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Speaker 2: Indeed we do, so we're going to take a look

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Speaker 2: at the hostage exchanges that happened yesterday. Who are they

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Speaker 2: by Miriam Maddelson just saying quiet bart out loud. Truly

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Speaker 1: to get to the hostages.

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Speaker 2: All right, So yesterday we had the exchange of hostages

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Speaker 2: Israeli hostages were released, alongside roughly two thousand Palestinians, most

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the entire scene is heartbreaking. You know,

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Speaker 1: that in of itself is a huge, a huge accomplishment.

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Speaker 1: And it is something though that I said this in

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Speaker 1: The claim of the war was to free the hostages.

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Speaker 1: It did not work. The vast majority of the hostages

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Speaker 2: And in fact, many more were killed, yes, through the

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Speaker 1: And that's just in the acknowledged ones. I mean, who

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Speaker 1: And I think that is so validating for so many

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Speaker 1: oh no, you can. Now, why did Trump break I

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Speaker 1: it that you know he actually knew about the Qatar strike?

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Speaker 1: But then afterwards he appears to kind of freak out

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Speaker 1: He makes BB read the hostage statement live in the

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Speaker 1: He creates the Charmel Shake dialogue. They sprint to a

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Speaker 1: with every other proxy conflict. It actually is as simple

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Speaker 1: But let's learn a little bit of that lesson is

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Speaker 1: mean again, you killed potentially hundreds of thousands of people,

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Speaker 1: to be out. You said you wanted to destroy Hamas. Yes,

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Speaker 1: actually not the destruction of what you originally claimed. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they used it in this you know, very harsh way.

434
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Speaker 2: I mean, he, you know, for for months and months

435
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Speaker 2: was a monstrous war criminal overseeing a genocide.

436
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Speaker 3: And that just doesn't get washed away.

437
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Speaker 2: And there's a real risk that if this thing isn't

438
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Speaker 2: kept together, and if there isn't anything approaching a you know,

439
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Speaker 2: a sustainable I can't even say just but a sustainable

440
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Speaker 2: solution here, that that could end up looking like a

441
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Speaker 2: bit of a mission accomplished moment. But you know, for

442
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Speaker 2: the time being, we're you know, we're relieved that at

443
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Speaker 2: least there's a lull in the kinetic overwhelming force that

444
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Speaker 2: had been applied and wielded against these these people in Gaza.

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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.

446
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Speaker 2: Just a couple of other updates, we could put a

447
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Speaker 2: seven up on the screen. Dropsite is reporting on the

448
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Speaker 2: influx of aid.

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Speaker 3: This is another thing.

450
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Speaker 2: I mentioned this yesterday, but I just have to but

451
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Speaker 2: given all of the lies and the propaganda. Oh, it's

452
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Speaker 2: not Israel that's blocking the aid, it's the UN. They

453
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Speaker 2: need to get their ax together. It's the Palestinians who

454
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Speaker 2: are like storming the trucks, and the trucks can't feet through.

455
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Speaker 2: That's why we have to have GHF. GHF is gone

456
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Speaker 2: as part of the deal. The UN in other aid

457
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 2: organizations are allowed by Israel to flood.

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Speaker 3: The area with aid.

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Speaker 2: So far, however, the amount of trucks coming in continue

460
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Speaker 2: to be insufficient. According to the Gaza government Media office,

461
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Speaker 2: they said only one hundred and seventy three AID trucks

462
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Speaker 2: entered the strip on Sunday. I believe the number is

463
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Speaker 2: there should be something like six hundred trucks a day

464
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Speaker 2: getting in to for it to be sufficient for the population.

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Speaker 2: Convoy included three trucks of cooking gas six of solar

466
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Speaker 2: fuel for Bakries hospitals generators amid severe shortages after months

467
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Speaker 2: of blockade and destruction. Authorities warn the amount was a

468
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Speaker 2: drop in the ocean of Gaza's needs, stressing over two

469
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Speaker 2: million residents require a sustained, large scale flow of AID

470
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Speaker 2: fuel and medical supplies. And you can see the photo

471
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Speaker 2: is from October twelve, so two days ago, as hungry

472
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Speaker 2: crowds strip AID trucks amid catastrophic hunger and deprivation. So

473
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Speaker 2: there's still a you know, incredible need there. One of

474
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Speaker 2: the things that I was seeing as well is, you know,

475
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Speaker 2: the Israelis have withdrawn from part of Gaza.

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Speaker 3: They still occupy a.

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Speaker 2: Significant portion, and the part that they occupy is actually

478
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Speaker 2: the area that has any sort of fertile farmland. Most

479
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Speaker 2: of what they've what withdrawn from is the sandy part

480
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Speaker 2: where nothing can grow. They also, as we covered yesterday

481
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Speaker 2: thanks to drop site News is reporting they also Israeli soldiers,

482
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Speaker 2: you know, torched and destroyed anything they could on their

483
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Speaker 2: way out, including this key wastewater treatment plan in Gaza

484
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Speaker 2: City was basically the only remaining even somewhat functional wastewater

485
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Speaker 2: treatment plant in Gaza City. So just to give you

486
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Speaker 2: a sense of the you know, the enormous challenges and

487
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Speaker 2: suffering that remain, let's go ahead and put the next

488
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Speaker 2: one up on the screen. You know, I don't think

489
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Speaker 2: we could show these images enough to really give you

490
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Speaker 2: a sense of what this when when they say they're

491
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Speaker 2: returning home, like this is what we're talking about. Eighty

492
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Speaker 2: five percent of Gaza has been turned into rubble. There

493
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Speaker 2: are Remember when we were all eyes on communists, you know,

494
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Speaker 2: all eyes all eyes on Rafa. Remember that all eyes

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Speaker 2: on Rafa. I mean Rafa is Rafa's destroyed. That seems

496
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Speaker 2: cooint at this point, I mean unbelieve. And again I

497
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Speaker 2: mean that was Biden too. I was supposedly a red line. Well,

498
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Speaker 2: Rafa's wiped off the map, you know, communists wiped off

499
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Speaker 2: the map. Gaza City largely destroyed. So most people who

500
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Speaker 2: are coming back are saying, I have nothing to come

501
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Speaker 2: back too.

502
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Speaker 3: There's nothing here. It's it's destroyed.

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Speaker 2: This this family home that's you know that I build,

504
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Speaker 2: or my grandfather builder, has been my home where my

505
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 2: children grew up, like gone, gone, gone. Not to mention

506
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Speaker 2: all of the you know, all the normal things we

507
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Speaker 2: take for granted and led the shops, the schools, the

508
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Speaker 2: you know, the parks, like every constituent element of just normal,

509
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Speaker 2: day to day human existence was intentionally wiped off the map.

