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Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contains lots of spoilers for thirty year

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Speaker 1: old episodes of Batman the Animated series Dunt dunt d

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Speaker 1: Truthfully, not a big deal.

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Speaker 2: You can just listen to this and then go watch

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Speaker 2: the episodes. It's not gonna ruin your enjoyment. It's gonna

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Speaker 2: be you.

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Speaker 1: Hello. My name is Jasoncepcion and I'm Rosie Knight, and

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Speaker 1: welcome back to X Revision, the podcast where we dive

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Speaker 1: deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture

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Speaker 1: with me. iHeart podcast. Will We'll bring you two episodes

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Speaker 1: a week every Tuesday and Thursday.

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Speaker 2: This is a very special episode. We're not gonna teach

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Speaker 2: you a PSA lesson, but it is the first episode

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Speaker 2: all Animation Month, and we're going to be celebrating Batman

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Speaker 2: the Animated Series to kick it off, and in the

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Speaker 2: back matter, we are going to be talking to some

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Speaker 2: of our favorite Batman fans about the legacy and lasting

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Speaker 2: impact of Batman the Animated series.

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Speaker 1: First the airlock. All right, folks, were stepping out of

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Speaker 1: the airlock to talk about our top five personal top

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Speaker 1: five episodes of Batman the Animated series. Rosie, do you

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Speaker 1: want to talk about your criteria? I love your list.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so my criteria. I went for a mix of

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Speaker 2: the ones that I honestly do think stand out as

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Speaker 2: this is why this show is so fantastic, Like especially

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Speaker 2: the first one that I'll talk about after your first pick.

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Speaker 2: I think that's one of the ones where you can

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Speaker 2: show it to someone and they'll go, oh, this is

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Speaker 2: not why I expected from an animated series. This is more,

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Speaker 2: this is deeper, this is more emotional, this is more

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Speaker 2: brilliantly written. But also some of them are I just

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Speaker 2: I did Pepper in a few there, and I think

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Speaker 2: I have one on there that I watch every year

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Speaker 2: at Christmas. I put it in as my Christmas watching.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: Kind of a mix of personal things that I like

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Speaker 2: and also like what I think are some of the

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Speaker 2: also I do think it speaks to the quality of

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Speaker 2: of the best episodes because they're just all so good.

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Speaker 2: What was your criteria?

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Speaker 1: My criteria was Landmark episodes that significantly influenced the comic cannon.

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Speaker 1: So those are easy, right, There's several of them, those

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Speaker 1: episodes that contained interesting like meta commentary on fandom, on

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Speaker 1: like on top of what is you know, always really

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Speaker 1: in the Basement is like the worst episode of Batman

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Speaker 1: There's there's there's no truly awful episode of Batman the

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Speaker 1: like had a lasting impact. And also I like the Joker,

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Speaker 1: so I picked multiple Joker. Yeah episodes. Shall we get started?

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Speaker 2: Yes, your first episode, I want to go on for one. Well,

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Speaker 2: let's go one for one, and your first one not

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Speaker 1: A Joker episode. Heart of Ice.

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Speaker 2: Oh ten out of ten.

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Speaker 1: Mark Bernardin talked about why it's great, and it is great.

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Speaker 1: You know, mister Freeze, we learn his backstory. He was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they literally adapt this in Batman and Robin like

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Speaker 2: Also the Nora Inner snow globe that becomes like a

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Speaker 2: And it's also set off like a four movie or

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Speaker 1: It's really cool. It's such a big swing, particularly early

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Also won a Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Writing

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Speaker 2: in an Animated Program. So really, like you said, big swings. Also,

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Speaker 2: a weird situation when it comes to episodes because there

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Speaker 1: You bring up a good point because this was also

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Speaker 1: About it and then maybe years later, you know when

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they then they did the new Batman animated stories,

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Speaker 2: brilliant episode. I'm so glad you picked it. I mean

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Speaker 2: So even like twenty thirty years later, it's still influencing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something else too in this episode and a

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Speaker 1: he's trying to bring mister Freese to justice. He also

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Speaker 2: on a similar vibe to yours. This is one that

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Speaker 2: It's called per Chance to Dream. It's written by Joe R.

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Speaker 2: and I think there's likely yes. But also Roddy McDowell

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Speaker 2: keep it. So basically, Bruce wakes up in a world where.

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Speaker 1: It's going through it. Yeah, he is going through.

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Speaker 2: a pre two faced Harvey who's still like is already there.

434
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's in the midst of a case against a

435
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 1: mob boss, Thorn, and Thorn knows that Harvey has mental

436
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: health issues and is like actively trying to exacerbate them.

437
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: Harvey has been waiting for like the sting operation that's

438
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: going to like get the evidence that he needs to

439
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: really convict Thorn. But it turns out all to be

440
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: like a setup that Thorn manipulated it, and it drives

441
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: Harvey over the edge. Eventually there's a shootout like in

442
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: a in a chemical factory, and there's an explosion and

443
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: Harvey's face is burned. That's the end of part one.

