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Speaker 1: guys enjoyed that last interview with Rob O'Neil. It seems

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Speaker 1: it out already. We got into some really important stuff

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Speaker 1: Rob made a pretty interesting point where he was like,

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Speaker 1: California is lowbrow. Northern California's highbrow. That's really the only difference.

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00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 1: Oh that's the North South divide. Wow. Yeah, but I'll

427
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: tell you. Um, it's like you got Rancid and Green

428
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: Day both were from up here. That and Rancid especially

429
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: is kind of like real kind of street level pup rock,

430
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, high level players, but street level latitude. But um, yeah,

431
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: that to me, that seems to be the biggest difference.

432
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: It's kind of like Southern California's low brown, Northern California's highbrow,

433
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: and they both pumping their chests over it. You've done

434
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: a pretty insane amount of touring in the past couple

435
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: of years, that's and like all over the globe, I mean,

436
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 1: from Spain into Cuba, and like, how much of a

437
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: shock is it to you for you to go to

438
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: some of these countries and see like that there were

439
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: Moans still have this giant following and they just want

440
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: to hear those songs from a guy who played with them. Yeah,

441
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: it's um, it's it's a really strange thing, man. It

442
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: seems like the Ramons kind of found their way into

443
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: every little dark corner in every little country. And I mean,

444
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 1: like you said, you know, we went to Cuba, I've

445
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: been to every little tiny I've played more towns in

446
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: Brazil than any other international lotist except one dude from

447
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: England who actually lives over there now. But I mean

448
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: I've been to them as well. And we've been to Japan,

449
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: We've been to Australia, New Zealand, like every little look

450
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: and cranny and everywhere we go there's always Ramans fans

451
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: and it's such a bizarre thing. Man, The most music

452
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: is like a weed, you know what I mean. It's

453
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: it just pops up everywhere, and even in places you

454
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: don't want it to. But but it's it's bizarre. It's

455
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: somehow the Moans came to represent America. Like in all,

456
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: in all these places that had no um no, you know,

457
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: the only two things that knew about America was like,

458
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, Coca Cola and the Ramons. Bizarre. Are there

459
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: any places that you're like, wow, I wish I really

460
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: didn't have to play here, Like you end up in

461
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: like Transnistria or brought the slava or some weird place

462
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: that you're like, oh my god. Yeah, we've been. We've

463
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: been a couple of a couple of places off the

464
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: map where it was rough and uh, and we we

465
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 1: still tour like you know, we talk like the Ramans

466
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: never had a tour bus. They had a band and

467
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: that's exactly how I do it. So like we've gone

468
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: through some like small towns and like Poland where literally

469
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: like we could have gotten to really bad situation and

470
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: not because people were after us, but between the people

471
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: in the crowd, we've been through some pretty hairy situations.

472
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: A you know, it's punk rock. That's just how it is,

473
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: you know. I mean there's a certain element of Dames

474
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: that comes along with going to a punk rock show. Yeah,

475
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: for sure. Man. I think that's so cool though, that

476
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: the Ramones still have this giant legacy. I think some

477
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: of it, obviously, the music is a huge part of it,

478
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: but I even think the logo itself has just become

479
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: so immortal. And I think it's like that with a

480
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: lot of bands. I mean, it's a weird thing now

481
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: because I know you've seen it before, like these thirteen

482
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: year old kids wearing Nirvana shirts, an A, C, D C.

483
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: Def Leppard, they don't even know a song by them,

484
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: Like there's uh, there's a video on Instagram it went

485
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: around of like Kim Kardashian wearing a Morbid Angel shirt,

486
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: Like do you think Kim Kardashian really has ever listened

487
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: to more of an Angel or any death metal or

488
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: it was just like this is a cool looking, badass shirt,

489
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, funny enough. I just went to a

490
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: Justin Timberlay concert with who who? Why are you there? Why?

491
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: Why are there? With with one of your good friend

492
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: of mine? A good friend of mine is actually one

493
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: of the text that he's a tech for one of

494
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: Justin Tipper Blake's guitar players. So, um, So my buddy

495
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: called me up and was like, Hey, I'm gonna come

496
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: into Justin's coming to town. You want to come to

497
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: the show. So I said to my life, I go,

498
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: what you want to go out to the show? She

499
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: was like, show us, So we went. We go to

500
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: the show. He comes out on stage wearing an Acid

501
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: Eather shirt, which is one of the albums that I

502
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: played on, And so we stood there and watched the

503
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: whole show. At the end of the show, as they're

504
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: you know, taking their bows, he comes over to write,

505
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: stands right in front of me and like shakes his

506
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: shirt off at me. You know what I mean, It

507
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:50,719
Speaker 1: gives me the thumbs up. I was like, and you know, listen,

508
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, Justin timber Lake's music fall from what I

509
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: do and everything else. But it's kind of cool when

510
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: another artist from that level kind of gives you like

511
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: the nod like and he's known to be a cool guy.

512
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: I've never heard anybody say anything bad about him, like

513
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: anybody in the business. I've heard a lot of crap

514
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: talked about a lot of artists from people that were

515
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: from but I've never heard anybody say anything about this

516
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 1: guy other than he's totally cool. So I was like

517
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: that he didn't even have to do that, you know,

518
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: that was kind of cool that came over. That's cool.

519
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: He's actually a fan that he you know, came over

520
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: to pay respects to me, but he kind of over

521
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: pay respects to the band, to the Ramone's name, and

522
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: that's what I Yeah, he wasn't just wearing the shirt

523
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: right exactly. There's I know Kanye West for a bit

524
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: a while was wearing the Mondo Bizarro T shirt and

525
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, he's not even a fan and

526
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But it's funny. Like my buddy who

527
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: works for Justin Timbolad's camp, told me, he's like, yeah,

528
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: that dude, it's a Ramote fan. Man, He's not just

529
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: a T shirt. Where I was like, that's cool. Yeah,

530
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: you don't know nowadays that's the way you put it,

531
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: like you don't know who is a T shirt wear

532
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: and who is an actual fan because it's become so popular. Yeah,

533
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: I've seen the same thing with Kanye West has worn

534
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: a ton of like punk rock or old like New

535
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: York rcore, you know stuff. And I like Kanye's music actually,

536
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: but like you do, wonder does he actually listen to

537
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: any of this or did it look cool? Yeah? Right,

538
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: because you know these guys all got stylists and stuff

539
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: like that that you know, you know, somebody that picks

540
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: their wardrobe for them. One thing, we're on stage, so

541
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: you don't you don't know if you know, somebody's just

542
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: dressing them up or if they dig it. But I

543
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: gotta say, you know that if you were around populo

544
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: music in the eighties and the nineties into the two thousand's,

545
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: when you had rap metal crossover bands, and you know,

546
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, it's just like what there was,

547
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: you know, funk punk, crossover, all that stuff. People really

548
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: kind of got a lot more um. People became less

549
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: of like a genre fan and more of them people

550
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: became more like music fans. And that's one thing I've

551
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 1: been blessed with the whole life is I've always been

552
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: able to appreciate all music. I dive all music. And

553
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: it's it seemed like in the eighties, nineties, early TiO

554
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 1: thousands when you had all those crusso the band's coming out.

555
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: A lot more people got that way, So it kind

556
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: of makes sense justin kimber Leaks from that that that

557
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: time period. Conway West maybe a little bit later, but

558
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, he's probably got he's probably just been exposed

559
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: to more music because of the level that he's at. Well,

560
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: it's interesting because you also your career spans. I feel like,

561
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: in my uneducated opinions, it's just a casual observation from

562
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: the outside. Uh, that period of time where like music

563
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: went through the industry itself went through a drastic changes

564
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: with the Internet and everything else that happened. Yeah, absolutely,

565
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: it's it kind of that was like the real last

566
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: big revolution in music. That was the last time where

567
00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: you had, um like really just like a huge change.

568
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: It means like a big, big turnover and you know, unfortunately,

569
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: like you know, like it seems like everything else, Um,

570
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: it just kind of got Uh. You know one. I

571
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: think once like big companies and stuff figure out what's

572
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: cool and how to exploit a market, you know, when

573
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: it's really young or really new. Once that happens, there's

574
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: less and less of a chance of it being like

575
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: a big spontaneous breakout breakout like that because you know

576
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: they want to control everything, and I say they but

577
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: you know, the music industry tries to control as much

578
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: as they can of what goes on in music because

579
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: that's how they squeezed their dollars out of it. But

580
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: now it's a weird situation, you know with ever since

581
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: the two thousands there with the file sharing thing and everything,

582
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: that whole business model got destroyed and there wasn't wanting

583
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: to follow up. So that's why it's like kind of

584
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: we now here, Like a good band now and again

585
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: or a good song now and again, but there isn't

586
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: that little organic thing where a scene starts in the

587
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: city and it grows and it matures and you get

588
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of good bands and that solid music

589
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: takes So if that don't happen anymore, what do you

590
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: think it may in the future. It may in the future,

591
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: but right now it ain't happen. What do you think

592
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: the trajectory is or like what the potential is for

593
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, that young kid, those young kids in their

594
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: garage trying to start a band, Like what if they

595
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: were to be a success? Um, what do you think

596
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 1: that might look like? In so that so realistically, now

597
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: kids have a lot more UM access to the public

598
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: in general directly than they used to have. It's it's

599
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: just it takes um you know. Without that, that kind

600
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: of like m DELI would be. You know, you start

601
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: a band, your friends start a band, you find a club,

602
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: you stopped playing in that club. All of a sudden,

603
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of other kids in the area you get

604
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: inspired by you. They start bands, um, and you get

605
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: a nice little scene going. Record companies start to take notice.