510
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Speaker 2: And again for people who claimed, oh, this is the

511
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Speaker 2: most moral army in the world, and this is just

512
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Speaker 2: a war of self defense, a just war of self defense.

513
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Speaker 2: You know, Jared Kushner saying some bullshit like that while

514
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Speaker 2: he was in Israel. Look at that and tell me

515
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Speaker 2: that's self defense. You didn't even you didn't even destroy himass,

516
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Speaker 2: You just wanted to You just wanted to murder these people.

517
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Speaker 2: You just wanted to destroy the life and wipe off

518
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Speaker 2: the face of the earth any sign of Palestinian life

519
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 2: and survival and culture. So you know, it's it's a

520
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Speaker 2: lot of pain and heartbreak that that continues there.

521
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, Uh, it is. It's shocking how we

522
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Speaker 1: and by the way, let's sit with this too. Now.

523
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Speaker 1: In some ways, the work begins, not only in terms

524
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Speaker 1: of Gaza and how it gets uh, how it gets

525
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: governed and how you know, aid begins to flow in

526
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Speaker 1: the moment journalists start to go on in there and

527
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Speaker 1: to document, it's going to be drop after drop after drop.

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Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine, you know, to be able

529
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Speaker 1: to go into Rafa communists, especially into North Gaza, which

530
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Speaker 1: has been you know, screwed with since since October and

531
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Speaker 1: be nobody's been there for two years, and all the

532
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Speaker 1: journalists who were pacing in your debt, So at this point,

533
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Speaker 1: especially with no bombardment, and you have live television cameras

534
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: because the Rafa crossing is now open and people are

535
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Speaker 1: going to start to go in there. Doctors like we

536
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: don't have to rely on second hand testimony anymore. It's

537
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Speaker 1: it's only a matter of time until the actual national

538
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Speaker 1: news crews, the Clarissa Wards, the Trey Yanks and all

539
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Speaker 1: these people start to go in completely unimpeded without IDF censorship. Right,

540
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Speaker 1: it's going to be out there. It's going to be

541
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Speaker 1: a different world when you get live cameras of some

542
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Speaker 1: mass gray. I mean, who knows what's down there, right,

543
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: ordinance everywhere, graffiti and we have a lot of this

544
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Speaker 1: already from first hand account, but it's another thing to

545
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Speaker 1: actually go through and to report it all. And so

546
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: when you have that, it could be honestly years of

547
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Speaker 1: stories that start to come out. I mean, just think

548
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Speaker 1: back to some of the great if you think back

549
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: to after war's end, you know, everybody in history, we

550
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: kind of stop reading the book there. But there's a

551
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Speaker 1: lot of life that was lived in between, and for

552
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Speaker 1: years people grappled kind of what with the scene was

553
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: like and what happened and what this commander did or that.

554
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Speaker 1: And then the international situation with again the governance here,

555
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: there's so many pitfalls for will there be a Palestinian authority?

556
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Speaker 1: What's going to happen to the West Bank? Trump says

557
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Speaker 1: he won't let bb annex at Biebe, says that there

558
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Speaker 1: will be no palestin Indian state. What happens then? Trump

559
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: is demand we're going to talk about Astreta in a moment,

560
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,719
Speaker 1: he's demanding Abraham Accord's a normalization of relations from all

561
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Speaker 1: the Arab states for all of them. A prerequisite allegedly

562
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Speaker 1: is Palestinian statehood. Will they stick to that? I mean,

563
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it past them to move beyond it.

564
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Speaker 1: So who knows it's going to be. It's there's a long, long,

565
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Speaker 1: long road ahead.

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Speaker 2: But well, and as an indication of how opposed NETNA,

567
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Speaker 2: who is to any sort of you know, Palestinian statehood,

568
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Speaker 2: which has long been his position.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is not a secret.

570
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Speaker 2: He's very open about this is one of his primary

571
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Speaker 2: missions is to block the you know, indefinitely, permanently, the

572
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Speaker 2: creation of Palestinian state. One of the people they refuse

573
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Speaker 2: to let out of their prisons is Marwin Bargouti, who

574
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Speaker 2: is seen I mean he is actually from a rival

575
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: political party to Hamas, but they really advocated for his

576
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: release because he's seen as this potential unifying Palestinian force

577
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Speaker 2: who actually could potentially be head of state of a

578
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Speaker 2: unified Palestinian state. And they said, nope, absolutely, that guy

579
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Speaker 2: can't cannot go out. There were also a number of people,

580
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Speaker 2: some I think one hundred and fifty roughly Palestinians that

581
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: were on the sheet to be released were released, but

582
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: they were deported to other places. So those families were

583
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Speaker 2: expecting them back and then find out that no, actually

584
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: they were shipped to Egypt I think primarily, and are

585
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,239
Speaker 2: barred from returning to Gaza. So and then we've been

586
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Speaker 2: trying to track this doctor who had been detained by

587
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Speaker 2: Israel and in prison by Israel, and his name is

588
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Speaker 2: very unclear whether or not he was part of this

589
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: release or not the last that I saw, they haven't

590
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Speaker 2: been able to get updates from the family over what

591
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Speaker 2: or not he was actually released. And I just want

592
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: to remind people that Israel still holds thousands of Palestinians

593
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Speaker 2: as prisoners, as hostages, most of whom they have no

594
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Speaker 2: charges filed against. They just picked them up, largely quote

595
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: unquote military aged men, but women and children as well,

596
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Speaker 2: And you know, they just pick them up and hold

597
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Speaker 2: them and use them in you know, the same way

598
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Speaker 2: basically that Hamas used the Israeli hostages as leverage so

599
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Speaker 2: that they can, you know, have this bargaining chip and

600
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Speaker 2: continue to miserate Palestinian people.

601
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Speaker 3: So important to keep that in mind.

602
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Speaker 1: You well, that's right, all right, Let's get to treat

603
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Speaker 1: de Parsy. Joining us now is doctor Tree de Parsi

604
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Speaker 1: of the Quincy Institute to help us break down the

605
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Speaker 1: entire Charmel Sake summit. Sir, thank you so much for

606
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Speaker 1: joining us. We appreciate it.

607
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Speaker 5: Thanks Roving Meck.

608
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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and start then with Donald Trump. He

609
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Speaker 1: flew to Egypt after appearing in Israel before the Kanesset.

610
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Speaker 1: He's claiming peace in the Middle East here has finally come.

611
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Speaker 1: With several world leaders behind him. Take a listen to

612
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Speaker 1: what he said.

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Speaker 6: This is the day that people across the region and

614
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 6: around the world have been working, striving, hoping, and praying for.

615
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 6: With the historic agreement we've just signed, those prayers of

616
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 6: millions have finally been answered.

617
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Speaker 4: The war in Gaza is over.

