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Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday. We have

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Speaker 1: an amazing show for everybody today. What do we have, Christal? Indeed,

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Speaker 1: we do lots of interesting stories that are breaking this morning.

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Speaker 1: So there is an FAA emergency meeting planned to deal

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Speaker 1: with all of these near miss incidents. We have a

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Speaker 1: how close some of these planes have come to absolute disaster.

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Speaker 1: Will tell you about that. Also, Department of Transportation and

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Speaker 1: This is good news, so we'll dig into all of

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Speaker 1: that as well. We also have some interesting developments in

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Speaker 1: terms of potential Trump indictments. DJ may have just shown

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Speaker 1: with this emergency FAA meeting. Let's go and put this

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Speaker 1: you had the FBI agents on one side saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: let's try to get cooperation. This is too provocative. At

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Speaker 1: one point, actually this I think is kind of foolish,

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Speaker 1: But after they got that signed letter from Christina Bob

437
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Speaker 1: that was like, oh yeah, we turned off everything. They

438
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Speaker 1: actually just wanted to like close the case and walk away.

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Speaker 1: So they were very uncomfortable and hesitant about going forward

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Speaker 1: with this rate. But the prosecutors that prosecutors that were

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Speaker 1: involved argued that evidence suggested Trump was knowingly, they say,

442
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Speaker 1: concealing secret documents at his Palm Beach, Florida from home.

443
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Speaker 1: They urged the FBI to conduct that surprise rate at

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Speaker 1: the property. To senior FBI officials who would be in

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Speaker 1: charge of leading the search, resisted the plan as too

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Speaker 1: combative and proposed instead to seek Trump's permission to search

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Speaker 1: his property. According to four people who spoke on the

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Speaker 1: condition of anonymity to describe a sensitive investigation, I'll give

449
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Speaker 1: you a little bit of the color here because I

450
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Speaker 1: think it's interesting to see how heated this was behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes. You know, they were kind of going back

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Speaker 1: and forth. There was clearly a push and pull. Executters

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Speaker 1: consistently on the side of being more aggressive, the FBI

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Speaker 1: agents consistently on the side of like, let's not let's

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Speaker 1: get cooperation. Like I said before, at one point even

456
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Speaker 1: like let's just shut this thing down and walk away.

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Speaker 1: So things kind of came to a head at this

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Speaker 1: key final meeting, and according to the Washington Post report here,

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Speaker 1: they say tempers ran high in the meeting. Bratt, who's

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Speaker 1: on side of the prosecutors, raised his voice at times

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Speaker 1: and stressed the FBI agents at the time for trusting

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Speaker 1: Trump and his lawyer. Was over. He reminded them of

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Speaker 1: the new footage suggesting Trump or his aides could be

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Speaker 1: concealing classified records at the Florida Club. The folks on

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Speaker 1: the FBI side complained how bad it would look for

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Speaker 1: agents with FBI and blazon on their jackets to invade

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Speaker 1: a former president's home. The FBI's top counter intel official,

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Speaker 1: Alan Kohler Junior, then asked the senior FBI agents to

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Speaker 1: consider how bad it would look at the FBI chose

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Speaker 1: not to act. In government secrets were hidden at mar Lago.

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Speaker 1: FBI agents on the case worried the prosecutors were being

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Speaker 1: overly aggressive. They found it worried too that Bratt did

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Speaker 1: not seem to think it mattered whether Trump was the

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Speaker 1: official subject of the probe. They feared any of these

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Speaker 1: features might not stand up to scrutiny if an inspector

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Speaker 1: general a congressional committee chose to ret trace the investigator

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Speaker 1: steps according to the people. So, Soccer, what did you

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Speaker 1: make of this report and this sort of behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes clash. Well, there's a lot of talk about FBI,

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Speaker 1: but actually really stuck out to me is that the

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Speaker 1: bide for all the talk merk Garland and all of

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Speaker 1: that being very cautious, it seems to me that this

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Speaker 1: was a political decision at the end of the day

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Speaker 1: that came from the highest levels of the DOJ. Where

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Speaker 1: they're like, no, we're going to raid the we are

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Speaker 1: going to raid mar Lago with basically the full intent,

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Speaker 1: like the full purpose and the knowledge of what the

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Speaker 1: fallout of such an investigation might be. Now. I think

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Speaker 1: obviously at the time Crystal, they weren't aware that President

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Speaker 1: Biden also had classified documents in his garage, and they're

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Speaker 1: not quite sure what exactly the Pandora's box they were

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Speaker 1: going to open with all of these former officials. So

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Speaker 1: it might kind of take away was this was a

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Speaker 1: political decision at the top. I read it a little

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Speaker 1: bit differently in that clearly both sides were very concerned,

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Speaker 1: like the FBI side and the pressure side, very concerned

497
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Speaker 1: about the careers, about their own assets, about their reputation,

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Speaker 1: about how this would look about becoming a target, and

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Speaker 1: the prosecutor's way of feeling like, Okay, this is how

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Speaker 1: we're going to protect ourselves. Their view was like, well,

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Speaker 1: we can't be caught like treating this guy differently than

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Speaker 1: we have treated all these other people when they have

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Speaker 1: held on to and obscured classified documents. So they thought

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Speaker 1: that was the way of sort of covering their own ass.

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Speaker 1: The FBI agents, who of course are like the public

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Speaker 1: face of actually going in and doing the raid. Well,

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Speaker 1: they took a different lesson from history. You know, they

508
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Speaker 1: saw like what went down with Hillary Clinton and all

509
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Speaker 1: of these different things, and they felt like it would

510
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Speaker 1: be lower risk for us to not do this big

511
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Speaker 1: public raid and would probably be smoother sailing. So that's

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Speaker 1: kind of how I read the piece is both of

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Speaker 1: these sides had different interests, in different calculations about what

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Speaker 1: would be the least risky paths for them personally and professionally.

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Speaker 1: That kind of led them into these different camps. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's certainly possible. And when you combine it

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Speaker 1: with the the what we're learning about how the DOJ

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Speaker 1: is looking at the potential indictment of Trump, I think

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Speaker 1: it does fit together, like with the overall architecture of

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Speaker 1: what they're looking at. Yeah, okay, So let's talk about

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Speaker 1: this next piece. This has to do not with the documents,

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Speaker 1: but with potential incitement on January sixth, and also with

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Speaker 1: fake elector schemes. This is reporting from the Daily Beasts

524
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Speaker 1: based on a recent DOJ court filing. So their headline

525
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Speaker 1: here is how a new DOJ memo sets up two

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Speaker 1: potential Trump indictments. The subhad here is what seemed like

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Speaker 1: a narrow decision could have far reaching implications. All right,

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Speaker 1: this is a little bit complex, but I think you'll

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Speaker 1: be able to understand it. They say that at the

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Speaker 1: behest of the DC Federal Appellate Court. The DOJ last

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Speaker 1: week submitted a legal memo weighing in on a civil

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Speaker 1: dispute by injured police officers. In that memo, they clarified

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Speaker 1: that Trump's speech was not protected by presidential immunity, nor

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Speaker 1: was it protected by his own free speech rights under

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Speaker 1: the First Amendment. Here's a little quote from the memo.

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Speaker 1: They say, such incitement of imminent private violence would not

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Speaker 1: be within the outer perimeter of the office the president

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Speaker 1: of the United States. They went out of their way

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Speaker 1: to say it does not necessarily support the officer's lawsuits

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Speaker 1: against Trump, noting that they expressed no view on that conclusion,

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Speaker 1: but they made it clear that Trump's speech was outside

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Speaker 1: the norms of his office. It stripped the president of

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Speaker 1: virtually any defense he could make. Is the way that

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Speaker 1: the Daily Beast characterizes it. They have a couple quotes

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Speaker 1: from expert legal analyst type of people. One of them said,

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Speaker 1: if they're saying it's outside the scope of community of

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Speaker 1: civil suits and outside the scope protected speech. There really

548
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Speaker 1: isn't anything else out there protecting Trump. The two indictments

549
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Speaker 1: Trump could face or for his incitement of the Jerry

550
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Speaker 1: six ryot a federal crime, and his attempt to overturn

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Speaker 1: the election results in Georgia a state case there. I

552
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Speaker 1: think most people have felt that the fake elector scheme

553
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Speaker 1: stuff is a more clear cut case to make because

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Speaker 1: of the free speech concerns and because he really gave

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Speaker 1: himself kind of some wiggle room in terms of what

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Speaker 1: he said on January sixth. So all the analysis I've

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Speaker 1: seen is that that is a more difficult case to make.

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Speaker 1: But the DOJ laying out here that they do not

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Speaker 1: feel that his speech was protected First Amendment speech, nor

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Speaker 1: was it within the bounds of the office of the president. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: good luck trying to prove that one. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't see how you could possibly argue that, especially

563
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Speaker 1: in terms of how high the bar is around incitement,

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Speaker 1: if you give yourself even the slight out of which

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Speaker 1: you know, you could argue that he did. I'm not

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Speaker 1: defending his actions. I'm talking about legal culp bit for

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Speaker 1: the actions. I think that would be a difficult one

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Speaker 1: that would actually stand up to First Amendment case law.