444
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: There's when you know, there's a shoot at he falls down,

445
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 1: the electrical wires like fall on him. There's an explosion,

446
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 1: and then Batman comes up. You don't see anything but

447
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 1: Batman just says, oh, no, Harvey, you know it must

448
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: be bad. And then there's also like a very very

449
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: funny moment where the doctor is like taking the band

450
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: the doctor's like there might be some scarring.

451
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: But then like the medical team who removed the bandages.

452
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: This very unprofessional guys. He's very unprofessional.

453
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: Also, I want to say that like this is actually

454
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 1: and I mean this I joke. I joked about this

455
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: on a podcast I did with Chase six Trophies recent

456
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: podcast we did about the Dark Knight movie. Oh, I

457
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: joke about Harvey's gambling addiction. But like it's right up

458
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: front and center. This is a guy who has a

459
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: he was in the grips of a terrible, terrible gambling addiction.

460
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: Like he can't stop, he can't stop. He's talking about

461
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: the odds all the time. He's like, it's actually like

462
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: Pemmy recovery. Yes he needs it. And then part two

463
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: is Harvey's complete turn to to you know, big bad Harvey,

464
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: to the dark side, to two face. He's got Henchman

465
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: now you know, he's he's doing crimes. Batman meanwhile, is

466
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: like just torn up over the fact that he couldn't

467
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: help Harvey like he all he wants to do is help.

468
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: Harvey keeps telling him like there's nothing wrong with asking

469
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: for help, like we can get you help, Like, yeah,

470
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 1: we can do it. You know. Eventually, Harvey captures Thorn

471
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: and is going to kill him, but the good side

472
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: of him pulls him back from the brink when he

473
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: sees like a picture of like a regular life and

474
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: like a normal like family, and he's like, oh God,

475
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: and he manages to not do it, and he gets captured,

476
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: and of course, you know, Bruce puts him in Arkham

477
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: and then there's this really bitterscream moment where like, you know,

478
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: he's looking at his friend that he's now captured, and

479
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: you could feel that he's like he takes it personally

480
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: that he as a personal failure that he wasn't able

481
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: to help help Harvey. And there's just like a lot

482
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of funny stuff too, but I

483
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: think it's like a very it's a shockingly nuanced depiction

484
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: of like mental health issues. Yeah, a cartoon.

485
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they just did a really good job

486
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: with bringing this to life. They do a great job

487
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 2: with villains in this. My next pick is also a villain.

488
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 2: But I just think that this episode showcases that like

489
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: soft touch, that that kindness. Also the fact that they

490
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: chose to make it a two part episode. They wanted

491
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: to give it the time so you could see Harvey,

492
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: you could see who he was before, you can see

493
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: who he is after. And once again, it's that soft

494
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: side of Batman that you were talking about, where he

495
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: is kind of more devastated by the fact he couldn't

496
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: help than he is by anything else that happens.

497
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't like beat the shit up of Harvey.

498
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: He takes his He takes his lucky coin and replaces

499
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: it with a big bag of like other coins. That

500
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: is the thing that like allows Harvey. Harvey just becomes

501
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: like completely submerged in his own like mania at that

502
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: point when he can't find his coin, that like Batman's

503
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: able to scoop him up. Yeah, like without violence essentially.

504
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: M Yeah, that's a really good point.

505
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: Actually, we'll be right back after a quick brick and

506
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: we're back. What's your next one?

507
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: Okay, So my next one, which I do think is

508
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: one of the most impactful episodes canonically of the series,

509
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: is Holly and Ivy. This is such a great episode.

510
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: I believe Paul Danny pitched it as like, well, if

511
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: we did Thelma and Louise, but with Poison Ivy and

512
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: Holly Quinn, I mean, who doesn't want that? Also January eighteenth,

513
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three, this is the first time that we

514
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: get that Harley Ivy team up that now obviously has

515
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: become iconic. It's become a relationship, it's spawned TV shows.

516
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: I'm sure in the dream it would spawn movies, and

517
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: of course it inspired comic series like Gotham City Sirens

518
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: and basically like Jokers Fleeing Batman, Harley's in the driver's seat,

519
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,479
Speaker 2: she doesn't do what he wants, and he basically like

520
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: fires her, and she's like, okay, fine, She's like I'm out,

521
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 2: and she decides she's gonna take over from the Joker

522
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: and she's gonna do a heist, and eventually she kind

523
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: of gets entangled with Poison Ivy and they start to

524
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: kind of team up, and as Ivy says, this could

525
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: be the beginning of a beautiful friendship. And we get

526
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: some really interesting law here too, because I'm sure this

527
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: was just a storytelling kind of narrative trick. Because Ivy

528
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: gives Harley an injection that allows her to kind of

529
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: avoid it simulates like Ivy's own immunity to toxins, right,

530
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: And that's so that she can just like hang out

531
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: in her area. She can hang out in the Ivy layer.

532
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: But she can hold she can hold the little pots,

533
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: she can hold the little pods.

534
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: But that in the show and in the comics becomes

535
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: canon to a why Harley can survive great falls, why

536
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: she has extra strength, why her and Ivy end up

537
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 2: being so close because they have these shared powers. We

538
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: also get a lot of moments that I think start

539
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: to ironically years before the comics would deal with this.

