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Speaker 2: Danpatrick dot com. Poll question, at least for hour two
Speaker 2: is going to be what Seaton O'Connor.
Speaker 3: Well, we had two up there for our one. We
Speaker 3: had the best way to decide who gets into the
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame is stats in Research or the I test.
Speaker 3: Right now, Stats and Research winning by They've got about
Speaker 3: fifty nine percent of the vote.
Speaker 4: It's close, but not close enough for me.
Speaker 2: I think there's certain players and I found that out
Speaker 2: first Hour with Marshawn Lynch. I said, it doesn't sound
Speaker 2: like he's a Hall of Famer, And then we did
Speaker 2: a deeper dive and we looked and he had one
Speaker 2: signature moment.
Speaker 5: I think. I think his story is great too.
Speaker 2: But he had in the postseason, he was very good,
Speaker 2: had the signature run beast mode against the Saints ten
Speaker 2: thousand yards. Didn't have I don't know how many touchdowns
Speaker 2: he scored in his career, but he was on a
Speaker 2: team that we tended to focus on the defense, the
Speaker 2: coach and maybe the quarterback as well. But we're looking
Speaker 2: at these first time nominees for the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5: Who's going in first ballot?
Speaker 2: I think Eli is going to I don't think he
Speaker 2: should go in first ballot.
Speaker 5: I think Luke Keikley.
Speaker 2: Will have a strong case, Anddrell Suggs first ballot.
Speaker 5: Hall of Famers.
Speaker 6: Yes, Tom marsh On Lynch eighty five career rush.
Speaker 3: That's pretty eighty six would have been a big one
Speaker 3: to big number massive.
Speaker 4: Apologizes, dang Hall of Fame.
Speaker 7: Okay, Marph blop bloop, I still was it was it
Speaker 7: earlier in this season when Richard Sherman and the Seahawks
Speaker 7: roughed up Brady and the Patriots in Seattle, and that's
Speaker 7: when they came up to.
Speaker 2: Brady and go, h that was the birth of you,
Speaker 2: mad bro, You mad bro. As Brady walked off. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it was that year, but it was
Speaker 2: early in their careers, but they were like mocking Brady,
Speaker 2: mad bro. Now fast forward to that Super Bowl that
Speaker 2: Seattle lost. Richard Sherman is sitting on the ground at
Speaker 2: the end of the game, and now I'm watching because
Speaker 2: they're going to take the podium out in the you know,
Speaker 2: the stage, and we're giving out the Super Bowl Trophy.
Speaker 2: And I always wondered if it was me after Richard
Speaker 2: Sherman said that to me after beating me, you mad bro.
Speaker 2: If I'm Brady, I would have walked up and said
Speaker 2: you mad bro. Now he didn't because Brady's got more
Speaker 2: class than I do, But in that moment, I probably
Speaker 2: would have said, Hey, let me help you up, your
Speaker 2: mad bro, and be like, yeah, paybacks. You know what
Speaker 2: they say about those don't come at the goat. Yes, Todd,
Speaker 2: I was just coughing. I was araising man, You've never
Speaker 2: contributed more. All right, So poll question for the second
Speaker 2: hour of the program is going to be what Todd's
Speaker 2: got the Patriots upsetting the gents.
Speaker 5: He just sent me his predictions.
Speaker 6: That's a favored by like six six and a half.
Speaker 6: I don't see that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, they're still favored by six.
Speaker 6: I got newing it out right, okay.
Speaker 5: All right, I like it.
Speaker 2: And of course he's got his mock headline already for this.
Speaker 2: He got something to do with mayonnaise Mayo. I don't
Speaker 2: know why we're jumping the gun here.
Speaker 6: I would like to do it at the end of
Speaker 6: the show.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you send it to me just now.
Speaker 6: I just thought of it and I just, okay, thought
Speaker 6: i'd share.
Speaker 5: It, all right, So now everybody's going to know your prediction.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I didn't give you the headline writing the headline.
Speaker 2: For no pressure whatsoever on how do you use mayo
Speaker 2: girod Mayo into a headline here?
Speaker 6: You may have to do with that, maybe something with that.
Speaker 2: All right, we'll get some phone calls here. Show Hey Otani, meo, Lames,
Speaker 2: show Heyotani. Forty nine stolen base as the Dodgers beat
Speaker 2: the Marlins, So forty nine steals forty eight home runs
Speaker 2: and it feels like he's going to get to fifty.
Speaker 2: Like stolen bases are a choice. You get on first,
Speaker 2: and then you steal home runs. Obviously you need a
Speaker 2: little help from the pitcher pitching to you and and
Speaker 2: then connecting for a home run. Dave Roberts, Dodger manager,
Speaker 2: will join us tomorrow in the program. But it feels
Speaker 2: like he's going to get to fifty stolen and bases
Speaker 2: there now, is it nine games to go or ten.
Speaker 5: Games to go?
Speaker 8: I have?
Speaker 9: I have ten games, okay, at Miami, a slate against Colorado,
Speaker 9: a slate against San Diego, which San Diego needs, and
Speaker 9: then a slate at Colorado. The San Diego games are
Speaker 9: at home.
Speaker 2: San Diego has played probably better baseball than anybody.
Speaker 5: And if you remember a star.
Speaker 9: Break four years ago, that was your squad.
