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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's lurking around too, which makes this stuff

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Speaker 2: you should know. Uh, one of the first I think

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Speaker 2: the first, No, I think we've talked about iron before

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Speaker 2: the second in our ongoing saga to do an episode

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Speaker 2: on each element in the periodic table. Oh kill me,

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Speaker 2: it's like so much fun, Chuck.

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Speaker 3: No, this is a good one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it for me. I'm done.

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Speaker 2: We'll see about that. But we're talking today about aluminum,

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Speaker 2: which is pretty much ubiquitous. If you think about it,

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Speaker 2: you find aluminum everywhere. I don't even need to rattle

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Speaker 2: off where you find aluminum. You can figure that out yourself.

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Speaker 2: Because it's just that ubiquitous, right, agreed. So one of

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Speaker 2: the interesting things about it, though, Chuck, is that as

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Speaker 2: much as it's like entered into our world or become

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Speaker 2: like so enmessed with our world, it is a very

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Speaker 2: very new invention as far as elements go and discovery

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Speaker 2: and use. Yeah, I mean we've been using copper forever,

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Speaker 2: iron forever, a bronze even longer than iron. Remember, aluminum

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Speaker 2: we've been using essentially since the twentieth century.

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Speaker 1: Is this the aluminum age, Yes, it is an people

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Speaker 1: call it that, no, but I think we should start

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Speaker 3: I mean, bronze had an age, and if iron had

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Speaker 3: an age, stone had an age.

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Speaker 2: Yeahs a great idea, Chuck, the aluminum age. It's a

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Speaker 2: wonderful idea. It really gets the point across.

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Speaker 3: It does.

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned that it's ubiquitous in use these days

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Speaker 1: for sure, but it's also abundant. And as Libya Livia

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Speaker 1: pointed this out because she helped us out with this one,

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Speaker 1: she did a really good job on this one. I

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Speaker 1: think eight percent of the total mass of the Earth's

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Speaker 1: crust has aluminum in it. But it's not like from

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Speaker 1: the beginning we could just go down there and chop

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Speaker 1: because aluminum had a well, not a problem, it just

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Speaker 1: other elements, so that means it's reactive, so that means

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Speaker 1: there's aluminum, we can just go like, we had to

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Speaker 1: figure out how to extract usable aluminum from other things.

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Speaker 1: Mainly these days and back then something called box site.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, boux site is it's kind of like an umbrella

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Speaker 2: term for naturally occurring aluminum ores.

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Speaker 2: But the problem with aluminum, like a lot of metals

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Speaker 2: So you've got this box site and we know about it.

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Speaker 2: We know that there's something useful in it, but we

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Speaker 2: we'll call alum which is a kind of aluminum sulfate

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Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, all sorts of stuff like oh, of course,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't break it. It's like an unbreakable comb.

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Speaker 3: Unbreakable what comb? Like a hair comb?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a I think it's a brand name even.

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Speaker 2: It just invites you to break it, and it eventually

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Speaker 2: like a joke. Like somebody was like, this is really

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Speaker 1: Oh that's awesome, yeah, but still an explicit Yes.

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Speaker 2: That's one of the things that makes it awesome.

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Speaker 2: But the upside of my whole point was we knew

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Speaker 2: fanatics about it. And they said that about doing that

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, there was one chemist in particular name Antwin Lovoisier.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously French, and he was like, hey, you know

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Speaker 1: at that point it was spelled aluminum. But then later on,

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Speaker 3: Is aluminum? Can we just settle this?

