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Speaker 1: Home Solar Studio. Let's get the podcast started. Welcome into

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Speaker 1: another edition of the Colts Official Podcast, presented by wind Bat.

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Speaker 1: I'm jj Stankmitz back in the host chair for our

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Speaker 1: friend Jeffrey Gorman. This week. On today's pod, I'm joined

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Speaker 1: by Lara Overton and Matt Taylor here at the NFL

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Speaker 1: Combine in the Indianapolis Convention Center as we download Chris

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Speaker 1: Ballard's press conference, then what we heard today on Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: and what it means for the Colts moving forward. Later

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Speaker 1: look at everything you'll see happening in Indianapolis this week.

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Speaker 1: Throughout a couple of names for the Colts to look

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Speaker 1: at in the NFL draft. Really good stuff later in

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Before we begin, though, please remember to rate, review,

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Speaker 1: your earballs, Mate and Lara, we are back. We are

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Speaker 1: back in downtown Indie. It feels like took you no

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Speaker 1: time to get earballs and there was It's it's my

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Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna make it Lara's favorite work in

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Speaker 1: old friends, getting crap from people on the Bears beat.

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Speaker 1: Because I asked Matt Eberflus a question about Frank Reich,

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Speaker 1: talking to the offense. Really good answer from Addie Reflus

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Speaker 1: on debt. But well, mate, and I are relationships in

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Speaker 1: a change from Carson Wentz. He's not going to be overreactive.

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Speaker 1: as of a couple weeks ago, t Y Hilton told

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Speaker 1: him he wants to play in twenty twenty two. So

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Speaker 1: let's just kind of throw that back out there, Jack Doyle,

433
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Speaker 1: we don't know yet, but that I thought that was

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Speaker 1: interesting too. And Chris reinforced that he thinks t Y

435
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Speaker 1: still has good football left in him, and he said

436
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Speaker 1: the injury was really unfortunate. But the thing that gives

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Speaker 1: t Y some longevity in this latter part of his

438
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Speaker 1: career is Chris order that he's one of these smartest

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Speaker 1: football players that he has ever been around. Yes, very cerebral.

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Speaker 1: So that is going to produce some intrigue behind with

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Speaker 1: the Colts. How that the Colts explore t Y Hilton

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Speaker 1: and how other teams explore the possibility. We know that

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Speaker 1: there was interest from other teams at this point last

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Speaker 1: year before Ty decided to return and the agreement was

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Speaker 1: made for him to come back to the Colts for

446
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Speaker 1: a tenth season, so that was interesting. We don't know

447
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Speaker 1: Jack's outcome, but Chris reinforced one of the things when

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Speaker 1: we're talking about weapons, He's still really believes in Paris

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Speaker 1: Campbell really believes in Paris Campbell. Paris has been around,

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Speaker 1: he's been training. We know that he's been within the facility.

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Speaker 1: We have seen him. Congratulations to Paris and his wife.

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Speaker 1: They just welcomed a daughter a week or two ago,

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Speaker 1: so he's, you know, kind of been doing all of that.

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Speaker 1: And in addition to investing in his rehab and come

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Speaker 1: back from that injury, they're going to be there's the

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Speaker 1: potential for a lot of big moves to be made,

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Speaker 1: adding at those critical positions to support whatever quarterback, whether

458
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Speaker 1: it's Carson Wentz or not, you've got to bring in

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Speaker 1: more help, especially in your receiving game. I think Paris

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Speaker 1: Campbell can absolutely be at worst of three. I mean,

461
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Speaker 1: the moments you saw him, I mean it was incredible.

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Speaker 1: He was making that guy makes place. He has definitely

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Speaker 1: shown flashes. But as we just looked it up before

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Speaker 1: the podcast, the problem is he's missed thirty five games

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Speaker 1: in three years. So I don't know how you can

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Speaker 1: objectively rely on that production and it's not a shot.

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Speaker 1: It's not a shot at Paris, it's just reality. He's

468
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Speaker 1: been so unfortunate as far as injuries are concerned, that

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Speaker 1: you just don't know definitively what he can be because

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Speaker 1: he's averaging five games a season so far in his

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Speaker 1: NFL career. I mean the Colts have, yeah, that've got

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Speaker 1: three I think bonafide playmakers on their offense, the guys

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Speaker 1: that we just talked about. But I think the issue

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Speaker 1: then wise in Ashton Dolan, Desmond Patman, Mike Strown. These

475
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Speaker 1: are all guys you feel Zach past grantson it becomes

476
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Speaker 1: better Pascal, that is, if he comes back in free agency.

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Speaker 1: You've got guys with a ton of upside in some

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Speaker 1: of their cases, in small sample sizes, you've seen what

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Speaker 1: they can do. I think Ashton Dolan is a guy

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Speaker 1: that's deserving of a bigger role. Same thing with Desmond Patman.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, how much of

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Speaker 1: a gamble is it gonna be throwing those guys into

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Speaker 1: bigger roles and counting on Desmond Patman to get seven

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Speaker 1: hundred yards, counting on Ashton Dolan to get five hundred yards.

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Speaker 1: We just don't know the sort of that question. And

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Speaker 1: Chris Ballard's pretty confident in that group. But you know,

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Speaker 1: confidence on paper obviously doesn't always translate to what it

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Speaker 1: needs to be. You know, in the box score at

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Speaker 1: the end of a seventeen game season, it stuck a

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Speaker 1: little on the defensive side of the ball. Just before

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Speaker 1: we kind of wrap up here and then move on

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Speaker 1: to Eric Edholm, and you know, Chris Ballard said, you know,

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Speaker 1: about the defensive line, they do need to kind of

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Speaker 1: overhaul that position group again he said, need more pass rush,

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Speaker 1: need more pass rush, which I think we all know. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think Gus Bradley's scheme still lends itself to generating

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Speaker 1: some more of that, especially for a guy like Quiddy Pay,

498
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Speaker 1: a guy like Dioa Dangbo. But you know, talking about that,

499
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Speaker 1: there are a bunch of free agents coming out of

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Speaker 1: that defensive line room. You know, Kimoco Terray, who we

501
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Speaker 1: talked about on the podcast, you and Lara and Bill

502
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Speaker 1: talked about in the podcast you can listen to on

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Speaker 1: the Colts Audio Network in your feed. Al Kadeen Muhammad,

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Speaker 1: Isaac Rochelle Lewis, you know, and Taikwon Lewis a guy

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Speaker 1: who Chris Ballard, every time he has a chance to

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Speaker 1: go back, goes out of his way to mention Taekwon Lewis.

