Speaker 1: Well, we have a grocery list signed by President Polk
Speaker 1: for thirty dollars. If you're interested, it's.
Speaker 2: One more thing. Oh boy, that's funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some auctions about to go on later in
Speaker 1: June for some unbelievable Lincoln related memorabilia for many millions
Speaker 1: of dollars.
Speaker 2: We have spirow Arew's dry cleaning ticket.
Speaker 1: You have any interest in that? No initial d tip amount.
Speaker 1: You see the S and the A. Yeah, so rare
Speaker 1: copies of both the Emancipation Proclamation and the Thirteenth Amendment
Speaker 1: are going to be auctioned off in Softab's upcoming books
Speaker 1: and manuscripscripts sale in New York City.
Speaker 2: How many times I've been in these stores. They're usually
Speaker 2: in Vegas, one of your froncy casinos or where they
Speaker 2: sell memorabilia, whether it's sports, memorabilian music, or you know,
Speaker 2: politics or whatever, and they have a really it's usually
Speaker 2: a cool picture and a really fancy frame, and then
Speaker 2: what you're paying for is the little signature on something,
Speaker 2: a letter or whatever. But I've come close to buying
Speaker 2: them many times. If I never had, I never have,
Speaker 2: mostly because I don't have the slightest idea if the price.
Speaker 1: Is raised more not well, they almost caught me once
Speaker 1: or twice. Two authorities believe alcohol was involved, but they didn't.
Speaker 1: And and it's usually for the same reason. I end
Speaker 1: up thinking, all right, what would I do with this?
Speaker 2: Who would I show it?
Speaker 1: To?
Speaker 2: Stick it under your pillow, sleep with your head on
Speaker 2: it every night?
Speaker 1: Well? And how much you know, like after a year,
Speaker 1: how much joy would it bring me to have?
Speaker 2: Or is it just an investment? I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2: I would I never looked at it as an investment.
Speaker 2: It's always the coolness of it. But right right, how
Speaker 2: would it continue to be cool if I had? Okay,
Speaker 2: I got a signed copy of the Gettysburg address by
Speaker 2: Abrad Lincoln. That's a good one that I would get.
Speaker 2: Would I enjoy looking at that every day, hanging on
Speaker 2: my well forever? Or at some point is the phone
Speaker 2: worn off? I don't know. My friends and.
Speaker 1: Acquaintances are history freaks enough that that would be really cool.
Speaker 1: But then, because I try not to be the slave
Speaker 1: to my more base urges, I find myself thinking, okay,
Speaker 1: so I'd be getting it to make myself look cool,
Speaker 1: And is that really a healthy use of time money
Speaker 1: and you know that's a good one. I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: and so I always end up in the same place.
Speaker 1: Although I will tell you so.
Speaker 2: Much an extent with some stuff, it's just one degree
Speaker 2: removed from just showing somebody your bank statement. Is that
Speaker 2: much money I have in my account? I mean, because
Speaker 2: the point is this was expensive and I haven't Yeah,
Speaker 2: well yeah, partly, Yeah, you're not wrong. I've mentioned several
Speaker 2: times that the one thing I've lusted after for years
Speaker 2: and have really gone back and worth on spending the
Speaker 2: money for is a first edition of Dickens A Christmas Carol.
Speaker 2: And because they're available and they're not so prohibitively expensive
Speaker 2: as to be insane, it's not like buying a copy
Speaker 2: of would you say the Gettysburg Address would be. But
Speaker 2: my my beloved daughter Delaney, when she was in England,
Speaker 2: she went to the Dickens Museum and got me a
Speaker 2: reproduction of the first edition of A Christmas Carol with
Speaker 2: all the original art and stuff like that was absolutely
Speaker 2: lovely gift and very cool. When I read A Christmas
Speaker 2: Carol this Christmas time, as I do every single year,
Speaker 2: I will be reading it from that edition, which I'm
Speaker 2: excited about. But anyway, so you've got rare copies of
Speaker 2: both the CHRISTI right, So is that is that the
Speaker 2: one where.
Speaker 1: The writing the fucking title.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the one where the burglars break into the
Speaker 2: house and the kids parents had gone on vacation.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is exactly. And they said the kid sets
Speaker 1: up various booby traps. And I've never actually read to
Speaker 1: the end, but yeah, that's my understanding of it.
Speaker 2: Sorry, too funny not to go along with.
Speaker 1: So anyway, you got the the EP and the thirteenth
Speaker 1: Amendment on sale in June twenty six. The eighteen sixty
Speaker 1: three Probably Proclamation, was originally signed by Lincoln, issued during
Speaker 1: the Civil War, declared all enslaved people in Confederate States
Speaker 1: would be free. The copy, which was signed a year later,
Speaker 1: is estimating to sell for at least three million dollars.
