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Speaker 3: I exposed my ex husband's lies to our son.

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Speaker 1: That might be a little messy.

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Speaker 3: Trigger warning, verbal abuse and mentions of violence. When our

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Speaker 3: son was around eight years old, my husband started acting different,

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Speaker 3: more secretive and accusing me talking with a guy friend

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Speaker 3: or being friendly to the barista equaled straying eyes. I

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Speaker 3: found out a couple of months later he was having

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Speaker 3: an affair with his coworker.

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Speaker 1: The classic projector's move.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, this comes from Action thirty four

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Speaker 3: to seventy seven. And if you want to spend your

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Speaker 3: own stories, submit them. I'm Sophia, I'm Dakota, and I'm

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Speaker 3: Keiha and we're here to give good advice. Goofiy. But

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Speaker 3: we don't have all the answers. We only know what

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Speaker 3: we'd do, So let us know what you would do

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Speaker 3: in the comments. But op says, I immediately filed for

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Speaker 3: divorce and left him and we joint custody of our son.

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Speaker 3: Of course, I constantly reassured him that the divorce wasn't

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Speaker 3: his fault. I didn't want him to hate his dad

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Speaker 3: because of his love for me, so I just lied

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Speaker 3: about the reason and said that adults girl apart sometimes

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Speaker 3: and that's just how it is. But for some reason

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Speaker 3: he was never convinced.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, how old was the child at the time.

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Speaker 3: Do we eat?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not really the right age to tell your kid. Hey,

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Speaker 1: your dad cheated on me. Yeah, let's learn about the

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Speaker 1: wonderful world of infidelity at eight.

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Speaker 3: It's tricky. Well, I now know the reason. Years have passed.

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Speaker 3: I just found out that my son thinks the divorce

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Speaker 3: was my fault. No, like every time, his mom is like,

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Speaker 3: don't worry, sweet, it's not your fault, and he's like,

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Speaker 3: I know it's yours. Oh no, that's tough. I was

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Speaker 3: livid when he mentioned it to me, not mad at him,

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Speaker 3: of course. He told me that ever since I started

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Speaker 3: dating my new boyfriend, his dad revealed the truth of

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Speaker 3: the divorce, which is that I got paranoid, disrupted, his

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Speaker 3: work life became distant, and best of all, I cheated

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Speaker 3: on him.

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Speaker 1: Ah, the classics switcherooo. Oh boy, buddy, you're gonna get exposed.

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Speaker 3: I can tell you right now, I did not. I

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Speaker 3: confronted that piece of crap, and he got flustered, started screaming,

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Speaker 3: cussing out his own son in the process.

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Speaker 1: Hey, he gets the medal for worst data ward.

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Speaker 3: You suck, dude. He told me that it's all because

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Speaker 3: I didn't forgive him, and that I'm rubbing my new

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Speaker 1: Gotta love that just existing and moving on is then

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Speaker 3: I cheated on you and you moved on, and that's

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Speaker 3: not fair. I'm literally not I don't want the two

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Speaker 3: of them mingling. So of course I came back home

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Speaker 3: and told my son the whole truth. He's refusing to

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Speaker 3: talk to his father now and doesn't want to go

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Speaker 3: over to his house. I'm being cussed out by his

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Speaker 3: side of the family for ripping a father away from

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Speaker 3: his son. Not what she did.

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Speaker 1: Classics this is that's a class to shoot the messenger

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Speaker 3: But I couldn't care less any advice. And there are

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Speaker 3: some comments, but you're very much not the a hole.

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Speaker 3: Your ex lied to your son, said that you cheated,

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Speaker 3: and then when you clarified because you weren't even going

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Speaker 3: to tell him all of the gory details, right, your

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Speaker 3: your ex husband did that, and so you just stepped

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Speaker 3: in and clarified. He was already setting the precedent.

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Speaker 1: And I assume he's still around that age, Like, I don't.

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Speaker 3: Know how much I can't imagine that long.

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Speaker 1: The advice I would give is straight up just like,

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Speaker 1: because it is still his dad. And yeah, he's emotional

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Speaker 1: right now because he was lied to, and it's because

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Speaker 1: he did it because his dad did a bad thing.

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Speaker 1: But I guess I would, you know, just try to

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Speaker 1: be like you, however you feel about this situation. You know,

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Speaker 1: just reassuring your your child however you feel is okay. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: don't let the hate consume you young Anakin Skywalker.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely because he is.

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Speaker 1: Still your dad and people are still human.

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Speaker 3: And it's however, dad did cuss out child.

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Speaker 1: That, okay, so clearly, Like it's not just a point.

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Speaker 3: That he's a bad person slash bad partner. He's also

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Speaker 1: Them, don't turn him into Darth Vader, is my only point.

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Speaker 3: Com In one classic FAFO, he became exposed as the

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Speaker 3: kid is smart enough to know who the liar is

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Speaker 3: and who the victim is. Reply, The fact that even

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Speaker 3: make a proper judgment. OPI did not fail her son. Reply, says,

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Speaker 3: Opie's son will remember that character throughout his life. My

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Speaker 3: that I remember it and didn't like it. My mom,

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Speaker 3: to the day I am forty one, has only slipped

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Speaker 3: up two times and called him a name because I

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Speaker 3: an adult. She would say I'm sorry for that and

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Speaker 3: continue to listen. She asks character that I am so

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Speaker 3: glad I learned from her. I have no doubt Op's

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Speaker 3: son has learned character from Ope already and doesn't know

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Speaker 3: it yet. Reply. Most kids usually figure it out, like

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Speaker 3: the old saying goes, you can't fool animals or kids.

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Speaker 3: Second comments, I find it hilarious that the family was

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Speaker 3: lying and telling him you are the one that cheated.

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Speaker 3: But are pissed that you told the truth, and now

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Speaker 3: your kid doesn't want anything with his dad, and rightfully so.

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Speaker 3: I guarantee if your ex had been honest, your kid

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Speaker 3: would have been mad but eventually come around. But since

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Speaker 3: he lied to him and blamed you, I don't know

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Speaker 3: if he's ever going to want to come around. And

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Speaker 3: that's all your ex's fault, true Boo hoover, his side

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Speaker 3: of the family being stupid, collateral damage that encouraged the lie,

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Speaker 3: replies as depends on if his family know the whole

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Speaker 3: truth or not. Every chance he also lied to them too,

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Speaker 3: and there is an update. But I think those are

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Speaker 3: great points. Yeah, maybe maybe go and clarify with the

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Speaker 3: family if you want to, don't have to, don't owe

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Speaker 1: And we've got a comment. I was a child in

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Speaker 1: a bad divorce and they need therapy. My dad refused therapy,

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Speaker 1: so I went low contact in my teens. I do

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Speaker 1: think some level of family therapy could be good, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: just because you know, I don't know, there's all those

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Speaker 1: all kinds of information. It's like when you have like

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Speaker 1: and your upbringing, like it create all kinds of problems

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Speaker 1: like that. Uh, you know, I don't know. I'm not advocate.