618
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Speaker 6: Humanitarian aid is now pouring in, including hundreds of truckloads

619
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Speaker 6: of food and medical equipment. We're also agreed that Gaza's

620
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Speaker 6: reconstruction requires that it be demilitarized and that a new, honest,

621
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Speaker 6: civilian police force must be allowed to create a safe

622
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Speaker 6: condition for the people in Gaza.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what it is.

624
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Speaker 7: I like the tough people better than I like the soft,

625
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Speaker 7: easy ones.

626
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Speaker 4: I don't know what they have it is.

627
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Speaker 7: It's a personality, the problem I suspect.

628
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Speaker 5: But this gentleman.

629
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Speaker 4: From a police called Turkey.

630
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Speaker 7: Has one of the most powerful armies actually in the world.

631
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Speaker 7: It's much more powerful than even less known if you

632
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Speaker 7: look at some of the recent conflicts. He was at

633
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Speaker 7: the top of him and he was winning them, and

634
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Speaker 7: they did win them. And he doesn't want any credits.

635
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 7: He doesn't want anything. He just wants to be left alone.

636
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 7: He's a tough cooking but he's bring my friend and

637
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 7: every time I've ever needed and he's been there for me.

638
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 6: So he just made a big deal.

639
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Speaker 4: Today was fine, the biggest.

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Speaker 1: Exactly a lot of pomp and circumstance in charmel shake

641
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Speaker 1: there at the summit, Doctor Parci, what's your general read

642
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: here on some of the claims about peace in the

643
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Speaker 1: Middle eastwithstanding the hostage deal right now.

644
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Speaker 5: We're quite a bit away from peace. But we do

645
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 5: have to say though that this is a very important

646
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 5: and welcome, necessary step. There's plenty of flaws with this deal,

647
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 5: There's plenty of things to be worried about. But something

648
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 5: hasn't happened that is absolutely crucial, and that is at

649
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Speaker 5: the United States, for the first time in several years now,

650
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Speaker 5: actually has put pressure on introal That is the key

651
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Speaker 5: to a lot of these different things, a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 5: That's why a lot of these regional leaders are coming

653
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Speaker 5: and giving this exaggerated phrase for an effort that has

654
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,959
Speaker 5: not yet even begun to yield results beyond the ceasefire

655
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 5: and the hostage release, is precisely because they want to

656
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Speaker 5: continue to encourage the United States to do something he

657
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 5: hasn't done for years, which is put constraints on Indel,

658
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 5: put pressure on Idel, and stop looking at the region

659
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 5: solely from an Israeli lens. That's why they're so excited.

660
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 5: They know very well this this may not work out.

661
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Speaker 5: But if for the first time the US President is

662
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Speaker 5: willing to try some of these tools, tries the instruments

663
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Speaker 5: of pressure, they want to be as encouraging as possible.

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Speaker 5: Is that enough? No, there's a lot that remains to

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Speaker 5: be done. But without this pressure, we will not have

666
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Speaker 5: a ceasefire. We would not have the release of the

667
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Speaker 5: hostage does from both sides, and we wouldn't have anything

668
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Speaker 5: that could potentially start a real process to solve the

669
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Speaker 5: actual core issue, which is the occupation of Palestinian land.

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Speaker 3: So let's play this down a little bit.

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Speaker 2: What will it take even just for the ceasefire to hold,

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Speaker 2: and then what further would it take for there to

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Speaker 2: be something approaching resolution.

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Speaker 5: Well, for the ceasefire to hold, Trump needs to do

675
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Speaker 5: what he didn't do between January and March. He first

676
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 5: pressured these Raelis into a ceasfire back then, but he

677
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 5: did not sustain that pressure, and by March Vivi Nataniaho

678
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Speaker 5: managed to essentially reason his way out of that agreement

679
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Speaker 5: and restart the genocide this time around. Clearly the demand

680
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 5: from the Arab side and from the regional states has

681
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 5: been the Trump needs to own this process as much

682
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Speaker 5: as possible, make it as personal as possible, fly to

683
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Speaker 5: the region, give all of these speeches, have all of

684
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 5: these things in order to make it as difficult as

685
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Speaker 5: possible for any party, particularly these Raelis, to violate the deal,

686
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Speaker 5: because by doing so is to be in direct defiance

687
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Speaker 5: of Trump himself. So you know that pressure needs to

688
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Speaker 5: be sustained for this to work out. Once it gets

689
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Speaker 5: to the issue of the core problem, I think here

690
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 5: the United States needs to really take a step back

691
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 5: and recognize for so long we have said that we

692
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Speaker 5: need to get out of this region. I think that

693
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 5: is absolutely correct. The United States is completely overextended, has

694
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 5: put way too many bases and troops in the region

695
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 5: that is of increasingly little strategic value to the United States.

696
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Speaker 5: But to do that type of burden shifting, we need

697
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Speaker 5: something to shift it onto. We can't just shift it

698
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 5: onto some sort of a vacuum. If the United States

699
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 5: uses this momentum now to be able to help, not lead,

700
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Speaker 5: but help creating an inclusive security order in the region.

701
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Speaker 5: Then I think we will have that mechanism, that infrastructure

702
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Speaker 5: to shift the burden onto For that to work, however,

703
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 5: you cannot let the cancer of this continued conflict between

704
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 5: Israel and Palestine to continue. You need to resolve the

705
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Speaker 5: Palestinian issue. So I think we have to recognize that

706
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Speaker 5: a creation of a Palestinian state is in the direct

707
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 5: interest of the US itself in order to be able

708
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Speaker 5: to get to a security architecture that is crucial for

709
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Speaker 5: the US to be able to disengage militarily from this region.

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Speaker 1: One of the things doctor Parci, they are pushing hard

711
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: is the Abraham Accords. Let's take a listen to Trump

712
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Speaker 1: encouraging all of those states to join. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 6: Everybody's going to join the Abraham Accord. I like to

714
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Speaker 6: say a Raham. I love of Raham, But somehow it

715
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Speaker 6: doesn't sound as good when I say it is it

716
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 6: does when some of my other friends say it.

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00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 4: Who's who are from the region?

718
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Speaker 1: Pronunciation and all of that. Notwithstanding, he is still encouraging

719
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: those states to join. Why is he so wedded to

720
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Speaker 1: that framework, and does it have any chance of success.

721
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Speaker 5: Well, it's interesting because it also seems as if he

722
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 5: has changed what that framework actually means. The framework from

723
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 5: the outset was a very erroneous one. It was actually

724
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 5: designed to keep the United States militarily engaged in the region.

725
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 5: It was about organizing the region half the region against

726
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 5: the other half, and particularly bring the Arabs and these

727
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 5: Raelis together in order to contain on This is what

728
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 5: the US has been doing for the last thirty years.

