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Speaker 1: This is the Eds with Eddie Judge and Edwin Ato

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Speaker 1: Yavi the Husband's know Best Too Tease Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to episode eleven. We have Doctor Debrou with us today.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Debrou is married to The Real Housewives Orange County

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Speaker 2: cast member Heather Dubro. They've been married for twenty five

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Speaker 2: years and have four kids, Max, Nick, Kat and Ace.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, Doctor Debrou. I'm good. It's great to

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Speaker 1: see you guys. Great to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Hey, so, do you like doctor Debreu or can I

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Speaker 2: call you Terry?

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Speaker 1: I prefer you call me like sir, your honor, your majesty,

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Speaker 1: your majesty. Hear Terry. I you know, I introduced myself

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Speaker 1: to my patients is Terry Debrou and I let them pick.

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Speaker 1: But I'd rather you guys call me Terry.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, awesome, awesome. Well, I know that Edwin doesn't

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Speaker 2: know a whole lot about you. We go way back to,

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Speaker 2: you know, when you guys first came on the show,

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Speaker 2: So we have history. So I'm gonna I'm gonna have Terry's.

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Speaker 1: Long longevity in the game.

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Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of how long you've been in

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Speaker 3: the game and.

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Speaker 1: How successful you've been. So it's awesome.

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Speaker 3: Finally we spoke briefly I think in Vegas, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: right to finally, you know, get to know, you know

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Speaker 3: everything about Terry.

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited about this podcast. I appreciate. Other thing

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Speaker 1: lacking is of course the alcohol. But that's okay, that

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Speaker 1: that gets us in trouble, Terry. It's tru early in the.

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Speaker 3: Day, right, You're like, So, I had no idea you

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Speaker 3: were married for twenty five years. I mean we're talking

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Speaker 3: longevity in business, we're talking longevity and obviously the family

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Speaker 3: life as well. And I knew you had children. I

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Speaker 3: don't know you had four. That's a lot of children there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've done. We've had seven wonderful years of marriage together. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: we've been married for twenty five. My wife hates when

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Speaker 1: I make that job. I know hat, so I can

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Speaker 1: only make it when she's not around.

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Speaker 2: Let let's go back, because this is about you, Terry.

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Speaker 2: I want to know about I understand you were born

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Speaker 2: and raised in LA. Tell us what it's like being

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, what part of La? Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: you guys know where that is. I'm Fairbax. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: I used to skateboard, I remember in the dvs all

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Speaker 1: moved us. My brother and I you know, my older

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Speaker 1: brother was the Leitzinger Quiet Riot Kevin debrou Right, Oh,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about that, that's yeah, yeah, And

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the stepfather. You know, I don't really want

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Speaker 1: No, I was not. I was obnoxious smart kid. I

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Speaker 2: I want I want you know, beauty, I want esthetics,

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Speaker 1: You don't necessarily you don't have to be particularly smart

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Speaker 1: was more than a kernel of it. I wasn't home

431
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Speaker 1: that much. And there after I got my own TV show. Well, no, no, no,

432
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Speaker 1: I did a TV show called The Swan. Okay, I

433
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys are aware of that, but

434
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Speaker 1: this was a Housewives right way before. It was in

435
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, right and I think that was

436
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: before the first season of Real Housewives of Orange County.

437
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 1: I think it was two thousand and three. I don't

438
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Speaker 1: know how long. What season is Orange County on seventeen

439
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: eighteen eighteen? Okay, so that would be you know two

440
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, right or twosand seven. So I did

441
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: a TV show called The Swan which was a giant

442
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: makeover reality show on Fox, and it was on after

443
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: American Idol, and like you know that we had like

444
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 1: thirty million viewers. I mean it was like one of

445
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: it was. It was before it was when there was two, four, seven, nine,

446
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 1: eleven and thirteen, right, it was like there was an HBO.

447
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: I don't think no cable. So and I was the

448
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: surgeon on this makeover show, only only a few years

449
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 1: out of my training, and that put me on the

450
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: map immediately. So I got to be able to operate.

451
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: And what plastic surgeons want to do is what what

452
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 1: any surgeon want to do is we want to operate.

453
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: You want to get your skill set because it's a

454
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: it's a skill based profession, right, it's an experience based profession.

455
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: The more I mean, can you imagine Tom Brady with

456
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: his body at twenty five, with his experience and brain,

457
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: now he'd be ten times, the quarterbacks ten times. Well

458
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: that's the way I am now, because we don't we

459
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: don't degrade in plastic surgery. We don't degrade the surgeon.

460
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: But anyway, so very soon out of my training, I

461
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: got this TV show. It was a major hit, and

462
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: I started operating seven days a week, not six, not five,

463
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: but saturdays. And I would start Sunday morning at six

464
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Speaker 1: amte my own practice, just me. I was booked for

465
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 1: years and so and so I remember I came home,

466
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: I met the refrigerator Sunday night, and I look down

467
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 1: and I look at my son. I go, when did

468
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: you get so tall? And the heather listen, he goes,

469
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: she looks at me, she goes, really, so you're going

470
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: to do this their whole childhood. You just gonna operate

471
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: every single day. So I went from like seven to

472
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Speaker 1: six days a week, and then I went to five.

473
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: And then now you know, now, since they're what I

474
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: call sentient humans, right, you can interact with them and

475
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: they're wonderful. I spend a lot of time with them now.

476
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: But so I to your point, I don't think I was.

477
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: I met the classic definition of work life balance. I

478
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: think I'm much better now much better.

479
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 3: Now, what was your back then? What was your favorite

480
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 3: part to operate on? I'm curious.

481
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I've always liked I always like to

482
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: do It's the favorite favorite procedures for a plastic surgeon,

483
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: to be quite honest, are the ones that are fun, elegant,

484
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: and pay and pay the most boobs. So facelifts pay

485
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: the most, rests are the most common, right, And so

486
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: I like to do facelifts and breasts, right because I

487
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: could do five or six or seven breasts in a day.

488
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: But now, well you know my practice obviously in the

489
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: last time, I've been doing botch for ten years. Right, Yeah,

490
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: So you don't come to Terry de Brow for a

491
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: you know, a twenty three year old breast implant, twenty

492
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: three year old with who wants brett you? First of all,

493
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: you can't afford me. And second I and if you've

494
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: come to me, I say, why are you coming to me?

495
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: Go to this guy down the street. He's just as good,

496
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: and he's going to be a third of the price. Right.

497
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: And of course when you say that, they want you

498
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: to do it more, right, right, But so now I

499
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: do primary most of what I do is if you

500
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: had a botch case. You come to me now, okay.

501
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you ever had a botch case where you

502
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: just it's too risky to even attempt to fix it,

503
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: and you're and you have to tell him the bad news, like,

504
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I can't help you. Nobody can help you

505
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 2: that they're so botched.

506
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: Well, that's a good question. So the first deason of Botched,

507
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: we got, like, you know, two thousand applicants and the network,

508
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: because you know how it works, The network finds you

509
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: these people with terrible visual problems, interesting stories because they

510
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: have to have a story, and then they send them

511
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: to you, go can you fix this? And the first

512
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: like ten, we go, no way, no way, no way,

513
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: too risky, I'll make them worse. I'm not. The last

514
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: thing you want to do is botch. By the botch

515
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: doctor is ruin someone on national television. It wo ruins

516
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: the whole show. So I would accept maybe one out

517
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: of three. By the fourth season, you know, you get

518
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: good at what you do all the time, right, whatever

519
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: it is you do a lot of By the fourth

520
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: season it was like I would accept three out of five.

521
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: And the last three seasons you send it over, we

522
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: take it. There's nothing. We will turn down, well, turn

523
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: you down if we feel you have too many red flags,

524
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: like you have very very unrealistic expectations, you're hostile, you're

525
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: ragging too much on your previous surgeon. But I feel like,

526
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: you know, there's pretty much anything I can make better,

527
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: just as long as I'm honest, which I am, And

528
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: I say, look, you understand, I can make you worse.

529
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: I can put you in the hospital. But here's fifteen

530
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: consent forms that said I warned you of this possibility.

531
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: So if you sign here, let's go. Yeah. Yeah, So

532
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: Terry walk us through.

533
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 3: So you're at swan. Was that a success? I assume

534
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 3: it was a successful show. And then how did you

535
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: make the transition a botch? How did that oak all

536
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 3: come about?

537
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: Okay, so I did in two thousand and three, I

538
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: did this one. It was a huge reality show. We

539
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: were on the cover of People magazine, and then they

540
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: picked it up for another season, and then I did

541
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: that and it was hugely successful. And that was in

542
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, and we were about to start

543
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: the third season and we'd almost fully cap cast it.

544
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: It was going to be of course, they were pushing

545
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: the envelope by the way. This is back when reality

546
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: TV was really pushing the envelope and really inappropriate shows

547
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: like Who's Your Dad at Yeah? And you know they

548
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: get they get women up on a stage and take

549
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: a laser point and go, oh you could you know

550
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: if you lost a little way here. Remember that disgusting

551
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: show is really body negativity time in reality TV. And

552
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: then the head of Fox left and the new head

553
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: of Fox came from FX, which was a very cool

554
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: cable show, cable NETWORKX. I'll tell you about what Botch

555
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: was called. Before it was called Botch, it was. It

556
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: was actually called Nip Believe it or not. It was,

557
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: and we loved it, but the advertiser, the advertisers didn't

558
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: like it, so they changed it. But anyway, so right,

559
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: I remember it was ten o'clock at night. He was

560
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: a Tuesday. I was at Arthur Smith Productions, you know,

561
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: the guy does all the top chef shows and everything,

562
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: and they I'm looking at the patients and oh, and

563
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: we're pushing the envelope. The third season. We're going to

564
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,479
Speaker 1: do trip twins and we're gonna do triplets. And there

565
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: was two plasters, me and another guy who I trained

566
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: with the UCLA he was going to do one. I

567
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: was going to do two and see what the difference was.

