1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Coming to you from fabulous Las Vegas. The right side 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: is the winning side. The late move is the correct move. 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: Sports betting capital of the world. We all know when 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: a sharp like me weighs in the lines move, it's 5 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: a party for your ears. This is the buffet with 6 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: Chad and Scooch. I want to buy that guy a buffet. Hello, 7 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: and welcome to the Buffet with Chad and Scooch. Scooch 8 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: is back on the show after many many weeks off, 9 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: basically because, like you know, if he takes a summer off, 10 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: he doesn't really do anything. He just lives in his 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: Italian villa and relaxes, and everybody else does the work 12 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: and Scooch just smokes his cigars and drinks his sport 13 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: and watches movies and his massive court yard in the 14 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: center of his house. But today he's gonna join me. Scooch, 15 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: as everybody knows, is the bookmaker for the Orleans and 16 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: all the Boyd gaming books in the state of Nevada. 17 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: Later on in the show, Summer League is a massive, 18 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 1: massive topic this year in sports. I would say after 19 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: the World Cup, people are talking more about Summer League 20 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,919 Speaker 1: as it comes out of free agency than they are 21 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: talking about Major League Baseball or anything else. Certainly we're 22 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: seeing that at UM at the Action Network this year, 23 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: like the amount of attention people are paying a summer 24 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: league from a betting perspective, just from a traffic perspective, 25 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: from a watching it, excitement about the players. Um, that's 26 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: been great. So later on in the show, Tom Tolbert, 27 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: longtime NBA player, longtime friend of the podcast, long time 28 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: better host of his own afternoon radio show on K 29 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: and b R in San Francisco, He's gonna join. We're 30 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,919 Speaker 1: gonna talk about how you manage to love the NBA 31 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: and bet on Summer League and what does it mean 32 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: for the world when that's happening, Because we love it. 33 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: It's been fantastic, fantastic. Bob Scucci, Hey, you know, I 34 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: wish I could say that I've been, you know, enjoying 35 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: this summer, you know, smoking my cigars and drinking my 36 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: ports and everything. This this summer has been one of 37 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: the busiest we've ever had. And with the Supreme Court 38 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: ruling uh a couple of months ago, so uh, it's 39 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: anything but relaxing this this year. What does it mean 40 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: for you? What have you been doing traveling around to 41 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: a lot of our jurisdictions in in preparation for um 42 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: uh sports wagering in other states, and meeting with regulators 43 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,119 Speaker 1: and meeting with a lot of our folks that run 44 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 1: the properties in in our other states, and UH kind 45 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: of preparing the roadmap and UH working with uh different 46 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: systems that that can apply to different states and different structures. 47 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: So it's been a whole new addition to UH, you know, 48 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:14,839 Speaker 1: my normal job description, which states is board gaming going 49 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: to be able to activate sports betting in come to far? 50 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: What we hope to have Mississippi uh pretty shortly, definitely 51 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: before football season. So I would say I would say 52 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: Mississippi is the first one to go. Some people have 53 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: said Mississippi is going to be the sports betting capital 54 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: of the country at some point in the near future. 55 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: What is your perception? What is your comment on that? 56 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: Mr Scucci? I still the Vegas is still going to 57 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: be the capital. Mississippi is going to be a nice market, uh, 58 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: especially down south in that Biloxi region. Uh So it's 59 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: gonna be a real, real, nice, strong market. But I 60 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: still Vegas is going to remain the capital. Look at you, 61 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: you are defending your turf that damn right. What would 62 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: you say right now? What would you say? I want 63 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: to talk about summer leagues. I'm just fascinated by summer 64 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 1: league and you guys are taking action on this right now. 65 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: UM name for me in order of action so far, 66 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: this summer Summer League, World Cup, MLB, Golf, Tennis in 67 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: in order. So it's it's it's a little unfair. MLB 68 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: is still tops only because there are so many games. 69 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: So you know, if you're just looking at overall handled 70 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: then obviously, uh, MLB will be at the top. But 71 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: World Cup is just right there. And just think that 72 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: there's just a few games compared to the entire Major 73 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: League Baseball schedule, just those few games can rival what 74 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: we do. Um you know the higher day with with 75 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: Major League Baseball. So World World Cup is huge. Uh 76 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: And this summer it's just been fantastic the action that 77 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: we've had, a lot of the games went our way. 78 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: We got we got a lot of draws after ninety 79 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: after regulations, so the draws are always good for us. 80 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: Uh So we we got a lot of those. UM. 81 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: So World Cup has just been tremendous and uh, I 82 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: would put it up right on par with MLB. Um, 83 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: next I would probably say is I'll we'll put Summer 84 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: League right behind that, pretty pretty close with with golf 85 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: and tennis. But but Summer League is it's popular. I mean, 86 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: it's something pretty new for for the betters in the summer. 87 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: I mean just a few years ago we didn't even 88 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: book it. So, um, it's just another added item to 89 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: the vast sports betting menu that we all have. Now 90 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: you might say you've added it to the buffet very good. Yeah, yeah, 91 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: we added it right to the end of the line there. 92 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: Speaking of which, go to the buffet page and iTunes 93 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: rate the podcast, review the podcast, send us your comments. Um, 94 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: I want you to unsubscribe to this podcast, and then 95 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: I want you to resubscribe to this podcast, because that 96 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: is what matters most in the iTunes charts. Scooch, let 97 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: me run a scenario by you. Okay, you ready? Yeah. 98 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: I have two sons, fourteen and eleven, neither of whom 99 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: like sports very much at all. But the eleven year old, 100 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: this uh, this summer, for some reason, has gotten into 101 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: the World Cup and he's been wanting to watch it, 102 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: and he's been wanting to talk about it, and so 103 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: we watched Uh England UM beat Sweden last weekend. He 104 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: was freaking out. Thought it was the greatest thing in 105 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: the world. Yesterday he we're recording this on on Wednesday 106 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: afternoon before England plays. Great show. Uh. And yesterday we 107 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: were texting each other the whole time I was at 108 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: work about France and Belgium. We were on Belgium the 109 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: night before that match. I said to him, do you 110 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: want to make a bet on this match? And he's like, okay. 111 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: So I went to my UH bookmaking app and I 112 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: put in a fifty dollar bet on France. I think 113 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: they were like plus one ten or something to be Belgium. 114 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: We won. So yesterday, Uh, last night I'm in the city. 115 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: I'm not at home this week. I'm texting with my son. 116 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,239 Speaker 1: I'm like, how great was that match? And I wrote, 117 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: we won, We're going to the finals, Viva le France, 118 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: And all he texted back was we won fifty bucks. Well, 119 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: you're molding him really young to be a sports better orange. 120 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: I thought it was very on brand, right, And so 121 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: then this morning I'm in the city, I face time him. 122 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: We're talking and I say to him, uh, we got 123 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: England and um Croatia today. What do you think? He goes, well, 124 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: I really want England to win, but Croatia beat the 125 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: rigged Russians. Oh my god, Like, who is this kid? 126 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: He's eleven years old? Where does he get like that? 127 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: Why is he so street savvy all of a sudden? 