Speaker 1: It seems like every day we learn more and more
Speaker 1: about how broken our government is, how there are people
Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. These elected leaders who they're not
Speaker 1: there to serve us, They're not there to serve the
Speaker 1: American people. They're there to serve themselves. And in fact,
Speaker 1: in a lot of these instances, they're actually weaponizing the
Speaker 1: government against us. We have a broken and dysfunctional government.
Speaker 1: We have a government that has become too centralized. You know,
Speaker 1: far gone is the vision of decentralization of our founding fathers,
Speaker 1: of the Founding generation. And so we need more and
Speaker 1: more people in Washington, d C. Or in government, whether
Speaker 1: it's the federal government or local and state government, who
Speaker 1: are actually fighting for us, who care about us, who
Speaker 1: see the challenges ahead, see the problems that we face,
Speaker 1: and want to make change, and are willing to fight
Speaker 1: for change. One of those people's Congressman Dan Bishop from
Speaker 1: North Carolina. I want you to listen to something that
Speaker 1: he recently said on the House floor. We aw would
Speaker 1: to the American people to reveal the rock within our
Speaker 1: federal government and out it out so that it can
Speaker 1: no longer harm everyday Americans. Mr Speaker, today we're putting
Speaker 1: the deep state on notice, We're coming for you on
Speaker 1: behalf of everyday Americans. There you have it. Today, we're
Speaker 1: putting the deep state on notice. We are coming for
Speaker 1: you on behalf of everyday Americans. He is fighting for us.
Speaker 1: He is standing up against the government, against the deep state,
Speaker 1: serving or needs the American people, if you're in North Carolina,
Speaker 1: serving your needs as you're a congressman. And we're fortunate
Speaker 1: that he will likely serve on this new House committee
Speaker 1: that's going to investigate the federal government, to investigate the
Speaker 1: weaponization of government against us, much like the Church Committee
Speaker 1: did back in the day, and we need that and
Speaker 1: he will likely be on that committee, so we're thankful
Speaker 1: for that. He was also part of that small group
Speaker 1: of Republicans, the twenty Republicans who stood against Kevin McCarthy,
Speaker 1: and not just because of Kevin McCarthy, but to try
Speaker 1: to force change in Washington, d c. To try to
Speaker 1: make changes to House rules to make government more transparent,
Speaker 1: to try to place checks and balances against the Speaker
Speaker 1: of the House, and also to fight for things like
Speaker 1: this House committee that is ultimately going to investigate and
Speaker 1: stand up against the federal government. So we're very fortunate
Speaker 1: to have him in Congress. He's a good man and
Speaker 1: I'm so thankful for him to be a guest on
Speaker 1: this show on this episode. So we'll talk to him
Speaker 1: about all of that, why he started up to make
Speaker 1: changes and make changes to the process and not voting
Speaker 1: for Kevin McCarthy, who also talk to him about these
Speaker 1: revelations about Joe Biden. Again, a person who's in a
Speaker 1: position of power, who's not there to serve us. He's
Speaker 1: there to serve his own needs, his own interests, to
Speaker 1: enrich himself and his family. So we'll talk about this
Speaker 1: discovery of the classified documents, what that means, what you
Speaker 1: need to know, and so much more. So I hope
Speaker 1: you enjoyed this interview with Congressman Dan Bishop of North
Speaker 1: Carolina Congress and m Bishop. I just wanted to thank you, sir.
Speaker 1: You were one of the small group of Republicans who
Speaker 1: fought to make changes to the House rules in the
Speaker 1: way that Congress conducts business. So thank you for doing that.
Speaker 1: Than we really had a remarkable outcome, and looking back
Speaker 1: on it, it was very much the right thing to do.
Speaker 1: Thought so at the time, a lot of criticism from
Speaker 1: conservatives even that we were that we didn't just coordinate
Speaker 1: the speaker to be and do the same thing and
Speaker 1: the same way we've always done it. But we actually
Speaker 1: saw democracy, real genuine democracy breakout in Washington, the place
Speaker 1: where the endless omnibus and it never stops. But we've
Speaker 1: we've gotten major reforms, We've got commitments to very important
Speaker 1: and specific legislative policy strategy. We got one thing that's
Speaker 1: very important to me was the Select Committees as a
Speaker 1: subcommittee actually in the June a sure Uh committee under
Speaker 1: Jim Jordan's on the weaponization of the federal government against
Speaker 1: the against American citizens. And so there were some really
Speaker 1: great wins there, and I think overall the Republican Conference
Speaker 1: is stronger for it. It's a and I'm glad to
Speaker 1: have been part of it. Why was that an important
Speaker 1: fight for you? I think most Americans I've said this
Speaker 1: to some of my colleagues there showed me the people
Speaker 1: who say that Congress as an institution is working well
Speaker 1: for the American people. Nobody says that. Everybody admits that
Speaker 1: it is dysfunctional and broken. I got a huge kick
Speaker 1: out of mainstream media talking about chaos and dysfunction on
Speaker 1: the floor on January three, last week. Chaos and dysfunction,
Speaker 1: or at least dysfunction is what is. What better describes
Speaker 1: the fact that two weeks earlier they put out a
Speaker 1: one point seven trillion dollar obvious to govern spending over
Speaker 1: the next nine months and all sorts of trash in it.