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Speaker 1: He does, Yeah, he loves. That's important to know because

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Speaker 1: he very much values Taekwon Lewis. And when he got hurt,

509
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Speaker 1: that definitely hurt the Colts defensive line depth. But you

510
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Speaker 1: think about that position group and maybe what needs to

511
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Speaker 1: be done there didn't really get an indication of where

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Speaker 1: that might come from, whether it's the draft, whether it's

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Speaker 1: free agency, but just kind of reinforcing that, yes, that

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Speaker 1: is a group that needs to be better on that

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Speaker 1: side of the ball. Well, they had thirty three sacks

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Speaker 1: this past season. That was their fewest since twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: A year ago they were twelfth, and sacks this past

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Speaker 1: season they went from twelfth to twenty fifth. So, however

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Speaker 1: you want to look at it, they definitely gambled right right, No,

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Speaker 1: denyko Autrey didn't resign justin Houston. They gambled and counted

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Speaker 1: on that young core that that committee, if you will,

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Speaker 1: of pass rushers to get the job done as a group.

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Speaker 1: And now some of that committee is up in free

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Speaker 1: agency and you don't know how many or who is

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Speaker 1: going to come back, because I think Terray, as we

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Speaker 1: talked about, I think has the best just natural burst

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Speaker 1: get off, especially on third down than anybody else on

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Speaker 1: that defensive line. So I think from that standpoint, he

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Speaker 1: is worth a look at bringing back on a short term,

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Speaker 1: prove it deal because he's battled his fair share amount

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Speaker 1: of injuries as well what he pays coming off year

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Speaker 1: one Diowa Dangbo's coming off year point five because he

533
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Speaker 1: was on pup for most of the season. I personally

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Speaker 1: think that the Colts will make a decently strong push

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Speaker 1: to solidify this pass rush group with a veteran free

536
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Speaker 1: agent because he talked about that. Chris Ballard talked at

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Speaker 1: the end of the season that maybe I should have

538
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Speaker 1: bolstered that unit was someone that was proven as a veteran.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna obviously go outside of their

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Speaker 1: general principles of overpaying and overspending, no matter where it

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Speaker 1: is in relation to the start of free agency, or

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Speaker 1: maybe they wait a month, But I think the Colts

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Speaker 1: will be interested, very interested and bringing in somebody they

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Speaker 1: can trust character wise and production wise to add more

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Speaker 1: consistency to their pass rush. One thing about Quitty's production

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Speaker 1: because he looked so good coming out of the preseason,

547
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Speaker 1: he look so strong. That hamstring injury he battled that

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Speaker 1: that had a greater impact than I think anyone really

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Speaker 1: addressed early on in the season. I mean, that was

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Speaker 1: so defeating for him in that game down at Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: He had to come out of the game early, and

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Speaker 1: he said that he really had to pull back until

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Speaker 1: the latter part of the season. It wasn't until pretty

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Speaker 1: significantly later into that third quarter of the season, probably

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Speaker 1: even maybe into the fourth quarter of the season, where

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Speaker 1: he felt like he was at one hundred percent and

557
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: able to get that push off of the line, that

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Speaker 1: explosiveness off of the line. So I do think that

559
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: that's one thing to note too, is Quitty's rookie campaign.

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Speaker 1: That's why you saw him come on so much stronger

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Speaker 1: at the end of the year, because he finally had

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Speaker 1: confidence in that injury again. And you know, one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons you look to potentially that they did not

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Speaker 1: do this last season in terms of being able to

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Speaker 1: bring back more of those free agents on the edge

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Speaker 1: or sign other free agents on the edge, bringing t

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Speaker 1: Y Hilton back you've made the trade for Carson Wentz

568
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Speaker 1: that you were somewhat limited in the amount that maybe

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Speaker 1: you were able to invest in returning some of those

570
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Speaker 1: guys when they were getting big money on the open market,

571
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Speaker 1: like you expect them to do. So you may see

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Speaker 1: a bigger push early on in free agency. I don't

573
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Speaker 1: think they're gonna overspend, but I do think they might

574
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Speaker 1: be more aggressive in those first few days rather than waiting.

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Speaker 1: Usually it's kind of that second week where you see

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Speaker 1: the Colts start to target some guys doubt about it,

577
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Speaker 1: and I just think pass rusher, edge rusher. I just

578
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Speaker 1: think it's one of those positions that you just you

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Speaker 1: would like to see it be done before, you know,

580
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Speaker 1: because it's something that you can draft and you can

581
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Speaker 1: draft off potentially, and you can draft off ceiling. But

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, there's a variety of reasons why sometimes

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Speaker 1: it just doesn't click. I think it will with Quitty,

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Speaker 1: but as we've seen getting a guy in round two

585
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Speaker 1: and with Terrey's case, it's it's injuries. You know, Ben Banago,

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Speaker 1: he has been inactive for a majority of each of

587
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Speaker 1: the last two years. Monster year for him, Ben Banigoo,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's everybody's saying, let's let's go. So with

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Speaker 1: the draft, it's always a crapshoot. It's such an important

590
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Speaker 1: position to have bonafid production that you can trust, that

591
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: you can rely on. And it's not just the sacks.

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Speaker 1: It's the disruptions, it's the pressures. It's in the face

593
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Speaker 1: of quarterbacks altering decisions, altering throws to help the back end.