540
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: You're talking about almost twenty years before the comics would

541
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: deal with this. Ivy tells Harley off, She's like the

542
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: Joker's an abuser. You got to leave him, Like, what

543
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: the point of this? No, he's not he's a great guy.

544
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: Or he's a great guy.

545
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: Am I am I a pushover?

546
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: Also, this is old school Harley, which means you have

547
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: Arlene Sorkin voicing Harley. Arlene Sorkin who was the inspiration

548
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: for Harley Quinn after Bruce tim saw an episode of

549
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: the old sitcom she was in where she was dressed

550
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: as a clown. And then they got Arleene Sorkin to

551
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: it during like a dream sequence, and they got Arleene

552
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: Sorkin to come and voice Harley, so you're getting that

553
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: old school Harley. And there's a great moment where at

554
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: the end when they're kind of fleeing Thelma and Louise

555
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: style poison Ivy says she's like, no man can take

556
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: us prisoner. And then Rene Montoya, who is a woman,

557
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: she disables their car and they get sent to Arkham Asylum,

558
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: you know, and this is, yeah, it's just so good.

559
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: It sets up I think this antagonism, this friendship, this

560
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: romance that probably at this point a lot of fans

561
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: hadn't even really considered, and it is a massive reset

562
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: for both characters. It continues on, especially in New Batman Adventures.

563
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: They do a lot of uh, kind of back together

564
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: episodes with the par of them. But it's really, yeah,

565
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: it's just I think it's such a great episode and

566
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: so hugely influential, huge on the comics.

567
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: My it's a great lead in for my next one,

568
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: which is Joker's Favor, which, of course first the introduction

569
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: of Harley Quinn in a pre Harley Quinn kind of look.

570
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: She's more just kind of like jokers lead assistant slash Henchy.

571
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: It's got such a fun opening, Like there's this just

572
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: normal citizen of Gotham who's like having a road rage.

573
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: It's like driving around when he like has a road

574
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: rate incident against the Joker, who also is just driving

575
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: around like a like a station wagon with with his

576
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: like luggage upped up. I guess he was like going

577
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: to the like out of town to go like relax.

578
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: The guy sees that it's a joker and tries to flee,

579
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: but the Joker catches him and is like, Okay, I'm

580
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: not gonna kill you, but I'm going to ask you

581
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: for a favor. You know, at some point he's going

582
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: to come back and he's gonna say and he's gonna say,

583
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: you owe me, so you have to do this thing.

584
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: And years pass in which this guy Charlie is like

585
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: like on edge wondering when's the fucking Joker gonna come back?

586
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: So scary.

587
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: Yes, Well, the Joker shows back up years later and

588
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: he wants Charlie's help taking down Commisser Gordon at like

589
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: a big party at the police station. Uh, Charlie doesn't

590
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: want to do it, but like he does it, and

591
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: the plan involves the Joker inside of a cake showing

592
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: up at this party. You know, Batman shows up too.

593
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: There's like a little bit of a scuffle. The Joke,

594
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: with Harley's help, manages to like subdue all of the

595
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: police notables, including Commissioner Gordon. They hang like a time

596
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: bomb around like Commissioner Gordon's neck, but Batman manages to

597
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: do away with that, chases down the Joker. They have

598
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: this big fight like in this museum wonderful museum exhibit

599
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: that like comes to life, and at the end of it,

600
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: of course, Batman takes a Joker in and Charlie is

601
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: able to like live a life feeling secure now that

602
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: the Joker has been put away. It's just like a

603
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: it's just a wonderful, action packed episode. Like there's really

604
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: like a lot of really cool fun set pieces, and

605
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: it shows you because the Joker is played as really

606
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: fun for a lot of the series, but I think

607
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: he's so in this one, even though there's that kind

608
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: of light hearted edge, because he's like really putting Charlie

609
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: through it. For years. This guy's fearing for his life

610
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: for his family's life. At one point, the Joker's like, well,

611
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill your family, like if you don't help me.

612
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 1: And it's so twisted and really evil of the Joker,

613
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: and it's that's something I really love about it, in

614
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: addition to, of course the fact that it's a landmark

615
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: episode because of the introduction of Harley Quinn, who is

616
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: now a major character for DC Comics, both in the

617
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: movies and television and in the comics themselves.

618
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, and one of the few times that we've ever

619
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: had a character who has introduced in animation that comes

620
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: over and becomes like, I mean, they call her the

621
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 2: fourth Pillar of DC. Now, along Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman,

622
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: it's Harlee. You know, that who gets the TV shows,

623
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: that who gets her own movies. That's she always has

624
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: an ongoing series. And she was written as a throwaway

625
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 2: character here, kind of something fun and different to do

626
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: for a henchman, but instead she became so beloved that

627
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: they had to keep her on and I just think

628
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 2: it's so cool and also as well, this is just

629
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: a great episode. I mean, you could do we could

630
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 2: do a whole episode of X ray where we just

631
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: talk about Joker episodes.

632
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it so brilliant, Mark Campbell, I love

633
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: the Joker. He's wonderful.