606
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: They swoop in and they sign up the cream of

607
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: cream of the crop, and all of a sudden, that

608
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: type of music spills into another city. So without that

609
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: happening now, the kids, what they have to do is

610
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: and it's a little bit easier, but a lot harder

611
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: um easier to make a great sounding record, UM easy

612
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: to UMU access people and and and and kind of

613
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: get your name out there. To me, the ingredient that's missing.

614
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: And they're also good bands, and I'm not saying they're

615
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: on any good bands, but the thing I feel like

616
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: that's missing right now in music is um emotional maturity

617
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: like kids now. Because when by the time I gotten

618
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: to the Ramons, I had been in the Marine Corps.

619
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: I had been with women. I had Frank and Party.

620
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: They been out in the world on my own, and

621
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, like like I was, I was experienced in

622
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, I mean, I had been through emotional stuff.

623
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: I had you know, done a lot of stuff. But

624
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: these days, because of the way everything operates, it's it's

625
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 1: so different than it was back then. Kids really are

626
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: more in control of their lives. And I think, um,

627
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: as far as I can tell, they're they're not like

628
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: like I grew up during the Cold War, like nuclear

629
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: annihilation was always part of the equation. We had, you know,

630
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: entire we had bands that based their entire um identity

631
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: on that. Fans like Reagan Youth and stuff like that

632
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: that really were like I still love even though they

633
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: were like politically very socialist, like great band. Yeah yeah,

634
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: but you know all those bands were like, you know,

635
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: kind of apocalyptic. You know, we're gonna go to war

636
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: with rusham Roll. And kids these days don't live with

637
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: that type of stuff, and they, like my son's twenty one,

638
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: he still lives at home. And I know, my son

639
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: isn't different than any of my friends kids. You know,

640
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: most of my friends kids there, you know, they're living

641
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: at home at a period in their lives when I

642
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: was already gone and out and doing things, so without

643
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: that kind of like, um that well kicks her off

644
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: from I'm like, you know, having done all the crazy

645
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: stuff that you're do when you're young. Um, I think

646
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: that music is kind of right now. It's kind of

647
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: a little bit stale and boring. Yeah, really uninspired. And

648
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: the kids look great. They you know, they have all

649
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: the moves down and they and they write you know,

650
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: cool hookie songs and stuff. But there's just that little

651
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: part of the equation that's missing, so that it really

652
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: comes off as a um like you know, like a

653
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: clone of of of the original without the spirit or

654
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: the anger, and and that's you know, that's that's the

655
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: only thing that I see that's missing from the equation

656
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: because otherwise the kids now way better players than I

657
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: was when I was, even even when I made it

658
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: to the most. I see kids at play now that

659
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: are like unbelievable musicians because they studied pianos since they

660
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: were six years old or they you know, they they

661
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: the school had a great music program and stuff like that,

662
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: opportunities that I didn't have when I was a kid.

663
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: So in some ways it's a lot it's a lot cooler,

664
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: it's a lot better. But in other ways it's just

665
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: there's that little piece missing, like a kid band breaking

666
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: big now they're only limited by their own motivation and

667
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: their own creativity. Because that's the beautiful thing with it.

668
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: With the Internet, you have access to so much, you

669
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: can access huge groups of people. You just gotta figure

670
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: out how to do it. What what you're saying about

671
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: Um these bands, it's reminding me so much. To be honest,

672
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about them of that band,

673
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: Greta Van Fleet. I mean, they they're like the biggest

674
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,959
Speaker 1: thing in rock right now for like a younger band,

675
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: which is cool, but like I listen to them and

676
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, this just sounds like how could we sound

677
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: just like Live Zeppelin. There's just nothing about it that's,

678
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, like innovative or dangerous to me. And all

679
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: the bands I like had something innovative or dangerous to them,

680
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: like The Ramons, Motley Crue, Like these bands sounded like

681
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: nothing before and it was it was edgy, and and

682
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: I feel like nothing is edgy today. Yeah, well, you

683
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: know it goes back to um. It's like Greta Van

684
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: Fleet's a great That's a great example because they are

685
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: hugely talented. The kid has got an unbelievable voice, and

686
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: all the players in the band are really great. But

687
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 1: it's just that one thing missing. And and it's that

688
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: that real emotional depth, you know, like that well to

689
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: pull off of when you're when you're playing or when

690
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 1: you're singing, that you really tap into and that that power,

691
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: that entergy is what the fans gravitate towards them. They

692
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: latch onto them. Plead is great to listen to, but

693
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: they don't move me. They don't make me want to

694
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: stand up and pump my fist. They make me want

695
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: to listen. I'm like, wow, this kid's got a great voice,

696
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: you know. But but that's it. That's that's all they got,

697
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 1: you know. Have you seen that documentary by any chance

698
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: on Oasis that's on Netflix. I think it's called um

699
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: it's something Supernova. Have you seen not Supernova or um uh?

700
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: Because I know they had Champagne Supernova and they had

701
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: that other song Supersonic. I think it's something supumentary. So

702
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: I have not watched it. You'd probably like it, man,

703
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: But what you're saying or what we said earlier, really

704
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: what you said about the Internet and all that. And

705
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: the cool thing about that documentary is they were at

706
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: the height of right before the Internet. It was massive.

707
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: So they talk about the very end of that documentary

708
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 1: is Oasis playing Wembley Stadium and this show was so

709
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: massive that apparently ten percent of the population of England

710
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: tried to get tickets to that show, I mean, which

711
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: is insane when you think about it. And they were like,

712
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: there will never be anything like this again, because this was,

713
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: like I believe, and they were like, it was just

714
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: such an organic thing where if your band was huge

715
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: and you were played on every radio station and played

716
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: an MTV, it was like a huge deal. And there's

717
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: nothing like that anymore because of the Internet, and I

718
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 1: think everybody is like into their own little thing. There's

719
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: no bands on the level of an Oasis was yeah,

720
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: And is it possible for a band to get that

721
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: big this in this day and age. I don't think

722
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: that is. That's the key, Jackie, You've definitely hit it.

723
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: That is really the key. Is it possible to make

724
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: it happen on that level anymore? It's and it's really

725
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: there really aren't many new artists that come up that

726
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: will achieve that justin timber Lake or that Oasis level.

727
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: It's just it's just a really strange time period, it

728
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: really is. But um, the thing about the Oasis though,

729
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: is they had fire man I'm a friend of mine

730
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: work for them, what my old tech worked for them

731
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: for a little while. He his first experience with them

732
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: was he had to meet the tour bus at a hotel.

733
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: So he um, he uh. He gets to the hotel

734
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: ahead of time, the bus pulls up, the doors open,

735
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: and the broker spill out onto the onto the driveway,

736
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: beaten the ship out of each other, and he was

737
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: like from on punching each other in the face. And

738
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: that's you know, And as bad as that sounds and

739
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: everything else, that is exactly the type of fire I'm

740
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: talking about. And it doesn't have to be rational, it

741
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be well thought out or intelligent, but

742
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: there has to be some kind of fire that has

743
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: to be something that feels that. It's so funny too,

744
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: because you see that from the documentary. These guys hated

745
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: each other. It was so heated in the studio and

746
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: then when Oasis would get on stage, they barely even

747
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: move around. It's really weird. They they they have a

748
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: stage presence just standing there. They don't have to dance,

749
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: they don't have to move around. They they just stand

750
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: there and it is rock and roll. And I'll tell you,

751
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: and they wrote some great songs. Regardless of whether or

752
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: not you know you're a fan of that style of music,

753
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: then that the stuff that they wrote really was catchy

754
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: and really good. I couldn't agree more. And I agree

755
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: they were like one of those last great rock bands. Um.