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Speaker 1: As you said, the fake elector scheme is by far

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Speaker 1: the one where you have a much better case on

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Speaker 1: defrauding the government or a conspiracy to object obstruct a

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Speaker 1: government procedure, because he literally held meetings in the Oval

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Speaker 1: office with people who wanted to do exactly that and

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Speaker 1: entertained many of those schemes. So anyway, I think that's

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Speaker 1: probably where he probably if he faces any legal jeopardy

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Speaker 1: at all, that is the one where I think it's

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Speaker 1: probably more likely. Yeah, And that's what they say here too,

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Speaker 1: is that the most likely potential charge is conspiracy to

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Speaker 1: fraud the United States over these big elector schemes. And

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Speaker 1: they also say that this memo could provide some direction

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Speaker 1: to the Georgia investigation that is going on. We know

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Speaker 1: because we've covered the like Pouki as we described her

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Speaker 1: as you're a poor woman making all kinds of weird

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Speaker 1: comments and looking for her fifteen minutes of fame and

585
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: you know, making the whole situation very uncomfortable for them

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Speaker 1: down there. But ultimately it's going to be in the

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Speaker 1: hands of the DA there to decide what she's going

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Speaker 1: to do and what indictments she's going to bring if

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Speaker 1: Trump is involved. So another analysis here is that potentially

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Speaker 1: this memo helps to justify whatever she wants to do

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Speaker 1: with regards to that. Okay, so that's all we know

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Speaker 1: about that. At the same time, apparently folks over in

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Speaker 1: liberal media are very excited about the possibility of Trump

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Speaker 1: being the Republican nominee because apparently they have learned literally

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Speaker 1: nothing over these past eight or so years. Let's take

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Speaker 1: a listen to how this went. I am so excited

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Speaker 1: that Democrats are once again going to be given the

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Speaker 1: gift of Donald Trump being the Republican nominee for President

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Speaker 1: of the United States. I know that the White House

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Speaker 1: is elated. This is a dream for any Democrat running

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Speaker 1: to flip a House seat or a Democrat running to

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Speaker 1: keep a competitive senency. I see nothing that would suggest

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Speaker 1: that Republicans have learned their lesson. I see a bunch

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Speaker 1: of people planning to enter this race and to give

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump the minimum of thirty to forty percent that

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Speaker 1: he will need to prevail in a crowded field once

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Speaker 1: again like he didn't. And I would agree. I mean,

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Speaker 1: watching the SAPAC conference, it was like watching some of

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Speaker 1: the outtakes from the Cantena scene in Star Wars. And

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Speaker 1: it would be funny if it weren't so terrifying at times.

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Speaker 1: But if you believe it as I believe that whether

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Speaker 1: the nominee is Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis or even

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Speaker 1: Nicky Hayley, that that would pose an existential threat to

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Speaker 1: democracy itself, which is what we've seen with the opposition

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Speaker 1: of voting riots and the election denihalism and so many

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Speaker 1: other things. Then you're happy that Donald Trump will be

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Speaker 1: the easiest person to defeat on that side. Good luck.

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Speaker 1: He says that those mondere Jones for those who are

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Speaker 1: just listening, And then the female voice there was Liz Smith,

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Speaker 1: Pete Bug's former campaign manager, and you know, he says,

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Speaker 1: Monday are there at the beginning Republicans have learned nothing.

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Speaker 1: It's like, maybe maybe you are, but you have learned.

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Speaker 1: I mean the amount that people continue to underestimate this man.

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Speaker 1: He barely lost last time. If he hadn't nuked balloting

625
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Speaker 1: for Republicans, he very likely would have won. If he

626
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Speaker 1: had pushed out one more round of checks in the

627
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Speaker 1: final weeks before the election, he likely would have won.

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Speaker 1: So the arrogance to think that, oh, Joe Biden, who

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Speaker 1: will be pushing eighty six, whose approval rating is in toilet,

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Speaker 1: that he's a shoe in if Donald Trump is the nominee,

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Speaker 1: I just I just will never understand. I don't get Look,

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Speaker 1: Trump is not ten feet tall. Nobody's ever said that

633
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Speaker 1: he is. No, he's also not two feet tall, and

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Speaker 1: you people need to learn like he is a contender

635
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Speaker 1: pound for pound with Joe Biden. He barely lost by

636
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Speaker 1: forty thousand votes across four different states in the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty election. As you said, if he literally all he

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Speaker 1: does is mail in ballots, he's going to win Arizona,

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Speaker 1: He's going to win Georgia. There's no question he would

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Speaker 1: have been president of the United States. So how can

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Speaker 1: you possibly be so arrogant? Also, one of the takeaways

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Speaker 1: that I would have from the GOP primary of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two is guess what, guys, Yeah, they may have

644
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: lost in the general, but his power over the Republican

645
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: base to make stop the steal the letmus tests it worked.

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Speaker 1: The vast majority of people who were anti stop the

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Speaker 1: Steel who had a Trump endorsed candidate against them, they

648
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Speaker 1: lost their primary race. So he not only has control

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Speaker 1: over the party, but he remains one of the most

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Speaker 1: popular political figures in the United States. Now, look that

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Speaker 1: is that is one of those low bars, because Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden also has like a thirty percent popularity. But as

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Speaker 1: we learn, just because people don't necessarily like you doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean that they won't vote for you should the time come. Well,

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00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: Trump and Biden have similar approval ratings, but the Trump

656
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: fans are all in right, and everybody has always felt

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00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: like about Joe Biden, and that has always been the difference.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I think it would be uh. I

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Speaker 1: think I'm not saying Joe Biden would definitely lose. I

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Speaker 1: don't think you could, you know, I don't think you

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Speaker 1: could argue that. Trump does have a way of, you know,

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00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: being inflammatory and reminding people just why they kicked him

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Speaker 1: out of office last time. But you also have to say,

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Speaker 1: you know, his recent speeches, commentary, issue focuses have been

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Speaker 1: a lot more intelligent than when he was just twenty

666
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: four to seven mouthing off about insane election conspiracies. So

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Speaker 1: he has recaptured some of that old political feel and

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Speaker 1: sensibility that brought him into the White House in the

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Speaker 1: first place. In twenty sixteen, I went and took a

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Speaker 1: look at the most recent polling in Trump versus Biden. Now,

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Speaker 1: of course, I think we all know at this point

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Speaker 1: to take all the polls with a million grains of salt.

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00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,479
Speaker 1: They can be wrung in either direction at this point,

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Speaker 1: so who knows. However, in Virginia, which Biden won by

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Speaker 1: I think nine points last time around, latest poll has

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Speaker 1: him up by one on Trump. That's within the margin

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Speaker 1: of error, and by the way, him losing to DeSantis

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Speaker 1: and getting his ass kicked by Glenn Youngkin, who's the

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Speaker 1: current governor of Virginia who may run for president as

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Speaker 1: well in a national head to head. This was from Emerson.

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Speaker 1: The latest poll has Trump forty six and Biden forty two.

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Speaker 1: Does that sound like a shoe in for Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: to you? Does that sound like you should be like

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Speaker 1: praying and ecstatic that Trump may be the nominee because

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Speaker 1: Republicans can't get their act together ever to defeat him. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that you should be excited about that

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Speaker 1: or gloating over that whatsoever. And it just I cannot

688
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: believe that these people never ever ever learn a single thing.

689
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: They never will, and they continue to underestimate him to

690
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: their own peril. It's like the classic Jonathan Chait articles

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Speaker 1: and others where they're like, we want Marco Rubio to

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Speaker 1: go down so we can face Trump or Hillary who

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Speaker 1: actively wanted to face Trump? Well, you know you can.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those like how many times does he

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Speaker 1: need to fool you to take him seriously? I still

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00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: don't think twenty twenty was ever grappled with enough at

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Speaker 1: the fact that they did nearly almost lose. And don't

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Speaker 1: forget about the House of Representatives either, I mean they

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00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: were supposed to blow out the House, right. She only

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Speaker 1: won by what she had a three vote marchin forty three. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she had a March three. It's as pathetic. Their showing

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty was as pathetic as the Republican showing

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. How short are our political memories here?

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Speaker 1: I'm just dimishing. It is astonishing. It is all right,

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the next one here from the Department

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Speaker 1: of Homeland Security with a new intelligence gathering program that

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Speaker 1: quote nobody knew anything about let's put this up there

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Speaker 1: on the screen from Politico, be Betsy Woodroff getting the

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Speaker 1: scoop quote. A new program called the Overt Human Intelligence

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Speaker 1: Collection Program, described in a large tranch of internal documents,

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Speaker 1: has revealed widespread internal concerns about legally questionable tactics and

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Speaker 1: political pressure. The documents show that people working there fear

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Speaker 1: punishment if they speak out about mismanagement and abuses. One

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Speaker 1: unnamed employee in April twenty twenty one said that the

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Speaker 1: leadership of this office is quote shady and runs like

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Speaker 1: a corrupt government. Another said employees were so worried about

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Speaker 1: the legality of their activities they wanted their employer to

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Speaker 1: cover legal liability insurance for exactly what they were doing.

