WEBVTT - The Norma Jean Years with Bruce Bozzi 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:04.680 Hi, what's going on, What's what's happening, what's shaking? Well? 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:10.639 Today is my parents fiftieth wedding anniversary. Wow, fifty years. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:15.360 That's scary. It is a little scary. But then I 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:17.280 also think about me and brand I'm like, we've been 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:22.360 together for seventeen years and I'm still a young thing. Seventeen. Yeah, 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.720 that's scary too. Such a long time, like almost longer 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.800 to gather than apart. Right, Yeah, I'm getting there. I 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.200 was like twenty when we started dating. So you know, 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:33.800 I'm excited for my folks. They're like going to a 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:37.880 steak dinner and we sent them fifty flowers for fifty years. 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:42.800 That's pretty well. Congratulations, that's sweet. Thanks. I will pass 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:46.280 it along. But how are you doing? What's going on? Well, 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:48.519 I'm in Whistler. I mean when this air is I'll 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.120 be hosting the Daily Show this week that it airs, 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:54.040 but we're taping this in advance. I'm up here. The 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.640 snow is just not cooperating right now. So I went 0:00:57.720 --> 0:00:59.520 to go visit my girlfriend in Park City for a 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:02.480 four A's Whisky Deer Valley, and there was so much 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:06.039 snow there it was heaven. I was like oh my god. 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:08.759 And then I came here and I'm just hanging out 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:12.600 writing a book, writing new material. Also, I'm going back 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:14.480 on tour. Everybody, I have a new tour. It's called 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.160 a little Big Bitch because I'm a little big bitch 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.200 and I always have been. Well now I'm a big 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:23.040 little bit. No, I'm still a little big bitch. Whatever. Anyway, 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.720 I'm going back on tour. I'm gonna be at Zany's 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:29.240 Nashville March twenty nine through Sunday April six, and then 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:41.160 Irvine Improv and then I have theater dates everywhere from Peoria, Illinois, Carmel, Calamazoo, Spokane, Washington, Boys, Idaho, Vegas, Highland, California, Tulsa, Oklahoma, 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:42.880 and more and more and more. So go to chel 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:46.520 Sadler dot com for tickets. And that starts in April. 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:51.040 So I'm very excited. Catherine. Yeah, amazing. I have family 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.200 in Peoria, Illinois. They might fell too square though to 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.240 come see you. Well, now they can see me. They 0:01:56.240 --> 0:02:00.400 just we shouldn't interact, right exactly. Yeah, you are a 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:02.800 wild woman, like you just finished a tour and they're 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:06.120 like surprised. Here's another I know, I know it doesn't 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:07.640 make any sense. I'm like, why am I going right 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:09.079 back on tour. They're like, because you just put out 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:10.960 a special, now you go on tour. I'm like, wait, 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:14.280 what so confusing all of it? I thought you were 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.200 just like ready to raid. So many responsibilities. I mean, 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:19.040 I don't know which way to turn, no wonder. I 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:20.919 want to stay in bed all day when I'm home. 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:23.720 Yesterday I was like, I got up, I wrote from 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.440 like five am to eight am, and then I smoked 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.280 a joint and everything went to ship. Oh my gosh. Yeah, 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.240 I have like a three hour burst of creativity first 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:34.440 thing in the morning. And then I wasn't gonna go 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.200 skiing because it was so crappy out. I was like, 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.079 what's the point? But it was cozy. I just want 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.079 to be in bed and watched bad TV. Not even 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:42.880 bad TV. I really want to watch good TV. But 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:46.639 I think I've exhausted all television shows. Yeah, I mean, 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.520 it's slim pickants out there right now, even though there 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.000 are one thousand shows. Well, I know, which makes no 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.680 sense with the volume of of options. But I know 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:57.520 you also like to be in bed with a good book. 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.240 And actually we've had a bunch of people asking for 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:04.239 book recommendations. Oh, yes, we have Lessons in Chemistry is 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:07.880 really good. I'm reading that right now. There's another book 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:09.880 that's someone left in my house and I'm also reading, 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.280 but I don't remember the name of that, The Great Alone. 