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Speaker 1: Dad's clearly a bad dude like the way he's behaving,

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Speaker 1: but uh, bad dude only for the sake of the child.

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Speaker 3: Update. My son has gone fully no contact with his biodad.

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Speaker 3: As for his emotional state, the shock has subsided a

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Speaker 3: bit and has been replaced with anger. When he made

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Speaker 3: pestering my own parents, and my ex husband showed up

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Speaker 3: at my door angry and wasted. I've kept records of

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Speaker 3: everything that they've done until now. I call the police

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Speaker 3: and had my ex escorted off the property when he

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Speaker 3: I thought about hiding all of this from my son

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Speaker 3: because he's had enough of a shock, but I figured

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Speaker 3: good news is that they've stopped pestering me for the

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Speaker 3: time being. I guess the police escorting my X away

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Speaker 3: They contacted me once to ask me not to press

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Speaker 3: charges and haven't contacted me since. Wow, And there is

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Speaker 3: a second update. Clearly, you know, they learned some sort

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Speaker 3: trouble and maybe ask too if we continued pestering Opee.

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Speaker 1: This is a bad dad scenari Bad dad.

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Speaker 3: I mean, clearly, it really doesn't seem like beyond telling

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Speaker 3: any sort of way to make any sort of decision.

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Speaker 3: It's just that he found out that his dad lied

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Speaker 3: and has made the decision to not have any contact

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Speaker 3: with the stead So and maybe he changes his mind later,

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Speaker 3: you know, maybe dad steps up at some point, but

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Speaker 3: for now that seems like it's, you know, the kid's decision.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and now to respect that it is his decision. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's made it based on how his dad communicated with

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Speaker 3: But there is a second update. Back to the point,

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Speaker 3: as it says in the title, I've consulted a lawyer

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Speaker 3: who happens to be my boyfriend's sister. I'll start off

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Speaker 3: by saying that the commons under my og post were

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Speaker 3: my ex mother in law and ex sister in law

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Speaker 3: were saying that since my ex husband isn't to be trusted,

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Speaker 3: I ended up contacting them. Here's what they thought happened.

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Speaker 3: Years ago, I cheated on my ex with my neighbor,

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Speaker 3: Current time, I'm jealous of the promotion my ex got

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Speaker 3: want to ruin his relationship with our son, so I

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Speaker 3: feed him lies and cause a rift. Cherry on top,

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Speaker 3: my boyfriend is a substance user and an ex criminal

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Speaker 3: who's a bad influence on my son. So he's just

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Speaker 3: making up a whole freaking two hour movie plot.

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Speaker 1: He's writing an entire fictionalized novel.

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Speaker 3: This is this is pulp fiction. They're now going against

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Speaker 3: their own son and have agreed to give testimonies if needed.

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Speaker 3: Whoa switch up?

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Speaker 1: Uh, oh, you got them on your side.

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Speaker 3: You just needed to spread the gospel around which tru

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Speaker 3: the truth. I've been keeping a record of all techts

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Speaker 3: mails and calls every single time he threatened me. The

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Speaker 3: he came to our house wasted and angry. I have

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Speaker 3: recordings of his behavior as well. A police report has

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Speaker 3: been filed for harmful acts, trespassing and property damage. I'm

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Speaker 3: also requesting of restraining order as well as soul custody,

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Speaker 3: which is super fair because your son doesn't want to

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Speaker 3: see him anyway. Yeah, so let's get him out of

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Speaker 3: your life altogether. I've brought up criminal intimidation, harmful acts,

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Speaker 3: and battery, as well as compensation regarding medical and emotional damage. Yesterday,

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Speaker 3: he tried approaching my son after school ended. Yikes. Luckily,

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Speaker 3: my boyfriend was already there to pick him up, so

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Speaker 3: he interjected. Everything escalated when my ex started making threats

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Speaker 3: against my boyfriend very loudly. He even cussed at his

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Speaker 3: siding with the trader. Not sure how my boyfriend is

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Speaker 1: Great move, dad, Oh, your son's not on your side?

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Speaker 1: Why is? Why didn't you curse him out and you

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Speaker 1: call him a trader?

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Speaker 3: Humiliate him in front of his school that is really

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Speaker 3: He says he's currently seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whoa big time therapy. Probably should have been in

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Speaker 3: It's kind of crazy that all of the parents were

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like a lot of time

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Speaker 3: I think he was seventeen when they just found out

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Speaker 1: The bottom line is like, yeah, if you know, if

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Speaker 3: Are bad? Bly says, Check with your lawyer about getting

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: He says. People don't like being told they're wrong, especially

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Speaker 1: He just kept adding more and more ridiculous information.

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Speaker 3: He's like, and Dan, she cheated with the president. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and they're like, what which which one?

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Speaker 1: All of them? The Homeowners' association, the country, the other countries.

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Speaker 3: And the Prime minister too.

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Speaker 3: I know, it's how did she do it? It's crazy?

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Speaker 3: If you remember, I've been recording every single call he's

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Speaker 3: I only mentioned the threats, but he eventually just threw

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Speaker 1: Come on, my guy. No, you're not my guy.

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Speaker 3: You're not my guy.

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Speaker 3: Dang well, it seems like we've done everything that we can.

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Speaker 3: We got son on your side, he's he knows the truth.

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Speaker 1: That is an absolutely must we must get.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I should have been way earlier, but never too late,

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Speaker 1: And I think we're going to have a call in now.

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Speaker 1: We have an to have some perspective on this story.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Tamara, can you hear us? Can you hear us?

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Speaker 1: Can we hear you? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I know you said, I don't know if you're okay

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Speaker 2: with it. I know you said, you have a whole story,

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Speaker 2: you know, kind of similar to this, this this experience.

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Speaker 2: If you want to share your you know, your spiel

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Speaker 2: Are you related to that story? Let us know?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, I don't know exactly how the story started

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Speaker 5: He banged on the windows and the doors. She yelled

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very scary.

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Speaker 6: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was was there any like intervention from like police

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Speaker 1: I had to call services, I had to call the police.

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Speaker 5: I had to get a lawyer and get cameras for

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's always a good move.

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Speaker 5: And then I had to document everything, which actually it

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Speaker 6: That's really difficult to do.

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Speaker 6: But you know, I thought, when I get through that,

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Speaker 1: hold out for a long time. Hope is always so important.

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Speaker 2: As thank you, thank you for for sharing sharing that

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Speaker 6: The police does did bring it up to the judge

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Speaker 3: Good.

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Speaker 6: So, yeah, I have my piece.

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Speaker 3: Now that's good. I'm glad that you have now.