Speaker 1: Four thousand dollar bill drops out in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night on one day and then basically at the
Speaker 1: end of the next day we're voting for it. Nobody
Speaker 1: knows what's in it. It's designed by a handful of people.
Speaker 1: That is not what was supposed to happen when Congress
Speaker 1: was set up. And this problem is perpetual. And the
Speaker 1: leadership class, I mean, Kevin McCarthy has considerable talents in
Speaker 1: certain aspects of leadership, but he's been in leadership for
Speaker 1: fourteen years in Congress, and we needed to know that
Speaker 1: whoever the speaker was, was going to go to the
Speaker 1: map for Americans, for UH fiscal discipline, for some key
Speaker 1: policies that have been waiting for a House in which
Speaker 1: people have more participation. Members who were elected by seven
Speaker 1: thousand Americans of Peace that we were voices are being heard.
Speaker 1: We have conservatives on a widespread variety of committees. All
Speaker 1: of those things were necessary, and a lot of members
Speaker 1: of the Republican Conference now are touting the rules changes,
Speaker 1: the legislative policy we've we've had committed to, but not
Speaker 1: one single change would have occurred but for the twenty
Speaker 1: who were prepared to stand up for it. Well, and
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And I said on Fox you know,
Speaker 1: Congress is approval rating, but we're but we're beating up
Speaker 1: the guys trying to change the process, like you know,
Speaker 1: like that doesn't make sense to me. And you know,
Speaker 1: and we're at such a critical juncture as a country
Speaker 1: with just a government that's broken, a government that is
Speaker 1: really being weaponized against us. So you know, the time
Speaker 1: to fight is now. So I appreciate what you did, sir,
Speaker 1: and and and you know, we look at that broken
Speaker 1: government part. And there's these revelations this week that Joe
Speaker 1: Biden mishandled classified information. Despite his criticism of the former
Speaker 1: president Donald Trump, he has been in businession of classified
Speaker 1: information for years now, and we're just now fighting out
Speaker 1: about it, just now finding out about it, and we
Speaker 1: don't know precisely with the time line of the discoveries
Speaker 1: was but we're as soon. We'll find out in the
Speaker 1: due course, But it would appear to me that somebody
Speaker 1: in the federal bureaucracy understood this, knew that the that
Speaker 1: these documents were there, and they knew that before this
Speaker 1: midterm election. And we have another, probably another situation in
Speaker 1: which information was cultivated and suppressed and concealed until after
Speaker 1: the election, so the American people couldn't take it into consideration.
Speaker 1: But with respect to Donald Trump, you're seeing stuff you've
Speaker 1: never seen in American history. Is that another case of
Speaker 1: a of the FBI, of the Department of Justice being
Speaker 1: politicized and used selectively for political advantage? You know, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to be responsible and my rhetoric about this as
Speaker 1: we undertake this committee that I made reference to, But
Speaker 1: those were exactly the kinds of events that keep coming
Speaker 1: time and time and time again. And yes, Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: you know, they've they've tried to do everything they can
Speaker 1: to make Donald Trump pariah, and yet they're doing the
Speaker 1: same thing all the time. Well, you know, and and
Speaker 1: they're telling us that he takes classified information seriously, but
Speaker 1: he's had these documents for years, So that's kind of
Speaker 1: hard to believe and in multiple uh you know, in
Speaker 1: multiple places, multiple locations. Um, you know it is garage,
Speaker 1: but it's next to US corvette, sir, so we know
Speaker 1: that much. Yeah, it's uh, it's a remarkable, remarkable development.
