Speaker 1: This is the Eds with Eddie Judge and Edwin Ato
Speaker 1: Yavi the Husband's know Best Too Tease Production.
Speaker 2: Welcome to episode eleven. We have Doctor Debrou with us today.
Speaker 2: Doctor Debrou is married to The Real Housewives Orange County
Speaker 2: cast member Heather Dubro. They've been married for twenty five
Speaker 2: years and have four kids, Max, Nick, Kat and Ace.
Speaker 1: How you doing, Doctor Debrou. I'm good. It's great to
Speaker 1: see you guys. Great to be with you.
Speaker 2: Hey, so, do you like doctor Debreu or can I
Speaker 2: call you Terry?
Speaker 1: I prefer you call me like sir, your honor, your majesty,
Speaker 1: your majesty. Hear Terry. I you know, I introduced myself
Speaker 1: to my patients is Terry Debrou and I let them pick.
Speaker 1: But I'd rather you guys call me Terry.
Speaker 2: So yeah, awesome, awesome. Well, I know that Edwin doesn't
Speaker 2: know a whole lot about you. We go way back to,
Speaker 2: you know, when you guys first came on the show,
Speaker 2: So we have history. So I'm gonna I'm gonna have Terry's.
Speaker 1: Long longevity in the game.
Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of how long you've been in
Speaker 3: the game and.
Speaker 1: How successful you've been. So it's awesome.
Speaker 3: Finally we spoke briefly I think in Vegas, but yeah,
Speaker 3: right to finally, you know, get to know, you know
Speaker 3: everything about Terry.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited about this podcast. I appreciate. Other thing
Speaker 1: lacking is of course the alcohol. But that's okay, that
Speaker 1: that gets us in trouble, Terry. It's tru early in the.
Speaker 3: Day, right, You're like, So, I had no idea you
Speaker 3: were married for twenty five years. I mean we're talking
Speaker 3: longevity in business, we're talking longevity and obviously the family
Speaker 3: life as well. And I knew you had children. I
Speaker 3: don't know you had four. That's a lot of children there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've done. We've had seven wonderful years of marriage together. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: we've been married for twenty five. My wife hates when
Speaker 1: I make that job. I know hat, so I can
Speaker 1: only make it when she's not around.
Speaker 2: Let let's go back, because this is about you, Terry.
Speaker 2: I want to know about I understand you were born
Speaker 2: and raised in LA. Tell us what it's like being
Speaker 2: raised in LA. Like, what's it like growing up there?
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, what part of La? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: for the first nine years, so my mom and dad
Speaker 1: divorced when I was like, you know, two. So my
Speaker 1: mom initially raised me as a single mom up until
Speaker 1: ten in La near CBS Television City, which I know,
Speaker 1: you guys know where that is. I'm Fairbax. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I used to skateboard, I remember in the dvs all
Speaker 1: the time. So when I go back there, it's sort
Speaker 1: of like, well, and then she met this guy. We
Speaker 1: didn't like him, but she married him anyone, and she
Speaker 1: moved us. My brother and I you know, my older
Speaker 1: brother was the Leitzinger Quiet Riot Kevin debrou Right, Oh,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about that, that's yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: she moved us into the valley with this guy who
Speaker 1: had three kids. So we moved into this really tiny
Speaker 1: house with five boys around the.
Speaker 2: Savings oh my god, geez.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the stepfather. You know, I don't really want
Speaker 1: to get too much into it, but not the nicest
Speaker 1: guy in the world, you know, not physically but emotionally.
Speaker 1: Not very cool anyway. So I grew up essentially from
Speaker 1: ten to eighteen in Van Eyes, Okay, the San Fernando
Speaker 1: Valley And for those of you across the country who
Speaker 1: don't know what the San Fernando Valley is. You'll know
Speaker 1: it when I call it the valley, all right, Valley,
Speaker 1: it's that valley. It's that valley. So you know, I
Speaker 1: was a valley boy growing up. And then I went
Speaker 1: to Van Eys High School, and as soon as I graduated,
Speaker 1: the first thing I want to do is get out
Speaker 1: of the valley. And for those of you who live
Speaker 1: in the valley, I'm not putting down the valley just
Speaker 1: wasn't my cup of tea. Yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 2: I have friends that were raised in Big Bear, and
Speaker 2: as much as I love Big Bear, they tell me, yeah,
Speaker 2: I couldn't wait to get out. There's nothing wrong with
Speaker 2: Big Bears, just they want other opportunities.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you always know you.
Speaker 2: Wanted to be a doctor or when did that happen?
Speaker 1: So you know, I had no idea. I was always
Speaker 1: a really good student. I you know, you sort of
Speaker 1: lean into what you're good at, and I was okay
Speaker 1: at sports, and before I was really good looking until
Speaker 1: I hit about twelve, and then I wasn't. I remember that.
Speaker 1: I remember being treated a certain special way because I
Speaker 1: was a very cute little kid, and I hit twelve
Speaker 1: thirteen wasn't cute anymore. So, but I remember being treated
Speaker 1: special because of the way I looked, and that was gone,
Speaker 1: and then I wanted to be treated special again. And
Speaker 1: the thing that made me stand out and be treated
Speaker 1: special was I was good at school, really good at school.
Speaker 1: And so if I, you know, you get straight a's,
Speaker 1: you get this certain feedback from it. And so that
Speaker 1: was my thing. That was what I did. I got
Speaker 1: straight a's. I only got one B in high school,
Speaker 1: you know. And it was a teacher who gave me
Speaker 1: a beat. He told me I was really obnoxious in
Speaker 1: high school. Big shock, Right, Yeah. I used to walk
Speaker 1: into the class and I go, okay, so here's the
Speaker 1: a What is everybody else going to get that kind
Speaker 1: of thing? Right? Like that kid? I was that kid?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: So were you like a cool smart I assume you
Speaker 3: were a cool smart kid. Sometimes the smart kids aren't
Speaker 3: the coolest, but I get the feeling maybe you were both.
Speaker 1: No, I was not. I was obnoxious smart kid. I
Speaker 1: was really good at tennis. But apart from that, I
Speaker 1: mean I had some cool friends, but I was not
Speaker 1: a cool kid in high school.
Speaker 2: You know, did anybody ever bully you for the confidence
Speaker 2: you had?
Speaker 1: No? Not really? No, I mean I you know, I'm
Speaker 1: one of these kids, like a lot of us, we
Speaker 1: think were special. I thought I was special because of
Speaker 1: the way I I apparently was just a really good
Speaker 1: looking kid till about ten, right, and so I remember
Speaker 1: my mom taking me to a stored people would stop,
Speaker 1: g oh, my god, your son is so beautiful, like
Speaker 1: that thing. And so I always feel like I sort
Speaker 1: of was born on the right side of the bed somehow,
Speaker 1: you know. It just was like and then when that left,
Speaker 1: I thought, oh what am I going to do get
Speaker 1: that feeling back? And so it was that so I,
Speaker 1: you know, I was, I was. I'm a very I
Speaker 1: think you know, Eddie, I'm a really kind of a gentle, nice,
Speaker 1: sweet guy. I'm a really I'm a really sweet guy,
Speaker 1: as are you. For sure. I think we're both very
Speaker 1: sweet people. And as I've gotten older, I've gotten even
Speaker 1: a lot sweeter to everybody I meet. But I wasn't
Speaker 1: sweet in high school. I was sarcastic. I mean I
Speaker 1: had buddies. Yeah, I was a bit of a pain
Speaker 1: in the ass, and I thought it was really smart
Speaker 1: and anyway, so oh I was obnoxious, you know.
Speaker 2: So when did you realize that you wanted to go
Speaker 2: to medical school.
Speaker 1: So I didn't. I had you know, I was raised
Speaker 1: by a single mom and then my stepfather was a plumber.
Speaker 1: So there was like no conversations at home about ambition
Speaker 1: or what we're going to do is never discussed. It
Speaker 1: was just you just lived. And then it came like
Speaker 1: to eleventh grade and I thought, okay, so what am
Speaker 1: I going to do? And I said to my mom
Speaker 1: what should I do? She goes, why don't you be
Speaker 1: an optometrist. That's really easy and it's clean. And I go, oh,
Speaker 1: what what do they do? And I looked up and
Speaker 1: I go and she said, be a dentist. And so
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, be a dentist. And so I did
Speaker 1: a re volunteer thing at USC dental school when I
Speaker 1: was in high school. And then I sort of started
Speaker 1: to volunteer in a dentist's office in like four days,
Speaker 1: and I said, this is incredibly boring. And the dentist
Speaker 1: said to me interestingly enough, he goes, you know what
Speaker 1: you are? Men? And I go out. He was you're
Speaker 1: a surgeon. I go I am. He goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you are a surgeon all day long? And I said, really,
Speaker 1: because you should be a surgeon, and I said okay.
Speaker 1: So then I worked. I volunteered. I went to Yale
Speaker 1: right and I volunteered at Yale's hospital emergency room in college.
Speaker 1: And when I was there, the minute I walked into
Speaker 1: the emergency room, the minute I walked in the hospital,
Speaker 1: the smell. The residents were just like the coolest people.
Speaker 1: We called it relaxed brilliance. The residents in med school
Speaker 1: at Yale were just like, yeah, you know, they just
Speaker 1: look like they it was just they were just cool
Speaker 1: and they were doing the most important things. I thought,
Speaker 1: this is it. And so when I got there, I
Speaker 1: thought I want to be a doctor. And then so
Speaker 1: I applied to med school. I got into UCLA, and
Speaker 1: like day one at UCLA, they said you're a surgeon
Speaker 1: and I said, really, did go why Gil, because you're
Speaker 1: kind of obnoxious and you're confident and you're outspoken. And
Speaker 1: I said okay. And then I met this guy, my
Speaker 1: best friend to this day, Scott Former, who's an orthopedic surgeon,
Speaker 1: and we hunt. They called us the Dude Brothers at
Speaker 1: UCLA Med School because we're always walking around and go
Speaker 1: hey dude, hey dude, Hey dude. We called everybody dude,
Speaker 1: and we graduated to give a certificate called the Dude
Speaker 1: Brothers and that's funny. And then I was going to
Speaker 1: be a heart surgeon because that's the most intense thing
Speaker 1: you can do in medicine, heart surgery. And then my
Speaker 1: second year, my second year of med school, this incredibly
Speaker 1: handsome guy comes in. You know, they give you these
Speaker 1: sort of specialty lectures when you're in your first two
Speaker 1: years of med school and they say, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: what neurologies like, this is what general surgery is like,
Speaker 1: this is what intern and this guy walks and he goes,
Speaker 1: turn down the light. He was like this good looking
Speaker 1: he looked like a tall version of Mel Gibson with
Speaker 1: cowboy boots. And he starts showing the slides and he goes, ladies, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: I'm going to show you the last true renaissance field
Speaker 1: in medicine, and it's called plastic and reconstructive surgery. And
Speaker 1: he showed us these slides for an hour of like
Speaker 1: what plastic and reconstruct surgeons do, burns, congenital deformities, gunshot wounds,
Speaker 1: the face, cosmetic surgery, replants of fingers and digits like that,
Speaker 1: and it was like everybody. He turned up the lights
Speaker 1: over and just went whoa. And then so I follow
Speaker 1: him down from the auditorium at UCLA, and he go,
Speaker 1: do you do research in your lab? Because if you
Speaker 1: want to out be outstanding in med school, you do
Speaker 1: research in somebody's lab. He goes, come with me. So
Speaker 1: he took me his lab. The next day I started
Speaker 1: working his lab, and I actually ran his lab for
Speaker 1: the next seven years. And then I did general surgery
Speaker 1: after med school. For seven years, I was chief resident
Speaker 1: in general surgery, doing trauma, gunshot wounds, cancer reconstruction, all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Right, yeah, and then and then
Speaker 1: I went on to plastic surgery.
Speaker 2: Did you just say, I don't want the trauma stuff anymore.
Speaker 2: I want I want you know, beauty, I want esthetics,
Speaker 2: I want nicer things.
Speaker 1: No. So, back in my day, to be a plastic surgeon,
Speaker 1: to be a cardiac surgeon, and to be a transplant surgeon,
Speaker 1: all those super specialties, you had to complete general surgery training.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So I did a full general surgery training.