634
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 2: And my next episode is a Jokeer episode, which is

635
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: this is this is the one I watch every year

636
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 2: at Christmas. It's part of my Christmas watching that I

637
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: always do to get myself in the spirit of things,

638
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: including the Star Wars Holiday Special, which is you know, terrible,

639
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: This is not terrible, this is wonderful. And this was

640
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 2: like I think the second episode ever of the show,

641
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: depending on air date, run time that you watch. And

642
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: this is the first appearance of the Joker with Mark

643
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: Hamill obviously legendary and he would go on to like

644
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: voice the Joke movies in video games, also Dick Grayson's

645
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: first appearance in the series, and basically like it's so

646
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: good because Joker escapes from Arkhamosilum using a rocket hidden

647
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: inside a Christmas the tree. So love the theming, Like

648
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: he's always he's always on theme. He's like, it's Christmas, guys,

649
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: we gotta gotta make this fun. So Batman forces Robin

650
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 2: to go outside and you know, be on the streets

651
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 2: of Gotham patrolling, and Robin just wants to stay home

652
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: and enjoy Christmas, which you know, I can relate. He

653
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 2: wants to get into the spirit of things. Alfred would

654
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 2: probably also rather that. But they go out and it's like, wow,

655
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: perfect Gotham night, peaceful, no problems. Where's the Joker, don't know,

656
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: Let's just go home. They're like, let's just go home

657
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: and watch TV. Let's just watch It's a wonderful life. Alas,

658
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 2: the Joker is revealed has like taken over the Gotham

659
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: airwaves and he's gonna do a Christmas special featuring all

660
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 2: these different people that he's kidnapp commissioned.

661
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: Special is so great. He's he's in shadow, He's like

662
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: laying on the Mandela and then like the lights colored Joker.

663
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: It's like really old school, like Disney, those Wonderful World

664
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: of Disney specials, that what Disney used to do. And

665
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: this is like a truly epic episode where you also

666
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 2: get this outrageous like Christmas toy massacre kind of like

667
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: there's there's Donner and Blitzen and they have machine guns.

668
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: And I just want to say, for whatever people have

669
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: issues with the Joker. Is he a sociopath?

670
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: Yes?

671
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 2: Is he crazy? Yes? Is he always killing people. Yes.

672
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 2: Should the Batman probably have put him out of his

673
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: misery a long time ago, Yes, But one thing I

674
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: will say that Man he commits to a theme, like

675
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: everything in this is the most Christmas themed villainy. He

676
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 2: must have been planning this for like years, years and

677
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: years and years and years. And he's also bringing some

678
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: of the old school Joker things you want to see,

679
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: like he's hanging people over a vat of like molten plastic,

680
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 2: which kind of is akin to the acid. It's just

681
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: so much fun that I can watch this episode a

682
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: million times. It definitely gives me a feeling of when

683
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: I watched it, like as a kid. Also at Christmas

684
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: and Batman are intrinsically connected to me because one of

685
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: my first memories, probably from when I was about two

686
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 2: years old, is watching the scene where the Jack Nicholson

687
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 2: Joker falls in the acid when I was like two

688
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 2: at my uncle's house where they we must have been

689
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: having a family Christmas and I was sitting and I

690
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: was watching it in the reflection of the window. So

691
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: I love Batman, I love Christmas. And eventually Dick Grayson

692
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 2: and Bruce Wayne do get to go and enjoy it's

693
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: a wonderful life and it is. It manages to be

694
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 2: both action packed and super cozy and kind of holiday

695
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: ish thanks to the wonderful work of The Joker and

696
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 2: obviously super seminole, because Mark Hamill as the Joker is

697
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 2: one of the best castings of all.

698
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 1: He sings, he sings jingle bells.

699
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's singing deck the Holes and at the

700
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: end he's just like Merry Christmas, Like Merry Christmas. And

701
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: you know this sets up how much he loves to

702
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: be having fun with Batman, Like those two just love

703
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: to be playing with each other and doing these kind of.

704
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: Sick relationship that is not a it's kind of a

705
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: warm one. That leads me to my next episode, Joker's Wild. Now,

706
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: watching this Joker is like the Michael Jordan of escaping

707
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: from Arkham. Oh he he never can do it. He

708
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: can do it at will.

709
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 2: A Christmas tree and a rocket like That's that already

710
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: is setting him up as the MVP of escaping.

711
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: Never dare him to escape Arkham, because he will. So

712
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: in this episode, the Joker's like sitting around Arkham. He's

713
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: watching TV with other I think Mad Hatter is there

714
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: and like They're just like sitting on the couch watching television,

715
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: and there's a news report that a new casino is open.

716
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: It's called Jokers Wild, and it very very clearly infringes

717
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: on the Joker's trademark look and is you know, quite

718
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,959
Speaker 1: clearly trading on the notoriety of the Joker in order

719
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: to draw people in. And the owner of the casino,

720
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: Cameron Kaiser, is it publicly He's like, no, what I

721
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: mean clowns. Clowns are popular, and jokers in the deca

722
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: cod multiple jokers in there. What are you talking about?