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Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for sharing your story. We

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Speaker 2: And where are you from?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm from the Netherlands.

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Speaker 2: We'll sort of another story in just a second.

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Speaker 1: My ex best friend ghosted me when I needed her

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Speaker 1: the most.

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Speaker 3: Come back please.

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Speaker 1: The other night, I got an Instagram message and was confused,

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Speaker 1: And we're here to give good advice goofy. But we

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Speaker 1: Hannah and I went to kindergarten together and were friends

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Speaker 1: Hannah was my rock, along with my other friends. At

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Speaker 1: No one way to not get ditched, to promise to

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Speaker 3: Did you not go?

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Speaker 1: Not once?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Went to the after parties?

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Speaker 3: Though I only had one prom, but there's two.

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Speaker 2: You mean morp?

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Speaker 3: I know we had prom.

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Speaker 2: You guys didn't have more.

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Speaker 3: We had more, but we also know we didn't have

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Speaker 1: friends had agreed to a slumber party without me. I

442
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,640
Speaker 1: felt so embarrassed. No goodbye, no sorry. It was even

443
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 1: worse when I had to call my older sister to

444
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,920
Speaker 1: give me a ride home. I can still see her disappointment.

445
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,399
Speaker 1: What's really more on your older sister for not just

446
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 1: like being able to comfort you in a moment of

447
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 1: high school embarrassment? Even worse, the principal walked me to

448
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 1: the car because I had asked him to check if

449
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,159
Speaker 1: my friends had left prompt. When I asked Hannah for

450
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,159
Speaker 1: an explanation at school, all she could say was she

451
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 1: was tired. Quote, you've become toxic with your sadness. Every

452
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 1: day you cry and whine about missing her. I loved

453
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,199
Speaker 1: your mom too, but you make it so hard to

454
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 1: be around you. Whoa. And that's someone exposing themselves as

455
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 1: not your real friend, dude, whoa? Whoa.

456
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 3: That's like even if you're like wow, this person, it's

457
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,919
Speaker 3: like very hard to comfort them. Their grief is just

458
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 3: like so much for me and I don't know how

459
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 3: to handle it. Why would you ever say that?

460
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's mostly an inside thought, and.

461
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 3: That's like, oh, you know, it's really tough.

462
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 1: There is something to like, it is a strain to

463
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,400
Speaker 1: be like in a constant state of grieving with someone

464
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 1: else is.

465
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,679
Speaker 3: But that's not how you express that?

466
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 1: No, because they're also teenagers. You know, they're like seventeen

467
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 1: in this, So it's like.

468
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 3: I just can't imagine, like ever as a seventeen year old. Yeah,

469
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 3: seeing a friend grieving and still having a tough time

470
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 3: with it. Yeah, saying that.

471
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 1: At seventeen you know that, Yeah, you're like emotionally devastating

472
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: by saying that. Yeah. I honestly could not breathe after

473
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: hearing that. How does a kid respond? I ended high

474
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: school with no friends, and it wasn't made easier by

475
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: the fact that she never told her mom. On graduation day,

476
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: Hannah's mom gave me flowers and thank me for being

477
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: her daughter's friend.

478
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 3: Oof.

479
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 1: I told her the truth about prom and walked away

480
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 1: before I began to cry. I left all those things

481
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: behind me, and now she has the audacity, almost ten

482
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: years later, to try to patch things up. I can't,

483
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: at least I don't think I can. We spent so

484
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 1: much of my childhood together that I just don't know.

485
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: She looks like she's done well for herself, so maybe

486
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: she's changed. But I was really hurt, and I don't

487
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: think I've recovered from it. Any advice leaves and there

488
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: are some relevant comments here.

489
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 3: I don't think you owe her anything. I think there

490
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 3: is a chance that she does genuinely want to apologize

491
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 3: and want to, you know, make up for what she

492
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 3: said and what she did in your senior year, because yeah,

493
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 3: she shouldn't have said that. She should have know him

494
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 3: better at seventeen, but she was seventeen and maybe has

495
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 3: since learned.

496
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 1: You learn a lot in the ten years between seven

497
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: seventeen and twenty seven.

498
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

499
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 1: One thing about apologies is like, even if someone wants

500
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: to give you one and you can receive.

501
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 3: It and you don't, it doesn't have to mean anything.

502
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 1: You don't have to accept it. No, you can say, well,

503
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you said that, I appreciate it. You

504
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: don't have to then rekindle a friendship with this person.

505
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 3: Even if you decide to go meet her, that doesn't

506
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 3: mean you have to be friends with her. It can

507
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 3: be like a one and done meeting and you can.

508
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 1: Let her know. You can be like, what you did

509
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: was actually so devastating. I really don't want to, you know,

510
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 1: have you back in my life, But I'm glad you

511
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: now realize how devastating it was.

512
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 3: And it's whatever your like if you don't want to

513
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 3: do that, if you want to do that, if you

514
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 3: eventually want to be friends. It's like whatever you're comfortable with.

515
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: And there are some comments here, e ling Elcho, not

516
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: the a hole. She abandoned you when you needed her

517
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: most and said cruel stuff that's stuck with you for years.

518
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: You don't owe her closure or a reunion. If reconnecting

519
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: hurts more than it helps, you have every right to

520
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: keep that door closed. Opie responds, I think the only

521
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: reason I would ever want to talk to her again

522
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: is to see if her mom is okay. Hannah's mom

523
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 1: had a stroke roughly a year ago and hasn't gotten

524
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: much better, at least I've that's what I've heard. Professional Train,

525
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,479
Speaker 1: one of an eight, says, not the a hole doesn't

526
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 1: sound like the message was an apology. Unless the message

527
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,239
Speaker 1: was a complete apology showing self reflection and with no

528
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: obligation on you to give her closure, don't open the

529
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: door to your heart. She will hurt you again. Opie says.

530
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: It was just a short hello, a gift from friends

531
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: of Joey saying how you doing and asking if i'd

532
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: be up for lunch to talk.

533
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 2: Oh man, we haven't talked in ten years, and that's

534
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 2: how we're gonna break the ACP.

535
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 3: I haven't talked in ten years. The last thing she

536
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 3: said was your grief is too much. Get over your

537
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 3: mom's passing. And then the first thing she says after all.

538
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: Of that gets see with the how you doing? How

539
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 2: you doing?

540
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: I was doing fine till you sent me that. Yeah

541
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: that doesn't sound very promising. Yeah, yikes.

542
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: They had to rely on little animated short of joy

543
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 2: Well gift.

544
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: What happened to the friend group from high school? As

545
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: far as I know, our original friend group broke up

546
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: after high school because they all felt conflicted regarding everything

547
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: that happened our senior year. I had some friends that

548
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: agreed that my grief was valid. However, the majority of

549
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: them agreed with her. Yikes, and there's an update.