Speaker 1: And I look forward to seeing how I mean, they
Speaker 1: put themselves in a box. So let's see how they
Speaker 1: deal with it. Well, you know, and it was reported
Speaker 1: that these documents were discovered on November two, six days
Speaker 1: before the midterm elections. How can we have any faith
Speaker 1: or trust that this is being uh, this is being
Speaker 1: handled in an objective way when it's been withheld from
Speaker 1: the public for so long. Aspects of even that report
Speaker 1: are implausible. Lisa the second of November discovered by lawyers
Speaker 1: in the course of closing up his Penn Biden Center
Speaker 1: office in d C. Maybe, uh, it stands to reason
Speaker 1: to me that if someone discovered it probably was not
Speaker 1: lawyers going through everything. But you know, maybe that'll that'll
Speaker 1: hold up. I think we will. I understand Oversight Committee
Speaker 1: Jamie Cohmer, folks are already reaching out to see what
Speaker 1: that information was, to get a look at it in Congress,
Speaker 1: and we'll look behind what we're being told but lots
Speaker 1: of times when you go back and look, the initial
Speaker 1: story turns out to be incomplete or misleading in some way.
Speaker 1: I will be willing to Well, I won't bet because
Speaker 1: I don't have enough information, but I won't be surprised
Speaker 1: if it turns out that information the mishandling of classified
Speaker 1: documents by Biden was known well in advance of the election,
Speaker 1: and they left that story out there as an asymmetrical
Speaker 1: way of damaging the prospects for Republicans in the election. Well,
Speaker 1: I also wonder if the discovery had anything to do
Speaker 1: with this investigation into Hunter Biden. You know, is that
Speaker 1: what sort of spurred this discovery and this admission that
Speaker 1: he had these documents? You know, is that something that
Speaker 1: was going to be uncovered or was uncovered and the
Speaker 1: Hunter Biden investigation? You know, I wonder, you know, if
Speaker 1: the timing has to do with that, and if this
Speaker 1: has to do with Hunter Biden. Right, And it is
Speaker 1: often the case again that there is some sort of
Speaker 1: pressure that has developed. They anticipate things are coming, therefore
Speaker 1: the revelation gets made. I don't know whether if there
Speaker 1: were nothing else happening, we would ever have heard this,
Speaker 1: But well, you know, we'll have to see what else
Speaker 1: he felt. I would say, as far as your listeners
Speaker 1: are concerned, and I'm sure they all know this, don't
Speaker 1: make all your conclusions tentative, because I believe there will
Speaker 1: be other additional shoes to drop. I agree as well.
Speaker 1: And then also you know, I'm sure you guys are
Speaker 1: looking into it and would be interested in learning more
Speaker 1: about the penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement.
Speaker 1: We know that University of Pennsylvania they took tens of
Speaker 1: millions of dollars in gifts and contracts from China between
Speaker 1: two thousand four two twenty. And then we know that
Speaker 1: the Washington Free Beacon noted that foreign donations to the
Speaker 1: university tripled in the two years following the Biden Centers
Speaker 1: opening in which is also even more suspicious just given
Speaker 1: the Biden's family connection to China and business developments in China,
Speaker 1: you know, along with business leaders in China. So you
Speaker 1: know that is suspicious as well. Right, Mike Pompeo gives
Speaker 1: a very compelling speech about the way in which Chinese
Speaker 1: money and Chinese influence have been spread. Of course, we've
Speaker 1: heard a lot of even recent stories about essentially a
Speaker 1: Chinese police station in New York and so forth to
Speaker 1: kind of keep tabs on Chinese citizens here in the
Speaker 1: United States. But but particularly the university h channel for
Speaker 1: the fund things and Confucius centers, they have been relentless
Speaker 1: and aggressive about doing that. I think we should see
Speaker 1: we should see some additional scrutiny on what the nature
Speaker 1: and source of that funding has been and and what
Speaker 1: it is, what kind of effects it is producing at
Speaker 1: that university. Quick commercial break and the more with Congressman
Speaker 1: Dan Bishop, what do you hope that this new committee,
Speaker 1: you know, this Church Committee looking into government, looking into
Speaker 1: the weaponization of government, what do you hope is accomplished there?
Speaker 1: You know, in Frank Church, Senator Democratic senator from Idaho
Speaker 1: back in the undertook that chair that select committee in
Speaker 1: the Senate. People had a disquieting feeling that the intelligence
Speaker 1: community had gotten out of control. Um, I think we
Speaker 1: see that phenomenon again, maybe in a bigger way. Who
Speaker 1: was ever seen at the time If you remember some
Speaker 1: of the things they were concerned about then it was
Speaker 1: foreign covert operations that had less than clear authorization from
Speaker 1: the president, particularly assassination policy. But they also had the
Speaker 1: FBI infiltrating frankly mostly left wing groups, but not entirely.