723
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: Just the reference to the Joker on the deck, And

724
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: but like privately he's like, yeah, I want to provoke

725
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: the I want to provoke the Joker to attacking my

726
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: casino so I can get the insurance. Well, the Joker

727
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 1: sees this TV report and becomes fucking enraged and he

728
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: breaks out of Arkham that minute in a multi pronged,

729
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: like very elaborate escape attempt. He does it, no problem.

730
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: He gets there, and then he realizes at the casino

731
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: that oh wait, this is what he wants. This is

732
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: what Kaiser wants. He wants me to wreck the place instead.

733
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to seize ownership of casino from this guy.

734
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the owner of the casino. Batman shows up.

735
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: You know, there's like the Joker is doing all sorts

736
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: of shit. He's like making it obvious that the game's

737
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: are rigged. He's like terrorizing people, He's like driving cars

738
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: through the fucking bedding floor and stuff. And eventually, of

739
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: course Batman takes not just the Joker down, but also

740
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 1: Kaiser for the insurance fraud. And it's great because this

741
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: is it's a cool trick that this show does a lot,

742
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: because even though the Joker is nominally the antagonist of

743
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: the show, and I just got done talking about an

744
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: episode previously where the Joker is purely evil bastard who

745
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: tortures a guy for multiple years, he's also like kind of,

746
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, silently like the co lead.

747
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 4: Of the show.

748
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: And so they've created this episode where the there's a

749
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: different bad guy. The bad guy is this guy Kaiser, who,

750
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: if he had not provoked the Joker, would have the

751
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: Joker would have remained in Arkham yea. And so it's

752
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: this really cool balancing act that they do because you

753
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: actually you're thrilled when the Joker escapes from Arkham. You

754
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: want to see him confront Kaiser. It's fun to watch

755
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: him like driving his Joker buggy through the fucking casino floor.

756
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: I think this is a really really smart thing you've

757
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: picked up on because this is a Pauldini episode. My

758
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: next pick is also a Paul Deanie written episode. This

759
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: man can write a villain so well, and I think

760
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: it's why the Rogues Gallery sings in this and specifically

761
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: the Joker, and something I'd love about jokers wild In

762
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: a lot of shows, they would be like, well, the

763
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: villain is popular and Batman is popular, so we'll have

764
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 2: to have them team up. But you can't team up

765
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: Batman and the Joker. It's just it doesn't work. So

766
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: I love that they introduce a different antagonist so that

767
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: you can follow the Joker as if he is the protagonist.

768
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 5: We're going to take a quick break and we'll be

769
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 5: right back, and we're back, okay.

770
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: My last pick is going back to the kind of

771
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: more recognized, beloved episodes. This is called Almost Got Them.

772
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 2: It's yeah, written by Paul Deini again. It's another Rogues

773
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: episode directed by Eric Radomski, and it just is so

774
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: good where it's basically Killer Croc, Penguin, Catwoman, Poison Ivy,

775
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: the Joker, and they meet a pocon night, like a

776
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: villain's pocon night, Like who's putting up the flyer for that?

777
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: Like how does this happen? And you have, by the way,

778
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: Paul Williams as Penguin aka like multiple award winning songwriter

779
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: the man who wrote The Rainbow Connection and all the

780
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: songs of Bugsy Malone. Paul Williams as the Penguin, Aaron

781
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: Kinkaid's Killer Croc, obviously Adrian Bobo's Catwoman. It is such

782
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: a smart idea for an episode, and it's another reason

783
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 2: why this show is so fantastic. It's like a dialogue

784
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 2: episode where they all just talk about times they almost

785
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: caught Batman. So you get that kind of anthology of

786
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 2: different experiences, but you also get this hilariously like almost

787
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: like mundane view of what it's like to live in

788
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: Gotham and be trying to defeat Batman every day, Like

789
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: it becomes your day job.

790
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: It's That's what I That's what I was gonna say.

791
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: This is like a it becomes it's like a workplace

792
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: contra episode. It's just like the the villains that work

793
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: at Gotham are just complaining about this guy and all

794
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: the times they almost defeated him, And there's something so

795
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: fun about that. I just I love hangout episodes. I've

796
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: talked about it a lot on this show. And there's

797
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: just something about the idea that all the villains, the

798
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 1: top villains would get together and have like a cards

799
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: night where they're just all sitting around sharing war stories.

800
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: There's something really like that's fun to me.

801
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: I love. Yeah. Also, it's like a hilarious It has

802
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: like a hilarious twist at the end where you're also

803
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: like Batman, like what's wrong with you? Like once again,

804
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: like get a fucking life, like please, like you just

805
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: he's just such a silly man. And I kind of

806
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 2: love how this episode plays on that by showing that

807
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: even when these people are just kind of having their

808
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 2: office comedy and chilling out, Batman has to get involved,

809
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: Like they can't have a night off. He always has

810
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: to be there trying to save Gotham and defeat these

811
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 2: villains even when they're just chilling and reminiscing. Yeah, this

812
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: is like such a good one. And it also this

813
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 2: is one of those ones where if you're in the

814
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: comic shop or you know, you're hanging out with your friends.