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Speaker 1: And in nineteen twenty five, finally the American Chemical Society said, yes,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody else calls it aluminium. Yeah, they stuck with it,

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Speaker 2: So that Humphrey Davy, going back to him, probably one

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Speaker 2: It definitely was. And one reason why is because even

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Speaker 2: though Voler had come up with a method for extracting

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Speaker 2: So that made it a very precious metal, especially when,

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Speaker 2: And one of the reasons why I did not know this,

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Speaker 2: eighteen eighty four. Finished is in part because America was

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Speaker 2: showing off. Yeah, in eighteen eighty four, it was sill,

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Speaker 2: that represented one quarter of the annual production of all

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Speaker 2: that one six pound pyramid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty funny. Eight inches and six pounds, and

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Speaker 2: paid like seventy five hundred bucks in today's money for it,

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Speaker 2: that that pyramid went from like hero to zero almost overnight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it you know, it also served a purpose

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Speaker 2: So one of the things, Chuck, that we talked about

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Speaker 2: recycle aluminum cans. So much so that I read that

439
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 2: the can of say like coke or beer or whatever

440
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 2: you're drinking was probably in the exact same form in

441
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 2: a different life sixty days before. Each can has about

442
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: a sixty day life cycle from sale to use, to

443
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 2: recycling to reprocessing to repackaging to going back on the

444
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: store shelf. Again. Isn't that amazing? But it's not like

445
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 2: they just wash out the same can. It's completely disintegrated,

446
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: so it's not the exact same can, but it was

447
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: in some way that same can before. It's like that

448
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 2: ship we talked about, and does your body replace itself

449
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 2: if you slowly replace each part of the ship, when

450
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: you replace everything, is it's still the same ship? Same

451
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 2: question applies to aluminum cans. It turns out.

452
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we might as well finish up on

453
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 1: recycling and just say that we've tried to beat the

454
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: recycling drum over the years, and we know that there

455
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: are some problems with the recycling process for a lot

456
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: of stuff. I know glass is particularly problematic, but aluminum

457
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: is one of those that they have really really figured

458
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 1: out how to do it in a great efficient way,

459
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: and it's so recyclable and it's very easy to recycle.

460
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: Yet only fifty percent of aluminum and it's just cans,

461
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: just the cans that people drink. Only fifty percent of

462
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: those still are recycled. So just we implore you. We

463
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: try not to get on the old high horse, but

464
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: if you're not going to recycle anything else, please just

465
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: recycle those cans. It's so easy and it really really

466
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: makes a big dip.

467
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, it requires five percent of the carbon emissions

468
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 2: to recycle aluminum pound for pound then it does to

469
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 2: process it and create it initially five percent.

470
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: It's not a scam. It's not just going to some

471
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: landfill like. They've really got aluminum recycling down pat so

472
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: you can feel good about throwing that can and the

473
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: recycling and knowing that some other jerk next to you

474
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: will be drinking from almost that same can.

475
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 3: What two months later.

476
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 2: You said, yeah, about six, six to eight weeks.

477
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a wonderful thing. So recycle that aluminum.

478
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 2: There's a very often cited stat that I think goes

479
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 2: all the way back to two thousand and one. I

480
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: couldn't find a more updated one. But we throw away

481
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: so many aluminum cans that we could rebuild the entire

482
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 2: US commercial air fleet every three months with that aluminum

483
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 2: just thrown away. And the other thing talking about is recyclability.

484
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 2: If you can just recycle aluminum over and over and

485
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: over again, eventually we have enough that we've mined and

486
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: processed that we don't have to mine and process it

487
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: anymore because it's all getting recycled. So we could stop

488
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: to that now, right, No.

489
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 3: Not.

490
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 2: If we're we're only recycling fifty percent of our cans,

491
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 2: that means we have to we have to supplement the

492
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: recycled material with another fifty percent of new cans.

493
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but about seventy five percent of all aluminum ever

494
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: used is still being used.

495
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's true. So sure, I guess twenty.

496
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 3: There's some missing math in there somewhere.

497
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: Well, that's so we're talking cans and then we're talking

498
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: all aluminum.

499
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's true.

500
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently the building industry has a much higher recycling rate.

501
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 3: That's right, it's good for them.

502
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: You want it? Wow? Do you want to take another break? Yeah,

503
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 2: let's do it. Okay, Well here we are. Everybody taken

504
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: another break?

505
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: All right?

506
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: Everyone? Cans are great. We love those cans. But I love,

507
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: and I always have loved aluminum foil. I don't know

508
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: what it is about it. I think it's the I

509
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: think it's the fold ability of foil. I just love it.