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:14.880 Did we talk about The Great Alone yet? Oh? By 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:18.000 Kristin Hannah. That is a great book. And every yes, 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.480 that book is about homesteadying in Alaska, which is a 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:25.440 subject matter that I couldn't be less interested in. And 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.280 I that book that was a page turner. I mean 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:30.720 I could not get enough of it. And it's a 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.600 big book. It's like six hundred pages, but it flies by. 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:35.680 I think I read it into plane rides or onto 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.440 plane rides. I love that. The Great Alone is great. 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:40.680 I read The Paper Palace. I mean that wasn't one 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:43.600 of my favorite books. I read that pretty quickly too, 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.920 so it's kind of a page turner. And then oh, 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.560 I read this cute little nightstand book, Gallatea by Madeline Miller. 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:54.200 What's that about? She wrote cirk or cercy. I don't 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.000 even know what the proper pronunciation is for it, but 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.240 I think it's cirk. Yeah. I look at that every time, 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:01.720 and I'm like, I don't know how to say that. 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.240 It's such a good book. I wish I could reread books, 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:05.880 but I mean, there's too many books to read to 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:10.080 have time to reread any Yeah, this is a podcast recommendation, 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:13.280 but it has one of the greatest names I think 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.880 I've ever heard. There is a new podcast that is 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.800 about the kind of throwaway books that we all get 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:23.560 at airports, and it is called If Books Could Kill 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:26.480 I guess to put it at the way they would. 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:30.760 They describe this podcast as a podcast about the books 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.400 that captured our hearts and ruined our minds. So it's 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:37.000 a lot of debunking. It's a lot of funny commentary 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:39.840 and like unpacking the culture of what we believed at 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.320 a certain point when this book was popular. They sort 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:46.560 of break down like Malcolm Gladwell and The Secret and 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.960 all these different books, and it's great. So it tells 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.760 you which books are worth reading and which ones aren't. Yeah, 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:54.800 and like some of them are sort of teasing about 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:56.599 them because there may be like a couple of decades 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.080 old and they're like, remember what we believed at the time, 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:02.680 and you how this fit into the culture and what 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.200 this did to us all what we all believed in. 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.760 But it's a fantastic listen. It's very funny. I just 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.200 love the name if Books Could Kill. I also want 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:13.839 to make a couple of recommendations of some of my 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:19.120 favorite books. I think House of Mirth by Edith Wharton 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.320 is an old classic. That's fucking awesome. That's a real 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:26.600 commentary on society then and now, like not much has changed. 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.239 And then The Red Tent is a really good book. 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.560 I have always heard about The Red Tent and I 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:35.080 need to read it. Yeah, that's a classic book too. 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.960 That's beautiful. I mean, I love the way, you know 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:39.919 when books just take you to a place that you 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.200 would never go, like homesteading in Alaska. I'm never doing 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.520 that and never catching my own food. If you know, 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:50.200 that's not gonna happen. Even if I tried, it wouldn't happen. 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:53.880 So for some reason, I always conflate The Red Tent 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.400 with Pillars of the Earth, even though I read Pillars 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.880 of the Earth and loved it. For some reason, I 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.480 always think those are the same kind of Stuff's funny 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.360 I always conflate. I always put them together. The Red 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.440 Tent and Memoirs of a Geisha because I just think 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.640 both of books are really important reading, are great reading 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:13.599 at the very at the very least, Yes, especially for women, 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.040 especially for woman. Well, I'm going to have to get 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.320 on the red tent because it's just been too long. 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:20.640 Did you get the clip I sent you of me 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.920 talking about you and your hard boiled eggs on Alex 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:26.799 Cooper's podcast and about Brad Like the fact that Brad 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:31.320 has remained He's an victim, he's gang he's getting egged 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:35.479 to every day, victim of your abuse. Oh my gosh, 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.720 I loved that. Thank you for thank you for bringing 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:41.760 me very stoned to Alex Cooper. Oh my god, my 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:45.160 eyes were closed and she could not stop giggling. It 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.880 was my favorite. I was like, this is a fucking 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.599 mass this interview. That was so much fun. But I 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:52.440 think people loved it because they're just like, this is 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.240 what we want to see from Chelsea Hammer and I 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:58.200 think Alex Cooper, I think that's what they're there for. Okay, 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.840 So we have a guest today. He is a gay man, 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:05.280 and that is an identifier. You're not supposed to do that. Okay. 