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Speaker 1: our conversation. So we see episode eight open with Esa

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Speaker 1: sheets because yes, of course, she says, which I also love.

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Speaker 1: then he suggests like, oh, maybe we should move in

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Speaker 1: save on rent kind of thing, and she's like, huh,

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Speaker 1: that really interesting because again, you don't get like clear timelines.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not sure, like how far we are from

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Speaker 1: we even in the timeline of them starting their relationship again.

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Speaker 1: I know that we are some weeks from them from

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Speaker 1: Some I'm just like, but some weeks means what exactly exactly?

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Speaker 1: Some week like then I'm thinking three, because you didn't

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Speaker 1: know that when I say, yeah, some weeks ago, that

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. But either way, we know it

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Speaker 1: sliding and deciding. I'm sure you've heard of that, right,

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Speaker 1: And I am really proud that Lisa didn't like immediately

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Speaker 1: your gut alone. So I kind of we already see

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00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: that she has a capacity for planning and that she

431
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: has the capacity to build a team that would be

432
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: able to support her and being able to do that work.

433
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: So I don't see why she would need to choose

434
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 1: between n b W or Crunshawn. I think that she

435
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 1: can have a both and M yeah, I mean, and

436
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: that's the beauty of negotiation, right Like, So she already

437
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: has the offer from n b W in hand, so

438
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: there's no reason why she couldn't play ball with them.

439
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: And also Cringshawn and say, you know, like I can

440
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: work with both of you only if I can't work

441
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 1: with both of you, right, Like, I don't want to

442
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 1: have to choose both of these pieces of the work

443
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: are important to me. Now, unless Lawrence and Nathan are

444
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: into Polly, She's probably gonna have to choose there. That's right.

445
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: There's gonna have to be a choice there, probably between them.

446
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: The choice is about her, yes, just like where do

447
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: you want to be? Because it's very easy to get

448
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: nostalgic to be like I should be with Lawrence because

449
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 1: we were together for so long and we tried again

450
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: and maybe the third time charm and we had these

451
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: thoughts of things like that. I don't talk of that.

452
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: A lot of TV shows actually do show us this

453
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: idea of this boomerang love. They just boomerang and boomerang

454
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 1: and boomerang and eventually you'll end up together. It was

455
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: one of the principles that was going on and living

456
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: single with Kadija and Scooty Pooty. We end up learning

457
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 1: that sort of thing there. I mean, even Derek and Meredith.

458
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: I mean it was boomerang. And I think that we

459
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: get used to this idea, or we get to thinking

460
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: that if it boomerangs back, that's what we're supposed to do.

461
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: When that may not be your reality, that you don't

462
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: have to boomerang back. You can actually just say no,

463
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: I'm I'm straight, I'm gonna I'm gonna keep moving forward.

464
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: I think that maybe there are unfinished conversations with Lawrence

465
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: that she may want to have, but I also don't

466
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: think that is necessary for any type of closure. I

467
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: think that we check ourselves and the thing that we

468
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: need to talk to this X in order to have closure.

469
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: I'm looking like, up, No, that's the setup, because what

470
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 1: are you really looking for there? Yes? Right, yeah, let's

471
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: stay with the conversation around Lawrence and Nathan. It feels

472
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 1: in my mind, it feels like her heart really wants Lawrence.

473
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: It feels like there was so much unfinished business there,

474
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: like we saw them in season four have like this

475
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,479
Speaker 1: reconnection and getting back on the same page before we

476
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: find out that Gondola is pregnant, and so it definitely

477
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: feels like there was some unfinished business there, like they

478
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: try to make it work but it just couldn't given

479
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: the logistics or whatever. So I feel like her heart

480
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: still wants to explore what could happen with Lawrence. But

481
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,239
Speaker 1: at this point, it feels like Nathan looks better on

482
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 1: paper in terms of the way he supports her. You know,

483
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 1: it really feels like professionally he's there for her. He

484
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: has I think, really helped her to step out of

485
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: her comfort zone and affirmed her to say you can

486
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: do this and been there, you know, to pick her up.

487
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: And so I feel like Nathan just makes more sense

488
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: right now. But I don't know that her heart ever

489
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: really checked out from Lawrence where I think that's part

490
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: of what worries me. I think there's a piece of

491
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 1: me that's trying to look at him at a this,

492
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: and a part of me that's really in it, and

493
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: the part that's really and it's like, don't go back, girl.

494
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: I find that I might be team Nathan, I might

495
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,959
Speaker 1: be Nathing. I mean really, I'm team Issa, and I

496
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: want Issa to go with the thing that feels right

497
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: for her. And we know that she could have this

498
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: whole squirrel conversation with Lawrence too. I think that it's

499
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: now not just a conversation of do I love this person?

