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Speaker 1: with the USA hockey situation that that was just I

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Speaker 1: We appreciate everyone watching. So let's just uh, let's dive

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Speaker 1: Like we're big sports people. We like sports. I grew

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Speaker 1: all all your front office and coaching staff is returning,

428
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 1: you have spent the last month plus determining these three

429
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 1: or four guys are number one targets. Well, how much

430
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 1: are those guys are gonna cost? And can we afford

431
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: to have them in our salary cap? And if we can't,

432
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: can we manipulate some guys that are on our team

433
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: move some money back and figure out a way to

434
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: keep them. So to me, it's all about in a

435
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 1: couple of weeks free agency hits, setting that up and

436
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: then factored into that if you are teams interested a

437
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: lot of these new teams, you know, whether you're the Dolphins,

438
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,719
Speaker 1: the Harball, the Ravens, all these teams have new coaches.

439
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 1: So are there were there players on the staff or

440
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: excuse me, on the roster even if the GM you know,

441
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: Joe Shane is technically just a college scouty director now,

442
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: but you know, do we have guys on this roster?

443
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: That are not gonna fit, that might be good players,

444
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: but are not gonna fit what we want to do

445
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: on offensive defense, because if we do, we're gonna be

446
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: interested in trading them. So that gets out this week, Hey,

447
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: these five players were open to trading, and then you

448
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: find a market or hey, we'd be interested in these

449
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: three guys. Would you be interested in trading them? How

450
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: much are they gonna like? What do you want for them?

451
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 1: And then clearly the big name guys, everyone's gonna be

452
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: asking about AJ Brown, and everyone's gonna be asking about

453
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: Max Crosby. And there are probably other several other players

454
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: that we will find out over the course of the

455
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: next week that are also available for trade. What's it

456
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 1: gonna cost? Obviously, Max Crosby. I was texting with a

457
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, a pretty accomplished coach over the course of

458
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: the last week, and he's like, I'd be a little

459
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: stunned if they traded Max Crosby. They just elevated the

460
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: defensive line coach who is Max Crosby's boy to the

461
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator for the Raiders, And a lot of people

462
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 1: are in the league think that's a sign are gonna

463
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: desperately try to keep them in their good graces and

464
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: keep them on their team, which don't blame you. He's

465
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: one of the best players in the league and very

466
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: well respected. But I think they're gonna treat this like

467
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: an NBA player, like a Yahnis of, like, well, what

468
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: would it cost to get him if you would entertain

469
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: trading him to me? AJ Brown thing's a little more complicated.

470
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: He's a little bit of an older player now when

471
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: he's on a SOLI elite who's productions dipped a little

472
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: bit the last couple of years, and he's really really

473
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: expensive in a league where you can find wide receivers

474
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: kind of easily. Now, maybe not to AJ Brown's level,

475
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: but could I sign two guys, sign a guy, and

476
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: draft a guy for way cheaper than trading a second

477
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: round pick for a thirty two million dollar guy. So

478
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: I do wonder if that thing's if AJ Brown ends

479
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: up going for less than you would think a player

480
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: of his status and talent would go for. We're on

481
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 1: the flip side. I think if Max Crosby was t's rated,

482
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: my guess would be you get multiple first round picks.

483
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: And if I was a team the Bears, the Lions,

484
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: the Bills those type team and the Eagles, I would

485
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: have no problem giving multiple first round picks. Still risky,

486
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: and then this is football, guys get hurt. He's a

487
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: little bit older, he's finished the last couple of years injured,

488
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: But I would have no problem making a very aggressive

489
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: bid to land Max Crosby. He is that good, he's

490
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: that serious, he plays that hard, and he's that dominant

491
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: of a player. I can't even imagine if you put

492
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: him on a good team what he would look like.

493
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: I mean, he's played on one of the worst teams

494
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: in the league over the last several years and is

495
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: clearly one of the best players in the league. What

496
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: would he look like on a team that's winning twelve

497
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: to fourteen games, that has help around him. I mean,

498
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: it would be pretty scary. It would kind of look

499
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: like Michah Parsons this year on the Packers was like,

500
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 1: holy shit, the sky looks good. Okay, so we got

501
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: that out of the way. To me, the second most

502
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: important thing is just meeting the draft guys. And this

503
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: is where the Rams and the Jags guy Gladstone, they

504
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 1: feel this creates some bias. At the end of the day,

505
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: you are acquiring human beings. And while your scout, whether