510
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: I've had a roommate who used to make eat candy

511
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: and make little things out of gum wrappers, little little

512
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: swords and things and poke people, and I just, I

513
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,239
Speaker 1: don't know. I've always loved aluminum foil. I even make

514
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: the mistakes sometimes still calling it tinfoil, even though I

515
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: don't think it was at all, even around when I

516
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: was a kid. Even I'm not picked it up for

517
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: my grandmother or something.

518
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: Probably, I mean, everybody calls it tinfoil still.

519
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess so.

520
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: Even Adam Savage on his his Japanese fol oil ball

521
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: video called tinfoil yeah, which we'll talk about in a sec.

522
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: But in nineteen ten, there was a manufacturer, an aluminum manufacturer,

523
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: that said, all right, I can figure out how to

524
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: get this aluminum into these big rolled sheets, and we

525
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: can package candy in it, we can package tobacco in it,

526
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: And before you know it, in nineteen thirteen it hit

527
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: the US in the form of life savers, candy rolls,

528
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: and other kinds of candy bars. And then it didn't

529
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: take long before like the nineteen twenties, when it was

530
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: used as you know, the rolls of foil.

531
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 3: That very useful.

532
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: I still try to not use it because you know,

533
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: to you know, cutting, like reducing is the first thing

534
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: in reduce, reuse, recycle. So it's not like I'm just

535
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: like ripping tinfoil off all the time just to play

536
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: with it. But it is a very handy thing to

537
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: have in the house.

538
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: If you toss that aluminum foil ball in the recycling,

539
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. You can play with it all day long.

540
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: Heck yeah, because it's infinitely recyclable. I don't know if

541
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: we said that or not yet.

542
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: We've a bunch of times, but reducing is still better.

543
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: Sure, that's why it's number one on the list.

544
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: But it's so hard, Chuck.

545
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: To not play with illuminum boil.

546
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, to reduce, Yeah, it is. So we can't not

547
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: talk about the tinfoil hat too, Like think about it.

548
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: No one ever says the aluminum foil hat. They say

549
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: foil or tinfoil. Apparently, the Vice magazine traced it back

550
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: to a nineteen twenty seven story by al Juics Huxley's

551
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: brother Julian. I can't remember what it's called, and I

552
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: knew it. It's a great name too. Sorry, everybody, but

553
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: he develops this form of mass control. The scientists the

554
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: main character, and he uses a cap of metal foil

555
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: to prevent that mind control being used on him. And

556
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: as far as Vice Magazine's concerned, that's where the whole

557
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: thing began.

558
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 3: Who brother was this?

559
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: Al Juis Huxley. The door is a perception guy.

560
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: I think you added you did the josh Adavowl al Juis.

561
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always done that. I don't think I've ever

562
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: said his name other than al Juis Huxley.

563
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm surprised you don't say aluminium because they've added

564
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: the valeve for you.

565
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: I refuse to because I'm an American three and three.

566
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: I believe red, white and blue chuck.

567
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: That's right, all right, So that happened in what nineteen

568
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: twenty seven?

569
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: No, seriously, please call a doctor. My blood is white.

570
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's no, it can't be helped.

571
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: You're fine, You're fine. That was in nineteen twenty seven.

572
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: And then in World War Two there was a propaganda

573
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: broadcaster named William Joyce who talked about tinfoil hats protecting

574
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: against shrapnel.

575
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 3: So that was another use.

576
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that guy was a Nazi propagandist who was

577
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: trying to undermine the British morale. He was a real jerk.

578
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: They hung him named lord he ha ha.

579
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

580
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: I always want to say lord he haw. Actually I

581
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: want to say lord he haw haw because I always

582
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 2: had an extra vowel. But the upshot of all this,

583
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: I don't even know if that applies in this case.

584
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: But how about to wrap up this section like a

585
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: piece of aluminum foil. If you've ever watched Better Call

586
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: Saul the original, I guess the first couple of seasons

587
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: is brother. What's his brother's name?

588
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 3: I never seen the show.

589
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Well, Michael McKeon plays his brother very well.