500
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: Because I think that it is very easy for us

501
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: to be in a space of I have to go

502
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: with my feelings, and my feelings are telling me to

503
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: do X, and I'm just like, actually, your feelings are

504
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: just letting you know what's going on for you about

505
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 1: a situation. It does not say go do anything. So

506
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm just like, the fact is Lance has a child,

507
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: The fact is he will always be connected with Gondola. Yes,

508
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: he is also now back in l A, which makes

509
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,719
Speaker 1: him now more geographically desirable. But for me, I'm just like,

510
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: are you prepared to be somebody's mother? Is that even

511
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: the direction that you want your life to go in,

512
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: because yeah, because none of those dream sequences included not

513
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 1: very kid. So I'm just like, well, I think that

514
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: it is commendable to be able to note that you

515
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: still have feelings, and I think that sometimes feelings it's

516
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: not a faucet. You can't just turn it on and

517
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: turn it off when the mood suits you. But I

518
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: do believe that we still get choice, and that just

519
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: because you don't choose the thing that you might secretly want,

520
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that the thing that you have is

521
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: any less important to you. It is just another thing

522
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: that you want. Yeah, So you know, the conversation we

523
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: were having was again how do you choose or do

524
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: you choose or is it a combination head versus heart.

525
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: So if my head is saying like, okay, Nathan is

526
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 1: the choice, but my heart says Lawrence is the choice,

527
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: is there like, how do you make a decision about

528
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: moving forward? You got some more time passed? And I

529
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: said that you let some more time passed because one

530
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: thing that we do know about emotions, and they're fleeting

531
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: an emotion last, but so long unless you feed into

532
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: it and how you're feeding into it and what sort

533
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: of narrative are you creating around it? Is this something

534
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: that you're thinking that you want as well as something

535
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: that you're feeling that you want. Are you in or

536
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: out of alignment? And for me, I would usually make

537
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: some people feel like, pause, okay, let's write down what

538
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: your values are and which person or what values do

539
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: you believe these other people exhibit that feel in alignment

540
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: or out of alignment with you? And for you, granted,

541
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: a pro calm list is not very telling in the

542
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: end of the day, because you can have equal pros

543
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: and cons for both of them, right, that's not gonna

544
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: necessarily help make their decision exactly. And there are pros

545
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: and cons for both of them. I think that if

546
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: it is a question of trying to figure out what

547
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: to do next, maybe she needs to actually date both

548
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: of them, if they're willing participants as well, and explore

549
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: that more in depth. Yeah, there's a piece of me

550
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: that feels like Nathan would not be going for like

551
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: that back sliding open the door to Lawrence again because

552
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: like he's already been there, Like why would he sign

553
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: up for that again? Yea, and the fans. I couldn't

554
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: say that. I blame him, not at all. So back

555
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: to the conversation around sellout versus community focus, I guess

556
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: kind of binary that it seems like they set up

557
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know like where that came from, and it

558
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: feels like a lot of it is spurred by, like

559
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: cringe on the commentary he had. But I do think

560
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: that this is something that a lot of people struggle with.

561
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: Do you take a job at a nonprofit maybe in

562
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: your community versus working with a fortune company, you know,

563
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: And so the commentary or their feedback that Molly gave

564
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: her around like in your heart, you know probably what

565
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: you want to do. You just got to own your

566
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: decision and go with it, But what were your thought

567
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: It's around this like heart centered, community focused work and

568
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: still like be able to support yourself and like take

569
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: care of yourself and have like a nice apartment. I

570
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: think that we have created a buying everywhere one should

571
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: not exist where it's either you're making money or you're

572
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: making a difference. And I'm just like, who did that?

573
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: Because it's bs even the words that were sort of

574
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: used in it, right like in the first fantasies, Oh

575
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: you ain't done nothing in m l A. But it's

576
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: always home or the tirelessly working that Tyra Banks was

577
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: given us as the mayor and just like it is

578
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: your key to the city. So she's being commended for

579
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: tirelessly working. And why is it that we are constantly

580
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: in a space of wanting black women have to be

581
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: in a space of constant tireless work. What is cute

582
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: about that? Like she's tirelessly working and making such a

583
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: difference in her community, but not a difference in her life.

584
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: Still has a full time job to be able to

585
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: supplement the other work that she's doing. How was that? Okay?

586
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 1: Why is this a narrative that we keep giving to

587
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: ourselves or that we keep saying is the one true narrative.