568
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: It was like such a bad message anyway, So the

569
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: one of the people over, the executives over go you

570
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: can go home now, and I go, what, because, yeah,

571
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: you can go home now, give us a call tomorrow.

572
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: And I walk out of there and go, I think

573
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: the show just got canceled. And the first move this

574
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: guy did, who coming over from FFEX, goes, I'm canceling

575
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: that terrible TV show, The Swan. So we got canceled

576
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: because it was the most if you if you google

577
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: worst reality shows of all time. I did the top two.

578
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: I did The Swan and a show called Bridal Plastic.

579
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: But anyway, so it got canceled. It got canceled, and

580
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: then I went back to my practice and operated like

581
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: a mania for the next four years. And then he

582
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: asked me to do the show called Bridal Plasty that

583
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: went only one season. And this also, body positivity was

584
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: getting even more and more important, and body shaming was

585
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: becoming a colloquial term, as it should, and we were

586
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: taking these engaged women, okay, engaged women, putting him in

587
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: a house. Every week they would compete in a wedding

588
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: related challenge, and if they won the wedding related challenge,

589
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: they got to have Terry Debrou do a plastic surgery

590
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: procedure on the Oh my gosh. And then if you

591
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: won the whole show, Terry Debru would do a head

592
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: to toe makeover on you. But here was the caveat

593
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: your fiance couldn't see you till the day you got married,

594
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: and they lift the veil and now he's seeing you

595
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: for the first time, completely made over. It was like,

596
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: so that's the number two worst reality show. I could

597
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: say why it was. It was a pretty big hit.

598
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: But that was just when Julianna Ransick was colleing Zendia

599
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: the weird things that she got in trouble for. Remember

600
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: I don't remember on Fashion Police and body shaming coming.

601
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: So they just said, okay, never mind, and they canceled

602
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: that show too. Yeah. In fact, they so hated that show.

603
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: They flew me out to the View to have me

604
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: sit there at the table with the View women just

605
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: to rag on me for doing the show. That's what

606
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: they do, and so I know, and they said, do

607
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: you really want to do this? And I said to NBCU,

608
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: I go, do I want to do this? They go, yeah,

609
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: go do it? You're good? You know. I went okay,

610
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: And I remember arriving in New York going up the

611
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: service elevator to do the show, and the pie goes,

612
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: are you really ready for this? Like like they're going

613
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: to kill you? You know. I lines that long story short.

614
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: I get up there, I go to have my makeup

615
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: and I go into the makeup room and they're all

616
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: sitting there. Barbara Walters ope up, whoopee what's her name?

617
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: The comedian, and they go, oh, you know. I go

618
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: and I shmoozed them. He them like, I do you know?

619
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: I you know what was that called on that that

620
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: vampire show where they used to take v what was

621
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: that not be? Anyway? I glammed them, you know anyway,

622
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: and by the time I got there, they liked me

623
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: so much they couldn't go there. Yeah, I saved it

624
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: by the way. I went on Doctor Phil when I

625
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: did the Swan, he brought me on to trash me too,

626
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: and I shmoozed him and he went, well, Terry, maybe

627
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: it's such a good idea of the d ND show.

628
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: I go, You're you're not wrong, Doctor Phil. Yeah, so

629
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: that show got canceled. That show got canceled, and then nothing.

630
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: So I just went to my practice and then to

631
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: lead into how I got botch it, That's what you're

632
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: asking is that when you're we're kind of going there editions,

633
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: we're at home, and the financial crisis hits, the global

634
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: financial crisis, and I'm sure you guys have specific memories

635
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 1: of that time right where if you were in real estate,

636
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: it was over. Whether you win any service industry, it

637
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: was over. And you know, all of our practices, even

638
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: my practice was very slow. And it happened over lap

639
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: a time where I'm building this giant mansion in Pelican Crest,

640
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: Newport Beach, and it's like, this is not the time

641
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: to cut off cash flow here, Okay, I was in

642
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: the last ten percent of the remember that house ye

643
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: in Pelican Chris. That was a beauty, wasn't it? Anyway?

644
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: So I thought, all right, okay, all right, so what

645
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: am I going to do? So I took out an

646
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: iPad like this, and I concepted a reality TV show

647
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: of these high end women in Newport Beach who know

648
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: didn't don't know shit about restaurants, opening up a restaurant

649
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: because they were going to do that. All these high

650
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: like the wife of the CEO of Smith Wesson, this

651
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: beautiful woman, my wife, these five other women whose husbands

652
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: were like billionaires were they said, let's open a restaurant.

653
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: I thought, that's a reality show. So I wrote, I

654
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: looked up how to write a treatment? Right, and I,

655
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: by the way, I did this at three and four

656
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: in the morning, of course, because that's that's where I'm

657
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: most away. How to do a treatment, and so oh,

658
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: how do you do a treatment? So I wrote up

659
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: Pelican Hill Wife Show or now what was it called? Anyway,

660
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: because we knew would be a fail, and I set

661
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: it off to literally eight production companies. Then I just

662
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: what are the top production companies? And there was a

663
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: three ball that did Biggest Loser, there was this, there

664
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: was that, And I said who does the housewives? And

665
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: it said evolution. So I sent off and I said,

666
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 1: Denny's wanted interested in this treatment? Please email me back.

667
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: It was such a good treatment, to be honest with you,

668
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: I mean, the characters were so good. I had their

669
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: pictures and description of all the women that the Immediately

670
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 1: within forty eight hours, everyone said let's take a meeting.

671
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 1: So we were going to do a deal long story

672
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: shirt with some other production company. And then I got

673
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: an email from Evolution, from Alex Baskin of all people,

674
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: who was kind of a junior guy back then, and

675
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: he said, come in for a meeting. So I drove

676
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: my hybrid over. The women flew their helicopter over, and

677
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: I met with Alex basket I go, let me tell

678
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: you about the women you're going to meet. We had

679
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: a meeting and I go, sort, are you interested? He goes,

680
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: I'll call you. So on the way, Homie calls me

681
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: and I said, I know you're interested in doing a deal,

682
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 1: right because I said, but we're already kind of doing

683
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: a deal with a bigger company. He goes, let me

684
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 1: pitch you something rather than you do that show, which

685
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: probably has a small chance of actually getting picked up.

686
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: Why doesn't your wife come on Real Housewives of Orange

687
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: County and you can incubate that show on Real Housewives

688
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: of Orange County. And I go, good, idea start out

689
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: on a hit show, branch off the hit show. So

690
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: I get home and my wife goes, so what did

691
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: that Evolution think? And I go, they think you might.

692
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: They want you to come you to come on Real

693
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: Housewives of Orange County and she goes, no way. That

694
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: is the final nail on the cop into my acting career.

695
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: And back then it wasn't like being on Housewives now.

696
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 1: Being on Housewives now as being like, in my opinion,

697
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: like on an A list show.

698
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's why by the way, run well?

699
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: I mean, who's the third banana on a sitcom on NBC?

700
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 1: No idea, who's the new housewife? Everybody in the world

701
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: knows the new housewife? Right yea? So true. So it's

702
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: a big deal now, but it wasn't back then. It

703
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: was kind of like, you know, the dregs of TV kind.

704
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: I remember that distinctively, because you were so excited to

705
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: be on the show and you were all about the show,

706
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 2: and Heather was like.

707
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this. I don't want to

708
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: be a part of this. Pissed And so I was

709
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: lying to Alec Baskin the whole time, Oh she's doing it.

710
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: Oh she's doing it. So he sends the contract. I

711
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: write head their due bro, I send it in and

712
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: she goes. And then I literally forced her to do it,

713
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: and I mean her first few seasons she hated it

714
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: so much. It's not that anybody really likes it now,

715
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, they're right. But at least

716
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: you understand it now, you know you can get it. Yeah,

717
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: and so, at the exact same time, and I'll shorten this,

718
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: but the exact same time, Paul Nassip was on Real

719
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: Housewives of Beverly Hills, and the first two seeds of

720
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: Real Housewives Beverly Hills were really entertaining. I even watched it. Okay,

721
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: I never watched Orange County because I didn't watch it.

722
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm a guy a housewives show, right, But I watched that.

723
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: He got divorced, he left the show, and he wanted

724
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: that TV juice back. So and he and I weren't

725
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: practice together in Beverly Hills for a short period of time,

726
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: and then we weren't practice. I stayed down in Newport

727
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: Beach and he calls me one day and he goes,

728
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: you do a lot of revisional surgery, don't you? And

729
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: I go yeah. He goes, why don't we do a

730
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: show about fixing bad plastic surgery? And I go, that's

731
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: kind of a shitty idea. He goes, why. I go,

732
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: because if we if other guys haven't been able to

733
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: fix it? What makes us so special? And what do

734
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: we do on the show when we've ruined them? He goes,

735
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: I think we could do it, And it was sort

736
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: of his idea at Alex's idea, and we did a sizzle,

737
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: a three minute sizzle in his office, us just looking

738
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: at before pictures of people who are trashed and me

739
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: making fun of Paul, and it had instant chemistry Easton

740
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: chemistry so much so that E went straight to series Wow,

741
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: and we did no pilot. We did eight episodes, and

742
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: I remember we finished the season. We made it through

743
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: the season successfully and we flew to New York and

744
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: Twitter was very new then, very very new twenty fourteen,

745
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: very new, and we're sitting there at a restaurant. We

746
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: said to the bartender, Hey, could you turn on this

747
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: show on E? He goes why, He goes, well, because

748
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: this is a new show and we're on it. He

749
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: turns it on. I'm sitting there on Twitter like this

750
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: and it's like, love this show, greatest show. I go, WHOA,

751
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: we might have something here because I had one pole.