756
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: But again, and I should say before getting into the

757
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: next topic, I wanted to the weird thing is like

758
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: the rock stars in a way of today, and it's

759
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: just so strange. Are these e d M stars electronic

760
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: dance music for people who don't know. I mean, if

761
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: you watch that documentary on a Vichy before he unfortunately

762
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: passed away, one of these DJs, I mean he is

763
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: playing soccer stadiums full of people and he's on his

764
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: laptop and it's weird to a lot of people. But

765
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: like that is the new rock star. It's funny. I

766
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: was kind of unaware of that whole scene for a

767
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: long time. Um, after the Ramans retired, I started a

768
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: family and I left music for a while and I

769
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: was actually working as a doorman at a club in

770
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: UH in Manhattan. UM. It used to be a church

771
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 1: UM and it became a big rock club during the eighties,

772
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: and then it became a dance club. I was working

773
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: one New Year's Eve and UH, I was doing security

774
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: for the DJ that they that they brought in. He

775
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: was some famous dude from Europe and the guy was

776
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,479
Speaker 1: getting paid a hundred and fifty thousand dollars to play

777
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: a one hour set on New Year's Eve. Hundred and

778
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: fifty k for one hour set on New Year's and

779
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: I was so here, I am. You know, my time

780
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: with the Remones was done. I'm working as a doorman

781
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: in the club and I'm watching this kid stand there

782
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: with a laptop playing music for a hundred and five

783
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: hundred I didn't even make a hundred fifty thousand dollars

784
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: a year with the Remotes. It was. It was a

785
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: definitely a teachable moment. And I say I say this

786
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: as someone who's a big fan of electronic music and

787
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: grew up listenings in Nine Inch Nails and then later

788
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: industrial dance music, and but E d M just doesn't

789
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: do anything for me. Yeah, yeah, I'm uh, I think

790
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: the last kind of uh, I like the Ministry and

791
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: nine inch now close to type of music as as

792
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: I as I got. But um, yeah, I hear what

793
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 1: you're saying. This just this some stuff you just can't

794
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: relate to, you know what I mean. It's either you

795
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: did the drugs in that scene and hung out and

796
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: dance to it, or you don't get it. Yeah, I

797
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: mean that's that's definitely a different scene than the one today.

798
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: I mean a guy who worked for this company before,

799
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: and you guys have seen his work, Nick kl is

800
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: like very into that whole scene. And he was doing

801
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: a photography for this E d M artist, seven Lions

802
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: uh here in the city and was touring with him,

803
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: and Nick invited me out in Brandon Webb and uh,

804
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: I got to see seven lines and I'll be honest,

805
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: at a great time And it's not what I would

806
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: normally listen to all the time. But I will say

807
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: I don't get it. What I It's not that I

808
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: personally don't get it, because I I do on some level.

809
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: It's fun music, it's exciting. People like to day it's

810
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: and have a great time. But it lacks that innovation

811
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: and that danger that you guys were both talking. Yeah,

812
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: and it's also like, as you know, I saw Van Halen,

813
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: for example, on their last tour, which I think was

814
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: like three years ago. No guy, the laptop is going

815
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: to move me as much as seeing like Eddie van Hound.

816
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: You know. I gotta tell you though, Um, when when

817
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: I first started at that club, they always thought you

818
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: out in the worst position, which is the dance floor,

819
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: because you're dealing with people who are just out of

820
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: their minds at that point. So you know, I had

821
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: never heard any of any type of dance club music

822
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: at that time. I was totally unfamiliar with it. But

823
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: standing out on the dance floor with the music going

824
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: and the lights going and watching everybody else move, I

825
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: couldn't help but kind of just lean back a little

826
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: bit in sway. It's funny, you though, I had no

827
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: experience with it none, But it's just anything I think,

828
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: you know, dance music, that's what it's it's made. It's

829
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: made to make him move, you know what I mean.

830
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: So you get out in the club, you stuff feeling

831
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: that beat coming out loud out of speakers, everyone else

832
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: dancing kind of just tend to lean back and sway

833
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: a little bit. It's kind of funny. I don't know

834
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: how remote Stands would feel about he said that the

835
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 1: house music, but I couldn't help it, no, for sure. Yeah,

836
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 1: I think you have to be kind of in the moment,

837
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I think people are kind of

838
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: quick to say like, oh I don't I don't get this,

839
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 1: But if you're actually there, it might be. It might

840
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: not be what you listen to on a regular basis,

841
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: but you know, it's and and and real honestly, like

842
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: the drugs has. I think every everybody in the place

843
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: was taking ketamine or you know, p MP or some

844
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: kind of crazy you know, club drug. And that's really

845
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: that music is written to stimulate the same part of

846
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: the brain that the drug does, you know, So it's

847
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: it kind of goes again. It's like if you sat down,

848
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: if you sit down and listen to like Pink Floyd, Um,

849
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, source of Full of Secrets, straight, you would

850
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: you like, what is this crap? But you smoke weed

851
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: and sit down and listen to it, and you're like,

852
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 1: oh man, this is the greatest stuff I ever heard.

853
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: Some music is just it goes hand in hand with

854
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 1: drugs and otherwise it just don't sound that great. Yeah,

855
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 1: and it's the light show and all that that goes

856
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: with it as well. But I wanted to get into

857
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: what you're actually up to. You were telling me that

858
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: you have an upcoming book. I want to hear about that.

859
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: And then you have a pretty giant announcement that you

860
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: said you're gonna make for the first time with us,

861
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: which I'm pretty honored by. But yeah, let's get into it. Yeah.

862
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: So the book I've actually been I've been working on

863
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: for a long time. It's really been a long time.

864
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: But it's a strange thing I never wrote before. And

865
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: uh so when I sat down to do it, I

866
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: didn't know even really how you should do it, but

867
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: I just sat down and started doing it. I was

868
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: working on it with somebody else in the beginning. I

869
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: didn't kind of like the way it was going, so

870
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,280
Speaker 1: I just said, hey, I'm gonna do it my self,

871
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: and um, I started writing, and I had a weird

872
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: thing happened, Like it started. I started writing about stuff

873
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: from my past that I kind of never put to bed,

874
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: and it brought up like weird emotions and all of

875
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: a sudden, I just like I couldn't, Like I just

876
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: stopped writing, Like I was like, yeah, I don't feel

877
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: like dealing with that, but I can't. I couldn't continue writing.

878
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: I couldn't jump past it because in my um obsessive

879
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: compulsive brain, I can only do it in chronological order.

880
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: So I hit this like weird spot where I'm just like,

881
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: you know, what do I do? What do I do?

882
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: So I've been talking to a couple other guys who

883
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: are writers and getting some some good advice from them

884
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: and trying to you know, and they told me, they're like,

885
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: you know, it should be artic. You should be you

886
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: should be working through the stuff. It should be making

887
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: you feel something. If it's not, if you're not getting

888
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 1: upset or happy or whatever as you're writing about your life,

889
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: then it's not gonna be good. It's like what we

890
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: were saying before it it's got to be that spark,

891
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: that creative spark that So that's kind of helped me

892
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: get by it. And I'm sure I'm doing it a

893
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: little bit out of time, but I'm hoping I was

894
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: hoping to me to get it out with with my

895
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: with my last record. Um, but it's probably gonna be

896
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: a little while longer before I'm actually before I'm actually

897
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: done with it. But um, yeah, it's it's not not

898
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: a real simple thing to kind of sit down and

899
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: write things out and look at everything that you've done

900
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: and been through in your life, especially when you when

901
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: you try to be honest and include the stuff that

902
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: you're not proud of, you know what I mean. If

903
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: if anybody could sit down and write about the highlights

904
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: of their life, but I'm trying to. I'm being honest

905
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: and I'm writing about it and stuff that I ain't

906
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: too proud of me that. Yeah, No, I went through

907
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: the I went through the exact same thing because I

908
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: you know, recently wrote a memoir and it's, uh, it's

909
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: the same. It's like, like we were saying earlier in

910
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: the podcast, you don't want to just glorify war and

911
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: talk about you know, the flag waving and how great

912
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: you are. I mean, anybody can write a book about

913
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: how great they are. I mean that's easy to do,

914
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: But to write a book about all the things you

915
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: sucked up, like that's that gets difficult. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

916
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: and especially coming to you know, I think most people

917
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: like to think that at some point in your life.

918
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: You know, you can go back and uh, you know,

919
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: fixed mistakes you made, or do things differently. And you know,

920
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: everyone likes to think that, oh I only make you know,

921
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, I only make mistakes once and I never

922
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: repeat them. But when you sit down and you start looking,

923
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: and you know, like I noticed patterns in my life,

924
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: like self destructive patterns and stuff like that, like things

925
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: that I went to and I'm like, man, how do

926
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 1: I never see that? How do I keep doing that

927
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: one stupid thing over and over, cursing myself forward every time,

928
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: or even worse, blaming somebody else for it. But it's, um,

929
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's an interesting, interesting process if you're

930
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: doing it correctly. Is there an easy story you could

931
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: tell us from the book like that, you know, because

932
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: I want to hear this now. Um uh so let's see.

933
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: Let me let me a good one. Well, one thing

934
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: that you know, one thing I've I've struggled with and

935
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: it's been my biggest regret is how I separated from

936
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: the Marine Corps. You know, I ended up a deserter.

937
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: I was, you know, by the time I finished the

938
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: Ramans auditions and everything else that I was going through

939
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: to get into the band. I was a deserter. And

940
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: you want to talk about living with something that you

941
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: can never change, you know, And you know my d

942
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: D two fourteen my reenlistening code. When ground zero happened,

943
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: I first I did, I mean eleven half. The first

944
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 1: thing I did was run down to the recruiter brought

945
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: my DV two fourteen. He looked at it and he said,

946
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: you can never serve again. Wow, that's some serious regret.

947
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: And you know and admitting to that, like on your show,

948
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: I noticed there you guys out there, and I've gotten

949
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: shoot even from some friends of mine who have served.

950
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: That's why on my um on my Twitter feed, on

951
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: my i G feed, in my in my little profile,

952
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: I never list us MC. I didn't fulfill my contract

953
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: and I ended up a dessert. I don't feel like

954
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: I should be listening to you know what I mean.