Speaker 5: Yes it was, Yes, stick with it.
Speaker 4: You hauled a grudge, by the way.
Speaker 5: I do, I do. I've been burned. And it turns
Speaker 5: out the Chargers.
Speaker 4: I was going to suggest the Podres, the Chargers have.
Speaker 5: Bitten you the most Arizona basketball.
Speaker 4: I'd be like, damn, it's like a decade ago.
Speaker 2: I know, but I'd still it hurts, and I hold
Speaker 2: a grudge. Do not cross me, because I'm going to
Speaker 2: hold a grudge forever. Okay, So a couple of phone
Speaker 2: calls in here, what if the Jets lose tonight?
Speaker 3: I just oh, Patriot fan there in the back, Yeah, wow,
Speaker 3: not sorry? What's wrong with the Is America rooting for
Speaker 3: the Jets tonight?
Speaker 10: What?
Speaker 11: I don't?
Speaker 5: Probably not? Probably not?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know why.
Speaker 2: What's the but National TV losses seem to be like
Speaker 2: one and a half losses.
Speaker 4: Saying that the Jets, what if they lost today?
Speaker 3: And I was happy about it? I got a collective
Speaker 3: groan from the room. Why is everybody rooting for the Jets?
Speaker 5: Because we're in the content business.
Speaker 3: Okay, so what is Aaron Rodgers beating a crappy Patriots
Speaker 3: team good content?
Speaker 4: Or losing to a crappy.
Speaker 2: Paget Wait a minute, are the now the Patriots are crappy?
Speaker 2: I thought everybody's like, hey, they could have usually been two, and.
Speaker 3: They could have a surprise to and though they could
Speaker 3: have been yeah, yeah, who the hell saw that coming.
Speaker 4: They're supposed to be the worst team in the league
Speaker 4: and they're almost two, and.
Speaker 2: Well, they weren't supposed to beat the Bengals, but at
Speaker 2: home against Seattle or yeah, I mean there's there's the
Speaker 2: last year when they faced Buffalo, they'd beat Buffalo. Like,
Speaker 2: all right, I think Trod Mayo's done a nice job there,
Speaker 2: quietly done a nice job. I have over unders for
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers passing Marvin I'm gonna go this. According to
Speaker 2: DraftKings over under Aaron Rodgers tonight two forty two and
Speaker 2: a half, Paulie fifty five.
Speaker 6: And a half, Todd twenty six and a half.
Speaker 2: Seat, it's two fifteen and a half wolf to fifteen
Speaker 2: in a Is that more about Aaron Rodgers or is
Speaker 2: the receivers they stink?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissette, the other quarterback, tonight over seventy seven yards.
Speaker 5: It's one sixty four and a half.
Speaker 4: That is, I'm taking the under on that.
Speaker 5: Yikes.
Speaker 6: That including week four, we're just talking about the chicken.
Speaker 5: I'm giving you all the reasons to not tune into
Speaker 5: this apparently, but did you see it?
Speaker 3: By the way, when uh, justin Jefferson that somebody asked
Speaker 3: him like, hey, how much did you learn from watching
Speaker 3: what like whatever team did against Garrett Wilson, and like
Speaker 3: can you have what can you take away from that
Speaker 3: and how they covered him? And he said, well, with
Speaker 3: all due respect, I'm not Garrett Wilson. I'm Slam so
Speaker 3: I'm a little different than that.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: The Patriots have won eighteen of their last twenty meetings
Speaker 2: versus the Jets, trend that's tied for the best record
Speaker 2: by any team against a divisional opponent since the Green
Speaker 2: Bay Packers eighteen and two against the Bears. By the
Speaker 2: way of the twenty seven quarterbacks selected first overall in
Speaker 2: the Common Draft, so that's since nineteen seventy. Bryce Young's
Speaker 2: one lost record of sixteen is the worst through the
Speaker 2: first eighteen games of his career anybody's career, and his
Speaker 2: eleven touchdown passes are tied with Terry Bradshaw for the
Speaker 2: second fewest. David Carr had only ten touchdown passes.
Speaker 12: Startup the day, start of the day, start of the day,
Speaker 12: start of the day, start of the base, start of
Speaker 12: the bay, stout of the big, start of the through.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk to Chris collins Worth about this. It feels
Speaker 2: like everybody is saying that the Carolina Panthers organization failed
Speaker 2: Bryce Young and he's not getting much blame here? Now
Speaker 2: is there enough blame to go around? I can start
Speaker 2: at the very top and work all the way down
Speaker 2: to the quarterback. Do I think he'll get another chance
Speaker 2: some other place? And the answer is yes, I do. Now,
Speaker 2: could he get a chance. Let's say with the Dolphins,
Speaker 2: depending on TUA? Could he get a chance? Let's say,
Speaker 2: here's something crazy, and maybe it's just it's wild and
Speaker 2: it's speculative, and it's like talk radio. I got a
Speaker 2: trade for you. What if the forty nine ers go,
Speaker 2: we don't want to pay sixty million dollars to brock Perty.
Speaker 2: What if you say we want to keep the talent
Speaker 2: together here, either you take a team friendly deal or
Speaker 2: we're going to trade.
Speaker 5: For Bryce Young.
Speaker 2: Or other Let's say, what if the Rams go to
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford? How much longer are you going to play?