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Speaker 1: You know, those two things are always hand in hand.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I think given the urgency of this

596
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: Colt's roster in their build, a team's ready to go

597
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: in a lot of important places. Edge rusher is something

598
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: they're still tweaking. That's why I would not be shocked

599
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: to see them be a little bit have more of

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Speaker 1: a sense of urgency in free A. You can see

601
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Speaker 1: at that spot. And that's why I love the addition

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Speaker 1: of Gus Bradley so much, because he can be such

603
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Speaker 1: a strong voice for who they should target, who will

604
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: fit his defense, who are guys who he's had experience

605
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: with or he's gone up against when he's been with

606
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Speaker 1: other teams. We know he has that great relationship with

607
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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers. It's like, Hey, go to Philip, who are

608
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: the guys who absolutely menaced you. Who are the guys night, Yeah, exactly,

609
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: you know you can. And then also just Gus's you know,

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00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: knowledge and intelligence and scheme and all that way. And

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Speaker 1: I think those factors are going to be very strong

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Speaker 1: in consideration how you approached that position moving forward, as

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Speaker 1: opposed to if you had a guy who was in

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Speaker 1: a rookie coordinator type of role, a guy who was

615
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: elevated from being a position coach to being a defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: Gus Bradley has been a head coach, He's been a

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator at numerous stops, so I think that he

618
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: is one who as they look at the strategy in

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Speaker 1: where they are going to invest their resources, Gus will

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Speaker 1: have a strong voice in that room. All right, real quick,

621
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Speaker 1: before we get to Eric at home, we had displayed

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00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: together Lara's response there because an old friend stopped by

623
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Speaker 1: the table. Maddie Burflews had goa to the Chicago Bears,

624
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: you know him as the Cults former defensive coordinator, came

625
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: by to say hi, and like, I love the combine

626
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: for this stuff. You get to see everyone, everyone's all

627
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: together and guess what, everyone is all together in downtown Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: I'm going out tonight. I'm gonna go have some dinner

629
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Speaker 1: at Saint Elmo's with some friends and gonna go, you know,

630
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: hit up the bar a little bit subtle here. I

631
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: didn't make the reservations. I didn't make the reservation. I'm

632
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: just gonna get to my buddy Roger and I are

633
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: going to go have a nice meal, some cocktail. You know,

634
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: I might, but um, I will be so sad if

635
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Speaker 1: the combine leaves downtown Indianapolis. That's where I'm going with

636
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: this flex is that I will be so sad if

637
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: the count if the combine leaves and unfortunately the winds

638
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: are pushing toward it going to you know, somewhere else,

639
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: and it's it's a shame because, like Chris Ballard said,

640
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 1: no one does the combine better than this city. You're

641
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: gonna have to go somewhere else to appreciate that and

642
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Speaker 1: learn that, and you can let all the other places

643
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Speaker 1: do their best. But exactly, like Lara is saying hi

644
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: to a friend right now, you know, I had someone

645
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: stopped by Glad from Buffalo. Yeah, so, Maddie, what do

646
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: you think about the combined? I can see people like Lara, see, yeah,

647
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: that's exactly what you say. So we have dinner tonight.

648
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: I gotta take this girl to day. We have like

649
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: fifteen of us, so we're gonna go have dinner to night.

650
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: So great. We're not at Saint Elmo's or anything, you know,

651
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: because we got a budget to stick to. But I'm

652
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: blowing the budget for one night. But guys, the well,

653
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 1: I guess next year, if the combines outside of Indianapolis,

654
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: you can do whatever you want there. But the thing

655
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: that stinks is like this is this is the first

656
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: combine we've had in two years, and it feels like,

657
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: all right, like we made it, We're back together. This

658
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 1: is great, and then it's gonna change. And that just

659
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. That stinks to me. I just wanted

660
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: to get that off my chest, like this this all

661
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: just feels like it kind of s that it might

662
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: leave here. What I think the outside media, those that

663
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: are not from here, that have not covered the combine

664
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: every year, what they don't understand is in two thousand

665
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: and eight, when you made the transition from the RCA

666
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: Dome to Lucas Oil Stadium, Lucas Oil Stadium was built

667
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: with I don't know what the right terms are. Fiber connectivity,

668
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: fiber optic communication or connectability if you will, so that

669
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: all of these X rays, all of these MRIs come

670
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: back in real time, straight to the hospitals and straight

671
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: to the teams, and straight to the doctors. I'm sure

672
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: you know so far. Maybe has that, I don't know,

673
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: But my point is is that everything you need of

674
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: the combine from a logistical standpoint, is within four blocks

675
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: of Lucas Oil Stadium, the Convention Center. Great restaurants, great hotels,

676
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: great bars. I mean, the city loves having the combine here.

677
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 1: And what's really going to suck, I mean economic standpoint

678
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: is that most of the people around here business wise,

679
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: they have the economic stimulus of the combine built into

680
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: their budget and that's gonna go away probably, which stinks

681
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: for the city. It stinks for the money that's gonna

682
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: leave here. Job wise, it's unfortunate. But I guarantee you,

683
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: if you were to pull every GM, every head coach,

684
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: every important you know, football decision maker, would you like

685
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: to see the combine stay in Indianapolis, I guarantee one

686
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: hundred percent of them would say yes. But the NFL

687
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: is a marketing tool, and they're going to treat this

688
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: thing like an event. They're going to treat it just

689
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: like them or the draft, then move it around and

690
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: make it make money off of it, which you can understand.

691
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: But just from an operations standpoint, nobody can do the

692
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: combine better than Indianapolis. I don't think it's the last

693
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: time that Indianapolis will make an effort. I think that

694
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: they will probably make a bid to host a combine.

695
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: What I would like to I hope that wherever it

696
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: goes fails draft. You know, it's like that girlfriend in college,

697
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 1: y come home, back, come back. You didn't know how

698
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: good you had it until you left. Like when Justin

699
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: Houston went back to play in Kansas City at that

700
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: Monster game and we're in the locker room afterward and

701
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: he was doing it was like that ex girlfriend, you know,

702
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: when you show up type of thing. It's still one

703
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: of my favorite quotes of all time from Justin Houston

704
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: because Justin didn't talk a lot, but like we would

705
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: dropped gems from time to time when you were paying attention.