729
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,479
Speaker 5: Started off with dual containment back in the nineteen ninety.

730
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 5: This was just giving it another name and making the

731
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 5: Arab Israeli component much more explicit. Of course, it didn't work.

732
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 5: It was sold as a peace plan, but in reality

733
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 5: through the Palestinians under the bus and paved the way

734
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Speaker 5: for October seventh, because it was very clear that if

735
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Speaker 5: you're closing the path for the Palestinians to achieve their

736
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 5: rights to a state through diplomatic means, then eventually at

737
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Speaker 5: some point it's going to translate into armed resistance, which

738
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Speaker 5: is exactly what it did. So that part of it,

739
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 5: I think it's dead in the waters. Most countries in

740
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 5: the region are not eager to normalize relations with Digital

741
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 5: we saw, for instance, according to Turkish press, at least

742
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 5: the Turks warned Trump that if he actually gets Nataniyau

743
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 5: to come to Egypt, the Turks will turn around mid

744
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 5: air and go back. They're not going to attend that

745
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 5: session together with Natanyao. So if they won't even be

746
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 5: on the same stage. And those are two countries that

747
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 5: actually have relations, can just imagine what the others are

748
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 5: feeling like. But then there's also this other confusing thing

749
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 5: is that he's saying that he wants Iran to the

750
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 5: end the Abram McCord as well. Well, if Ivan is

751
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 5: then the Abram Accord, then there's no longer an Abram Accord,

752
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 5: because the Abram Accord was centered on the idea of

753
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 5: isolating and containing Ivan, unless, of course, he's suggesting that

754
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 5: he wants to have regime change in Iran and after

755
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 5: that bring them into the Abram Accord. But that would

756
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 5: also then be a clear failure, a broken promise to

757
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 5: his base, which he said, no more regime change wars.

758
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Speaker 2: Let's go and take a listen to a little bit

759
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 2: of what Trump did have to say about Iran.

760
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Speaker 6: But I think Iran will come along. They've been battered

761
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 6: and brutished, and you know they're out there. They need

762
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 6: some help. They have big sanctions, as you know, tremendous sanctions.

763
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 6: I'd love to take the sanctions off what they're ready

764
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 6: to do, but they can't really survive with those sections.

765
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 6: Those sanctions are very tough. But at some point they're

766
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 6: going to say we want the sanctions off. We're going

767
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 6: to end up with base. I think Iran is going

768
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 6: to be fine, And there's so many Iranian people. They're

769
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 6: great people, they're smart, great great people, engineers, lawyers, and

770
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 6: in their academics.

771
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: So what did you read into those comments?

772
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 5: I think we have to remind ourselves that this is

773
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 5: pretty much exactly the same thing that he was saying

774
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 5: back in January and February, and by June he bombed

775
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 5: Iran despite the ongoing and rather constructive negotiations taking place.

776
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 5: So Tehran is extremely skeptical. They believe that there's a

777
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 5: high risk that diplomacy with the US at this stage

778
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 5: is just another guy's facade for an effort to lull

779
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 5: them into a false sense of security in order to

780
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 5: bomb them again. I think that is understandable if you're

781
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 5: sitting in Tehran. But I think it's also exaggerated. I

782
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 5: don't think Irani has had much to lose if they

783
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 5: had actually showed up in shamashef they were apparently invited

784
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 5: and Trump wanted them to be there. I think from

785
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 5: their standpoint right now, their options are not particularly good,

786
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 5: and the risk of actually engaging is, in my view,

787
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 5: less than not engaging. Now. I think there's a critical

788
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 5: element that needs to be fixed in order for this

789
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 5: to actually be a negotiation and not what Trump actually

790
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 5: seems to be looking for, which is a conversation about

791
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 5: Yvonne's terms for capitulation. Levanni's are not going to capitulate,

792
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 5: and as long as they think that that is what

793
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 5: Trump is looking for, they're going to be very disinclined

794
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 5: to get engaged in any real diplomacy with him. But

795
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 5: if Trump goes back to his original red line, which

796
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 5: was no weapons, not the Israeli redline of no enrichment,

797
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 5: then I think there is a deal that can be had,

798
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 5: and Levanni's have signaled clearly that they're open to that,

799
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 5: and in fact, they were very close to a deal

800
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 5: on that issue. The question is it seems like Trump

801
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 5: thinks that Yvon is in such a weak position that

802
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 5: he has no choice but to capitulate. I think that

803
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 5: is in this reading, Yvon is in a weaker position,

804
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 5: but it's not going to capitulate, And if you keep

805
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 5: on insisting on it, you're more likely to get into

806
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 5: a new round of confrontation rather than a deal and diplomacy.

807
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: And one of the things I've worried about doctor Parci

808
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: is that with Gaza at least not over entirely, but

809
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: quieter Natonia, who still needs a war to justify his

810
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: own political position, Well, what is the unfinished war which

811
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: he continually keeps bringing up Iran? And so we have

812
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Speaker 1: the snapback sanctions in place, we have the European Union

813
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: and all them acting much more hawkish. It actually does

814
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: seem to me as if conflict seems more likely with

815
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: Iran at this point as a result now of this

816
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: so called cease fire dealer, whatever, whether it holds or not,

817
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: but it makes it seem as if, politically to justify

818
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: his own position, his own security doctrine, that he has

819
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: to go in search of monsters to destroy.

820
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Speaker 5: I think unfortunate that you may be right on this one.

821
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Speaker 5: I don't think in the next two weeks, right the

822
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 5: immediate term, the risk has gone down, whereas the risk

823
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 5: actually was pretty high. But by the end of this year,

824
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 5: if this is not resolved and these really keep on

825
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 5: pushing and as you said, they need some other conflict,

826
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Speaker 5: they also have the option of really restarting it with Lebanon.

827
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Speaker 5: But the price for their end, of course, is to

828
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 5: be able to defend Yourana entirely. I think one of

829
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 5: the things Vanni has committed a mistake about is that

830
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 5: they never engage, not just directly with the US, but

831
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 5: they should have had just the conversation with Trump himself,

832
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 5: whether it was the foreign Minister or the president, because Trump,

833
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 5: for him, everything is personal. Diplomacy is utterly personal. Just

834
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 5: talking to Whitzkov is just not enough. And I think

835
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 5: there may have been a chance back then, and there

836
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 5: may still be a chance now that if there is

837
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 5: that type of a direct conversation, both sides will get

838
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 5: a more realistic view of the other. From the US

839
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 5: side recognizing Vannie is are not going to keep it

840
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 5: to late. You push for that, you get war from

841
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 5: Divanny inside, recognizing you can't play this game any longer.

842
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 5: Of not talking directly to the US. In fact, swallow

843
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 5: your pride. Talk directly to Trump. That's the only chance

844
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 5: of actually getting flexibility from the American side.