128 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: So I say to him, do you want to bet? 129 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: And he goes yeah, But I think we should bet less. 130 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking to myself, this kid is a bank 131 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: role management natural. He wants to keep some He's like, 132 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: he doesn't feel that good about it. He doesn't feel 133 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: as good about this as he did about France Belgium. 134 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: We both believe France is going to win the World Cup. 135 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: I actually said it on Action network dot com before 136 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: the tournament began, that I believe France would win the 137 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: World Cup. So I'm looking a little bit like a 138 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: genius right now. But I have two questions for you. One, 139 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: is my kid not a genius? He's a natural. Two 140 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: do you think I'm making a mistake by uh indoctrinating 141 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: him so early? What are the pitfalls? What are the benefits? Well, 142 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: the benefits is that he's uh, he's going to be 143 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: well versed. Uh, you know, he's gonna have that streets 144 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: sense that streets smarts, uh, from a from an early age. 145 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: A lot of people go their whole lives and never 146 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: really acquire that. So that's the benefit. The drawback is 147 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: is he may not be able to contain it at 148 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: some point in his life, and it may it consumes 149 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: some people. And you know that could be good or bad. 150 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: But uh, you know, I I was indoctrinated at a 151 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: young age myself, and I think it worked out. You're 152 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: living in the life of luxury, so it has worked out. 153 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: But I do worry about it a little bit. Like 154 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: I agree. I like I like the idea that my 155 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: kid is learning early about sort of risk and analysis 156 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: and um, sort of those particular things, right, Like that's 157 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: what life is. Life is about making calculated risks in 158 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: every decision, uh that you make. And so I like 159 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: the idea that we're talking about it and then he 160 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: gets it. And I like that he immediately got like, 161 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: we don't feel as good about England and Croatia as 162 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: we did about France and Belgium. So I like that 163 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: he instinctively knew we were going to bet less. He's not, 164 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: He's not looking to throw it all back. I like. 165 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: I like that he's not like, he's not chasing, he's 166 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: not thinking like I'm all in, Um, well, you have 167 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: to wait till you have to wait till he loses though, 168 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: to see if he's a chaser. Right, you're you're right? 169 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: So um But should I even have been allowing him 170 00:10:55,160 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: to do this? Oh? Sure? Sure? I mean, you know 171 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: you're not gonna You're not gonna turn him into uh, 172 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: you know, a compulsive gambler. I don't think, I mean, 173 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: but but I think it's exciting to have that element 174 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: UH involved in the sport as I mean, we've all 175 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: seen how having something at stake in the game draws 176 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: you closer to to the match and gives it that 177 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: extra added interest. I mean, there's something about the money 178 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: element that adds a whole new dimension. You know. I'm 179 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: looking back back on on Saturday's game between between Russia 180 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: and Croatia. Everybody had UH Russia in that match and 181 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: the draw was going to be real big for the house, 182 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: and we have a separate bet on who's the team 183 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: to advance, but you know the main bet that the 184 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: most money that everybody in the room bet was on Russia. 185 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: So that the yelling and the screaming, the crowd is roaring, uh, 186 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: you know, on on on every kind of movement, and 187 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: at the end of regulation when it was tied, there 188 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: was the entire room deflated and it really didn't matter. 189 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: After that, the yelling and the screaming stopped, and when 190 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: Croatia finally UH wanted on the on penalty kicks, there 191 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: was no roar of the crowd. Everything died down because 192 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: all the money was already lost at that point, So 193 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: you knew it wasn't so much that people were just 194 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: so into Russia and Croatia as as a sporting event. 195 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,599 Speaker 1: They wanted to win money on that match and on 196 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: and once the money was lost, it's like, all right, 197 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: we'll finish watching this thing, but you know, we already 198 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: lost our money, so it has an element to it. 199 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: I get it. I totally get it. And look like, 200 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: obviously everyone loves their kids, and mine are fantastic, but 201 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: they have never been into anything I'm into, Like every 202 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: weekend when kids like parents are watching UH football with 203 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: their kids, they're going to football games with their kids, 204 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: like my kids are at the age now and a 205 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: lot of my friends and their kids are at the 206 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: age where they take him away for weekends, Like they'll 207 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: go to Chicago for the weekend and they do a 208 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: day at Wrigley, a day at Soldier Field, like there, 209 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: you know sports fans. My kids just like aren't into it, ironically, 210 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: given what I've done with my life. Um, and so 211 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: the fact he was into it, I kind of feel 212 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: like I gotta go all in because this is a 213 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: great way. Like he and I are connecting on this. 214 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: It's not anything that his brothers into, it's not anything 215 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: that my wife is into, and so I want to 216 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: encourage it only because it's fun and it's a great conversation. 217 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: I'm a little worried that. Like when I was excited 218 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: just because we both wanted France to win and they won, 219 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: his first response was a very dry, on emotional we 220 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: won fifty bucks? How old is he? Okay? My my 221 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: sins on this, it's it's okay right now. But if 222 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 1: you see him coming home with a a bracket or 223 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: a super Bowl chart where he's collecting money from his 224 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: classmates running a pool, I think you got to start worrying. 225 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: What if I see him coming home and like he's 226 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: he's riding a tripped out tutor and his and his 227 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: like drenched in gold chains. Yeah, I definitely start to 228 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: worry because he's making and like junior high. Yeah yeah, 229 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: I mean I get so. I mean you're looking at 230 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: it from a father's point of view. I think there's 231 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: a sense of pride that you've connected with him on 232 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: something that you're into that he's seems to have an 233 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: interest on. So you're you're connecting on a father's son 234 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: level where maybe you need to be just pay attention 235 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: as to some of the the pitfalls that may come 236 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: along with that. I mean, I gotta be on this 237 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: guy like a hawk now. Yeah, yeah, I'd start watching, 238 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, all of a sudden, like if you 239 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: home one if he comes home one day and says, 240 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: you know, I can't believe the Lakers are only laying 241 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: two and a half against the Cavaliers and even though 242 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: they have Lebron, and then you need to start worrying. 