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Speaker 1: All of this comes down to the fact that you

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Speaker 1: have this new program where they were trying to exploit

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Speaker 1: a loophole, and the loophole, as they explain, it is

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Speaker 1: that officials work with state, local and private sector partners,

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Speaker 1: collect intel and analyze the intel. Now exactly what they're doing, though,

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Speaker 1: is that they were able to speak with prisoners who

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Speaker 1: are already inside of the system crystal without notifying their

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Speaker 1: lawyers and potentially violating civil liberty. So one of the

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Speaker 1: things is that the Title fifty that governs the way

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Speaker 1: that the intelligence agencies are supposed to supposed to conduct

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Speaker 1: themselves restrict the collection, maintenance, and dissemination of US person's

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Speaker 1: information and place additional emphasis on preserving the privacy and

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Speaker 1: civil liberties of US persons. Now, one of the things

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Speaker 1: that they fear is both the retaliation from all of this,

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Speaker 1: but also quote the politicization, because they were worried that

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Speaker 1: the use of this new program could be used to

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Speaker 1: target people who have sensitive intelligence that is available to

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Speaker 1: the US government by directly violating their civil liberties and

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Speaker 1: using it in connections from both the January sixth investigation

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Speaker 1: but also the George Floyd investigation. So I think that

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Speaker 1: this is a perfect example of how when the Trump

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Speaker 1: administration is in power, they are violating potentially liable I'll say,

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Speaker 1: allegedly violating the civil liberties and printons without notifying lawyers

742
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Speaker 1: and squeezing them with this new intelligence program around the

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Speaker 1: George Floyd investigation, and then the Biden administration is using

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Speaker 1: it against on January sixth. This is a perfect example

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Speaker 1: of the bloating of government and the violation of civil

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Speaker 1: liberties within the Department of Homeland. Yes, in the way

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Speaker 1: that every administration can use the existing powers that actually exist,

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Speaker 1: and also powers that they claim and are probably actually

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00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: illegal and unconstitutional, but that they keep secret in order

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Speaker 1: to pursue their own aims. And why it's really important

751
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: that these issues be discussed in a nonpartisan way because

752
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: it goes so much deeper than whether it happens to

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Speaker 1: be a d or an R who holds the office

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Speaker 1: of the Presidency. So there's a few things here, I mean,

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Speaker 1: first of all, the fact that they're using this what

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Speaker 1: you described accurately as what they see as a loophole

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Speaker 1: to speak to incarcerated individuals who have not been put

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Speaker 1: on trial yet, who have been mirandized without the presence

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Speaker 1: of their lawyer. This is as dicey as it gets.

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Speaker 1: They have a quote here from Patrick Toomey, who's deputy

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Speaker 1: director of the ACLUS National Security Project. He said DHS

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Speaker 1: should not be questioning people in immigration or criminal detention

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Speaker 1: for human intelligence purposes without far stronger safeguards for their rights.

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Speaker 1: While this questioning is purportedly voluntary, DHS's policy ignores the

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Speaker 1: coercive environment these individuals are held in it fails to

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Speaker 1: ensure that individuals have a lawyer present, and it does

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Speaker 1: nothing to prevent the government from using a person's words

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Speaker 1: against them in court. So let me break that down

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Speaker 1: for you. They have these guidelines in place where supposedly

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Speaker 1: when they go in to talk to these inmates, they're

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Speaker 1: supposed to present them you don't have to talk to us,

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Speaker 1: and they are also so they are not allowed to

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Speaker 1: offer anything in exchange for whatever it is that this

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Speaker 1: person is going to tell them. But imagine that you're

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Speaker 1: sitting there in a prison cell and someone from DHS

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Speaker 1: comes and says they want to speak with you. I mean,

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Speaker 1: imagine what an intimidating and confusing circumstance that is for

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Speaker 1: the individual. So that's what he is referring to here

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00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: of the coercive environment. And then at the end he

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Speaker 1: says it does nothing to prevent the government from using

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Speaker 1: a person's words against them in court. Well, if that

782
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Speaker 1: information that is gleaned from the DHS individual then ends

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00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: up in the hands of, you know, people who are

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Speaker 1: involved in this person's police officers, prosecutors, etc. There's no

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Speaker 1: provisions to protect that information from being used against these

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Speaker 1: people that was obtained again without their lawyer's present. So

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Speaker 1: it's a civil liberties nightmare. And you know it's a

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Speaker 1: civil liberty's nightmare because even within this program, she has

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Speaker 1: quote after quote after quote of employees being deeply concerned

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Speaker 1: that they're breaking the law and even insisting that they

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Speaker 1: received professional liability insurance in case they end up being

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Speaker 1: held liable for the actions that they're taking here. And

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Speaker 1: they also had numerous times where something that they were

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Speaker 1: told was okay, and this is what you should go

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Speaker 1: and do, and here's the proper protocol that all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden there was a hard stop of like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's not do that. Actually I'm not sure we got

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Speaker 1: some guidance. So the fact that it was so unclear

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Speaker 1: made people deeply uncomfortable. They also expressed and this was

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Speaker 1: not like a few isolated people, This was like the

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Speaker 1: majority of people who were their employees were like, hey,

802
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: this is not good exactly. And then you have deep

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Speaker 1: concerns expressed here in these documents that are revealed about

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Speaker 1: the political targeting that you mentioned, and also deep concerns

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00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: this is what people were willing to say. There were

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Speaker 1: also deep concerns that they were terrified to actually speak

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Speaker 1: out and say anything because they feared for their job

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Speaker 1: or to be put in some you know, undesirable post

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Speaker 1: and sort of like push to the side because of criticism.

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Speaker 1: I don't think people understand the DHS is the largest

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Speaker 1: law enforcement agency in the United States. I mean, they

812
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Speaker 1: are gigantic in terms of their overview of thousands of

813
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Speaker 1: law enforcement officers who work there. There are all kinds

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Speaker 1: of crazy and sketchy intel programs within them that you

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Speaker 1: and I have no idea about. I feel like I

816
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: learn about a nude domestic surveillance program every six months

817
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: the other day, you know, I remember whenever we were

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Speaker 1: covering this over at Rising, turns out the Postal Service

819
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Speaker 1: is spying on you. It's like, oh, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: It's not, by the way, not about your mail. Like

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Speaker 1: they're using records that they have to have like essentially

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Speaker 1: look ups and have a complete war lifts surveillance program

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Speaker 1: on your cyber movements. And I was like, what does

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Speaker 1: the Postal Service have to do with it? They exploit

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Speaker 1: all kinds of these legal loopholes. There are internal agencies

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Speaker 1: that are sprung up everywhere. And then what if we

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Speaker 1: also learned, you know, Church committee going all the way back,

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Speaker 1: which is even the modest guidelines that we have laid

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Speaker 1: out for these people. Okay, if you're going to spy

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Speaker 1: in the US, here's what you got to do, here's

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Speaker 1: what you can't do. They go to extraordinary lengths to

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Speaker 1: break them. They don't follow the rules, and then in

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Speaker 1: many cases their own employees are like, hey, we're not

834
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Speaker 1: following the rules. And then also, how did we even

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Speaker 1: find out about this? It was leaked to the press. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's supposed to come through Congressional committee, and

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Speaker 1: then not only that, you're supposed to have an inspector,

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Speaker 1: general process or even Congress write new rules to say, Okay, legally,

839
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Speaker 1: this is what you're allowed to do. It never happens. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they just keep expanding and spending. They break the law

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Speaker 1: all the time. Counterpoints is obviously going to have a

842
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Speaker 1: show tomorrow and Ryan and Emily will cover this themselves.

843
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Speaker 1: But our own Ryan Grimm was in the press briefing

844
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Speaker 1: room and ask Kareen Jean Pierre about but which it

845
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Speaker 1: was revealed that a member of Congress was spied on

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Speaker 1: by the government, and he asked, hey, what's going on

847
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Speaker 1: with that? Who doubtless who it was wouldn't say anything,

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Speaker 1: and there are so little curiosity from almost anyone else

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Speaker 1: in the mainstream press about any of these issues. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this should be a bombshell report from Betsy Woodruff. It's

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Speaker 1: well reported, it's you know, deep, very detailed, with all

852
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Speaker 1: of the concerns and the complaints and the civil liberties violations,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, and it barely gets noticed in the mainstream press.

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Speaker 1: That suppose they support it. I think that they like

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Speaker 1: the fact that the government can do all this because

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Speaker 1: then the government does what, they leak whatever sensitive information

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Speaker 1: they can to the press, and the rest of us

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Speaker 1: can just get to scream into the void. To be

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Speaker 1: honest with you, Yeah, it's I think because Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: is in the office of presidency right now, they feel

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Speaker 1: more comfortable. Of course, if this came out during the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration, then they would potentially be more worried about

863
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: its weaponization. But it shouldn't matter which president it is

864
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: when you have these sort of abuses consistently occurring against

865
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: American citizens. Absolutely, Okay, let's move on to doctor Fauci.

866
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: Just some more stuff that just crystallizes for all time

867
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: how complicit he was not only in the lab leak,

868
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: in funding the Wuhan lab, but in covering up his

869
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: own role and the implication that the COVID nineteen virus

870
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: did leak from the Muhan lab. Let's put this up

871
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: there on the screen. New emails which were uncovered by

872
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: a committee investigating the lab leak hypothesis revealed that doctor

873
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: Anthony Fauci prompted and commissioned a final approval for a

874
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: scientific paper, which we've covered here at nauseum, in February

875
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty to disprove the theory that the virus

876
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: had leaked from the lab. Now, why that is important

877
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: is that just two months later he stood at the

878
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: White House podium and said that quote. There was a

879
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: study recently where a group of highly qualified evolutionary virologists

880
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: looked at the sequences in bats as they evolve and

881
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: the mutations that it took to get to the point

882
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 1: where it is now totally consistent with a jump from

883
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 1: species from animal to a human. So the paper will

884
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: be available. I don't have the authors right now, but

885
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: I can make it available to you. Why does that matter,

886
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: Because he sent a final approval editing in draft form

887
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: for that paper that was published in Nature magazine on

888
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: February seventeenth, twenty twenty. He then used that paper to

889
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: actually tell his boss, the United States government, and the

890
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: American people in the press that showed that the lab

891
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: leak theory was thus disproven. Now, look, we've actually focused

892
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: quite a bit on that February seventeen paper. I've done

893
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 1: a lot of monologues about the emails showing Christian Anderson

894
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: and many of the other virologists who initially had believed

895
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: that this was a lab leak and had not consistent

896
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: with evolutionary theory, effectively being browbeat by doctor Fauci, by

897
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: Peter Dazak, by many of these other characters were involved

898
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: who ultimately come out with this paper. The paper was

899
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: then extraordinarily influential by the media, by the scientific establishment

900
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 1: by quashing any disc and as to how exactly COVID

901
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: nineteen might have come from the lab, And then we

902
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: didn't find out for nearly two years until a Foyer investigation.