550
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 3: I just can't imagine that conversation.

551
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 7: Uh.

552
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, guys. I feel like, oh, he's valid

553
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 3: and being upset that her mom passed, and then everyone's.

554
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: Like nah, yeah, but it's like, uh, she's such a downer,

555
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: Like she was so like oh when we were at

556
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: Brad Stevens party, like she was just crying by herself,

557
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: at the in the corner. Well, everyone else is drinking,

558
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: Sody pop get her room? Yeah, come on gross.

559
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

560
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: Update six days later, I made a post about a

561
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: week ago regarding an old best friend, Hannah, trying to

562
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: make contact with me. We were close growing up, but

563
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: after losing my mom at seventeen, we had issues. I

564
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: was apparently too much to deal with because my grief

565
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: was quote unquote toxic and I would cry too much

566
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: for anything. The post was removed, but I was hoping

567
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: to give an update since people want to feedback on

568
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: how to approach the situation. Hannah messaged me Friday again,

569
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: asking if we could meet at the local mall food

570
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: court on Saturday, since we used to hang out there

571
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: all the time. I thought I had to go to

572
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: the mall on the weekend anyway to pick up an order,

573
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 1: so I might as well hear her. Out of all

574
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: the hypothetical scenarios my anxiety and stress had imagined, I

575
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: didn't expect her to actually be there. Worst of all,

576
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: with Christy, another one of my friends from school who

577
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: had been cold after my mom's passing, I hesitated to

578
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: approach the table once I saw them together. We were

579
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: all older now which makes sense. Yeah, I'd be cautious too.

580
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: It's like you're being ganged up on now.

581
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 3: And she didn't tell you. She said, how you doing

582
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: want to go get lunch? And then she's showing up

583
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 3: with the posse.

584
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, clearly she just thinks that this is

585
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: all like a, oh, it's in the past, so you

586
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: don't really care about that anymore, right because we were

587
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: just kids.

588
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 3: Well even at seventeen, she didn't see how much of

589
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 3: a life changing event this was for a piece. So clearly,

590
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 3: if this is how she's approaching it now that that

591
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 3: has not changed.

592
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: I gave myself a hypothetical thirty minutes. Only thirty minutes

593
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: and I never have to see their faces again. I

594
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: approached the table. We sat down and talked. Hannah talked

595
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: a lot. Apparently, our old high school teacher who ran

596
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: the club we were all in together, wanted to do

597
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: a reunion. She couldn't get in contact with everyone and

598
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,719
Speaker 1: was curious if Hannah wouldn't mind sharing my info. Christie

599
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: mentioned that I was the only one she couldn't contact.

600
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: That's it. I anticipated some kind of catharsis to come,

601
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,479
Speaker 1: but all I felt was rage. I broke. I mentioned

602
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: what happened after my mom. I mentioned how lonely I

603
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: felt after being ignored and called annoying for grieving. I

604
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: mentioned how it took me so long to trust again

605
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: after the people I considered my friends just left me,

606
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: that I would come home to an empty house after

607
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: school instead of my mom cooking dinner or talking to me.

608
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: And both Hannah and Christie were quiet while I stood

609
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: there at the point of tears. I can't even remember

610
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: standing up. I felt childish crying, but seriously, quote, you

611
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 1: send me a message wanting to meet to make amends,

612
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: just to tell me that you're only doing this because

613
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: a random teacher we sat in class with for thirty

614
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: minutes every Friday told you to. I composed myself. I

615
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: wasn't going to have a mental breakdown in the middle

616
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,479
Speaker 1: of a food court. I needed you then, and I

617
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: don't need this now. Hannah' shut down and I could

618
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: tell my words had affected her. CHRISTI just got mad

619
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: and said there was no point in finding me, and

620
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: this proved it.

621
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: I don't even want you here, Christy. You aren't even

622
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 3: supposed to be here. Christie, Christy, You're not go I'm

623
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 3: part of this, Christy, go scram Christy. Clean your room,

624
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:46,719
Speaker 3: Clean your room, Christy.

625
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: Christy you wake up, Christy, you wake up.

626
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: Come on, Christy, I don't like this. We've got a

627
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: little more Christie, wake up. We've got a little more

628
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: story here. I think this was a perfectly justified crash

629
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: out like Hannah, maybe got them asage a little bit.

630
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 3: I also think maybe needed like a lot of people

631
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: were saying, don't even meet up with it, blah blah blah.

632
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: I honestly think maybe oh he needed this moment of

633
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: like Catharsis to be like, I don't need you anymore.

634
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 3: You betrayed me, you left.

635
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: Me so long, couldn't care less about reunion with you

636
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: for people, you all abandoned me when I needed you.

637
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

638
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Christie's definitely got the well. It looks like

639
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: someone's still a buzzkill.

640
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 3: It's like Kevin's still a lame o.

641
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: Hardest thing for people to do is to admit that

642
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: they were wrong. Yeah, Christy chalked up everything that happened

643
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: in school to kids being kids. Okay, I said, I

644
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: grabbed my things, lightly, excused myself and left. I cried

645
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: once I made it back to my car. They have changed,

646
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: but it's clear they haven't changed how they felt about

647
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: how they treated me. Never once did they say sorry.

648
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: They clearly expected me to just get over it. Again.

649
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: Sorry for the long post, but I hope putting this

650
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: out there gives me the clarity I needed. Thank you

651
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: for listening, and we have some more comments. This guy

652
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: is awesome, says You should rea reach out to the

653
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: teacher and tell them what happened back then and now

654
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's needed, but let's keep going.

655
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: Then let them know that's why you won't attend Opie

656
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: says the club teacher. Miss Diaz was actually aware of

657
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: the situation at the time. I had been telling her

658
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: and actually had been attending the club only for events,

659
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: but never activities. She accommodated me. I would like to

660
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Speaker 1: get back to her to express my appreciation for her comment.

661
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: What was the point of setting up a meeting that

662
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: crap could have been in a text message comment to

663
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Speaker 1: total speculation. But I wonder if they thought she would

664
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Speaker 1: be over it and accept that they were just kids

665
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: and make everything go back the way it was. Yeah,

666
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: clearly that is the case. Yeah, judging by the reactions

667
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: to op telling them off. They know they were wrong

668
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: and did something messed up, but still haven't accepted any accountability.

669
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Speaker 1: Comment three says, I can understand both sides. I lost

670
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: my dad and didn't have time to grieve because someone

671
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: has to be present and do stuff, and it helped

672
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: me in some ways. I didn't even remember what was

673
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: happening in the first few days because I was extremely busy,

674
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: but after that I was just fine on the outside.

675
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: For work and for friends, I do talk about him,

676
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: but without crying. My mom had it different. She feels

677
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: more open and she wants to cry together and talk

678
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: about it in such details that people don't need to know.