590
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: He's a big jerk, but he has an electro magnetic sensitivity,

591
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: which they explore in depth, and he wraps himself in

592
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: magnetic foil anytime he wants to get out of the house.

593
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: But an MIT study in two thousand and five found

594
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: that doing that would actually amplify electromagnetic frequencies rather than

595
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: prevent them from entering your body or head.

596
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: No goods, then, yeah.

597
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: Tim, foil hat does not work, everybody.

598
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: I referenced the Japanese foil ball thing, and it's apparently

599
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: one of these internet challenges from like five years ago

600
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: that I had never heard of me either, so immediately

601
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: went and looked it up. And you know, it's basically

602
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: you take a big, you know, crinkly ball of foil

603
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: and you start hammering on it until you do it

604
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: so much that it ends up. You know, if you

605
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: just use the hammer, you can even get it down

606
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: to a pretty smoothish.

607
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 3: Aluminum ball.

608
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: I did see others though, that you know, then they

609
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: would get out some grinders and some sandpaper and stuff.

610
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: That feels like cheating.

611
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it depends on what you want to

612
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: up with it. They could have stopped and just said,

613
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: all right here, this is like really cool. But then

614
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: when you like sand it down and use the grinder

615
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: and use like polish and stuff, you can literally take

616
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: it to the point where it's a very very shiny.

617
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: It looks like almost like a solid chrome steel ball,

618
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: and it's really cool and fun to see. And I

619
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: think I want to try to do it.

620
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: I think you shouldn't. You should post it on Instagram.

621
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: Maybe, I mean, if I'm well, I'll post it either way.

622
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: I was going to say, if it's a success, but

623
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: it's even more fun if I screw it.

624
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: Up exactly totally. But that gets across how aluminum can

625
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 2: be decorative. So, like a lot of shiny paper or

626
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: shiny materials that are just shiny on one side, they're

627
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: coated in aluminum because they figured out a technique to

628
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: flash vaporize it in a vacuum and it goes whoop

629
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 2: and coats whatever happens to be in there with it.

630
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: That's the process they use it, flash vaporizing aluminum. You've

631
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: got to feel like some sort of god on Earth

632
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: when you're able to do that, when you press that button,

633
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: you know.

634
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's used in all kinds of buildings, kind of

635
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: starting with in the nineteen thirties in New York City

636
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: with the Empire State Building. Use a lot of aluminum.

637
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: It is used a lot in car making. They use

638
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: about eighteen percent of all aluminum is used in automaking

639
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: these days. And then I mean what else, Like you

640
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: mentioned the decorative paper, it's in toys, it's in medicine.

641
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: It can be an acid if it's aluminum hydroxide.

642
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, most over the counter an acids are made to that.

643
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still used topically, just like they did back

644
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: in the old days for burns and wounds and stuff

645
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: like that, and it's still in makeup.

646
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it plugs up your pors and your anti.

647
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,479
Speaker 1: Persprint, yeah, which we just talked about in What History

648
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: of Hygiene? That's right and apparently and I always thought

649
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: that that was not good at all, but Lvia pointed

650
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: out in that podcast, and you know, we can talk

651
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: about it from here too, that it is it has

652
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: not been proven decidedly that aluminum is really really bad

653
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: for your body and the quantities that you would normally

654
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: have aluminum.

655
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a scare back in about twenty eleven

656
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: that the aluminum in your anti perseprint was going to

657
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 2: give you breast cancer, and apparently that was just made

658
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: up on the internet and studies don't actually support that.

659
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: The new one is that aluminum and I shouldn't say new,

660
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: because I think it kind of started in the sixties

661
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: and seventies that there was some sort of correlation between

662
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 2: the tau protein tangles and plaques that are associated with

663
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: Alzheimer's and aluminum consumption. Was it in like mice or

664
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: rats that they found this in I think I.