Speaker 2: Would you trade with Sean McVay. I don't know what
Speaker 2: his grade would be on Bryce Young, but you might
Speaker 2: have somebody who is a better team in a better
Speaker 2: situation to be able to bring in somebody who's going
Speaker 2: to be cheaper. And if you think he's going to
Speaker 2: be a franchise quarterback. I mean, I think we thought
Speaker 2: the Cowboys were doing this with Trey Lance. Hey, this
Speaker 2: is bargaining power, this is leverage. If Dak asked for
Speaker 2: a crazy number, well he asked for a crazy number
Speaker 2: and you gave it to him, which means Trey Lance
Speaker 2: is not ready to play. But if you believe in
Speaker 2: Bryce Young, you can get him. Not gonna cost you much.
Speaker 2: Is somebody gonna, you know, try to do. Now you
Speaker 2: have the head coach of the Carolina Panthers. So Dave
Speaker 2: Canalis was asked yesterday about would they trade Bryce Young.
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's not something we're really considering. You know, we
Speaker 13: have a great situation with our quarterbacks right now, with
Speaker 13: guys that have experienced. So we love where we're at
Speaker 13: and we're all all hands on deck. We're folks not
Speaker 13: playing the.
Speaker 14: Raiders this week.
Speaker 5: Wow, I don't believe anything. He just said.
Speaker 2: You can't love your cornerback room, you can't love where
Speaker 2: you're at with this, and you can't say we're really
Speaker 2: not now. He I thought gave away something there in
Speaker 2: the very beginning to play it again, Marvin, because he said,
Speaker 2: we're not really go ahead.
Speaker 13: It's not something we're really considering, you know that, we're.
Speaker 2: Really instead of saying no, we're not trading him, we're
Speaker 2: not really considered.
Speaker 5: You should be.
Speaker 2: I mean I would have I would say, hey, phone
Speaker 2: lines are open, operators are standing.
Speaker 3: All that might be a little strong, Yeah, oh you
Speaker 3: think little, But yeah, you can't go. You know, I
Speaker 3: like where we are and I like her quarterback room. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I got a thirty six year old Andy Dalton going
Speaker 3: out there to play. We're going to play the Raiders
Speaker 3: in Las Vegas. Max Crosby is going to greet us
Speaker 3: at the airport. He wants to make sure we all
Speaker 3: get to the hotel safely so he can play against us.
Speaker 5: You can't love where you are right now?
Speaker 8: Yes, Martin, if you're somebody that's on the Raiders, do
Speaker 8: you look at the Panthers like I'm about to get
Speaker 8: my stats up this game right here? I only have
Speaker 8: four sacts going into the season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then what happens when the Panthers jump out
Speaker 2: to a seven nothing start?
Speaker 15: Uh?
Speaker 6: Oh, what you're gonna do?
Speaker 2: Luciano and Brooklyn? Hey Luciano, what's up all morning?
Speaker 16: Capo? Marvin face k what of a sudden? And of
Speaker 16: course to the good fellas God Seeing and as far
Speaker 16: as I'm concerned, the real big german Pauli Pats aka
Speaker 16: Pauli the Paddles. It about baby, It's about a lot
Speaker 16: of things, all right, Capo.
Speaker 6: Listen.
Speaker 16: First of all, that analogy about Marshawn Lynch running naked
Speaker 16: in the in the prison showers is a little weird
Speaker 16: considering I just finished paying a small debt to society,
Speaker 16: which is why you ever heard from me. But we're
Speaker 16: going to move on from that. So my question is
Speaker 16: a debate that actually popped up in Rikers. Does Aaron
Speaker 16: Rodgers need another Super Bowl? Or is he currently going
Speaker 16: to go down in history as a better quarterback than
Speaker 16: Steve Young? And please ask get your two guests coming up.
Speaker 5: Wait you're you were Rikers?
Speaker 16: Yeah, for a little bit. I had a little small
Speaker 16: debt to society the play, but it all worked out.
Speaker 16: That's that's my best and I got out Sunday night.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, uh did you watch football there?
Speaker 16: Of course? Actually funny enough. I was trying to tell
Speaker 16: people they listen, I need to call Dan and who
Speaker 16: the hell is Dan? And I had to explain some
Speaker 16: who you guys were? So long story short. I had
Speaker 16: a good friend of somebody else boof of phone and
Speaker 16: uh you can look up the definition of booth on
Speaker 16: the phone. And we we actually watched you guys on
Speaker 16: Peacock a couple of times. Yeah, that's d.
Speaker 2: Well. Thank you to everybody in Rikers. Thank I love
Speaker 2: a captive audience.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, yeah, wow, I thought he calling his cell?
Speaker 5: Oh blue Blue?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 9: Do you think they have Sunday ticket in the pen?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 14: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Guys are like man, I love me some Scott Hansen.
Speaker 2: Where's Andrew Siciliano the riot?
Speaker 9: Because Andrew's not doing it anyway.
Speaker 6: He's on Brown's radio games.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you, Tom. Let's see what was his question about? Oh,
Speaker 5: it is Aaron Rodgers better than Steve Young?
Speaker 16: Uh?
Speaker 5: It's it's different if he won another Super Bowl. Uh, I.
Speaker 6: Don't know.