903
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: And now these emails show you not only that Fauci

904
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: knew in January that the virus was not quote not

905
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: consistent with evolutionary theory, but that he actually commissioned the

906
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: paper himself. He prompted the drafting of the publication. His

907
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: hands are so dirty on this that it's difficult to

908
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,959
Speaker 1: even describe. And you know, it's unfortunate because of course,

909
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: even you want to cover this, who's the only outlets

910
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: covering it? New York Post, right Baily called. You know,

911
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: it's like it's only the conservative media. This is a

912
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: huge story, Yeah that nobody were people refused to pick

913
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: up on. Yeah, but it goes against the narrative of Fauchi.

914
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: The Saint Yeh has been peddled and continue to be

915
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: peddled right up until his retirement with his own, you know,

916
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: puff pieces in New York Times, et cetera. And just

917
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: to give you the details here, this paper was submitted

918
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: to Nature Medicine with a cover email that read, there's

919
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: been a lot of speculation, fear mongering, and conspiracies put

920
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 1: in this space. This paper was prompted by Jeremy Farrah,

921
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: Tony Fauci, and Francis Collins, so explicitly stating that the

922
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: paper was prompted by Tony Fauci. And just to remind

923
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: you of the timeline here this paper, this letter drops

924
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: four days after that initial conference call, when there were

925
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: several at least members of the call who at least

926
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: thought it was plausible that it came from a lab leak,

927
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: and in particular and some who thought it was much

928
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: more likely than not that it came from a lab leak.

929
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: So it's mere days after this call that there's a

930
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: marshaling of forces to destroy any semblance of that narrative

931
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: and make it off limits for the press. And I

932
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: mean it worked as a cudgel incredibly effectively. He knew

933
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: what he was doing. This was a set piece. He knew. Okay,

934
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: if we put out this letter and we have all

935
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: of these signists sign onto it, Madia doesn't understand this stuff,

936
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: then we hint to the oh, if the other theory

937
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 1: is just conspiracy, it's just Trump talk, it's just you know, racist,

938
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: et cetera, then that will put any idea that this

939
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: could have leaked from the lab off the table and

940
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: no one will investigate it. And guess what, almost no

941
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: one did for quite a while. It was extraordinarily effective, right,

942
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: And I think people need to remember, you know, with

943
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 1: Christian Anderson, with many of the other people who were involved,

944
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: you had doctor Peter Dazak also use this paper and

945
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: then thank them and then send it to fauci In

946
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: to other people in the scientific establishment to continue to

947
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 1: quash it. By April, it was completely impossible to discuss

948
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: the Lablik hypothesis in the public sphere. It was knocked

949
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: down so quickly. Doth protests a little bit too much.

950
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: Then at the time it was used to take zero

951
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: hedge off of Twitter. It was obviously used as a

952
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: censorship mechanism all over YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, many of the

953
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: other social media platforms. And you know, three years later,

954
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: literally three years later, what do we know it was

955
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: almost certainly true. At this point, you're, in my opinion,

956
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: you're a conspiracy theorist if you don't think that it

957
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: came from the lab, because there is just such little

958
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: evidence to even back that up. Now even you know,

959
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: the Energy Department, the FBI have to admit that, yeah,

960
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: it probably came from the lab. If the former CDC

961
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: director under Donald Trump, who came out years ago now

962
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: almost two years ago, at this point, he's like, yeah,

963
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: I think it came out of the Wuhan Lab. Apparently

964
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: that was just not a p that was not considered

965
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: an influential enough figure to prompt investigation, and to this day,

966
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: the only way that the mainstream media will cover it

967
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: is you know, one of the segment we were going

968
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: to do Crystal was about the Washington Posts, and the

969
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: Washington Post wrote this effective hit piece on the lab

970
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: leak theory where they're like, this little known department in

971
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: energy is the one who is coming up with the

972
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 1: idea that it came from the lab. That little known department,

973
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 1: by the way, is tasked with overseeing safety of actual

974
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 1: virology labs. So yeah, maybe they happen to know something

975
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: about lab safety and about how to read intelligence about

976
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: how this virus might have been escape from the WUHAVIA. Yeah,

977
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: even beyond the censorship, which was obviously outrageous, the smearing

978
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: of people who suggested there was something to this theory

979
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: as you know, racist and xenophobic and all the rest,

980
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: there was a real cost to putting people off the

981
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: track for years where you know, this was a critical

982
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: time period when we could have had a better shot

983
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 1: at getting to the bottom of what actually happened here,

984
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: and we'll never get that time back. So there was

985
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: a real scientific cost to this whole what looks very

986
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: clearly to me at this point like a conspiracy to

987
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 1: hide a potential possibility and reality from the American public

988
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: and quash any potential debate or investigation in that direction.

989
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: Well said second part here, which is amusing, but also

990
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: not all of that surprising. Let's put this up there

991
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: on the screen. It's now being revealed that then president

992
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: CNN's Jeff Zucker ordered staff not to chase down the

993
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: lab leak theory as the pandemic unfolded. So this is

994
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: a report from Fox News' Brian Flood and Joseph Wilfson too,

995
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: who I know, and they've done good work in the past,

996
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: so I have some cre I lend some credence to

997
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: this report. Here's what they say. In the early months

998
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 1: of the pandemic, then president CNN president Jeff Zucker would

999
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: not allow his network to chase down the lab leak

1000
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: story because he believed quote it was a Trump talking point.

1001
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: Now he says, people are slowly waking up to the fog.

1002
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy that we didn't chase it harder.

1003
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: Throughout Zucker's tenure at CNN, he had an immensely important

1004
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: role from directing editorial network of the entire the editorial

1005
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 1: direction of the entire network. They point to a March

1006
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty article published by CNN's Oliver Darcy, who says, quote,

1007
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: here's how to debunk coronavirus misinformation and conspiracy theories from

1008
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 1: friends and family that include debunking the idea that COVID

1009
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: nineteen had leaked from the lab and that the origin

1010
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: was not entirely consistent with the natural origin hypothesis. CNN

1011
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: host Fared Zakaria also said, quote, thefar Wright has now

1012
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: found its own virus conspiracy theory, and in February of

1013
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, they published a facts first examination of Tom

1014
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: Cotton where they tried to knock him down. They have

1015
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: all kinds of stories spanning over the year of how

1016
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: many times that they tried to debunk the lab leaue hypothesis,

1017
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: from CNN's New Day, to Chris Cuomo, to people who

1018
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: were writing there at the network. And I will give

1019
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: them only one slight ounce of credit which they did

1020
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: not cover in this. Josh Rogan, who we've had here

1021
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: on the show, who's been also on the Joe Rogan Experience.

1022
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: He works for the Washington Post. He is a Cian

1023
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: an analyst, and he did at least talk about it

1024
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: a little bit whenever they did it. So I want

1025
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: to say that they did air it because Rogan is

1026
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: a fearless journalist whenever it comes to this issue, and

1027
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,479
Speaker 1: never ever dropped the idea that it might have come

1028
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: from the Wuhan lab because you know, he just wanted

1029
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: to do a very basic investigation. However, outside of Josh Rogan,

1030
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: there was a complete effort from the very top of

1031
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: the network. It seems to quash any investigation here of

1032
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: the lab leak theory. I will also say that they

1033
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: played down CNN Sanjay Gupta's report about COVID. If we'll

1034
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: recall Crystal Gupta is the one who went ahead and

1035
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: interviewed was Robert Redfield, I think it's his name. He

1036
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: interviewed him and is the one who got that quote

1037
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: about him saying that the virus had leaked from the lab.

1038
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: But they were of course important to air. They're like, well,

1039
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: people disagree with doctor Redford on this issue, and so

1040
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: even when they had the scoop from the former CDC director,

1041
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: they felt the need editorially, it seems to tone all

1042
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: of this down anytime lab leak was mentioned, they went

1043
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: out of their way to say, well, there's no evidence

1044
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: for this, but guess what. There was no evidence for

1045
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: the zoomage the natural original wet market theory either. I

1046
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: mean they never found this theoretical animal that passed virus whatever.

1047
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: These were both theories. At this point, you do have

1048
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: some evidence in the direction of lab leak, but you

1049
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: know you can't say on one handler, oho, well there's

1050
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: no evidence to support this. It's just a theory. But

1051
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: then the other one that is equally as hypothetical and theoretical,

1052
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: that also has no evidence backing it, that one you

1053
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: just push forward is like, oh, well, this is the

1054
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: one that the serious people are taking a look at.

1055
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: And that's really what it came down to. I mean,

1056
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: Jeffzucker doesn't know anything about science, and so they all

1057
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: used this sort of partisan analysis of who they liked

1058
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: more so they liked Tony Fauci and they didn't like

1059
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, and that's how Zucker ends up labeling lab

1060
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: leak a quote Trump talking point and essentially forbidding the

1061
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: network from investigating it. And again that goes to the

1062
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: point of what Fauci did in terms of pushing for

1063
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: this paper and then putting the paper forward to saying, look,

1064
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: here's the analysis of all the serious people. This is

1065
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,439
Speaker 1: what they think. That was very effective when it came

1066
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: to liberal networks like CNN. My favorite example that they

1067
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: gave here he went through like Oliver Darcy and whatever

1068
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: personally enjoyed Crysalizz's contribution. They headlined at Anthony Fauci just

1069
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: crushed Donald Trump's theory on the origins of the coronavirus.

1070
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: It notes that Trump has been making the case the

1071
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: coronavirus originated not in nature, but in a lab in Wuhan, China.

