking stock with Pim Box at Kathleen Hayes on

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. This is taking stock. I'm Pim Fox. Well,

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Speaker 1: what about exchange traded funds that say that they can

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Speaker 1: outsmart the market? Well, that might be called smart beta.

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Speaker 1: What is it? Does it really work? Let's find out

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Speaker 1: more from Melissa Brown, Senior director of Applied Research at

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Speaker 1: Axioma Axioma's Buyer Beware Research. Tell us more about this,

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Speaker 1: Melissa Brown, Hi, Yes, Well, the buyer beware really refers

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Speaker 1: to um the fact that many funds, many of these

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Speaker 1: so called smart beta E t F that have very

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Speaker 1: similar names, let's say they all have high dividend yield

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Speaker 1: in the name, actually look extremely different from each other.

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Speaker 1: And alternately, when many have very similar names are very

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Speaker 1: different names, they actually look quite similar to each other.

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Speaker 1: So you really need to dig a little deeper into

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Speaker 1: what's driving the returns in the fund to really understand

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Speaker 1: if you're getting something that's the same or different. Certainly,

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Speaker 1: certainly sounds to sounds like it makes a perfect sense.

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Speaker 1: But what if you could describe what is beta and

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Speaker 1: what is smart beta when it comes to exchange traded funds. Ah. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so beta refers to having some exposure to some source

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Speaker 1: of systematic return. In other words, if you think that

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Speaker 1: stocks that are cheaper are going to outperform stocks that

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Speaker 1: are more expensive, in other words, value stocks should do well,

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Speaker 1: then um a stocks how it stock looks in terms

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Speaker 1: of its value score or its exposure or um That

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Speaker 1: is what it's beta is, its sensitivity to the movement

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Speaker 1: in that factor. Smart data is a term, and there's

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Speaker 1: many other terms systematic beta and many other ways of

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Speaker 1: describing this, but smart data is um a way of

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Speaker 1: getting that kind of exposure, getting that kind of systematic

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Speaker 1: return um to and using factors that are expected to

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Speaker 1: outperform the market, whether it's value or momentum or high

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Speaker 1: dived in yield or low volatility or you know. I

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Speaker 1: could go on and on. There are many different categories,

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Speaker 1: but those all kind of generally fall into this idea

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Speaker 1: of smart data. Would it also would would another not

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Speaker 1: another but an additional definition of this? Would it be

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Speaker 1: invest an investment strategy that puts the emphasis on the

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Speaker 1: use of alternative index construction rules rather than more traditional

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Speaker 1: UH market based industries like market capitalization or or market price.

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Speaker 1: I mean doesn't that kind of it emphasizes capturing these

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Speaker 1: factors or inefficiencies and then turning them into rules in

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Speaker 1: ways that people can understand exactly. So they may a

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Speaker 1: manager may take let's say the hundred most attractive stocks

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Speaker 1: and equally wait them, or they may wait them by

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Speaker 1: their exposure. So the highest dividend yielding stock, it's the

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Speaker 1: highest weight in the portfolio. So there's there are a

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Speaker 1: number of different ways, um that you can wait them

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Speaker 1: that are you're, as you said, it's absolutely right, going

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Speaker 1: to move them away from the index, or they're gonna

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Speaker 1: look very different, even if they have the same names.

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Speaker 1: That waiting scheme in and of itself is going to

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Speaker 1: make them look very different. Why are they attractive now, Well,

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Speaker 1: they are. First of all, many of these types of

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Speaker 1: portfolios have actually outperformed broader major market indices. So that's

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Speaker 1: that's one reason. So they have that the performance wind

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Speaker 1: at their backs. Another reason is that, um, I think

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Speaker 1: personally that you put smart in the name of something

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Speaker 1: and it at least attracts people's attention whether um, you know,

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Speaker 1: whether in fact it's smart or not right full full

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Speaker 1: marks for marketing. Yes, exactly, exactly, And in fact, what

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Speaker 1: a lot of these funds do are no different from

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Speaker 1: what a lot of quantitatively driven or systematic managers have

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Speaker 1: done for years and years and years. Uh. They've just

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Speaker 1: kind of relabeled it and repackaged it into an e

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Speaker 1: t F format, which does make it easier to buy

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Speaker 1: and sell, makes it easier to buy and sell, and

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Speaker 1: would ostensibly make these products less expensive when compared to

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Speaker 1: those managers you just described. Or is that inaccurate? Yes? No, No,

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Speaker 1: Usually e t F T smart data e t F

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Speaker 1: are less expensive. They because they're so rules based. You know,

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Speaker 1: the rules are set up and they can just run.

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Speaker 1: You don't really need a manager sifting through the stocks

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Speaker 1: that you might be buying and selling, for example. So

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Speaker 1: they certainly can be cheaper and um and to some

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Speaker 1: extent deliver a similar return, except for that you don't

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Speaker 1: have that manager sifting through the stocks that are being

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Speaker 1: bought and sold to see if maybe you don't necessarily

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Speaker 1: want to buy this one or that one, Melissa, without

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Speaker 1: without pushing you to indoors or or or in any way.

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Speaker 1: Comment upond performance. Could you just give us an example

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Speaker 1: of one of these smart beta ETFs and how they work?

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Speaker 1: Um Yeah, so one of the ones that we've done

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Speaker 1: a recent study on our high dividend yield and we've

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Speaker 1: we looked at a number of different flavors of high

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Speaker 1: dividend yield um some are what's really interesting is their differences.

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Speaker 1: So some are very heavily weighted in the energy sector,

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Speaker 1: for example. Some may be much more heavily weighted in utilities.

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Speaker 1: Some are much more evenly distributed across different kinds of sectors.

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Speaker 1: Um So. But the thing they have in common is

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Speaker 1: they all have high dividend yields, but they get to

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Speaker 1: that dividend yield in a different way. So that would

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Speaker 1: be kind of one example of the type of fund

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Speaker 1: that might be put under the label of smart beta.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Melissa Brown, Senior Director of Applied

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Speaker 1: Research at Axioma telling us about their buyer beware research

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Speaker 1: when it comes to smart beta et f s. Thank

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