955
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: That's that's how I feel about it. But that's the

956
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: kind of stuff that came up. When I was writing that,

957
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: I really I hit the war heart on and and

958
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: it and it made me, uh, It's kind of made

959
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: me take a step back and have to really be

960
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: think things and try to put some of it to bed. Yeah,

961
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: that I can see that being tough to move on

962
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: from and how to be one of those things that

963
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: you'd end up regretting. Um, but you know I was,

964
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: I was telling Ian you know today, Um, unfortunately, we

965
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,479
Speaker 1: have a real tendency to eat our own as well.

966
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: And you know, there does come a point where you

967
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: got you do like, yeah, you personally have to put

968
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: some of these things to bed, but like we collectively

969
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: also have to, like you know, Okay, this guy made

970
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: a mistake, Like we're moving on. You gonna hold it

971
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: against this guy for I think even somebody who goes

972
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: a roll or somebody like we call it RFS who

973
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: gets released for standards from Ranger Battalion Like okay, like

974
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 1: you probably did something to funk up, but you got

975
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: a whole rest of your life to live. Like you

976
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: may live another sixty years, buddy, you know you gotta

977
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: move on with that. That's the truth truth, and and

978
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: you know it's it's a it's a um. The way

979
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: the point that I came to was like, hey, I

980
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: can either you know, sit around and and and you

981
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: know and crying wine about it, you know what I mean,

982
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 1: and be embarrassed or try to hide it or or whatever.

983
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,439
Speaker 1: Or I can just you know, take a step back

984
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: and and and and make it make me better for

985
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: for what I'm doing next. And I'll tell you if

986
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: I was never in the Marine Corps, I would never

987
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: have made it in the Ramans. Because before I went

988
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: into the Marine Corps, I was a total ship. I

989
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 1: didn't want to do anything but party and and act stupid.

990
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: I didn't care what anyone, you know, I didn't care

991
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: about anything. I literally cared about nothing. So um when

992
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: I got when I went to the audition and I

993
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: was talking to Johnny, the first one I realized, I like,

994
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: Johnny said to me, it's something about him going to

995
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: um uh, Johnny went to military school when he was younger.

996
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: And it really was kind of an instant can and

997
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: for me and Johnny. But because I had, I came

998
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: out of the Marine Corps with discipline and and being

999
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: self motivated and and not you know, crumbling when things

1000
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: got tough. That's what allowed me to last in the Ramones.

1001
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 1: And I told Johnny from the get go, I said,

1002
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: I knew they had gone through a lot, with Deeed

1003
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: being a drug addict and Mosk being an alcoholic and

1004
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: Joey having mental problems and being an alcoholic, I knew

1005
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: the inside there was a lot of turmoil. So I

1006
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: figured that that's gonna be part of my job, is

1007
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: to be like a stabilizing force. And that's exactly what

1008
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: I did, and that's I learned fully remons songs in

1009
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: five weeks. I never gave them a hassle about in anything.

1010
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: Anytime we was supposed to be there, I was the

1011
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes ahead of everybody else. I did all the um,

1012
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: all the the legwork for recording records, as far as

1013
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: sticking out songs and teach them to Johnny and learning

1014
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: a little lyrics, and I just got down to the

1015
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: job of of being C. J. Ramon. But I went

1016
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: at it like I was told in the Marine Corps,

1017
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: went that without any any doubt in my in my abilities.

1018
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: And that's that's what kept me in the band. So

1019
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: had I never gone into the Marine Corps, I would

1020
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: have never lasted in the In the Ramans, I may

1021
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: have got the audition, but I would have gotten kicked out. Well,

1022
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: that's why so many, so many employers love to hire

1023
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: former Marines because they can bring you guys on and

1024
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: have you work eighteen hour days and you won't say

1025
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: shit about it. Yeah, that's it, that's the truth. And

1026
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: and so things like that, Like looking at it from

1027
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,479
Speaker 1: that perspective, it helps me to like understand, I guess

1028
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: there was a reason that I was in the Marine Corps.

1029
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: There was a reason why I went there in the

1030
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: in the larger picture, it probably saved my life and

1031
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: it definitely made it definitely made me the man I am.

1032
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: I would not be who I am right now had

1033
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: I never been in the Marines, you know, I was

1034
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: telling Ian all so that this is really sad. I

1035
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: know people who um have sterling records, who were more

1036
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: professional than I ever was, who have more professional accomplishments

1037
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: than I do, totally legit um veterans, guys who served

1038
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: in special operations, and they have seen how toxic the

1039
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: veterans community has become in a lot of ways, to

1040
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: the point that they will not publicly talk about being

1041
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: a Ranger or a Green Beret or it's like it's

1042
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: almost like they almost have this little kind of shame

1043
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: about it that they won't talk about it because they're like,

1044
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, the community will just come after you and

1045
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: tear you apart. And professionally try to ruin you over

1046
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: just the smallest thing. They just here something maybe they

1047
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: don't like, and they accuse you of uh stolen valor

1048
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: or whatever. And it's just a really toxic environment where

1049
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: we should be very supportive of one another. UM sometimes

1050
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: it's like that, but a lot of times it isn't. Yeah,

1051
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: I mean this is going back a couple of years.

1052
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: I think UM when brand And released his first book

1053
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: and I went to the party in New York City

1054
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: Fort and I think I met That's when I met

1055
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: new Jack Um and I first met you guys, and

1056
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: I met a bunch of guys there, and it was like, uh,

1057
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: like everybody there was like really really like in good

1058
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: spirits and there was like everyone was really excited for

1059
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: you guys, and it was cool to have like veterans

1060
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: doing something that that other veterans could be a part

1061
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: of and get involved in and support UM. And then

1062
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: I kind of watched, like what happened. So, like, I

1063
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: think I've been around for for for a pretty long

1064
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: time with you guys, and I've I've followed pretty closely,

1065
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: but I've I've seen like some of the stuff that's

1066
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: happened on the periphery with other vets, you know, getting

1067
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: on you know, getting on on board with other organizations

1068
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: UM or other or other groups like yours, and there

1069
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: talking like mad shit about everybody, and uh, to me

1070
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: any way, it's like I get it, you know what

1071
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: I mean. An easy way to get yourself known and

1072
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: get a leg up really quick is to attack the

1073
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: guy on top. But when you were very competitive, some

1074
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: of the stuff that that get said and some of

1075
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: the stuff that cats drug out into the public is

1076
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: just wrong. And it really it's just wrong. Like if

1077
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,439
Speaker 1: if some of the stuff that I've seen said through

1078
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: the press or in the you know, in the media

1079
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, I would never say about anybody

1080
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: else in the media if I saw them, I would

1081
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: say it to their space, I would call them on it,

1082
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: but I would never ever say it in the press

1083
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: because to me, that's just you're trying to use the

1084
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: press to further yourself by bringing somebody else down. And

1085
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: that's just inherently wrong. That's just not not not the

1086
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: way a professional operation. It's it's definitely a strange world.

1087
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: And you know, I sense that they're like becoming two

1088
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: types of veterans. There are like those guys who kind

1089
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: of just like get out, they go to college, start

1090
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: a family, move on. And then there are the other

1091
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: guys that just kind of exist in that like vet

1092
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: brow world, and they were you know, the paraphernalia everywhere

1093
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: they go, and they're constantly blinding everyone that they're a

1094
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: veteran um. It's strange, and unfortunately a lot of good guys,

1095
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: like I said, they just kind of like bow out

1096
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: of it, and they're like, won't even tell people that

1097
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: they served in the military, which is it's a damn

1098
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: should name. Really yeah, it's you know, to me, it

1099
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: should be it should always be a part of who

1100
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: you are and what you do, you know what I mean.

1101
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: And that's that's kind of what I've tried to do.

1102
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: I've just tried to make sure that when I have

1103
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: a job or responsibility, I go at it like I

1104
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: was taught to because I know that that's the way

1105
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: to get good results quick. It's just to go out

1106
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: at hot um and and and and I consider, you know,

1107
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: those two years of really important part of part of

1108
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 1: my life. But it's it's don't define me, and it

1109
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: it isn't all you know, And that's I think people

1110
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: I think I'm agreeing with what's saying un percent. You know,

1111
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: you can't hang your identity on one thing. It can't

1112
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: your whole you can't hold your hang your whole life

1113
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: on one thing. You look at the vets that come

1114
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: home after World War Two or Korea or or even Vietnam.

1115
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: They came home and got down to the business that

1116
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: of having families and and and and all of that

1117
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: good stuff. Like I'm saying, a lot of guys do

1118
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: that now, But it just seems like now there's a

1119
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: lot more guys who kind of are like fighting hard

1120
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: hold onto it um and and so I think in

1121
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: some instances, for no other reason than for monetary gains,

1122
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: they just see an explore a way to exploit having

1123
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: been in the military to make money. And that's uh

1124
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: and and and I don't fault anybody for that. If

1125
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: that's your if that's you know, if that's your thing,

1126
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: that's your thing. But you've got to do it in

1127
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: a professional way, not by down your fellow vets or

1128
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: or you know, trying to like I said, before I

1129
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: get a leg up on on another veteran run business

1130
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: by shooting them down to make your business look better Yeah,

1131
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to save this for

1132
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: the book release, but I'm certainly wondering. I'm sure the

1133
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: audience is wondering. And like I said, you obviously could

1134
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: say this for when the book comes out, But why

1135
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: you allowed your military career to end like that? Yeah,

1136
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: HiT's some I mean, the easiest way for me to

1137
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: put it is, I mean, realistically, what would you rather do?