Speaker 5: I haven't, yes, Mar and.
Speaker 8: Steve Young's a big different because his career for a
Speaker 8: first Battle Hall of Famer was relatively short like his.
Speaker 2: It's crazy that he was in the USFL. He played
Speaker 2: for the Buccaneers and then he backed up Montana. As
Speaker 2: far as what do you have a six year career, he's.
Speaker 9: Set for five whole seasons without basically without playing football.
Speaker 9: That is amazing, and these are prime seasons, Steve. I
Speaker 9: know we have to break Steve Young's SAT from age
Speaker 9: twenty six to age thirty. God, he did all his
Speaker 9: work from age thirty to thirty seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let me take a break. We'll get
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Speaker 2: This Sunday Night, Mahomes and the Raining Super Bowl Champs
Speaker 2: go to Atlanta to take on the Falcons. It'll start
Speaker 2: the festivities in primetime Sunday at seven Eastern non NBC
Speaker 2: and Peacock Chris Collinsworth will be on the call with
Speaker 2: Mike Turrico on Sunday Night, and Chris joins us on
Speaker 2: the program. How often do you find yourself rooting for
Speaker 2: one of the teams to win the previous week, if
Speaker 2: they're going to be on Sunday night, Like, were you
Speaker 2: a Falcons fan against the Eagles?
Speaker 17: That's a dirty question right off the bat, The answer
Speaker 17: is yes.
Speaker 14: I do have to say.
Speaker 17: You know, in life, we all kind of cheer for
Speaker 17: what's best for our company and our product, and an
Speaker 17: zero to two Falcons team going home, you know, and
Speaker 17: nobody really too excited and playing the Chiefs. But now
Speaker 17: after that thing the other night, it was that was
Speaker 17: really something that was that was some comeback. Those two
Speaker 17: teams running the ball so well up and down the field,
Speaker 17: and then all of a sudden, Cousins just went crazy.
Speaker 17: I mean it was it looked so hard to throw
Speaker 17: the ball on several occasions during the course of that game,
Speaker 17: and then you just have just exploded in four or
Speaker 17: five plays. And it was really that was exciting. And
Speaker 17: they're they're an interesting team because they can run it
Speaker 17: so well. Bijon Robinson is just so good. I mean,
Speaker 17: this sucker can not only does he have those one
Speaker 17: step cuts and speed to get the outside zone, they
Speaker 17: run outside zone about as well as as teams that
Speaker 17: I've seen this season in Philadelphia. You know, had a
Speaker 17: good running game going to But yeah, that was fun.
Speaker 2: When it comes to the Hall of Famer, you more
Speaker 2: of a stats guy or the eye test that somebody's
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 17: You know, if I've seen them or I've played against them.
Speaker 17: That's that's an easy question, right, I mean, that's that's
Speaker 17: an easy one for me.
Speaker 14: Like I'll give you an example.
Speaker 17: I'm studying the tape of Atlanta the other night and
Speaker 17: Chris Linstrom's their right guard.
Speaker 14: Nobody cares, right, nobody.
Speaker 17: Cares, And but I'm watching them, and for the whole
Speaker 17: first half, Chris Linstrom is cutting the inside back or
Speaker 17: for the Eagles, and they're breaking off these big runs.
Speaker 17: And then you start to notice that like no other
Speaker 17: guard sort of gets left alone to have to block
Speaker 17: one on one and in pass protection, Chris Linstrom does
Speaker 17: almost every time. So he gave up a sack, he
Speaker 17: gave up a quick pressure. There were a couple other things.
Speaker 17: But if you said who was the best player you
Speaker 17: saw on the field for Atlanta, Beijon would have been close.
Speaker 17: They Chris Lynch and would have been the other. Now
Speaker 17: his stat line is going to say he gave up
Speaker 17: a sack, and he gave up a quick pressure that
Speaker 17: costs him a play, But the where they put him
Speaker 17: in the game and what they force him to do
Speaker 17: against those big defensive tackles of the Eagles, I thought
Speaker 17: was the most impressive. So I don't know if that
Speaker 17: answers the question, but that's if I've seen it. I
Speaker 17: feel better about it than I would just looking at stats.
Speaker 2: But you know, Luke Keikley's a Hall of Famer, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Terrell Suggs Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Marshawn Lynch hall of Famer.
Speaker 14: No doubt, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Okay, are any of those guys first ballot Hall of
Speaker 2: Famers because this is their first year being nominated. It's
Speaker 2: Keith Lee a first ballot Hall of Famer?
Speaker 17: Yes, I think, for my money, all three of those guys.
Speaker 17: I you know, not that it's too hard.
Speaker 14: For me to understand. You know, either a.
Speaker 5: Guy is he is?
Speaker 14: You know what I mean?
Speaker 17: Dan, It's like, if he's good enough to be in
Speaker 17: the Hall of Fame, that he should be in Hall
Speaker 17: of Fame in the first ballot. And maybe we shouldn't
Speaker 17: even be considering people. I don't know, but it's like,
Speaker 17: is it a Hall of Fame? Is this the greatest
Speaker 17: players or these the greatest of all time. And Marshawn
Speaker 17: Lynch was an absolute beast. Suggs, I mean, how many
Speaker 17: times did I see him, you know, break the nose
Speaker 17: of Ben Roethlisberger and Keithley is just a no brainer.