845
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Speaker 3: And doctor Parci.

846
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: Lastly, it's important we try to think about what Natyahu wants,

847
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 2: because he's proven very effective mulating American presidents, whether it's

848
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: this one or the last one, or a bunch of

849
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,959
Speaker 2: other ones. Besides, do you think that he is done

850
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 2: with Gaza or wants to go back into you all

851
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 2: out kinetic warfare in Gaza as well?

852
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 5: I don't think he is in the slightest finish with Gaza.

853
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 5: In fact, I don't think this is what israelis wanted

854
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 5: at all. I think what happened here is a combination

855
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 5: of two things. One that there was this massive plunging

856
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 5: of the standing of Israel in the America first constituency,

857
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 5: which is Trump's core constituency, particularly in the last couple

858
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 5: of months. It really accelerated and it started to become

859
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 5: a political liability for Trump. In fact, he said to Nataniahu,

860
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 5: according to his own conversation as he conveyed it to

861
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 5: Sean Hannity, he told Nataniaho, you can't continue fighting the

862
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 5: world all the time. He's essentially telling him, you're becoming

863
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 5: a pariah, You're becoming isolated, and this is costing me

864
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 5: a lot because you're asking the United States to arm you,

865
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 5: to defend you diplomatically, spend a lot of political capital

866
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 5: to constantly bail you out of things. Enough is enough.

867
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 5: I'm not going to walk into the midterm elections with

868
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 5: this liability, if that is. And I think, of course

869
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 5: the strike against cutout, which was this massive overreach by

870
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 5: these realities, kind of was the trigger that shifted the

871
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 5: debate inside of the White House on this issue and

872
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 5: pushed them in the direction that we're seeing right now.

873
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 5: So I don't think Nathanio wanted any of this. He

874
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 5: wanted to continue defining, He wanted to have an annexation,

875
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 5: not just of Gaza. He wanted to use Gaza as

876
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 5: a way of distract the world from what he's actually

877
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 5: doing in the West Bank right now. So this is

878
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 5: a major uprooting of the plan that he had. I

879
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 5: don't think he's abandoned the plan. I think he's bidding

880
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 5: his time to see when will Trump lose attention, shift

881
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 5: his focus elsewhere, and when is the next opportunity for

882
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 5: NATANIEO to restart this once again, just as he did

883
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 5: in March.

884
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: Very very important analysis. Sir, thank you so much for

885
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: joining us. We appreciate it.

886
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 5: Thanks so much for having it.

887
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: Turning now to side comment to Donald Trump, and yet

888
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: probably one of the most revealing comments of all time

889
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: is Trump praising mega doner Miriam Adelson while he was

890
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: in Israel, and in particular making a comment about how

891
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: he once asked her whether she loved Israel or America more,

892
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: and she wouldn't answer, so he assumed Israel. Let's take

893
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: a lesson.

894
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 6: Booking promises from many other American presidents.

895
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 4: You know that they kept promising. I never understood it

896
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 4: until I got there.

897
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 6: There was a lot of pressure put on these presidents.

898
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 6: It was put on me too, but I didn't yield

899
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 6: to the pressure. But every president for a decades said

900
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 6: we're gonna do it. The difference is I kept my

901
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 6: promise and officially recognized the capital of Israel and moved

902
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 6: the American embassy to Jerusalem.

903
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 4: Isn't that right? Miriam?

904
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 6: Look at Miriam, she's back to stand up.

905
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 4: Miriam and Sheldon would come into the office.

906
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 6: They call me, He'd called me. I think they had

907
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 6: more trips to the White House than anybody else.

908
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 4: I can think. I'm look at us sitting there so innocently.

909
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 6: She got sixty billion in the bank, sixty billion, and

910
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 6: she loves and I think she said no more, and

911
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 6: she loves Israel, but she loves it.

912
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 4: And they would come in and her husband.

913
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 6: Was a very aggressive man, but I loved them. It

914
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 6: was a very aggressive, very supportive of me. And he'd

915
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 6: call up, can I come over and see you? I say, Sheldon,

916
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 6: I'm the President of the United States.

917
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 4: It doesn't work that way. He'd come in. But they

918
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 4: were very responsible for so.

919
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 6: Much, including getting me thinking about Golan Heights, which is

920
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 6: probably one of the greatest things ever happened.

921
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 8: Miriam, stand up, please, she really is. I mean, she

922
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 8: loves this country.

923
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 4: She loves this country. Her and her husband are so incredible.

924
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 4: We miss him so dearly.

925
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 6: But I actually asked her. I've got to get her

926
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 6: in trouble with this, but I actually asked her. When

927
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 6: they said so, Miriam, I know you love Israel. What

928
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 6: do you love more? The United States or Israel? She

929
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 6: refused to answer. That means that might mean Israel.

930
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 4: We love you. Thank you, darling for being here. That's

931
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 4: a great honor, great honor, a wonderful woman.

932
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: So that, by the way, is something that would get

933
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: you banned from social media previously. It's something that would

934
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: be considered anti Semitic. Actually under the government's definition. Let's

935
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 1: go ahead and put b six please up on the screen.

936
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: From our friend Glenn Greenwald, as he says, is that

937
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: under the new expanded ihr A hate speech rules, Trump

938
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,439
Speaker 1: forced American universities to adopt. Accusing Jewish citizens of being

939
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: more loyal to Israel or to their alleged priorities of

940
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations

941
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: is considered an act of anti Semitism. And yet in

942
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: this case, he tells a personal anecdote in which he

943
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: directly asked Miriam whether she loved Israel or America more,

944
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: and she wouldn't answer, and that he thinks that she

945
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: meant Israel. If you have any doubt, by the way,

946
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: about her husband, he once said that it was a

947
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: regret that he wore the American uniform in battle and

948
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: not the Israeli uniform, and that his children wore the

949
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: idea of uniform. People think I'm Joe, look it up

950
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: all right, it's a direct quote from Sheldon Agedelson, the

951
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: main funder of birthright.

952
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 3: More than anyone else.

953
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: Okay, it's not anti Semitic conspiracy theory. It is literally

954
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: a fact. And yet look in some way, I talked

955
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: about the duality of Trump. He is both the Megazionist

956
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: and the guy who tells Bbe to shut up and

957
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: to just go along. In this case, he just says

958
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: the quiet part out loud. He told us all the

959
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: truth to him, it's very obvious. He's like, she's got

960
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: sixty billion. She gave me a hundred billion or how much.

961
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 3: One hundred million for this just for this campaign.

962
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: He gave me a hundred million just for this campaign.

963
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 1: Part of it was ighlight. Israel annexed the West Bank.

964
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: I guess she didn't fully get everything that she paid for,

965
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: but she got a lot of what she paid for.