1138
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: What's that? I was a cold World warrior. There was

1139
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 1: nothing going on, literally nothing going on, and I could

1140
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: have either spent the next two years digging fighting holes,

1141
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, miserable probably well actually, um, when I left,

1142
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: I was actually about to um head over to Cuney, Japan.

1143
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: So I it went and spent two years over enable

1144
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: un in Japan the next two years and he was Japan,

1145
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: or have spent two years to him with the Ramans.

1146
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: So that so that is essentially the reason you left,

1147
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: though you got the call while you were in the Marines. Yeah,

1148
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: which I mean, I think it's understandable that's there for

1149
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: the Ramans while I was in the Marine Corps. So

1150
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: I mean that puts a totally different spin on it.

1151
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: I think a lot of guys if they because you

1152
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: have talked about before you were Ramans fan. You grew

1153
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: up with that music. You know, if you got a

1154
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: call to tour with like in a sense your idols

1155
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: and become a new member of the band, Yeah, it's

1156
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: a it's a pretty hard thing to pass up because

1157
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: you know you have to fulfill this contract. I personally,

1158
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: I fully understand. I'll tell you the thing that the

1159
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: thing that makes it a little bit extra cond of

1160
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: sulty for me though it's my own. My dad's family

1161
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: everyone served. My dad and his oldest brother both a Navy.

1162
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: My uncle Kenny was UM was Army Airborne for in Korea. UM. Uh,

1163
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: so it's kind of military service was a part of

1164
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: the family. And I don't know that's a people like

1165
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: if I hate it a long time blah. But Long Island,

1166
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: I think per Capita has UM the largest amount of

1167
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: of people who served UM in the nation. I think

1168
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: I think that's the staff that I heard that Long

1169
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: Island Per Capita has more people in the service than

1170
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: any other part of the United States. So the so

1171
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: my family is no different. You know, everybody, everybody, all

1172
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 1: my dad's family served, So that made it even a

1173
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: little bit, a little bit more hot and hotter. You know,

1174
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: in hindsight, UM was was that my dad wasn't My

1175
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: dad was. My dad was in for UM Vietnam and

1176
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: the Cuban Missile crisis. UM uncle Kenny was a merchant

1177
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: marine in the early years of of World War Two

1178
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: and then UH joined the UH maybe for the last year.

1179
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: And like I said, Marc Kenny was cream all that.

1180
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:23,959
Speaker 1: So I'm not My militant record and with the rest

1181
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: of my family is really an extra little bit of

1182
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: embarrassment for me. But like I said, you know that

1183
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: that's really what it came down to when I when

1184
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: I went to the I went to the audition strictly

1185
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 1: just to go down and meet the band. But when

1186
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: I got the callbacks and called back again and called

1187
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: back again, and suddenly I realized I might get this gig.

1188
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: That's a crazy story. Yeah, And I mean, like, had

1189
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: you have done the thing that you regret on some level,

1190
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you wouldn't. You wouldn't be C. J. Ramond,

1191
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: you'd beat Chris Ward and you know, I mean somebody

1192
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: else may have happened. But my my my plan at

1193
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: that point was I figured I'd go I go into

1194
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: the marine corps um, and I went in guaranteed infantry.

1195
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: My recruiter was like, why did you want to go

1196
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: into the infantry, And I told him I grew up hunting,

1197
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 1: and I know guns, and I know it's pretty easy

1198
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 1: to pick up in in uh infantry. And I had

1199
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 1: all these justifications for it. And I went in and

1200
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: I was I was a thirty one, and I figured

1201
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: I'd go in into you eight years and come out

1202
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: and try to get on emergency services with New York

1203
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 1: City Police Farm. And that was my that was my goal.

1204
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 1: That's that was my big plan. Um. But yeah, kind

1205
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 1: of stepped in. And you know, had I not balanced,

1206
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 1: had I just waited another two more years and kept

1207
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: playing in clubs, like I said, I probably would have

1208
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: got the audition anyway. But I still firmly believe I

1209
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: would not have been a belle to maintain my spot

1210
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: in the band. I think that the Marine Corps made

1211
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: that possible. That's an awesome story, man. People are probably

1212
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: excited for the book now. And now onto the other

1213
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,719
Speaker 1: big announcement that you said you haven't talked about anywhere else.

1214
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: I will let you get right into it. So a

1215
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: couple of years back, um, you know, like I said,

1216
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: I was, I was gone from music for a good

1217
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: long while, and I was, uh, just kind of being

1218
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: the family guy and working a regular job. And so

1219
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: two eight I started playing again and and I'm I'm

1220
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: big on like five year plans. I'm I'm like that

1221
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,560
Speaker 1: kind of guy, like I try to That's how I

1222
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 1: keep my like someone organized. So when I first came back,

1223
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: I I was loving it. It It was great. And you know,

1224
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, I did a new record and and

1225
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 1: I started thinking about, like, you know what I'm gonna

1226
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: do in the future when I'm you know, what am

1227
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: I gonna do? How am I gonna do this? And

1228
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,600
Speaker 1: I need to have like some kind of plan. And

1229
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:07,640
Speaker 1: I had said, um, I had in my mind, I

1230
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: said that when comes, I'm going to retire. And and

1231
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: so I got down in business of release and records

1232
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:25,759
Speaker 1: two um uh and uh two seventeen now two thousand

1233
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 1: four record and uhies around the corner. So this will

1234
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 1: probably be my last. My last record is c J

1235
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: Ramon And I plan on stopping touring at the end

1236
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: of twenty How does that feel, man? I mean, are

1237
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: you like burned out on touring at this point? Or

1238
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: are you gonna is that something you're really gonna miss? Now?

1239
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: You know, there's just some other things I want to do,

1240
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: you know, And music has been I've been you know,

1241
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: I've been pretty much playing music and and playing shows

1242
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: in some thirteen years old you know. Um, and there's

1243
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: something there's just other things I really want to do.

1244
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 1: I really want to try, you know, I really want

1245
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 1: to try writing that well, you know, I want to

1246
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: do that. You know, growing up on Long Island, you know,

1247
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: you go up around fishing boats in the ocean and

1248
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: all that. I've always wanted to have my own fishing boat.

1249
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to captain a boat and and just

1250
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 1: be able to go out and catch fish and relax

1251
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: and take back. You know. There's just other things I

1252
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:39,799
Speaker 1: want to do. And as as like you said before,

1253
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: you know, I tore a lot. I tore a lot,

1254
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: and for you know, for every you know, for every

1255
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,799
Speaker 1: day I'm on the road, there's probably three days of prep.

1256
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 1: Literally there's probably three days of prep. And and it

1257
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: really has taken up um, you know, it's really the

1258
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 1: last since two eight. I mean, I've been hitting it

1259
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 1: hard and it's really taking up a good uh portion

1260
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: of my life. So I think, um, you know, I

1261
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 1: think I think it's it's it want. I don't want

1262
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: to be uh, I don't want to be Keith Richard's. Yeah.

1263
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: I mean I could still get up on stage and

1264
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: hit it pretty hord and and have fun. I mean,

1265
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 1: I'd like that rich is money. I just don't want

1266
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: to get up there with my face looking like an

1267
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 1: old catches, you know, with other musicians cover and for

1268
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Speaker 1: me and stuff, that's just uh, it's just it's not

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01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: my thing. And so that's what to do. But I'm

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01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 1: definitely gonna get writing a shot. I love to you know,

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01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm enjoyed writing my book. I even I even enjoy

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01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 1: I mean Jack will tell you on on a news rep.

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01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 1: I mean I comment on just about every story that

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01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: you guys, right. I really appreciate the writers like because

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01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 1: the story and the content is always awesome. But you

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01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: can have great a great story and great con tent

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01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 1: and your delivery is crap and you blow it. You

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01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: guys have had uh. You guys have done a really

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01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 1: good job at picking writers who really know how to

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01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: nail it. And and it's kind of inspired me to

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01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 1: to to give it a shot. Myself. So I'd love

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01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 1: to try, you know, and and I like it while

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01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 1: I know it'll never you know, I'm not looking for

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01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: it to pay the bills or something like. That's kind

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01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 1: of where where I could see myself, you know, and

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01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 1: my lady is is doing a bunch of a bunch

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01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: of little things. I'd like to own the Irish pub.

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01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 1: That's the other thing I want to give sons. Uh.

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01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: My son went to school for cauling every aunts, and

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01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 1: so I've been talking to my wife about opening up

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01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: a little Irish joint, you know, good whiskey, cat bears,

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01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 1: small plate food, you know, put my son in the kitchen.