665
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: Think it was mice, but they were I think they're

666
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: like injecting mice, right, And they ended up saying like

667
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: humans are never going to come into contact with this

668
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: much aluminum just from you know, being on the Earth

669
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: and using aluminum. I think they have found that there's

670
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 1: like aluminum in the drinking water supply of your town,

671
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: which has happened and is a real problem. Then if

672
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: you have Alzheimer's, that can accelerate it. But I don't

673
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,919
Speaker 1: think they have still linked it to like causing full

674
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: stop Alzheimer's.

675
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 2: No, but they have identified it as a neurotoxin because

676
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: remember how it's super reactive. It does the same thing

677
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 2: with cells in your body, including your neurons, so it

678
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: can really mess your brain up, and it causes double

679
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: strand breaks, which messes up your DNA. So when that

680
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 2: cell divides into another one that new cells, DNA is

681
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: messed up too, hence tumors too. So there are problems.

682
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: That's aluminum, Like you said, it is in the water supply.

683
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: It's really in a lot of surprising places, and we

684
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 2: put those things in our body. Again, want to point

685
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: out before the twentieth century, this didn't happen. People weren't

686
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: like ingesting aluminum. It just didn't exist in that form

687
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: on Earth. Right, that's a new thing. But it does

688
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 2: seem that despite it not being used in any biological process,

689
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: despite it being very new, and so the human body

690
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: has not really encountered this and gotten used to it.

691
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: Our kidneys are supposedly very very efficient at flushing aluminum

692
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: right out of the body about as fast as it

693
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: comes in. Yeah, I mean, that's that's impressive.

694
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 3: It is, And that's the that's where it stands right now.

695
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone has like closed the book and said, well,

696
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: we're just not going to study this anymore.

697
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 3: Right, but right now that's where things stand.

698
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 4: Yes.

699
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: One problem with aluminum is that there have been instances

700
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: fairly recently about aluminum hoarding. In the early twenty tens,

701
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: the Go Goldman Sax Company, they bought a warehouse complex

702
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: outside of Detroit, Michigan, and they stored aluminum for producers

703
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: and for banks and for people who traded aluminum. And

704
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: they said, you know, at a certain point in the

705
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: years that followed, buyers are trying to get a hold

706
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: of aluminum, and all of a sudden, what used to

707
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,959
Speaker 1: take you know, a month a month and a half

708
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: to get was taking a year or more to get

709
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: and it was a real problem, and there were people

710
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: like beer companies and soft drink companies were saying, what's

711
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: going on. This is costing us millions and billions of

712
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: dollars waiting on these aluminum delays. And Goldman Sacks was like, Hey,

713
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, we don't have enough forklift drivers and trucks

714
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: and that's the problem. It's not us telling everyone to

715
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: hold on to that aluminum to make a false supply

716
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: issue so we can charge more for it. But the

717
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: New York Times came along and said, none, that's exactly

718
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: what's going on. You're just increasing profits by creating a

719
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 1: false supply.

720
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. What's interesting is the aluminum market. Aluminium as a

721
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: commodity is in like the supply is tracked so closely that,

722
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: you know, just little instances of hoarding like that, if

723
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: it happens like enough times, it can it can affect

724
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: like the price pretty easily. The supply can just stop.

725
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: People do that. When it's really cheap, they'll do what

726
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 2: Goldman Sex did, it just buy up supply and sit

727
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: on it until it goes up in price. Because in

728
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: part you're sitting on the supply and then you just

729
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: kind of slowly reintroduce it to the market so that

730
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 2: you don't drop that high price while you're still raking

731
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: in the dough by selling the aluminum you have. And

732
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: to be fair, Goldman Sex was far from the only

733
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: investment bank doing this running these kind of warehouses. But

734
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: this is the early twenty tens, fresh off of the

735
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: financial meltdown that Goldman Sex got bailed out for, so

736
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: everybody was they were just pointing out Goldman Sex alone.

737
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair, I think. So that's as fair as

738
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 3: you get.

739
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: It's called tit for tat, buddy.

740
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 3: In this case.

741
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: Even just a couple of years ago, in twenty twenty one,

742
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: they found aluminum hoarding going on in Vietnam to the

743
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: tune of about up to five billion dollars worth of aluminum.