Speaker 17: I think he kind of changed the position, not just
Speaker 17: with the way that he tackled and played in the
Speaker 17: run game, but with the way he played in coverage.
Speaker 17: He was one of the great cover linebackers that I've seen, so,
Speaker 17: you know, from those are all my eye test. Those
Speaker 17: those three guys were great.
Speaker 5: Eli Manning a first ballan Hall of Famer.
Speaker 17: I think that's harder, you know, because it's it is
Speaker 17: I've seen Eli have off years. I've seen Eli, you know,
Speaker 17: have spectacular years. Eli is the guy that when he's on,
Speaker 17: it's sort of like the Manning Show in some ways.
Speaker 17: It's like when Eli's funny and entertainment, like he can
Speaker 17: carry the whole thing. And Eli and those two Super
Speaker 17: Bowl years could not have been any better. I mean,
Speaker 17: it was stunning some of the games that he came
Speaker 17: away with. The natural statistics of Eli Manning are going
Speaker 17: to be a tough comparison against some other people. But
Speaker 17: two super Bowls is two super bowls and either we're
Speaker 17: in or we're out. On the only thing that matters
Speaker 17: is quarterbacks winning super Bowls. I'll let me pile on
Speaker 17: how many stats for my guy Kenny Anderson. I agree
Speaker 17: in the Hall of Fame four time, I'm passing champion.
Speaker 17: We go to the Super Bowl. We sucked when we
Speaker 17: in the first half of that game and we cost
Speaker 17: Kenny what sort of been a super Bowl championship. He
Speaker 17: played great. There was nothing Kenny did wrong in that game.
Speaker 17: And yet that's going to be the standard. But if
Speaker 17: that's a standard, then all right, then Eli's definitely.
Speaker 2: In talking to Chris collins Worth, he'll be on the
Speaker 2: call Sunday night on NBC and Peacock Chiefs and the Falcons.
Speaker 2: What have you noticed with the Jets so far their
Speaker 2: offense with Aaron Rodgers, what do you what do they
Speaker 2: have and what are they missing?
Speaker 17: Well, the first thing that came up is when I
Speaker 17: first saw Aaron in camp, I thought he was still limping,
Speaker 17: you know that whatever it was, And I go, oh,
Speaker 17: that's because his mobility was a big part of what
Speaker 17: he did. You know, I always thought he was one
Speaker 17: of the toughest guys to try and rush for against
Speaker 17: because as he innately knew where that was. So there's
Speaker 17: there's six places you can run if you're the quarterback,
Speaker 17: and they rushed four, and I mean he found it
Speaker 17: breaking every time, you know, so he could step up
Speaker 17: and make throws and do that. So I think Aaron
Speaker 17: Rodgers is not yet where he's going to be this year.
Speaker 17: And with the way they play defense and the improvements
Speaker 17: and the health on the offensive line, you know, you
Speaker 17: hope that Tyron Smith can stay healthy. You hope that
Speaker 17: Morgan Moses and Barrett Tucker and all those guys stay healthy,
Speaker 17: and you know they can run the football with brestall
Speaker 17: and what's the kid's name, Brelan Allen something something like that,
Speaker 17: I thought they put on a show.
Speaker 14: So yeah, I'm.
Speaker 17: Kind of bullish on the Jets because of the way
Speaker 17: they play defense.
Speaker 14: And I think Aaron Rodgers is just getting started.
Speaker 17: To me, this is like where when I played, where
Speaker 17: we were for opening day, you know, we had played
Speaker 17: in two or three preseason games.
Speaker 14: We were kind of ready to go.
Speaker 17: I don't care what anybody says about practice and the
Speaker 17: scrimmages and all that stuff preseason. You just you have
Speaker 17: to play in a game. You have to when people
Speaker 17: are out there trying to kill you. You have to
Speaker 17: play in a game to get a feel for playing
Speaker 17: in the NFL. And I mean it's every year. It
Speaker 17: startles me. It just when I see the first game
Speaker 17: that we call, it just is startling how violent and
Speaker 17: how fast the game is after you've been watching the
Speaker 17: preseason games.
Speaker 14: But I do think you'll get there.
Speaker 17: The other thing I really believe, Dan, is that I
Speaker 17: don't pay attention until we get talked ober, I really don't.
Speaker 17: I think the NFL does a great job of matching
Speaker 17: up really good teams against really good teams early, so
Speaker 17: we get early losses out of those teams, teams that
Speaker 17: haven't been so good against teams that haven't been so good,
Speaker 17: and so we get some cheap wins early, and so
Speaker 17: you don't know. And the other part of it is
Speaker 17: coaches need tape to coach, so the elite coaches can
Speaker 17: take what their guys have done in a game and
Speaker 17: that game film and coach them to take them to
Speaker 17: a level that lesser coaches cannot, If that makes sense.
Speaker 2: We're two weeks in passing touchdowns are way down, way down.
Speaker 17: Why, well, I think it's part of the reason you're
Speaker 17: seeing everybody running the ball so well. It has really
Speaker 17: become the thing in the NFL. And its started, you know,
Speaker 17: many many years ago. But if there was always an argument,
Speaker 17: you know, everybody says, oh, you got to run.