815
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 2: There's some fun contradictions here where you try and kind

816
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 2: of work out if they're like connections, or there are

817
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: these kind of teasers to other episodes, or what works

818
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 2: and what doesn't work and how it fits, and yeah,

819
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: it's just I love this episode and it was a

820
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: really fun example of the kind of out there thinking

821
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: when it comes to a kid's cartoon where every week

822
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 2: has to be the monster of the week, which we

823
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 2: love those stories, Scooby Doo, legendary, kind of fun, succinct

824
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 2: kids storytelling. This approaches storytelling more like a prestige TV show,

825
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: and I think that's one of the reasons that it

826
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: has stayed so fresh and so impactful. And why you know,

827
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 2: thirty years later, we have a TV series, The Cape Crusader,

828
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 2: that is a spiritual successor to this, that's like the

829
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 2: number one show on Prime Video.

830
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: Coming up, we're turning to the back matter with some

831
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: special friends of the podcast. Okay, we're asking folks this

832
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: little questionnaire about Batman, so we might as well ask ourselves.

833
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: I like that five questions. First of all, Rosie, what

834
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 1: makes Batman in animation so compelling.

835
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: I think freedom to bring the world of Gotham and

836
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: Batman and his villains to life in a way that

837
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: you probably couldn't do in live action.

838
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's that, and I will add that

839
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:19,959
Speaker 1: it's also provides an opportunity to engage with these kind

840
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: of traditional old timey kind of storytelling spaces the forties

841
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: the fifties in a way that feels current. You can

842
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: use these as a touchdown and that can frame what

843
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,439
Speaker 1: you're doing in this wonderful way. There's just so much

844
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 1: freedom to create a vibe and a tone in animation,

845
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: and Batman is all about that tone. It never has

846
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: to be daytime, and even when it's daytime, it can

847
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: look like nighttime. All of that stuff. Second question, in

848
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: your opinion, how to Batman the animated series alter Batman's

849
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 1: place in superhero history.

850
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 2: I think it provided a renewed younger audience that wasn't

851
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: necessarily being catered to by Batman Returns, a movie I

852
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 2: love and loved as a kid, but for some kids

853
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: it was quite scary. It wasn't seen as toyetic, it

854
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 2: was hard to market it to kids. I think this

855
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 2: opened a door to a younger audience, staying engaged with Batman,

856
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: while ironically also becoming the definitive version of Batman for

857
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 2: a lot of adults. I think Batman animated series also

858
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 2: deeply secured the idea of Gotham as almost a steam

859
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: punk Dirigibles in the Sky, constant noir. I think that

860
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: version of Gotham still hangs heavy over everything we do.

861
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: And obviously I also think that Batman in animated history

862
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: essentially gets to generally say that's the best animated series

863
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 2: we've ever gotten, you know, and I love a lot

864
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 2: of different animated series. We've been blessed with lots of

865
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 2: superho and comic book animated series. But I think for

866
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 2: a lot of adults, a lot of people our age

867
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 2: until this new era of say Invincible, this kind of

868
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 2: Western adult animation, for a long time, Batman was still

869
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: the standard bear for what you could do with a

870
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 2: comic book.

871
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree with everything you said. I don't have

872
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: much to add other than to say I think most importantly,

873
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: and you touched on it, it was handing off Batman

874
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: to another generation of young fans and distilling the the

875
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: dynamics of Gotham City and the relationships between Batman, Alfred

876
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: Robin and his rogues gallery down into a form that

877
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: young fans could really grasp onto and immediately understand who

878
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: these characters are. I think that was really important.

879
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 4: Yeah.

880
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: Question three, what is the series' most significant contribution to

881
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: the comics.

882
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 2: I think that, as we talked about in our conversation,

883
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: there are a lot. I think that you picked a

884
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 2: great one with Heart of Ice. I do think that

885
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 2: changed everything for Victor Freeze. But I think, obviously I'm

886
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 2: sure this is what all of our guests are going

887
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: to say, it's Harlequin. That was a game changer to

888
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 2: have a character who is meant to be a throwaway

889
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: hensch who ended up becoming so popular that they transitioned

890
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: her into the comics and who is now, you know,

891
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: a cultural zeitgeist in her own right. She has her

892
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 2: own movie, she has her multiple cartoon shows, she has

893
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: a spin off of her cartoon show. She has stuff

894
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 2: that's for kids, she has stuff that's for adults. She's

895
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 2: been in Injustice, she's been in The Batman Arkham Games.

896
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 2: I think that is and she is still one of

897
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 2: the best sellers in comics to this day. So I

898
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: think it's Harlequin.

899
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: I'll seem out for my answer. I think it's it's

900
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: showing that good ideas can come from anywhere in I

901
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 1: love that the storytelling space and that if you have

902
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: something that that sticks that originated in TV animated to you,

903
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: it doesn't even be live action TV, it could be

904
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: any come from anywhere, then you should run with them.

905
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: And I think it's something that is it's proof positive

906
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: that a good idea just sticks, and that if you

907
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: have a great character inanimated, once the fans do the

908
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: thing that you want them to do, which is start

909
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: watching the live action, when you start picking up the

910
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: comic books, they're gonna they're gonna say, where is this character?

911
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: Why isn't this character here? And it's a natural way

912
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: to launch a character.

913
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 4: Yeah.

914
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: Final question, what do you think the legacy of Batman

915
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: the animated series overall?