Speaker 1: The handwritten Amendment he signed on vellum in eighteen sixty five,
Speaker 1: ending slavery nationwide, is expected to sell for at least
Speaker 1: eight million dollars price that would triple its auction record,
Speaker 1: and the two single sheet papers represent the price priciest
Speaker 1: examples of each document to enter the marketplace and should
Speaker 1: serve as a major test of collectors' appetites for historic
Speaker 1: American artifacts, and they actually get into the market for
Speaker 1: this sort of thing, which I found pretty interesting. The
Speaker 1: overall art market is in a slump, but this category
Speaker 1: has enjoyed an influx of gen X and millennial bidders
Speaker 1: ever since. A copy of the Constitution sold a billionaire
Speaker 1: Ken Griffin for forty three point two million dollars in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. Griffin famously outbit a consortium of cryptocurrency
Speaker 1: investors to win it.
Speaker 2: I have no idea how many original copies of the
Speaker 2: Constitution there are. Are there six or sixty, Probably closer
Speaker 2: to six than sixty because you had to handle the hold.
Speaker 1: They were originally like thirty two. Assume if these numbers
Speaker 1: are wrong, and they're far fewer left.
Speaker 3: Now Katie, there are only thirteen known surviving original copies.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, Yeah.
Speaker 1: So aficionados are also getting more enthusiastic as we approach
Speaker 1: our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. But Lincoln is super
Speaker 1: super hot within the pantheon of historic signatures. Demand has
Speaker 1: fallen off in the past decade for President Thomas Jefferson
Speaker 1: and Robert E. Lee, for instance, and remained steady for
Speaker 1: George Washington and Ben Franklin. Something from doctor Franklin would
Speaker 1: be very very cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't be a guy who's got to sign
Speaker 2: Robert a lease something hanging on your wall anymore.
Speaker 1: Well, not north of Kentucky anyway. Lincoln has proved to
Speaker 1: be the most coveted name in the American rare documents arena.
Speaker 2: Lincoln Reign Supreme.
Speaker 1: Said this authority from Sothabes. The record so far for
Speaker 1: any Lincoln related document is a three point eight million
Speaker 1: dollar copy of the Emancipation Proclamation sold to an anonymous
Speaker 1: guy in twenty ten. That, oh man, it stood out
Speaker 1: in part because it also belonged to Robert F. Kennedy Senior,
Speaker 1: who bought it in early nineteen sixty four for ninety
Speaker 1: five hundred bucks when he was Attorney General. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: now three point eight million.
Speaker 2: Don't you have a guitar pick from somebody famous or something?
Speaker 2: Keith Richards Keith Richards guitar pack.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also have Jimmy Page's cigarette, but which I
Speaker 1: actually grabbed off the front of the stage.
Speaker 2: And where do you keep these artifacts? They're in your
Speaker 2: pocket right now?
Speaker 1: This pocket well, right, they're in a little box in
Speaker 1: my music room in my house.
Speaker 2: How often do you show them to people? This gets
Speaker 2: to our earlier discussion. How often do you open them up?
Speaker 2: And look at him? Look at that guitar pick. I'll
Speaker 2: be damned, it's this opener.
Speaker 1: I think I've shown the guitar pick once or twice
Speaker 1: the guitar players in the I forgot I had the
Speaker 1: Jimmy Page cigarette button until we just talked about it now.
Speaker 1: So it's been twenty years since I've shown it to anybody.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're not getting that much enjoyment out of it.
Speaker 1: I'm really not. Of course, Let's keep in mind what
Speaker 1: I paid for both of them, nothing and nothing true.
Speaker 1: Uh so interesting. Well, here's some more interesting stuff. The
Speaker 1: upcoming version of the proclamation has a storied history of
Speaker 1: its own. This copy. Lincoln was already embroiled in the
Speaker 1: Civil War when he signed the original freeing enslaved People
Speaker 1: on jan one, eighteen sixty three. Great quote from Lincoln
Speaker 1: at the time quote, I never in my life felt
Speaker 1: more certain that I was doing right than I do
Speaker 1: in signing this paper. Lincoln and Secretary of State William
Speaker 1: Seword later carved up and mortally wounded by the assassin
Speaker 1: team that killed Lincoln later signed an additional forty eight
Speaker 1: folio broadsides that were sold for ten dollars apiece to
Speaker 1: raise funds for the US Sanitary Commission, a private release
Speaker 1: relief agency that helped wounded Union soldiers in their families.
Speaker 1: So they signed forty eight more of them and sold
Speaker 1: them for ten bucks apiece. Lincoln's original handwritten, written manuscript
Speaker 1: of the proclamation was lost in the eighteen seventy one
Speaker 1: Chicago fire. Oh wow, so the printed copies have become very,
Speaker 1: very coveted. Only twenty seven are known to survive. Eighteen
Speaker 1: to witch are now tucked away in institutions, and nine
Speaker 1: are on the loose. They're privately owned and occasionally come
Speaker 1: up for sale.