506
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: it's at the SEC Scout, your West Coast scout, whoever

507
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 1: has met these guys. Maybe your college director has met

508
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: these players in an All Star game or when they've

509
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: gone to the school. Your GM and your coach have

510
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: never met these guys. Now, what can you make in

511
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: a fifteen twenty minute interview with the player? Obviously you

512
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: got to take it with a grain of salt, But

513
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: I do like meeting other individuals. If I'm going to

514
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: be in the business of using a high draft pick

515
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: on them, that kind of matters. And also meeting a

516
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: guy if you have some questions, what does he do

517
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: when we ask him something that maybe isn't that comfortable

518
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: And it doesn't have to be Hey, remember when you

519
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: got your second DUI at nineteen years old. It could

520
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: be as simply as something like this is what we

521
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: saw on tape and it really bothers us. What do

522
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: you have to say for it to see what he answers?

523
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: And I think there's value in meeting people. I think

524
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: we would all agree. In this world. I mean, several

525
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: years ago, it's like no one's ever gonna meet in

526
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: person again. Everything's gonna be Zoom business. Travel's done. It's like, no,

527
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: actually it's not. I flew across the country last year

528
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: to help land deal and it mattered and it worked.

529
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: Why Because talking to people face to face will always

530
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: have value, at least for the foreseeable future. And I

531
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: think that's no different when it comes to football, just

532
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: like it's no different than whatever business we're in. And

533
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: I think meeting these guys initially really matters and laying

534
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: the groundwork of a relationship that you can build on

535
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: and see if this is something you'd be interested in.

536
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: Because for as much as you are drafting the player

537
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: to put on the pads and make tackles and throw

538
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,959
Speaker 1: touchdowns and catch touchdowns, you are signing the player. This

539
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: goes back to the James Pierce situation. No one and

540
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: I repeat nobody in the NFL would have said last year,

541
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: at this time James Pierce couldn't play football that that

542
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: guy is like, holy shit, this guy's a big time

543
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: talent in any draft. He's a top fifteen ish talent.

544
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: But we're not comfortable with the guy. But with those

545
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: type players, I want to get to know the guy.

546
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: That's the business we're in to do the research, to

547
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: do the detective work, to do the vetting of the

548
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: human being. It's not that complicated. So I can never

549
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: get on board with these guys not valuing the combine

550
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: when it just comes to meeting the guys two or

551
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: excuse me. The second part of the draft prospects, and

552
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: you could argue this is equally as important, at least

553
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: with anyone that has question marks, is the injury information.

554
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: The NFL differs from baseball and basketball. They gave basketball,

555
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: these guys go. These guys don't give out injury information.

556
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: I remember, listen, I grew up a Sacramento Kings fan.

557
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: The top prospects still to this day, like withhold medical

558
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: information from the Kinks. It's like, yeah, we're just not

559
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: gonna give it to you. Why because we just fucking

560
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: think you're a joke. That's why. In the NFL, these

561
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: guys go to the common and they go to a

562
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: medical check where every trainer, every doctor is there and

563
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: they get full on physicals. So sometimes you know, a

564
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: guy's never been injured, he's never had an issue, and

565
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: then something comes up. And before this has also saved

566
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: people's lives. They found situations with regular heartbeats that. There

567
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: have been countless examples of that. And this is also

568
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: where you get into kind of weird territory where one

569
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: team and their doctor will go, we have this guy's

570
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: a medical red flag. We do not think he will

571
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: last more than two or three years, and so that

572
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: team like what you're supposed to do as a GM

573
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: or a coach. He's got a list of your doctor

574
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: and then you take him off the draft board, and

575
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, that guy has a ten

576
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: year career, makes a couple of Pro Bowls, and you're like, well,

577
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: we really like the player, and our doctor told us

578
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: not to do it, and there's nothing you can really

579
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: do about that. That's the subjective nature of this time

580
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: of year. I mean, most famously, it potentially derailed Nick

581
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: Saban's career in the National Football League. The Miami Dolphins

582
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: team doctor failed Drew Brees on a physical. The Saints

583
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: clearly did not. How'd that work out? Now, it worked

584
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: out for Saban at least in college, but not in

585
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: the pros So I just think that the medical information

586
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: during this time of year is extremely important, and every

587
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: team is. It's one of the biggest priorities of the

588
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: combine and last, but not least, and I think this

589
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: is diminished over time. The on the field work. You know,

590
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: Belichick's big thing always was now you could hit him