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01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 1: That's that's that's seems like a nice way to fam

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01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: a lady is. Well, please keep us in mind, and uh,

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01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, we can publish some excerpts of your book

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01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 1: if you'd like when the time comes, and you'll help

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01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: help out with the promotion when you're ready to publish,

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01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: all right, that'd be great. Yeah, absolutely, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Awesome man. So it sounds like, you know, for people

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01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: who want to see you live, this is like a

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01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 1: last shot to see you on tour, which you know,

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01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: the new tour is going to start next month with

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01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: the me and jeans. This is like a West Coast run.

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01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 1: I assume you're going to do some more international dates

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01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 1: in East coast dates. We're gonna do a West Coast run.

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01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: And then I'm actually UM standing in on base UM

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01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: for me first in the game gamming. Oh, I who

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01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: I know if they do all those like cover songs

1309
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 1: of like old movies, right, you know, yeah, but different versions.

1310
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:54,799
Speaker 1: I don't records cover song small different all different time periods.

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01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna so my tour, my West Coast run

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01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,799
Speaker 1: ends on the tents the twelve to fly to Europe

1313
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:05,719
Speaker 1: with them. I play with them from UH from June

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01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 1: twelve through July six. Then my band flies over, meets

1315
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: me in Brussels. Alator takes off July. I think it's July.

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01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 1: Can we pick up UM and then we go through

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01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 1: till August third. Then we fly into New York and

1318
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 1: we uh we started making our way west UM from

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01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: there back home to San Francisco. Later on this year,

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01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: UM we we gotta offers to go to South America.

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01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 1: We're looking at Japan. UM. I'm hoping to record a

1322
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: live record UM over in South America later this year.

1323
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 1: That's that's something I'd like to do. Um. Yeah, that's

1324
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: so that's the other thing. They'll be at least two

1325
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 1: more releases, a live record and then a creative record

1326
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: that's awesome, you know I've never named sorry, and then

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01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 1: will probably get out on the road. Um. I'll probably

1328
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: hit the States and Canada really hard, trying to make

1329
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 1: a couple of the other territories like Australia and New Zealand,

1330
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 1: and I want to get to before before it's all

1331
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 1: over and will be it. That's awesome. So that's a

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01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 1: that's a pretty long extensive tour. Uh. The thing I'm wondering,

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01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 1: I've actually never seen you play live, So what what

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01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 1: percentage of the set is your own soul of stuff

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01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 1: and what percentages remotes material? I probably do sixt my

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01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: own stuff and ust is uh stuff like greatest hits,

1337
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:38,600
Speaker 1: ramons like you know that. I usually pull out a

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01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: couple of different fan favorites um per show. You know,

1339
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: I try to throw a couple of odd ball songs

1340
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 1: in there just for the for the real fans, deep

1341
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:53,719
Speaker 1: cut style of Alans fans awesome man cool. So once

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01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 1: again May ten on Fat Records, The Holy spell, uh,

1343
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 1: and then the corresponding tour and then also so this weekend,

1344
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,759
Speaker 1: if people are in the New Jersey area, you're gonna

1345
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,919
Speaker 1: be back at the New Jersey Horror Con and Film Festival.

1346
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:08,599
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's when you've done what you've

1347
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: done a few cons though recently. And this is at

1348
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: the show about Hotel at Wlantic City. Tickets up at

1349
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,719
Speaker 1: event right dot com. So I'm assuming you're signing stuff

1350
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 1: and and meeting meeting ramonsts. Yeah. Yeah, those things are

1351
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 1: actually pretty fun. I've I've done a couple of them

1352
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 1: over the last year and uh had a good time

1353
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: at them, and I've got to meet a bunch of

1354
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: really cool people, uh, you know, from different TV shows, movies,

1355
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 1: other bands. It's it's actually pretty cool. I love the

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01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 1: picture of you with Carmen Elector at one of them,

1357
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 1: and Carmen Electtions raring Ramons here at Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1358
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: good stuff, man, it's a lot of fun. Nice. Well,

1359
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on. Man, we'll do this again sometime.

1360
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 1: And uh, people who want to follow you on Twitter

1361
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 1: and Instagram, which you are very active on, it's at

1362
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 1: the t H E. C. J. Ramon both on Twitter

1363
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 1: and Instagram at the c J ramone. I think we've

1364
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 1: covered a lot man and anything else before we wrap

1365
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:13,759
Speaker 1: this up. Now, that'd be it. But um, you guys

1366
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 1: keep doing what you're doing, and I'm I'm a big

1367
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 1: fan of and up follow you guys religiously, so keep

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01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, thank you, c J. It really means

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01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: a lot to me and uh and I know it

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01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 1: means a lot to the other guys as well, and

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01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you, you know, taking an hour or

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01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,599
Speaker 1: so out of your day for us today. Al Right, guys,

1373
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 1: thanks men, take care. I had no idea he was

1374
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 1: gonna gett into that story because I sort of knew

1375
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of it. But it's like it's a

1376
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: weird thing to kind of carry that uh, regret with

1377
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 1: you when it's a completely understandable situation. I mean, I

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01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:51,719
Speaker 1: think nine out of ten guys, if they were given

1379
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 1: the opportunity to be in a band that they legends

1380
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 1: really that they grew up on and be able to

1381
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 1: take the spot of a guy's no longer in the band,

1382
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they would do it as opposed

1383
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,720
Speaker 1: to feeling like you're not really doing anything in the military,

1384
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:09,719
Speaker 1: at the time, but you know, the Marines are pretty hardcore,

1385
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 1: and you know, I think the regret comes from uh

1386
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 1: want to you know, making that commitment and not following

1387
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 1: through on it, and then that's something that you know

1388
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 1: followed him around the rest of his life. Like he's

1389
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 1: saying he was trying to re enlist after nine eleven.

1390
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 1: They're like, sorry, bro Um, but I'm glad he talked

1391
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 1: about that. I'm glad he's writing about it because you know,

1392
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: that's what I've said in the past, or what we

1393
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 1: were talking about just now, is when you write about

1394
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 1: those kinds of regrets, that actually is usable content that

1395
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: the reader can take away. Um, that's something that an

1396
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 1: eighteen year old kid reading that, it'll make him think, like,

1397
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: maybe I don't want to make the same mistake that C. J.

1398
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: Ramone feels he made when he was a young guy.

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01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 1: So there's actually like some you know, lessons you can

1400
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: learn by talking about that stuff. I'm sure the book

1401
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 1: is sold their mistakes, but it's weird. I don't know

1402
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 1: if I would necessarily see that as a mistake because,

1403
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 1: as he says, he just went to these auditions to

1404
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 1: meet the guys. Never thought he would get the call back,

1405
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 1: and I mean would I think I think in some ways,

1406
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't the bigger mistake have been serving at his contract

1407
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: and he never gets this giant opportunity to to do

1408
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 1: what you I mean, I don't, I don't know. That's

1409
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 1: all like totally subjective. Yeah, based on how you feel

1410
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 1: about it. Like some people would be like, yeah, fuck

1411
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: the military, who gives a ship And it would be

1412
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 1: a weirder regret to be like, yeah, I could have

1413
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 1: been in the Ramans instead, I had a really mundane

1414
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 1: military grade. Yeah, no, I can understand it. Yeah, but

1415
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 1: always great having him on go see him on tour.

1416
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: I I definitely will try to because when he plays

1417
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: New York, knowing that this will be likely the last

1418
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,799
Speaker 1: time we'll get to see him, and I totally understand.

1419
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:52,839
Speaker 1: I mean, CJ is not like a young guy anymore,

1420
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 1: and he's carrying on that Ramon's legacy. Is one of

1421
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: the few guys left from the you know, not the

1422
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: original band, but that we're in the actual band, carrying

1423
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 1: on the legacy of that music. I mean, everybody knows

1424
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 1: I want to be Sedated and all these great songs,

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01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 1: and I mean, such an awesome thing to be a

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Speaker 1: part of that. Uh, you know what, we do have

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Speaker 1: have our own softwap radio app that you can download

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Speaker 1: for free on iPhone or Android. You just look up

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Speaker 1: the software radio operate on there and has all our episodes,

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Speaker 1: all the back episodes in our homepage. Of course is

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Speaker 1: software radio dot com where you can see that full

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Speaker 1: archive of shows and keep up with us of course

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Speaker 1: at softwarep Radio. With that, I have a few emails

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Speaker 1: sent to software dot radio thing and I was pulling

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Speaker 1: statistics out of thin air before, uh pop Black population

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Speaker 1: in America two thousand ten cents of data is twelve

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Speaker 1: point six per Okay, Yeah, so it's as you're saying,

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Speaker 1: lower than people, weller than I think what a lot

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Speaker 1: of you know, New York, New Yorkers would prefagine. Yeah, Um, alright,

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Speaker 1: so I have some emails sent to soft rep dot

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Speaker 1: radio at soft rerep dot com here. Uh and by

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Speaker 1: the way, ever since we did that Q and A episode,

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Speaker 1: like we're getting a ton that so we may have

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Speaker 1: to do another Q and A a few months. It

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Speaker 1: was enjoyed. I mean we went long, but like, these

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Speaker 1: are only three of like, you know, twenty something emails

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Speaker 1: in the past week. So I these were like the

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Speaker 1: best ones. Um, we we're the best like brief questions

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Speaker 1: we can get to. Uh. This is from Joseph Parrish.