1072
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: Insisted Fauci's claim that the virus likely originated naturally was

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Speaker 1: more accurate. Quote here's a quote from the piece. I

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Speaker 1: love this. Now before we play the game of he said,

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Speaker 1: she he said, he said, remember this, only one of

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Speaker 1: these two people is a world renowned infectious disease expert,

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Speaker 1: and it's not Donald Trump. Solisa wrote, So giving up

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Speaker 1: the game that your entirety of your analysis is Trump

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Speaker 1: is bad. Trump said a thing, Therefore the thing must

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Speaker 1: be wrong. And I'm going to believe this person over here,

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Speaker 1: who he's the good guy. He is science, he's on

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Speaker 1: the side of science, and so I'm just going to reflexively,

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Speaker 1: without thinking, assume that he's the one that's correct real journalism. There.

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Speaker 1: He really is the king of the Midwites. We also

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Speaker 1: have a hilarious tweet here from Eli I just got

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Speaker 1: to say here at the top, look, let's put it

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Speaker 1: up there on the screen. He says that he floats

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Speaker 1: the idea that if an organization portrays itself as balanced,

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Speaker 1: it should be labeled to inform the public. After somebody

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Speaker 1: floated the idea that because CNN told their staff not

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Speaker 1: to share COVID, that they should label CNN state affiliated media. Now, look,

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Speaker 1: let's not go down this road. As terrible as I

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Speaker 1: think CNN is, I think that editorially trying to place

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Speaker 1: factual notes on different organizations as to how they lean

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Speaker 1: and all of that is a terrible idea of just

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Speaker 1: because I think that basically everything should be allowed to

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Speaker 1: float completely equally, and then we can all make up

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Speaker 1: our minds, and you know, CNN itself can humiliate itself

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Speaker 1: three years later and we can all take a victory

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Speaker 1: lap on them. That said, it is kind of funny

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Speaker 1: the idea of labeling them as state affiliate media. I'm

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Speaker 1: amazingah bad idea, but amusing, and if it happened, it

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be the worst thing of the world. I would

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Speaker 1: speak out of it about it though. Okay, let's move

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Speaker 1: on to an important segment with January sixth and some

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Speaker 1: new video which was debuted last night on Tucker Carlson.

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Speaker 1: So of course, let's step back. Part of the speakership

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Speaker 1: deal that Kevin McCarthy apparently had to agree to was

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Speaker 1: to give thousands of hours of January six footage to

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Speaker 1: the Tucker Carlson Show producers that they could comb through

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Speaker 1: to see if they could find some different stuff that

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Speaker 1: had not been reviewed by both the January sixth Committee

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Speaker 1: and had not yet been aired by CNN, by the

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Speaker 1: New York Times or any of the mainstream media outlets.

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Speaker 1: One of the clips that Tucker aired on his show

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Speaker 1: last night is I think pretty extraordinary. It shows the

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Speaker 1: famed QAnon Shaman effectively being led through the halls of

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Speaker 1: the Capitol by Capitol police, multiple Capitol police who could

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Speaker 1: have taken him down at any one point, and at

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Speaker 1: one point Crystal opening the door to the Senate Chamber

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Speaker 1: for the q Andon Shaman to then take those famous

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Speaker 1: photos where he was literally on the Senate floor. So

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and play this for everybody. Tucker is

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Speaker 1: narrating some of the footage here. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 1: Dangerous conspiracy theorist dressed in outlandish costume who led the

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Speaker 1: violent insurrection to overthrow American democracy. For these crimes, Chansley

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Speaker 1: was sentenced to nearly four years in prison, far more

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Speaker 1: time than many violent criminals now receive. What did Jacob

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Speaker 1: Chansley do to receive this punishment? To this day, there's

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Speaker 1: dispute over how Chansley got into the Capitol building, but

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Speaker 1: according to our review of the internal surveillance video, it

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Speaker 1: is very clear what happened once he got inside. Virtually

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Speaker 1: every moment of his time inside the Capitol was caught

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Speaker 1: on tape. The tape show that Capitol police never stopped

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Speaker 1: Jacob Chansley. They helped him. They acted as his tour guides.

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Speaker 1: Here's video of Chansley in the Senate chamber. Capitol police

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Speaker 1: officers take him to multiple entrances and even try to

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Speaker 1: open lock doors for him. We counted at least nine

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Speaker 1: officers who were within touching distance of unarmed Jacob Chansley,

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Speaker 1: not one of them even tried to slow him down.

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Speaker 1: Chanceley understood that Capitol police were his allies. Video shows

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Speaker 1: him giving thanks for them in a prayer on the

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Speaker 1: floor of the Senate, watched to the police officers to allow. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a single innocent explanation for that.

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Speaker 1: And one of the reasons why I think that's important is,

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Speaker 1: as Tucker said, Chansley was not only sentence he's now serving,

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Speaker 1: I believe, a pretty long length four year sentence in prison.

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Speaker 1: We should remember this that the judge involved in this

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Speaker 1: case in many other cases, actually denied these defendants access

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Speaker 1: to this footage, specifically because the defendants were like, hey,

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Speaker 1: the footage is going to show that these cops let

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Speaker 1: us in there, and it goes against the narrative. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: I think that that certainly is important when we'rejillious, I'm

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Speaker 1: not defending this guy. Clearly his office rocker and clearly

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Speaker 1: was crazy. But you know, you got nine uniform police

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Speaker 1: officers armed who are opening doors effectively escorting him around

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Speaker 1: the building. That's crazy. You and I were talking a

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Speaker 1: little bit about the show. I cannot come up with

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Speaker 1: any innocent explanation for this. I don't think it exists

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Speaker 1: unless they was just sympathized with him for part of

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Speaker 1: the reason why he's like part of the reason he

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Speaker 1: thanks them in his shamanistic prayer and allowing him on

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Speaker 1: the floor, these them as allies right in the wake

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Speaker 1: of First of all, let me say, look, Tucker has

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Speaker 1: a narrative that he has been pushing about January six

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Speaker 1: and he, you know, has like attempted to cherry pick.

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Speaker 1: I have no doubt the footage that backs up his

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Speaker 1: version of the day. Okay, so let's just put that

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Speaker 1: out there. But that aside, let's deal with what is

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Speaker 1: actually portrayed in this video, because I remember right after

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Speaker 1: January sixth, there were all these videos floating around of

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Speaker 1: like Capitol police officers opening up the gates outside, and

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Speaker 1: people on the left were like and liberals were like,

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Speaker 1: what the hell is this about? Like, why are you

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Speaker 1: doing that now? It's also absolutely the case based on

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Speaker 1: other footage that we've seen, that there were violent scuffles

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Speaker 1: and assaults and there were Capitol police officers who were

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Speaker 1: trying to keep the doors closed, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But when you look at this footage, like I want

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Speaker 1: to know what was going on in theirs where they're

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Speaker 1: just milling around or they're actively helping him find an

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Speaker 1: entrance into the chambers. How do you justify that? And

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Speaker 1: it seems like remember soccer. Also right after January sixth,

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Speaker 1: there was a little bit of reporting that was very

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Speaker 1: critical of the Capitol Police because the response was atrocious.

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Speaker 1: We covered that investigation into how all of their riot

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Speaker 1: shields were like locked in a bus that nobody had

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Speaker 1: the key to you. I was total Keystone Cops thing.

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Speaker 1: And it was also there was also continue to be

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Speaker 1: huge questions about how it could be the case that

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Speaker 1: you had infiltrators in some of these groups. We know that,

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Speaker 1: and yet you were unable when there was an actual,

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Speaker 1: like real threat going on here to disrupt this event

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Speaker 1: and you were too busy, like you know, inventing conspiracies

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Speaker 1: for Gretchen Whitmer or as we covered on the show

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Speaker 1: with Trevor Aronson, the focus on like inserting agent provocateurs

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Speaker 1: and Black Lives Matter, Like you're doing all that stuff,

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Speaker 1: but you've got infiltrators in these groups and you're not

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Speaker 1: able to like muster sufficient security to disrupt this actual threat.

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Speaker 1: So to me, it just adds to a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of questions about what exactly happened with the Capitol police,

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Speaker 1: about whether they saw themselves as allies with these people

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Speaker 1: who were storming the Capitol, and the failures of our

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Speaker 1: intelligence and law enforcement agencies to get ahead of this

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Speaker 1: threat when they should have had all of the assets

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Speaker 1: in place they needed to know that this was ultimately coming.

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Speaker 1: Talker also exposed something important about Ray Epps, the potential

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Speaker 1: Asian provocateur who is on video multiple times saying we

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Speaker 1: need to go into the Capitol minutes after texting his

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Speaker 1: nephew quote I orchestrated it. Epps swore to the January

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Speaker 1: sixth Committee that he had left. Surveillance video clearly shows

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Speaker 1: him on the Capitol grounds thirty minutes later, after he

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Speaker 1: investigators that he had left the grounds of the Capitol.

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Speaker 1: So he lied. He's just been exposed straight up as

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Speaker 1: a liar to Congress. He committed an act of perjury. Now,

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Speaker 1: do I think that they're going to refer him to

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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice and they'll prosecute potentially one of

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Speaker 1: their own. No, I don't you also remember from the

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Speaker 1: New York Times they are very sympathetic portrait of EPs.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I've had to move and all that. They

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Speaker 1: never asked him really point blank one time, They're like, hey,

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Speaker 1: did you cooperate with the FBI? Were you an FBI informant.

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Speaker 1: Let's also not forget the Proud Boys. You know that

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Speaker 1: has come out in the trial and the indictments. Was

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Speaker 1: the leader of the organization was an informant? We also

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Speaker 1: from the oath Keeper's indictment and the eventual convictions and

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Speaker 1: stuff that came out in the trial, there was a

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Speaker 1: lot of FBI infiltration into some of these groups. So, look,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, and I'm not saying that

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Speaker 1: it was a total setup. I'm not saying that it

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Speaker 1: was a peaceful day or any of that. Clearly there

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Speaker 1: was a lot of violence that occurred. But I think

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Speaker 1: that there is a hell of a lot of questions

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Speaker 1: to ask about the Capitol police officers that were specific.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the QAnon Shoman effectively is what he's like

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Speaker 1: the mascot of what he became the most visible symbol of.