591
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: on drafting as he got older. But we're not signing

592
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: guys to lift two hundred and twenty five pounds, We're

593
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: not signing guys to run the short shuttle. We're signing

594
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: guys to play football. Right, So the underwear Olympics gets

595
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: some pushback, which I understand, though there are some basic

596
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: metrics that you need to be able to do to

597
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: excel in the NFL. Right, you can't be a four

598
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: eight corner that ain't gonna work. I don't give a

599
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: shit what defensive scheme you run, right, So obviously there

600
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: are some basic metrics that you run. The biggest part

601
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: of the on the field workout, whether it's the forties,

602
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: whether it's some of the the short athletic testing, whether

603
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: it's the jumping, whether it's just some basic open field movements,

604
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: it's comparing it to previous drafts. So when I say, hey,

605
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: this wide receiver reminds me of Zay Flowers, or this

606
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: guy reminds me of Fletcher Cox, or this guy reminds

607
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: me of whoever, Well, we can put their tape against

608
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: each other, and then we can put their physical metrics

609
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: against each other. It's I say it all the time.

610
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: It's a lot like real estate. The physical testing determines

611
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: your market value in the draft. It does not determine

612
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be a good player or bad player.

613
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: It just determines what I have to pay for you.

614
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: So if you run a really slow time as a

615
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: wide receiver, you're probably not gonna go super high. So

616
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: I still might really like you. Can I get you

617
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: in the third round, Poka Nakua, Davonte Adams, I can

618
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: get I don't have to draft in the top fifty.

619
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 1: Davante might have been I think he was like fifty

620
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: five or whatever. But that's my point. Keenan Allen ran

621
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: a four to seven to seven. Did that derail his career? No?

622
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: Why could he get open? DeAndre Hopkins probably couldn't run

623
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: a five zero forty right now? Doesn't matter. Elite Condesta

624
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: catching guy. So I think a lot of guys like

625
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: one of the stories right now is Fernando Mendoza is

626
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: not gonna throw at the combine. Don't blame him. He

627
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: just played sixteen games. He played one of the most

628
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: important four game stretches in the history of college football.

629
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: Beat Ohio State, beat Alabama, beat Oregon, and beat Miami.

630
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: Every team in the league watched every single snap of

631
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: those games in terms of their scouting department. Like, you've

632
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: seen enough, and you've seen over the body of work

633
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: of this year. He's been a multi year starter, Like

634
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: he honestly doesn't need to throw in one of his

635
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: big things. I will throw. I'll just throw out the

636
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: pro day with my guys. Don't blame him. A lot

637
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: of these guys, if some of the Miami guys, some

638
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: of the Ohio State guys, Like I've seen these guys

639
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: play a lot of games, like what the film is

640
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: what matters, And as long as they do that at

641
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:08,920
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Speaker 1: deal with it. I don't have a big issue with it.

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00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: And if some guys don't want to, like do some

644
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: open field workouts and want to do individual work ats

645
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: with teams like that doesn't bother me either. The world

646
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: has changed. It used to really bother teams. I think

647
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: it bothers teams way less and less in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: So there's still a lot of value with the combine.

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00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: There's still a lot of interest with the combine. I

650
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: think the combine has become a lot different for teams.

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00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: It used to be a grind used to do workouts.

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00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: You know, once the workouts start, like Thursday through Monday,

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Speaker 1: interviewing guys till like eleven thirty midnight. I mean, they

655
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: were long days. Now the interviews. I was texted with

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00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,840
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657
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: it's way easier. You get interviews closer to the morning.

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00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,960
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00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:06,160
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00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:18,879
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Speaker 1: And for those of us that don't live in the

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00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: I'm like damn, they're gonna move a long way away,

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00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: and then you hear people break it down. It's technically

689
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: like thirty miles from where they play now, but when

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00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,840
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00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: depending on where you live, it could be a couple

692
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: hour drives. Like, Okay, it's not as crazy. But when

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00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: I was in radio we had the Raiders, and an

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00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: enormous story during that period of time was the relocation

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Speaker 1: of the Rams, the Chargers, and the Raiders. And my

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00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: my overall take is as a fan, it is exhausting.