Speaker 14: The ball to win game. You got to run the ball.
Speaker 17: Almost every defensive coordinator I've talked to you, I don't
Speaker 17: give it, damn how many yards they run for. They're
Speaker 17: not going to beat me running for one hundred and
Speaker 17: fifty yards. They're going to beat me because they had
Speaker 17: three plays went for fifty over my head. And that's
Speaker 17: really where the game has evolved. So now because of
Speaker 17: Mahomes and we saw everybody went to the two deep
Speaker 17: safeties and they're just sitting there. And so now these
Speaker 17: safeties are getting a little bit better, and the slot
Speaker 17: players in particular are getting better at sort of playing
Speaker 17: that wide receiver screen, coming back in and supporting the
Speaker 17: run game. The safeties know how to get up and down,
Speaker 17: but it's really hard to get a ball over the
Speaker 17: top of these defenses anymore. So you don't get cheap points,
Speaker 17: you don't get fast points the way that you did,
Speaker 17: and you know, so, really the game is always the
Speaker 17: ebb and flow of it. Right now, that ebb or
Speaker 17: flow or whatever it is is the run game. And
Speaker 17: you're seeing these guys look spectacular running the ball, it's
Speaker 17: because they don't have enough guys to stop it in
Speaker 17: the box.
Speaker 2: I've been saying for years. I don't know why somebody
Speaker 2: doesn't be counterintuitive, and we're gonna build our team that
Speaker 2: you have to stop us. That we're not gonna be
Speaker 2: like every other team. Everybody has, you know, fast edge rushers,
Speaker 2: your defensive players are a little smaller. Everybody wants the
Speaker 2: passing game. What if we just do what Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 2: is doing with the Chargers. We're gonna have a great
Speaker 2: offensive line, we're gonna run the ball, control the clock,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna put pressure on you to score points.
Speaker 2: I maybe we're seeing that, maybe this is an aberration,
Speaker 2: but I would I would have an offense that was different.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't try to We can't be the Chiefs, so
Speaker 2: don't try to be the Chiefs. Be something that can
Speaker 2: beat the Chiefs differently.
Speaker 17: Yeah, I the opening statement that you made there, I
Speaker 17: am a thousand percent on board. If you put me
Speaker 17: in charge of any football team tomorrow, I would start
Speaker 17: scouting offensive linemen.
Speaker 14: That's I mean.
Speaker 17: I watched I watched Atlanta, I watched Philadelphia. You watch
Speaker 17: the Tier or three for Kansas City. What I mean
Speaker 17: when quarterbacks Jalen Hurts sat in the pocket a few
Speaker 17: times in that game the other night. And I know
Speaker 17: Atlanta didn't draft an edge player. Maybe they should, maybe
Speaker 17: they shouldn't, But I'm just watching Jalen just stand there,
Speaker 17: you know, And you've got NFL caliber receivers out there
Speaker 17: running around and a bunch of defensive backs trying to
Speaker 17: figure out which way they're going, and then you've got
Speaker 17: a quarterback that can take off and run.
Speaker 14: Out of that foe man rush.
Speaker 17: And we already talked about the gaps and a four
Speaker 17: man rush and what they can do. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 17: you give these guys the ability to run the ball
Speaker 17: with a great offensive line and that kind of pass protection.
Speaker 17: I don't know how defensively you stop that. I just
Speaker 17: don't and I don't think many teams do. Now, it
Speaker 17: may be methodical because you're going to run the ball,
Speaker 17: but then you add in that element of a running quarterback.
Speaker 14: I mean it almost seems unfair.
Speaker 17: I mean there are times you go, if you're playing defense, like, coach,
Speaker 17: what do you want me to do?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 14: I mean, come on, do you want me to do?
Speaker 17: There's I can't rpo, you know, so now I got
Speaker 17: to play the run game. And then I got to
Speaker 17: drop back underneath this thing, and if I do, he
Speaker 17: hands it off, and if he.
Speaker 14: Doesn't hand it off, the quarterback keeps it. You know,
Speaker 14: it takes.
Speaker 17: The one negative about that approach is it takes so long.
Speaker 17: Ten plays in the NFL, they're going to throw at
Speaker 17: least one flag for holding.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 17: It's like when you return kickoffs. I'm not sure I
Speaker 17: would ever return kickoffs because one in three year is
Speaker 17: going to have a holding call and you're going to
Speaker 17: be back inside your own twenty yard line.
Speaker 14: Right.
Speaker 17: So all those things come into play, and that's part
Speaker 17: of the strategy. But it's it's fun to watch how
Speaker 17: this game goes. I can remember back in the day
Speaker 17: when everybody was playing zone defense and then they started
Speaker 17: playing mand a man and then Dan Reno went out
Speaker 17: and got his two great receivers and it's like, oh,
Speaker 17: forget that, we can't bump around those two guys, you know,
Speaker 17: so I just it just always changes all always.
Speaker 14: Does you know?
Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever heard this. We came
Speaker 2: up with an idea that offensive and defensive linemen have
Speaker 2: to wear mittens so they can't hold.
Speaker 17: What do you think they like those things?
Speaker 5: But the yeah, you can't, you can't hold?
Speaker 14: All right?
Speaker 17: I can I take it the opposite direction, sure, Okay,
Speaker 17: I think holding should be at most the five yard penalty.