Speaker 1: I got board certified in general surgery and then went
Speaker 1: I graduated June thirtieth, nineteen ninety in general surgery and
Speaker 1: walked into UCLA's plast surgery program July first, nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: and went right in from general surgery to plastic surgery
Speaker 1: and then graduated plastic surgery and then got board certified
Speaker 1: plast surgery that went right away into practice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't quite catch the timeline. So how long
Speaker 2: did that whole thing take? From did general surgery start
Speaker 2: to the plastic surgery.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to do this. So four years college, four
Speaker 1: years med school, seven years of general surgery training and
Speaker 1: this is like wow. Back in the day when there
Speaker 1: were no rules prohibiting it like there are now, there
Speaker 1: was no limitation the number of hours a resident would work.
Speaker 1: So for seven years, I literally this is not an
Speaker 1: exaggeration at all. If there's one hundred and sixty eight
Speaker 1: hours in a week, twenty four times seven twenty four
Speaker 1: hours time seven days, at one hundred and sixty eight,
Speaker 1: we would work around one hundred and forty and we
Speaker 1: were most of the time awake every other night in
Speaker 1: the hospital operating. And so I did that for seven years.
Speaker 1: And then in plastic surgery UCLA the hours were much better,
Speaker 1: but it was super intense.
Speaker 3: A lot of people don't realize the sacrifice that you
Speaker 3: have to make. You know, people see all your success
Speaker 3: now and all the things you've done, but they don't
Speaker 3: see those one hundred and forty hours a week out
Speaker 3: of one hundred and sixty eight.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you brought that up, because again, people
Speaker 3: think that success just comes to you and you just
Speaker 3: get lucky, but like, you literally sacrifice seven years of
Speaker 3: your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny. We for a lot of
Speaker 1: the super intense, hair on fire type people like me,
Speaker 1: we didn't really see it as a sacrifice. You know.
Speaker 1: It was like, this is the coolest thing that a
Speaker 1: human being. To me, it was always fighter, pilot, rock
Speaker 1: star or surgeon. Those were the three things to be right. Well,
Speaker 1: my brother was a rock star with a number one
Speaker 1: album when I was in med school. I'm not good
Speaker 1: with heights and spinning, so I wasn't going to go
Speaker 1: into the air force, so I was going to be
Speaker 1: a surgeon. So it was more than anything else. It
Speaker 1: was fun, you know, it was fun. I mean, I
Speaker 1: found my call. I wasn't, you know, let's be honest,
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I had an incredible sex drive, but I
Speaker 1: wasn't particularly good with girls. All right, I was really
Speaker 1: good with my brain in my hands, and I I'm
Speaker 1: one of these. So everybody's different when it comes to sleep,
Speaker 1: and we all need sleep. But there's a certain percentage
Speaker 1: of people, maybe two to four percent of people that
Speaker 1: congenitally don't need sleep. Yeah, and I do. I don't
Speaker 1: do well with a lot of sleep. I don't really
Speaker 1: do well with six hours or five hours. I do
Speaker 1: much better with three or two and so and so
Speaker 1: if you're not a sleeper, you're going to be a
Speaker 1: good general surgery resident because you're most of your work
Speaker 1: is between midnight and six am. Yeah, such a great point.
Speaker 3: I mean, I gotta have my six to eight hours
Speaker 3: or I'm a disaster. I thought maybe it was a
Speaker 3: mental thing for me, but like, if I sleep less
Speaker 3: than six hours, I have a tough time.
Speaker 1: I got it much of them, and I think everybody
Speaker 1: should focus on that, particularly when you've reached my stage
Speaker 1: of life, you need to get as much sleep as possible.
Speaker 1: These are called the marginal decades where if you don't
Speaker 1: take care of you like I work out seven days
Speaker 1: a week, if you don't take care of yourself at this
Speaker 1: stage of mime in you're gonna rapidly decline. But at
Speaker 1: that stage of life, if I got two and a
Speaker 1: half three hours, I could remember everything I read, I
Speaker 1: could remember every detail. If I got six or seven,
Speaker 1: I was foggy. Yeah, And even to this day, even
Speaker 1: though I'm sixty five right now, even to this day,
Speaker 1: if I do four days in a row of five
Speaker 1: six hours of sleep, my brain doesn't work as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of slows down.
Speaker 1: Very cool. Yeah, But I think for my heart and
Speaker 1: for my overall health, you know, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: good for me to get two hours a night, But
Speaker 1: like last night, before last, I slept about an hour
Speaker 1: and a half.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't recommend that for anyway. But that's
Speaker 1: just my that's just the way my body works. I
Speaker 1: do well with very little sleep. I'm very sharp on
Speaker 1: no sleep. But anyway, so general surgery was really good
Speaker 1: for me, and I loved the emergency surgery. I was
Speaker 1: it's it's work, cocaine emergency surgery.
Speaker 2: You definitely have to be in love with it to
Speaker 2: be as passionate and as good as you are with it.
Speaker 2: Because I hate going to hospitals, I hate going to doctors.
Speaker 2: I hate the whole. I gotta, you know, check up
Speaker 2: on myself. And I think it was a conversation you
Speaker 2: and I had one of the shows. We started talking
Speaker 2: about prostate cancer and You're like, that's one of the
Speaker 2: easiest things to you know, just check, just go get
Speaker 2: it checked. And I was thinking, well, I don't want
Speaker 2: some guy to put his finger up my ass. I
Speaker 2: don't want anything up my ass. But you know, it
Speaker 2: has to be done because it's your health. It doesn't
Speaker 2: matter how it's done. It's your health, and it's an
Speaker 2: easy procedure and it could save your life.
Speaker 1: So it's a good point that in colonoscopies are things
Speaker 1: that everyone after forty. If you're not getting a colonoscope,
Speaker 1: you're taking unnecessary risk. I mean, there are certain things
Speaker 1: that are completely preventable, and colon cancer is number one
Speaker 1: on the list. It starts as a pall up, but
Speaker 1: press prostate cancer. By the way, all cancers, okay, even
Speaker 1: pancreas the worst of the worst if you catch it early.
Speaker 1: And I love that you and Tamra do and talk
Speaker 1: about the pernubo scan. Right, yep, yeah, she died, did it? Well?
Speaker 1: You did it right. I think the one downside of
Speaker 1: it is that you get you're going to chase the
Speaker 1: things in beside your body that are insignificant that you
Speaker 1: don't need to know about, the barnacles that we get
Speaker 1: to get older. But that's okay because if you catch
Speaker 1: for example, you hear someone gets pancreas cancer, right, you
Speaker 1: know they've got three to six months to live there
Speaker 1: fruit not true. Pancer's cancer is completely and totally and
Speaker 1: rather easily treatable for five years while you have it.
Speaker 2: Oh do they just put it up?
Speaker 1: You just cut it out. The problem is it's so
Speaker 1: far back in the what's called retro partineum in the
Speaker 1: back of the abdomen that it grows and it doesn't
Speaker 1: interfere with anything until it gets uncurable, incurable, unrespectable. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so that pernubo scan that Tamrau is talking about, I
Speaker 1: love to see that kind of stuff. I've had. I've
Speaker 1: scanned every inch of my body and my and multiple times,
Speaker 1: and my prostate three times. Yeah, because if you get
Speaker 1: prostate cancer early, it's like big deal. It's like testicular cancer,
Speaker 1: no big deal. You catch it way way, way way late.
Speaker 1: You're going to die from it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well on that note.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so by everybody go go be depressed.
Speaker 3: Believe it or not, Terry, I actually wanted to be
Speaker 3: a doctor, but I just wasn't smart enough.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to.
Speaker 3: But I just wanted to be a doctor because I
Speaker 3: needed to get out of the hood and I needed
Speaker 3: to make enough money. And I knew doctors made a
Speaker 3: lot of money. So I'm like, maybe if I become
Speaker 3: a doctor, I could get out of the hood. And
Speaker 3: then I'm like, okay, well I'm not smart enough, so
Speaker 3: I just get into sales and uh and then but
Speaker 3: so funny story about that. So when I used to
Speaker 3: so I used to go door to door selling alarm
Speaker 3: systems in like Watts and Compton, and someone told me
Speaker 3: doctors made four hundred dollars an hour. So I started
Speaker 3: making four hundred dollars an hour as I was selling
Speaker 3: these alarm systems. Right, So I called myself while I
Speaker 3: was in the field doctor Rojave, and I wanted to
Speaker 3: I wanted to average four hundred dollars an hour. So anyway,
Speaker 3: so well that's good. I mean, I mean, a truth
Speaker 3: be told.
Speaker 1: You don't necessarily you don't have to be particularly smart
Speaker 1: to be a doctor. You have to you have to
Speaker 1: be smart to get in to medical school. So once
Speaker 1: you're in medical school, it helps to be smart. It
Speaker 1: makes it a lot easier. But it's medical school. I mean,
Speaker 1: if I told you, guys, how the kidney works, you'd go, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get that. I mean, you know, it's not like
Speaker 1: physics where you have to go, now, how does this
Speaker 1: equation work? You know? So you don't need to necessarily
Speaker 1: be smart to be a doctor. You have to be
Speaker 1: interested interested to be a doctor. You have to be wanting.
Speaker 1: Like to me, I used to sit there in medical
Speaker 1: school at UCLA and I was buzzing. I thought, this
Speaker 1: is exactly where there is no better feeling. You guys,
Speaker 1: all both of you have felt this way, whether it's
Speaker 1: on a bicycle in the middle of a long bike
Speaker 1: ride when you've hit you know, just your flow and
Speaker 1: your pace and your heart's going a million miles an hour,
Speaker 1: but you feel nothing except in doorphin hun you know,
Speaker 1: whatever it is that puts you in that flow. I'm
Speaker 1: a flow junkie, okay, like before, like right now, I am.
Speaker 1: So For example, I'm obsessed with these miracle weight loss
Speaker 1: drugs right absolutely obsessed with them. And it's a historic
Speaker 1: time and that we literally have the cure for obesity.
Speaker 1: I have no plan on opening weightlift clinics or prescribing them,
Speaker 1: but I'm obsessed with the physiology. So I am studying
Speaker 1: for the American Board of Obesity Medicine Certification Exam to
Speaker 1: get bored certified. I was doing it right before I
Speaker 1: came on with you guys, just because I always need
Speaker 1: to be doing yes, yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like I'm vacation, I'm a loser. I'm the worst. I
Speaker 1: can't stand it. You know.
Speaker 2: I can't lay around on vacation. It's boring.
Speaker 1: It's boring. So I need to be doing something. So
Speaker 1: I have like six jobs all the time that I
Speaker 1: enjoyed doing. If you're that kind of person, and yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes a good doctor, I think, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And I always wondered how you balanced it all, because
Speaker 2: as entrepreneurs, you know, we you know, we have to
Speaker 2: figure out the time balance with family and kids and
Speaker 2: all those responsibilities we have. And I know that you
Speaker 2: worked a lot. You did multiple shows, you were on
Speaker 2: the Housewives, you were doing surgery, and you weren't getting
Speaker 2: very little sleep. And now I know why you just
Speaker 2: don't require that much sleep. But how you balance all
Speaker 2: that around is remarkable.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you saying that, but the truth is,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you really looked at it holistically from
Speaker 1: the thirty thousand foot view, you might say, well, maybe
Speaker 1: Terry doesn't balance it that well, maybe you know, he
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily. I think I do now now that they're older.
Speaker 1: I spend really high quality, interesting, interested time with my kids.
Speaker 1: But when they were growing up, I thought to myself,
Speaker 1: I don't remember being three or five, or seven or
Speaker 1: even eleven, So I thought, why am I spending Why
Speaker 1: am I gonna sit there at the baseball I never
Speaker 1: did that stuff, you know, And some of that played
Speaker 1: out on Housewives, and you know, they like to exaggerate
Speaker 1: for story of but but there was a current. There
Speaker 1: was more than a kernel of it. I wasn't home
Speaker 1: that much. And there after I got my own TV show. Well, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I did a TV show called The Swan. Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys are aware of that, but
Speaker 1: this was a Housewives right way before. It was in
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, right and I think that was
Speaker 1: before the first season of Real Housewives of Orange County.