Speaker 2: If you're really famous, so many of your things could
Speaker 2: be something that they could be documented. I'm surprised that.
Speaker 2: I mean, everything Lincoln had or touched it could be
Speaker 2: worth quite a bit of money. His socks, his pants,
Speaker 2: his hat, Yeah, his chair is just everything.
Speaker 1: Well and famously, back in the day, people would write
Speaker 1: letters to Lincoln or Washington or whomever and ask for
Speaker 1: a lock of their hair, and they would and they
Speaker 1: would accommodate people. If they wrote a nice letter, they
Speaker 1: would send them a lock of their hair. It was
Speaker 1: really common, and so once in a great while you'll
Speaker 1: see what is allegedly Lincoln's hair come up procus. I
Speaker 1: remember I was talking about that a few years ago
Speaker 1: that I really wanted to buy some Lincoln's.
Speaker 2: Hair, Oh, Jeeth, And what would you like? Taped it
Speaker 2: to your head and warning around.
Speaker 1: Or showing it to friends together with Jimmy Page's cigarette,
Speaker 1: but both of which would have to be DNA tested
Speaker 1: for authenticity. Although I'm telling you I saw Jimmy smoke
Speaker 1: the thing, throw down the cigarette butts, and I just
Speaker 1: grab one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the provenance in all of these things is difficult.
Speaker 2: Although that means word it came from actually and being
Speaker 2: able to document it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But if but if you believe it it's true, right,
Speaker 2: doesn't even make any difference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. I get all hot to trot thinking
Speaker 1: about this stuff, like something really cool from Ben Franklin.
Speaker 1: Then I always come back to where we started this discussion.
Speaker 1: All right, what would I do with it? You know what?
Speaker 1: It's partly an expression of my admiration and love for
Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln, for instance, I would do that. But then okay, then,
Speaker 1: but what good does it do me unless I tell people,
Speaker 1: and then it's a showing off thing. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm conflicted. I'm very conflicted.
Speaker 2: I would wear Lincoln socks every day if I had them.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're probably in wearing shape at this point.
Speaker 1: I remember they sold square of the bloody pillow case, right,
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly. At one point.
Speaker 2: There was some info about that. I was just at
Speaker 2: Ford's Theater not that long ago, all right, with my kids,
Speaker 2: and there was some info in there. Actually the house
Speaker 2: across the street, which I don't think i'd ever been
Speaker 2: in before, the house across the street where he actually died.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It's Katie. It is a very small room.
Speaker 1: It's like under the level of the street. What do
Speaker 1: you call that with like there's a skylighting window, as
Speaker 1: I recall, But it was very dismal and small and
Speaker 1: terrible and just kind of adds to the feeling of
Speaker 1: what a miserable waste assassination of Lincoln was.
Speaker 2: Wow. Well, and the weird stuff on that thing like that,
Speaker 2: you know, a murder like a week later, it's pretty
Speaker 2: weird and disgusting to be in the room where somebody
Speaker 2: was killed or died. But you wait long enough and
Speaker 2: it's you know, everybody's just chattering and taking pictures and talking.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, has there been I'm sure there have been
Speaker 1: multiple great books written about the amount of human suffering
Speaker 1: that was caused by the assassination of Lincoln because he
Speaker 1: couldn't oversee the early days of reconstruction established his policies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would read that while I was wearing Lincoln socks.
Speaker 2: That's what I would do if I had them.
Speaker 1: You know, is there John Wilkes Booth memorabilia. No, you
Speaker 1: can get probably not.
Speaker 2: That wouldn't be cool.
Speaker 1: I would pee on it every day or something, some
Speaker 1: expression of hatred.
Speaker 2: That's how I that would be normal.
Speaker 1: Pe on it. I'd tape on Lincoln's air onto my
Speaker 1: head and take my vengeance every day.
Speaker 2: You can get Lincoln air for me, can't No, John
Speaker 2: Wilkes Booth, you can get his hair. Really, what's I
Speaker 2: go for?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: Thirty one thousand dollars and his wanted poster is also
Speaker 3: going for twenty three thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: They must be able to They must have a really
Speaker 2: good way to authenticate that hair for it to go
Speaker 2: for that much money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the poster for twenty three kut put in a
Speaker 1: bid for me.
Speaker 2: You're considering it, I'm gonna buy.
Speaker 1: Then I'll pay it back. Don'try. I'm good, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: cool front me what it?
Speaker 2: Just still pay it anytime. If you come up short,
Speaker 2: you'll sell off your cigarette button. Right. Well, I guess
Speaker 2: that's it.