706
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: But so if it goes to Dallas, I hope it's

707
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: as big of a failure as they're super Here's what

708
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: I hope is whoa, Yeah, that super Bowl was sneaking

709
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: that one. Wasn't that a big ice storm? Yeah? Well

710
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: it's February. It was yeah, two thou eleven. That was

711
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: the super Bowl the Colts, or of Indianapolis, was supposed

712
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: to hold, and then Jerry Jones in the last minute,

713
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: sweet in the pot swooped in got two thousand eleven.

714
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: The Colts got twenty twelve. It was seventy five degrees

715
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: and we were looking at palm trees in February that

716
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: you remember that? Yeah, were you here for that? Yeah? Us, Yeah,

717
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: I was here. Well, I guess you could say that

718
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: Dallas had an icy reception. Wow, should we get Derek

719
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: at home? I was just gonna say what we're telling

720
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: now that I've gotten on a we've totally taken a train.

721
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: But what I was gonna say is I would like

722
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: for Indianapolis. I think Indianapolis will bid again to have

723
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: the Combine come back. I think it will be on

724
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: a rotation type of a schedule. I would love to

725
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: see Indie host the draft. Yeah, I would love to

726
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: see Indianapolis gonna chose to hands to host a draft.

727
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: And I'm curious if there might be a bit of

728
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: a all right, if we take the combine away, do

729
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: we give you a little stronger consideration to potentially bringing

730
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: a draft there because Indy has done such a great

731
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: job hosting NFL events, But maybe the league wants to

732
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: rotate the combine around that, to me, is a perfect

733
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: trade off. Let's get a late April weekend. Could you

734
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: imagine like having late April, you got the draft to

735
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: kick things off, and you go straight in the month

736
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: of mad Like, let's just go the mini marathon the

737
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: next weekend, all right, picking up the trash. Well, yeah,

738
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: that's the I won't see you guys first Saturday. Yeah,

739
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: sinco demio. All right, well, hey, we are going to

740
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: get out of here. We are going to bring in

741
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: Eric Adholme for some really interesting talk about the draft.

742
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: He also has some thoughts about the combine moving potentially

743
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: out of Indianapolis, but hopefully coming back. Mate, take it away,

744
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: it's not the NFL Combine until we talk to this guy.

745
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: It's Eric Adholme, NFL, NFL Draft insider, Yahoo Sports. He's

746
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: a friend, he's a staple, he's the man. Welcome back

747
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: to Indianapolis, sir, are you what an intro? Hell? Thank you? Yeah,

748
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: this is like missing the combine in twenty twenty one.

749
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: Welcome back two years a strong, Yeah exactly, I'm doing

750
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: it great. Yeah. Between this and Senior Bowl, I've gotten

751
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,479
Speaker 1: out twice now in the last you know, three weeks.

752
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: It's an accomplishment, it really is. It really is incredible,

753
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: life changing. And you're, i mean not too far right

754
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: based in Chicago. So what's the buzz in Chicago regarding

755
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: new regime there? Matt Eberflus, former defensive coordinator for the Colts,

756
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: how's it going? Yeah, I think it's it's like, well,

757
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: let's see what this guy's made of, right, I think

758
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: it was probably not the name that most Bears fans

759
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: would have come up with initially, but then once they

760
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: started seeing, okay, he's made it to the second round

761
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: interviews right there, they're raving about him. In India, you know,

762
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: it's more likely to go from an offensive coach to

763
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: a defensive coach, right, and and there's you know, there's

764
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: always the question of all right, well, who's who's running

765
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: the pl you know, calling the place, who's gonna help

766
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: justin fields out? But you know, I think everyone's excited.

767
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: You know, Ryan Poles, the new GM too. You know,

768
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: a lot of fresh blood in the building. That kept

769
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: some good people. They added some new people as well.

770
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: You know, the Bears are in that that another space,

771
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: like are they ready to take off? Are they ready

772
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: to go in the tank? We don't know, you know,

773
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be fun to see how they build

774
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: it up. So we're back here in Indianapolis, and it's

775
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: been cool for me, you know, I used to cover

776
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: the Bears, being able to catch up with some folks

777
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: on the Bears beat talking to them about the same

778
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: thing we just talked about there about Eberflus. But you

779
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: tweeted something yesterday that really resonated, and you tweeted that

780
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: you were a little you just got a little sad.

781
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: And you read something that our friend Zat Keifer from

782
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: The Athletic wrote about how this might be the last

783
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: combine here in Indianapolis for a little while. Um, we

784
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: hope it's not. Certainly, this is my first combine living

785
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: here in indian Right. It's great being able to drop

786
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: the kids off at daycarec come downtown. Wonderful. Weelus, it's

787
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: gonna be a little different if we are out in

788
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: Dallas or Los Angeles. But what about Indianapolis, Eric, do

789
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: you like about the combine? Like, what about this set

790
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: up for the NFL, for NFL media, for teams. Do

791
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: you do you appreciate about it here? Well, technic most

792
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: people don't have to leave their building, right, they can

793
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: go in the skywalks and there's this this, this, uh

794
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: if you know, if war ever makes it over here,

795
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: I think we can. We can all live in Indianapolis

796
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: and tunnel our way through to every hotel and the

797
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 1: resource we need. But yeah, no, there's that. It's very walkable. Obviously,

798
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: there's the familiar haunts that everybody frequents at night. We

799
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: know where the you know, the big swingers go, and

800
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: we know where the you know, executives tend to hang out.