588
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying that she can cherry pick. Life

589
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: is not on the binary of your sellout or you're

590
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: helping your community, because you can certainly do both. Joy

591
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: you're doing both. I think I'm doing both. I think

592
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: that there is a way to help your community and

593
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: not have to work tirelessly in order to do so.

594
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: I agree. I really feel like cring Shawn's character, really,

595
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: the whole point of him has been introduced. That whole

596
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: conversation right around. You know, he's trying to make some money.

597
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: So let's be clear, listen, Okay, I'm like, for art's sake,

598
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: it sounds good in theory, but it looks like how

599
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: are you gonna eat, how you're gonna make brant, how

600
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna put closes a back? That's what it looks

601
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: like art for the purest reasons. I don't sell my art.

602
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: There's no business plan. I just do my art. I

603
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: was like, okay, and I think that we get too

604
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: caught up and taking care of others, and I feel

605
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: like moving on to Crenshahn is taking care of somebody else.

606
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: M hmmm, right, because that was not an idea she originated,

607
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: at least not after their relationship had so houred. No,

608
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: he introduced the entire concept of selling out. And I

609
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: think that it become full circle that if she said no,

610
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: just like you're a pretty young thing when you're walking

611
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: down the street, right, Oh excuse me, Oh you're so fine,

612
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: you're so beautiful. Oh no, no, thank you. Oh well

613
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: you're stupid. Bit quickly with this turn, and to see,

614
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: I knew you wouldn't sellout. M M. I knew you

615
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: wasn't about the community because I'm looking like he's added

616
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: no additional evidence that he has seen that what she

617
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: is doing is rooted in the community. Just I see

618
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: what you're doing in the community. I'm looking like, baby,

619
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: you was a community. You've seen it first, Right, how

620
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: did you get involved? I feel like one reeks of sacrifice?

621
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: And I think that the way that it was presented

622
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: to us was intentionally reductive. Right, you're either a sellout

623
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: or you are a person who tirelessly sacrifices. And I

624
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: think which is so interesting because I feel like Issa herself,

625
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: not the carecter, Issa Ray, is also an example of

626
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: doing both. Like she has made this entire world for

627
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: herself and put all our people on right, you know.

628
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: So I feel like it's interesting. I wonder if that's

629
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: something internally. She's also had criticism about her that she

630
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 1: struggled with, because I feel like she's a shining example

631
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: of how you can actually do both. Absolutely. I think

632
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: that again that either or this binary is an illusion

633
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: that we need to let go of. It is more

634
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: chances than not. Like what Molly said there towards the end,

635
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: that is probably going to land somewhere in the middle.

636
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, I agree. And it is no wrong answer either.

637
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: It's about whether or not you think you are wrong

638
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: in your answer. Yes. So, speaking of Molly, so that

639
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: is the other larger story line we have going on.

640
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: We see there still like this open conversation with trying

641
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: to get her parents to get there stay planning done

642
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: in the will, and so Kelly offers to be involved.

643
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: It sounds like that's at least a piece of maybe

644
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: what she does as an accountant. And so she comes

645
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: over to their house and has all these conversations with them.

646
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: And we haven't really talked here on the podcast since

647
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: we saw Molly's mom have the stroke, and so I

648
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on just how you have

649
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: seen Molly show up in these past couple of episodes

650
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: and what we saw of her in this most recent episode.

651
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: I feel like we saw her trying to do it all,

652
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: to be in her emotions and be at work all

653
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: at the same time. And I think that we also

654
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: saw that there was a breaking point, there was a

655
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: show of vulnerability where she was able to be like, look,

656
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: there are things going on personally at home, and to

657
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: be able to note that and to accept help because

658
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 1: so many of us are so very worried about whether

659
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: or not we are a burden that in reality and

660
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,479
Speaker 1: I I said, this is one of my clients today.

661
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: I was just like, and what are you robbing people

662
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: of the opportunity for because we are so caught up

663
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: in being a burden that we've made a decision in

664
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: somebody else's home. Remember what I said, boundaries are for

665
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: you to set in your garden, in your space. You

666
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: don't get to set boundaries and someone else's space. And

667
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: a lot of us that's exactly what we do when

668
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: we have named ourselves burden in their eyes, on their

669
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: behalf and then said I'm gonna keep all my steps

670
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: to myself and work it out by myself, when most

671
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: times they just want the opportunity to be there and

672
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: to support you, probably in the very same way that

673
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: you already do for them. That's all they're looking for.

674
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: More From my conversation with Dr Oriole after the break, yeah,

675
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: so again we hadn't talked about this introduction of the

676
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: Torrian love story that it seems like it's blooming there.