966
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: And he said he out of his own mouth, he said, Miriam,

967
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: you know, in his own estimation, loves Israel more than

968
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: she loves America.

969
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's like, really, honestly no analysis needed

970
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 2: for this.

971
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 3: But it's very sell explanatory.

972
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 5: He said.

973
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 2: Trump is out here bragging about how his foreign policy

974
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: was for sale, and this is the lady who bought it.

975
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: At least with regard to Israel, talks about some of

976
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: the actions specifically he took in the first term, where

977
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: he recognized Jerusalem as the capital, moves in American embassy

978
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 2: to Jerusalem, recognize the goal on heightswich under international law

979
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: are part of Syria as being part of Israel. This

980
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: was what was on their wish list for the first

981
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: Trump administration. Reportedly what's on their wish list for the

982
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: second Trump administration is the complete annexation of the West Bank.

983
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: That has basically happened. I mean, if you talk to

984
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 2: Jasper Nathaniel in terms of the level of control that

985
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 2: Israel exerts over the West Bank, and if you consider

986
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 2: especially some of the increase in settlements, key settlements that

987
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: you know, cut off the West Bank from critical parts.

988
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: So you've got already basically de facto annexation of the

989
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: West Bank. And I will say, one red flag for

990
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: this deal is how happy Miriam is about it. You know,

991
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 2: that's one thing, that's one thing that's very concerning to me.

992
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,919
Speaker 2: Why are these people so ahead? If he really stuck

993
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: it to be b and like you know, Drew drove

994
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 2: a hard bargain, then why do they are they acting

995
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 2: like they got everything that they ever wanted out of this.

996
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 3: That's one thing to be concerned about.

997
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: And also the fact that like he just openly says

998
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: like this, lady, she gave me a hundred million dollars.

999
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: I mean, this is and exactly what he said, but

1000
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 2: this is the substance of his statements, she gave me

1001
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars. I'm gonna do what she wants

1002
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 2: me to do on this. So what else does she want?

1003
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 2: How does she want this deal to ultimately be resolved?

1004
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 2: But just extraordinary for the American president to be in there, like, yeah,

1005
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: I you know, she gave money in my campaign, and

1006
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: so I did what she wanted me to do and out.

1007
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: And to reveal her sentiments and this gets so we

1008
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: didn't get it in the show, but we're we're gonna

1009
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: cover maybe Ryan and I will cover it tomorrow. The

1010
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: a PAC trying to rebrand themselves. This is exactly the

1011
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: point of always incredible. So I'll give you so the

1012
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,959
Speaker 1: APAC people, what they always tell me is, look, these

1013
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: are Americans, they are American citizens. They have the right

1014
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: to engage in their politics. Well, when you literally have

1015
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: the President of the United States saying in this case

1016
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: that they have loyalty to a foreign country and they

1017
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: use their dollars to fund causes to promote more loyalty

1018
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: to that government, what world are we living in where

1019
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: that doesn't have to qualify for foreign agent registration or

1020
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: we need to change the law. Honestly, like imagine the

1021
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: roles reversed. I'm of Indian descent. I'm not even a

1022
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: citizen of India or an overseas citizen or any of that.

1023
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: I actually rejected they have this overseas citizen thing where

1024
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: basically it's like a multi entry visa. I said no,

1025
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: even though it's some pain in the ass because I

1026
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: refused to be a citizen even in name of any

1027
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: other country. And yet for them, they not only want

1028
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: the dual citizenship, they want also to be able to

1029
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: use their their American citizenship to promote loyalty to this

1030
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: foreign government. And listen, I mean, I guess you know,

1031
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: you have the right to do what you want, but

1032
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: at the very least, like you have to have some

1033
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: registration or disclosure purposes whenever it comes to that. And

1034
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: even that they would say it's anti Semitic. I just

1035
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: compared it to India. I would call out any Indian

1036
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 1: who's doing the exactly I'm calling anybody Yugoslavia whatever. Okay, Serbia,

1037
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: so us Slavia doesn't exist. Yeah, sorry, live I've been

1038
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: doing some nineteen nineties reading, so I have a globe

1039
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: in my desk which I had still from the nineteen hundreds,

1040
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: which still has like the Russian Empire on it. So

1041
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: that's that's part of the issue. But my point, just

1042
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: broadly is it's not anti Semitic. Point. I would say

1043
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: it about anybody. I genuinely would say it about anyway Katari,

1044
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: but they want a special exception. They refuse to even

1045
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: acknowledge any of this. And by the way, if Trump

1046
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: hadn't said it, whenever people like you know, I know

1047
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: Scott Horton said that, I think on Lectreaman podcasts whenever

1048
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: he was debating Mark Dubowitz, you know, he was called

1049
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: an anti semi you know, for bringing up that point.

1050
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: When you literally quote the Atlesns and then point to

1051
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: their giving and what their priorities are, you're called anti Semitic. Yeah,

1052
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: and then Trump just says the shit out about.

1053
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 3: They've just that card. It just doesn't work anymore.

1054
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 2: And you know, and it's a problem when you have

1055
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: genuine anti Semitism because now everyone's like, well, well, was

1056
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: a really be as you say that shit about like

1057
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: literally everything. So let's we've got a little bit of

1058
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 2: an update about how things are going over Barry's CBS

1059
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: as well that we can put up this as B five.

1060
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 2: So now CBS News on their homepage is promoting some

1061
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 2: of the quote unquote reporting from the Free Press, including

1062
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 2: this article some New York Police Department officers worry about

1063
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: mom Donnie becoming the New York City mayor. So this

1064
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 2: is the type of partnership, type of hard hitting journalism

1065
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: that's being promoted now over at CBS News.

1066
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just extraordinary.

1067
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 2: And it was interesting talking to doctor Parsi about part

1068
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 2: of why this deal is happening now, And partly it's because,

1069
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: in Ryan's words, like Israel was bombing Trump's money in Qatar.

1070
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 3: I think that was a big part of the reason.

1071
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 2: But the other part of the reason was the sense

1072
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 2: that Israel is incredibly isolated in the world, like it's

1073
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 2: impossible to continue running cover for them and stick with

1074
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: their propaganda, and that you have this significant faction, especially

1075
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: of young people in the America First movement, who were like,

1076
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 2: how is this America First?

1077
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 3: And it was becoming a problem.

1078
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Speaker 2: And one of the ways you could tell that this

1079
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: was becoming an issue is because you have had this

1080
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: increase heavy handed effort to censor any pro Palestine or

1081
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: Israel critical commentary, including you know, what's happening at CBS

1082
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 2: being one piece of that, what's happening at TikTok being

1083
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: another very important piece of this. So you know, this

1084
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 2: was a sort of sign that they recognized they needed

1085
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: to get more aggressive because their previous tactics in Haspara

1086
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 2: were just utterly falling flat. So so anyway, that's that's

1087
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 2: where we are. That's how things are going for for

1088
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 2: baran Ze.