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Speaker 1: You got nine cops who were standing outside and opening

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Speaker 1: a door for an unarmed guy when he's walking onto

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Speaker 1: the Senate floor and Also, I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: people remember, but there was video from the floor of

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Speaker 1: the Senate where one of the officers was like, hey,

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Speaker 1: like just so you know, like this is one of

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Speaker 1: the most hallowed, important grounds. Well why did you let

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Speaker 1: him in there? Why would you open the door to

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Speaker 1: make sure that the guy can get into the chamber.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me like there was a you know,

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Speaker 1: there was like a chaotic period of actual exploration of

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Speaker 1: the events of the day and the immediate aftermath of

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Speaker 1: January sixth, and then the Democratic Party decided the narrative

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Speaker 1: they wanted to go with was the Capitol Police officers

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Speaker 1: were heroes uniformly, right, And again I'm not saying there

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Speaker 1: were heroic efforts on that day among individual members of

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Speaker 1: the Capitol Police, but I think that these images raise

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Speaker 1: a lot of questquestions about, to say the least, about

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Speaker 1: whether that was uniformly the case. But they wanted this

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Speaker 1: very black and white narrative, and so they killed any

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Speaker 1: potential nuance. They you know, didn't show the public any

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Speaker 1: of this footage that paints a very different picture that's

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Speaker 1: at odds with the very disnified, black and white version

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Speaker 1: of events that they were portraying in which the Capitol

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Speaker 1: police officers with heroes and you know, these individuals coming

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Speaker 1: the capital were the villains and they were clashing and

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Speaker 1: that was the end of the story. So in any case,

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Speaker 1: like I said at the top, listen, Tucker has his

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Speaker 1: narrative that he's pushing, and he wants to pick the

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Speaker 1: footage that is going to serve his narrative, just like

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Speaker 1: the Democrats had their narrative that they're pushing, and they

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Speaker 1: wanted to pick the footage that you know, ultimately backed

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Speaker 1: up their point of view. I wish we could have

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Speaker 1: a broader, more public revelation of all of this footage

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Speaker 1: so we could have the nuanced picture of that day

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Speaker 1: that the American people still deserve and will probably never get.

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Speaker 1: Part of the reason I'm not that troubled by it

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Speaker 1: is like, look, at this point, the New York Times

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Speaker 1: literally want a Politicer Prize for reconstructing the violent on

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Speaker 1: gen You can watch every violent clip known to man

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Speaker 1: that happened on jan six. This is the stuff that

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Speaker 1: we have not had any real expose a into. So look,

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Speaker 1: I don't agree, I mean, I don't disagree. Tucker has

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Speaker 1: his agenda. He's been saying it's what did he say?

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Speaker 1: It was a set up? Basically false flag? It was

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Speaker 1: a false flag evidence even No, I don't think it

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Speaker 1: was one hundred percent the false flag? Do I think

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Speaker 1: that there were you know, elements of informants and agents

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff that were involved on the day

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Speaker 1: of January six. I think that's effectively a fact to

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Speaker 1: me at this point. The bigger question isn't like, oh,

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Speaker 1: to the FBI, like settens up, because listen, honestly, seeing

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Speaker 1: the way that they operate, I really severely doubt that

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Speaker 1: they have the capability and the competence to be able

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Speaker 1: to pull off some like grand schemes such as this.

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Speaker 1: I think the bigger question in Trevor Aronson, who's written

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Speaker 1: a lot about the FBI and who we had on

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Speaker 1: for his podcast about the agent provocateur and the BLM

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01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: protests in Denver, I think the bigger question is what

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Speaker 1: is the FBI? How is the FBI so incredibly failing

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Speaker 1: at their job when it comes to actual threats that

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01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: they should be able to disrupt while they're so busy,

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Speaker 1: you know, with these agent provocateurs here and Gretchen Whitmer

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Speaker 1: kidnap napping, plots there and going back in time obviously

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Speaker 1: the you know, effectively entrapment of young musclm men with

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Speaker 1: regards to war on terror, like they're so busy creating

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01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: crimes that they can then try to disrupt and write

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01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 1: in like they're the heroes that how do you miss?

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01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: Was that distracting you from actually paying attention to the

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01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: intelligence you could have been gathering from your infiltration of

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Speaker 1: these groups? And if that's the case, like, what use

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01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 1: are you ultimately if you can't do the thing that

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01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do because you're so distracted by these

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Speaker 1: like big shiny plots that you want to construct over here.

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Speaker 1: So to me, that's the sort of bigger picture question

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Speaker 1: about this day, about the operation of these agencies, and

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Speaker 1: then specifically with regard to the Capitol Police, they really

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01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,560
Speaker 1: need to be I wish there was one mainstream outlet

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01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: with some level of credibility that would ask some questions

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01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: about why were you just milling around? Why were you

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01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 1: letting this dude like trying the doors and letting this

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Speaker 1: dude into the chamber? What is that about? Like give

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Speaker 1: us an answer that makes some sense here. Instead, we

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Speaker 1: gave him five hundred million dollars. More, we didn't fire

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Speaker 1: anybody who was involved, and we turned the United States

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Speaker 1: capital City into effectively the green Zone from Iraq. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: that seems like a reasonable one. Good, all right, sagary

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Speaker 1: looking at well, Like apparently many people across the country.

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Speaker 1: I got interested in the Alex Murda trial after watching

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Speaker 1: the Netflix documentary on his family. There's a lot to

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Speaker 1: say about the class element of a patriarchal family in

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Speaker 1: the South effectively owning the legal system even today, in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three in the United States of America. But

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Speaker 1: I have a slightly different take, which is likely to

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Speaker 1: be unpopular, but look still bear some thinking about. After

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Speaker 1: the most recent guilty verdict, the means through which the

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Speaker 1: state got his conviction makes me very uncomfortable for the

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Speaker 1: future of jurisprudence in the United States. And to be clear,

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Speaker 1: if you ask me, I think he probably did it.

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Speaker 1: Certainly things look that way, but that's kind of the point.

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Speaker 1: For those who haven't watched the wild twists and turns

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Speaker 1: of the case, I guess a fair way to sum

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Speaker 1: it up quickly is this, there's this Murda family down

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Speaker 1: in rural South Carolina. It's very powerful. Over the years,

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Speaker 1: a number of crazy things resulting in the deaths of

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Speaker 1: local residents have happened around them, which culminated in the

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Speaker 1: murder of the murder of the wife and the son

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Speaker 1: of Alex Murda. The State of South Carolina asserts that

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Speaker 1: Murda murdered his wife and son in a fit of

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01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: desperation to draw attention away from miss myriad admitted financial

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01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 1: crimes supporting his ongoing drug habit. That means that the

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Speaker 1: means though through which the state proved this murder is

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Speaker 1: what I want to focus on. From day one, prosecutors

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Speaker 1: indicated that despite the fact that such a murder would

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Speaker 1: normally be pursued as a death penalty case, they would

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01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: instead seek life without parole. Why because the case against

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Speaker 1: Murda is largely circumstantial. Marda maintains that his innocence and

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01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: his son was likely killed in a revenge scheme after

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Speaker 1: he was previously the lead culprit in a drunken voting

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Speaker 1: accident that killed local girl Mallory Beach. Now, the way

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Speaker 1: in which the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt to

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01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:21,440
Speaker 1: the jury that Murdach committed the crime was not only circumstantial,

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01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 1: but relied in almost entirely on technology. Murda's version of

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Speaker 1: events was that he was not present at the scene

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Speaker 1: of the crime when the murders were committed on his property.

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Speaker 1: The state, however, reconstructed the crime relying almost entirely on

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Speaker 1: cell phone usage of the victims and of Murda himself.

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Speaker 1: They placed nearly the exact time of the murders based

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Speaker 1: upon the last time that both victims had last unlocked

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Speaker 1: their cell phones. They looked at the exact timestamp of

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Speaker 1: snapchat video allegedly posted minutes before the murders was prepared

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Speaker 1: to show Murda's voice in the background. They looked at

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Speaker 1: the exact step counts of the two murder victims and

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Speaker 1: of Alex Murdad to see how much they had moved,

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Speaker 1: and of murder himself had intentionally didn't have his phone

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Speaker 1: on him at the time of the murder. Prosecutors then

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01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: showed exactly minutes after the purported murders had taken place

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Speaker 1: that Murdo's phone showed a massive increase in activity where

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Speaker 1: he allegedly worked to construct an alibi for himself. One

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Speaker 1: of the ways they show that is he left the

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Speaker 1: house after the alleged murder at an exact point was

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Speaker 1: by pulling the records from the on Star system on

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Speaker 1: board his car. He even were able to pinpoint the

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Speaker 1: exact speed he was going on the highway, and they

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01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,799
Speaker 1: posit based upon his step count gleamed from his Apple

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Speaker 1: health data that he'd been pacing around during his alleged

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Speaker 1: alibi time while he was on the phone in a

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Speaker 1: nervous fit. Now you put it together that way, and

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01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: it sounds bad, right, But as far hid Manju at

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Speaker 1: the New York Times notes, there is another explanation that

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Speaker 1: could make some sense. For instance, the Sun's phone, which

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Speaker 1: was never unlocked again, was a two percent battery the

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Speaker 1: last time that he opened it. The other victim, Maggie

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Speaker 1: Murdo's phone showed changes in orientation from sideways to vertical

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Speaker 1: and recorded moving some steps after her alleged murder. Her

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Speaker 1: phone was later then found on the side of the road,

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Speaker 1: where prosecutors say that he throw it out the window.