677
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: On one hand, I do really appreciate that he has

678
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: been there like for her to push this vulnerability right.

679
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: You know, it sounds like he had a similar kind

680
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: of experience with his family, and so I think she

681
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: felt very comfortable talking with him and for the first

682
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: time felt okay, I can take this mask off at

683
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: work and let people know that I'm struggling. And so

684
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: of course, you know, they kind of bonded over that.

685
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: But I do have some concerns around love in the workplace,

686
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: and I do believe I don't know if he's like

687
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: her boss, but he is definitely like more senior in

688
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: the firm, and so that gives me some pause around like, okay,

689
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: would this relationship actually be okay? Even though clearly like

690
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: the friendship that they're developing is very healthy. It looks like, yeah,

691
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: it does look really healthy. I think that I try

692
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: to be careful around all the spaces that social constructs

693
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 1: get to rule our lives, because even in the workplace,

694
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: the idea of the higher archy as a social construct.

695
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that we are not affected by

696
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: the social construct, but that I'm just like, she could

697
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: get a job tomorrow, she can move somewhere else tomorrow,

698
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: she can start her home firm tomorrow. Yes, she could

699
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: do the same, and he could do the same. They

700
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: could decide that they want to start something together, or

701
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: that they don't want to work in the same place

702
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: because they want to be in a relationship together. Or

703
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: they could be like all these lovely couples off Gray's

704
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: Anatomy who worked there, ma'am that's a mess. But there's

705
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: just so many ways that this can, you know, ultimately

706
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: play out. I personally don't like the power play and

707
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: those type of relationships were okay, but you're you seem

708
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: to be my boss in this situation. But at the

709
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: same time, most relationships do have a power dynamic in

710
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: it anyway. It's just whether or not we call it

711
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: what it is and deal with it. This used to

712
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: go along with the theme that you have been talking

713
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: about this whole episod. So it again a binary right

714
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 1: do they date or not? Or is there some gray

715
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: area where maybe they are dating but not actually working

716
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: together anymore in a way that still feels fair and

717
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 1: thriving for both of them. And I feel like what

718
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: Molly an Toorian are doing, I feel like they're exploring

719
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 1: it and they also seem to be taking their time,

720
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: And I think the most beautiful part for me is

721
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: when she was able to just be like, actually, I'm

722
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: tired boundary. Yes, yes. I was also really proud of

723
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: her in that moment, because you know, old Molly would

724
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: have just pushed through it and like showed up for

725
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: the date. I really appreciated that she was able to say,

726
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: you know, I had a really tough date with my

727
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: parents and I just don't feel like i'd be very

728
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: fun to be around, which allowed him to step in

729
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: and then we see him make this beautiful gesture of

730
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: wings and wine, which I mean, can you really get

731
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: any better than that? So me personally, if you if

732
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: you give me food, we go together. So I'm just like, oh,

733
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: I didn't know we was in a relationship. Thank you.

734
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: Now I'm not my man. Now we go together. So

735
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, I like the piece of being

736
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: able to say, hey, I have a need to be

737
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: by myself. This is my boundary. I can't I'm not

738
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: in the right friend of mine. I don't have the

739
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: time to space with a capacity. And basically what I

740
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: got from him is, thank you for setting your boundary,

741
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: and now I know that in the future you will

742
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: continue to do so. Yes, and that's what. Let me

743
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: also show you that I care by like offering this gesture.

744
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: Let me also give you your space, but that you

745
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: know that I'm still there in the background. I'm trying

746
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: my best not to give too many accolades, because he

747
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: saw her as a whole person. I respected her boundaries.

748
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: And I say that because oftentimes we are giving people

749
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: accolades and trophies for basic ship. Minimum works. Good question,

750
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: you respect that somebody's boundaries is really bare minimum ship.

751
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: But the part that was a little bit more than

752
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: the bare minimum was the text was the sending a

753
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: food food and really being there, but not being there,

754
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: not disrespecting her request for space, because I think that

755
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: sometimes people will just show up at your house with it.

756
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: I was about to say he could have just shown

757
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: up and that would have been like him inserting himself

758
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: when she said she wanted space for herself. But he

759
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: did not do that, and I do appreciate. Right it

760
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: goes back into the same binary thinking like is it

761
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: time alone or time with dude? And I'm just like,

762
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: this was a beautiful gray space. M So we saw

763
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: the preview I guess the next week's episode and we

764
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: see now that Tiffany and Derek, it sounds like, have

765
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: decided they're moving to Denver, and so we are seeing

766
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: they are having a going away party, and we see

767
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: conversations with Lawrence and Chad around whether he's gonna go

768
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: because he's is gonna be there, and Chad asked, you know, like,

769
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: well she offered, you didn't fight for her, so it's

770
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: done right. So we see that there's gonna be some conversation,

771
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: some thought around like do we want to be in

772
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: the same space together? How awkward is this gonna be?