Speaker 1: I think it was two thousand and three. I don't
Speaker 1: know how long. What season is Orange County on seventeen
Speaker 1: eighteen eighteen? Okay, so that would be you know two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, right or twosand seven. So I did
Speaker 1: a TV show called The Swan which was a giant
Speaker 1: makeover reality show on Fox, and it was on after
Speaker 1: American Idol, and like you know that we had like
Speaker 1: thirty million viewers. I mean it was like one of
Speaker 1: it was. It was before it was when there was two, four, seven, nine,
Speaker 1: eleven and thirteen, right, it was like there was an HBO.
Speaker 1: I don't think no cable. So and I was the
Speaker 1: surgeon on this makeover show, only only a few years
Speaker 1: out of my training, and that put me on the
Speaker 1: map immediately. So I got to be able to operate.
Speaker 1: And what plastic surgeons want to do is what what
Speaker 1: any surgeon want to do is we want to operate.
Speaker 1: You want to get your skill set because it's a
Speaker 1: it's a skill based profession, right, it's an experience based profession.
Speaker 1: The more I mean, can you imagine Tom Brady with
Speaker 1: his body at twenty five, with his experience and brain,
Speaker 1: now he'd be ten times, the quarterbacks ten times. Well
Speaker 1: that's the way I am now, because we don't we
Speaker 1: don't degrade in plastic surgery. We don't degrade the surgeon.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so very soon out of my training, I
Speaker 1: got this TV show. It was a major hit, and
Speaker 1: I started operating seven days a week, not six, not five,
Speaker 1: but saturdays. And I would start Sunday morning at six
Speaker 1: amte my own practice, just me. I was booked for
Speaker 1: years and so and so I remember I came home,
Speaker 1: I met the refrigerator Sunday night, and I look down
Speaker 1: and I look at my son. I go, when did
Speaker 1: you get so tall? And the heather listen, he goes,
Speaker 1: she looks at me, she goes, really, so you're going
Speaker 1: to do this their whole childhood. You just gonna operate
Speaker 1: every single day. So I went from like seven to
Speaker 1: six days a week, and then I went to five.
Speaker 1: And then now you know, now, since they're what I
Speaker 1: call sentient humans, right, you can interact with them and
Speaker 1: they're wonderful. I spend a lot of time with them now.
Speaker 1: But so I to your point, I don't think I was.
Speaker 1: I met the classic definition of work life balance. I
Speaker 1: think I'm much better now much better.
Speaker 3: Now, what was your back then? What was your favorite
Speaker 3: part to operate on? I'm curious.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I've always liked I always like to
Speaker 1: do It's the favorite favorite procedures for a plastic surgeon,
Speaker 1: to be quite honest, are the ones that are fun, elegant,
Speaker 1: and pay and pay the most boobs. So facelifts pay
Speaker 1: the most, rests are the most common, right, And so
Speaker 1: I like to do facelifts and breasts, right because I
Speaker 1: could do five or six or seven breasts in a day.
Speaker 1: But now, well you know my practice obviously in the
Speaker 1: last time, I've been doing botch for ten years. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you don't come to Terry de Brow for a
Speaker 1: you know, a twenty three year old breast implant, twenty
Speaker 1: three year old with who wants brett you? First of all,
Speaker 1: you can't afford me. And second I and if you've
Speaker 1: come to me, I say, why are you coming to me?
Speaker 1: Go to this guy down the street. He's just as good,
Speaker 1: and he's going to be a third of the price. Right.
Speaker 1: And of course when you say that, they want you
Speaker 1: to do it more, right, right, But so now I
Speaker 1: do primary most of what I do is if you
Speaker 1: had a botch case. You come to me now, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you ever had a botch case where you
Speaker 2: just it's too risky to even attempt to fix it,
Speaker 2: and you're and you have to tell him the bad news, like,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I can't help you. Nobody can help you
Speaker 2: that they're so botched.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a good question. So the first deason of Botched,
Speaker 1: we got, like, you know, two thousand applicants and the network,
Speaker 1: because you know how it works, The network finds you
Speaker 1: these people with terrible visual problems, interesting stories because they
Speaker 1: have to have a story, and then they send them
Speaker 1: to you, go can you fix this? And the first
Speaker 1: like ten, we go, no way, no way, no way,
Speaker 1: too risky, I'll make them worse. I'm not. The last
Speaker 1: thing you want to do is botch. By the botch
Speaker 1: doctor is ruin someone on national television. It wo ruins
Speaker 1: the whole show. So I would accept maybe one out
Speaker 1: of three. By the fourth season, you know, you get
Speaker 1: good at what you do all the time, right, whatever
Speaker 1: it is you do a lot of By the fourth
Speaker 1: season it was like I would accept three out of five.
Speaker 1: And the last three seasons you send it over, we
Speaker 1: take it. There's nothing. We will turn down, well, turn
Speaker 1: you down if we feel you have too many red flags,
Speaker 1: like you have very very unrealistic expectations, you're hostile, you're
Speaker 1: ragging too much on your previous surgeon. But I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's pretty much anything I can make better,
Speaker 1: just as long as I'm honest, which I am, And
Speaker 1: I say, look, you understand, I can make you worse.
Speaker 1: I can put you in the hospital. But here's fifteen
Speaker 1: consent forms that said I warned you of this possibility.
Speaker 1: So if you sign here, let's go. Yeah. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: Terry walk us through.
Speaker 3: So you're at swan. Was that a success? I assume
Speaker 3: it was a successful show. And then how did you
Speaker 3: make the transition a botch? How did that oak all
Speaker 3: come about?
Speaker 1: Okay, so I did in two thousand and three, I
Speaker 1: did this one. It was a huge reality show. We
Speaker 1: were on the cover of People magazine, and then they
Speaker 1: picked it up for another season, and then I did
Speaker 1: that and it was hugely successful. And that was in
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, and we were about to start
Speaker 1: the third season and we'd almost fully cap cast it.
Speaker 1: It was going to be of course, they were pushing
Speaker 1: the envelope by the way. This is back when reality
Speaker 1: TV was really pushing the envelope and really inappropriate shows
Speaker 1: like Who's Your Dad at Yeah? And you know they
Speaker 1: get they get women up on a stage and take
Speaker 1: a laser point and go, oh you could you know
Speaker 1: if you lost a little way here. Remember that disgusting
Speaker 1: show is really body negativity time in reality TV. And
Speaker 1: then the head of Fox left and the new head
Speaker 1: of Fox came from FX, which was a very cool
Speaker 1: cable show, cable NETWORKX. I'll tell you about what Botch
Speaker 1: was called. Before it was called Botch, it was. It
Speaker 1: was actually called Nip Believe it or not. It was,
Speaker 1: and we loved it, but the advertiser, the advertisers didn't
Speaker 1: like it, so they changed it. But anyway, so right,
Speaker 1: I remember it was ten o'clock at night. He was
Speaker 1: a Tuesday. I was at Arthur Smith Productions, you know,
Speaker 1: the guy does all the top chef shows and everything,
Speaker 1: and they I'm looking at the patients and oh, and
Speaker 1: we're pushing the envelope. The third season. We're going to
Speaker 1: do trip twins and we're gonna do triplets. And there
Speaker 1: was two plasters, me and another guy who I trained
Speaker 1: with the UCLA he was going to do one. I
Speaker 1: was going to do two and see what the difference was.
Speaker 1: It was like such a bad message anyway, So the
Speaker 1: one of the people over, the executives over go you
Speaker 1: can go home now, and I go, what, because, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can go home now, give us a call tomorrow.
Speaker 1: And I walk out of there and go, I think
Speaker 1: the show just got canceled. And the first move this
Speaker 1: guy did, who coming over from FFEX, goes, I'm canceling
Speaker 1: that terrible TV show, The Swan. So we got canceled
Speaker 1: because it was the most if you if you google
Speaker 1: worst reality shows of all time. I did the top two.
Speaker 1: I did The Swan and a show called Bridal Plastic.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so it got canceled. It got canceled, and
Speaker 1: then I went back to my practice and operated like
Speaker 1: a mania for the next four years. And then he
Speaker 1: asked me to do the show called Bridal Plasty that
Speaker 1: went only one season. And this also, body positivity was
Speaker 1: getting even more and more important, and body shaming was
Speaker 1: becoming a colloquial term, as it should, and we were
Speaker 1: taking these engaged women, okay, engaged women, putting him in
Speaker 1: a house. Every week they would compete in a wedding
Speaker 1: related challenge, and if they won the wedding related challenge,
Speaker 1: they got to have Terry Debrou do a plastic surgery
Speaker 1: procedure on the Oh my gosh. And then if you
Speaker 1: won the whole show, Terry Debru would do a head
Speaker 1: to toe makeover on you. But here was the caveat
Speaker 1: your fiance couldn't see you till the day you got married,
Speaker 1: and they lift the veil and now he's seeing you
Speaker 1: for the first time, completely made over. It was like,
Speaker 1: so that's the number two worst reality show. I could
Speaker 1: say why it was. It was a pretty big hit.
Speaker 1: But that was just when Julianna Ransick was colleing Zendia
Speaker 1: the weird things that she got in trouble for. Remember
Speaker 1: I don't remember on Fashion Police and body shaming coming.
Speaker 1: So they just said, okay, never mind, and they canceled
Speaker 1: that show too. Yeah. In fact, they so hated that show.
Speaker 1: They flew me out to the View to have me
Speaker 1: sit there at the table with the View women just
Speaker 1: to rag on me for doing the show. That's what
Speaker 1: they do, and so I know, and they said, do
Speaker 1: you really want to do this? And I said to NBCU,
Speaker 1: I go, do I want to do this? They go, yeah,
Speaker 1: go do it? You're good? You know. I went okay,
Speaker 1: And I remember arriving in New York going up the
Speaker 1: service elevator to do the show, and the pie goes,
Speaker 1: are you really ready for this? Like like they're going
Speaker 1: to kill you? You know. I lines that long story short.
Speaker 1: I get up there, I go to have my makeup
Speaker 1: and I go into the makeup room and they're all
Speaker 1: sitting there. Barbara Walters ope up, whoopee what's her name?
Speaker 1: The comedian, and they go, oh, you know. I go
Speaker 1: and I shmoozed them. He them like, I do you know?
Speaker 1: I you know what was that called on that that
Speaker 1: vampire show where they used to take v what was
Speaker 1: that not be? Anyway? I glammed them, you know anyway,
Speaker 1: and by the time I got there, they liked me
Speaker 1: so much they couldn't go there. Yeah, I saved it
Speaker 1: by the way. I went on Doctor Phil when I
Speaker 1: did the Swan, he brought me on to trash me too,
Speaker 1: and I shmoozed him and he went, well, Terry, maybe
Speaker 1: it's such a good idea of the d ND show.
Speaker 1: I go, You're you're not wrong, Doctor Phil. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that show got canceled. That show got canceled, and then nothing.
Speaker 1: So I just went to my practice and then to
Speaker 1: lead into how I got botch it, That's what you're
Speaker 1: asking is that when you're we're kind of going there editions,
Speaker 1: we're at home, and the financial crisis hits, the global
Speaker 1: financial crisis, and I'm sure you guys have specific memories
Speaker 1: of that time right where if you were in real estate,
Speaker 1: it was over. Whether you win any service industry, it
Speaker 1: was over. And you know, all of our practices, even
Speaker 1: my practice was very slow. And it happened over lap
Speaker 1: a time where I'm building this giant mansion in Pelican Crest,
Speaker 1: Newport Beach, and it's like, this is not the time
Speaker 1: to cut off cash flow here, Okay, I was in
Speaker 1: the last ten percent of the remember that house ye
Speaker 1: in Pelican Chris. That was a beauty, wasn't it? Anyway?
Speaker 1: So I thought, all right, okay, all right, so what
Speaker 1: am I going to do? So I took out an
Speaker 1: iPad like this, and I concepted a reality TV show
Speaker 1: of these high end women in Newport Beach who know
Speaker 1: didn't don't know shit about restaurants, opening up a restaurant
Speaker 1: because they were going to do that. All these high
Speaker 1: like the wife of the CEO of Smith Wesson, this
Speaker 1: beautiful woman, my wife, these five other women whose husbands
Speaker 1: were like billionaires were they said, let's open a restaurant.