752
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: I go, I go, the show is probably gonna and

753
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: we got picked up for season two and three right away. Wow,

754
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: after three episodes and then the rest is history. And

755
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: ten years later, you're.

756
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: Right, are you still filming a much?

757
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: So I'm not really. I'm gonna say this in a

758
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: very vague way, okay, because you know how it works

759
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: in this business. There's something new, Okay, that that I'm doing.

760
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: That's that's that in my little world is even bigger

761
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: than watched. Wow. Yeah, that's big. And it's it's it's going,

762
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: it's going on right now. It could be a total disaster,

763
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: but it's it's like Botch times two. Yeah. And it's

764
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: not the Botch doctors. It's me and Bop up up by.

765
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: You know, you know how it works. I can't get

766
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: out until it's a thing. Uh. And it's it's really

767
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: exciting and really scary, and you know, it's maybe a

768
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: February thing, but it's it's it's it's so until we

769
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: don't know what the So what happened with Botch is interesting.

770
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: So NBCUS sold the first season of Botch to Netflix.

771
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: Oh yes, and so it came out on Netflix and

772
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: it was the number two show on Netflix for like

773
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: three weeks in a row. The season one of Botched,

774
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: and when they look at the stats, because my agent

775
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: does that kind of thing. The number one show this

776
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: year on Netflix, that's a re that's a repurposed show

777
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: that a show that was elsewhere is as you know,

778
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: Suits is Suits, right, yeah, Suits. The number one, number

779
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: two is Botched.

780
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: Wow.

781
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: Wow is Botched.

782
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: The typical reality show where you don't get residuals. You

783
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: don't get any.

784
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: Of that nothing.

785
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

786
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: But the difference is the benefit for someone like me

787
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: who does a show like Botch. You know, if it

788
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: feeds your primary business, you're very, very lucky.

789
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Are you at the point where you have surgeons

790
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: working for you?

791
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: I don't do that, Okay, I don't do that. I

792
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: never have a surgeon. I don't let surgeons come in

793
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: my operating room. I don't think. Look, I thought about this,

794
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: and most guys would do this. And what you can

795
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: do is you can run two or three rooms, start

796
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: the surgery here, have a junior guy finish it up.

797
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: Start the surgery here, and literally make three times the money.

798
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: Do that.

799
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: I put in every stitch, I do every procedure, I

800
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: do one at a time. And I think part of

801
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: that is just I think that's the right thing to

802
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 1: do karmically, and the other thing is I'm too para,

803
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: you know, because like the chance that something bad is

804
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: going to happen and somebody's going to try to extort

805
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 1: me for it is relatively high anyway. So the best

806
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: way to minimize any problems is to be a good dude,

807
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: to be an honest dude, and do all the work yourself.

808
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

809
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: Actually, I mean if you would have told me after

810
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 1: ten seasons, ten years of Botch that included Watch by Nature, Botch,

811
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: post up, other shows in the batch umbrella, that we've

812
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: had like two unhappy patients, Yeah, I mean, think about it.

813
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: I would if you would have said to me ten

814
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: years ago, how many people do you think I'll sue

815
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: you within those ten seasons, I'd say, oh, I'll have

816
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: fifteen lawsuits, And I've only had one and it was

817
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: a BS extortion And I told Harvey Levin about I'm

818
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: being extorted, and Harvey put it on TMZ and they

819
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: all just went and they ran away. So it's good

820
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 1: to be close to Harvey Levin, by the way.

821
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 3: It is, by the way, I'm curious. I'm curious. Back then,

822
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 3: real Housewives. Your wife's on it, you're you're un botched.

823
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 3: Who got paid more? You're her as far as the

824
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 3: shows are concerned.

825
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: So she I didn't get botched till she was on

826
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: I think four seasons or yeah, four, So yes, you

827
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: guys know, well maybe you don't, Eddie because she's been

828
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: on it for so long. But as you guys know,

829
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: your first couple of seasons, it's like it doesn't pay

830
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: your hair and makeup right on Orange in Orange County.

831
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: So I think it was pretty close, like my starting

832
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: point to where Heather was a season four and then

833
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: and then she ultimately made more, but you know, and

834
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: now like what is it now? It's pretty close. We

835
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: get paid aby out the same, but you got to

836
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: be you know. But you have to understand, I to

837
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: be a big plastic surgeon with an operate with a

838
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: surgery center and an office that is about two hundred

839
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: thousand a month you need to make just to break

840
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: even even. Yeah, so if you take away a day

841
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: of filming a week, yeah, and three quarters a day

842
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: of filming surgery a week, right, you do the math.

843
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 1: It it takes I make a lot more money operating

844
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: than I do being the botch doctor. Okay, and if

845
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: they let's say they paid me, which they don't. But

846
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: then let's pay say they paid me one hundred thousand

847
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: an episode to do botch, which they don't. You know,

848
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand is not worth a day and a

849
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: half for me. I got to pay this overhead. That's

850
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: two hundred things, you know what I mean. So it's

851
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 1: very expensive to run out. I have, you know, twenty

852
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: two employees. I mean, it's a it's and by the way,

853
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: my employees have all been with me for twenty years,

854
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: so they're hay scale is all here. You know what

855
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: a lot of doctors do and I've never done this

856
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: is Oh somebody starts to make too much, you fire

857
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: them and you get the junior person who makes this.

858
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: And by everybody is at the top of the pay scale.

859
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: In fact, my coordinators and my pa get paid more

860
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: than doctors do.

861
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, Oh the time the right company.

862
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: I love them. They protect me. They keep me out

863
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: of trouble. You know. Although I had a patient the

864
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: other day.

865
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 2: Listen to this.

866
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: So this patient I go in to see her and

867
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 1: she's this rich woman with all these diamonds, and she's

868
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: messed up that's a good combo platter, right, because messed

869
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: up and rich, I mean, where else they gonna go?

870
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: They have to go to the box doctor. And so

871
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: she goes, I want you to fix this. I want

872
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: you to fix this. I want you to fix this.

873
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: I want you to fix this.

874
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: And she was.

875
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: Totally unlikable and totally mean, and it sued three of

876
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: her four doctors. And so I walk out, I hand

877
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: the chart to my surgery coording in the hallway. I go,

878
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: not for a million dollars? And she goes, really, I go, yeah.

879
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: So she takes the lady out and she goes, she

880
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: walks in, she goes and she's in the hallway and

881
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: I go what. She goes, how about two hundred and

882
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars? And I go to forty? I would do.

883
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 1: Everybody's got a price. I'm kidding. I'm sort of kidding.

884
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: I'm sort of kidding. Maybe not, but uh, you know.

885
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: So it's very expensive to be a plastic serge, particularly

886
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: when you're you know, have the same employees forever. So

887
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 1: I've watched is a net negative for sure. But let's

888
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: face it, do I really need any more money? I've

889
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: done pretty well.

890
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, so well, it's a marketing platform for you.

891
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but do I really need it after ten seasons?

892
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: I mean, how much more? I mean, I'm not that famous, right,

893
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: You guys have the same les of fame I do.

894
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: Everyone knows who we are, you know what I mean.

895
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: And we're not getting any more famous by doing ten

896
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: more seasons of whatever we do, right if this is it?

897
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 3: Right?

898
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to get any more famous as

899
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: a plaster I don't need as a marketing and they're

900
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: gonna run Botched. You turn on E right now, you

901
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: turn on Peacock right now? What do you think is running?

902
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: What do you think is running on E? A marathon

903
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: of Botch on E? A marathon of Box is running

904
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: on E? Right? And so it's on Netflix, It's on

905
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: It's on Peacock, it's running right now. I mean, it's

906
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: always on TV. So it doesn't really I don't need anymore.

907
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: You know what I love about it? It's us. Yeah,

908
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: it's fun. Yeah, it's fascinating. It's like the most interesting

909
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: thing I do is Botched by far.

910
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 2: And you've actually helped people. It wasn't just for the show.

911
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: You help people.

912
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: It's the hugs and the tears and the You know,

913
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: it's funny about plastic surgery. If there are certain operations

914
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: that nobody does very much, nobody is good at them.

915
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: But there's operations that nobody does that are very rare.

916
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: That if because you're the botch doctor, you get to

917
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: do them all the time, you get really good at it. Right,

918
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: So I can do this, Like there's a thing called

919
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: a uniboo where there's two there one breast goes over

920
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: to the other side because the doctor dissected too far.

921
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: That in the textbooks is considered not fixable. Nobody tries

922
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: to fix it. I can fix it in twenty minutes

923
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 1: with one hundred percent success. Not because I'm so special,

924
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: because I'm not. It's just because I've done it so

925
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: many times experience. So to apply this skill set, I

926
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 1: don't want to let it go. I just it's so fun.

927
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: But this new thing I'm doing is super weird and

928
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: super fascinating. You guys will see you know what it is.

929
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, before we go any further, I want to

930
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: I was really interested in learning about what it was

931
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:13,439
Speaker 2: like growing up with the rock star.

932
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: How did that happen? So so my brother you know,

933
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: as intense and pressured speech and crazy as I am.

934
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 1: My brother is on another level. Okay, wow, my brother,

935
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: if he were talking to you right now, this is

936
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 1: my my brother. Yeah, well, you know, you know and

937
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: so and quite a brilliant guy who they tested his IQ.