744
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: They said, this may be the largest aluminum horde that's

745
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: ever been And like you said, people are just you know,

746
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: doing the wrong thing. And the prices really fluctuated quickly.

747
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: I think there was a low of about fifteen hundred

748
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: dollars a ton during the pandemic shutdown, and then they

749
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: went to about thirty five hundred dollars a ton, just

750
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: a couple of years later.

751
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very big, very sensitive. The price is very sensitive.

752
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 2: China is a big producer now, and they've figured out

753
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: that when they throttle or dial back supply, they can

754
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: change the price pretty easily themselves too. So it's a

755
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: it's a strange market, especially if we stop mining it.

756
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: I want to know what's going to happen to the

757
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: price when we just say, okay, we have our aluminum

758
00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: supply and now we're just circulating it throughout the economy, Like,

759
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: is that gonnke? Is that going to make it more

760
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: expensive less expensive? I'm curious what will happen to that.

761
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: Well, the cynical human in me thinks that they will

762
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: then find a way to maximize profits there by doing

763
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 1: something untoward.

764
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 2: Probably you don't have much faith and commodity traders, huh,

765
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: I know. So one other reason Chuck to make it

766
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: to this circular economic status for aluminum where we've mined

767
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 2: everything that we need and we're just reusing the stock

768
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: is because box site mining is really really bad for

769
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 2: the environment. Most mining is, but any kind of strip

770
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: mining is really bad because it just completely depletes the

771
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: land of everything it needs to keep itself going. Box

772
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: site also really pollutes water supplies to with other heavy metals.

773
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: And then also because it's so energy intensive, just the

774
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 2: box site mining produces three percent of the world's direct

775
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: CO two emissions. Just the mining, not startling, not processing

776
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: it into aluminum, just the mining alone does that.

777
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's uh yeah, three percent. I mean three is

778
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: a small number, but we were talking about all of

779
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: the CO two emissions on planet Earth coming from one

780
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: single process.

781
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 3: That's that's staggering.

782
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so start looking around if you're like, just

783
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: ask yourself before you throw something, await, is this aluminum?

784
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: If the answers, yes, throw it in recycling, then yeah.

785
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: And you know, world War two there were kids turning

786
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: in their gum wrappers for the war effort to get

787
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: aluminum recycled, so.

788
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 3: Be more like World War two kids.

789
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: Someone apparently suggested melting down the Washington Monument cap during

790
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: that time, but everybody just kind of didn't say anything

791
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 2: about it, just what.

792
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 3: It did they really?

793
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody did.

794
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 3: And people are like, how do you even know that?

795
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: Right, that's a really arcane piece of trivia. Yeah, okay,

796
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: well that's it for aluminum everybody. And that means, of course,

797
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 2: it's time for listener mail.

798
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this airplane etiquette. Did you read this

799
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: one yet?

800
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: I don't think that I didn't.

801
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 3: This is fresh offor presses.

802
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: But I'm also gonna call it, am I the a

803
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: hole because this is sort of what this person is

804
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: asking a little bit with this airplane situation that this

805
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: gentleman was on recently, and it is asking for advice.

806
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: And like, did I do the wrong thing?

807
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: Oh boy?

808
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna read sort of a shorter version. But

809
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: needless to say, Frank is really into the show and

810
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: very thankful for it. So Frank and his wife were

811
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: on a comfort plus flight from our good friends at

812
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: Delta recently and they were in the you know, the

813
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: aisle seat in the middle seat.

814
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 3: I believe Frank was on the aisle. He's tall. His

815
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 3: wife took the.

816
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: Middle seat and they were bored and seat belted when

817
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: a passenger assigned to the windows heat arrived.

818
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 3: It's a courtesy.

819
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: My wife and I turned our leg sideways so he

820
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: would have an easier time sliding past us. But he

821
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: said that he doesn't feel comfortable sliding past people like

822
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: that and asked us to get up and let him in.

823
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: I mentioned there was plenty of room for him to

824
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: slide past, since we were in comfort plus, but he

825
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: insisted we get up, so we unbuckled, We.

826
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 3: Got up, and we let him in.