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.440 He's a great guy and he I've known him for 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.480 a long time. And I did his podcast which is 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.280 called Table for Two, and then he elbowed his way 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:17.760 onto this podcast. So please welcome Bruce Buzzy. Hi Bruce. 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.560 How are you good? Chelsea? How are you? Can you 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:23.120 hear me? I can see you and I can hear you. 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:27.800 This is Katherine, my partner in crime. Hello, how are you? Bruce? 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:32.160 I'm good? Are those all your Grammy's behind you? Yeah? 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:36.400 My grammy's my oscars my. Yeah. I didn't know you 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:40.160 were such an award winning performer. Thank you, Chelsea. But 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:42.520 you know you learned something new every day. Maybe you'll 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.520 win an award for your podcast. Aren't there a podcast awards? 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:51.080 The Webbies? Oh really Yeah? We were at Webby Honoree 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.040 this year and honoree. I thought we were a nominee. 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.320 What's an honoree? We were a nominee and then we 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:59.880 were at honoree. It's like that when I first set 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:03.559 of podcasts, you were way to cut it and a half. 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:06.280 By the way, who you Who did you just have 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.680 on your podcast that was so good? Was it Scarlett Johansson? 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.840 Thank you? Yeah, we had Scarlett. Yeah, she kind of 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:16.040 kicked it off and Octavia Spencer just dropped and you're 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.200 coming up. Oh, this is very exciting. I can't wait 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.160 to see what headlines this brings. Every time I say something, 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.440 I have to stop. I'm like, oh, I'm glad I'm 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:26.120 out of the country, as if you can't access the 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.640 news when you're in a different country. I was just 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:30.120 on a podcast with a girlfriend and I was like, 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:31.560 I don't want to comment on this because it will 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:33.560 become a headline. And sure enough, there was like fifteen 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.720 articles the next day with that headline. So anyway, I'm 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:38.720 just going to be mute from now on because I 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.960 can't express myself. The world would be a lesser place 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.319 if you, I know. I want to talk about your 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:48.680 long storied career, pivoting careers. We've curated today's calls, hopefully 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:52.000 to suit something that you have some area of expertise in, 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.600 which is the restaurant business. For instance, you're kind of 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.880 in the Hollywood business. You have been a fixture on 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.520 Hollywood scene forever. So, but that's also do you think 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.800 that's by way of the restaurant business, you know, yeah, 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:11.040 I mean the so the restaurant business. Obviously, thirty year career, 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:15.200 ninety at the Palm restaurant, which my great grandfather co 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:21.040 founded in I got involved doing summer jobs through college 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.160 and then just it became my career. It's just like 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.880 a calling for me, which kind of made sense because 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:28.960 it was in the d n A. And I think 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:32.920 to answer that question, I think the Palm really sort 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:37.000 of was the intro to my sort of Hollywood relationships 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.320 because I moved to l A and I was ringing 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.440 checks in the West Hollywood Palm as I was also 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.760 trying to do commercials and be an actor, but I 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.040 was a really bad actor. But it was like my 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.040 early twenties and I was out in l A. So 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.120 I met a lot of people. Then I call it 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:55.199 my sort of normal gene trying to become Marilyn and 0:09:55.360 --> 0:10:02.720 Row years. Well, yeah, okay, great, exactly who you remind 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.880 me of? Norma Jean? Thank you? Gee. I wish it 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:09.480 was Marilyn and Wrow, but I'll take Normachine. Yeah right, 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.680 It's more normal Jane for me than Marilyn Monroe. I 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.439 appreciate that. So then so, yeah, so that happened. Then 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.640 I moved back to New York, opened up the restaurant 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:20.760 