938
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: It was through the roof and they let him know.

939
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: And he was very obnoxious that he just runs in

940
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: the family and so he like at ninth grade, he

941
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: walked in and someone said to him, you have a

942
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: higher IQ than any teacher you're going to have, And

943
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: that was the worst thing you could say to an

944
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 1: asshole like my brother. He was three years older than me,

945
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: and he never had respect for teachers. And he dropped

946
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: out of high school in the eleventh grade. Wow was

947
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: he a band at that time? So all he wanted

948
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: to do. He was so into rock music, you know,

949
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: and really the classic rock music. You know. It started

950
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: out with Mata Hoople and then The Faces and then

951
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: the Small Faces, and then of course Led Zeppelin, you

952
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: know who was you know, Free and then back Bob

953
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: but you know, all these bands from the seventies, right,

954
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: he was obsessed. We had a teeny little room in

955
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: this house. He had two little beds, his drum set,

956
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: his posters on the wall. I was allowed to have

957
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: one little section. He hated me and he was mean

958
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: to me. And he was super tall. Oh man, So

959
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: I grew up with this a hole. Yeah, and it

960
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: was all about He had a real de real thing

961
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: in there and his drum set and he would play.

962
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: He'd start playing drums when I was in bed, oh man,

963
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: and I go, really, go get out. I go, okay,

964
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: so I get out. So he drops out and he

965
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: started a band called Quiet Riot. Yeah, of course, and

966
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: then it was him and Randy Rhodes. I mean, it

967
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: just so happened. One of the most talented guitarists in history,

968
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: arguably top certainly top fifteen best guitarists of all time.

969
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: I don't know about top ten, but certainly is always

970
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 1: listed in the top fifteen. Some people rated him a seven.

971
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: You probably know who Randy Roads is due, not really.

972
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: Randy Rhodes was in Quiet Riot, and then Ozzy Osbourne

973
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: stolen you know that yeah, crazy trained, you know that

974
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: guitar lick that was ready anyway, so they could they

975
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: formed Quiet Riot. They were good, by the way. My

976
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: brother was so intense and so ambitious. He was a

977
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: great drummer, but couldn't sing at all at all. But

978
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: he wanted to be a front man and want to

979
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: be a singer. So what he did is he just

980
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: willed himself to learn how to sing. Now, let's face it, singing,

981
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 1: can you really become a good singer if you don't

982
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: have the fundamental talent you can become by the way

983
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: you're shitty with your hands. You can become a good surgeon.

984
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah you can't.

985
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: It's it's a trainable skill. I don't think rock and roll.

986
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: I don't think so, you know what I mean. I

987
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: don't think so. You can't will yourself to become good looking,

988
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: right And I don't think you give surgery. You can't.

989
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: But I don't think you certainly can't do anything to your.

990
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: Voice like that.

991
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 1: Right. No. No, He, through willpower and just fundamental ambition

992
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: and intense desire willed himself to find a rock and

993
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: roll voice somewhere in there. Wow, And he did. And

994
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: they they would play at the Roxy, they played the

995
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: star Wood, they play at the Whiskey, and they would

996
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: sell it out every night. But they couldn't get a

997
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: record deal, and there would be a lineup all the

998
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 1: way around the block every time they were at the Roxy,

999
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: star Wood and Whiskey, and they couldn't get a record deal.

1000
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: And then I remember one night, I'm sitting there watching

1001
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 1: my brother. I'm up you know the sort of up

1002
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: the you know the seats above where you sit down,

1003
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: and I'm up there and there's Ozzy Osbourne, Robert Palmer,

1004
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: Robert Palmer, Carl Palmer, the drummer for Emerson, Lake and Palmer.

1005
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 1: And I'm going, whoa look at these guys up here.

1006
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: And I see Ozzy Osbourne talking to Carl Palmer, and

1007
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: I had a bad feeling, and he goes Ozzy Osbourne

1008
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: goes down and you see him talking to Randy Rhodes

1009
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: and he stole Randy Rhodes from Choir Riot. And my

1010
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: brother was devastated because it was Randy Rhodes. He had

1011
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 1: the greatest guitars, so Ozzie stole him and my brother

1012
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: was devastated. Got new guitars, but it wasn't it doesn't

1013
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: you know Randy roads anymore, Long story short, Randy ends

1014
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: up dying because they crashed into a bus with the

1015
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: makeup artist on tour. They rented the plane and my

1016
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: brother two years later had a number one album. Wow yeah,

1017
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: and so so quick story about that. I am a

1018
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: second I'm a second year med student at.

1019
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 2: UCLA and my brother number one record.

1020
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: When he got his number one record, he let me

1021
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: live in the guest house in the back over the

1022
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: garage next to the pool in Hancock Parking. Got a

1023
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: big mansion and he let me live there. My only

1024
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: job was to watch his cat, Larry. That's it. So

1025
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: I got to live rent free in Hancock park in

1026
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: a mansion in the back right and go to UCLA

1027
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: med school and take care of his cat.

1028
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 3: I'm curious, did he leave you any of the.

1029
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: Leftover roopies? No? And so he would come home from

1030
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: he would come home for tour with David Lee Roth

1031
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: and Eddie Van Halen and they would play pool. There'd

1032
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: be naked girls all around. This is back when it

1033
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: was I'm sure it's still crazy. This is back when

1034
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: it was really crazy, right where cocaine was not like dangerous,

1035
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: it was just fun. All right, Candy, You know, Candy,

1036
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: this is nineteen eighty two, all right, eighty three. Nobody

1037
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: died from cocaine back then. Yet, so one night he

1038
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: comes home and he's true was touring Germany, and I

1039
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: heard he was going to be here and there. For

1040
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: some reason, something got canceled, so he thought he'd fly home.

1041
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know. And there in the back and I

1042
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: hear all these cars pull up, because you know, they

1043
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: pulled up with all the rock star cars. And it's

1044
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: like three forty eight in the morning, and I hear this.

1045
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: My brother was an asshole, by the way, and he

1046
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: was very coked out, okay all the time, and I'm going,

1047
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: what the hell. I look down and he goes and

1048
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: I go, oh hey, you know, and he goes, where's

1049
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: Larry his cat? And I go, oh shit, where's Larry.

1050
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: My one job, the one thing I was responsible for

1051
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: to live there Red Free, was to take care of

1052
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: his cat. And so I go and I'm looking around

1053
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: in the guesthouse and there's no Larry. Oh shit, I know.

1054
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: And so I come out and I put my scrubs on.

1055
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: I'd be at work in an hour at UCLA anyway,

1056
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: but it was like three forty eight and I couldn't

1057
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: find Larry. He was so pissed by the time I

1058
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: got home the next day. Because I was on call

1059
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: that night. My mom called me. She goes, honey, I

1060
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: go what. She goes, your brother wants you out of there.

1061
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: He kicked me out of the house because I can't

1062
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: that what job? What JOm job? Wow? And so just

1063
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: to one other interesting story, So I'm first year Usilly

1064
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: med student. My brother gets a record contract with CBS. Okay,

1065
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: and he the album comes out and all of a

1066
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: sudden it appears on Billboard charts. When you know that

1067
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: you would buy LPs and it was they to the

1068
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: top one hundred and it was ninety eight with a

1069
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: bullet And I come home and you know it was

1070
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: the answer machines, you play the thing? I honey, it

1071
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: was my mom. She goes, your brother's album is ninety

1072
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: eight with a bullet. I go, whoa, Kevin's on the

1073
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: one hundred Billboard chart. Wow. And the next week, Hi, honey,

1074
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: it's ninety two with a bullet. Okay, how does it?

1075
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: And this continued on thirteen with a bullet. Eight with

1076
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: a bullet, because with a bullet meant you were going

1077
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: to go higher next week okay, because that man's accelerated growth,

1078
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: accelerated sales. And then the next week after that it

1079
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: comes out and number one album in the country was

1080
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:22,919
Speaker 1: Metal Health by Quiet Riot. Number two was Thriller by

1081
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, and number three was All Night Long by

1082
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: Lionel Richard.

1083
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 2: It was like, wow, that was the eighties, right, that

1084
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 2: was eighty two eighty two?

1085
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, I'm sorry eighty four. That was eighty four.

1086
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 2: I remember those songs. Yeah, yeah, And so.

1087
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: You know that that was sort of the evolue. And

1088
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: then when he came home, it was just a different

1089
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: It was a different world. He was much more coked,

1090
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: his cars were much more radical, you know, Ferrari. And

1091
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: then I remember when the album hit number one, he's

1092
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: flying in to play at the Forum, which they call

1093
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: what do they call it now, the Great westerns whatever

1094
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: it's called now? Is it called Staples? I think, yeah,

1095
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: Kia now, But it was called the Great Western Forum.

1096
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: It was called the Forum. It was like the place

1097
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: you wanted to headline. And he invited me there and

1098
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen him for three months because he's been

1099
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: on tour all over the world. And they I go

1100
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: backstage and they go, hey, your brother wants to see you,

1101
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: and he sees me. He goes like this, right, and

1102
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: he takes me out backstage, and you know, the opening

1103
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: act had already closed, and they brought all his equipment

1104
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: out and he opens up the curtain like this and

1105
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: he says, look at that. And I look through and

1106
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: there's seventeen thousand lighters. Wow. Cool, wowes rush, he goes.

1107
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: You want to know what it's like. He was, this

1108
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: is what it's like. Yeah, and then he comes out.

1109
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: You know, it was like out of that. What a rush, right,

1110
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: that's the ultimate rush. But he give me out of

1111
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: the house. So, kim, Hey, you lost his cat. I

1112
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: lost his cat? Yes, oh good, good. By the way,

1113
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: like the cat, you know where the cat was in

1114
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: the main house.