243 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? I'm worried he's gonna be like dad, 244 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: I got a dime on Anthony to be tied like 245 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: the foot after school of the day. Yeah, Okay, That's 246 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: what I'm worried about. Like all of a sudden you 247 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: set in bitcoin because like I can, that would be funny. Yah. Um, 248 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: So I'm excited about today's game. Well, obviously we're recording 249 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: this before the game. It will be out after and 250 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: so everyone will know at this point whether or not, 251 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: uh the Millman kitty has increased, And if my boy 252 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: is now all of a sudden just like on a 253 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: hot streak that I've never been on in my life, 254 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: and if he is turning into a full on degenerate 255 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: gambler that I have influenced and now sent him down 256 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: a path to destruction, or if we're gonna find a 257 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: way to control right this narrative, this could peep people 258 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: glue to the podcast for the next generation for sure. Yeah, 259 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: at least at least for the next few years. I'm 260 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: curious myself, now, where will end up end up like 261 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: living in a in in one of those special cottages 262 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: like a lux villa at the Bellaggio. Where is he 263 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: gonna end up behind bars because he owes a few 264 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: people too much money you don't want him owen ha 265 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: ha ha. Oh my god. Here's what's frightening is that 266 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: tweeted out that little exchange this morning between me and him, 267 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: I'm getting so many likes on this, which makes me 268 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: think that basically my followers are just massive degenerates who 269 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: don't see the downside of this at all. Ye uh, 270 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: so I would say that I'm a little worried about this. 271 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: When when did your father introduce you to betting? Uh? 272 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: As as are back as I can remember. I mean, 273 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: I remember going to race tracks, uh from my earliest memories. 274 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: I mean, the smell of cigar smoke and kind of 275 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: stale tickets on the floor of a race track. It's 276 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 1: kind of ingrained in my in my memory even from 277 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: before I could I could probably even walk maybe. Um, 278 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: I remember going to any any place we went on vacation, 279 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: you know, like we'd go up to Boston from from 280 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: New Jersey, or we'd go down to Virginia. We would 281 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 1: find the local race track and we'd make that part 282 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: of the part part of the trip. So I remember, 283 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 1: I remember parley card tickets in some form, you know, 284 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 1: in grade school. Um, I remember the first bet that 285 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: I made actually was the ninth when I was a sucker, 286 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: when I was you know, nine years old, But I 287 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: made a bet on the Yankees to beat the Cincinnati Reds. 288 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: In the nineteen seventy six World Series and uh, I 289 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: went down in flames as they lost four straight. But uh, 290 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: but but yeah, who did you bet but the Yankees? 291 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: Of course I was who who did you make the 292 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: bet with? Oh? Oh no, it was some some older 293 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: kid in school that was kind of a local school bookie. 294 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: He was he was taking bets and there was lots 295 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: of Yankee fans. So this kid had a little bit 296 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:21,719 Speaker 1: of knowledge and knew that he could get a lot 297 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: of people betting the Yankees. And I want to say 298 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: it was probably even money bet that I that I took, 299 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: and I probably should have been getting like three to 300 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: one scooch. There's nothing about this story that makes me 301 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: feel good. This is this is exact path that I'm 302 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: worried I just sent my kid down. He's going to 303 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: be the guy. He's gonna be like there's like the 304 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: bookie and school who's taking advantage of all the kids 305 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: in central Connecticut who he knows are going to bet 306 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: like nothing but Patriots and Red Sox. So he's kind 307 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: of like, you know, figure the odds in his favorite Yeah, yeah, 308 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: well I could be Uh that's why, uh, I'm a 309 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: little interested myself now didn't didn't know who he had 310 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: it in them either, did I tell brand New? Yeah, 311 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: I can't wait for the finals. I'm going to double 312 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: my units on the finals. That's funny based on where 313 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: this kid has going. All right, so you think it'll 314 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: be okay? Uh? You think I just it's now one 315 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: more It's honestly, I've created a problem for myself as 316 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: a parent. One more thing. I got to manage one 317 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: more thing. I got to look out for. One more thing. 318 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: I got to be thinking about one more thing. My 319 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: wife and I have to discuss. It's like, just put 320 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: it on the checklist of like signals to look for exactly. 321 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: I've got the pamphlets on responsible gaming here in Nevada 322 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: that we you know, we hand out, so I can 323 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: send those two you'll have those on hand, you know. 324 00:19:53,800 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 1: Oh my god, we are serious trouble. H When did 325 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: you start booking summer League. I'm gonna have Tom tolbernon 326 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: uh in the second half of the show, and I 327 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: want to talk to him about summer League because that 328 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: was something that didn't even exist when he was playing 329 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: in the NBA. But as a player and as a 330 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: better I think he's going to have a really interesting 331 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: take on the value and joy of betting Summer League. 332 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: When did you start taking book on Summer League making 333 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: book on Summer League? Well, we started, uh, you know, 334 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: just a couple of years ago, booking certain games, ones 335 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: that we thought that would just have more interest, and 336 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: we didn't, and we didn't have totals on them, so 337 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: they were kind of just like uh spotty. We we 338 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: we didn't book it in full the way we do now. 339 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: Now it's just part of the regular just like it 340 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: would be regular season stuff, booking every game, every total. Um. 341 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 1: So really, uh, this, I would say last year in 342 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: almost in full force and this year in full force. 343 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: That is insane how much you are booking Summer League. 344 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: How do you make lines on it? Like? What are 345 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: you what are you thinking about for it? Honestly, it's 346 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: it's almost like like throwing darts, you know. But but 347 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: fortunately we don't see a whole lot of sharp action 348 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: in this, so it's okay if we're if we're far off, 349 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: I mean to me, it's it's almost like the w 350 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: n B A where we're really have some soft lines 351 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 1: in the w n b A. You know, we just 352 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: really can't can't get a grasp on this, and the 353 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: wise guys pick us apart on it and pick their spots. 354 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: Uh you know, obviously the advantage they have is to 355 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: pick the games that they want to bet big on. 356 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: And you know, we're putting lines on every game, and 357 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: we know that they're not real strong solid lines, so 358 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: uh well, we'll just monitor it. As long as we're 359 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: not getting a whole lot of sharp action in the 360 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: summer league, we'll just kind of roll the dice even 361 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: with some soft lines. Why can't you figure out the 362 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: w n B A Yeah, boy, it's just it's tough. 363 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: I mean, when I say we can't figure it out, 364 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: understand if we're right of the time that you know 365 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: we've got it figured out. Okay, if we got ten 366 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: games on the board and we've got nine solid lines 367 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: and one bad line, we still lose for the day 368 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: because we lose on that one game. So it's not 369 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: that we can't figure out the whole league. It's just 370 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: too many instances of one or two games where we 371 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: have a soft enough line and we don't take a 372 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: whole lot of I mean, we have some pretty low 373 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: limits and everything, but but still it's just consistent and 374 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: particularly with the over unders. I mean that that's really 375 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: where where we find ourselves in trouble. What are your 376 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: limits on w n B A like two thousand on 377 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: the size, thousands on the totals. What are your limits 378 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: on Summer League about the same two thousands on the sides, 379 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: thousands on the totals. And are you doing any uh 380 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: in game for Summer League? In game for w n 381 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: B A. Oh my god, you're killing me real, like 382 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: we don't have enough work. Seriously, listen, Scooch, the world's changing, man. Okay, 383 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: we got eleven year olds out there who are studying 384 