801
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: Then there's always a few hidden spots too. But obviously

802
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: the central location I think it allows for you know,

803
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 1: so many more media members to come over it. Obviously

804
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: it's convenient for the teams and whatnot, and you can

805
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: get people like me who can drive and like you

806
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: guys who go you know. But but yeah, Indianapolis has

807
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: always sort of had a little little piece of my

808
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: heart We used to always drive through here on the

809
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: way to my grandparents' house in Illinois, like in central Illinois,

810
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: so we'd always sort of stopped right around, like lunchtime

811
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis as a kid growing up, So I always

812
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: had a sort of a soft spot for the city. Anyway,

813
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: where'd you go slippernewdle or no, gosh, there was a

814
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: there was a there was a Jewish Delhi Shapiro Shapiro.

815
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: It may have been Shapiro. It's been two blocks away, Yeah,

816
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: right there. I think I walked there about ten years

817
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: ago or something like that. Yeah, but that was the

818
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: place in the eighties. And then we find a new

819
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: spot too that we checked out. But I couldn't remember

820
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: the light name for the light bugging bun or the

821
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: whistle stop in Well, you're you're testing me here. I

822
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: can barely remember last year's draft class much plus what

823
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: I ate for lunch and eighty seven or whatever. You know.

824
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: So that's funny, Well it's it's I mean, you brought

825
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: up last year's draft class. We had a whole new

826
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: batch here. What do you like most about this draft?

827
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: As we dive into this really for the first time,

828
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 1: you do this twenty four to seven as a career

829
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: for a livelihood. What do we need to know about

830
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: this draft? If we don't know anything about it, give

831
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: us the hallmarks, if you will. Yeah, yeah, I mean

832
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: obviously everybody starts with the quarterbacks, and it's certainly probably

833
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: a topic for you guys as well. And you know,

834
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of people just pooh pooing the

835
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: class completely and this is not a good year and

836
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't stack up at all the last year. Well,

837
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: maybe we overrated last year. Maybe we're not giving these

838
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: guys enough enough, you know, attention, and maybe a Desmond

839
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: Ritter surprises people, or maybe a you know, a Carson

840
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: Strong test well medically here and we see, okay, you know,

841
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: maybe we have to reconsider the guy. And you know,

842
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: plus the ones who you know have the highest potentially

843
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: you'd say, like Malik Willis. So it's an interesting lot.

844
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: I think at least one or two of those guys

845
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: will end up being pretty pretty good quarterbacks, and maybe

846
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: more than that. From other positions to strength, I think

847
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: ed rush is really good. That's probably the strongest position.

848
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: I think you can find a tackle in this class.

849
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be round one, you know obviously

850
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: with keep an Indian mind too. I mean receiver, it's

851
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: just crazy to me that it's not as good as

852
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: the last two years. But for a position to be

853
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: strong or at least above average three years in a row,

854
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: like wide receiver has, that's kind of shocking. So there's

855
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: just a surplus of talent there, a little weaker interior line,

856
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: interior defensive line, you know, there's safety, it drops off

857
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 1: a little bit, but you know, it's it's a blue

858
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: collar draft, I would say, more than than a fancy,

859
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: shiny Jamar Chase kind of draft. You know, does that

860
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: mean it's a deeper draft, Like, does that mean you

861
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: can find starter caliber players on Day two and Day

862
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: three easier than not necessarily looking back to last draft,

863
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: but just the average baseline draft class. Yeah, it's what

864
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: it lacks is the splashy, high end talent at the top.

865
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: So that's gonna hurt teams picking on the top ten

866
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: or twelve. But I think the depth that's certain positions

867
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: like lineback or like edge rush or I think tackle

868
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: is deep enough. Receiver we mentioned earlier, you know, running

869
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: back after certain points not bad either, So it's certain positions, Yes,

870
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: I think you can get starter quality players in rounds

871
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: two through five. Now, you know, not throughout, but certainly

872
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: at different points. But there are certain positions that it

873
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: just feels like once you get past the first couple

874
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: of guys, there's real uncertainty tight ends. Fascinating because there's

875
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: no top fifty prospect in my mind, but boy, there's

876
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, fifty to one fifty overall,

877
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, and so that suggests like you might be

878
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: able to get a really serviceable guy in round four

879
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 1: at that spot. That's there's a lot of that. I think.

880
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: Let's tie it into the Colts. We've been asking everybody

881
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: that we see here so far, just what do you

882
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: make of the Cults situation? How surprised are you that

883
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 1: we're sitting here talking about the uncertainty of Carson Wentz

884
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: a year after you know, the Colts made that bold

885
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: move to a degree to give up a first round

886
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: pick to bring him in. They don't do that move right, right,

887
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: with only one year in mind? Right, that's not why

888
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: that's made. How surprised are you where we are? Right?

889
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: Very yeah? I would have guessed. And you know, when

890
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: I came to camp and saw you guys last summer,

891
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: I think he had he had just been put on

892
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: the COVID list or no, it just had the injury,

893
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: that's what it was. The fight. Yeah, I sure remember

894
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: what was keeping him out that day, right, Yeah, so

895
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: you know I didn't get to see him. But the

896
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: sense was, you know, provided he comes back and there's

897
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: a lot of enthusiasm, if there's a place he's going

898
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: to succeed in the NFL, this would be it, right,

899
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: you know, the right coach, the right environment and the

900
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: whole thing, uh, you know, a run game to support him,

901
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: a defense, the whole bit. But it just didn't happen.

902
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: The trust wasn't there, the performance wasn't wasn't what we expected,

903
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: and you know it felt like the buy in both

904
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: you know, from from all parties wasn't there. So very

905
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: surprised because you know, Chris Ballard I would say, has

906
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: really been smart with how he's used his picks, right,

907
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: I would say, he's built depth, he's he's understands the

908
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: value of draft picks. Um. But this is one that

909
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 1: the people are and go back and look at unless

910
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: they figure that position out. So on March first, we

911
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: don't again, we don't know what direction correct cults are

912
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: gonna go with that. But let's say they decide they

913
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: want to go to the direction of getting a quarterback

914
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: through the draft. Is it realistic to get someone at

915
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: forty seven where their first pick is in the draft,

916
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 1: or is this a draft even though there are questions

917
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: about the quarterback class, is this still a draft? Or

918
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: you need to move up to go get a starting

919
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: caliber quarterback with upside or a safer type guy you

920
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: can plug into play, a guy that can play next year. Yeah,

921
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: you feel good about Yeah? I mean that's I'll probably

922
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: be able to give you a little better answer by

923
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: Sunday or you know, once I've talked to a few people.