827
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: When we were preparing to land, about ten minutes out,

828
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: the same passenger decided they needed to use the restroom.

829
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: He asked my wife and I to get up again

830
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: to slide out. I was watching a movie at the time,

831
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: so I had to pause the movie. Oh my God,

832
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: fold the arm that holds the screen back into the seat,

833
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: you know. Sometimes they come out of the arm there,

834
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: and then fold up my tray holding my drink into

835
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: the seat so he could get it out. I did this,

836
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: turn my leg sideway so we could slide out, and

837
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 1: this angered him, and he showed his displeasure by sliding

838
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: past us angrily and shaking his head in an exaggerated manner.

839
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 3: So this is where we are so far.

840
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: He returned from the restroom and then asked again if

841
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: we would get up this time and let him in.

842
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: I mentioned to him that he slid pats us getting

843
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: out quite easily, so can't you just do that sliding

844
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: back in? He said, no, I feel uncomfortable sliding past,

845
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: and he called the flight attendant to come over. And

846
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: the flight attendant arrived and was fairly puzzled. I think

847
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: he was. The flight attendant was confused as to what

848
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: was going on. I knew the situation was beginning to

849
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: stress my wife out, and quite frankly me as well.

850
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: Not wanting to cause any more stress issues because we

851
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: were landing, I relented, unbuckled and stood up again, and

852
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: my wife did the same. So before we get into this,

853
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: just may finish this last part, which is what bothers me,

854
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: is the h he kept saying he's not comfortable doing so.

855
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: He never said why he was uncomfortable, and that he

856
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: just insisted that people unbuckle and stand What about my comfort,

857
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: life's comfort. What if we weren't comfortable unbuckling and getting

858
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: up because you're supposed to remain seat belt at all

859
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: times in case of turbulence. But if my wife was

860
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: nine months pregnant, But if I was an eighty year

861
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 1: old man with bad knees, what if I had anxiety

862
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: about unbuckling? So the wife, I'm sorry. The flight attendant

863
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: never said anything. And my question to you guys is

864
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: what is the proper etiquette that did a lot of

865
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: internet searches couldn't find an answer. Passengers in his twenties.

866
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: My wife and I in her mid fifties. We were

867
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: in good shape, so it wouldn't a health issue. But

868
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: I thought this man was an entitled young man who's

869
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: never been told no in his life.

870
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 3: All right, that's from Frank. So what do you say?

871
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: I mean, Frank, I think yes, you were the a

872
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 2: hole in this in this instance, Oh for sure.

873
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 3: Well here's what I'll say.

874
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, now I have to explain. I can't just

875
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Speaker 2: be like, sure, there you go, that's my ja.

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Speaker 3: It sounded like you were, dude no, So.

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Speaker 2: Like the it seems like you were put out because

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Speaker 2: you're being asked to do something you didn't want to do.

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Speaker 2: It didn't have anything to do with your comfort level.

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Speaker 2: And the examples that you came up with for at

881
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: that man intruding on your comfort level were just made up,

882
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Speaker 2: Like you're not eighty, your wife isn't pregnant. You were

883
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: just annoyed. That guy sounded like he had like a

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Speaker 2: real thing about pushing past people's knees, maybe touching other

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00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 2: people physical contact. Sounds like he was not into that

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Speaker 2: at all. Some people are not into that to a

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Speaker 2: clinical degree, and I feel like, whoever's more put out,

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Speaker 2: you should just refer to them. It just makes things

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00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: so much more pleasant than saying no to somebody who's

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Speaker 2: asking you to do something for them that really is

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Speaker 2: no skin off of your.

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Speaker 4: Back at all.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think you are an a hole like necessarily,

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Speaker 2: but I think in this case, if there was an

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Speaker 2: a hole, it was it was you. Okay, okay, check,

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Speaker 2: now I'm done.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: I agree in that. My philosophy is two parts. One is,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're all on this plane together, everyone's crammed

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Speaker 1: in there, and it's just one of those social situations

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Speaker 1: where I think everyone should just do their best to

902
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Speaker 1: just work it all out and.