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: bankroll management it and are like figuring out the best 385 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: way to make units on the World Cup. Okay, you 386 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 1: got it ready to serve an audience. Yeah, well, we're 387 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: working on automation, so that's going to have to be 388 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: something that if we can, if we can get that automated, 389 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: we'll we'll do that in game. Basically, what you're saying 390 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: is you're working on getting yourself right out of the 391 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: job automated. Yeah, that's what That's what wrote me. Robot Scooch, 392 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 1: Android Scooch, Robo Scooch, Oh my god. They will do 393 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: nothing but sit in your house, smoke your cigars, and 394 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: like go to the country club on the lake. That's 395 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: what it will be exactly, travel around in the Boyd 396 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: private jet to all the other places like Mississippi and 397 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: god knows where, making sure all your minions are doing 398 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: their job and working really hard. Ah well, I wish 399 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: it was always on the private plane where we a 400 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: couple a few weeks ago, we had to take a 401 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: couple of small planes to jump back and forth between 402 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: locations that were about three or four hours apart. And 403 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: I'm down there on the runway in Mississippi and it 404 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: was about a hundred degrees and we're walking to the 405 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: plane and I just see the plane in the middle 406 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: of the runway and I know it's smoking hot. So 407 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: I'm asking the pilot. I was like, how hot is 408 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: it going to be in that plane? He said, yeah, 409 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,959 Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be pretty warm. And the flight we 410 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: were taking was about an hour and I said, do 411 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: you have air conditioning on that thing? He said he said, yeah, 412 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: but it's gonna take a little while to cool down. 413 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: And I said, how long is a while? He said 414 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: about forty five minutes. So I am on this stiflingly 415 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: hot plane. Uh yeah, and then you know it got 416 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: the suit and tie on and everything, so it's not 417 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: always comfortable. My man. I am so tired of you 418 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: complaining about your high class problems. Yeah. I am going 419 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: to definitely transition into one more topic, uh that I'm 420 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: also tired of, which is bookmakers just flat out taking 421 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: advantage of betters by posting season win totals on the 422 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,959 Speaker 1: Wakers that are over fifty games. You should have you 423 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: posted season win totals on the Lakers yet, No, no, 424 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: you're gonna post over, aren't you. Yeah? Yeah, for sure. 425 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: You should be ashamed of yourself because why because that 426 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: is so inflated. It's disgusting inflated. Yeah, they're not going 427 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: to win fifty games. Well, you see here, the premise 428 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: of what we do is not to predict how the 429 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: outcome of the actual match. It's to predict where the 430 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: money is gonna come. So where do you think the 431 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: money's the money is going to come? On the over? 432 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: But I think you are you are taking advantage of 433 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: the public by setting it at fifty two fifty three 434 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: instead of setting it at like well, it's like me 435 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: betting the Yankees and getting even money when I should 436 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: have gotten three to one. I might have to I 437 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: might have to have Owen Norman come out then, you know, 438 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: breaking kneecaps. We we have gotten more money on the 439 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: Lakers obviously now that uh you know with Lebron, I 440 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: mean that that line we're they're down to four to one. 441 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: Now in the futures, you think that's too low or 442 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: too high. I mean I think it's I think it's 443 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: preposterously low because there's no way. I mean, look, you 444 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: can you set the line based on where the money is, 445 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: and so you've gotten a ton of money on them, 446 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: so you've had to move them down because of your liability. 447 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: But I think they're like the true number on the 448 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: Lakers are probably closer to ten to fifteen, not four 449 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: to one. But you probably moved them to six to 450 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: one when Lebron signed. We oh yeah, we moved No, 451 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: we moved him down to uh four, nine to two 452 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: when he signed, and we still got more action drove 453 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: him down to four to one. But we went from 454 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: we went down to from down to fifteen to one, 455 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: twelve to one, just on the rumors when it when 456 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: he was it was between like the Rockets and the Lakers. 457 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: So we lowered both the Rockets and the Lakers just 458 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: on the speculation that he might end up on one 459 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: of those two teams. So the value was already gone 460 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: on both those teams early on, and so we just 461 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: moved moved with the money. Since then, who do you 462 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: think has the most value right now? Um? Maybe the 463 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: I mean maybe the Sixers or the Celtics, I agree, 464 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: do you? Yeah? Yeah? Uh? Fifteen one, twelve to one? Yeah? Yeah, 465 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: I think like, look, those teams are both gonna be 466 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: really good. Uh, there's not gonna be a ton of 467 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: competition in the East. The West is going to be crazy. 468 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 1: I also feel like, um, the odds on Kyrie or 469 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: Joel Embiide two win NBA MVP, great, great value there. 470 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: They're probably both in the fifteen to one range, and um, 471 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: they're both gonna have dominant seasons as long as they're healthy. 472 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: Their teams are going to go deep into the playoffs, 473 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: if not the finals. Kyrie is going to have the 474 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: ball in his hands. He's gonna be pissed and he's 475 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: gonna feel like the Eastern Conference is mine. I mean, 476 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: he could he could blow up this year and do 477 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: a Russell Westbrook, like, you know, ten kind of guy 478 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: ten assists. Yeah, No, I agree to Owen Millman specially, 479 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: but pretty soon he's going to be glued to the 480 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: TV watching basketball next everything. He's gonna be like that, 481 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: I got a nickel. I got a nickel on Kyrie 482 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:14,959 Speaker 1: over twenty five and twelve tonight. That's hilarious, except it's 483 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: gonna be an actual nickel. It's not going to be 484 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: at least you hope it will. H Yeah. I don't 485 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: know if there's anything to come back from that. No, No, 486 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: that's it. I've shut myself into a full on depression 487 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: at this point. You can't think. You're just not now, 488 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: You're just like your mind's just like spinning with you know, 489 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: the next few years, and and and his and his 490 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: betting habits. Well, I'm just so torn because it could 491 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: bring us so much closer but could also tear us apart. 492 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: You know, I just keep thinking, I love this cartoon. 