Speaker 1: I thought, that's a reality show. So I wrote, I
Speaker 1: looked up how to write a treatment? Right, and I,
Speaker 1: by the way, I did this at three and four
Speaker 1: in the morning, of course, because that's that's where I'm
Speaker 1: most away. How to do a treatment, and so oh,
Speaker 1: how do you do a treatment? So I wrote up
Speaker 1: Pelican Hill Wife Show or now what was it called? Anyway,
Speaker 1: because we knew would be a fail, and I set
Speaker 1: it off to literally eight production companies. Then I just
Speaker 1: what are the top production companies? And there was a
Speaker 1: three ball that did Biggest Loser, there was this, there
Speaker 1: was that, And I said who does the housewives? And
Speaker 1: it said evolution. So I sent off and I said,
Speaker 1: Denny's wanted interested in this treatment? Please email me back.
Speaker 1: It was such a good treatment, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I mean, the characters were so good. I had their
Speaker 1: pictures and description of all the women that the Immediately
Speaker 1: within forty eight hours, everyone said let's take a meeting.
Speaker 1: So we were going to do a deal long story
Speaker 1: shirt with some other production company. And then I got
Speaker 1: an email from Evolution, from Alex Baskin of all people,
Speaker 1: who was kind of a junior guy back then, and
Speaker 1: he said, come in for a meeting. So I drove
Speaker 1: my hybrid over. The women flew their helicopter over, and
Speaker 1: I met with Alex basket I go, let me tell
Speaker 1: you about the women you're going to meet. We had
Speaker 1: a meeting and I go, sort, are you interested? He goes,
Speaker 1: I'll call you. So on the way, Homie calls me
Speaker 1: and I said, I know you're interested in doing a deal,
Speaker 1: right because I said, but we're already kind of doing
Speaker 1: a deal with a bigger company. He goes, let me
Speaker 1: pitch you something rather than you do that show, which
Speaker 1: probably has a small chance of actually getting picked up.
Speaker 1: Why doesn't your wife come on Real Housewives of Orange
Speaker 1: County and you can incubate that show on Real Housewives
Speaker 1: of Orange County. And I go, good, idea start out
Speaker 1: on a hit show, branch off the hit show. So
Speaker 1: I get home and my wife goes, so what did
Speaker 1: that Evolution think? And I go, they think you might.
Speaker 1: They want you to come you to come on Real
Speaker 1: Housewives of Orange County and she goes, no way. That
Speaker 1: is the final nail on the cop into my acting career.
Speaker 1: And back then it wasn't like being on Housewives now.
Speaker 1: Being on Housewives now as being like, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: like on an A list show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's why by the way, run well?
Speaker 1: I mean, who's the third banana on a sitcom on NBC?
Speaker 1: No idea, who's the new housewife? Everybody in the world
Speaker 1: knows the new housewife? Right yea? So true. So it's
Speaker 1: a big deal now, but it wasn't back then. It
Speaker 1: was kind of like, you know, the dregs of TV kind.
Speaker 2: I remember that distinctively, because you were so excited to
Speaker 2: be on the show and you were all about the show,
Speaker 2: and Heather was like.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be a part of this. Pissed And so I was
Speaker 1: lying to Alec Baskin the whole time, Oh she's doing it.
Speaker 1: Oh she's doing it. So he sends the contract. I
Speaker 1: write head their due bro, I send it in and
Speaker 1: she goes. And then I literally forced her to do it,
Speaker 1: and I mean her first few seasons she hated it
Speaker 1: so much. It's not that anybody really likes it now,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, they're right. But at least
Speaker 1: you understand it now, you know you can get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so, at the exact same time, and I'll shorten this,
Speaker 1: but the exact same time, Paul Nassip was on Real
Speaker 1: Housewives of Beverly Hills, and the first two seeds of
Speaker 1: Real Housewives Beverly Hills were really entertaining. I even watched it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I never watched Orange County because I didn't watch it.
Speaker 1: I'm a guy a housewives show, right, But I watched that.
Speaker 1: He got divorced, he left the show, and he wanted
Speaker 1: that TV juice back. So and he and I weren't
Speaker 1: practice together in Beverly Hills for a short period of time,
Speaker 1: and then we weren't practice. I stayed down in Newport
Speaker 1: Beach and he calls me one day and he goes,
Speaker 1: you do a lot of revisional surgery, don't you? And
Speaker 1: I go yeah. He goes, why don't we do a
Speaker 1: show about fixing bad plastic surgery? And I go, that's
Speaker 1: kind of a shitty idea. He goes, why. I go,
Speaker 1: because if we if other guys haven't been able to
Speaker 1: fix it? What makes us so special? And what do
Speaker 1: we do on the show when we've ruined them? He goes,
Speaker 1: I think we could do it, And it was sort
Speaker 1: of his idea at Alex's idea, and we did a sizzle,
Speaker 1: a three minute sizzle in his office, us just looking
Speaker 1: at before pictures of people who are trashed and me
Speaker 1: making fun of Paul, and it had instant chemistry Easton
Speaker 1: chemistry so much so that E went straight to series Wow,
Speaker 1: and we did no pilot. We did eight episodes, and
Speaker 1: I remember we finished the season. We made it through
Speaker 1: the season successfully and we flew to New York and
Speaker 1: Twitter was very new then, very very new twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: very new, and we're sitting there at a restaurant. We
Speaker 1: said to the bartender, Hey, could you turn on this
Speaker 1: show on E? He goes why, He goes, well, because
Speaker 1: this is a new show and we're on it. He
Speaker 1: turns it on. I'm sitting there on Twitter like this
Speaker 1: and it's like, love this show, greatest show. I go, WHOA,
Speaker 1: we might have something here because I had one pole.
Speaker 1: I go, I go, the show is probably gonna and
Speaker 1: we got picked up for season two and three right away. Wow,
Speaker 1: after three episodes and then the rest is history. And
Speaker 1: ten years later, you're.
Speaker 2: Right, are you still filming a much?
Speaker 1: So I'm not really. I'm gonna say this in a
Speaker 1: very vague way, okay, because you know how it works
Speaker 1: in this business. There's something new, Okay, that that I'm doing.
Speaker 1: That's that's that in my little world is even bigger
Speaker 1: than watched. Wow. Yeah, that's big. And it's it's it's going,
Speaker 1: it's going on right now. It could be a total disaster,
Speaker 1: but it's it's like Botch times two. Yeah. And it's
Speaker 1: not the Botch doctors. It's me and Bop up up by.
Speaker 1: You know, you know how it works. I can't get
Speaker 1: out until it's a thing. Uh. And it's it's really
Speaker 1: exciting and really scary, and you know, it's maybe a
Speaker 1: February thing, but it's it's it's it's so until we
Speaker 1: don't know what the So what happened with Botch is interesting.
Speaker 1: So NBCUS sold the first season of Botch to Netflix.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, and so it came out on Netflix and
Speaker 1: it was the number two show on Netflix for like
Speaker 1: three weeks in a row. The season one of Botched,
Speaker 1: and when they look at the stats, because my agent
Speaker 1: does that kind of thing. The number one show this
Speaker 1: year on Netflix, that's a re that's a repurposed show
Speaker 1: that a show that was elsewhere is as you know,
Speaker 1: Suits is Suits, right, yeah, Suits. The number one, number
Speaker 1: two is Botched.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Wow is Botched.
Speaker 2: The typical reality show where you don't get residuals. You
Speaker 2: don't get any.
Speaker 1: Of that nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the difference is the benefit for someone like me
Speaker 1: who does a show like Botch. You know, if it
Speaker 1: feeds your primary business, you're very, very lucky.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Are you at the point where you have surgeons
Speaker 2: working for you?
Speaker 1: I don't do that, Okay, I don't do that. I
Speaker 1: never have a surgeon. I don't let surgeons come in
Speaker 1: my operating room. I don't think. Look, I thought about this,
Speaker 1: and most guys would do this. And what you can
Speaker 1: do is you can run two or three rooms, start
Speaker 1: the surgery here, have a junior guy finish it up.
Speaker 1: Start the surgery here, and literally make three times the money.
Speaker 2: Do that.
Speaker 1: I put in every stitch, I do every procedure, I
Speaker 1: do one at a time. And I think part of
Speaker 1: that is just I think that's the right thing to
Speaker 1: do karmically, and the other thing is I'm too para,
Speaker 1: you know, because like the chance that something bad is
Speaker 1: going to happen and somebody's going to try to extort
Speaker 1: me for it is relatively high anyway. So the best
Speaker 1: way to minimize any problems is to be a good dude,
Speaker 1: to be an honest dude, and do all the work yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Actually, I mean if you would have told me after
Speaker 1: ten seasons, ten years of Botch that included Watch by Nature, Botch,
Speaker 1: post up, other shows in the batch umbrella, that we've
Speaker 1: had like two unhappy patients, Yeah, I mean, think about it.
Speaker 1: I would if you would have said to me ten
Speaker 1: years ago, how many people do you think I'll sue
Speaker 1: you within those ten seasons, I'd say, oh, I'll have
Speaker 1: fifteen lawsuits, And I've only had one and it was
Speaker 1: a BS extortion And I told Harvey Levin about I'm
Speaker 1: being extorted, and Harvey put it on TMZ and they
Speaker 1: all just went and they ran away. So it's good
Speaker 1: to be close to Harvey Levin, by the way.
Speaker 3: It is, by the way, I'm curious. I'm curious. Back then,
Speaker 3: real Housewives. Your wife's on it, you're you're un botched.
Speaker 3: Who got paid more? You're her as far as the
Speaker 3: shows are concerned.
Speaker 1: So she I didn't get botched till she was on
Speaker 1: I think four seasons or yeah, four, So yes, you
Speaker 1: guys know, well maybe you don't, Eddie because she's been
Speaker 1: on it for so long. But as you guys know,
Speaker 1: your first couple of seasons, it's like it doesn't pay
Speaker 1: your hair and makeup right on Orange in Orange County.
Speaker 1: So I think it was pretty close, like my starting
Speaker 1: point to where Heather was a season four and then
Speaker 1: and then she ultimately made more, but you know, and
Speaker 1: now like what is it now? It's pretty close. We
Speaker 1: get paid aby out the same, but you got to
Speaker 1: be you know. But you have to understand, I to
Speaker 1: be a big plastic surgeon with an operate with a
Speaker 1: surgery center and an office that is about two hundred
Speaker 1: thousand a month you need to make just to break
Speaker 1: even even. Yeah, so if you take away a day
Speaker 1: of filming a week, yeah, and three quarters a day
Speaker 1: of filming surgery a week, right, you do the math.
Speaker 1: It it takes I make a lot more money operating
Speaker 1: than I do being the botch doctor. Okay, and if
Speaker 1: they let's say they paid me, which they don't. But
Speaker 1: then let's pay say they paid me one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: an episode to do botch, which they don't. You know,
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand is not worth a day and a
Speaker 1: half for me. I got to pay this overhead. That's
Speaker 1: two hundred things, you know what I mean. So it's
Speaker 1: very expensive to run out. I have, you know, twenty
Speaker 1: two employees. I mean, it's a it's and by the way,
Speaker 1: my employees have all been with me for twenty years,
Speaker 1: so they're hay scale is all here. You know what
Speaker 1: a lot of doctors do and I've never done this
Speaker 1: is Oh somebody starts to make too much, you fire
Speaker 1: them and you get the junior person who makes this.
Speaker 1: And by everybody is at the top of the pay scale.
Speaker 1: In fact, my coordinators and my pa get paid more
Speaker 1: than doctors do.
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, Oh the time the right company.
Speaker 1: I love them. They protect me. They keep me out
Speaker 1: of trouble. You know. Although I had a patient the
Speaker 1: other day.
Speaker 2: Listen to this.
Speaker 1: So this patient I go in to see her and
Speaker 1: she's this rich woman with all these diamonds, and she's
Speaker 1: messed up that's a good combo platter, right, because messed
Speaker 1: up and rich, I mean, where else they gonna go?
Speaker 1: They have to go to the box doctor. And so
Speaker 1: she goes, I want you to fix this. I want
Speaker 1: you to fix this. I want you to fix this.
Speaker 1: I want you to fix this.
Speaker 2: And she was.
Speaker 1: Totally unlikable and totally mean, and it sued three of
Speaker 1: her four doctors. And so I walk out, I hand
Speaker 1: the chart to my surgery coording in the hallway. I go,
Speaker 1: not for a million dollars? And she goes, really, I go, yeah.