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Speaker 1: I was listening to a clip from a Pat McNamara interview.

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Speaker 1: I assume he's thinking of the Joe Rogan one because

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Speaker 1: we certainly didn't talk about this with Pat. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: he says the topic was red Wings and the lack

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Speaker 1: of truth told regarding what happened No. Five, five six

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Speaker 1: brass Marcus had full magazines, eleven, etcetera. Uh. My question

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Speaker 1: is how were his teammates killed and who killed them? Uh?

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Speaker 1: It's you know, kind I think it's sort of self explanatory.

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Speaker 1: As we were saying before, we mean not to this.

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Speaker 1: But and that's from Joseph Petty and they were killed

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Speaker 1: by the Taliban firefight. I think that this goes back

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Speaker 1: to people who have a very you know, conspiratorial view

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Speaker 1: of what went down. But listen back, I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: I have and I have no idea what Pat McNamara

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Speaker 1: interview he's talking about there. It's probably Rogan, but I

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Speaker 1: haven't heard it yet, so I haven't heard it, so

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Speaker 1: I can't really comment on that. Yeah, I would say,

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Speaker 1: if you want to hear the full story though, what

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Speaker 1: you know truly went down from you know, video footage

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Speaker 1: and everything, listen back to our first interview with Ed

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Speaker 1: Ed Derek, and I'm gonna tell you what episode that is.

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Speaker 1: Both of those interviews are really good. Yeah, the first one.

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Speaker 1: Those were really got into it. So that's three fifteen

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Speaker 1: The Truth behind Extortion seventeen, which is a separate incident.

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Speaker 1: But I mean we talked about Booked about Red Wings

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, yeah, and and he gets into

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Speaker 1: what really went down, and and we got some backwash

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Speaker 1: for it. Oh that we got some like negative reviews

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Speaker 1: of people you know that that don't like the fact

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Speaker 1: that what Ed says doesn't correspond with what Marcus Latrell

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Speaker 1: said but it's the truth of the matter. I mean,

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Speaker 1: facts hurt. Sometimes I don't I don't know what to

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Speaker 1: tell you. Yeah, So listen back to that one. Um. Alright,

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Speaker 1: this one I thought was really interesting because of the

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Speaker 1: fact really that it goes to there's new people discovering

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Speaker 1: this podcast all the time who were just discovering you know,

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Speaker 1: special Ops, Mille, Harry, culture and everything in it. So

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Speaker 1: you guys, some of you will probably laugh at this email,

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Speaker 1: but I thought it'd be interesting just to uh, to

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Speaker 1: read because it, you know, it shows the background of

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Speaker 1: some of our listeners. Hey, guys, literally just listen to

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Speaker 1: my first podcast today by y'all. A question not directly

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Speaker 1: related to any show, but here it goes. I and

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Speaker 1: many people in North America, Asia and Europe have really

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Speaker 1: gotten into the sport of air soft, a sport very

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Speaker 1: similar in idea to paintball, but a much more real, realistic,

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Speaker 1: simulated sport. Many skirmishes or mills, sims military simulations consist

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Speaker 1: of actual objectives and structures, replica firearms utilizing actual real

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Speaker 1: steel accessories, pyrotechnics, and even helicopters and vehicles. Anyways, I've

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Speaker 1: heard a lot of people in the military dislike this

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Speaker 1: sport because because it is trying to simulate combat. But

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Speaker 1: I've heard some like in the video games attached below,

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Speaker 1: who have used it. Any you know attached video games

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Speaker 1: used it to keep their skills and training and allow

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Speaker 1: them to teach others. What is your opinion on this

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Speaker 1: or any quote simulation of combat? And then he sends

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Speaker 1: a video to give you a sense of air Soft.

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Speaker 1: The thing is, I think almost all of our audience

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Speaker 1: is familiar with air Soft. We're certainly familiar with it.

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Speaker 1: I do think a lot of air Soft guys get

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Speaker 1: a lot of crap. But then there's uh, guys in

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Speaker 1: the community that we're really good friends with, like Red

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Speaker 1: in Utah and Ajax and those guys in Utah and like,

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Speaker 1: they're very cool guys who have a great respect for

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Speaker 1: the military, come from military families like Red, and there's

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Speaker 1: definitely a crossover. Yeah, Red's a character. I love him. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The I mean, I don't have any like issue with

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Speaker 1: air Soft. I'm not involved in it personally, but I

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Speaker 1: mean if people want to go out and like shoot

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Speaker 1: each other with paintballs and and pellets, you know on

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Speaker 1: the weekend, Um, it's not doing me any harm. Um.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's doing the military any harm. So um,

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Speaker 1: if that's what you do for fun, then enjoy it,

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with that. Um.

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Speaker 1: And and I'll give a plug to Red here. Red

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Speaker 1: is at red Rocking on Instagram. And if you're into

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Speaker 1: air Soft, he's like the guys man. Yeah, he loves it.

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Speaker 1: He lives for it, and he's such a character man

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Speaker 1: and and just a super positive fun guy to be around. Really. Um. Alright,

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Speaker 1: here's the last one, which you said you're familiar with.

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Speaker 1: This is from Taylor Johnson. Uh, and he's talking about

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Speaker 1: Triple Frontier. Here. Hey, Ian and Jack, I got to

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Speaker 1: hear what Jack has to say about the new Netflix

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Speaker 1: movie about former Soft dudes turning to crime. The movie's

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Speaker 1: name is Triple Frontier and features some pretty big name actors.

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Speaker 1: Keep up the good work. Yeah, I watched the movie,

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Speaker 1: uh like a week or two ago when it came out,

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Speaker 1: and um, I really liked it. I know. I'm kind

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Speaker 1: of like notorious for my movie reviews on the website

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Speaker 1: because like I usually trash these movies so hard and

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Speaker 1: and just hate them, but usually trash they like Hollywood

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Speaker 1: the Hollywood. Yeah, glamorizing. Yeah, like Sicario. Like, I hated

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Speaker 1: that movie so much. I think every military veteran I've

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Speaker 1: ever talked to hated Zero Dark Third. I hated that movie.

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Speaker 1: That was just propaganda. Um, it was just disgusting. But

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Speaker 1: a triple frontier, I mean I liked it. Um. Definitely

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Speaker 1: a work of fiction, of course, and you know, keep

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Speaker 1: that in mind when you watch it. Um, it's not

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Speaker 1: trying to be a truth. It's not torn from the headlines,

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Speaker 1: it's not based on a true story. It's a fictional film. Um.

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Speaker 1: And I really enjoyed it. It's uh about some kind

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Speaker 1: of down and out special operations veterans. Um. Again, it's

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Speaker 1: not really glamorized. I thought it was pretty realistic actually,

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Speaker 1: in the sense that, like these guys are kind of

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Speaker 1: like burnouts. Like one guy was forced in a retirement

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Speaker 1: and like Ben Affleck's character and he's selling he's trying

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Speaker 1: to sell condos, doing like real estate stuff, and he

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Speaker 1: kind of sucks at it. And he has an ex

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Speaker 1: wife and a daughter that's kind of ambivalent about him. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know the the another guy who's a pilot and

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Speaker 1: he got popped for like smuggling cocaine or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Like they're all kind of like down and out, and uh,

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Speaker 1: they go and h run this attempt to run this

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Speaker 1: heist down in South America, sealing money from a drug

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Speaker 1: lord and getting away with it. And a lot of

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Speaker 1: people didn't like the movie because it's like they're all

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Speaker 1: like a Special Operations guys would never be so incompetent,

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Speaker 1: they would never make these mistakes. And I'm thinking, look like,

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Speaker 1: read these reviews and I'm like, what do you mean

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Speaker 1: we wouldn't make these mistakes. Of course we do. We

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Speaker 1: make them all the time. Um. So for me, that

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Speaker 1: the incompetence, the desperation, the mistakes they made, like all

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Speaker 1: that kind of rang pretty true to me, you know.

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Speaker 1: And uh, it also goes back to that Jake's Wig

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Speaker 1: interview we were doing where he's like, you know, Special

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Speaker 1: Operations guys aren't good at crime necessarily because they work

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Speaker 1: inside an institution. Um. They they are not career criminals,

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Speaker 1: and so when they try to go and do crime,

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Speaker 1: they fuck it up. Um. And he brought it up

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Speaker 1: an example of some support guys working for the Seals

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Speaker 1: who did a robbery. I have no knowledge of this myself,

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Speaker 1: off but he said they like went robbed a bank

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Speaker 1: in Virginia with suppressed MP five's right out of the armory.

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Speaker 1: It's like, okay, it's pretty obvious. And then he said

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Speaker 1: their language yeah yeah, or like when you execute a

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Speaker 1: crime like that and it's with military precision. M hmm.

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Speaker 1: I wonder who that was. And like I brought up

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Speaker 1: the subject of the second Ranger of Battalion guys who

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Speaker 1: robbed the bank, and it's like, huh, right outside the base,

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Speaker 1: we're second Ranger Battalion is stationed, and these guys, we're

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Speaker 1: very precise and seemed like their actions were rehearsed. And

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Speaker 1: you know, okay, who who who could that have been? Um?