493 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: I wish I knew who who did it, and I 494 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: saw it many years ago. There's a father and he's 495 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: got his hand on his son's shoulder pads. His son 496 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: is like in football pads, and he's got his helmet 497 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: in his hand and he's all dejected, and then the 498 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: caption reads from the father talking to the son. He said, son, 499 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: it's not whether you win or lose. It's important. It's 500 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: whether you cover the spread. So I always hearkened back, 501 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: I always picture that comic strip anytime. Uh yes, I think. Um, 502 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: I feel like I've pulled my kid under the mafia 503 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: and I don't know how to get him out. Yeah, 504 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: but he wanted to be there. Yeah, alright, Scooch, listen, 505 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: I gotta get Tom Tolbert on the phone. I think 506 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: we've covered it all. We've covered whether or not my 507 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: son is degenerate. We've covered um summer me. We've covered 508 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: why you can't win at the NBA from a book 509 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: making perspect of, and we've covered the Lakers, lebron and 510 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: NBA futures. That is a full podcast for your for 511 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: your homecoming. Have you become bookmaker to the world yet, 512 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: By the way, I'm working on it. I'm working on it. Well, 513 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: it's a slow it's a slow process. But you know, 514 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: either me or Robo Scoots, one of us will get it. 515 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: Between the two of you, you guys are gonna nail 516 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: it exactly all right, Scooch, Thanks Matt talk all right, 517 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: take care all right. Next up on the Buffet Podcast, 518 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: one of my favorite people, friend of the podcast, one 519 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: of my favorite guests, longtime NBA superstar, one of the 520 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: best players in the history of Arizona basketball, post of 521 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: his own afternoon radio talk show on kN BR in 522 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: San Francisco. Mr Tom Tolbert, How are you, buddy, Dad? 523 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: What's going on? You must be Uh? Did you wake 524 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: up on the hyperboleef side of the bed this morning? No? No, no, 525 00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: this is how I think of you. I think of 526 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: you as uh as easily the the best recruit who 527 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: turned the University of Arizona basketball program around, and then 528 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: the guy who came in and really um was the 529 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: engine that ran the Warriors uh in the early nineties 530 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: during like the Mitch Richmond, Chris Mullen, UH Tim Hardaway 531 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: days like without you revolutionizes. I think the word you're 532 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: looking for, I don't know that. Like to me, the 533 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: offense and the defense we're both pivoting around your hard 534 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: nosed play and without yea that that erra doesn't exist. Yeah, 535 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: our offense and the other team's offense. That's how I 536 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: see it. Well, I'm glad. I'm I'm I'm glad. You 537 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: had some really really good alcohol back in the day. 538 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: How do you remember it? Not quite that? Uh? Well, 539 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm proud of what I was able 540 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: to accomplish. I mean I think that I was I 541 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: don't want to say I was missing piece, but I 542 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: want to say I was one of the key pieces 543 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: when I came into the junior college, transferred Arizona and 544 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: helped us get to the the Final four, and I 545 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: think we're number one most of the year that year. 546 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I think I played a pivotal role, 547 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: uh in that. And as far as ma NBA career, look, 548 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: I played seven years and I played three with the Wards, 549 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: and I bounced around a little bit. But you know, 550 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: I'm proud of that as well. You look at the 551 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: population and how many people get to play professional sports 552 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: in the world, and it's a minuscule, minuscule number. So 553 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: you know, while you know, I look at and there 554 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: was I had some games that were fun, and you 555 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: know that I look back and remember had twenty seven 556 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: against David Robinson and the Spurs and twenty four against 557 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: Elijah one of the Rockets, and some you know, I 558 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: had some games that were like, really, if I could 559 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: like to do that every game, I would have been 560 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: and then I would have been unbelievable. I couldn't do 561 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: that every game. But now to play in UH, to 562 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: play in a professional sports league, yeah, I mean it 563 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: takes a lot of work and a lot of help, 564 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm proud of that. I mean, not a 565 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: lot of people get to do it, and I get 566 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: to do it, and I get to do a sports 567 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: suck radio show based I've been stealing money for about 568 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: thirty years now. You have been stealing money and then 569 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: giving it away to bookmakers for so freaking long. It's 570 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. But you know you're right about this the 571 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: professional sports Like, um, I've had this conversation with a 572 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: lot of people, and you know, I like, I can 573 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: only put it in the context of me at the 574 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: center of the universe. So like, I played high school 575 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: basketball and then I moved to New York and I'm 576 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 1: playing in a basketball game with guys who played UH 577 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: in college at the D three level, the D one level. 578 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: And then a guy who used to work at ESPN 579 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: the magazine with me named Alan Grant, who played in 580 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: the NFL for five years. He went to Stanford. He 581 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: actually played for the Niners. You might remember him so 582 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: um he uh. And he would play and like the 583 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: level of difference between like you know, schmos like me 584 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,479 Speaker 1: who played in high school and even a D three 585 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: player in college was ginormous, Like they were just so 586 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 1: much better in every single way. And the level between 587 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: the D three and the D one guy was ridiculous. 588 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: And then there was a guy like Alan Grant who's 589 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: just a phenomenal athlete and played at a professional level. 590 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: It wasn't even the sport that he played in. You 591 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: just see, like everything moves faster, everything moves more fluid, 592 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,399 Speaker 1: everything is easier to get to that level. Even if 593 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: you are like end up being the scrub at that level, 594 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: you're still gonna be better than say, how many people 595 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: have played in the history of the n b A, 596 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, five thousand idea, But you're still gonna 597 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: be better than like the people who have attempted to 598 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: play basketball in their life. And now it's incredible. And 599 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 1: that's why it always look I used the term as well, 600 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: like this guy sucks or what's he doing? Or this 601 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: guy doesn't you know, scrub whatever something like that. But 602 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: I always use those terms as a relative term, like 603 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: you're a scrub compared to everyone else in the league, 604 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: or you're a guy that shouldn't be on the court 605 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,399 Speaker 1: compared to everyone else in the league. And I think 606 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: fans sometimes just get well so fanatical they you know, 607 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: that guy sucks, for this guy, get him out of here. 608 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 1: That they don't realize like how good everyone is that 609 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: plays professional sport. They don't realize how good you are. 610 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: Like the worst guy, as you said, is so much 611 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: better than just about everyone else. I won't say so 612 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: much better than everybody else. So there are guys that 613 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: like just missed the cuts somehow. Maybe they they aren't 614 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: in the right system, or they don't have the right 615 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: support staff and they don't quite make it. So, I mean, 616 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: there's there's some fringe people that are talented enough to 617 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: play in professional sports, but for the most part, people 618 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: have no idea, just don't have any idea. I always 619 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: wish that people could could stand in a batter's box 620 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: with the Roldest Chapman throwing the ball and just hold 621 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: the bat, don't even swing it, just throw it and 622 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: let him throw it. And just see how tough that 623 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: is to hit on her mom and our fastball. I 624 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: mean you can you can barely see it. Yeah, we'll 625 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: sit there and yell the guy, you know, for not 626 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: getting the guy home from third base with less than 627 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: two outs, and Chapman throws the ball right down the middle, like, 628 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: how could you not hit that? What they'll dude, it's 629 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: going on hundred miles an hour now, expectation they're different 630 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: because you're a professional athlete. But still, I mean you 631 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: watch it on TV and it all becomes so easy. 632 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: How could you not see that open guy cutting? How 633 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: could you not hit that shot? How could you not 634 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: hit that guy wide open the flat? If people don't 635 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,439 Speaker 1: understand like how quick things move, and the greatest ones 636 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: that play all right, they have the ability to slow 637 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: the gauges all slows down for him because of their 638 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: work ethic and their natural ability and just their intelligence. 