Speaker 1: And uh and and a lot of just a lot
Speaker 1: of very disturbing things that were going on. Now I
Speaker 1: have this, you know, if you look at the Twitter
Speaker 1: file story or the various pieces of it, it seems
Speaker 1: to me that the FBI this foreign and foreign influenced
Speaker 1: task force. I don't know how big it is, but
Speaker 1: Elvis Chan San Francisco off to the FBI engaging with
Speaker 1: the old raw that that Twitter, and you know what's
Speaker 1: happening with other social media outlets as well. They are
Speaker 1: curating the public square. They're deciding what Americans can hear
Speaker 1: and say. I don't know how the FBI ever got
Speaker 1: the idea that that's their job or their prerogative. They say.
Speaker 1: Then then when it happens, they put this extraordinarily contemptuous
Speaker 1: statement out that says they deplore the conspiracy theories, as
Speaker 1: they say, and they say, we're just engaging with our
Speaker 1: community partners. As far as I know, the FBI is
Speaker 1: responsible for investigating and and reporting to the Department of
Speaker 1: Justice the violations of federal laws, criminal law. I don't
Speaker 1: think they're here to engage with community partners to the
Speaker 1: point that they're uh curating the public debate. And that's
Speaker 1: so dangerous. And I think it's one example, but I
Speaker 1: believe we see at proliferating everywhere, and and it jeopardizes
Speaker 1: the very fabric of our society to have the federal
Speaker 1: bureaucracy deciding to manage the population that's not supposed to
Speaker 1: happen in the United States. Well, I interviewed Ron Paul
Speaker 1: recently because I believe it was back in who is
Speaker 1: warning that the FBI's purpose is really des by on Americans,
Speaker 1: despy on us? And you know, I had asked him,
Speaker 1: you know, how does it feel to be vindicated? You know,
Speaker 1: because he was criticized so much for you know, saying
Speaker 1: these sorts of things, and it turns out that he
Speaker 1: was very very right. Had I've been involved at the time,
Speaker 1: I might have been one of his critics, because I
Speaker 1: am one who has been rather converted. I have always
Speaker 1: been and continue to be a supporter of law enforcement.
Speaker 1: I think that that we see too much demonizing of
Speaker 1: the cop on the street, and even though maybe the
Speaker 1: line FBI agent, but these high level executive functions and
Speaker 1: uh sort of the imposing of personal will and the
Speaker 1: American people from the position of the bureaucracy, whether it
Speaker 1: be FBI or other agencies, is damaging and dangerous. And
Speaker 1: I think Ron Paul Ron Paul has proven, as you say,
Speaker 1: is being vindicated and and and what I intend to
Speaker 1: do in this committee, and I anticip I expect to
Speaker 1: be on it, Jim Jordan to run it is We're
Speaker 1: gonna make a major effort. We're gonna dig in hard,
Speaker 1: We're gonna face stonewalling. So I don't those folks who
Speaker 1: get up there and say, well, I'll you know, believe
Speaker 1: it when you show me what you can do. We
Speaker 1: I'm not sure the United States Congress has the capacity
Speaker 1: to fix everything about this, but we darnwell kinnocks can
Speaker 1: work hard to expose it and make great progress in
Speaker 1: that direction, and then the American people will make their choices.
Speaker 1: But I don't think we want to live in the
Speaker 1: kind of world or in the kind of United States
Speaker 1: where the deep State decides what you can here, think
Speaker 1: and say. And I think to one thing that would
Speaker 1: be really important or one thing I would love to
Speaker 1: see from you guys, is also putting forth, how can
Speaker 1: we make changes and really making it about the American
Speaker 1: because you know, I think sometimes these committees and you know,
Speaker 1: these hearings and it's explosive, and it could end up
Speaker 1: looking very like a show, you know, and produced. And
Speaker 1: I think the American people would love to know that
Speaker 1: this is in their interests. And also, how can we
Speaker 1: make changes? You know, what are the recommendations, what are
Speaker 1: you know, what are tried and true things that we
Speaker 1: can do, and actual reforms in a real way to
Speaker 1: make government work for us, we the people. I agree
Speaker 1: with that totally, and I already have some ideas on
Speaker 1: the cable for my consideration as we work through this.
Speaker 1: For example, the you know, people saying some I think
Speaker 1: disturbing things in the January six prosecutions. I think the
Speaker 1: pre trial detention law needs to be re examined and
Speaker 1: perhaps amended. I think the FBI's you know, since nine eleven,
Speaker 1: it has been centralized and work turned much more into
Speaker 1: an intelligence agency itself. Maybe the FBI needs to be
Speaker 1: split into some separate functions. The separate functions ought to
Speaker 1: be split into separate agencies. Maybe we ought to return
Speaker 1: to an FBI it was more decentralized that it depended
Speaker 1: for a decision making more on the field offices special
Speaker 1: agents in charge rather than the seventh floor in Washington.