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00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: Yes there's our update, Yeah with CBS. But if anybody

1090
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: is interested, Paramount sky Dance stock is down ten point

1091
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: four percent in interested we have Yeah, oh yeah, did

1092
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: I disclose that? Did I disclose that? I don't think

1093
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: if I did full disclosure. What I did on the

1094
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: day that the Paramount deal acquiring Barry Weiss's company, The

1095
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,919
Speaker 1: Free Press was announced, I bought a put option on

1096
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: the stock for paramount that it would crash by twenty

1097
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: five percent in one year. And already this doc is

1098
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: down ten point four percent in the last five days,

1099
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Speaker 1: and currently we're recording this before the market is open,

1100
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: it's down another one point one seven percent as of

1101
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: this morning. So I can go ahead and check right

1102
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: now what I could sell and already exit my position

1103
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: for if I wanted to. Let's see, it was already

1104
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: up some eighteen percent whenever I checked it yesterday. So

1105
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: that is my own personal full disclosure here. Even though yes,

1106
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: I am against sports gambling, I am absolutely four. Look

1107
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: I put my money where I'm mouth is right. I

1108
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 1: said it's a stupid deal, it doesn't make any sense,

1109
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: and that it is indicative of ideology over content, and

1110
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to stick I'm going to stick to that.

1111
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: Any moron who's going to buy the Free Press for

1112
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty million and wants to pay all

1113
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: cash for Warner Brothers Discovery is a moron worth betting against.

1114
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: And so that is my bet. Consider yourself fully informed, audience.

1115
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: So Barry's big initial idea of her roundtable with Hillary

1116
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: and Pompei or whatever what ended up being was a

1117
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: discussion with Hillary Clinton and Kndallie's a rice on the

1118
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 2: future of the Middle East.

1119
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 3: And I'm just taking a look now.

1120
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Speaker 2: It looks like looks like it got on their YouTube channel,

1121
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 2: which their YouTube channel, CBS News has like close to

1122
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 2: seven million subscribers. Looks like it clocked in at fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Thousand, solid, very solid.

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00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when they livestream it, it had like a hundred concurrence.

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Speaker 1: Let's keep it going, all right, Let's start a game

1126
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: stop thing. Let's crash this fuck all right. And by

1127
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: the way, all proceeds I will use for something that

1128
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: would make very very furious. I haven't decided exactly what

1129
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: it would be, but if I if I make any profit,

1130
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: all profit will go to something that would make very well.

1131
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 2: It's sort of incredible that, at least based on the

1132
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 2: stock price right now, the actual valuation for the rest

1133
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 2: was like.

1134
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 3: Multi negative negative million billion, yeah dollars.

1135
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I need to look at the market

1136
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: cap overall of this company. Let's see eighteen point seventy

1137
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: four billion, so down. Yeah, that's as of right now.

1138
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: I'd have to do some back of the napkin math

1139
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: now person. But yeah, anyway, so there you go. Consider

1140
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: everybody yourself informed. It was it's all on do fun.

1141
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: I think the total price was like two hundred dollars.

1142
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: It wasn't like a serious bet or anything. But again,

1143
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: all of the all the proceeds will make to some

1144
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: We'll go to something. If I do sell it for

1145
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: a profit, that will make Barry Wise furious. Okay, let's

1146
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: get to the car. Turning now to the economy. A

1147
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: blockbuster new interview with Andrew Ross Sorkin, who's got a

1148
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: new book out nineteen twenty nine, says a crash could

1149
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: happen again, referencing the Great crash that caused the Great Depression.

1150
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. And in the nineteen twenties, people

1151
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: were saying stocks were going to go up because the

1152
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: entire world was buying into the US. I think that's

1153
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: very true.

1154
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 9: I would actually specifically point actually to a technology story

1155
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 9: back then, which was radio radio. The ticker symbol was Radio,

1156
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 9: the company was RCA. They also, by the way, not

1157
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 9: only had the technology for radio, they had the patents

1158
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 9: for television. And that was the Nvidia. I mean, that

1159
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 9: was the meme.

1160
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: Stock of that era. Because people were.

1161
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 9: Buying into this future that we were all going to experience,

1162
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 9: and they wouldn't have been wrong. By the way, the

1163
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 9: conundrum is, I think the stock split adjusted at the

1164
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 9: peak was like got to five hundred and thirty semi dollars,

1165
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 9: and by nineteen thirty two.

1166
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: Was like three dollars. So there you go. He's making

1167
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: some parallels there about the parallels between today's market and

1168
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties. Obviously, you could probably say that at

1169
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: any time about some stock people who have been talking

1170
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: about crashes and all of that for some time. But

1171
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's looking a little bubbly. I think if

1172
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: you asked me, I spoke to a friend recently who said,

1173
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: if you really want to be scared, it's not the

1174
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: it's not March of two thousand, it's January of nineteen

1175
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: ninety nine. So we're still at the early part of

1176
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: where things might go for the dot com crash. I

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00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: think the parallels. I think what scares me the most

1178
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: are those insular deals that I haven't stopped talking about

1179
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: here on the show, because that's the type of stuff

1180
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: we were like, yo, man, this stuff is not just fake,

1181
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,479
Speaker 1: it's fake beyond fake. And everybody looking at ice cream

1182
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: cone right. So it's like open ai announces a deal

1183
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: with a company. That company gets ten percent of its

1184
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: stock to open Ai. Then the stock goes up, and

1185
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: then the amount that they're paying is covered by the

1186
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: overall value. And this happens over and over and over.

1187
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: Which AMD and Nvidia did it with another company. Open

1188
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: ai just announced a deal with Broadcom. It's like they

1189
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: have figured out their secret sauce is that investors are

1190
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: so bullish on the promise of AI that even when

1191
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: they put cash out the door. As they cash out

1192
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: the door is enough for a requisite rise in the

1193
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: stock that if they take the stock, the value goes

1194
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: up and it's effectively nothing there when in reality nothing

1195
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: has happened. It's a five year deal. Who knows. Chips

1196
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: is a hard business? Can they really make them? You know,

1197
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: it's not that easy, as we've all figured out. It's

1198
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: been a few years since the Chips Act. How's that going?