in Times Square, and a lot of my friends were 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.439 like they were all actors. It seemed I was friends 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:26.840 with Sarah, Jessica Parker and Andy Collen's always everyone was 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.760 like in the same little tribe. And I was in 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.200 the restaurant bis. So I wasn't in show business. I 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:37.079 just was a part of their world and loved everything 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:40.040 about show biz and then fell in love with Brian 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:42.600 Lord and that kind of through a whole different Oh yeah, 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:46.240 so Brian Lord is your partner husband you guys have 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.720 been who's a Who's a partner at ci A correct? Yes, 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.480 exactly and one of the biggest agents, if not the 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:57.360 biggest in Hollywood. So does has he seen you act? No, 0:10:57.679 --> 0:10:59.920 he has never seen me act. I think my big 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.080 my last well in the early nineties I did it 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.120 was nine O two one oh, and it was all 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.080 those kind of shows that you would be like sent 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:10.439 out for, never got one. The commercials I got were 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:12.640 all commercials that I had to strip down, like, I 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.320 had to dance in a bathing suit around rubber made 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.600 garbage cans, or I had to like isn't it funny 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:20.680 that that has only happened to women and gay men. 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.040 No straight men have had to dance around like that 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.920 for an audition. It was all objectrification. It was all 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:28.720 like okay, hey, can you say your name? Could you 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:30.920 give me your profiles? And can you take off your clothes? 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:35.160 And I was like okay, and then he hasn't but 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.160 he never saw me at the last I moved back 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:39.880 to New York. I did a Caligula in the East Village. 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:43.600 When the East Village was bad, I mean Orchard and Stanton. 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:47.000 There were drug addicts. The theater was called House of Candles. 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:50.439 Oh that sounds tragic. House of Candles. It is tragic. 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.480 And I was so bad. I was freezing. And I 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.880 don't know if you remember a guy named Sandy Gallen, Yeah, 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:59.120 of course, big manager and he became a good friend. 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:01.480 And when I was in l A, he would run 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:04.640 sides with me and he was like, you were the 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:10.000 worst actor ever scene in my life. But I was 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.600 having fun and in actuality, what I was doing was 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:16.120 kind of discovering myself, getting comfortable with my sexuality. It 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.240 came from an Italian New York family, so it wasn't 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:23.520 the easiest. The mafia exactly. I didn't want to hit 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.439 taken out on me, Catherine, because I was a game boy, 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:29.720 you know, so that that was the purpose of those 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:33.480 years became of real good foundation and great friendships, and 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:35.800 so that's kind of the hollywe And Okay, so how 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:38.240 did you and Brian fall in love? Because Brian was 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:42.840 married to Carry Fisher, right, they weren't actually legally married, 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.520 but you know that didn't happen, but they had it. 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:47.800 They were in love, and then they had Billy. So 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:51.760 I had baby Billy Lord, his daughter, Billy Lord, who 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.200 some of you have seen. She's been in a bunch 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.440 of stuff American horror story most most of you maybe, 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:01.800 So around two that marriage ended and Brian kind of 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:06.440 came out. That was his realization that he was in 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:11.800 the wrong place. And so then I met Barry. So Hollywood, 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.160 so bougie, Chelsea, I'm so bougie. I met Barry at 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:19.800 Barry Diller and Dion von Furstenberg's wedding. And I had 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:23.439 met Barry in my normal Janie years here in l A, 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.719 so then I had gotten to know Dion. And so 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:28.720 I was in this wedding and I see this guy 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.800 and he's so sexy, and I'm like, whoa, and but 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:35.280 nothing happens. And because I'm living in New York at 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.520 the time, and he's living in l A. And we'd 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.520 see each other like I'd always crash Andy Cohen and 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.559 I would come out here and we would crash every 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.080 party there was during Oscar time, because we were just 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.200 horrors and hookers for a good time and a movie 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.840 star and fun. So I started to get to know 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:55.480 Brian a little bit more and I decided to become 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.640 a dad when I was forty. I realized, you know what, 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:00.720 this is something that I want to do. When I 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:05.120 started the process as a single guy, and really quite honestly, 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.640 on an airplane coming to l A for one night 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:13.480 to have a facilitated meeting with my surrogate. Potential surrogate, 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.880 a mutual friend was on the plane. She was staying 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:18.840 with Brian. She asked if I could take her back 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.800 to his home, dropped her off. It was Christmas time. 