924
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: But the feeling that I have right now is that

925
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: even in a quote unquote down year for quarterbacks, somebody's

926
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: gonna go high. Somebody's gonna fall in love with Malik Willis,

927
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 1: somebody's going to convince themselves that Kenny Pickett is Joe Burrow.

928
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: So those two guys that think are off the table.

929
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: Matt Correll I didn't wasn't able, that wasn't eligible for

930
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, isn't throwing this week? You know, it's possible

931
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: his stock is volatile, right, He's at least somebody that

932
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: within you know, a five iron of getting right. You

933
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: could you could, you could move up if he starts

934
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: sliding a little bit. I mentioned Ritter earlier. He's wanted

935
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: to keep in mind. I think there's the Cincinnati quarter Yes,

936
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: Cincinnati quarterback let you know, went back to school last year,

937
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 1: led them to an unprecedented season, you know, a team

938
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: outside the group of five or I mean you know,

939
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, outside the yeah, uh, making the playoffs, acquitting

940
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: himself extremely well, you know, really showed improvement. Some people

941
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 1: have said, you know, maybe we're we're we're not given

942
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: him the proper respect much in the way that we

943
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: did Dak Prescott in college. You know, Dak Prescott played

944
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: four years, was more and more known as a running

945
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: kind of quarterback. Over time, you know, he improved as

946
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: a thrower. But you know, he was what the eighth

947
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: quarterback draft of the year or whatever it was. I mean,

948
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: it was it was crazy. I had him as mine.

949
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: I'd like to brag about this because it's like the

950
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: one guy that i'd really nailed. But you know, I

951
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: gave him like a second round grade because I thought jeez,

952
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: this guy I think has some potential here, and yet

953
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: there were enough questions about him. I wonder if maybe

954
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: Ritter is that guy to a certain degree where he's

955
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: there for the taking of forty seven, people fall in

956
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: love with Sam Howell instead of him, or they see

957
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: a little bit more upside in Corral, or or maybe

958
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: they feel good about Carson Strong's health. Strong is another

959
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: one to keep in mind. I mean, he's he had

960
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: a knee injury in high school, had to be worked

961
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: on about a year ago. It was like February of

962
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: last year. Originally they didn't think he would be back

963
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: for the start of the season. He was back in

964
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: six months, showed some toughness, not a mobile, agile guy,

965
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: but boy he can shoot it. So those are the

966
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: two that I would probably say fit the most from

967
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: that perspective. Maybe Bailey's appy from from Western Kentucky. But

968
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: I just don't know if you're gonna you know a

969
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: guy who played a Houston Baptist two years ago now

970
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: starting in the NFL as a rookie, that that feels

971
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: like a little bit of a stretch to me. What

972
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: are the Colts' biggest needs outside of quarterback? Because they

973
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: have to figure that out one way or another, make

974
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: a decision on Carson Wentz and then if it's not him,

975
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: it's it's somewhat else, either through the draft or free agency.

976
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: But outside of that, what is keeping the Colts away

977
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: from Cincinnati in Kansas City getting out of what they

978
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: finished last year at nine and eight? Yeah, I mean obviously,

979
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: you know Cincinnati had explosive firepower. Kansas City same thing, right,

980
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: you know, you see some of that with the Bills too.

981
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: You'd like to see a little bit more, I think

982
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: in the in the Colts offense. And you know, some

983
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: of that depends on you know, how high a ceiling

984
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: you project for Michael Pittman and what you think about,

985
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: you know, the other receiving options. But I would like

986
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: to see another big playmaker outside of him. I would

987
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: like to see it Edge Rusher, I think, to add

988
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: to that stable. You know, they've collected some bodies. I

989
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: think you could you could probably work on the entire

990
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: probably front seven at some point, you know, and just

991
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 1: add more there as well. This is a throwing league,

992
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: so corners and safeties are everybody's priority. But I think

993
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: they would have to be on the coltslist as well,

994
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: and you know they have a good offensive line, but

995
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: you know you have to back up your your best

996
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: units with depth and stuff too, So I would imagine, uh,

997
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: you know, at least another tackle, I would think, but um, yeah,

998
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: those are those are the kind of the ones that

999
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: stand out or were the other ones that I missed?

1000
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: You think that that probably need addressing. Tight end? You

1001
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,959
Speaker 1: know you had that in there, but you know you've

1002
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: studied the draft, you know how every team operates in

1003
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: the draft, and knowing how the Colts operate in the draft,

1004
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: you know last year, if we were talking to you

1005
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: at this time, if the combine existed, you probably would

1006
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: have been saying, left tackle is top of the line

1007
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: need for the Colts. And they didn't go out and

1008
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: draft a left tackle, which surprised some people. And then

1009
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: a couple weeks later, you know they sign Eric Fisher.

1010
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: But know now the Colts operate with that. I just

1011
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: I feel like every team says we took the best

1012
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: player available, because that's what you have to say. The

1013
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: Colts seem to really stick to that absolutely. When you

1014
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: look at how they draft, it's not drafting for need.

1015
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor was not a need right in twenty twenty.

1016
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: What do you appreciate about the way that the Colts

1017
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: actually go about their draft process when you think about

1018
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: some of the needs. But then again, how they draft

1019
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: In some ways, they're one of the easier teams to

1020
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: mock for. I know you just sort of undercut that

1021
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: by saying everybody thought left tackle. But what I do

1022
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: when I watch players just think, that's a Chris Bowler

1023
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: guy right there, you know. And I don't mean it's

1024
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: all Chris. I understand he's got an incredible staff. I mean,

1025
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: but what do you mean by that though? Like? What fits?