1115
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's funny. He was just.

1116
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: Pissed that I didn't know where the cat was. Cat

1117
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: was in the house. Oh wow.

1118
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 2: So hey, I remember last time we had dinner. You

1119
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 2: said you did not drink an ounce of alcohol until

1120
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 2: you met Heather True. Tell us about that. How do

1121
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 2: you go through med school and not drink alcohol?

1122
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: So in high school I didn't drink. I did smoke weed,

1123
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: okay a little bit when I was when I was

1124
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: in twelfth grade, I discovered weed. But you know, I

1125
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: went to college to be a doctor, right, and so

1126
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: I was so you know, my stepfather was a construction

1127
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: plumber who was out of work all the time. I

1128
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: never had any money growing up, and I felt like,

1129
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: if I don't get into medical school, what the hell

1130
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: am I gonna do? You know? So I was always

1131
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: I was and getting into med school. I'm sure it's

1132
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,439
Speaker 1: even harder now, but it was really, really, really hard

1133
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: back then. And like you sit your chemistry class and

1134
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: they say how many of your pre met? Everybody raise

1135
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: their head, and so they go look to your left,

1136
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: look to your right. Neither of you are getting in.

1137
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: That's he competitive, so plan for something else. So it

1138
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: was like I was so paranoid and I had a

1139
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: bad experience with alcohol when I was twelve. I somebody

1140
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: gave you some whiskey. I threw up for like hours.

1141
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: So I didn't drink in college. Can you believe that

1142
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: I didn't drink in medical school. I really didn't drink

1143
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: till I met Heather. And when I met Heather, Steps

1144
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: in the City was a huge program on TV okay,

1145
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: and it was just when they they're the ones that

1146
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: made Cosmo really popular. And if you don't drink, you

1147
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: can drink a Cosmos, right easy, like surely exactly. So

1148
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: she turned me. She goes, let's have a Cosmo. So

1149
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: I'd have a Cosmo and it's Heather's so elegant and

1150
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: beautiful and awesome. And so I drink Cosmo and go, oh,

1151
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: this is good. She does, and so I would have,

1152
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: you know, one or two and then slowly, when you're

1153
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: married to Heather Debro, you become a drinker, right, And

1154
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: so unfortunately I substituted alcohol for marijuana. I should have

1155
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: stuck with the marijuana. And now I obviously enjoy drinking.

1156
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: I keep it. You know, I don't try not to

1157
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: drink during the week, but uh, you know, Heather and

1158
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: I drink. I mean, you're not married to Heather de

1159
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: Bro and not drink. If you are, you're not hanging

1160
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: out with her.

1161
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand you guys were you met on a

1162
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:11,919
Speaker 2: blind date? Right?

1163
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: So I went to I did general surgery with a

1164
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: really so I was chief resident General Surgery with three

1165
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,919
Speaker 1: other guys with our four chief residents in my year.

1166
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: And one of the guys was an incredibly gifted, intense

1167
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: like black Belding, karate and super genius. This guy was like,

1168
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, you could give him what's three hundred and

1169
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: forty three times eleven hundred and seventy yeight, he'd go

1170
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: and he tell you it. He was one of these three.

1171
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: He was a savant. He was a little Elon muskis

1172
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: little Aspergers, you know, not the greatest personality, not that

1173
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: much empathy. But he was a surgeon, which is not

1174
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: uncommon for a surgeon. And he went off to do

1175
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: liver transplant fellowship and the best program in the country

1176
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: at Philadelphia. And I went off to do plastic surgery UCLA.

1177
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: I graduated, and I was a serial monogamist. Okay, I

1178
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 1: was the kind of guy who by the really quick story,

1179
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: I remember my mother used to say, when you get

1180
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: into med school, girls are going to really like you.

1181
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: I get into med school, Nah, girls didn't like me

1182
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: that much. And then I got into this competitive general

1183
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: surgery program. My mom goes, oh, when you're a surgeon,

1184
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: girls are gonna like you.

1185
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 2: Didn't really, it's.

1186
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: Not really true. And then I get into UCLA's plastic

1187
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: surgery program, you know, and my mom goes, well, you're

1188
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: a plastic surgeon, girls are gonna really like you. Finally

1189
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: it was true. So that's how I scored someone like

1190
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: Heather debrou looking like this right. So I graduate, I

1191
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: open up my practice in Newport Beach. My buddy does

1192
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:11,439
Speaker 1: liver transplant surgery. And I'm like three or four years

1193
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: into my practice and I get a call. Hey, there's

1194
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: a doctor Craig Smith on the phone. I go, Craig

1195
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: Smith from General Surgery. I go, what's happening? I go,

1196
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: what are you doing? He goes, I'm doing Patreo's transplants

1197
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 1: now at UCLA. I go, wow. He goes, Hey, the

1198
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: reason I'm calling? Are you still single? I go, yeah,

1199
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: I just broke up with my girlfriend. I was a

1200
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: serial monogamist. I would go out with girls for three

1201
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: months and then get bored. Take him on a shopping

1202
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: trip because I was a single plastic surgeon. Who you

1203
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: know me? I don't like stuff. I don't drive a

1204
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: fancy car. I don't have any one I dress. You've

1205
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: seen me. No jewelry, I'm simple man. No jewelry. It's

1206
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 1: all black until they make a darker color, you know.

1207
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 1: And so I you know, I don't spend money. I

1208
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: don't care about money. I care about having fun. And

1209
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 1: so he I go, oh. So I would always take

1210
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: the girlfriend I wanted to dump for a shopping trip.

1211
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: They didn't know, but that was the last day and

1212
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: I get rid of them. So I done the shopping

1213
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,679
Speaker 1: excursion with the last girlfriend, who, by the way, ended

1214
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: up killing two kids in on West Lake twenty years

1215
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: later after she got married drunk. You know this case.

1216
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 1: I was her boyfriend twenty years before. Maybe you don't

1217
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: know it, but it's a famous case. Anyway, he goes.

1218
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 3: I'm curious, what was the psychology of getting them all

1219
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 3: these presents before you dumped them?

1220
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: Guilt guilt relief. Yeah. I would go out for three months,

1221
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 1: three in tense months. I'm into you, I'm into you,

1222
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: I'm into you, not into you and so, and it's

1223
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: like they think I'm really into them. I'm faded, I'm

1224
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 1: over it. And I just couldn't bring myself to break

1225
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: up with them without giving them a partying gift, good man.

1226
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 1: So I would take them. I literally would take them

1227
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 1: to Neiman Marcus and say whatever you want. And they

1228
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 1: would always think that, oh, we're going to the next

1229
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: level he's takings and I would drop. And this is

1230
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five. I would drop twenty eight thousand dollars

1231
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: on them.

1232
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 2: Jeez, wow, that's a lot of guilt.

1233
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, think about what twenty eight thousand dollars is when

1234
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight it even.

1235
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 3: I probably saw you were going to marry them, I know,

1236
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 3: And so a new car, it's right, right, And so

1237
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 3: I did it ghost?

1238
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:44,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I done the ghost shopping trip right and

1239
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: with this girl. And I was single for two months,

1240
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: not really dating anyone. He calls me, He goes, hey,

1241
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 1: are you still seeing I go, I am. I just

1242
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 1: broke up with my girlfriend about two months ago. He goes, great,

1243
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: my girlfriend has a best friend. And I go, what

1244
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: does she do? He goes, she's an actress. I go, really,

1245
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: where does she wait tables? And and he goes, no,

1246
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: she's on a TV show. I go she is? And

1247
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, she's on a show called Life with

1248
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: Rogers Sunday nights at eight. Man go look at her?

1249
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: So I go. He goes, He goes, I want to

1250
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: set you up with her. She wants to marry She

1251
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 1: wants to meet a Jewish doctor. And I went okay.

1252
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: So I go home, and you know you could there

1253
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: was no internet then, you know, they didn't have that

1254
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 1: TV there was no AOL, you know what I mean.

1255
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: And so I Sunday Night this, you know, we were

1256
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: going to go out Tuesday or something of the next week.

1257
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: Sunday Night comes on, and you know, I turn on

1258
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: Life with Roger and she's the bartender and she comes out.

1259
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: And my wife back then had very beautiful, perfect breast.

1260
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: This is before you know, she had no she's never

1261
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: had breast implants. She never had any plast surgery, right,

1262
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: she just fill her and botox whatever, and that face

1263
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: and I go, oh, she's never gonna like me. She's

1264
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: an actress on TV. Look at the way she looks.

1265
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 1: She was twenty eight. I'm thirty seven. Never gonna like me.

1266
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: And we they said, what do you want to go out?

1267
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 1: The four of us? And they want to go to

1268
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 1: the grill. I go, now, let's go to the Ivy

1269
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 1: at the shore. So we meet the Ivy at the shore.

1270
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 1: She walks in and I go, oh, yeah, this girl

1271
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 1: forget it. This goes and so this girl's never going

1272
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: to like me. And she was everything I like. She

1273
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 1: had that round face, that beautiful black hair, the perfect breast,

1274
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: this wonderful body. And she's on a TV show. Yeah,

1275
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, yeah, I'm a plastic surgeon. I

1276
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: can pull some girls, but not I'm still this all right,

1277
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm still not pulling you know that? All right? Maybe

1278
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys can I could never pull that,

1279
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 1: all right, even as a plastic surgeon. Right, And so

1280
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:59,680
Speaker 1: we hit it off awesome. Well, and she didn't like

1281
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: me very much because she thought I was cocky. Yeah,

1282
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: and I wasn't cocky. And anyway, we went out and

1283
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 1: after about six weeks that was it. Wow, that was

1284
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:10,759
Speaker 1: the end of it. Yeah.