916
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 2: I think we've touched on a lot and I really

917
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 2: like your kind of big picture answer. I will say,

918
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 2: just because we haven't really talked about him, I do

919
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 2: think one of the legacies, and definitely now that he

920
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: has sadly passed away, I do think it is Kevin Colmroy.

921
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 2: Batman is like a definitive legacy. Not only that, but

922
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: introducing us to Kevin Conroy, his performance as Batman becoming

923
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: so definitive for so many of us. Also, I think

924
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 2: part and parcel of that is as young people understanding

925
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 2: what voice acting is. You know, you have Mark Hamill

926
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 2: from Star Wars, He's the Joker, so you start thinking like, oh,

927
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 2: doing voices, like that's a job. Kevin Comray for so

928
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 2: many years people would say that's the best Batman. I

929
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 2: think Kevin Comray is a huge part of this legacy,

930
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 2: especially as he later shared with us that he was

931
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 2: also a queer man who had found, you know, a

932
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 2: voice through Batman and a place to be able to

933
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 2: live and be free as himself. I just think that

934
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 2: Kevin Comray, his importance and his part of the Batman

935
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 2: legacy cannot be ignored. So for this one, I'll say

936
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 2: Kevin Comray.

937
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 1: For me, it's animated as a strength for DC as

938
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: a media corporation. I think this this established DC as

939
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: a place where vibrant, hard hitting, emotionally resonant stories are

940
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: told and adapted from comics and told in animated form.

941
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: And as you know, in this era of live action

942
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: comic book movies as DC, to be fair to them,

943
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: has played ketchup a lot of the time. They've been

944
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: leading for all of this time, and it is a massive, massive, Yes,

945
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 1: it's a massive strength for the company and it has

946
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: been ever since Batman the animated series totally What makes

947
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:49,479
Speaker 1: Batman in animation so compelling, I.

948
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 3: Think I think the thing about Batman is that you

949
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 3: ironically want to hide as much of them as you can,

950
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 3: because he's honestly a dude. It's with like funny little

951
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 3: pointy ears on where's a very you know ghost cape,

952
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 3: you know, like, but in animation, like suddenly the shape

953
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 3: of him gets to be different, and it's the thing

954
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 3: they did in Batman and animate series all the time,

955
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 3: the cloak dynamics of like sometimes he looks like a

956
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 3: priest where it's all the way down the middle. Sometimes

957
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 3: it's the giant silhouette of a bat Sometimes it has

958
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 3: no physics to it anymore because it just gets to

959
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 3: be somewhat abstract. And you can't do that in live action,

960
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 3: you know, live action, it's it's too real. And Batman

961
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 3: is honestly a character that wants to defy reality, and

962
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 3: I think animation ends up being the perfect medium for him.

963
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, with that in mind, kind of in your opinion,

964
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 2: this is a big question, but how do you think

965
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: Batman the Animated Series altered Batman's place in the kind

966
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: of superhero canon because it really did have that much

967
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: of an impact.

968
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 3: It had that much of an impact, and I think

969
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 3: ironically what it did was it for as serious as

970
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 3: Tim Burton's Batman film was in nineteen eighty nine, Batman

971
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 3: the Animated Series took the character and took the world

972
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 3: like it was dickenzie and drama, like it was never

973
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 3: a joke to them. Yeah, you know. And when you

974
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 3: get episodes like Heart of Ice, which suddenly makes mister

975
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 3: Freeze this this tragic hero of his own story, it

976
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 3: never took it as ironically, it never took it as

977
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 3: children's entertainment, and not that that is a pejorative in

978
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 3: terms of children's entertainment, but the themes were so rich,

979
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 3: the attack on the characters were so rich. It imbued

980
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 3: everything with a dignity that it had never had before

981
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 3: in a medium that had never really given him that

982
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 3: much play like he's a super friend, you guys, you know,

983
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 3: and like, but now Batman, Bruce Wayne and the tire

984
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 3: Rogues Gallery just has this heft that it had never

985
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,959
Speaker 3: had before, and that heft is what has now survived

986
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 3: through every other iteration to it, like now it's it's Deckenzie,

987
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 3: and now it's Shakespearean, or it had never really been

988
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 3: before Batman the animated series.

989
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, the show had a huge impact on the comics

990
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: in many different ways, esthetically thematically. What do you think

991
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:30,919
Speaker 1: the series' most significant contribution to the comic books has been?

992
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 3: I think, you know, and I will relish in the

993
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 3: fact that I'm the first person you're asking this question to.

994
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 3: Harley Quinn is probably the biggest significant contribution that came

995
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 3: directly from the animated series and has since just proliferated

996
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 3: through every iteration of Batman ever since, to the point

997
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 3: where we have a freaking Joker movie coming out that

998
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 3: is just all about Joker and Harley. You know, I

999
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 3: think it was It's it's that I mean Hardy, of course,

1000
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 3: I think it's the Joker, you know. I think Mark

1001
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 3: Hamill's Joker is the Joker people hear in their heads

1002
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 3: in the way that Kevin Conroy's Batman is the Batman

1003
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 3: they hear in their heads. Yeah, you know, and so

1004
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 3: the fact that it just sort of set those templates

1005
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 3: so incredibly strongly, you know that that I feel like

1006
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 3: that stuff and the Harley stuff are the the constant,

1007
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 3: pervasive influences of that show.