Speaker 1: So she takes the lady out and she goes, she
Speaker 1: walks in, she goes and she's in the hallway and
Speaker 1: I go what. She goes, how about two hundred and
Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars? And I go to forty? I would do.
Speaker 1: Everybody's got a price. I'm kidding. I'm sort of kidding.
Speaker 1: I'm sort of kidding. Maybe not, but uh, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's very expensive to be a plastic serge, particularly
Speaker 1: when you're you know, have the same employees forever. So
Speaker 1: I've watched is a net negative for sure. But let's
Speaker 1: face it, do I really need any more money? I've
Speaker 1: done pretty well.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, so well, it's a marketing platform for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but do I really need it after ten seasons?
Speaker 1: I mean, how much more? I mean, I'm not that famous, right,
Speaker 1: You guys have the same les of fame I do.
Speaker 1: Everyone knows who we are, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And we're not getting any more famous by doing ten
Speaker 1: more seasons of whatever we do, right if this is it?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to get any more famous as
Speaker 1: a plaster I don't need as a marketing and they're
Speaker 1: gonna run Botched. You turn on E right now, you
Speaker 1: turn on Peacock right now? What do you think is running?
Speaker 1: What do you think is running on E? A marathon
Speaker 1: of Botch on E? A marathon of Box is running
Speaker 1: on E? Right? And so it's on Netflix, It's on
Speaker 1: It's on Peacock, it's running right now. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: always on TV. So it doesn't really I don't need anymore.
Speaker 1: You know what I love about it? It's us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fun. Yeah, it's fascinating. It's like the most interesting
Speaker 1: thing I do is Botched by far.
Speaker 2: And you've actually helped people. It wasn't just for the show.
Speaker 2: You help people.
Speaker 1: It's the hugs and the tears and the You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny about plastic surgery. If there are certain operations
Speaker 1: that nobody does very much, nobody is good at them.
Speaker 1: But there's operations that nobody does that are very rare.
Speaker 1: That if because you're the botch doctor, you get to
Speaker 1: do them all the time, you get really good at it. Right,
Speaker 1: So I can do this, Like there's a thing called
Speaker 1: a uniboo where there's two there one breast goes over
Speaker 1: to the other side because the doctor dissected too far.
Speaker 1: That in the textbooks is considered not fixable. Nobody tries
Speaker 1: to fix it. I can fix it in twenty minutes
Speaker 1: with one hundred percent success. Not because I'm so special,
Speaker 1: because I'm not. It's just because I've done it so
Speaker 1: many times experience. So to apply this skill set, I
Speaker 1: don't want to let it go. I just it's so fun.
Speaker 1: But this new thing I'm doing is super weird and
Speaker 1: super fascinating. You guys will see you know what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, before we go any further, I want to
Speaker 2: I was really interested in learning about what it was
Speaker 2: like growing up with the rock star.
Speaker 1: How did that happen? So so my brother you know,
Speaker 1: as intense and pressured speech and crazy as I am.
Speaker 1: My brother is on another level. Okay, wow, my brother,
Speaker 1: if he were talking to you right now, this is
Speaker 1: my my brother. Yeah, well, you know, you know and
Speaker 1: so and quite a brilliant guy who they tested his IQ.
Speaker 1: It was through the roof and they let him know.
Speaker 1: And he was very obnoxious that he just runs in
Speaker 1: the family and so he like at ninth grade, he
Speaker 1: walked in and someone said to him, you have a
Speaker 1: higher IQ than any teacher you're going to have, And
Speaker 1: that was the worst thing you could say to an
Speaker 1: asshole like my brother. He was three years older than me,
Speaker 1: and he never had respect for teachers. And he dropped
Speaker 1: out of high school in the eleventh grade. Wow was
Speaker 1: he a band at that time? So all he wanted
Speaker 1: to do. He was so into rock music, you know,
Speaker 1: and really the classic rock music. You know. It started
Speaker 1: out with Mata Hoople and then The Faces and then
Speaker 1: the Small Faces, and then of course Led Zeppelin, you
Speaker 1: know who was you know, Free and then back Bob
Speaker 1: but you know, all these bands from the seventies, right,
Speaker 1: he was obsessed. We had a teeny little room in
Speaker 1: this house. He had two little beds, his drum set,
Speaker 1: his posters on the wall. I was allowed to have
Speaker 1: one little section. He hated me and he was mean
Speaker 1: to me. And he was super tall. Oh man, So
Speaker 1: I grew up with this a hole. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: was all about He had a real de real thing
Speaker 1: in there and his drum set and he would play.
Speaker 1: He'd start playing drums when I was in bed, oh man,
Speaker 1: and I go, really, go get out. I go, okay,
Speaker 1: so I get out. So he drops out and he
Speaker 1: started a band called Quiet Riot. Yeah, of course, and
Speaker 1: then it was him and Randy Rhodes. I mean, it
Speaker 1: just so happened. One of the most talented guitarists in history,
Speaker 1: arguably top certainly top fifteen best guitarists of all time.
Speaker 1: I don't know about top ten, but certainly is always
Speaker 1: listed in the top fifteen. Some people rated him a seven.
Speaker 2: You probably know who Randy Roads is due, not really.
Speaker 1: Randy Rhodes was in Quiet Riot, and then Ozzy Osbourne
Speaker 1: stolen you know that yeah, crazy trained, you know that
Speaker 1: guitar lick that was ready anyway, so they could they
Speaker 1: formed Quiet Riot. They were good, by the way. My
Speaker 1: brother was so intense and so ambitious. He was a
Speaker 1: great drummer, but couldn't sing at all at all. But
Speaker 1: he wanted to be a front man and want to
Speaker 1: be a singer. So what he did is he just
Speaker 1: willed himself to learn how to sing. Now, let's face it, singing,
Speaker 1: can you really become a good singer if you don't
Speaker 1: have the fundamental talent you can become by the way
Speaker 1: you're shitty with your hands. You can become a good surgeon.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah you can't.
Speaker 1: It's it's a trainable skill. I don't think rock and roll.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: don't think so. You can't will yourself to become good looking,
Speaker 1: right And I don't think you give surgery. You can't.
Speaker 1: But I don't think you certainly can't do anything to your.
Speaker 2: Voice like that.
Speaker 1: Right. No. No, He, through willpower and just fundamental ambition
Speaker 1: and intense desire willed himself to find a rock and
Speaker 1: roll voice somewhere in there. Wow, And he did. And
Speaker 1: they they would play at the Roxy, they played the
Speaker 1: star Wood, they play at the Whiskey, and they would
Speaker 1: sell it out every night. But they couldn't get a
Speaker 1: record deal, and there would be a lineup all the
Speaker 1: way around the block every time they were at the Roxy,
Speaker 1: star Wood and Whiskey, and they couldn't get a record deal.
Speaker 1: And then I remember one night, I'm sitting there watching
Speaker 1: my brother. I'm up you know the sort of up
Speaker 1: the you know the seats above where you sit down,
Speaker 1: and I'm up there and there's Ozzy Osbourne, Robert Palmer,
Speaker 1: Robert Palmer, Carl Palmer, the drummer for Emerson, Lake and Palmer.
Speaker 1: And I'm going, whoa look at these guys up here.
Speaker 1: And I see Ozzy Osbourne talking to Carl Palmer, and
Speaker 1: I had a bad feeling, and he goes Ozzy Osbourne
Speaker 1: goes down and you see him talking to Randy Rhodes
Speaker 1: and he stole Randy Rhodes from Choir Riot. And my
Speaker 1: brother was devastated because it was Randy Rhodes. He had
Speaker 1: the greatest guitars, so Ozzie stole him and my brother
Speaker 1: was devastated. Got new guitars, but it wasn't it doesn't
Speaker 1: you know Randy roads anymore, Long story short, Randy ends
Speaker 1: up dying because they crashed into a bus with the
Speaker 1: makeup artist on tour. They rented the plane and my
Speaker 1: brother two years later had a number one album. Wow yeah,
Speaker 1: and so so quick story about that. I am a
Speaker 1: second I'm a second year med student at.
Speaker 2: UCLA and my brother number one record.
Speaker 1: When he got his number one record, he let me
Speaker 1: live in the guest house in the back over the
Speaker 1: garage next to the pool in Hancock Parking. Got a
Speaker 1: big mansion and he let me live there. My only
Speaker 1: job was to watch his cat, Larry. That's it. So
Speaker 1: I got to live rent free in Hancock park in
Speaker 1: a mansion in the back right and go to UCLA
Speaker 1: med school and take care of his cat.
Speaker 3: I'm curious, did he leave you any of the.
Speaker 1: Leftover roopies? No? And so he would come home from
Speaker 1: he would come home for tour with David Lee Roth
Speaker 1: and Eddie Van Halen and they would play pool. There'd
Speaker 1: be naked girls all around. This is back when it
Speaker 1: was I'm sure it's still crazy. This is back when
Speaker 1: it was really crazy, right where cocaine was not like dangerous,
Speaker 1: it was just fun. All right, Candy, You know, Candy,
Speaker 1: this is nineteen eighty two, all right, eighty three. Nobody
Speaker 1: died from cocaine back then. Yet, so one night he
Speaker 1: comes home and he's true was touring Germany, and I
Speaker 1: heard he was going to be here and there. For
Speaker 1: some reason, something got canceled, so he thought he'd fly home.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. And there in the back and I
Speaker 1: hear all these cars pull up, because you know, they
Speaker 1: pulled up with all the rock star cars. And it's
Speaker 1: like three forty eight in the morning, and I hear this.
Speaker 1: My brother was an asshole, by the way, and he
Speaker 1: was very coked out, okay all the time, and I'm going,
Speaker 1: what the hell. I look down and he goes and
Speaker 1: I go, oh hey, you know, and he goes, where's
Speaker 1: Larry his cat? And I go, oh shit, where's Larry.
Speaker 1: My one job, the one thing I was responsible for
Speaker 1: to live there Red Free, was to take care of
Speaker 1: his cat. And so I go and I'm looking around
Speaker 1: in the guesthouse and there's no Larry. Oh shit, I know.
Speaker 1: And so I come out and I put my scrubs on.
Speaker 1: I'd be at work in an hour at UCLA anyway,
Speaker 1: but it was like three forty eight and I couldn't
Speaker 1: find Larry. He was so pissed by the time I
Speaker 1: got home the next day. Because I was on call
Speaker 1: that night. My mom called me. She goes, honey, I
Speaker 1: go what. She goes, your brother wants you out of there.
Speaker 1: He kicked me out of the house because I can't
Speaker 1: that what job? What JOm job? Wow? And so just
Speaker 1: to one other interesting story, So I'm first year Usilly
Speaker 1: med student. My brother gets a record contract with CBS. Okay,
Speaker 1: and he the album comes out and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden it appears on Billboard charts. When you know that
Speaker 1: you would buy LPs and it was they to the
Speaker 1: top one hundred and it was ninety eight with a
Speaker 1: bullet And I come home and you know it was
Speaker 1: the answer machines, you play the thing? I honey, it
Speaker 1: was my mom. She goes, your brother's album is ninety
Speaker 1: eight with a bullet. I go, whoa, Kevin's on the
Speaker 1: one hundred Billboard chart. Wow. And the next week, Hi, honey,
Speaker 1: it's ninety two with a bullet. Okay, how does it?
Speaker 1: And this continued on thirteen with a bullet. Eight with
Speaker 1: a bullet, because with a bullet meant you were going
Speaker 1: to go higher next week okay, because that man's accelerated growth,
Speaker 1: accelerated sales. And then the next week after that it
Speaker 1: comes out and number one album in the country was
Speaker 1: Metal Health by Quiet Riot. Number two was Thriller by
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, and number three was All Night Long by
Speaker 1: Lionel Richard.
Speaker 2: It was like, wow, that was the eighties, right, that
Speaker 2: was eighty two eighty two?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, I'm sorry eighty four. That was eighty four.
Speaker 2: I remember those songs. Yeah, yeah, And so.
Speaker 1: You know that that was sort of the evolue. And
Speaker 1: then when he came home, it was just a different
Speaker 1: It was a different world. He was much more coked,
Speaker 1: his cars were much more radical, you know, Ferrari. And
Speaker 1: then I remember when the album hit number one, he's
Speaker 1: flying in to play at the Forum, which they call
Speaker 1: what do they call it now, the Great westerns whatever
Speaker 1: it's called now? Is it called Staples? I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: Kia now, But it was called the Great Western Forum.