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.440 He asked, why are you coming to California for a day. 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.800 So I said, I'm doing this thing. It's obviously a 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.480 huge thing. And he said, come back tomorrow before you 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.000 take the red eyeback. So I was here for quite 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.360 four hours and I did, and in that moment, in 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.360 the house that I now live in, we kind of 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.040 just we're honest with each other, and that kind of 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:44.760 led to us being in a relationship. I said, I 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:46.480 have very strong feelings for you, he said, I do 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:48.880 for you. We're old. I was forty at the time, 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.680 he was forty six. Looking back now as I'm about 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.160 to turn fifty seven, I'm like, that was not old, 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:59.360 by the way, and began, you know, a really great 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.880 sixteen years. We're like, we just passed sixteen years together, married, 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.600 like five lovely. So when you revealed to him that 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.000 you were planning on becoming a father, he was on 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.440 board with that right away. He was on board with 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.600 that right away. And now he says, I got pregnant 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:19.000 and trapped him. That's a cute story. I'm glad you 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:22.000 guys found each other. Brian so fucking sexy, all right, 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.440 I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean he's landed the guy. 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:29.040 He's sexy to everybody. Yeah, he really is. He's universally 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:33.200 sexy and a good guy. So the kids now fifteen, Yeah, 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:36.520 what what is your kid's name? Eva? A v A. 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:38.600 I kind of was inspired because you know, I'm a 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:40.600 gay guy by Ava Gardner, who I just thought it 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:46.560 was just gorgeous, strong woman, Bossie Lord. He legally adopted 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.440 her a couple of years ago when we were getting married, 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:53.280 and all made sense. Yeah, that's sweet. I love gay parents. 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.000 I'll have a daughter that's lovely. Isn't it the best 0:15:56.120 --> 0:16:02.120 gay parenting? Yeah? Gay parenting is interesting because like for me, Chelsea, 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.320 I was going full throttle my twenties, my thirties, New 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.440 York Palm, restaurant, working in the restaurant, staying out late. 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.480 And it just because you're not married to a woman 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:14.760 who's her body is changing, so you're slowing up naturally. 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:18.440 It's like all of a sudden, you're like the next day, 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.520 it's like, excuse me, can you get to the hospital? 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:24.200 Your your life's about to be over. Yeah, I know. 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:27.080 It's a kind of like it takes your lifestyle to 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.280 a grinding halt. Like that's how I felt when Andy 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:31.040 Cohen had a kid. I was like, wait a second, 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:34.080 this is gonna change a lot. And then he had 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.920 another one. I'm like, wait what So Yeah, it's funny, 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:39.640 I mean, I guess because nine months is there to 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.680 prepare you. Although nine months is never enough to prepare anybody, 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.200 you know, when you're when you're carrying a baby, I mean, 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.040 I had a friend who just had a baby a 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.600 couple of days ago and almost died during the delivery. 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.600 She had the worst was she lost so much blood 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:55.320 and she's her heart was leaking, and I was like, 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.320 oh my god, Like you think it's such an everyday 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:02.320 easy thing, and it's like, no, this used to kill people. Yeah, yeah, No. 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.120 Billy just had her second baby, and I gotta say 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:09.040 she was so committed to making sure everything was you know, 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:11.159 the nine months, she took such great care of herself. 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.120 But the actuality, you know, it was a difficult. There 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.960 were difficulties and Brian was a mess and he was like, 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:20.800 can this please, Like, can we not have any more babies? 