773
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: And we also now know that this is gonna be

774
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: the opportunity with which she starts to further think about like, Okay,

775
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: is there something still left unsaid or undone with Lawrence.

776
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: I don't really know what I would want to see

777
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: from this, see her move into something with Lawrence, or

778
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: see her clothes something out with Lawrence. Maybe she ends

779
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: up saying by the end of the episode, I have

780
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: no idea, So I haven't paying attention to, you know,

781
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: just kind of some of the sentiment from people about

782
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: this season in terms of feeling like it's moving very slow,

783
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: and like I think some people have felt like there

784
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: has not been enough moving the story forward with some

785
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: of these episodes, and it definitely feels like low drama

786
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: right especially compared to like some previous seasons. But I

787
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: don't know that I'm disappointed with like the way that

788
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: it's moving. But I also don't know that we're gonna

789
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: get like any kind of happy ending or neat bowl

790
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: in episode ten. How are you feeling? I am feeling

791
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: much of the same. I think that it's going to

792
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: be one of those things where you sort of left

793
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: wondering more than anything, and I think that that's an

794
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: okay place to be. I think that we have to

795
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: realize and remember that sometimes things end and they are

796
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: not resolved, that they're not so called finished, and it

797
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: actually sort of brings to mind. I've read The Birth

798
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: the Fault in Our Stars sometime ago, and I revisited

799
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: it over the Thanksgiving holiday, and there is a book

800
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: that she's reading in the book where the main character

801
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: that book probably dies or whatever in the middle of

802
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: a sentence and the book is finished, and I'm just like, well,

803
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: that's life. That's life. Sometimes it ends and it is

804
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: not going to be wrapped up in some pretty ass boat,

805
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: and some of us we just need to learn how

806
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: to get on with that. It also feels like that

807
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: kind of ending would be very fitting for this show,

808
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: as frustrating as it might be, because of course we

809
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: want to know, like what's happening. It feels like that

810
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: kind of ending would be very apropos for Insecure, because

811
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we've gotten are used to the oh,

812
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: and they lived happily ever after, however it likes to

813
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: play out. I also think that a lot of us

814
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 1: high key are into drama. Drama, so yeah, this season

815
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: feels slow because we love drama. We are all into

816
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: the tea of all the drama, and that the best

817
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: parts for us are the drama filled parts. And sometimes

818
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I don't know that we know how

819
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: to be without the drama. I love seeing like her

820
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,959
Speaker 1: and her girls right in like the slower moments, even

821
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: though it doesn't necessarily translate into like action and like

822
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: excitement on screen. I think it felt very tender. I

823
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: think in a lot of ways. Yeah, I think that

824
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: there's no need for it to drive the story forward

825
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: per se. I think that it's more of a do

826
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: you know how to be in this space? Breathe into

827
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: that space if it holds parallels to your life, and

828
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: a lot of us see our lives in this well,

829
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: how are you able to breathe into space? How are

830
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: you able to be okay that there is a big

831
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: ass song and dance, it's just you live in life.

832
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: Were into the drama, We're into the big finales and destinations.

833
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: We're not into the journey, which can actually be peaceful

834
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: and restive. It's like the idea that you have to

835
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: suffer for your art, or that if it came easy,

836
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: then you must have done it wrong or it wasn't

837
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: the right thing for you to do. And I think

838
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: that sometimes some things in life are just that they're

839
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: just easy, and you do get to just breathe into it.

840
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: And be present with it and love on it and

841
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: let it love on you. And I feel like for

842
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: some of us we have friendships that are like that,

843
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: the easiest breathing and it doesn't make them less valuable

844
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: because there's no drama. Look at you always coming through

845
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: with a good word for us to think about. So

846
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: we do have the two more episodes, so we will

847
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: convene again, probably after the finale, to kind of figure

848
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: out what has happened, share our thoughts on the wrapping

849
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: up of one of my favorite shows. See how y'all

850
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: are feeling. If there are things that you you know,

851
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: have thoughts about, definitely let us know, share there with

852
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: us on social media because we are tuning in and

853
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: just stay tuned for our finale thoughts in a couple

854
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: of weeks. Why I'm so glad Dr Orio Wall was

855
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: able to join me again to chat about the show.

856
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: Be sure to visit the show notes at Therapy for

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