1026
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: What's the criteria for that? Like dioa Deengbo last year,

1027
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: watching him, I was like, you know, there, of course

1028
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: there are other teams that would love the guy, right,

1029
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, he was injured and that's like, but it

1030
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: was like I watched a kid on an O and

1031
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: eight football team in the fourth quarter. I think it

1032
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: was either the old mister Mississippi State, I'm blanking on

1033
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 1: the game whatever. You know, they're down forty one fourteen

1034
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: and there's six minutes left and he's still out there,

1035
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: first of all, and number two, he's out there chasing

1036
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: down a sweep from the backside and you know, a

1037
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy whatever pound guy, And I'm thinking,

1038
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: this dude doesn't quit, like he just doesn't care about

1039
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: the score or what's going on. He just wants to

1040
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: play hard. And so things like that that stand out,

1041
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: plus the length and a little bit of a berth too.

1042
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: And you know, it depends on each position, but certain

1043
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: guys just sort of pop out. You think that's a

1044
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick guy right there, you know, or he's a

1045
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: gunner on special teams. He does this and that. But

1046
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: they've got to have great I think they've got to

1047
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: have intelligence, they got to have passion, but they also

1048
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: have to have a little bit of that that athletic juice,

1049
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: right and just that little, that little extra burst that

1050
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: comes with it. So you know that that certainly, you know,

1051
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 1: applies to the Darius Leonards, to the world and whatnot.

1052
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor, Sure, well, we just got done talking about

1053
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: how the Colts they're not going to reach They're gonna

1054
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: go best player available. You know, they're not going to

1055
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: screw up their draft board just to bring in a

1056
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: tackle for the second draft and a tackle. Yeah, so

1057
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: with that, they want it if they're gonna spend a

1058
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 1: second round pick in this case on a left tackle,

1059
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: they want to feel really good about that guy, plug

1060
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: in play. He's not much of a project. How many

1061
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: guys are like that are going to be available in

1062
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: this draft in the second round? If the Colts are

1063
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 1: peering at left half, Yeah, that's a good question. That's

1064
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: kind of an interesting spot right there, because I think

1065
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: it's going to be a loose little too late for

1066
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: the kid from Central Michigan, Bernard Raymond, who has some

1067
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: Colts like traits, and I could see them really liking him.

1068
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: I think that I think he's probably either going to

1069
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: be a first or a very early second. You know.

1070
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 1: Then you get to the guy like from Ohio State,

1071
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: Nicholas Petti freyre little brother in French, my friendship in

1072
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: high school finally pays off. Yeah we years later, right,

1073
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 1: He's somebody that that's fascinating because, like you can see

1074
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,479
Speaker 1: first round potential in him. But then Aidan Hutchinson eats

1075
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: his lunch, you know, and then you have to go

1076
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: back and watch some other games and you say to yourself,

1077
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: is he not play up to his competition? Well enough?

1078
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: Is there as he figured it? Out. Maybe good coaching

1079
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: coaxes it out of him. That's why I think he's

1080
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: more of a second round pick than a first even

1081
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: if he has quote unquote first round talent. That's that's

1082
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: a question mark for me for whether he fits with

1083
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: a team like that. So you know, i'd have to

1084
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: I'd have to sit there and think a little bit

1085
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: more about guys who could be in that range. But yeah,

1086
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 1: I think tackle probably the top fifty, you'd feel pretty

1087
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: good about getting your chance of getting one. A little

1088
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: bit beyond that, it's it's gonna be. Max Mitchell from

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00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: Louisiana is somebody that I would keep in mincin of

1090
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: an athletic guy, a little bit more of a higher

1091
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: cut guy, but but almost looks like a giant tight end,

1092
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: athletic dude, run blocker, really good, plays hard as well.

1093
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: He's somebody that I would keep in mind as well.

1094
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: You talked a little bit about wide receiver earlier and

1095
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: how this is like the third straight year that it

1096
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 1: is a deep draft for wide. So you think about

1097
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty draft for the Colt Scott Michael Pittman

1098
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: junior in the second round, Chase Claypool, another guy who

1099
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: went right around there. Why why has that position been

1100
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 1: so deep? Is it because the NFL has adapted to

1101
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: some ways that colleges use their receivers just in terms

1102
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: of releases route concepts? Is it because NFL coaches are

1103
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: getting better? Is the talent getting better? Like? Why do

1104
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: you think that's been the case? I think we're in

1105
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: kind of a seven on seven Yeah, there it is, yep.

1106
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: And people love being a quarterback or a receiver. Right,

1107
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: you can't throw your receiver then, right if you want

1108
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: to touch the ball. Yeah, And it's it's a it's

1109
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: a it's an alpha position, it's a diva position, it's

1110
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: a you know what I mean. I mean that in

1111
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: a right, and you can do seven on seven year

1112
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: round exactly right in the middle of a couple of

1113
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: winners ago, you know, I was watching guys who were

1114
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: into Florida, Ohio State. They had this big, you know,

1115
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: seven on seven camp, and they had eight fields going

1116
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: at once, and like one team would come off and

1117
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: another one would come on. It was like this, you know,

1118
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, it's like a football factory

1119
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: out here, and this is going on in cities all

1120
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: over the place. It makes you realize, like, boy, the

1121
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: need for dbs is so high, the need for receivers,

1122
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: there's so many, right, It's like, you know, you can

1123
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: be patient and get a pretty good player, but if

1124
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: you want, you know, those Jamar Chase types, they don't

1125
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: come along very often, but there's some pretty good ones

1126
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: like Pittman and whatnot. Are the days of not having

1127
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: or not needing a an above average wide receiver like

1128
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase Cooper Cup to do something in the playoffs

1129
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: or win the Super Bowl? Are those days over? That's

1130
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: a great question. And sometimes we overreact to a one

1131
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: or two year trend in the NFL and we say, oh, well,

1132
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: the team that wanted had this, this must be this

1133
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: must be yeah, right, But it isn't always the case.

1134
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a good question. I think, you know,

1135
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: teams like New England will have to sort of look

1136
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: hard at themselves and say, you know, can we get

1137
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: by with guys like Jacobe Meyers and Nelson Agilar and stuff.