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Speaker 1: But weirdly, he apparently is also the guy who gave

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Speaker 1: them the password to his wife's phone where they got

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Speaker 1: all this data. Furthermore, the on Star system shows him

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Speaker 1: speeding not only to the place of his alibi, but

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Speaker 1: also on the way back from his alibi. And as

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Speaker 1: for the pacing, as Manju writes, lots of people walk

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Speaker 1: around while they're on the phone. That's totally normal. I

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01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 1: do it too, not necessarily as a state says evidence

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01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: that he was trying to quote hide something nervously on pacing. Look,

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01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: I am not saying he didn't do it. Somebody obviously

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01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,679
Speaker 1: killed those people, and he had a very good motive.

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01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 1: He had a sketchy history, and if someone else did

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01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: a decent job of ruling out other suspects. The point, though,

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01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: is that we need to be weary of putting people

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01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 1: away for life in prison based purely on cell phone data,

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01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:52,640
Speaker 1: which we think is ironclad. In reality, it's an imperfect

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01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: picture of a complicated real world. As Farhad points out,

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01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: previous studies have showed that the Apple step count data

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01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: is off by a very wide range. On average, some

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Speaker 1: of it is twelve percent compared to a comparable pedometer.

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Speaker 1: None of this apparently was considered by the jury who

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01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: found him guilty within three hours after the reams of

1416
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 1: evidence were presented. And to be transparent, maybe I would

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01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 1: have voted for the same way. But something has to

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01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: stick in the back of our minds about this type

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01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: of technological framing around inaccurate data, and we need to

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01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: have some hubris about what we really know and don't know,

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01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: to question how much confidence that we can actually have.

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01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: Consider for example, the ad non said trial said of

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01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: the serial podcast name famously was put behind bars under

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01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 1: a similar presentation to the jury, Prosecutors use Siaed's cell

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01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:44,679
Speaker 1: phone data to say his phone was in the area

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01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 1: of the body of the victim, Hayman Lee, because it

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01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: pinged a tower nearby the park between the hours where

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01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: they suspect that her body was buried. However, AT and

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Speaker 1: T data at the time noted incoming calls are quote

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01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: not considered reliable information. For Despite this, prosecutors presented the

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01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: cell phone tower data as fact, and it was one

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Speaker 1: of the major reasons he was granted a mistrial and

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Speaker 1: he remains free right now. As you can see, at

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Speaker 1: the time of the trial in two thousand, they considered

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01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 1: this open and shut, no questions asked. I can tell

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Speaker 1: you also, as someone who uses a woopband and Apple

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01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 1: Watch and rely on my data, I know it's not

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01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 1: one hundred percent accurate. Which they themselves will tell you

1439
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:29,480
Speaker 1: it's useful because if it's off, at least it's off consistently,

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01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:31,679
Speaker 1: so you can judge for yourself how you're doing. That's

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01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: perfectly okay when you're using it to track calories, heart

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01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: rate zones, and working out. But just a few months ago,

1443
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: a man was sentenced to sixty five years in prison

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01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 1: where prosecutors relied on the victim's fitbit data to disprove

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01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 1: the alleged alibi of her husband. Again, looking at the case,

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Speaker 1: he looks guilty as hell. His explanation is incredibly dumb.

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01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 1: A random masked man broke into his house, killed his wife,

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Speaker 1: and then only happened to give him superficial knife wounds. Okay,

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01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: but an independent study of the fitbit step counts showed

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01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 1: it was only consistent quote approximately half the time. We

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01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 1: increasingly have prosecutors who are casting this type of data

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01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: as absolute fact, when at least in my mind, it's

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01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 1: right there on the edge of reasonable doubt. I don't

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Speaker 1: exactly know what the point of this monologue is, only

1455
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: to raise awareness of the new tools that the state

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01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 1: is using against criminals and for people to be very

1457
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: aware of the real consequences of what it actually means

1458
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 1: to be tracked all the time. Who knows the cases

1459
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: they can build against anyone in the future using this

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01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 1: type of data. So I'm curious what you think, Cristle.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, I'm looking at this date and

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01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 1: if you want to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. Christl,

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Speaker 1: what are you taking a look at? Well, guys, Bloomberg

1465
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 1: is out with a new report on just how brutal

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01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:53,640
Speaker 1: the housing market is for people who are just starting out.

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01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 1: According to new data quote, first time buyers made up

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01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 1: the smallest share of sales on record last year at

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01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 1: six percent, even as home value started to cool, according

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Speaker 1: to the National Association of Realtors, and rising borrowing costs

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Speaker 1: and still high prices have pushed housing to the most

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Speaker 1: unaffordable levels in records that go back almost four decades.

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01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 1: This is the nightmare scenario that we have been talking about,

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01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 1: one that was, by the way, intentionally engineered by the FED.

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01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: Housing prices have more or less remained high due to

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01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: low levels of housing stock and high mortgage rates mean

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01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 1: that attempting to finance a home purchase is wildly unattainable

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01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: for most would be buyers. In fact, the high interest

1479
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 1: rates engineered by the FED make the housing stock problem

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01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 1: worse as well. High borrowing costs deter developers from building

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01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:46,440
Speaker 1: new homes that might help ease price pressures, and existing

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01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: homeowners would have to be fools to move right now

1483
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: and give up the low mortgage rates many of them

1484
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 1: locked in while rates were at rock bottom. The housing

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Speaker 1: supply issue is particularly dire in affordable housing. Take a

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01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: look at this chart. Middle tier and top tier home

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01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 1: inventory expanded significantly year over year. Actually, the priciest home

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01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 1: stock jump by thirty seven percent nationally. The bottom tier

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01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: of housing, what of course, most first time home buyers

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01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:15,679
Speaker 1: would be looking at, that actually fell by one point

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Speaker 1: five percent. Cities like New York, DC, Chicago they saw

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Speaker 1: the largest declines in affordable housing stock. But the state

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Speaker 1: with the largest housing deficit has long been California, and

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Speaker 1: the epicenter of that crisis is Los Angeles. The LA

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Speaker 1: Times recently did a deep dive into the history of

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Speaker 1: LA's unique housing horror That would be sprawl combined with

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Speaker 1: wildly overcrowded living spaces, reminiscent of New York City tenements

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Speaker 1: from a century ago. Now, La was originally pitched to

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Speaker 1: the nation as a land of single family homes where

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Speaker 1: you could enjoy the amenities of city life with the

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Speaker 1: natural beauty in the personal space of rural life. But

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Speaker 1: it took a lot of immigrants and a lot of

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Speaker 1: low wage workers to build that California dream, and so

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Speaker 1: before long the city bifurcated into those white, affluent residents

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Speaker 1: enjoying the d in those single family homes and those

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Speaker 1: immigrant and low wage workers who were doing the backbreaking

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Speaker 1: labor of the dream in crowded trailers and in shacks. Now,

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Speaker 1: once the city's identity formed and all those single family

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Speaker 1: neighborhoods were created, it was pretty hard to change course.

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Speaker 1: In fact, it's been impossible. Classism and racism played their

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Speaker 1: part in preventing the building of affordable housing stock. NIMBI

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Speaker 1: liberals weaponized supposed environmental concerns to pass and keep zoning

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Speaker 1: laws which locked the status quo into place. Now it's

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Speaker 1: worth reading. This entire article is very nuanced, but for

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Speaker 1: a flavor of the opposition here, there's one particular incident

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Speaker 1: that really serves as a sort of parable for the

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Speaker 1: mounting housing disaster. Liberal reformers mid century, who were concerned

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Speaker 1: with the overcrowded, unsanitary conditions of the poor, worked to

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Speaker 1: turn a working class immigrant neighborhood into a gleaming new

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Speaker 1: community centered around public housing. The mayor signed on the

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Speaker 1: city started forcing residents out of their homes, but with

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Speaker 1: a promise that at least they would get new housing

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Speaker 1: in the end. But the real estate developers they didn't

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Speaker 1: like this. They thought the public housing would cut into

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Speaker 1: their profit margins, so they declared an all out war

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Speaker 1: on the project. According to the the La Times quote, they

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Speaker 1: financed opposition groups that warned in leaflets that public housing

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Speaker 1: would be the last rung in the latter toward complete socialism,

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Speaker 1: one step this side of communism and our downfall. They

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Speaker 1: sponsored an amendment to the state constitution to effectively block

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Speaker 1: public housing projects. They sicked federal and state Unamerican Activities

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Speaker 1: committees on the architect of the city's plan, who was

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Speaker 1: fired as housing director after accusations that he was a communist,

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Speaker 1: and to seal their victory, they handpicked a candidate to

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Speaker 1: defeat the pro public housing mayor, and in the end

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Speaker 1: they won, the neighborhood was not converted into public housing

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Speaker 1: or even housing of any kind. Instead, it was given

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Speaker 1: as a gift to the Dodgers to lure them from

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn to la So it has gone ever since. Those

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Speaker 1: who profit from the housing disaster status quo have used

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Speaker 1: every trick in the book to protect their own self

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01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 1: interest and have in the process continued the ever upward

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01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: escalation of housing prices. This is great for developers, it's

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Speaker 1: great for current homeowners. It is absolutely terrible for everyone else.