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00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:09,160
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00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: Even looking back, I was biased because I was in

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Speaker 1: business with the Raiders. I didn't want them to move,

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00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: so I rooted for them to stay. Though big picture,

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00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: you would much rather be from a financial standpoint, in

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00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: Vegas than in the city of Oakland, especially when you

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Speaker 1: factor in there's another team that takes up all the

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00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: resources in the area given us. The forty nine Ers

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00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: and the Warriors had left, and then obviously the A's

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00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: had decerately been trying to leave forever. And you think

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00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: they've pulled it off. They're currently playing at a Triple

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00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: A Stadium, Sacramento. But the point is, like every team

709
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: left Oakland. The Raiders weren't alone. The Rams had been

710
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: stolen from Los Angeles. So when you know back, I

711
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: remember Joe Buckett and so mad. It's like the only

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00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: reason you had the Rams because you took him from

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles. They weren't technically your team San Diego. I

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Speaker 1: woulds they would stayed in San Diego financially from knowing

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00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 1: people around that organization. It was the right economic move.

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00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: And this stuff is all about economics. This situation happens

717
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: when there are two variables. And I ultimately got fired

718
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: for this because well this and I used to piss

719
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: Mark Davis off because I used to their team was terrible.

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00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: I did the postgame show and I used to be like,

721
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: this is awful. But they used to get really, really

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00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: mad when I would come on air and talk about

723
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: how stupid the move was. Like they wanted me to

724
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: be like an activist push propaganda, and I was like,

725
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: I you shouldn't move to Vegas now if I removed

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00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: my emotional attachment to the At the time, all the

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00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: people in my life were like, it's a no brainer move.

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00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: It was a no brainer Moove, and financially, the Raiders

729
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: are way better off now than they were when I

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00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: was around them and they were in major, major economic trouble.

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Speaker 1: The Bears are on a higher level because they're in

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00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: a major one of our biggest cities in America that

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00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: has unlimited financial capital in terms of to invest in

734
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: the team, sponsorships, sweets like they will have no problem

735
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: printing money. But like the Raider situation, like the Bengals situation,

736
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: their owners do not have liquid cash. And whenever I

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00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: see people online of like we do not give billionaire's

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Speaker 1: tax breaks. There's a big difference between a David Tepper

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00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: who owns the Panthers. I just saw a headline that

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00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: Steve Cohen made more money last year than any other

741
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: head fund in America. Steve cohen profit was three point

742
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: four billion dollars. David Temper was right behind him at

743
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: three point two billion dollars. That has nothing to do

744
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: with the Carolina Panthers. He made three point two billion

745
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: dollars in his side business. Well, he'd say probably his

746
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 1: main business, but maybe the Panthers are his main business.

747
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, David Tepper is a

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00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: money printing machine. You see this with Steve Bomber. There

749
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: is no amount of money that's any issue to the guy. Hell,

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Speaker 1: he hates that there is a salary cap in the

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00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: business that he's in now in the NBA because it

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00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: neutralizes his ability to outspend people. Right, And so when

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00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 1: you look at the Bears, their family does not flush

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00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: with cash. Stan Kronkie, we had Alguido on and he

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00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: was talking about the cost of making these stadiums and

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Speaker 1: he mentioned there was a six billion dollar stadium. You know,

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Speaker 1: New paid for that stan Kronky in cash, maybe not

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Speaker 1: all cash, but he paid for it all stand But

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00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: that's that's his He owns that himself. He rents it

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00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: out to the Chargers for a dollar a year, which

761
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 1: is in the hell of a deal. But it stands

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00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: why because he has an ungodly amount of money. When

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Speaker 1: you want to build one of these stadiums and you're

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Speaker 1: someone like the Raiders seven eight years ago, they needed help.

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00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: They could not do it on their own, not because

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Speaker 1: they're these filthy rich guys that are hoarding all this.

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00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: They don't have the money. They can't do it. And

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Speaker 1: whenever I see people, if you can't afford to build

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00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: the stadium, you should sell the team. That's a right

770
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: mindset and theory knowing thinks like that, and the mccaskeys

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Speaker 1: definitely are not selling the team, at least for the

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Speaker 1: foreseeable future. So if they're gonna build one of these stadiums,

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Speaker 1: especially in a place like Chicago, it's gonna be expensive

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Speaker 1: as shit. And they do not have the cash to

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Speaker 1: spend three four billion dollars, which I'm sure that's what

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Speaker 1: it would cost in Chicago. When you factor in the unions,

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Speaker 1: when you factor in all the red tape, when you

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Speaker 1: factor in the building costs, it would be astronomical. It

779
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: was like the forty nine Ers when they built in

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Speaker 1: Silicon Valley, which they got a lot of shit for.