Speaker 14: Like, what are we doing?
Speaker 5: Why don't we make it legal? Why don't we make
Speaker 5: it legal?
Speaker 17: Can you imagine how much fun it would be if
Speaker 17: offensive lineman could tackle defensive linemen?
Speaker 14: So what's the entire point of the game.
Speaker 17: The entire point of the game is we want more
Speaker 17: points and we want quarterbacks alive. Right, If you said,
Speaker 17: what are the two most important things that the NFL
Speaker 17: does in all their rules and all the different things,
Speaker 17: take the quarterback, because there's when you've got a third
Speaker 17: string quarterback in December going against a second string quarterback on.
Speaker 14: Sunday night football. It's not a whole lot of fun.
Speaker 17: Right, So we're trying to protect the quarterbacks, right, and
Speaker 17: so what better way to do that then to allow holding?
Speaker 17: Or if they do hold, it's only a five yard penalty,
Speaker 17: so that it's not second and twenty and you know,
Speaker 17: warm up the punt team. You know, let's keep alive
Speaker 17: the possibility that they can still convert that in a
Speaker 17: ten yard penalty for what? For protecting the quarterback? I mean,
Speaker 17: you know, come on. And then the other thing that's
Speaker 17: come up now is they're penalizing the heck out of
Speaker 17: those tackles for taking a half step off the ball. Okay,
Speaker 17: that's okay if that's what you guys want to enforce.
Speaker 17: But what's going to happen more? Quarterbacks are going to
Speaker 17: get hit. There's a reason those tackles are standing in
Speaker 17: a half yard off the ball, so they can have
Speaker 17: a better chance against those monster edge players. There are
Speaker 17: freaks of nature when you watch this game anymore. And
Speaker 17: so are we trying to protect the quarterback? Well, then
Speaker 17: give them that half step. Are we trying to protect
Speaker 17: the quarterback? Well, let's let them hold a little bit,
Speaker 17: all right. If we're trying to protect the quarterback, well,
Speaker 17: even if they do hold, it's only a five yard penalty.
Speaker 2: I love it more from Chris coming up Sunday Night
Speaker 2: with Mike Turrico. That'll be the Chiefs and the Falcons.
Speaker 5: Great. See again, Chris, Thank you, good to see you, buddy.
Speaker 5: All right, well, take a break.
Speaker 2: Coming up Jeff Passing from the Mothership on show Hayo
Speaker 2: Tani's season and how can a team be this bad?
Speaker 2: The Chicago White Sox.
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 5: Show.
Speaker 2: Hayo Tani stole his forty ninth base the season and
Speaker 2: the Dodgers win over the Marlins. We'll talk to Dave Roberts,
Speaker 2: the Dodger manager. Coming up tomorrow, Jeff Passen covers the
Speaker 2: national pastime for the Mothership joins us on the program,
Speaker 2: What if Otawni finishes forty nine and forty nine.
Speaker 5: And he will still.
Speaker 10: Have one of the most remarkable seasons we've ever seen.
Speaker 10: And it's every bit as good as fifty to fifty
Speaker 10: to me, because we should not be so obsessed with
Speaker 10: things that end in zero. It makes no difference fifty
Speaker 10: to fifty, fifty one to fifty one, forty nine, forty nine,
Speaker 10: Who cares? It's awesome regardless of what it is. And
Speaker 10: to me, Dan, that's what we need to look at,
Speaker 10: just the breadth of the accomplishment, not the specific number
Speaker 10: that he's landing on in the end.
Speaker 5: I'm glad you agree with me. We like realm numbers.
Speaker 14: For some stupid reason.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's no.
Speaker 10: I like this is a It's a big pet peeve
Speaker 10: of mine because I firmly believe the reason that pitchers
Speaker 10: throw less now than they used to is because we
Speaker 10: have adopted one hundred as the number that they can
Speaker 10: pitch until people start thinking their arms are going to
Speaker 10: fall off. And why because it has two zeros at
Speaker 10: the end, is it special? No, it's it's one of
Speaker 10: our ridiculous sporting culture traits that I just want to
Speaker 10: get rid of, but I know I never will because
Speaker 10: those zeros are just so attractive, They're so pretty.
Speaker 2: The chances for Otani to pitch in the postseason, well.
Speaker 10: You talk with people in the Dodgers organization and they
Speaker 10: are saying it is extremely unlikely. We have gone from
Speaker 10: it's not going to happen to it's extremely unlikely.
Speaker 14: And yet I had.
Speaker 10: A scout who reached out to me yesterday and sent
Speaker 10: me a couple of videos, and it was a Shoho
Speaker 10: tani throwing, and in one video he had a splitter
Speaker 10: grip and in another video he had a slider grip,
Speaker 10: and he said, you know, this whole time, I've thought
Speaker 10: it was kind of a long shot, but then I
Speaker 10: see him going out there and throwing with his full arsenal,
Speaker 10: with a lot of intent. And generally speaking, if you're
Speaker 10: doing that coming back off of Tommy John surgery or
Speaker 10: off of elbow reconstruction surgery, then you know you're doing
Speaker 10: so with a purpose.
Speaker 1: So I still.