1285
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 2: Nice.

1286
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 1: So that's how I met her. And you know, here

1287
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 1: we are twenty whatever years later. She thinks I'm a pain.

1288
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 1: She thinks I'm a pain in the ass. Yeah, she

1289
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: loves you, she loves me. I love her. You know,

1290
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 1: she's the world's greatest mother. You know, she's she's and

1291
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: and he's a killer man. What she does works. You know,

1292
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: everything I dump on her is successful. Yeah, she's an

1293
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 1: awesome lady. Whether it's housewives or a lot and I say,

1294
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:44,679
Speaker 1: just build a house. It turns out to be like, wow,

1295
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 1: you you were pretty golden. So for me, you know,

1296
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool.

1297
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 2: Tell us, tell us about your experience on the real

1298
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,839
Speaker 2: housefights of Orange County, the good and the bad. Because

1299
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 2: I mean when we met, I was I think I

1300
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 2: was just on the cusp of of I want nothing

1301
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,520
Speaker 2: to do with this, And yeah, you were all about it,

1302
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 2: and you navigated through it very well until you finally

1303
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,759
Speaker 2: figured it out and said, Okay, I don't want anything

1304
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 2: to do with it. I'm gonna go do my shows.

1305
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 2: And then every time we filmed, and you filmed a

1306
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 2: little bit, we found ourselves behind the camera a lot

1307
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 2: because we didn't want to be a part of the drama.

1308
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: Right, well the hell, you know. Right. So at the beginning,

1309
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know the show because I was a guy

1310
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 1: didn't watch housewives. By the way, do you watch house

1311
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:34,639
Speaker 1: Do you watch the show anymore? I don't watch it either.

1312
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: Only if I have to, I don't. By the way,

1313
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 1: she'll show me a scene, but I don't even want

1314
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: to see a scenes. I'm afraid they'll show me something

1315
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 1: it'll piss me off. So I think I think I

1316
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 1: don't want it. But at first I thought this is hilarious,

1317
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah this is And you know, I had no idea

1318
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 1: how dangerous it could potentially be, how we could spin

1319
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:00,759
Speaker 1: out on you, how I just thought it was funny,

1320
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, And every time I do a scene, I

1321
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 1: think to myself, I'm hilarious until they edit it. Are

1322
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: till they edit it, that's right. And you know, I

1323
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: you know, even in my medical practice, even in the

1324
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 1: midst of a trauma, I find the silliness in everything,

1325
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, the yeah, well, that's just my thing. I'm

1326
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: I'm somewhere arrested in fourth grade. You know. Densy humor

1327
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 1: is like between eleven and twelve years old, right, I

1328
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: know that, yeah, And so I'm still that way. And

1329
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 1: so I thought it was really fun and funny. And

1330
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: Heather didn't want to do the show. She hated doing it.

1331
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: She was incredibly sensitive about it. Didn't want me to

1332
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 1: be joking on it and all that do with make

1333
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:58,799
Speaker 1: me crazier and want to be sillier. And she hated

1334
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 1: me on the show. And then she resonated, as you know,

1335
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 1: she got better at it. And I think the turning

1336
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: point for me was when we were at the final

1337
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 1: dinner for one of the seasons and nothing was happening,

1338
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 1: and I thought, come on, I want another season. Let's

1339
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: get some ratings, and I scream at David Badoor.

1340
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 2: I remember that dinner and.

1341
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 1: I screamed at him, and I really didn't feel what

1342
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 1: I was screaming. I was kind of just acting to

1343
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 1: be honest with you, and to be honest with you,

1344
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 1: I thought he was kind of not the greatest human

1345
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 1: being in the world, and blah blah blah, But I

1346
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: didn't care. I love everybody. I mean, by the way,

1347
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: I saw David Badour two years ago at Javier's and

1348
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 1: I walked by and I look him and I gave

1349
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: him a squeeze and I go, how are you? Is

1350
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: my way of saying. If I was a douche to

1351
01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 1: you ever, I apologize, you know, but I didn't say it.

1352
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: But he knew what I was doing right, And so

1353
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 1: I got so burned in social media for that and

1354
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: so hated for doing that that I thought, oh, this

1355
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: is not fun, because up until that point, he's the funniest,

1356
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: He's the greatest. We love Terry. Here, does I love Terry?

1357
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, go places, Oh my god, yourself funny?

1358
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: It was fun, right, you know, Let's face it, being

1359
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 1: on a reality show and being successful, it's like being

1360
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 1: the high school quarterback. Yeah, everybody likes you. Everybody talks

1361
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: to you wherever you go. It's like hey, Terry, just

1362
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 1: like hey, you know, you're not an atalist celebrity, so

1363
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 1: people aren't acting like they don't see you. Now it's

1364
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 1: maybe a little different because maybe Heather I a little

1365
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 1: more you know, you know what I mean. I don't know,

1366
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. People aren't as but people are still

1367
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 1: very friendly. But whatever. So and then I ran into

1368
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: some negative storylines that were based partly in truth. Like

1369
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 1: I don't remember what the first really negative thing was

1370
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: about me. It was before it was you know, we're

1371
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 1: in two chunks, right, the first chunk and we were

1372
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 1: off and in the second chunk. And then I ran

1373
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 1: into some some shit that people were saying about me

1374
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: that was about maybe me as a doctor, and it

1375
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 1: was like whoa, not cool and not true? All right,

1376
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: and now it's like my patients were coming and they're

1377
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 1: going wow, and I'm going okay, okay. And then right

1378
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 1: about that time, I got botched. Okay, and here I am.

1379
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,719
Speaker 1: I have my own TV show. It is a giant,

1380
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 1: at least in my little world, a giant hit. I'm

1381
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 1: the most famous, let's face it. Right then and arguably now,

1382
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 1: let's be honest, who's the most famous plastic surgeon in

1383
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 1: the world. I mean, because plast surgeons aren't on DV

1384
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,759
Speaker 1: so it's not like there are fifty guys doing TV

1385
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 1: shows and I happen to be the most popular. I'm like,

1386
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 1: sort of it. I mean, Paul NASSIV is wonderful, but

1387
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 1: he's a bore, right right, So so here I am,

1388
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking to myself, why would I ever expose

1389
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:24,679
Speaker 1: myself to anything negative when I have my own hero

1390
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: show that the producers say to you, Terry, why the

1391
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 1: razor's edge, say anything you want, we will never make

1392
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 1: you look bad. And it's like, so I thought, I

1393
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,759
Speaker 1: why would I ever want to film this show again?

1394
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 2: Right?

1395
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: All right? And then and then, as you know, when

1396
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 1: we go back on it the second chunk I go

1397
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 1: back on, I go, you know, here, I am the

1398
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: botch doctor. I'm pretty famous, I'm pretty pretty beloved in

1399
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,640
Speaker 1: the plastic surgery world. I'm kind of a little bit

1400
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 1: of a surgical hero. And we bring on a housewife

1401
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: who sued me to twenty years ago, and it's exploited

1402
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 1: and evolution botches production company fully leans in and I went,

1403
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 1: I can't believe you would make a storyline out of

1404
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: me when I'm on your hit show. Yeah, I mean,

1405
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: my show brings in money.

1406
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 2: For them, and it's a housewives show. Why do they

1407
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 2: make it about us? Why do they make it about you?

1408
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 1: And so it it pissed me off, and I said,

1409
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: I mean when I called them, when they when they

1410
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: exploited that, and they knew it was going on, and

1411
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 1: of course the producers all live. We didn't know. Yeah,

1412
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:36,560
Speaker 1: you don't know, yea. And I said, guess what. I

1413
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 1: quit botched, I quit done. So take your fifteen million

1414
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,640
Speaker 1: a year or whatever you make from the show and

1415
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 1: erase it for your books because I quit. And of

1416
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 1: course I said, you know what, I'm a poor acid

1417
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 1: in my own face. And so I was so mad.

1418
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 1: And so those are the negative experiences. And then you know,

1419
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 1: you ma or whatever that thing that puts out this

1420
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 1: thing that says fancy pads rumor housewife not shooting because

1421
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: she's fighting with her show her husband about cheating, well,

1422
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 1: not cheating, and she was filming. It was just a lie,

1423
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 1: and that exploded cheating rumors. And I wasn't really worried

1424
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 1: about that because it's not true. Whatever, but at the

1425
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's like, Okay, what good name

1426
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,719
Speaker 1: one good thing about being on Real Housewives of Orange

1427
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 1: County is there for me? There's only one good thing,

1428
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 1: and you know what it is, Eddie. You both know

1429
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: what it is. Supporting your wife. That's the only thing

1430
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,640
Speaker 1: you part from that. There's nothing good in it for

1431
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 1: you for us, right right. I remember telling this. There

1432
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 1: was this plastic surgeon in Orange County whose wife was

1433
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,679
Speaker 1: going to be on the Housewives. She got the job,

1434
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 1: she got it, and he says to me, hey, can

1435
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 1: you go out with drinks for me? With me? And

1436
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 1: I go sure. The plastic surga is just me and him,

1437
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 1: and he says to me. He goes, so should I

1438
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 1: do it? And I go, let me ask you. I go,

1439
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. Okay, Heather wanted his

1440
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 1: wife to do it. I go, let me ask you

1441
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 1: a question. I go, Is there something in your past that,

1442
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:25,560
Speaker 1: if it came out, would really hurt your career? He

1443
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 1: goes no, and I go, Okay, if there's nothing in

1444
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 1: your past you didn't have, you didn't have. We're accused

1445
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 1: of sexually doing something, of some criminal behavior, of something,

1446
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 1: something something that if it came out would have a

1447
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 1: very negative detrimental effect on your life and your career

1448
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 1: if there's nothing like that in there, and you're sure

1449
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 1: there's no skeleton there, even if it was just a

1450
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 1: bullshit accusation, I said, yes, come on, and the next

1451
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 1: morning his wife said no, and Heather goes, what did

1452
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 1: you say to that guy? And I go that guy

1453
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 1: has something.