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Speaker 1: Now a lot has been made of the number of

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01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 1: former California residents who fled the state, people who read

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01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 1: all sorts of political motivations into this larger trend, but

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Speaker 1: the biggest cause seems quite simple. People are leaving because

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Speaker 1: they cannot afford to stay. In fact, nationwide, I was

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Speaker 1: kind of surprised to see this. People do still believe

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Speaker 1: in the California dream, and a recent survey out of

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Speaker 1: every city in the country, Los Angeles was actually number

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01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 1: one when people were asked where they would like to

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01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 1: move if money was no object. But of course money

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01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 1: is an object, and for most people achieving that California dream,

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Speaker 1: let alone the American dream has become a near impossibility.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't take a genius to see that this crisis of

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Speaker 1: housing availability and affordability has led to a mounting homelessness

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Speaker 1: problem that is escalating far faster than the state or

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Speaker 1: the county can pour resources into combat it. Grid News'

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Speaker 1: Matthew Zeitlin took a look at this. He recently wrote

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Speaker 1: a long peace pe here. He is summing it up

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. He writes, California spends billions on homelessness. It's

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Speaker 1: essentially a second federal government in terms of funding. The

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01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 1: services reach hundreds of thousands of people, yet the number

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01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 1: of homeless still rises. Why housing costs? It really is

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Speaker 1: that simple. The state cannot dream of keeping up with

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Speaker 1: the homelessness crisis. As long as the housing affordability crisis

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Speaker 1: continues to escalate, they cannot build units fast enough to

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Speaker 1: keep pace with the way that ever escalating prices continually

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01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,719
Speaker 1: pushes thousands more out of their homes and into shelters

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Speaker 1: or onto the street. Now, this is obviously a disaster,

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01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 1: a moral catastrophe for those who are on the brink,

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Speaker 1: and has contributed to a sense of decline and chaos

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Speaker 1: for all of the residents who are living there, the

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Speaker 1: whole cascade of problems is weighing heavily on Californians. In

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Speaker 1: a recent survey across partisan and demo demographic lines, Californian

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Speaker 1: cited homelessness and housing affordability as two of their top

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Speaker 1: issues of concern. Of California in cided homelessness and an

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Speaker 1: equal share cited affordability as big problems. Roughly ninety percent

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Speaker 1: said that they feared housing costs would keep their children

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Speaker 1: from being able to stay and buy a home anywhere

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01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:17,679
Speaker 1: in the state. Now listen, California. It is definitely ground

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01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 1: zero for this crisis. But if you ask people here

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01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 1: in DC or New York or Seattle or practically anywhere

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01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 1: else in the country, you're going to find the same

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01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:30,640
Speaker 1: core issue. People are being priced out of housing, they

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01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 1: can't afford to buy, they are struggling to afford rent.

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01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 1: The dream of basic stability is increasingly out of reach,

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Speaker 1: and visible homelessness is skyrocketing. Frankly, it is generational warfare,

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01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 1: as older generations, which were able to build wealth by

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01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:48,719
Speaker 1: buying a home they benefit from these skyrocketing home prices,

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01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:52,679
Speaker 1: and younger generations predominantly are left on a treadmill trying

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01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: to save up enough for a starter home that doesn't

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01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 1: even exist. It's one more example of how the entire

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Speaker 1: nation is rigged to benefit the people who have already

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01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 1: gotten theirs. And the truth is maybe worst in the

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01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 1: worst in California. And if you want to hear my

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Speaker 1: reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at

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Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot com. Wanted to take a minute to introduce

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Speaker 1: to all of you a new partner here at Breaking

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Speaker 1: Points that we are very excited about, and judging by

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01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 1: the reaction to his first content he's put out, you

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Speaker 1: are very excited about as well. Joining us now is

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01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 1: Spencer Snyder, who has been doing some fantastic explainers and

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01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 1: videos for us. Great to see a Spencer, Thank you

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01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: so much. Good to see you man, Thank you so

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01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 1: much for having me. We are in awe of what

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01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:42,600
Speaker 1: you've been putting together, as is the audience. All the

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01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 1: comments on your work have been phenomenal for those of

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01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 1: you who guys down there who haven't checked it out yet.

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01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:50,680
Speaker 1: His latest video was about jen Zaki and MSNBC, but

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01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:53,759
Speaker 1: really a broader look about the sort of revolving door

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01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 1: between government and media and what we should make of

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01:25:57,320 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: all of that. Fantastic. I learned things about the his

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01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 1: that I didn't know. The editing, the presentation, all of

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01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 1: it is spot on. So I ready go and watch that.

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01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 1: But Spencer, just tell people a little bit about who

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01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:13,639
Speaker 1: you are, how you approach your work, and what your

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01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 1: goal is with the videos that you put out. Yeah,

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01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 1: great question. Well, you know, I got started making videos

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01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 1: working on you know, progressive long shot campaigns in twenty eighteen,

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01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and my approach really has been just that

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01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 1: media is incredibly important. I mean, it's the window through

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01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 1: which everyone understands anything. No normal person is going to

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01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 1: press conferences. They consume everything through media, and their understanding

1627
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:50,639
Speaker 1: of the world is through media. And so getting into

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01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 1: politics and campaigns was really just a way to contribute

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01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 1: in some way that I felt was meaningful. I mean,

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01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: and at that time I didn't have the most confidence

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Speaker 1: in my skills, but I knew that I could make

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01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 1: a video better than you know, certainly a campaign that

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Speaker 1: had no videos, and then getting further into that and

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01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 1: going through twenty twenty and just feeling so much frustration

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01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 1: at the media, in particular the way they handled the

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01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 1: Democratic primary and the larger election in general. I felt

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01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 1: really motivated to start working on my own understanding of

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01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 1: just a theory of media. So I started working on

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01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 1: videos about manufacturing consent. And it's actually been really cool.

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01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 1: I've heard from a few people that they've watched my

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01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 1: manufacturing consent videos in college courses. It's yeah, very cool

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01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 1: considering their videos that made in my bedroom, in the

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01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 1: only clean part of my apartment, which was so that's

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01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: kind of where I got my start, and the obsession

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01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:12,679
Speaker 1: with media and illness just kind of grew from there. Yeah. Well,

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01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 1: your research and your skills are absolutely fantastic. Like I

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01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 1: said the jaz Zaki video, I was watching some of

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01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:20,599
Speaker 1: your stuff. I'm like, this guy is a rare talent man,

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01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 1: because for people who don't know, like you not only

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01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 1: shoot it, you edit it yourself. You made your own graphics,

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01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 1: you put it all together and clearly an informative explainer

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01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 1: less than ten minutes, A history of the White House

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01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,839
Speaker 1: Press secretary revolving door. That is a very very difficult

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01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 1: thing to do. So how did you learn how to

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01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 1: do this? Like? How did you kind of find this

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01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 1: composite of all of these skills? People reach out to

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01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 1: us all the time, like, how do I get into this?

1658
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: So you tell them you made it here for sure. Well,

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01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 1: I came from music and I'm a composer, and then

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01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,759
Speaker 1: I at some point in college I started film scoring,

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01:28:55,800 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 1: which made me a lot of friends with filmmakers, and

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01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 1: so I can't overlook the filmmaker friends of mine who

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01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 1: have taught me a lot. But it's it's YouTube. All

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01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 1: the informations on YouTube, everything you want to know is there.

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01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 1: I didn't go to film school. So how do you

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01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 1: come up with the ideas for your content? How do

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01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 1: you do the research? And do you have a preview

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01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,480
Speaker 1: for us? Do you have any ideas sort of percolating

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01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:25,639
Speaker 1: about what your next video might be? Really good question?

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01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:29,639
Speaker 1: I watched the news and whatever makes me the most angry,

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01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 1: I do a video on Yeah, but yeah, I mean

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01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:43,839
Speaker 1: that's my approach. And I think if you're constantly watching

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01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 1: with the idea in the back of your head that

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01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 1: you're looking for something that might make an interesting video,

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01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 1: if you're just trying to answer your own questions, if

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01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 1: something in the way the media relates something to their

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01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 1: audience to you always feels missing. I mean the Jensaki

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01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 1: video to me. The interesting thing was you see, you know,

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01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 1: in liberals and conservatives, people calling out the idea that

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01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 1: it's somehow there's some discomfort in seeing a press secretary

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01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 1: go to a media outlet and you see it on

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01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 1: both sides, and I just wanted to examine what what

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01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 1: is that discomfort? Why? Why does it make people feel weird?

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01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 1: And is there any any through line between all the

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01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 1: press secretaries? And of course there is. But if my

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01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 1: advice anyone trying to get into this, you just got

1687
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 1: to watch more YouTube. Good advice on the route, Yeah,

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01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 1: go and watch his videos. We'll have a linked down

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01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 1: to his specific channel right there. Keep watching the videos

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01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 1: that and shout on to our producer Mac who spotted

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01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 1: you and present you know, gave us some insights and

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01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 1: put your content in front of us, because you've been

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01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: a phenomenal addition to the breaking Points Ecosystem. Tell people

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01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 1: where they can find you. They can find some of

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01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:10,719
Speaker 1: your content on our channel, but where can they find

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01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 1: you on YouTube? Certainly the latest videos I've made for

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01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:18,679
Speaker 1: you guys, and you can go to my own personal

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01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, which is I should know the link, but

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01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 1: it's my name. Okay, don't worry there's a link in

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01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 1: the description. Yeah, well, let us know how we can

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01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 1: support you. We are very very excited to have you

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01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:34,679
Speaker 1: as part of this, so thank you so much, Spencer.

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Speaker 1: It's great to chat with you. Thanks man, Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for having me Man. Spencer truly incredible guy.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead subscribe to his YouTube channel. As we said

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Speaker 1: linked down in the description, Thank you guys so much

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Speaker 1: for watching Premium members. You're not supporting our work, you're

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Speaker 1: supporting people like Spencer Expansion all the fun stuff that

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Speaker 1: we're doing over here. So we appreciate me. Thank you

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Speaker 1: every single day, and we'll have a great Counterpoints show

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Speaker 1: for you tomorrow. Obviously, we'll be back here on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: We love you and we'll see you later. Don