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Speaker 1: career and the second season The Fifth War. New episodes

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Speaker 1: of Fifth Ward stream every Thursday through September three on

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Speaker 1: UMC dot TV. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations, my

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Speaker 1: man Greg Carter, Thank you, thank you, my brother Sean.

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Speaker 1: I'm so slighted to be on the show. I got

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Speaker 1: we're both from Houston, Texas, and you're doing a show

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Speaker 1: doing a project about a very important community within a

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