1454
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean we.

1455
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: Have a history, we all have a past. And well

1456
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 1: and by the way, even if you don't, let's say

1457
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 1: you were, you could say anything you want about a

1458
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 1: person in a lawsuit, anything, because you can't defame someone

1459
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 1: in a lawsuit because it's called litigation privileges. I can

1460
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 1: say anything, I sue you, Eddie, I can say you

1461
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: did anything, and there's no defamation. You'll prove. But once

1462
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 1: it's out there, once TMZ puts it out there, Eddie,

1463
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 1: judge did whatever. Even if it was complete, made up bullshit,

1464
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: you know it's out there. And so so now what

1465
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 1: I do is, I'm sure you do the same thing.

1466
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 1: I reluctantly, you know, with great you know, pushback film,

1467
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 1: you know, and and so my rules are of the

1468
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: rules used to be no kids, no careers. Remember that

1469
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: well that since we were off and they brought in

1470
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: the other housewives who said, I'll screw that kids careers

1471
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 1: and we're going after all of you, all of it

1472
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 1: come back. You know who I'm talking. You know what

1473
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: I do about right, all right, So that they violated that.

1474
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 1: So now it seems to be a bit better. Now,

1475
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 1: see the new, the new, the old generation of sensibility

1476
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 1: seems to be back. Would you agree a little bit?

1477
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 1: I do a little bit.

1478
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. When we came back, I felt a lot more

1479
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 2: comfortable engaging and and talking. And you know, there's still

1480
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 2: obviously drama because my wife just knows how to produce it,

1481
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 2: right awesome.

1482
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 1: So now what I do is I go my new rules.

1483
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 1: It's always been no kids careers for me anyway, but

1484
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 1: my new rule is, like, look, there's stuff about one

1485
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 1: of the housewives that's just come out that's you know,

1486
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 1: about family and blah blah. You've seen it. I'm not

1487
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 1: we're not talking about it. Heather would never go there, right,

1488
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 1: never talk about it, never bring it up because that's kids. Okay,

1489
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 1: We're not doing kids, all right. And there's lawsuits that

1490
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 1: are new that we're hearing about. Heather's not going there

1491
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 1: all right, and so because that might affect careers. But

1492
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 1: what I try to do is I basically my new

1493
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:29,719
Speaker 1: rule is you ask me about a housewife you're fighting

1494
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 1: with in a scene, I won't talk about it. I'll

1495
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 1: tell you. I'll say, oh, that's a bomber. Yeah, but

1496
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:39,720
Speaker 1: you want and both of you know this. You want

1497
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: to lose. Go after a housewife, you will lose. So

1498
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 1: that's my experience. So the good I want to talk

1499
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 1: about the good. Yeah, the good. The good's awesome. The

1500
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 1: good's great because everybody knows who you are. Everybody's nice

1501
01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 1: to you. I I'm just gonna be honest. I love

1502
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 1: being famous. Why not?

1503
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 2: I love.

1504
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: You both know what I'm talking about. It's like being

1505
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 1: the cute chick in high school. Right. Everywhere you go,

1506
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 1: everybody's nice to you, everybody wants to and let's face it,

1507
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:24,719
Speaker 1: if you're ever down, okay, go to Vegas and walk

1508
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 1: around the casino about ten o'clock at night when everyone's

1509
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:31,600
Speaker 1: hammered the love you. Oh yeah, you'll thank you.

1510
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 2: Hug.

1511
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know. By the way, where do you think

1512
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 1: Heather or I are going tomorrow? Vegas? Vegas? She goes

1513
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 1: You want to go to Vegas for a night. I

1514
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 1: go to be hugged and glck down and beloved, ryry y,

1515
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:54,280
Speaker 1: Yes night when everybody's hammered. Yes, that's awesome.

1516
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1517
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 2: I just want to close with your recent health scare. Yeah,

1518
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 2: I just want to get your take on it. Likes

1519
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 2: as a doctor, you seem I know a little bit

1520
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 2: about this story, but you seem a little like resilience

1521
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 2: and didn't want to go to the doctor, and it

1522
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 2: was your wife that forced you and made it happen

1523
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 2: that ultimately saved your life. But growing up as a

1524
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:29,799
Speaker 2: as a guy, you know, I, like I said earlier,

1525
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 2: I don't like going to doctors unless my arm's hanging off,

1526
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 2: you know, and and by a string. I'm not going

1527
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 2: to go see a doctor.

1528
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 1: You know.

1529
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 2: So what what happened to you? How'd you get there?

1530
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: So it's interesting. I like going to doctors. I like

1531
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 1: being in a medical environment course because it's my playground.

1532
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 1: When I used to go to doctors as a kid,

1533
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 1: I used to like opening up the drawers and looking

1534
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 1: at this. And I was always the kid who could

1535
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, dissect the cat, you know, check out the bud.

1536
01:27:57,200 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 1: Nothing grossed me out? Who did. I could look at

1537
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 1: who can go what for man? And when it comes

1538
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:08,480
Speaker 1: to my own health, I'm pretty on it. Okay, but

1539
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:13,680
Speaker 1: but when I had So we're at the IVY and

1540
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 1: we're having my IVY meal. If you haven't been in

1541
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 1: your audience, hasn't been the Ivy on Robertson It's special where. Yeah,

1542
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 1: and you know, Heather and I met the Ivy. Anyway,

1543
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: So I'm with my son and Heather and long story short,

1544
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 1: about half a drink in only and I start to

1545
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 1: slur my words and it lasted for one minute. And

1546
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 1: I was very excited because I was going to be

1547
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 1: on Watch What Happens Live with Heather.

1548
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1549
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 1: Two days later, so we're getting on a plane. I'm

1550
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 1: going to you know, I'm gonna promote bunch. I get

1551
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 1: to sit there in the second chair next to Andy.

1552
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 1: You've done it. It's fun. It's hilarious, super fun. And

1553
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 1: you know you get to do all the restaurants and

1554
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 1: the bass. I love New York? Yeah, yeah, I love

1555
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:04,799
Speaker 1: Is that the greatest thing we get to do? Anyway,

1556
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 1: So I all this to look forward to. I got

1557
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 1: a full surgery schedule. Boxes killing it in the race.

1558
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 1: It was just like, I'm good. You know, I'm having fun.

1559
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 1: My life is complete. It doesn't get any better. Even

1560
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 1: at this stage. I'm just enjoying every moment of every minute.

1561
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 1: And then I live. And then it resolves and Heather

1562
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 1: lips out, will you stop it? And she goes called Ione,

1563
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 1: I go, what are you doing? And we're at the ivy.

1564
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 1: And if you're at the ivy, as you both know,

1565
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 1: the TMZ bus, you know they we sit there, and

1566
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:43,759
Speaker 1: we sit at a particular table. It just so happens

1567
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 1: to be the most visible table from the street. I

1568
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: wondered a coincidence. Yeah right, TMZ always comes by and

1569
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 1: they stop and Heather goes, don't look, don't look, and

1570
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 1: I go like this dide, I go, you know, and

1571
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 1: so I don't nine one one? Are you kidding? And

1572
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 1: I get pissed. And even though I'm a doctor and

1573
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 1: I'm I'm Board certified General Surgery Plastics d I'm like

1574
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 1: the real thing. I know exactly. I didn't really think

1575
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,759
Speaker 1: it was a tia or stoke because it lasted a minute.

1576
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 2: Did you hear yourself slurring?

1577
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So I felt like it was the ice and

1578
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:36,640
Speaker 1: I was eating there was guac and tortilla chips, and

1579
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 1: there was a gimlet and there was ice in the

1580
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 1: gimmeut and I was like, and it was maybe I

1581
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 1: was just you know, every one, Oh shit, I got

1582
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 1: you know, a little overload. And so I just thought

1583
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 1: I was having trouble manipulating the food. And it was

1584
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 1: alved completely, nothing, no weakness, no except for the speech.

1585
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 1: I didn't have any of the others sociated signs right,

1586
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 1: so she wouldn't stop. She would she was calling nine

1587
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 1: to one one. And I got pissed, and I went

1588
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 1: to the bathroom and I came back and the paramedics

1589
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 1: pulled up. And by the way, I can see the

1590
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 1: other people at the table with the phones. Yeah, okay,

1591
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:24,639
Speaker 1: we're at the ivy. So we're arguing, and now we're

1592
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:29,600
Speaker 1: arguing on camera, okay. And so I'm so pissed and

1593
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 1: I go and the paramedics walk up and they go,

1594
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: I go, all right, all right, I go down to

1595
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 1: the parent I get in the paramedic things. I don't

1596
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 1: want anybody to see me, and I sit down. I go, hey, guys,

1597
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 1: because you know, and I go, I go take my pressure,

1598
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:45,680
Speaker 1: what's my pulse? I go check me out. I go

1599
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 1: totally normal, right, They go yeah. I go I'm fine.

1600
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:52,600
Speaker 1: They go, yeah, but you were slearning your speech. You

1601
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:55,679
Speaker 1: probably should go to Cedars, which is right across the street.

1602
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 1: I go, I'm not going to Cedars, not doing that.