Speaker 1: It was called the Forum. It was like the place
Speaker 1: you wanted to headline. And he invited me there and
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen him for three months because he's been
Speaker 1: on tour all over the world. And they I go
Speaker 1: backstage and they go, hey, your brother wants to see you,
Speaker 1: and he sees me. He goes like this, right, and
Speaker 1: he takes me out backstage, and you know, the opening
Speaker 1: act had already closed, and they brought all his equipment
Speaker 1: out and he opens up the curtain like this and
Speaker 1: he says, look at that. And I look through and
Speaker 1: there's seventeen thousand lighters. Wow. Cool, wowes rush, he goes.
Speaker 1: You want to know what it's like. He was, this
Speaker 1: is what it's like. Yeah, and then he comes out.
Speaker 1: You know, it was like out of that. What a rush, right,
Speaker 1: that's the ultimate rush. But he give me out of
Speaker 1: the house. So, kim, Hey, you lost his cat. I
Speaker 1: lost his cat? Yes, oh good, good. By the way,
Speaker 1: like the cat, you know where the cat was in
Speaker 1: the main house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's funny. He was just.
Speaker 1: Pissed that I didn't know where the cat was. Cat
Speaker 1: was in the house. Oh wow.
Speaker 2: So hey, I remember last time we had dinner. You
Speaker 2: said you did not drink an ounce of alcohol until
Speaker 2: you met Heather True. Tell us about that. How do
Speaker 2: you go through med school and not drink alcohol?
Speaker 1: So in high school I didn't drink. I did smoke weed,
Speaker 1: okay a little bit when I was when I was
Speaker 1: in twelfth grade, I discovered weed. But you know, I
Speaker 1: went to college to be a doctor, right, and so
Speaker 1: I was so you know, my stepfather was a construction
Speaker 1: plumber who was out of work all the time. I
Speaker 1: never had any money growing up, and I felt like,
Speaker 1: if I don't get into medical school, what the hell
Speaker 1: am I gonna do? You know? So I was always
Speaker 1: I was and getting into med school. I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: even harder now, but it was really, really, really hard
Speaker 1: back then. And like you sit your chemistry class and
Speaker 1: they say how many of your pre met? Everybody raise
Speaker 1: their head, and so they go look to your left,
Speaker 1: look to your right. Neither of you are getting in.
Speaker 1: That's he competitive, so plan for something else. So it
Speaker 1: was like I was so paranoid and I had a
Speaker 1: bad experience with alcohol when I was twelve. I somebody
Speaker 1: gave you some whiskey. I threw up for like hours.
Speaker 1: So I didn't drink in college. Can you believe that
Speaker 1: I didn't drink in medical school. I really didn't drink
Speaker 1: till I met Heather. And when I met Heather, Steps
Speaker 1: in the City was a huge program on TV okay,
Speaker 1: and it was just when they they're the ones that
Speaker 1: made Cosmo really popular. And if you don't drink, you
Speaker 1: can drink a Cosmos, right easy, like surely exactly. So
Speaker 1: she turned me. She goes, let's have a Cosmo. So
Speaker 1: I'd have a Cosmo and it's Heather's so elegant and
Speaker 1: beautiful and awesome. And so I drink Cosmo and go, oh,
Speaker 1: this is good. She does, and so I would have,
Speaker 1: you know, one or two and then slowly, when you're
Speaker 1: married to Heather Debro, you become a drinker, right, And
Speaker 1: so unfortunately I substituted alcohol for marijuana. I should have
Speaker 1: stuck with the marijuana. And now I obviously enjoy drinking.
Speaker 1: I keep it. You know, I don't try not to
Speaker 1: drink during the week, but uh, you know, Heather and
Speaker 1: I drink. I mean, you're not married to Heather de
Speaker 1: Bro and not drink. If you are, you're not hanging
Speaker 1: out with her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand you guys were you met on a
Speaker 2: blind date? Right?
Speaker 1: So I went to I did general surgery with a
Speaker 1: really so I was chief resident General Surgery with three
Speaker 1: other guys with our four chief residents in my year.
Speaker 1: And one of the guys was an incredibly gifted, intense
Speaker 1: like black Belding, karate and super genius. This guy was like,
Speaker 1: you know, you could give him what's three hundred and
Speaker 1: forty three times eleven hundred and seventy yeight, he'd go
Speaker 1: and he tell you it. He was one of these three.
Speaker 1: He was a savant. He was a little Elon muskis
Speaker 1: little Aspergers, you know, not the greatest personality, not that
Speaker 1: much empathy. But he was a surgeon, which is not
Speaker 1: uncommon for a surgeon. And he went off to do
Speaker 1: liver transplant fellowship and the best program in the country
Speaker 1: at Philadelphia. And I went off to do plastic surgery UCLA.
Speaker 1: I graduated, and I was a serial monogamist. Okay, I
Speaker 1: was the kind of guy who by the really quick story,
Speaker 1: I remember my mother used to say, when you get
Speaker 1: into med school, girls are going to really like you.
Speaker 1: I get into med school, Nah, girls didn't like me
Speaker 1: that much. And then I got into this competitive general
Speaker 1: surgery program. My mom goes, oh, when you're a surgeon,
Speaker 1: girls are gonna like you.
Speaker 2: Didn't really, it's.
Speaker 1: Not really true. And then I get into UCLA's plastic
Speaker 1: surgery program, you know, and my mom goes, well, you're
Speaker 1: a plastic surgeon, girls are gonna really like you. Finally
Speaker 1: it was true. So that's how I scored someone like
Speaker 1: Heather debrou looking like this right. So I graduate, I
Speaker 1: open up my practice in Newport Beach. My buddy does
Speaker 1: liver transplant surgery. And I'm like three or four years
Speaker 1: into my practice and I get a call. Hey, there's
Speaker 1: a doctor Craig Smith on the phone. I go, Craig
Speaker 1: Smith from General Surgery. I go, what's happening? I go,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? He goes, I'm doing Patreo's transplants
Speaker 1: now at UCLA. I go, wow. He goes, Hey, the
Speaker 1: reason I'm calling? Are you still single? I go, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just broke up with my girlfriend. I was a
Speaker 1: serial monogamist. I would go out with girls for three
Speaker 1: months and then get bored. Take him on a shopping
Speaker 1: trip because I was a single plastic surgeon. Who you
Speaker 1: know me? I don't like stuff. I don't drive a
Speaker 1: fancy car. I don't have any one I dress. You've
Speaker 1: seen me. No jewelry, I'm simple man. No jewelry. It's
Speaker 1: all black until they make a darker color, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I you know, I don't spend money. I
Speaker 1: don't care about money. I care about having fun. And
Speaker 1: so he I go, oh. So I would always take
Speaker 1: the girlfriend I wanted to dump for a shopping trip.
Speaker 1: They didn't know, but that was the last day and
Speaker 1: I get rid of them. So I done the shopping
Speaker 1: excursion with the last girlfriend, who, by the way, ended
Speaker 1: up killing two kids in on West Lake twenty years
Speaker 1: later after she got married drunk. You know this case.
Speaker 1: I was her boyfriend twenty years before. Maybe you don't
Speaker 1: know it, but it's a famous case. Anyway, he goes.
Speaker 3: I'm curious, what was the psychology of getting them all
Speaker 3: these presents before you dumped them?
Speaker 1: Guilt guilt relief. Yeah. I would go out for three months,
Speaker 1: three in tense months. I'm into you, I'm into you,
Speaker 1: I'm into you, not into you and so, and it's
Speaker 1: like they think I'm really into them. I'm faded, I'm
Speaker 1: over it. And I just couldn't bring myself to break
Speaker 1: up with them without giving them a partying gift, good man.
Speaker 1: So I would take them. I literally would take them
Speaker 1: to Neiman Marcus and say whatever you want. And they
Speaker 1: would always think that, oh, we're going to the next
Speaker 1: level he's takings and I would drop. And this is
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five. I would drop twenty eight thousand dollars
Speaker 1: on them.
Speaker 2: Jeez, wow, that's a lot of guilt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, think about what twenty eight thousand dollars is when
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight it even.
Speaker 3: I probably saw you were going to marry them, I know,
Speaker 3: And so a new car, it's right, right, And so
Speaker 3: I did it ghost?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I done the ghost shopping trip right and
Speaker 1: with this girl. And I was single for two months,
Speaker 1: not really dating anyone. He calls me, He goes, hey,
Speaker 1: are you still seeing I go, I am. I just
Speaker 1: broke up with my girlfriend about two months ago. He goes, great,
Speaker 1: my girlfriend has a best friend. And I go, what
Speaker 1: does she do? He goes, she's an actress. I go, really,
Speaker 1: where does she wait tables? And and he goes, no,
Speaker 1: she's on a TV show. I go she is? And
Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, she's on a show called Life with
Speaker 1: Rogers Sunday nights at eight. Man go look at her?
Speaker 1: So I go. He goes, He goes, I want to
Speaker 1: set you up with her. She wants to marry She
Speaker 1: wants to meet a Jewish doctor. And I went okay.
Speaker 1: So I go home, and you know you could there
Speaker 1: was no internet then, you know, they didn't have that
Speaker 1: TV there was no AOL, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so I Sunday Night this, you know, we were
Speaker 1: going to go out Tuesday or something of the next week.
Speaker 1: Sunday Night comes on, and you know, I turn on
Speaker 1: Life with Roger and she's the bartender and she comes out.
Speaker 1: And my wife back then had very beautiful, perfect breast.
Speaker 1: This is before you know, she had no she's never
Speaker 1: had breast implants. She never had any plast surgery, right,
Speaker 1: she just fill her and botox whatever, and that face
Speaker 1: and I go, oh, she's never gonna like me. She's
Speaker 1: an actress on TV. Look at the way she looks.
Speaker 1: She was twenty eight. I'm thirty seven. Never gonna like me.
Speaker 1: And we they said, what do you want to go out?
Speaker 1: The four of us? And they want to go to
Speaker 1: the grill. I go, now, let's go to the Ivy
Speaker 1: at the shore. So we meet the Ivy at the shore.
Speaker 1: She walks in and I go, oh, yeah, this girl
Speaker 1: forget it. This goes and so this girl's never going
Speaker 1: to like me. And she was everything I like. She
Speaker 1: had that round face, that beautiful black hair, the perfect breast,
Speaker 1: this wonderful body. And she's on a TV show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, yeah, I'm a plastic surgeon. I
Speaker 1: can pull some girls, but not I'm still this all right,
Speaker 1: I'm still not pulling you know that? All right? Maybe
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys can I could never pull that,
Speaker 1: all right, even as a plastic surgeon. Right, And so
Speaker 1: we hit it off awesome. Well, and she didn't like
Speaker 1: me very much because she thought I was cocky. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't cocky. And anyway, we went out and
Speaker 1: after about six weeks that was it. Wow, that was
Speaker 1: the end of it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: So that's how I met her. And you know, here
Speaker 1: we are twenty whatever years later. She thinks I'm a pain.
Speaker 1: She thinks I'm a pain in the ass. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: loves you, she loves me. I love her. You know,
Speaker 1: she's the world's greatest mother. You know, she's she's and
Speaker 1: and he's a killer man. What she does works. You know,
Speaker 1: everything I dump on her is successful. Yeah, she's an
Speaker 1: awesome lady. Whether it's housewives or a lot and I say,
Speaker 1: just build a house. It turns out to be like, wow,
Speaker 1: you you were pretty golden. So for me, you know,
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Tell us, tell us about your experience on the real
Speaker 2: housefights of Orange County, the good and the bad. Because
Speaker 2: I mean when we met, I was I think I
Speaker 2: was just on the cusp of of I want nothing
Speaker 2: to do with this, And yeah, you were all about it,
Speaker 2: and you navigated through it very well until you finally
Speaker 2: figured it out and said, Okay, I don't want anything
Speaker 2: to do with it. I'm gonna go do my shows.
Speaker 2: And then every time we filmed, and you filmed a
Speaker 2: little bit, we found ourselves behind the camera a lot
Speaker 2: because we didn't want to be a part of the drama.