1008
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 2: And obviously this is kind of an ever moving question

1009
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 2: because legacy continues, and the legacy of the show is

1010
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 2: not over by any means. But what do you feel

1011
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 2: like the legacy of Batman the Animated Series is right now? Like,

1012
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 2: now that we're here in twenty twenty four, what do

1013
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 2: you feel like the biggest legacy of the show is.

1014
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 3: I think it was it was both faith in the

1015
01:00:54,480 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 3: character and believing that something as inherently silly as Batman

1016
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 3: deserve to be treated as well as it did. You know,

1017
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 3: I think the amount of care and craftsmanship that when

1018
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 3: it's a Batman the Animated Series is somewhat unlike any

1019
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 3: animated show that had come before, at least American animated shows,

1020
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 3: to the point where now we're living in this sort

1021
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 3: of golden age of animation. You know that that that spans,

1022
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 3: you know, both both audience and content type and creation

1023
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 3: type and country of origin. Like I think a lot

1024
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 3: of that we're taking animation seriously begins with Batman, the

1025
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 3: animated series, you know, begins with with the kind of

1026
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 3: like Alex Toff inspired character design, and they like the deep,

1027
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 3: like the weird noir of what that Gotham city was like,

1028
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 3: and the fluidity with time and space that that had,

1029
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 3: the the we could kind of do anything and then

1030
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 3: did do anything.

1031
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 2: It.

1032
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 3: I think it inspired lots of artists to be like, oh,

1033
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 3: what if I did this with this character? What if

1034
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 3: I gave this level of integrity and rigor to he Man?

1035
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 3: What if we did that with Shira, What if we

1036
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 3: did that with you know, name it like ThunderCats, Like

1037
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 3: things that had previously been sort of relegated to the

1038
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 3: sort of dust bin of juvenility. That's a word began

1039
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 3: to be reclaimed as like, you know what, it can

1040
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 3: be for us, for always. And so I think that

1041
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 3: that something like Batman kpe Crusader is just the latest

1042
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 3: in that long line of like this can always be

1043
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 3: for us, you know, we don't have to give it

1044
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 3: up when we get older. We don't have to put

1045
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 3: away childish things because they were never childish to begin with.

1046
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 3: And I think I think there's something there's something kind

1047
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 3: of phenomenal about what you know, Bruce tim and Alan

1048
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 3: Burnett and Paul Deny and like that whole crew managed

1049
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 3: to pull together Lightning in a bottle that then just

1050
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 3: sparked everybody's imagination for decades to come.

1051
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: Okay, here's the here's the real hard question. Your ultimate

1052
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: Batman the Animated series episode.

1053
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I'd be a knucklehead if I didn't say

1054
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 3: Heart of Ice. You know it's it's I had. I

1055
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 3: had never given mister Freeze a second thought because he

1056
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 3: was so silly. He was always silly, Like you know,

1057
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 3: is it do with a with a with a snow

1058
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 3: cone machine on his back? Who diamonds? You know, Like

1059
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 3: I've never been quite so disappointed as like going to

1060
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 3: see Batman and Robin and being like, this is how

1061
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 3: you're going to basterdize the heart of vice story? Like

1062
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 3: come on, what's an negger? Like I know what you're

1063
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 3: trying to do, but like it's you couldn't get there.

1064
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 3: But that level of pathos for a character who had

1065
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,959
Speaker 3: been a joke is so endemic of what that show

1066
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 3: could do. And the love that everybody who made that

1067
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 3: show had for these characters was just like, yeah, you

1068
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,959
Speaker 3: know what we are going to make you cry over

1069
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 3: the villain in a Batman story. And if you can

1070
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 3: pull that off, then that is a very specific magic

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Speaker 3: trick that I think so many of us are trying

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Speaker 3: to replicate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the end of that episode is just its heartbreak.

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Speaker 1: You do not see coming.

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Speaker 3: It's heartbreaking and like power to you, guys. You made

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Speaker 3: me cry a thing I never thought i'd cry at,

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Speaker 3: which is a Batman.

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Speaker 1: Cartoon mark next of your time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my pleasure, gang, this is a.

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Speaker 2: Blast stoke to have you back. On tomorrow's episode of

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Speaker 2: X ray Vision, we're diving into episode two or four

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Speaker 2: of The Rings of Power, including a wonderful interview with

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Speaker 2: EP Jennifer Hutchinson. Then on Tuesday, check out a very

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Speaker 2: special video game episode where we'll be covering all the

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Speaker 2: news updates and of course Star Wars Outlaws. Friday, we're

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Speaker 2: continuing Animation Month with a special time capsule episode on

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Speaker 2: Miyazaki's latest film, The Boy and the Heron.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Ken, Sumpsion and

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Speaker 1: Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our

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Speaker 1: executive producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our Supervising

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Speaker 1: producer is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent

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Speaker 1: and Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Laude, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 2: and Heidi. Our discoored Moderata