781
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 1: Because the stadium was much closer to the city. They

782
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 1: could not build the stadium on their own. They needed help,

783
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: and Santa Claric gave them that help. They gave them

784
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: a lot of money to help build the stadium in

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Speaker 1: forty nine Ers splin a lot of the profits with them.

786
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: Why because the Yorks did not have the money to

787
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: do it. So these situations are only possible to get

788
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: this weird twofold. The owners don't have money, and you

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00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: get to these politicians that are just kind of wacky.

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00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: In Chicago, politicians like, oh, politicians are big on our

791
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: taxpayer dollars, are not gonna go toward a team, which listen, okay,

792
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: but are you gonna lose the Chicago Bears? Are you

793
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: gonna lose the Chicago Bears? Like? Is that gonna go

794
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: on your watch? The Chicago Bears leaf cause I've seen

795
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: this song and dance before. They might leave if you

796
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 1: do not help them, they might leave. And that goes

797
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: on your watch, which is okay, just do it, just

798
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: deal with it. And here's the thing is the NFL

799
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: they were like, I remember in Oakland, we're not dealing

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Speaker 1: with Libby Shaft. We would never do business with this

801
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: human being. So we're not gonna like get into this

802
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: war of fucking power. Fuck you were out. And that's

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00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: how that operated. And I could see Chicago going like

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00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: this too. With I saw the mayor, the chubby billionaire

805
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: JP whatever his last name is. One of his big

806
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: things was like, you know, we've talked to him and

807
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: we're big on affordability. So if we do help you,

808
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: we got to make these tickets. So he's trying to

809
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: determine what they can and sell tickets like this is

810
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: never gonna work. This is They're just had an impasse

811
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: and this thing could get a lot uglier before it

812
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 1: gets better. But here's what I know. If I'm Roger Goodell,

813
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: I gotta have Chicago Bears in Chicago. So we got

814
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to make this happen. And

815
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: I googled it the Bears. The mccaskey's own eighty percent

816
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: of the Bears, which is obviously a large chunk. Do

817
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: they have to sell some percentage to help have people

818
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: come in and get them, kind of like the Raiders

819
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: did with Brady's crew of super billionaires. I don't know.

820
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: But if I'm Goodell, I just can't have the Bears

821
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: be playing in Indiana. I just I really can't. So

822
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: I wonder when the league gets involved, which I would

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00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: imagine will be relatively quick before a ground's ever broken.

824
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Speaker 1: But I've seen it before, I would not. Just like,

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00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: I don't think some of these reporters are doing like

826
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: propaganda for the Bears to go like this is real,

827
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: Like I think we're far enough along, like yeah, this

828
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: is real, Like this is real? They don't have the

829
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: money to build in Chicago. They are, you know, in

830
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Speaker 1: downtown Chicago, which is ideal whenever you're in one of

831
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: these major cities to put a stadium down there, But

832
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: if you don't have unlimited cash, it is not financially

833
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: viable to do it because you don't have the money.

834
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: So I think these situations take on a life of

835
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 1: their own, and I think the situation has got a

836
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: chance to get a lot weirder, right, I mean a

837
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: lot of I know several people that are associated with

838
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: the Big Ten, like Kevin Warren is not exactly viewed

839
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: as some like genius deal maker. Obviously, the people the

840
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: politicians in Chicago are not exactly viewed like Warren Buffett

841
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: when it comes to fucking handling money. So you got

842
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: a lot of different moving parts here. My bet would

843
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: be this situation's gonna get a lot more bizarre before

844
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 1: we ever get Oh, they've just figured something out all

845
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: as well. With the Chicago Bears, my take is the

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Speaker 1: Chicago Bear's got to play in Chicago. Cogo Bears gott

847
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: to play in Chicago, right, I don't think that would change, right.

848
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: The Kansas City, Missouri thing like moving across, Like, that's

849
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: not as weird Chicago. Bears got to play in Chicago now,

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00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: whether that's in the suburbs or whatever. I'm not as

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00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: cut up on that. Like I'm not as bothered with

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers playing in Silicon Valley as some people.

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Speaker 1: At first, it's like this kind of stupid overtimes. Like

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Speaker 1: I get it. It's a longer drive. You're coming from

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Speaker 1: Sacramento Candlestick there. It is what it is. Some people

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Speaker 1: like it. If you lived in San Jose, it's great.

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Speaker 1: It's way closer, so buckle up. I guess if you're

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Speaker 1: a Bears fan, the volume