Speaker 1: I think there are a variety of reforms like that
Speaker 1: that ought to be considered. We need to be very
Speaker 1: judicious about whether we reauthorize FISA, because we know that
Speaker 1: the procedural protections that are designed to protect Americans rights
Speaker 1: have been violated time and time and time again. And
Speaker 1: it's not even in dispute. I mean, the Thighs a
Speaker 1: Chord itself has detailed how that has occurred. So has
Speaker 1: the Inspector General. So I agree with you. I don't
Speaker 1: think now. I will say one other thing. Sometimes some
Speaker 1: of the reforms Congress is engaged in, including itself the
Speaker 1: creation of the Intel committees in Washington, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that led a greater oversight and greater control of of intel.
Speaker 1: So we ought to approach it with a with a
Speaker 1: humble and u humble perspective, recognizing that many times government
Speaker 1: legislates more and protects people less despite their best efforts.
Speaker 1: That's a good point and a and a worthy point.
Speaker 1: You know, and you talk about the need for decentralization,
Speaker 1: I mean you just look back on our founding fathers
Speaker 1: and our founding generation and how they saw the importance
Speaker 1: of decentralization. And you look at how centralized and vast
Speaker 1: and big our federal government is now, and it's boy
Speaker 1: where they right. You know, it's like we got to
Speaker 1: get back to, you know, somehow fighting a way to
Speaker 1: clar ourselves back to you know, a more decentralized government.
Speaker 1: And and you know in any way that we can. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to get your take real quick
Speaker 1: before we go, because I know you're a busy guy. Um,
Speaker 1: what do you make of the evolutions that your colleague
Speaker 1: got him? Schiff had a role in the censorship of
Speaker 1: American citizens with with Twitter. Apparently his his staff, his team.
Speaker 1: They quite often went to Twitter and asked them to
Speaker 1: take down tweets they did not like. I can't say
Speaker 1: enough bad about Adam Schiff based on everything I've seen
Speaker 1: before and since coming to Congress. Um, but I think
Speaker 1: what you know, the specific thing to which you refer
Speaker 1: in which he's uh talking about taking Paul Sperry, an
Speaker 1: investigative reporter, off off the Twitter. In fact, about six
Speaker 1: months later that happened to Paul. He eventually has been
Speaker 1: now under Elon Musk restored. Um it is look at
Speaker 1: that epitomizes I think, unfortunately the left today, at one point,
Speaker 1: at least much of my life, I always understood, you know,
Speaker 1: war in court and everything. The liberals, the left of
Speaker 1: the country, we're the ones who wanted to disposedly open
Speaker 1: up and give him maximum for action individual rights. Understand
Speaker 1: that that time has passed. The left is authoritarian and
Speaker 1: they seek to use control or developed control by any
Speaker 1: means necessary. And Adam Ship is the worst of the worst.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that Kevin McCarthy said he is not going
Speaker 1: to be serving on INTEL because he has repeatedly used
Speaker 1: that perch to lie to the American people. UM. I
Speaker 1: think we've got to be tough enough to face down
Speaker 1: enemies like that, uh and and and to not lett
Speaker 1: them continue to continue to roll over the American people. Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: before we go, is there anything you'd like to leave
Speaker 1: the audience with? You know, I would say that I
Speaker 1: think the American people are way ahead of Congress in many,
Speaker 1: many ways. My impression has been and surprisingly really at times,
Speaker 1: that the American people fully know the score. Many of
Speaker 1: them have an impulse to say they just don't believe
Speaker 1: in anybody anymore. They don't anybody's gonna do anything. Don't
Speaker 1: give up hope. I'd say that above all, keep hope,
Speaker 1: keep faith in the Lord as your guide post, but
Speaker 1: continue to work hard for the improvement of the country,
Speaker 1: and to count on the fact that there are people
Speaker 1: trying to do that. You're one of them. And um,
Speaker 1: I appreciate what you do well. You were too, sir.
Speaker 1: You're a good man, and I am so glad that
Speaker 1: we people like you in Washington, d C. Fighting for
Speaker 1: us and standing up for this country. So thank you
Speaker 1: so much for what you do, and thank you so
Speaker 1: much for giving us your time. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Glad to be with you. That was Congressman Dan Bishop
Speaker 1: of North Carolina, fighting for you, fighting for a country.
Speaker 1: Truly a good man. We are very lucky to have
Speaker 1: him in Congress. I want to thank you guys at
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