679
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: She became surprisingly religious. For a few months. Everything was

680
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: about her grief and it was really hard on people

681
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: around her. I did suggest therapy multiple times, but her

682
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: answer was always I don't need therapy. I have family,

683
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: and I can't talk about it with strangers. Family can

684
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: only take so much. Family can't cry all the time,

685
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: and it's became insufferable for them at some point, and

686
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: I could understand that, and that's the end of that story.

687
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: Grief is a heavy burden, and it can be a

688
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: burden for the people around you. And it's something that

689
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: a counseling can be really helpful for.

690
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 3: But regardless of that, yeah, you never say what they said,

691
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 3: not the.

692
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: Way they said it. Yeah, you can express that in

693
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: a way that's not Yes, you can have the wherewithal

694
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,239
Speaker 1: at seventeen to not just be a mean girl about it.

695
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: I think they could say like, hey, like I don't

696
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 3: feel like I'm able to give you everything you need,

697
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 3: or even going to a parent or a guidance counselor

698
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: and saying, hey, my friend is going through this thing.

699
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: I don't really know how to deal with it.

700
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: What do you think, which is like making it like

701
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: a even just asking ope, being like, hey, so we

702
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: know that you're going through a lot of pain right now,

703
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: what do you want from us? Because it is, you know,

704
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: hard to be there all the time when this is

705
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: like so all encompassing. Yeah, and just you know, coming

706
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: from a place of love and care and just being like, hey,

707
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: this is putting a strain on things and it's not

708
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: fair that it is, but it's just the reality of

709
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 1: the situation. But man, it's hard to expect that from

710
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: seventeen year olds.

711
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 3: Is super hard.

712
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: But hey, the seventeen year olds today are smarter than ever.

713
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: I think. I think they're like, oh, smarter than ever

714
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: and also more brain rotten than ever. But that's not

715
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: their fault.

716
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 3: No TikTok is giving them all of the therapy talk

717
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 3: but also of the brain rot.

718
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: It's just the full spectrum.

719
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what's really funny right now.

720
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 3: What.

721
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: Ian Watson just joined the live and said, Hie Dakota, Ian.

722
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Hi Ian, No way, Wow, it's an

723
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: old friend of ours. That's crazy.

724
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 3: What a coincidental story for that.

725
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the story was about old friends. That's crazy.

726
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: I fear we must say goodbye to our friends.

727
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: No one wants to talk to us about that story.

728
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, do we want to do a call in on

729
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: you know?

730
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 3: Uh, does anyone have it?

731
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? I can do a call in on friends lost?

732
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, high school's a weird time. I had a

733
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: really good friend. Yeah, just a lot. I can't even

734
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: talk about it right now. There's a lot of stuff happened.

735
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: I'd have to coalesce that down. But we did kind

736
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: of reconnect at one point, and it was just, you know,

737
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: things just kind of I don't know, there's a lot,

738
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: there are a lot of elements to it. It did

739
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: torture me for a long time until I just realized

740
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: that it kind of was. I accepted that it was

741
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: kind of over and I had to move along.

742
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: Friendships are not always forever.

743
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: Hey, that's not Jeffrey Dee Morgan. That's smiley face.

744
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 6: Hi.

745
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 4: So I have some insight on a story that is

746
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 4: similar to this.

747
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 7: I came to Canada to study, so.

748
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 4: That's where I live right now, and I met a

749
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 4: girl from now and she like approached me first, and

750
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 4: we started being friends.

751
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 7: Right on my first year.

752
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 8: So up on the five month mark four, she started

753
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 8: to get really bad on her mental health, like suicidal

754
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 8: type thing.

755
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 4: Like at some point, I think at the five month mark,

756
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 4: it was my birthday and she would like send me

757
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 4: pictures of her cutting her salt.

758
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: WHOA, that's an extremely difficult situation to be in.

759
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, so she would send me like things like, oh, yeah,

760
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 4: I ordered this like knife on Amazon to you know.

761
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think at that point, you just got to

762
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: reach out to their you know, if they have their

763
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: family or any if you're in school, like reaching out

764
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: to you know, the administration. Yeah, yeah, the guy like

765
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: counselors and stuff within the school because yeah, that's that's

766
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: like a that's a crisis.

767
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, how did you deal with that?

768
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 7: Okay, So the thing is, like she started going to therapy.

769
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 4: I did not know her family because she didn't have

770
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 4: a good relationship with them because well, you know, her

771
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 4: family met the Asian stereotype type family, so they was

772
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 4: just like worried about her performance in school, but not

773
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 4: her mental health or anything else. So I reach out

774
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 4: to professors like on small classes we had together, and I'm.

775
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 9: Concerned about her, and like she would go to therapy,

776
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 9: but she wouldn't give me her psychiatrist's phone number because

777
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 9: she would go but not take the medication or just

778
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 9: don't want it to go and like gave up on it.

779
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 7: But she would put all the weight on it of

780
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 7: it on me. So yeah, I talked to her multiple

781
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 7: times and I was just like, please go to therapy.

782
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 7: I cannot help you with this.

783
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 4: I don't have the tool to help you with this

784
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 4: because I'm not a professional.

785
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 7: I'm not a therapist or anything.

786
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, but at some point I had like history with

787
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 4: mental health myself in the past, and she was dragging

788
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 4: me to this whole with her, like back into the

789
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 4: bad mental health situation.

790
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 9: Sure, at some point I couldn't like go with it anymore,

791
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 9: even though I like reach out for advisors and advisors

792
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 9: who are like, oh, we're going to communicate.

793
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 7: With her whatever.

794
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm sorry, I told you multiple times

795
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 4: that I cannot like keep receiving these type.

796
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 7: Of pictures or stuff like I can't.

797
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm just like I need to distance myself

798
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 4: from you.

799
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there comes a point where you kind

800
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: of have to protect yourself. You got to put your own,

801
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: you know, mental health above, you know, Hey, you got

802
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: to put your your own mental health first.

803
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, April says love yourself and protect yourself and yeah

804
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: in the comments there.

805
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially when you've like taken the steps to try

806
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: to be there, and then it just kind of becomes weaponized.

807
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 9: You know.

808
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 1: Yes, mental health is very.

809
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: Very different situation from the girl in this story who

810
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 3: seemingly like approached it all wrong, whereas you, you know,

811
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 3: try to help, try to get her like more professional help,

812
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: and then she was taking advantage of that.

813
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 4: So yeah, I had like more rep in the past,

814
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 4: so I guess that helps. But yeah, the good things

815
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 4: that like a year later, she left Canada and.

816
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 7: She texted me.

817
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 4: She's like, oh, I wanted do to know that I'm

818
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 4: currently in Australia closer to my family.

819
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 7: I'm doing great. I got accepted to I don't know

820
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 7: what university.