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:24.400 It's like you said, it's not to be taken for granted. 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:31.240 How difficult to have a kid come out of your vagina? Pikachu? Yeah, yeah, 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.479 you should start saying Pikachu too, because you're never ever 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.920 going to have to deal with a vagina and Pikachu 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:37.679 such a It's just such a nice other way to 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.040 say it, right, vagina sounds like, I don't know, there's 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:42.920 a hammer coming down at the end of it or something. 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:47.480 Tell us about parenting with your daughter, what's her situation 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.320 at fifteen. Is she manageable or is she about to 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:54.439 you know, does she hate you? She manageable? That's how 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:58.560 I think of children. Are they manageable? I thought of 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:02.400 you today because I drive her to school, which is irritating, 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:05.080 and I thought to myself, you know what, Chelsea doesn't 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.800 have to get up before ten am. No, but for 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.400 some reason, I get up at fucking five every single day. 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.800 I should be sleeping till ten am. Yeah, you should. 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:15.879 I go to bed at like nine, So I've just 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.600 completely switched my clock. Me too. I actually couldn't keep 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:23.359 my eyes open last night. But she is still into 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:27.680 building these massively complicated lego things that like I could 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.720 never do. She got that kind of brain. She's definitely 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:32.960 bitchy to me, Like I asked her a question, like 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.600 you have to like sneer at me when I asked 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:39.199 you the question, can you just answer nicely? We're in 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.359 that phase. She's not going to the parties. That's not 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:44.760 where her mind is at. So you know, I don't 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.000 want her going to those parties. Yeah, but I don't 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.080 think what we did at those parties is happening with 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.200 this generation of people. I think they're much more scared 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.560 of drugs. They're not partying like we partied, and they 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.000 should be scared of drugs because they're everything is so 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.399 screwed up out there with fent at all and stuff 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:02.320 like that. But I feel like fifteen year olds are 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.000 much smarter than we were. They have access to so 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:07.040 much more information than we did. We didn't have the 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.080 Internet when we were fifteen. No, you're so white, and 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.400 they actually kind of tell you what they want to do, 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.720 and like they have a plan. Yeah, you had a 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.600 plan to get in a first class ticket. I do 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:20.600 have fucking plants. Who knows what they are, but they're 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:24.280 just inside of my head until I expel them and 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:29.080 then watch out and then watch out duck. So that's 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.280 the kid thing. What were your roles with you and 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.320 Brian as parents? Who's the softie and who's the kind 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:38.240 of rule enforcer? I'm sure of the primary caretaker. So 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:40.879 I'm the one who's like, wake up, let's get breakfast, 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:43.280 let's do this, like, oh, you gotta go to the dentist. 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:45.840 You know, when Brian, when we when we began this 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:49.840 journey together, Billy was already like fourteen. I was like, 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.000 you don't have to do that. You know, if she 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:56.280 gets up blah blah blah. She considers him the smart one. 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:58.240 So all homeworks, she's like, you know, I want to 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.560 go through this project, so can I talk to you 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.080 about it? As I'm sitting there and I'm like, hello, 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:06.600 because you funked up from homework so badly, looked up 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.320 our homework so badly. And then and they're a little 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:12.159 bit like snotty towards me, Brian, and they look at 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.879 me like and then I'm like, fine, I'll go in 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.320 my office. I'll go and hang out and have a 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.800 glass of wine and binge. I don't need you guys either. 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:25.080 Get out. That's a spirit there, you go. Okay, So 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:26.800 we're gonna take a quick bit. We're gonna take a 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:33.879 quick bake, and we're gonna be right back. And we're back. 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:39.600 We're back, We're back. You're someplace very glamorous. Oh I'm 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:43.840 in Whistler, Canada. That's your place, your happy place. Yeah. 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:46.600 But the snow is no bueno. It's not happening. Really, 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:49.359