Speaker 10: Think that at the end of the day, it probably
Speaker 10: does not happen, but I'm a lot more on board
Speaker 10: with the notion of it being a possibility than I
Speaker 10: was even a week or two ago. And look, the
Speaker 10: Dodgers need something. Gavin Stone is now out for the season.
Speaker 10: Tyler Glass now is now out for the season. Bobby
Speaker 10: Miller has not pitched well. Walker Viueler even in good outing,
Speaker 10: walked five guys. Clayton Kershaw. You don't know what you're
Speaker 10: going to get at this point, and that leaves you
Speaker 10: relying on Jack Flaherty and Yoshinobu Yamamoto, who spent months
Speaker 10: on the injured list. It's not a great situation for
Speaker 10: the Dodgers, but I just have a hard time Dan
Speaker 10: believing that they are going to put the most valuable
Speaker 10: player in all of base fall at risk long term
Speaker 10: for something that short term just may not pay the
Speaker 10: kind of dividends that would be worth it.
Speaker 2: I'm talking to Jeff Poundson or the Mothership. You know,
Speaker 2: when I saw your sweatshirt, I thought it said white
Speaker 2: sucks s u X.
Speaker 10: It says wave sucks, as in the wave.
Speaker 2: I thought it was. I thought it was white instead
Speaker 2: of socks white.
Speaker 10: No, no, I wouldn't, that's real.
Speaker 14: That would be rude.
Speaker 10: Yeah. Yeah, they haven't been great this year, and you know,
Speaker 10: I'm glad that I went to Chicago and spent some
Speaker 10: time with them, actually, because the genesis behind that story was, Okay,
Speaker 10: if the worst team in baseball history is going to exist,
Speaker 10: I kind of want to see what it's like there
Speaker 10: and want to see just how I guess depressing it
Speaker 10: is for the players. And I'll be honest, man, when
Speaker 10: I went, it was not depressing.
Speaker 14: It was actually, in.
Speaker 10: A way a little bit hardening that these guys are
Speaker 10: still trying and that they still care and that they
Speaker 10: haven't given up, and that just the gravity of what
Speaker 10: they're dealing with right now, which is being the losingest
Speaker 10: team in the history of a game that goes back
Speaker 10: well over a century. You know, we're talking one hundred
Speaker 10: and twenty five years almost, Dan, in the modern era
Speaker 10: of baseball, and they're going to be the worst team
Speaker 10: to ever play. It's not the sort of thing that
Speaker 10: has like waylaid them or taken them to a place
Speaker 10: where they're fighting each other. I think they just want
Speaker 10: to go out there and try and have some spirit
Speaker 10: and try and salvage this thing, this giant mess, as
Speaker 10: best they can. And I appreciate the effort. I don't
Speaker 10: appreciate the game and the skill and the quality of
Speaker 10: baseball that they're playing. But they're trying, and you got
Speaker 10: to give something.
Speaker 2: For that number of teams who can win the World
Speaker 2: Series this year is what.
Speaker 10: They're going to be, twelve playoff teams, and I think
Speaker 10: twelve teams can win the World Series this year. This
Speaker 10: is I've been covering baseball Dan for twenty one years now.
Speaker 10: I do not remember a postseason going into it where
Speaker 10: I thought it was as wide open as this year is.
Speaker 10: And that sort of started to manifest itself mid season
Speaker 10: when suddenly I realized, like every team has had a
Speaker 10: bad stretch, and not just like a week or two off,
Speaker 10: Like the Phillies were just like mediocre for a month,
Speaker 10: and I think they're probably the best team. The Dodgers
Speaker 10: just you know, they have a great record, but they're
Speaker 10: bull time questionable. They're starting pitching really questionable. Everybody out
Speaker 10: there has a weakness, and so I'm not looking forward
Speaker 10: to making playoff predictions this year because I think that
Speaker 10: this is going to be like an anti chalk World Series.
Speaker 14: And we're also coming off one in.
Speaker 10: Which the Texas Rangers in the Arizona Diamondbacks, you know,
Speaker 10: like a ninety win team and like an eighty four
Speaker 10: win team face off the fewest combined wins in baseball
Speaker 10: history between two World Series teams. And I could absolutely
Speaker 10: see something like that happening.
Speaker 6: Again.
Speaker 5: Good to talk to you. Thank you always a pleasure.
Speaker 14: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2: That's Jeff Painson too, the Mothership ESPN Senior Baseball Insider.
Speaker 5: Did I come up with something here?
Speaker 2: The White Sox su X you know, had that in
Speaker 2: this script form?
Speaker 5: Yes, Paul, Do.
Speaker 9: You think it's somewhat relaxing to be a White Sox
Speaker 9: fan these days. The season's been over since four or
Speaker 9: five week.
Speaker 5: Wait to be a White Sox fan.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Like, if you're a serious White time, no.
Speaker 2: Because you're going to end up with the worst record
Speaker 2: in the history of the sport. I would be nervous, right,
Speaker 2: But they have to do what are the They have
Speaker 2: to have wins in Uh, let's see, they have to
Speaker 2: win seven of their last nine games to avoid matching
Speaker 2: the sixty to two minutes. I'm going to take the
Speaker 2: under with victories there, So they have to win seven
Speaker 2: of their last nine. I'm going to bet against that.
Speaker 5: You don't want to.
Speaker 9: Become close to making history, Yeah, you want to completely absolutely.
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