639 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: The game slows down. And when I had my good games, 640 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: and I had good you know, I had good stretches. 641 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: When I was playing, the game was slow. You know, 642 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: you just need to play. Was there? You knew it? 643 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: You caught the ball? Should I shoot it? Should I 644 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: pass it? If I passed it where I passed it 645 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: to should I dribble it, then pass it, then shoot it. 646 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: I mean everything just kind of like laid out before. 647 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, this is easy, and then when you're struggling, 648 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: it's like playing in a tornado though. I mean, things 649 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: are just whizz and by you, and it's like you 650 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: seem like you make the wrong decision every single time, 651 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: and you're you're questioning yourself and it's just it could 652 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: be a mess. And great players don't deal with that 653 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: very often. Put the for a lot of us out there, 654 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: they're played boy that game. When it speeds up, you 655 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: just want to hit the brakes and get off the ride. 656 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: Who is the best athlete you played with? Kenny Lofton 657 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 1: Kenny Lofton, best athlete I played with? It was our 658 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: point guard Arizona, the center field. Yeah, I think it 659 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: was fifteen years and then he played for the He 660 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: was here with the Giants when they I think they 661 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: went to the World Series when he was when Kenny 662 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: was here, he was who was it was here? Uh yeah, 663 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: just a phenomenal athlete. Mrs. The guy that did. They 664 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 1: didn't play baseball all in college until at the very 665 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: end of his career. Then showed up, played and got 666 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: drafted and made it to the major league. And it 667 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: was like Chris, like, baseball is not that easy, none 668 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: of it is. But she's that did not swing a 669 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: bat and do all of that. But like in the NBA, 670 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: they're a great athlete. Shack was an incredible athlete for 671 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: a guy his size. People forget I played with Miss 672 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 1: Rocky Yere in Orlando. He was like seven one, Like 673 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: he was long. He wasn't just big, he was long, agad. 674 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: The things that he could do in the power uh 675 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: and the agility was just mind bending. It's like, there's 676 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: no way guy that big should be able to do 677 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: with what this guy is doing. But you know Lebron, 678 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: I've never played against Lebron. They're just watching him. It's 679 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: like incredible watching this guy do what do what he does. 680 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, I mean the NBA man, I 681 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: could just go and go right down to you know, 682 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,240 Speaker 1: the Mitch Richmond, great athlete. Obviously I played against Jordan's 683 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 1: great athlete. But NBA guys are InCred I think. I 684 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: mean a lot of guys will say it in their 685 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: chosen sport. These guys are the best athletes in the world. 686 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: But boy, I don't see how you couldn't say NBA 687 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: athletes are just the best athletes in the world. The 688 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: most of her six seven six can run like the wind, 689 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: can jump or super quick hand eye coordination, and I mean, yeah, 690 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty incredible what some of those guys can 691 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 1: do well. I always remember this story, like, sometimes the 692 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: best athlete isn't the guy who's playing the most right. 693 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: And so the story I heard about, I forget what 694 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: it was from, but Chris Webber and Juwan Howard were 695 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: playing on the Wizards or Bullets at the time with 696 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: Calbert Cheney. You know, I went to I you and 697 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: like the Fab five and I you had that rivalry 698 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: when I was there in the early nineties, and um, 699 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: Calbert Cheney obviously was an All American and so they 700 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: all were playing together at that point. Cal was playing 701 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: a little bit less than everybody else. And I heard 702 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: through like people I'm connected to in sports and whatever, 703 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,400 Speaker 1: that Juwan Howard and Chris Pruppert will talk about how 704 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,840 Speaker 1: Calbert Cheney was the greatest athlete they've ever seen and 705 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: he was barely getting on the floor. But like the 706 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: things he could do with the ball in practice, and like, 707 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 1: you know, for whatever reason, he wasn't playing as much. 708 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: But like, were there guys and the Warriors who were 709 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: just ridiculously good athletes, better than Mitch Richmond, better than 710 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 1: Tim hardaway Um who just never got planned time. But 711 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: we're so good athletes. Man, I'm trying to think of 712 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: somebody I know, Timmy Hardaware, our point guard back with 713 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: the words I used to say about those people, like 714 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,320 Speaker 1: the guys that could really jump and they're explosive, he goes, 715 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: he goes, they could get up, but they can't get down. Well, 716 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,359 Speaker 1: you know what, that's interesting. The things that I want 717 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,759 Speaker 1: to talk about there are two very specifics I want 718 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 1: to talk about, and we talked a little bit about 719 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 1: I talked about this with Scooch, the bookmaker in the 720 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,399 Speaker 1: first part of the podcast, and you and I talked 721 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: a little bit about this before we came on. Is 722 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: Summer League, and Summer League has taken over the sports 723 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: conversation outside of the World Cup. And you know, the 724 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: NBA has just done a phenomenal job of like there's 725 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: the draft, then there's free agency, and its Summer League 726 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: and like all of that sort of comes together to 727 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: keep the promise of what the next season in the 728 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: NBA is going to be alive, and he gets people 729 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: really excited to see sort of how Trey Young is 730 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,359 Speaker 1: gonna do, how Marvin Bagley is gonna do. You know 731 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: what these what these new players are going to be 732 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: on their teams, and people get excited about these glorified 733 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,760 Speaker 1: scrimmage it and you can bet on it now and 734 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,919 Speaker 1: like to see some of these guys develop the idea 735 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: that they can get up and they can't get down. 736 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: What's your take on summer league? What's your take on 737 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: summer league as a development tool? And then what's your 738 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: take on Summer league or something a bet on? Well, Look, 739 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: I played in two summer leagues when I was with 740 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: the Warriors or was it one? Not one? Am I 741 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: supposed to play another one? I got hurt, but we 742 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 1: played in the Utah I think it's called the Salt 743 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 1: Lake City Review, and it's put it this way. There 744 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: wasn't nearly as many people there is there is in 745 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 1: Vegas right now, And it wasn't something that other NBA 746 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 1: guys came and hung out and watched. They weren't city 747 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: your teammates weren't sitting on the sidelines in Salt Lake 748 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: getting ready to watch you play a summer league game. 749 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,359 Speaker 1: You went out there because you wanted to get better. 750 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,320 Speaker 1: You went out there because your coach asked you to. Uh. 751 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,879 Speaker 1: So I went out there and actually, uh pop uh. 752 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,840 Speaker 1: Coach Popovich was my coach out in the summer League, 753 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: which was pretty cool. I wish I would have had 754 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,320 Speaker 1: a chance to play for him more in just a 755 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: summer league, but it was pretty cool playing for him 756 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: in Summer League. Patrols Freewell was on the team. I 757 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 1: think he was a rookie that year. But it was 758 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: just something you did. I mean, it wasn't something like like, oh, 759 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 1: I can't wait to go to Salt Lake. Now it's 760 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,279 Speaker 1: in Vegas, and Vegas is a different animal than in 761 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,760 Speaker 1: Salt Lake. But look, I think people are on crack. 