821
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: That's that's good that she reach. I was like, I

822
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: just yeah, do it all right, Yeah.

823
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 7: Just like I'm happy for you. I'm glad that you're.

824
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 6: Okay to Yeah.

825
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: That's all you can do. You can love, you can

826
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 2: love for a far Yeah.

827
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for sharing your story and

828
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 3: kind of giving us like that other perspective of when

829
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,479
Speaker 3: grief is too much for like one person who doesn't

830
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 3: have like professional tools to help. Yeah.

831
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 4: So I was like, on the other side of the story,

832
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 4: it's not related to grief, but still I think that

833
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 4: the approach you take is really important of how like, yeah,

834
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 4: wonderful person deals with it.

835
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Thank you so much. And yeah,

836
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: where are you from. We're doing international today.

837
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I live in Vancouver, Canada and I'm from Chile.

838
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: Oh nice, from Chile to the coup. Thank you so much. Guys.

839
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Speaker 1: Sam. Here we're gonna get back to the stories, but

840
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Speaker 3: My boyfriend spent the night at his ex's house.

842
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Speaker 1: Well, your house is about to be his ex's house too,

843
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: I would assume trigger.

844
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Speaker 3: Warning for unwanted forceful advances. My boyfriend, twenty eight male

845
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 3: and his ex were together on and off for three years,

846
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 3: and they broke up officially around this time last year. I,

847
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 3: twenty five female, am still friends with one of my exes,

848
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 3: so I didn't really think anything of it when he

849
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 3: told me he was still friends with one of his.

850
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Speaker 3: By the way, this comes from Yoda Yodi, and if

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853
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: give good advice. Goofly. But we don't have all the answers.

854
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 3: We only know what we'd do, So let us know

855
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 3: what you would do in the comments, and OP says

856
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: they don't hang out alone. They only hang out with

857
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: their close knit group of friends. I've met them all

858
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 3: and they're really nice people. I've never had any reason

859
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 3: to doubt anything. He's told me he has been cheated

860
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 3: on by this particular X, and it really shook him up.

861
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 3: Otherwise they'd probably still be together. I don't think he

862
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: would ever cheat on me or anyone else. He's just

863
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: not coded that way. That said, he and I were

864
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: supposed to hang out last night after work, but I

865
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 3: couldn't get a hold of him. His phone was either

866
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Speaker 3: turned off or the battery was passed away. Either way,

867
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 3: my night was put on hold for hours until I

868
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 3: finally decided to just eat out by myself. I was

869
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: already dressed and ready to go, so I left, grabbed

870
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Speaker 3: some flu and came home to find zero texts or

871
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 3: calls from him. I had left my phone at home

872
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 3: by accident. He didn't get back to me, nor did

873
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 3: he stop by the apartment, according to my roommate. On

874
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 3: a whim, I popped onto Instagram to see what he

875
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: was doing if he had posted anything that day. I

876
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 3: was partially worried something bad had happened to him, and

877
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 3: partially suspicious. I've never had any reason to feel suspicious

878
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 3: of him before. As I scroll through Instagram, however, I

879
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 3: noticed that his ex had posted something. For whatever reason,

880
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: I follow her and she follows me. The photo was

881
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: taken at his favorite restaurant.

882
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: She took a.

883
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 3: Photo of her dessert, and you could clearly see him

884
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 3: in the background, seated across from her his elbows on

885
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 3: the table.

886
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: Oh, that means he's at attention. Elbows on the table,

887
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: he's leaning forward.

888
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: He also means he's got no manners. Elbows on the

889
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 3: table during dinner.

890
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: Ooh, he's a little tired.

891
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 1: I don't know, mannerless.

892
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 3: She made the post hours before he and I were

893
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 3: supposed to hang out. In the image description, she mentions

894
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 3: having a movie night dot dot dot with him. One

895
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: of their friends whom I've grown close to, commented with

896
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 3: a question mark. There was no reply. I was kind

897
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 3: of numb at that point. I wasn't sure what it meant,

898
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 3: but I knew he was doing something he shouldn't have been,

899
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: and that he had blown me off in the process. Again,

900
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 3: this was completely unlike him. It could have been that

901
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 3: he's simply for got our plans. We organized it a

902
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 3: week prior, which is long enough to forget. That said,

903
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,479
Speaker 3: I'm his girlfriend, you should remember. You should at least

904
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: make sure he's reachable. I went to bed last night

905
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 3: feeling sick with worry, and when I woke up this morning,

906
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 3: I found five texts from him saying the following, Hey, sorry,

907
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 3: I forgot we had plans. Kathy and I marathon Westworld,

908
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 3: and I fell asleep, my phone passed away. I'm an idiot.

909
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 3: Please forgive me.

910
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: You marathon to Westward, Kathy's the X.

911
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: You're marathoning HBO television with your X and West World

912
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: marathoning any series?

913
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 3: Do you know how many naked ladies are in West World?

914
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: Do you like you have an exact count of the

915
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: naked ladies in any given show.

916
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: I've only seen the first season of Westworld.

917
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: My magician's talent is knowing all of the nudie people

918
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: in every single show, and this show.

919
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: Now do your eye flutter? Do your eye flutter?

920
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 3: Thirty? How about I pick you up tonight and we

921
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 3: go to that new sushi place on Maine, just you

922
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: and I. I love you. I don't really know what

923
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: to think. He has always made a point to never

924
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 3: hang out with her alone. Westworld can't wait, o Pee.

925
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: I'm not doing a single thing until I finish all

926
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: of Westworld with my ex girlfriend.

927
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 3: He hasn't made and he promises to me in explicit words,

928
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 3: But when he and I first got together, he told

929
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 3: me things between him and Kathy were completely finished and

930
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 3: that he had no desire to hang out with her alone.

931
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: Anymore. To be fair, it really could just be because

932
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: the first season of West World is that good.

933
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 3: It's pretty good.

934
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: She'd be like every time I wanted to, I was like,

935
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: this is the last episode, and it was so good.

936
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: I hadn't watched that exclud it stop, he said. The

937
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 3: only reason they still occasionally see each other is because

938
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 3: they're part of the same social circle. It's the same

939
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: with my ex and me, except I've never hung out

940
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 3: with him one on one post breakup, and I don't

941
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 3: plan on it. I replied, asking if anything happened between them,

942
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 3: and he said, no, of course not. I would never

943
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: do that to you. But he would make himself unavailable

944
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: for hours, hours without even thinking to say hi to

945
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 3: me all day. Our plans were for eight o'clock. Unless

946
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 3: he's at a rough day at work, he usually stays

947
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 3: up much later than that, except he didn't have work yesterday,

948
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 3: so I don't understand how he would magically fall asleep

949
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 3: so early in the night. I trust him, but at

950
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 3: the same time, I feel betrayed and I need advice.