1138
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, the Colts are obviously in

1139
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 1: a little stronger position than that or whatever, but really

1140
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: it is going to probably challenge some of those if

1141
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 1: you can exploit a weakness, right and and figure out

1142
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 1: that there just aren't enough quality corners in this league

1143
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: and safe these two can cover. You know, why wouldn't

1144
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: you you go three, four and five wide all the

1145
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: time and just pepper people with passes. You know. So,

1146
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: so this week you're you know, the NFL combine is back.

1147
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: There can be televised all over NFL network. Colts fans,

1148
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: you're not going to be able to avoid it. You're

1149
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 1: gonna hear it on radio. You're gonna hear it on

1150
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: the Colts Audio Network. You're gonna you're gonna heat see

1151
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: it on ESPN and NFL Network and all these outlets

1152
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: that are covering it. What should It's almost to me,

1153
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: it's like an overwhelming amount of information that you get.

1154
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: What is Eric Adholme, draft expert looking at what are

1155
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: some of the drills you watch? And I'm not asking

1156
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: you to give me like you know, I will only

1157
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: watch the three cone for the defensive line, but like,

1158
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: what are just three or four drills that fans should

1159
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: keep an eye on for, you know, maybe some of

1160
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: the positions of need for the Colts. Okay, yeah, I

1161
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: would I like watching the positional workouts to see how

1162
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: flexible their hips are and how well they move and

1163
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: change directions, especially in coverage, like that's really the biggest

1164
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: thing where in this league. Obviously linebackers you want to

1165
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: stay on the field and third downs or you know,

1166
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: get on the field at all. You gotta be able

1167
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: to do that. So that's certainly, you know, an area

1168
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: where I like to watch those guys perform. But yeah,

1169
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: the three cone drill is probably still the best of

1170
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: the old schools, you know, workouts that they do that

1171
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: shows that, you know, or even the twenty yard shuttle

1172
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: for that matter, I think that's maybe a little underrated

1173
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: in some respects in terms of working you know, flat

1174
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: down the line and things like that. So you know,

1175
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: those those two are probably the best for that d line,

1176
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: you know, for quarterbacks. The combine throwing session, yeah, I

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00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: want to see how they spin it. Yeah, I want

1178
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: to see what it looks like coming out of their hands,

1179
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: and all their footwork certainly matters things like that. If

1180
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: you don't have pristine footwork in pristine conditions. Yeah, right,

1181
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: what's going to happen when the pressure comes You know,

1182
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: what happens when the rush comes on. I think that's why,

1183
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, Carson Wentz is they looked at times beautiful

1184
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: throwing the ball hit down here in Indie, at the

1185
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: at the Combine or at the Senior Bowl and stuff

1186
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: like that. So that's probably the biggest thing is if

1187
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: they don't look pretty darn crisp throwing the football, I

1188
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: would I would wonder why their mechanics aren't more consistent

1189
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: or more reliable. Last one for me, have we graduated,

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00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: as you know, football people and and really we're not

1191
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: in there. I mean we can watch on television, but

1192
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: you know, scouch and general managers that watch from the

1193
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: seeds or the suites at Lucas Oil Stadium during the workouts.

1194
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: Have they graduated to understanding and really putting into perspective

1195
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: what they're looking at in the sense that you know,

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00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: I kind of use the analogy. Maybe it's a bad

1197
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: metaphor if you will, but not everybody's a great SAT taker.

1198
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean you're dumb. It just means you kind of

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Speaker 1: fall to the pressure of standardized testing. Have we kind

1200
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: of understood do we understand now what we're looking at?

1201
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: If guys have a really bad couple of days at

1202
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: the combine, we can put that into perspective and the

1203
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: overall grand picture. I love that analogy. I love it.

1204
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: It's perfect, right. I mean I knew people smart people

1205
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: who are bad standardized test takers, right, and you know

1206
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: there there are people who come to the combine every

1207
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: you know Alan Robinson, I think ran what are you

1208
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: run up for a four? Siven or six or whatever?

1209
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: Orlando Brown is another guy that come to mind, perfect example.

1210
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: I can't a terrible workout was the butt of everyone's Joe.

1211
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: We're past the days of all We're just gonna kill

1212
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: this guy because he sucked at the combine, right, I

1213
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: mean what I do my winners and losers after the combine?

1214
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I'm picking on the guy

1215
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: who you know, waited with eight percent body fat or whatever.

1216
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: And but you know there, I would love to weigh

1217
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: in with twenty eight percent body fat. By the way,

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Speaker 1: that sounds great. If I can get under thirty, I pumped,

1219
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, But we're not gonna have that test this week. Yeah,

1220
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: it really is. It is gonna be interesting to see

1221
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: just kind of how much this combine affects. There's a

1222
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: feeling around the league with teams like the Lions and

1223
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: the Rams, and we're a little outside the box thinkers.

1224
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: I would I would probably put the Colts in that

1225
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: department two where you know, there's only so much you

1226
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: can get out of before dyar dash, there's only so

1227
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: much you can get out of, you know, even the

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01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: positional drills and things like that. The health and the

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01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: interviews still are the biggest takeaway from India, I think, Yeah,

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01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. Eric Ad Holme is uh, He's

1231
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: one of our biggest takeaways from the NFL combine as well.

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01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: Good to have you back man, always good to see Yeah,

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01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: thanks for stopping by and Eric Ad Holme check out

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01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: his work. What are you writing about on the website

1235
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: this weekend after the question? Yeah, probably something on the quarterbacks,

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01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: Probably something on I think the Broncos are the first

1237
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: team to speak today. May ask them about Aaron Rodgers.

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01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if you guys have heard

1239
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: of him. Yeah, heard, there's some stuff going on. Ye.

1240
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, well the first two days or mayhem and

1241
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: then I kind of get my feet underneath me. But yeah,

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01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: I'll have I'll have plenty of stuffy man. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

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01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,600
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1250
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