762 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 1: I really do. I think there's a crack epidemic in 763 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: Vegas and people are smoking at all and going to 764 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 1: summer league games and paying paying from what I hear, 765 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,800 Speaker 1: to go to a summer league game, and those things 766 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,280 Speaker 1: are full. It's summer league. They couldn't pick those dudes 767 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: out of a lineup. They could there in their backyard. 768 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 1: They couldn't say, hey, that's the power forward for the Celtics. 769 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 1: Couldn't do it. They don't no idea who these guys are. 770 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: They know who Trade Young is and who Bagley is, 771 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 1: they know who the top picks are for It's like 772 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 1: ten guys on each roster. You have no idea who 773 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: these guys are. Yet they're in and they're in Vegas. 774 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: Let me repeat, they're in Vegas, all right. If you 775 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 1: were like in South Dakota somewhere and it was like, 776 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? I don't know when you 777 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 1: watch the bulls run around, or we're gonna watch the 778 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,399 Speaker 1: Summer League game. Okay, I'll go watch the Summer League game. 779 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 1: I'm in Vegas. I got a casino, I have a pool, 780 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: I have golf, I have all sorts of stuff going on. 781 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: And yet I'm gonna go inside a gym and watch 782 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 1: guys that I have no idea who they are, sweat 783 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 1: running up and down a court. Absolutely not, under no circumstances. 784 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,439 Speaker 1: When I when I used to broadcast for the Words, 785 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 1: they're like, hey, you want to go to Summer League 786 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 1: and do some shows from there, I'm like, you high 787 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 1: you want me to go to Summer League. I know 788 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: I'm not going to Summer League. It's so it's summer League. 789 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 1: It's the fact that it's this big deal now is 790 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 1: just mind boggling. And the fact that people are betting 791 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 1: on this stuff is mind boggling, because like I'm I'll 792 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,279 Speaker 1: bet on just about anything, but I gotta know what's 793 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 1: going on. But I mean, I'm not gonna sit here 794 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,239 Speaker 1: to know what's going on. I have to watch Summer League. 795 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: Not a chance in hell I'm watching some league. There's 796 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: not a chance in hell I'm betting Summer League. And 797 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,280 Speaker 1: how in the hell do you bet this stuff? Anyway? 798 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 1: Like I get other things, how you bet them? I 799 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,799 Speaker 1: know there's trends that go along with it, but yeah, 800 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: betting has them been there, but around that long on 801 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 1: Summer League for me to take those seriously because I'm 802 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 1: the mostly trends are what has happened. It doesn't pretend 803 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,839 Speaker 1: what's going to happen. It can help you, but if 804 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,800 Speaker 1: you just use that as a tool, I mean you're sunk. 805 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 1: So I have no interest in betting on the Magic 806 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,279 Speaker 1: plus two over the Celtics in the Summer League game. 807 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: When some dudes name I can't even pronounce. This is 808 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 1: a jumper at the end of the game and cost 809 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,600 Speaker 1: me a couple hundred bucks. No thanks, I'll take my 810 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 1: two and go to the blackjack table once again. I'm 811 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 1: in Vegas. This is a great Summer League grant. You've 812 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: like poured such cold water on the concept of like 813 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: everybody in the world being so excited about Summer League 814 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,280 Speaker 1: and the fact you can help bet on Summer League, 815 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,360 Speaker 1: and that we at the Action Network are writing dozens 816 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 1: of stories about betting trends a year on Crack two. 817 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 1: Y're on Crack two and hoever it writes those articles 818 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:11,319 Speaker 1: on Crack Why why is it different than the w 819 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,879 Speaker 1: n B A. I've been on your show, We've talked 820 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 1: about like betting on the w n B A. Why 821 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,360 Speaker 1: is it any different. You're not doing any more research 822 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,279 Speaker 1: when you're betting on the w n B A than 823 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,000 Speaker 1: you're doing it on Summer League, and chances are you've 824 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,360 Speaker 1: probably watched more of the players in Summer League throughout 825 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: their career than you have anybody playing in the w 826 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,400 Speaker 1: n B A. Well, no, no, no, I say, I 827 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,239 Speaker 1: don't think that's true. I think with the w n 828 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,560 Speaker 1: B A you have women that have been on the 829 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,040 Speaker 1: same team for a number of years, you have you 830 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: can have team trends throughout the course of a season. 831 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,239 Speaker 1: The season is longer, it's not this summer league. I mean. 832 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:44,719 Speaker 1: And then let's put it this way. I mean, who 833 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,880 Speaker 1: knows what these guys are doing the night before a 834 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,279 Speaker 1: summer League game? Like, really, I'm gonna put my hard 835 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 1: earn money on some guy who may have been out 836 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,840 Speaker 1: in the casino till at three o'clock in the morning 837 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 1: drinking vodka rocks. I mean, I'm a bet on that dude, 838 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: and it come out there sweating bullets hung first, Like, no, 839 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,799 Speaker 1: I don't think so so. But with the w n 840 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,440 Speaker 1: b A, I think it's more. I mean, look, it's 841 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,920 Speaker 1: a league. It's been around, these girls, the women have 842 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,239 Speaker 1: been around from year to year. You can say, Okay, 843 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: this is what they did last year, this is what 844 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,759 Speaker 1: they've added, And I mean, I think you can make 845 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,479 Speaker 1: a reasonable assumption as to how they're going to play. 846 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,880 Speaker 1: Do they play fast, do they play so slow as 847 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: their coach the same, did they change coaches. There's all 848 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,160 Speaker 1: sorts of different things you can look at. With summer League, 849 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,440 Speaker 1: it's a bunch of dudes thrown together. I won't say 850 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,640 Speaker 1: random Lakers teams. You know, they choose who they want 851 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: on their Summer League team, But the next year it's 852 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: a completely different batch guys. And you don't know what 853 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,799 Speaker 1: guys are out there for. I mean, some guys may 854 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,960 Speaker 1: be out there just to ball out and get the 855 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,680 Speaker 1: points because they don't have a contract and they want 856 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,359 Speaker 1: to impress someone. Some guys already have contracts with that team, 857 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,560 Speaker 1: so they're gonna listen to the coach play with instructor 858 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more run some plays. So I 859 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with those guys, and they're 860 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,799 Speaker 1: only there for a couple of weeks. So I just 861 00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: say that that I have no interest in whatsoever. Some 862 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:02,879 Speaker 1: guys want to get up, and some guys are trying 863 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,359 Speaker 1: to prove they can get down, and some guys want 864 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,840 Speaker 1: to bet on summer League. Some guys just want to 865 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: bet on the guys trying to prove they can get Downey, 866 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,120 Speaker 1: good luck. Do you even see summer league? Like, you know, 867 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,200 Speaker 1: speaking of is like a good way to see player potential. 868 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,879 Speaker 1: People are freaking out, Like the first three games, Trey 869 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,600 Speaker 1: Young was horrible and there were stories about it. I'm like, 870 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 1: this is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever seen. Like, 871 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,319 Speaker 1: you guys played three games of exhibition. Everybody calmed down. 872 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,799 Speaker 1: Everyone take a deep breath. It's not a precursor to 873 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,920 Speaker 1: what's to what's to come. It's not they're not playing 874 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,360 Speaker 1: with NBA. All those guys are not NBA caliber players, 875 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,200 Speaker 1: So you're gonna play better when you're playing with NBA 876 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,600 Speaker 1: caliber players. And I just again, you don't know what 877 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 1: the coach wants from a guy. You don't know what 878 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,399 Speaker 1: you ask them to do. Some guys made you feel 879 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 1: a little bit more pressure because they're drafted high and 880 00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 1: they feel like they have to go to Vegas and 881 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,440 Speaker 1: and and get after it. And I look in I 882 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,640 Speaker 1: pay zero attention to that stuff. Even if I watched 883 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,759 Speaker 1: those games, which I mean, really, you would have to 884 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,520 Speaker 1: freaking duct tape me to my couch, hide my remote, 885 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,080 Speaker 1: and put toothpicks in my eyelids to get me to 886 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,239 Speaker 1: watch Summer League basketball. But if you did that and 887 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,960 Speaker 1: I was watching Summer League basketball, I still would come 888 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 1: away thinking I don't care. I don't care what those 889 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,279 Speaker 1: guys did. And then I try to like, look at 890 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,640 Speaker 1: somebody go like his athleticism, or I like that guy's 891 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,080 Speaker 1: stroke whether he makes it or not, I have no idea, 892 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,879 Speaker 1: Or I like his defensive anticipation. Uh, stuff like that. 893 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,759 Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna draw any sweeping conclusions about a 894 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,399 Speaker 1: player after two or three or four Summer League games, 895 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,160 Speaker 1: or even the whole Summer League. It's just it's absurd. 