1603
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 1: I get out. Heather's going, let's go to se I go,

1604
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,879
Speaker 1: I'm not, and I start to run down the streets.

1605
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 1: What an asshole. And so plus, I'm going to watch

1606
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:11,560
Speaker 1: what Happens Live. I'm not just going to watch what

1607
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,840
Speaker 1: Happens Live. I'm on watch what happens. Yes, this is like,

1608
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:20,439
Speaker 1: this is like narcissism. It's like I'm a zoo animal

1609
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 1: who has me in three weeks and you're like, oh,

1610
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:26,600
Speaker 1: watch rappens live and get to sit theture.

1611
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 2: You know.

1612
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:35,560
Speaker 1: And so I go up. So I run down to

1613
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 1: the four Seasons on doheany? And I call Uber and

1614
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 1: I go, I'm Audi here. So I get an uber.

1615
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,879
Speaker 1: Heather gets an uber and goes Ounder Life three sixties.

1616
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 1: He's exactly where I am and follows me, and all

1617
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 1: of a sudden, three of my best friends, most brilliant

1618
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 1: doctors I've ever known from UCLA call me. They go,

1619
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 1: hey man, and I go, what's up? And I go,

1620
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 1: I go to Heather, call you. They go yeah, I go,

1621
01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 1: so tell me and I go, well, I was slurry.

1622
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:02,639
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, sounds like a tia. Dude. He goes,

1623
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:04,759
Speaker 1: so you know what you know what that means? Blood

1624
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 1: clot brain, you know, stroke, you know like Clockbusters, you

1625
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,800
Speaker 1: know the Magic hour, sounds like, he goes, and they

1626
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 1: and I go, nah, hang up on him. And then

1627
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 1: another buddy of mine, another buddy of mine calls, who's

1628
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 1: the head of general surgery. You silly, all right? And

1629
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 1: he goes, hey, Terry, what's going on? And I go, uh,

1630
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 1: you two? And he goes, what appen? I go, He goes,

1631
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:29,880
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, go in go to Sieves. I go, well,

1632
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm now halfway down at Newport Beach. They goes, well,

1633
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:34,840
Speaker 1: the clock's ticking. If it's I go, it's not a stroke, Chris.

1634
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 1: He goes yeah, but you don't know, And I go, nah, no,

1635
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 1: I'll call you later. Hang up on him. And then

1636
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 1: finally a friend of mine who's a cardiologist, brilliant guy,

1637
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 1: calls me. He goes, could be a stroke, you know,

1638
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 1: and he and if you don't do anything about it,

1639
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 1: you know you're going to be you're not going to

1640
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 1: be able to ever operate. Tries to appeal to my

1641
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 1: ability to operate. That's what I learned at Yeah, it

1642
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 1: didn't work, and so he goes, he goes, he goes,

1643
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 1: how about this, He goes, don't do it for you,

1644
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:07,000
Speaker 1: do it for your family. He goes, your wife, your son,

1645
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 1: your other kids. They're never going to sleep tonight. They're

1646
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 1: gonna be worried all night. And if you have a stroke,

1647
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 1: you've ruined them. And I go, okay. Yeah, so that

1648
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 1: he appealed to, and I go okay. So I went

1649
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 1: on the Uber app and I redirected him to Hog Hospital.

1650
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 1: I get into Hog Hospital and they'd let me write in.

1651
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 1: They put me on the stroke protocol and they get

1652
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 1: m RI. Normally you'd have to wait three hours. I

1653
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 1: waited three minutes because I'm on staff, it's my hospital.

1654
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 1: And so the result comes back on the I go

1655
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 1: to the nurse, I go, could you bring the computer over?

1656
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 1: And the er doc wasn't going to wait for him

1657
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 1: to tell me the result. I go and I put

1658
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 1: on my clothes. I go, let's go to dinner. Yeah,

1659
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 1: it's gonna be negative. So I put on my clothes

1660
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:00,519
Speaker 1: and I'm fully dressed, you know, and I I'm about

1661
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 1: to take the IV out and I go over to

1662
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:07,000
Speaker 1: the computer and I go like this, and it says,

1663
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:14,080
Speaker 1: tia small plot. When I go like this, I go, oh,

1664
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 1: so I take off my clothes. Heather goes, what I go?

1665
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 1: I just I think I'm gonna put my gown on.

1666
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 1: And so I put my gown on and the air

1667
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 1: doc goes and he goes, yeah. I go yeah. So

1668
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:28,800
Speaker 1: I they admit me in stroke protocol, which is not

1669
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 1: fun by the way. So they admit me, and the

1670
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:35,639
Speaker 1: neurologist comes at three o'clock in the morning and I go, look,

1671
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 1: I have my carotids scanned all the time. I have

1672
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:42,800
Speaker 1: my eric arch scan. I don't have a FIB. I

1673
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:46,479
Speaker 1: have no reason to have a clot go up to

1674
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:49,760
Speaker 1: my brain and he goes, well, you probably have paroxysmal

1675
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:51,760
Speaker 1: a FIB, which I know. You know everything. There is

1676
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 1: no about a FIB. But there's a phenomenon called paroxysmal

1677
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:59,280
Speaker 1: a FIB that only occurs in your sleep, right, And

1678
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 1: so I go, listen, I am not a sleeper, all right.

1679
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 1: If I had a FIB, it would wake me up

1680
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 1: and I'd never be able to sleep.

1681
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so he.

1682
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,720
Speaker 1: Goes, I go, what about a PFO? What about a

1683
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:14,479
Speaker 1: little hole in my heart? He goes, you're sixty five.

1684
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 1: You don't have a PFO. So the next day, long

1685
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:19,760
Speaker 1: story short, I go in for the PFO test and

1686
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:22,680
Speaker 1: I say to this cardiologist who does that special kind

1687
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 1: of ultrasound through the esophagus study, and I go, your job, dude,

1688
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:31,760
Speaker 1: is find a PFO. So he puts me under and

1689
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 1: I wake up and I look at him and he's

1690
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 1: this big, cool, funny Asian guy. He looks at me

1691
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 1: and he goes, SHO, you got a PFO.

1692
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 2: Would you can fix that?

1693
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:47,839
Speaker 1: As you can fix And then with eleven minute procedure

1694
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 1: they fixed it.

1695
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:53,200
Speaker 2: Nice. Nice. So what did you learn from it? What

1696
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:54,280
Speaker 2: was a big takeaway?

1697
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:56,560
Speaker 1: Oh? You know, and we made a big deal of

1698
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:58,960
Speaker 1: it in the media. We try to teach everybody about it.

1699
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 1: The big takeaway is don't be an asshole. You know,

1700
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 1: early diagnosis is the best and most important thing you

1701
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:09,080
Speaker 1: can do. Right, The best thing you can possibly particularly

1702
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:13,120
Speaker 1: with something like cancer, is early diagnosis. But heart disease

1703
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:16,240
Speaker 1: number one killer of men and women of all age,

1704
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, So do your thing. I could talk to

1705
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:22,200
Speaker 1: you for an hour about this, but you know, be smart,

1706
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 1: get checked out, and if you have any signs of

1707
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 1: a stroke, right, weakness, severe headache, dys ar three. You

1708
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 1: know you can't speak, arm numbness, get your ass in

1709
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 1: the hospital because they can. They can bust that cloth

1710
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 1: before it kills parts of your brain.

1711
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 2: Okay, is there a regular health test you can do

1712
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:49,519
Speaker 2: to know your levels, know your cholesterol, know your blood

1713
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:50,640
Speaker 2: pressures and stuff like that.

1714
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:54,639
Speaker 1: I think I think everyone should become cardiac health aware

1715
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 1: by the time they're forty. You should know your total cholesterol,

1716
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 1: your LDL, your HDL. You should get on a treadmill

1717
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:07,600
Speaker 1: and be tested and see because stress tests, you know,

1718
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:09,519
Speaker 1: because that's the number one thing we all need to

1719
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 1: worry about forty forty five, fifty to fifty five and

1720
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 1: then after that, you know, and then simultaneously start working

1721
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:17,400
Speaker 1: up for early cancers.

1722
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:19,360
Speaker 2: It's great advice. Man.

1723
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 3: First of all, I got to say it's my favorite interview.

1724
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:23,479
Speaker 2: I know you're not say that.

1725
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:24,920
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1726
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:27,400
Speaker 3: I just love how direct you are, how transparent, you are.

1727
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:30,479
Speaker 3: So much fun filming this, like, seriously, it was I

1728
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 3: was just having a blast listening to you.

1729
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 1: It was so entertaining. So thank you so much, my player.

1730
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:38,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Guys were great, guys, were very easy.

1731
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:41,160
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, having a drinks with you guys,

1732
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:44,599
Speaker 1: just what I would want. Thank you, I told you yeah, fun,

1733
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:47,080
Speaker 1: super fun, super fun and by the way, so much

1734
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 1: which we're talking about my favorite subject.

1735
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:51,559
Speaker 2: Yes, we are me you.

1736
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 1: Massive that I love it.

1737
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:58,800
Speaker 2: Thank you so much Terry for coming on. It's great

1738
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 2: chatting with you and catch nothing, getting to know you more.

1739
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 2: I know there's a lot more about you that I

1740
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 2: don't know that i'd love to know, and we'll do

1741
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:07,599
Speaker 2: that over dinner and drinks.

1742
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 1: I love to I look forward to seeing you soon

1743
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 1: and i'd love to see you soon. My man Edward

1744
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:14,320
Speaker 1: is as well too. We should hang out all right.

1745
01:39:14,479 --> 01:39:16,920
Speaker 1: I'd love to thank you Terry. I'll see you guys.

1746
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 2: Bye bye