951
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 3: And there are some relevant comments, But what do you think.

952
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: I think any universe in which your current partner that

953
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: had an on again off again thing with their X

954
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 1: for three years, then spends the night without telling you

955
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: and then tries to be like, oh, yeah, we just

956
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: were just watching West World. That's like, hey, you, that's

957
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: you've You've used all three strikes at the same time,

958
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: and really.

959
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 3: Regardless of whether or not you cheated, which it seems like,

960
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 3: oh he does not, he think think he cheated, so

961
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 3: we're going to operate on that. He still completely betrayed

962
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 3: your trust. Like you guys were on the same page

963
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: about hanging out with the X alone, clear that he,

964
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 3: you know, violated your agreement.

965
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: It just speaks to some level of like intention or

966
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: like yeah, I don't know, like it's just not it's

967
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: just weird. Yeah, Like I'm I've I maintained like a

968
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: positive relationship with like some of my exes. But I

969
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: would never be like, oh, yeah, I spent the night

970
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: at my ex's place and we watched Westworld all night

971
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: and I didn't text you and I forgot oh oops,

972
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: let's go get sushi.

973
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, when we had planned.

974
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the kicker.

975
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 3: They already had plans together. So it wasn't even just

976
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: that he spent the night of this X. He did

977
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: it instead of with his girlfriend. Yeah relevant comments. Uh

978
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 3: Suki says, I don't believe a word of his explanation.

979
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 3: He has no desire to hang out with her alone anymore,

980
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 3: and yet that's exactly what he did. He went on

981
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 3: a date with his X and slept over at her

982
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 3: place on exceptable, oh P says exactly. Suki says, what

983
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: do you think you're gonna do? Opie says, I'm meeting

984
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 3: up with him right now. I just want to talk

985
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: to him in person, engage the situation for my own sanity.

986
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: Right now, it looks bad. Unless he has superpowers, I

987
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 3: can't see him giving me a valid reason for happened.

988
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 3: Spending the night with his X, switching his phone off

989
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 3: and neglecting to contact me until the next day. No,

990
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: that's not our relationships work. Onion Princess says, Kathy left

991
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 3: his elbows in the picture on purpose. She knows what's up.

992
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: Op says, good things. She's petty, or else I'd never

993
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 3: have realized where he was. Joway says, what was his explanation?

994
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 3: Oh P says he said he genuinely forgot we were

995
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: supposed to hang out and didn't go into the evening

996
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: thinking he was going to cheat, but he did.

997
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course he did spend the night with your ex.

998
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: Oh you spent the night with your.

999
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: Ex alone, all alone, all alone? If it was like

1000
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: with a group of people.

1001
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: M hm, so bad. No, he's admitting. Oh that's why

1002
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 3: I'm shocked, because we just got the admitting in a comment.

1003
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: Oh wow, but he did.

1004
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 3: Then he cried in front of me, begging for forgiveness.

1005
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 3: I promptly gathered my stuff and left, blocking and deleting

1006
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 3: him from my phone. It took me a good hour

1007
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 3: to get the truth out of him. So, yeah, he

1008
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: cheated for sure.

1009
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: Well you're the one with the superpowers. Ope, it took,

1010
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: and you had an hour long like police interrogation. You

1011
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: cracked him.

1012
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: Mm hm.

1013
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 2: You were a good cup, then bad cup.

1014
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 3: Glimmering Girl says, shame on him for wasting an hour

1015
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 3: more of your time to pull it out of him.

1016
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 3: Glad you got the truth now. You may feel numb

1017
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 3: right now, but don't be surprised if the feelings catch

1018
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: up later. And Op says, thanks. This is the first

1019
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 3: time someone has ever cheated on me, so I'm kind

1020
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: of numb at the moment. Probably when I have to

1021
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 3: go to my brother's wedding alone this Saturday. Yikes, And

1022
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 3: there is an update ten days later. We're gonna get

1023
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 3: into that because he cheated on you, so there's really

1024
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 3: nothing else to say about that.

1025
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: Leave him that you can always automatically assume that's what happened. Yeah, honestly,

1026
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: and if it didn't, it's like, well, we're anyway, it's

1027
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: still okay. What on earth is wrong with you thinking

1028
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: that that is in any way, shape or form.

1029
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 2: Okay, he doesn't deserve to binge Westworld.

1030
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 3: I hope that you get locked out of your account.

1031
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: Sam here og host. We're gonna get back to these stories.

1032
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,640
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1033
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Speaker 6: First.

1034
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 3: Ten days later. I did not think I'd be posting

1035
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 3: an update, but so much had happened. My ex boyfriend

1036
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 3: did cheat on me with Kathy, his ex, and I

1037
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 3: did break up with him for a few days, he

1038
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: left me alone. Then last weekend, on the day of

1039
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 3: my brother's wedding, No, he decided it was wise to

1040
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 3: crash the reception. Why he showed up in a full suit,

1041
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 3: made nice with some extended family of mine, and sought

1042
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 3: me out as I slipped away to use the bathroom.

1043
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 3: You won't believe how shocked and unsettled I was. I

1044
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 3: had blocked and deleted him from everything when I broke up,

1045
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 3: So I guess this was a last ditch effort. Why

1046
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 3: he thought crashing my brother's wedding was a good idea,

1047
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 3: I have no clue. Regardless, I immediately told him to

1048
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 3: leave or I would tell the groomsman to escort him out.

1049
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: He didn't seem phased. He just grabbed my arms and said, clearly,

1050
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 3: I can't survive without you. Seems like you were handling

1051
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: Westworld just fine. He looked me in the eyes and

1052
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 3: held on so tight it hurts. Oh my goodness. I

1053
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 3: went from unsettled to flat out scared. I told him

1054
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 3: I had nothing to say and that he needed help,

1055
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 3: but he acted like he couldn't hear me. He leaned

1056
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 3: in as if to kiss me, and when I turned

1057
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 3: my head away, he broke down, crying, full on sobbing

1058
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 3: in the middle of the hallway. One of the groomsmen

1059
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 3: came around, recognized him, assessed the situation, and peeled him off.

1060
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 3: He didn't call the police. He said, listen, man, I've

1061
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 3: been there, but you can't do this. You gotta go

1062
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 3: home for whatever he's in My ex listened. He left

1063
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 3: in a cab A couple of minutes later. I explained

1064
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 3: the situation to the groomsmen in detail. We decided to

1065
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 3: tell my brother after the fact so as not to

1066
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: ruin the day. Fast forward to last night. A week later.

1067
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 3: I was at home talking to my roommate when I

1068
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 3: got a call from an unknown number. It wasn't him,

1069
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 3: It was Kathy, the girl he cheated with. Apparently after

1070
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: I broke up with him, they got back together.

1071
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 1: Yoicks.