896 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,920 Speaker 1: But we know how the machine works. I mean, you 897 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,120 Speaker 1: gotta have pages, you gotta have clicks, and you want 898 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,400 Speaker 1: people to to click on an article Trey Young really 899 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,399 Speaker 1: stinks and this is and you're like, well I gotta 900 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:55,719 Speaker 1: find out why, let me click on. And you're like, 901 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,239 Speaker 1: well that was stupidly move on. Uh. So that's just 902 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,880 Speaker 1: that's that's where the world works. I think people, I 903 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,520 Speaker 1: think they get it. I'm not sure, but anybody that 904 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,839 Speaker 1: would take an article proclaiming someone a bust after a 905 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,080 Speaker 1: week of Summer League is just a year on crack two. 906 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,200 Speaker 1: Don't listen. Don't pull back the curtain on my business, 907 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:21,000 Speaker 1: because then I got nothing left. You know what I'm saying. 908 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,840 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I always here for you. 909 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,680 Speaker 1: Tom Tolber bringing the Action Network down one word at 910 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:33,480 Speaker 1: a time. Here's another question. That I love your World 911 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,800 Speaker 1: Cup betting previews. Those they're fine. Yeah, exactly. Here's the 912 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,320 Speaker 1: thing us I talked about with Scooch. You are a father, 913 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,240 Speaker 1: you have grown children, you are a fan of sports, 914 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,919 Speaker 1: and you have been better for a long time. During 915 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,280 Speaker 1: the World Cup, my eleven year old son and I 916 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,879 Speaker 1: had been bonding over this and uh, the other day 917 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,360 Speaker 1: we were gonna We're talking about France and Belgium, and 918 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,000 Speaker 1: I said to him, uh, you want to bet on it? 919 00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,799 Speaker 1: And he goes sure. I'm like, alright, how much? She goes, 920 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,319 Speaker 1: I know, fifty bucks. I'm like all right. So I 921 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,960 Speaker 1: log into my you know, sports betting app, and I 922 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,279 Speaker 1: put down fifty bucks on the game. And the next 923 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,240 Speaker 1: day'm at work and he's at home and we're texting 924 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,319 Speaker 1: during the game and we're watching and we're excited. And 925 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,879 Speaker 1: when it's over, I sent him a text like who 926 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,040 Speaker 1: we win? Fantastic And all he does is text me 927 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:22,920 Speaker 1: back and say, we won fifty bucks. And so the 928 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,320 Speaker 1: next day this morning, and I tweeted this as well. Um, 929 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,640 Speaker 1: I'm talking to him on the phone and I'm like, hey, 930 00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,959 Speaker 1: England Croatia today, what do you think? And he goes, well, 931 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,439 Speaker 1: I kind of like England. But Croatia beat the rigged 932 00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,360 Speaker 1: Russians and so that scares me. I'm like, do you 933 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,960 Speaker 1: want to bet it? And he goes, well, let's bet 934 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,560 Speaker 1: less today. I'm like, the guy's a bank roll savant. 935 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,439 Speaker 1: He know, he knows like instinctively what to do. Here? 936 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,080 Speaker 1: Am I corrupting my kid? Have I sent him down 937 00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:56,000 Speaker 1: the path of destruction and no return? You are such 938 00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:02,359 Speaker 1: a loser, you really are. He's freaking eleven. Did your 939 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:09,720 Speaker 1: wife know this? I'm not sure. Fortunately, thinks like Twitter 940 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,120 Speaker 1: and Instagram are the stupidest things in the world. She's 941 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,200 Speaker 1: right by the way she feels about Twitter Instagram that 942 00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,520 Speaker 1: you do about Summer League. Yeah, there would anyone do 943 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 1: these things? All right? Two things here? One, Uh, that's 944 00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,560 Speaker 1: a sore subject with me. Because I had Belgium that 945 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,600 Speaker 1: wasn't happy with the outcome. Not only did I have Belgium, 946 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,560 Speaker 1: I had Belgium winning the World Cup. That was my 947 00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,640 Speaker 1: future is bet so it was not stupor pumped. I Uh, 948 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,120 Speaker 1: I took bellet so Belgium got me through just a 949 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,439 Speaker 1: digressive minute. Belgium got me through the World Cup. Because 950 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,080 Speaker 1: I didn't feel like bet a whole bunch of individual 951 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,720 Speaker 1: games and stuff and doing research and trying to figure 952 00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,920 Speaker 1: all this stuff out. Basically, I just asked my son, 953 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,840 Speaker 1: because my son Walkers and won the follows the Premier League. 954 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,759 Speaker 1: So I said, okay, I'm going with Belgium because I 955 00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,719 Speaker 1: can pick two players out of the lineup. I knew 956 00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,879 Speaker 1: who Locaco and the Brunner, and I liked their beer, 957 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,319 Speaker 1: so I go, good Belgium beer, two players, Let's go 958 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,560 Speaker 1: with Belgium. So I took Belgium to win the group, 959 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,960 Speaker 1: which they did even though they were trying not to, 960 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,040 Speaker 1: and now I wish they wouldn't have. I took them 961 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,680 Speaker 1: to get to the quarterfinals, which they did, and then 962 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,600 Speaker 1: I took them to get to the finals and win it. 963 00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,920 Speaker 1: So I ended up breaking even. So I won my 964 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,640 Speaker 1: first two even though I'd laid juice, and then the 965 00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,640 Speaker 1: next two I had to get to the finals at 966 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,680 Speaker 1: four to one. So I had him a plus four 967 00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,279 Speaker 1: hundred against France. I was feeling pretty good until they lost, 968 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,080 Speaker 1: and then I wasn't feeling good and then I had 969 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,719 Speaker 1: him at like nine to one to win the uh Attorney. 970 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, that I wasn't super fumped about that. But 971 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,840 Speaker 1: as far as do you and your son. Wait, he 972 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,440 Speaker 1: did the worst thing that could have happened to him. 973 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,160 Speaker 1: The worst thing was at France one. The best thing 974 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,200 Speaker 1: would have been in Belgium. Would have won like five 975 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,239 Speaker 1: nothing and he would have been crossed and you would 976 00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,640 Speaker 1: have lost fifty bucks and would have been over any good. 977 00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,279 Speaker 1: But well this sucks. Then you would have said, see, son, 978 00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:58,800 Speaker 1: look at how how many hours did it take you 979 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,440 Speaker 1: to earn those fifty dollars that you just blew? Do 980 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,279 Speaker 1: you want to do that again? It would have been 981 00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,440 Speaker 1: over for him. Now if you can build a career 982 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,560 Speaker 1: on it like you, fantastic. We talked about how many 983 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,279 Speaker 1: players make the NBA professionals for it's not many. How 984 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,680 Speaker 1: many players make money wagering even less a lot less, 985 00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,120 Speaker 1: I would assume. So him winning his first bet is 986 00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,560 Speaker 1: not ideal. Trust me on that one, and know what 987 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,040 Speaker 1: I can advocate for my son to gamble? Absolutely not 988 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,880 Speaker 1: all right? So to be clear, Um, I'm a loser 989 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,480 Speaker 1: who has sent my path down my son down a 990 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,879 Speaker 1: path for complete destruction. And I should not be doing 991 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,600 Speaker 1: clickbait stories about the Summer League, and I might be 992 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,560 Speaker 1: in the wrong business entirely. I think this is where Yeah, 993 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,920 Speaker 1: I mean I I think that, I think that in complate. 994 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,279 Speaker 1: Thanks pretty well, October. You continue to be with my 995 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:56,520 Speaker 1: favorite guests. Please get back. Thanks for having me, Jeff 996 00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:06,360 Speaker 1: all right, I'll talk to you a joy m hmmmmmmmm