Speaker 1: Right, well the hell, you know. Right. So at the beginning,
Speaker 1: I didn't know the show because I was a guy
Speaker 1: didn't watch housewives. By the way, do you watch house
Speaker 1: Do you watch the show anymore? I don't watch it either.
Speaker 1: Only if I have to, I don't. By the way,
Speaker 1: she'll show me a scene, but I don't even want
Speaker 1: to see a scenes. I'm afraid they'll show me something
Speaker 1: it'll piss me off. So I think I think I
Speaker 1: don't want it. But at first I thought this is hilarious,
Speaker 1: Yeah this is And you know, I had no idea
Speaker 1: how dangerous it could potentially be, how we could spin
Speaker 1: out on you, how I just thought it was funny,
Speaker 1: you know, And every time I do a scene, I
Speaker 1: think to myself, I'm hilarious until they edit it. Are
Speaker 1: till they edit it, that's right. And you know, I
Speaker 1: you know, even in my medical practice, even in the
Speaker 1: midst of a trauma, I find the silliness in everything,
Speaker 1: you know, the yeah, well, that's just my thing. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm somewhere arrested in fourth grade. You know. Densy humor
Speaker 1: is like between eleven and twelve years old, right, I
Speaker 1: know that, yeah, And so I'm still that way. And
Speaker 1: so I thought it was really fun and funny. And
Speaker 1: Heather didn't want to do the show. She hated doing it.
Speaker 1: She was incredibly sensitive about it. Didn't want me to
Speaker 1: be joking on it and all that do with make
Speaker 1: me crazier and want to be sillier. And she hated
Speaker 1: me on the show. And then she resonated, as you know,
Speaker 1: she got better at it. And I think the turning
Speaker 1: point for me was when we were at the final
Speaker 1: dinner for one of the seasons and nothing was happening,
Speaker 1: and I thought, come on, I want another season. Let's
Speaker 1: get some ratings, and I scream at David Badoor.
Speaker 2: I remember that dinner and.
Speaker 1: I screamed at him, and I really didn't feel what
Speaker 1: I was screaming. I was kind of just acting to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, and to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I thought he was kind of not the greatest human
Speaker 1: being in the world, and blah blah blah, But I
Speaker 1: didn't care. I love everybody. I mean, by the way,
Speaker 1: I saw David Badour two years ago at Javier's and
Speaker 1: I walked by and I look him and I gave
Speaker 1: him a squeeze and I go, how are you? Is
Speaker 1: my way of saying. If I was a douche to
Speaker 1: you ever, I apologize, you know, but I didn't say it.
Speaker 1: But he knew what I was doing right, And so
Speaker 1: I got so burned in social media for that and
Speaker 1: so hated for doing that that I thought, oh, this
Speaker 1: is not fun, because up until that point, he's the funniest,
Speaker 1: He's the greatest. We love Terry. Here, does I love Terry?
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, go places, Oh my god, yourself funny?
Speaker 1: It was fun, right, you know, Let's face it, being
Speaker 1: on a reality show and being successful, it's like being
Speaker 1: the high school quarterback. Yeah, everybody likes you. Everybody talks
Speaker 1: to you wherever you go. It's like hey, Terry, just
Speaker 1: like hey, you know, you're not an atalist celebrity, so
Speaker 1: people aren't acting like they don't see you. Now it's
Speaker 1: maybe a little different because maybe Heather I a little
Speaker 1: more you know, you know what I mean. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. People aren't as but people are still
Speaker 1: very friendly. But whatever. So and then I ran into
Speaker 1: some negative storylines that were based partly in truth. Like
Speaker 1: I don't remember what the first really negative thing was
Speaker 1: about me. It was before it was you know, we're
Speaker 1: in two chunks, right, the first chunk and we were
Speaker 1: off and in the second chunk. And then I ran
Speaker 1: into some some shit that people were saying about me
Speaker 1: that was about maybe me as a doctor, and it
Speaker 1: was like whoa, not cool and not true? All right,
Speaker 1: and now it's like my patients were coming and they're
Speaker 1: going wow, and I'm going okay, okay. And then right
Speaker 1: about that time, I got botched. Okay, and here I am.
Speaker 1: I have my own TV show. It is a giant,
Speaker 1: at least in my little world, a giant hit. I'm
Speaker 1: the most famous, let's face it. Right then and arguably now,
Speaker 1: let's be honest, who's the most famous plastic surgeon in
Speaker 1: the world. I mean, because plast surgeons aren't on DV
Speaker 1: so it's not like there are fifty guys doing TV
Speaker 1: shows and I happen to be the most popular. I'm like,
Speaker 1: sort of it. I mean, Paul NASSIV is wonderful, but
Speaker 1: he's a bore, right right, So so here I am,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking to myself, why would I ever expose
Speaker 1: myself to anything negative when I have my own hero
Speaker 1: show that the producers say to you, Terry, why the
Speaker 1: razor's edge, say anything you want, we will never make
Speaker 1: you look bad. And it's like, so I thought, I
Speaker 1: why would I ever want to film this show again?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: All right? And then and then, as you know, when
Speaker 1: we go back on it the second chunk I go
Speaker 1: back on, I go, you know, here, I am the
Speaker 1: botch doctor. I'm pretty famous, I'm pretty pretty beloved in
Speaker 1: the plastic surgery world. I'm kind of a little bit
Speaker 1: of a surgical hero. And we bring on a housewife
Speaker 1: who sued me to twenty years ago, and it's exploited
Speaker 1: and evolution botches production company fully leans in and I went,
Speaker 1: I can't believe you would make a storyline out of
Speaker 1: me when I'm on your hit show. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: my show brings in money.
Speaker 2: For them, and it's a housewives show. Why do they
Speaker 2: make it about us? Why do they make it about you?
Speaker 1: And so it it pissed me off, and I said,
Speaker 1: I mean when I called them, when they when they
Speaker 1: exploited that, and they knew it was going on, and
Speaker 1: of course the producers all live. We didn't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't know, yea. And I said, guess what. I
Speaker 1: quit botched, I quit done. So take your fifteen million
Speaker 1: a year or whatever you make from the show and
Speaker 1: erase it for your books because I quit. And of
Speaker 1: course I said, you know what, I'm a poor acid
Speaker 1: in my own face. And so I was so mad.
Speaker 1: And so those are the negative experiences. And then you know,
Speaker 1: you ma or whatever that thing that puts out this
Speaker 1: thing that says fancy pads rumor housewife not shooting because
Speaker 1: she's fighting with her show her husband about cheating, well,
Speaker 1: not cheating, and she was filming. It was just a lie,
Speaker 1: and that exploded cheating rumors. And I wasn't really worried
Speaker 1: about that because it's not true. Whatever, but at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's like, Okay, what good name
Speaker 1: one good thing about being on Real Housewives of Orange
Speaker 1: County is there for me? There's only one good thing,
Speaker 1: and you know what it is, Eddie. You both know
Speaker 1: what it is. Supporting your wife. That's the only thing
Speaker 1: you part from that. There's nothing good in it for
Speaker 1: you for us, right right. I remember telling this. There
Speaker 1: was this plastic surgeon in Orange County whose wife was
Speaker 1: going to be on the Housewives. She got the job,
Speaker 1: she got it, and he says to me, hey, can
Speaker 1: you go out with drinks for me? With me? And
Speaker 1: I go sure. The plastic surga is just me and him,
Speaker 1: and he says to me. He goes, so should I
Speaker 1: do it? And I go, let me ask you. I go,
Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. Okay, Heather wanted his
Speaker 1: wife to do it. I go, let me ask you
Speaker 1: a question. I go, Is there something in your past that,
Speaker 1: if it came out, would really hurt your career? He
Speaker 1: goes no, and I go, Okay, if there's nothing in
Speaker 1: your past you didn't have, you didn't have. We're accused
Speaker 1: of sexually doing something, of some criminal behavior, of something,
Speaker 1: something something that if it came out would have a
Speaker 1: very negative detrimental effect on your life and your career
Speaker 1: if there's nothing like that in there, and you're sure
Speaker 1: there's no skeleton there, even if it was just a
Speaker 1: bullshit accusation, I said, yes, come on, and the next
Speaker 1: morning his wife said no, and Heather goes, what did
Speaker 1: you say to that guy? And I go that guy
Speaker 1: has something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean we.
Speaker 1: Have a history, we all have a past. And well
Speaker 1: and by the way, even if you don't, let's say
Speaker 1: you were, you could say anything you want about a
Speaker 1: person in a lawsuit, anything, because you can't defame someone
Speaker 1: in a lawsuit because it's called litigation privileges. I can
Speaker 1: say anything, I sue you, Eddie, I can say you
Speaker 1: did anything, and there's no defamation. You'll prove. But once
Speaker 1: it's out there, once TMZ puts it out there, Eddie,
Speaker 1: judge did whatever. Even if it was complete, made up bullshit,
Speaker 1: you know it's out there. And so so now what
Speaker 1: I do is, I'm sure you do the same thing.
Speaker 1: I reluctantly, you know, with great you know, pushback film,
Speaker 1: you know, and and so my rules are of the
Speaker 1: rules used to be no kids, no careers. Remember that
Speaker 1: well that since we were off and they brought in
Speaker 1: the other housewives who said, I'll screw that kids careers
Speaker 1: and we're going after all of you, all of it
Speaker 1: come back. You know who I'm talking. You know what
Speaker 1: I do about right, all right, So that they violated that.
Speaker 1: So now it seems to be a bit better. Now,
Speaker 1: see the new, the new, the old generation of sensibility
Speaker 1: seems to be back. Would you agree a little bit?
Speaker 1: I do a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. When we came back, I felt a lot more
Speaker 2: comfortable engaging and and talking. And you know, there's still
Speaker 2: obviously drama because my wife just knows how to produce it,
Speaker 2: right awesome.
Speaker 1: So now what I do is I go my new rules.
Speaker 1: It's always been no kids careers for me anyway, but
Speaker 1: my new rule is, like, look, there's stuff about one
Speaker 1: of the housewives that's just come out that's you know,
Speaker 1: about family and blah blah. You've seen it. I'm not
Speaker 1: we're not talking about it. Heather would never go there, right,
Speaker 1: never talk about it, never bring it up because that's kids. Okay,
Speaker 1: We're not doing kids, all right. And there's lawsuits that
Speaker 1: are new that we're hearing about. Heather's not going there
Speaker 1: all right, and so because that might affect careers. But
Speaker 1: what I try to do is I basically my new
Speaker 1: rule is you ask me about a housewife you're fighting
Speaker 1: with in a scene, I won't talk about it. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you. I'll say, oh, that's a bomber. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you want and both of you know this. You want
Speaker 1: to lose. Go after a housewife, you will lose. So
Speaker 1: that's my experience. So the good I want to talk
Speaker 1: about the good. Yeah, the good. The good's awesome. The
Speaker 1: good's great because everybody knows who you are. Everybody's nice
Speaker 1: to you. I I'm just gonna be honest. I love
Speaker 1: being famous. Why not?
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 1: You both know what I'm talking about. It's like being
Speaker 1: the cute chick in high school. Right. Everywhere you go,
Speaker 1: everybody's nice to you, everybody wants to and let's face it,
Speaker 1: if you're ever down, okay, go to Vegas and walk
Speaker 1: around the casino about ten o'clock at night when everyone's
Speaker 1: hammered the love you. Oh yeah, you'll thank you.
Speaker 2: Hug.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know. By the way, where do you think
Speaker 1: Heather or I are going tomorrow? Vegas? Vegas? She goes
Speaker 1: You want to go to Vegas for a night. I
Speaker 1: go to be hugged and glck down and beloved, ryry y,
Speaker 1: Yes night when everybody's hammered. Yes, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just want to close with your recent health scare. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just want to get your take on it. Likes
Speaker 2: as a doctor, you seem I know a little bit
Speaker 2: about this story, but you seem a little like resilience
Speaker 2: and didn't want to go to the doctor, and it
Speaker 2: was your wife that forced you and made it happen
Speaker 2: that ultimately saved your life. But growing up as a
Speaker 2: as a guy, you know, I, like I said earlier,
Speaker 2: I don't like going to doctors unless my arm's hanging off,
Speaker 2: you know, and and by a string. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to go see a doctor.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So what what happened to you? How'd you get there?
Speaker 1: So it's interesting. I like going to doctors. I like
Speaker 1: being in a medical environment course because it's my playground.