1072
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 3: She called to confirm that he had crashed my brother's wedding.

1073
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 3: I politely asked her not to contact me again. She

1074
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 3: then screamed, called me names, accusing me of cheating with him. Girl, girl,

1075
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 3: take a look at the mirror.

1076
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: Girl, Come on, go watch season two of Westward?

1077
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 2: How dare you cheat with my ex boyfriends? Wait, he's

1078
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: my boyfriend.

1079
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 3: It doesn't even make sense.

1080
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 2: It doesn't even make sense.

1081
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: And insulting me. I have no idea what he told her,

1082
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: but nothing happened between us. At the wedding, he tried

1083
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 3: to kiss me, I didn't accept it, and he got

1084
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 3: kicked out. There is a little bit left to this story.

1085
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 3: Any final thoughts the lock and move on. Yep, absolutely, that's.

1086
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: The whole and if you need its to do if he.

1087
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 3: Keeps doing that, if he keeps showing up at places

1088
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 3: you don't want him out restraining her, but uh, there

1089
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 3: is a little bit left. People are now saying she's

1090
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 3: pregnant with his kid. It's a whole bunch of crazy

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Speaker 3: and I'm glad I don't have to deal with it anymore.

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Speaker 3: The fact that he convinced me he was decent for

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00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 3: five straight months is embarrassing. I can empathize with him

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00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 3: in his bad place, but this is too much. I'm

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00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: got to get tested soon, just in case, and hopefully

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Speaker 3: I can put this relationship behind me. And final comments

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00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 3: when asked about the groomsman who saved her, Oh, he

1098
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 3: says is single and we may or may not have

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Speaker 3: dance together most of the night.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, before.

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Speaker 3: And after my ex crash the party. Lol. That said,

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Speaker 3: I'm not looking at the moment. Let's just say I

1103
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 3: need a breather. Sentiat Cactus says, well, breaks can be

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Speaker 3: the best, but as my mother always told me, don't

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00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 3: throw away something if it tries to organically grow. I mean,

1106
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 3: you're making the right move, not jumping into anything. But

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00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 3: don't work against it either. Ohp says true. He asked

1108
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 3: if I want to grab brunch next Sunday. My roommate

1109
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 3: thinks I should get my head out of my button.

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Speaker 4: Go.

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Speaker 3: I want to, I really do. But I've only been

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Speaker 3: single for a week and a half of lol. I

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Speaker 3: was gonna give it a few months at least.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And that's the end of that story. Always be careful

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Speaker 3: about jumping into things. But I don't know, just be careful. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, he you know, not doing anything wrong. It's

1118
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Speaker 3: just like, is your heart ready? But that's the end

1119
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 3: of that story, folks. And we've got some comments from

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Speaker 3: a past video that we're going to read. Oh boy,

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Speaker 3: these come from the video My disabled mom keeps criticizing

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Speaker 3: my wife. And this was posted September sixteenth, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: November sixteenth, tldrs's Opie's mom found religion after his dad died,

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Speaker 3: which helped her stop drinking, but turned her into a

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Speaker 3: judgmental nightmare. She kept attacking Opie's wife about not taking

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Speaker 3: the kids to church, made his wife cry at their

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00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 3: son baseball game, and demanded they skip Mother's Day to

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Speaker 3: attend her church instead. When Mom told his wife to

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Speaker 3: grow a spine and threatened to cut off all family

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Speaker 3: time unless they brought the kids to church, Opie finally

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00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 3: had enough. Mom ended up disowning him when he refused

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Speaker 3: to cave to her demands. But now Opie doesn't know

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Speaker 3: how to tell his kids that Grandma won't be around anymore.

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Speaker 3: If you're curious to know how the full story goes,

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Speaker 3: you can go watch the full.

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Speaker 2: Video well comment number one by acoustic televisions. If she

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Speaker 2: wanted them saved, then she can pray for them. If

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Speaker 2: her God is right, then they will be saved on

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Speaker 2: the basis of them being good people and or asking

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Speaker 2: for forgiveness. You cannot make them be saved. A God

1141
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: that doesn't save based on trivial matters is no God

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Speaker 2: I want to worship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, I mean I think, yeah, I think she

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00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 3: was just really involved in her church to a point

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Speaker 3: where she sacrificed a lot of her family familiar relationships.

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Speaker 2: Oh I do remember, I do remember she.

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00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 3: Was and she was like, you have to go to church,

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Speaker 3: and you have to skip Mother's Day to go to

1149
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 3: my church for Mother's Day's mass.

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00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 2: I remember these were Yeah, it was like we are what.

1151
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 3: And like that's your choice, that's her choice if she

1152
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: wants to be that you know, involved to that extent.

1153
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 3: But you are going to lose family members that way

1154
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 3: if you make it like your whole life and ignore

1155
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 3: the relationships that you have.

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Speaker 2: I have another comment here com remember two from Justice

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Speaker 2: for Us All seventy thirty eight. Surprise, no one thought

1158
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: about the church intentionally making OPI's moms alienate her support system.

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00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 2: She's especially vulnerable considering her age and medical needs, not

1160
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: saying they had more options. But that's how cults work,

1161
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: and that's coming from a Christian. When I meet people

1162
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 2: like this, they usually stop because I'm quick to ask

1163
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 2: where they're getting their views from the Bible, and they

1164
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 2: refute it with the same book. But I've been Christian

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Speaker 2: all my life. I hope I never have to deal

1166
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Speaker 2: with that situation with my family.

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Speaker 3: I have family members who are also very religious, and

1168
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 3: we have differing in reviews and it can be difficult.

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Speaker 2: And another comment by Kate Marsh thirty seven to seventy four.

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Speaker 2: I love that the church is boycotting Mother's Day by

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Speaker 2: having a Mother's Day brunch to honor mothers. Yeah, my

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Speaker 2: church always celebrated mothers and non mothers who served others

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Speaker 2: in motherly ways.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's just it's just I mean I remember the story,

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00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 3: and it was the whole thing about like they said

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Speaker 3: something about having a Mother's Day was selfish.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like that was what she wanted to do.

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00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but they wanted to have a Mother's Day

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Speaker 3: mask I remember.

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Speaker 2: We were like irony, Yeah.

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00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 3: The irony of like the mother Mary being one of

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Speaker 3: the most important figures in the Bible, and you're like,

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Speaker 3: you're not going to celebrate mothers of the day.

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Speaker 2: And the last comment here by no my Spring fifty

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Speaker 2: one oh five. The church needs to own up to

1186
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 2: why they boycotted Mother's Day. They boycotted Mother's Day because

1187
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Speaker 2: they don't get paid if those people aren't in their seats.

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Speaker 3: But that's the end of those comments and the end

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Speaker 3: of this episode. So if you love us, make sure

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Speaker 3: to subscribe.

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