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Speaker 3: Get along while you're done.

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Speaker 1: In that short time that you're forced to be rammed

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Speaker 1: in there together, you know, like just help each other out.

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Speaker 1: It's just a lot easier, a lot less friction. No

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Speaker 1: one likes to be on those planes anyway. And then

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Speaker 1: the second part is I think there's an implicit thing

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Speaker 1: where if you're an aile seed person. I'm an ile

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Speaker 1: seed person, you know that you're gonna have to get

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Speaker 1: up and let people out, Like I like an aisle

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Speaker 1: seat at a concert and at a sports game, and

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Speaker 1: you're going to get up and down a lot and

914
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Speaker 1: let people in who have to use the bathroom or

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Speaker 1: get their beer or whatever. And it's the same on

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Speaker 1: a plane, Like, you know what you're getting into with

917
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Speaker 1: an aisle seat. That's if you want it. I love

918
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Speaker 1: the aisle seat, but you got a you know what's coming.

919
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Speaker 1: Otherwise you could sit by the window, and that's what

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Speaker 1: you do if you know, Like I'm just I'm going

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Speaker 1: to sleep. I know, I don't pee on airplanes. I

922
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Speaker 1: don't want to be bothered, so I'll just take that

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Speaker 1: window seat. So that's my thing, is you know what

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Speaker 1: you're getting into if you're in an aisle seat, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to get up. I think people should always

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Speaker 1: get up. It's just easier. I don't like sliding my

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Speaker 1: crutch or my butt past somebody's face what at all ever,

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Speaker 1: So like it's a reasonable thing I think to say,

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Speaker 1: you know, would you mind just standing up and letting

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Speaker 1: me in? And that's what I think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was one another there was one other red

932
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Speaker 2: flag that I that caught my attention was when Frank

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Speaker 2: suggested that this guy was just an entitled young man

934
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Speaker 2: who no one had said no to in his life.

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Speaker 2: That sounds then that you were doing this out of hostility,

936
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Speaker 2: not just because you felt like you were being put out,

937
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Speaker 2: but because you wanted to be an obstacle in this

938
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Speaker 2: man's life, be the person who said no to him.

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Speaker 2: And again, that's just hostile, and I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: It flies in the face of just going along and

941
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Speaker 2: getting along while we're on this flight together so everybody

942
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Speaker 2: can get off and never see each other again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we weren't there, so kid may have been

944
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Speaker 1: very sarcastic and nodded and acted like sort of a jerk,

945
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Speaker 1: but he may have thought that you drew first blood. True,

946
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Speaker 1: you know. So that's where we stand. And Frank, you're

947
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Speaker 1: certainly not an ahole. You're sound like a sweet guy

948
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Speaker 1: who listens to the show and it means a lot

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 3: So we're not we're not calling you out for that.

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Speaker 2: But he literally wrote in and asked, but you did.

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Speaker 1: Ask, and that's our stances. Just get out, let the

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Speaker 1: guy out, live and let live. And if you see

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Speaker 1: that same twenty year old kid asking some old person

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Speaker 1: who has bad knees like, that's a different situation'suly different.

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Speaker 2: We were responding strictly to the to the situation as

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Speaker 2: it was presented.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, all right, boy. We could have a whole

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Speaker 3: other show where we did this.

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Speaker 2: We could think we would routinely get ourselves into trouble though.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Instead, listen to the Ultimate Judge, our friend Judge John.

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Speaker 2: Hodgman on what the Max Fun Network?

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Speaker 4: That's right?

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Speaker 2: Nice, Well, since we shouted out the Max Fun Network

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Speaker 2: and I already ended the episode, and now listener mails

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Speaker 2: over if you want to be like Frank. Frank, by

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Speaker 2: the way, thank you for being brave and putting yourself

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Speaker 2: out there like that. If you want to put yourself

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Speaker 2: out there like that, you can give a shot. Maybe

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Speaker 2: we'll answer it, who knows. Either way. You can give

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Speaker 2: it a try by sending an email to Stuff podcast

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Speaker 2: at iHeartRadio dot com.

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