Speaker 1: When I used to go to doctors as a kid,
Speaker 1: I used to like opening up the drawers and looking
Speaker 1: at this. And I was always the kid who could
Speaker 1: you know, dissect the cat, you know, check out the bud.
Speaker 1: Nothing grossed me out? Who did. I could look at
Speaker 1: who can go what for man? And when it comes
Speaker 1: to my own health, I'm pretty on it. Okay, but
Speaker 1: but when I had So we're at the IVY and
Speaker 1: we're having my IVY meal. If you haven't been in
Speaker 1: your audience, hasn't been the Ivy on Robertson It's special where. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, Heather and I met the Ivy. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So I'm with my son and Heather and long story short,
Speaker 1: about half a drink in only and I start to
Speaker 1: slur my words and it lasted for one minute. And
Speaker 1: I was very excited because I was going to be
Speaker 1: on Watch What Happens Live with Heather.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Two days later, so we're getting on a plane. I'm
Speaker 1: going to you know, I'm gonna promote bunch. I get
Speaker 1: to sit there in the second chair next to Andy.
Speaker 1: You've done it. It's fun. It's hilarious, super fun. And
Speaker 1: you know you get to do all the restaurants and
Speaker 1: the bass. I love New York? Yeah, yeah, I love
Speaker 1: Is that the greatest thing we get to do? Anyway,
Speaker 1: So I all this to look forward to. I got
Speaker 1: a full surgery schedule. Boxes killing it in the race.
Speaker 1: It was just like, I'm good. You know, I'm having fun.
Speaker 1: My life is complete. It doesn't get any better. Even
Speaker 1: at this stage. I'm just enjoying every moment of every minute.
Speaker 1: And then I live. And then it resolves and Heather
Speaker 1: lips out, will you stop it? And she goes called Ione,
Speaker 1: I go, what are you doing? And we're at the ivy.
Speaker 1: And if you're at the ivy, as you both know,
Speaker 1: the TMZ bus, you know they we sit there, and
Speaker 1: we sit at a particular table. It just so happens
Speaker 1: to be the most visible table from the street. I
Speaker 1: wondered a coincidence. Yeah right, TMZ always comes by and
Speaker 1: they stop and Heather goes, don't look, don't look, and
Speaker 1: I go like this dide, I go, you know, and
Speaker 1: so I don't nine one one? Are you kidding? And
Speaker 1: I get pissed. And even though I'm a doctor and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm Board certified General Surgery Plastics d I'm like
Speaker 1: the real thing. I know exactly. I didn't really think
Speaker 1: it was a tia or stoke because it lasted a minute.
Speaker 2: Did you hear yourself slurring?
Speaker 1: Okay, So I felt like it was the ice and
Speaker 1: I was eating there was guac and tortilla chips, and
Speaker 1: there was a gimlet and there was ice in the
Speaker 1: gimmeut and I was like, and it was maybe I
Speaker 1: was just you know, every one, Oh shit, I got
Speaker 1: you know, a little overload. And so I just thought
Speaker 1: I was having trouble manipulating the food. And it was
Speaker 1: alved completely, nothing, no weakness, no except for the speech.
Speaker 1: I didn't have any of the others sociated signs right,
Speaker 1: so she wouldn't stop. She would she was calling nine
Speaker 1: to one one. And I got pissed, and I went
Speaker 1: to the bathroom and I came back and the paramedics
Speaker 1: pulled up. And by the way, I can see the
Speaker 1: other people at the table with the phones. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: we're at the ivy. So we're arguing, and now we're
Speaker 1: arguing on camera, okay. And so I'm so pissed and
Speaker 1: I go and the paramedics walk up and they go,
Speaker 1: I go, all right, all right, I go down to
Speaker 1: the parent I get in the paramedic things. I don't
Speaker 1: want anybody to see me, and I sit down. I go, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: because you know, and I go, I go take my pressure,
Speaker 1: what's my pulse? I go check me out. I go
Speaker 1: totally normal, right, They go yeah. I go I'm fine.
Speaker 1: They go, yeah, but you were slearning your speech. You
Speaker 1: probably should go to Cedars, which is right across the street.
Speaker 1: I go, I'm not going to Cedars, not doing that.
Speaker 1: I get out. Heather's going, let's go to se I go,
Speaker 1: I'm not, and I start to run down the streets.
Speaker 1: What an asshole. And so plus, I'm going to watch
Speaker 1: what Happens Live. I'm not just going to watch what
Speaker 1: Happens Live. I'm on watch what happens. Yes, this is like,
Speaker 1: this is like narcissism. It's like I'm a zoo animal
Speaker 1: who has me in three weeks and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: watch rappens live and get to sit theture.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: And so I go up. So I run down to
Speaker 1: the four Seasons on doheany? And I call Uber and
Speaker 1: I go, I'm Audi here. So I get an uber.
Speaker 1: Heather gets an uber and goes Ounder Life three sixties.
Speaker 1: He's exactly where I am and follows me, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, three of my best friends, most brilliant
Speaker 1: doctors I've ever known from UCLA call me. They go,
Speaker 1: hey man, and I go, what's up? And I go,
Speaker 1: I go to Heather, call you. They go yeah, I go,
Speaker 1: so tell me and I go, well, I was slurry.
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, sounds like a tia. Dude. He goes,
Speaker 1: so you know what you know what that means? Blood
Speaker 1: clot brain, you know, stroke, you know like Clockbusters, you
Speaker 1: know the Magic hour, sounds like, he goes, and they
Speaker 1: and I go, nah, hang up on him. And then
Speaker 1: another buddy of mine, another buddy of mine calls, who's
Speaker 1: the head of general surgery. You silly, all right? And
Speaker 1: he goes, hey, Terry, what's going on? And I go, uh,
Speaker 1: you two? And he goes, what appen? I go, He goes,
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, go in go to Sieves. I go, well,
Speaker 1: I'm now halfway down at Newport Beach. They goes, well,
Speaker 1: the clock's ticking. If it's I go, it's not a stroke, Chris.
Speaker 1: He goes yeah, but you don't know, And I go, nah, no,
Speaker 1: I'll call you later. Hang up on him. And then
Speaker 1: finally a friend of mine who's a cardiologist, brilliant guy,
Speaker 1: calls me. He goes, could be a stroke, you know,
Speaker 1: and he and if you don't do anything about it,
Speaker 1: you know you're going to be you're not going to
Speaker 1: be able to ever operate. Tries to appeal to my
Speaker 1: ability to operate. That's what I learned at Yeah, it
Speaker 1: didn't work, and so he goes, he goes, he goes,
Speaker 1: how about this, He goes, don't do it for you,
Speaker 1: do it for your family. He goes, your wife, your son,
Speaker 1: your other kids. They're never going to sleep tonight. They're
Speaker 1: gonna be worried all night. And if you have a stroke,
Speaker 1: you've ruined them. And I go, okay. Yeah, so that
Speaker 1: he appealed to, and I go okay. So I went
Speaker 1: on the Uber app and I redirected him to Hog Hospital.
Speaker 1: I get into Hog Hospital and they'd let me write in.
Speaker 1: They put me on the stroke protocol and they get
Speaker 1: m RI. Normally you'd have to wait three hours. I
Speaker 1: waited three minutes because I'm on staff, it's my hospital.
Speaker 1: And so the result comes back on the I go
Speaker 1: to the nurse, I go, could you bring the computer over?
Speaker 1: And the er doc wasn't going to wait for him
Speaker 1: to tell me the result. I go and I put
Speaker 1: on my clothes. I go, let's go to dinner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be negative. So I put on my clothes
Speaker 1: and I'm fully dressed, you know, and I I'm about
Speaker 1: to take the IV out and I go over to
Speaker 1: the computer and I go like this, and it says,
Speaker 1: tia small plot. When I go like this, I go, oh,
Speaker 1: so I take off my clothes. Heather goes, what I go?
Speaker 1: I just I think I'm gonna put my gown on.
Speaker 1: And so I put my gown on and the air
Speaker 1: doc goes and he goes, yeah. I go yeah. So
Speaker 1: I they admit me in stroke protocol, which is not
Speaker 1: fun by the way. So they admit me, and the
Speaker 1: neurologist comes at three o'clock in the morning and I go, look,
Speaker 1: I have my carotids scanned all the time. I have
Speaker 1: my eric arch scan. I don't have a FIB. I
Speaker 1: have no reason to have a clot go up to
Speaker 1: my brain and he goes, well, you probably have paroxysmal
Speaker 1: a FIB, which I know. You know everything. There is
Speaker 1: no about a FIB. But there's a phenomenon called paroxysmal
Speaker 1: a FIB that only occurs in your sleep, right, And
Speaker 1: so I go, listen, I am not a sleeper, all right.
Speaker 1: If I had a FIB, it would wake me up
Speaker 1: and I'd never be able to sleep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so he.
Speaker 1: Goes, I go, what about a PFO? What about a
Speaker 1: little hole in my heart? He goes, you're sixty five.
Speaker 1: You don't have a PFO. So the next day, long
Speaker 1: story short, I go in for the PFO test and
Speaker 1: I say to this cardiologist who does that special kind
Speaker 1: of ultrasound through the esophagus study, and I go, your job, dude,
Speaker 1: is find a PFO. So he puts me under and
Speaker 1: I wake up and I look at him and he's
Speaker 1: this big, cool, funny Asian guy. He looks at me
Speaker 1: and he goes, SHO, you got a PFO.
Speaker 2: Would you can fix that?
Speaker 1: As you can fix And then with eleven minute procedure
Speaker 1: they fixed it.
Speaker 2: Nice. Nice. So what did you learn from it? What
Speaker 2: was a big takeaway?
Speaker 1: Oh? You know, and we made a big deal of
Speaker 1: it in the media. We try to teach everybody about it.
Speaker 1: The big takeaway is don't be an asshole. You know,
Speaker 1: early diagnosis is the best and most important thing you
Speaker 1: can do. Right, The best thing you can possibly particularly
Speaker 1: with something like cancer, is early diagnosis. But heart disease
Speaker 1: number one killer of men and women of all age,
Speaker 1: you know, So do your thing. I could talk to
Speaker 1: you for an hour about this, but you know, be smart,
Speaker 1: get checked out, and if you have any signs of
Speaker 1: a stroke, right, weakness, severe headache, dys ar three. You
Speaker 1: know you can't speak, arm numbness, get your ass in
Speaker 1: the hospital because they can. They can bust that cloth
Speaker 1: before it kills parts of your brain.
Speaker 2: Okay, is there a regular health test you can do
Speaker 2: to know your levels, know your cholesterol, know your blood
Speaker 2: pressures and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I think I think everyone should become cardiac health aware
Speaker 1: by the time they're forty. You should know your total cholesterol,
Speaker 1: your LDL, your HDL. You should get on a treadmill
Speaker 1: and be tested and see because stress tests, you know,
Speaker 1: because that's the number one thing we all need to
Speaker 1: worry about forty forty five, fifty to fifty five and
Speaker 1: then after that, you know, and then simultaneously start working
Speaker 1: up for early cancers.
Speaker 2: It's great advice. Man.
Speaker 3: First of all, I got to say it's my favorite interview.
Speaker 2: I know you're not say that.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I just love how direct you are, how transparent, you are.
Speaker 3: So much fun filming this, like, seriously, it was I
Speaker 3: was just having a blast listening to you.
Speaker 1: It was so entertaining. So thank you so much, my player.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Guys were great, guys, were very easy.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, having a drinks with you guys,
Speaker 1: just what I would want. Thank you, I told you yeah, fun,
Speaker 1: super fun, super fun and by the way, so much
Speaker 1: which we're talking about my favorite subject.
Speaker 2: Yes, we are me you.
Speaker 1: Massive that I love it.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much Terry for coming on. It's great
Speaker 2: chatting with you and catch nothing, getting to know you more.
Speaker 2: I know there's a lot more about you that I
Speaker 2: don't know that i'd love to know, and we'll do
Speaker 2: that over dinner and drinks.
Speaker 1: I love to I look forward to seeing you soon
Speaker 1: and i'd love to see you soon. My man Edward
Speaker 1: is as well too. We should hang out all right.
Speaker 1: I'd love to thank you Terry. I'll see you guys.
Speaker 2: Bye bye