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Speaker 1: So no, I I thought the film was pretty good. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, some people have problems with it because they want,

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Speaker 1: you know, the straight up like heroic adventure. But I

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Speaker 1: thought it was kind of true uh, true to life.

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Speaker 1: Like I watched it and I was like, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: could see it going down like that more or less.

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Speaker 1: You know. Um, there's another heist movie out um or

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Speaker 1: I think it's out, uh, the one with the guy

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Speaker 1: from Strike Back where he's a seal in Bosnia and

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Speaker 1: they they're trying to steal Nazi gold out of the

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Speaker 1: bottom of this lake. I gotta check and see if

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Speaker 1: that movie is out. I want to watch it. That

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Speaker 1: one looks like it's more lighthearted, uh, you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of a fun tone to it. But um, I'm okay

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Speaker 1: watching those fictional movies like I get a kick out

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Speaker 1: of them. It's the ones that like try to be real,

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Speaker 1: like Sacario, Like they're trying to sell it to you, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is this is real, this is how it is,

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Speaker 1: and this is how it would go down Like that.

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Speaker 1: Stuff just gets fucking silly to me. Um. It takes

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Speaker 1: itself a little too seriously maybe, um, But no, I

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Speaker 1: liked it. You should go check it out. Yeah, alright,

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Speaker 1: so check that out. As always emails soft Rep dot

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Speaker 1: Radio at soft rerep dot com. We'll try to get

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Speaker 1: to what we can and next episode we have Joe

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Speaker 1: la fav coming on. I'm very excited because we're gonna

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Speaker 1: do an episode all about the Oklahoma City bombing, which

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Speaker 1: is a subject that has always fascinated me. I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: knowledgeable about Tim McVeigh. Read the book American Terrorist about

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Speaker 1: Tim McVeigh. I've seen a few documentaries, including the documentary

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Speaker 1: that was done kind of shortly after the bombing, about

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Speaker 1: the idea of a John Doe number two as they

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Speaker 1: called it, because originally John Doe number one was Tim McVeigh,

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Speaker 1: and there was another person that they said assisted him,

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Speaker 1: Terry Nichols, was of course at home, he wasn't actually there,

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Speaker 1: so he was the first person they made contact with. UM,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about that conspiracy, which I

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Speaker 1: do think is purely a conspiracy. And uh, and that

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Speaker 1: was kind of cemented in the Oklahoma City documentary that's

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Speaker 1: on Netflix that Mark potok and Southern Poverty Law Center did.

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Speaker 1: I went into it, knowing him in Southern Poverty Law Center,

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Speaker 1: expecting a little bit of a slant, which you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe slightly, but I thought it was actually pretty accurate. Um.

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Speaker 1: Of course they do talk about the white supremacist angle

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Speaker 1: of things, which, uh, Tim McVey I don't believe, based

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Speaker 1: on what I've read, was a white supremacist, but he

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Speaker 1: met with those types of people at gun shows and

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Speaker 1: he was anti government, right for sure. Yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: his thing. And I think that those type of people

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Speaker 1: congregated between gun shows and then when Waco happened and

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Speaker 1: Ruby Ridge, all of these things basically got uh anti

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Speaker 1: government groups to come together, and Tim McVeigh was one

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Speaker 1: of those people who felt very disenfranchised after his time

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Speaker 1: in the military. Um And you know, I'm interested in

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Speaker 1: talking about it because the interesting thing about Tim McVeigh is,

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Speaker 1: unlike a lot of people that you hear about who

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Speaker 1: do these horrific acts, I don't think he was a

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01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 1: crazy person or you know, that he was someone who's

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01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:47,880
Speaker 1: mentally unstable. I think he probably it's crazy to say,

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01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:49,640
Speaker 1: but if he never joined the military, I don't think

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01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 1: he would have done anything like this, and he probably had,

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01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 1: you know, it's from the things he saw. He acted

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01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 1: extremely irrationally and did something horrific. And of course there's

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Speaker 1: no excusing what he did and the children who were killed.

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01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:05,679
Speaker 1: But I don't think he was a crazy person. Yeah,

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01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely a mistake to just jump to

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01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:13,800
Speaker 1: the conclusion that the person is crazy. Um And I mean,

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01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:15,679
Speaker 1: and there's a whole there's a whole other like Little

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01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,120
Speaker 1: Rant I could go into and I probably haven't before,

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Speaker 1: UM about you know, the Nazis and the Holocaust, And

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01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 1: it's a big mistake to think these people were all psychopaths.

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Speaker 1: They're all insane. A lot of them were normal people,

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Speaker 1: and that's what's really scary about it. Yeah, and and

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Speaker 1: connecting with Oklahoma City, as I said, is of course

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Speaker 1: what happened in Waco with David Koresh, and I've I've

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Speaker 1: also read about that. I read the book A Place

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01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 1: called Waco by David Thibodau, and David was a member

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Speaker 1: of you know, the cult. He was in David Koresh's band,

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01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 1: met David guitar center and Uh, it's really to me

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01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 1: fascinating learning about these things. So it's always a topic

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Speaker 1: that's interested me. So we'll have to get into that.

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Speaker 1: And I think mcveigh's service in the Gulf War and

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01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 1: how he became en franchised with the United States is well,

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01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 1: we'll have to talk about that stuff. And then not

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Speaker 1: as you know, not becoming a ranger. He was a

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Speaker 1: guy who wanted did he want to be a ranger?

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Speaker 1: Because I know he went to Special Forces Assessment selection

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01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 1: that might be yeah, yeah, he went and he wanted

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01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 1: to be a Green Beret. Okay, so I could have

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01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:20,800
Speaker 1: that wrong. And uh, when I when I went to

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Speaker 1: s F A S. The psychologist was talking about it. Um,

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Speaker 1: because they administered psycho vals to you in the course,

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Speaker 1: in the in the selection screening. And he said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we still have mcveigh's test on record. Wow. And he said,

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Speaker 1: if you go and look at it, you can tell

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01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 1: there's something off about the guy. And if I remember correctly,

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Speaker 1: because I just saw it the Netflix documentary, I don't

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Speaker 1: think he physically was able to get through it. Either

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Speaker 1: I can't remember if he got dropped or if he

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Speaker 1: was a non select. At the end. I think he

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Speaker 1: was a nons But because if he's a non select,

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01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 1: that's interesting because it means physically he was able to

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Speaker 1: go through the entire course, but then they saw something

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Speaker 1: in either the instructors a tesked him that he would

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01:38:01,479 --> 01:38:04,439
Speaker 1: not be a good fit. That they saw either he

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01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:07,040
Speaker 1: wasn't a good team player, or something popped up in

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Speaker 1: that psychological exam that was a red flag. Um, So

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Speaker 1: if he was a non select, that's very interesting and

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01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 1: it well that actually would also imply that you know,

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01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 1: the s f a S process is good, it works.

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01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:21,519
Speaker 1: You know that they did their job and screening him

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01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 1: out here we go, all right, So this is from

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Speaker 1: the Chicago Tribune. McVeigh left the Gulf in April, a

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Speaker 1: month before his comrades, because he won a place in

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Speaker 1: the Special Forces Assessment Selection course at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: On the second day of the tryout, McVeigh Withdrew, so

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Speaker 1: he he voluntarily dropped out. You couldn't hack it, And

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01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:44,080
Speaker 1: I think it was the you know, physically he couldn't.

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Speaker 1: He couldn't do it. Sounds like which, By the way,

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Speaker 1: I just started reading your book. So he's kind of

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01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:51,439
Speaker 1: one of those guys that you talk about where they say,

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01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 1: you know, if you wanted you've talked about on the show.

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01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 1: You know, you can leave now, and guys started leaving.

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01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 1: You can quit now and still be a good American.

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Speaker 1: You go to another unit. I just started it, so

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Speaker 1: I'm just, you know, very early into the book. But

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Speaker 1: it's it's good so far. Yeah, you know, I want

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Speaker 1: people to check it out. The Yeah, my book moves

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Speaker 1: pretty quick. I don't, like I was saying before, I

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Speaker 1: don't spend a lot of time telling like basic training stories.

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Speaker 1: I think by like page ten, I'm in Ranger indoctrination.

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01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:20,519
Speaker 1: By page twenty, I'm in Afghanistan. Yeah. Yeah, it moves

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01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 1: right along. Yeah, exactly, Because I'm early on and you're

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01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:25,880
Speaker 1: already you know, they're doing all that. So yeah, I'm

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01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 1: looking forward to getting really deep into it and finishing it.

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01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:32,160
Speaker 1: I just finished before that Carmen Genteel's book, which I

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01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:35,759
Speaker 1: would recommend. Its good. Yeah. I went into the studio

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Speaker 1: yesterday and did pick ups for the audio book, so

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Speaker 1: the audio book should be totally done for for my

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01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 1: memoir from Murphy's Law. Um, and I had a meeting,

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01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 1: uh with the publicity people at Simon and Schuster, so

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01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 1: they're already gearing up for all of that. Um. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's all coming together excellent. So at SOFTWAREP Radio on

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