1199
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: Not particularly well in terms of our production. It's literally

1200
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: probably the hardest manufacturing business in the world. And yet

1201
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: it's all premised on, oh, we eventually are going to

1202
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: get to a place of agi and the you know,

1203
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: the profits and all of that are going to be

1204
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: so extraordinary and so unbelievable, and right now the reality

1205
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: it just doesn't exist. I was telling you guys yesterday

1206
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: as the audience has been watching some more NFL, you know,

1207
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy and weird to watch Microsoft Copilot and

1208
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: Chat GPT running consumer ads on the NFL network, like

1209
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: on the various networks. So, for example, Microsoft Copilot is

1210
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: running ads right now about that dumb animation like turning

1211
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: a photo of yourselves into anime. And they're like Microsoft

1212
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: Copilot where you can free image generation for everybody. I'm like, really,

1213
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: that's what you're selling to people's that's the promise of copilot.

1214
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: Same with chat ChiPT. They're like, use it to plan

1215
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: a vacation or something. It's like to a brother and

1216
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: sister driving through the mountains. And I was like, so

1217
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: that's what all the data centers and all the shit

1218
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: is for.

1219
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 3: Is for this for you know, like glorified Google, right, like.

1220
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: Google Plus right, a Gemini right. I mean, if you

1221
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: look at the ads for these, it's not impressive. It's

1222
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: not at all what it was sold ads.

1223
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 5: Now.

1224
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: Is it a good research tool? Sure? Does it help

1225
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: some efficiency a little bit and all that. Yeah, But

1226
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: that's you know, worth the hundreds and hundred trillions dollars

1227
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: of market cap of where we are. So that's why

1228
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm starting. I'm just getting very nervous. But you know

1229
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: what my cope is and why the market can't crash.

1230
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: The whole economy is fake. This shit is way more

1231
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: fake than nineteen ninety nine. Back in nineteen ninety nine,

1232
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: we actually had we made shit in this country, like

1233
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: actual stuff. We had a lot more fundamentals, all of

1234
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: the bonanzas and all of that Wall Street subprime and

1235
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: all that hadn't happened yet, a lot of the fakeries,

1236
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: and you know, terms of accounting, et cetera. This is

1237
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: pre Enron. So it's like when I start to think

1238
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: about where things are today versus then, like I think

1239
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: we've actually gotten much more sophisticated at washing all. This

1240
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: still the house of time maybe can't crash, it can't go.

1241
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1242
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: I think we put the superglow down and now it's

1243
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: not as easy to crash anymore. I could be totally wrong,

1244
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: but that's my cope.

1245
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1246
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 2: And here's the thing is, like there isn't a lot

1247
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 2: of indication that AI so far has you know, there's

1248
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 2: all this projection, Oh, it's going to increase employee productivity

1249
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 2: and so that's going to create all this GDP growth.

1250
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 2: There is not a lot of indication that that is

1251
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 2: happening yet. And we know that the vast majority of

1252
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 2: AI applications are not profitable. Like these companies that keep

1253
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 2: spending spending more money and acquiring different other companies, and

1254
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 2: you know, their stock keeps going up and up and up.

1255
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 2: It's not like they're making money on any of these investments.

1256
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 2: So that's a bit of a red flag. So on

1257
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 2: the one hand, there's the risk of this technology doesn't

1258
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 2: really pan out to be as you know, transformational as

1259
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 2: it was supposed to be, and at some point there's

1260
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 2: a reckoning with that and that.

1261
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 3: Creates a crash.

1262
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 2: The other possibility is that it is as transformational as

1263
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 2: being promised and it creates a mass like layoffs and

1264
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:38,919
Speaker 2: societal tumult So it's kind of a distressing story either

1265
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 2: way you cut it.

1266
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: You know.

1267
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: The other piece of this is that with Emily and

1268
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 2: I covered this yesterday, sire, I want to get your

1269
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 2: take on it too. With the China trade war stuff,

1270
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,439
Speaker 2: China really holds our fate in their hands right now.

1271
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 2: If they want to pull the pin on us with

1272
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 2: regard to rare earth, they can do it now. They

1273
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 2: have vulnerabilities as well. Right, we're very inter connected in

1274
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 2: terms of our economies. But that's why on Friday when

1275
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 2: they were like, oh, we're going to up the export controls,

1276
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 2: on export restrictions on rare earth minerals, why there was

1277
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 2: such an instant market freak out because they I was

1278
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 2: just looking, China controls about seventy percent of global rare

1279
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 2: earth mining, ninety percent of refining capacity, that's a really

1280
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 2: important piece, and ninety two percent of these type of

1281
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 2: magnet production that are critical for motors and evs, wind

1282
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 2: turbines and defense tech all Like, all of this is

1283
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 2: very critical also for AI.

1284
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 3: So if our entire.

1285
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 2: Economy is a bet on AI and we're deeply, deeply

1286
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 2: reliant on this country that Trump is set on antagonizing,

1287
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 2: that's a really dicey situation to be in as well.

1288
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: I don't know with the China thing, Yeah, you're absolutely

1289
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: right about the rare earth minerals. I don't I just

1290
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Speaker 1: don't know how much of the trade fight is fake.

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Speaker 1: It's like one day it's one hundred percent tariff and

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Speaker 1: the next days is not going to happen. By the way,

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Speaker 1: as we are speaking, the Dow is falling the expectations

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Speaker 1: because of US China tensions research, even though it went

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Speaker 1: up over one percent yesterday when it looks like China

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Speaker 1: tensions were cooling. All I know broadly is that yes,

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Speaker 1: we have serious fundamental and strategic risk whenever it comes

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Speaker 1: to China. And there were a lot of easy ways

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Speaker 1: to get away from that, as in not just chips,

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Speaker 1: but even this. I mean, look at that to every

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01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: tax bill, every time you touch the US tax code,

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Speaker 1: it's a massive missed opportunity. It's a zero sum game.

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Speaker 1: We only open up the tax code every five years,

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01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: so every five years you have a bite at the

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Speaker 1: apple to actually do something. And in this particular case,

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01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: they didn't really do much to boost any American manufacturing

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01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: in the critical sectors that we need at the most.

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Speaker 1: And our trade policy is so schizophrenic. Are we rarely

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Speaker 1: create prioritizing rare earth minerals or not not really right,

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Speaker 1: it's all just scattershot, it's not serious. And in the

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Speaker 1: interim at every year China continues to go exponential. Now,

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Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of criticism about, oh, you're glazing listen, No,

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01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: we can acknowledge all of their problems, authoritarian government, bureaucracy,

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01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of it is for show. In

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Speaker 1: some cases, like the bridge, for example, there were some

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01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: criticism of people who covered the bridge, like, oh, you're

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Speaker 1: buying into Chinese propaganda. I'm like, well, you know, even

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01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: if it is a bridge to nowhere, it's still a

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01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: remarkable engineering accomplishment. And the truth is is that that's

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Speaker 1: the way that they get the rural population on their side.

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Speaker 1: I encourage people to read Dan Wang's book people who

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01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: live in rural China have watched in twenty years a

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Speaker 1: literal exponential increase in their life in their life. Yeah, now,

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Speaker 1: compare that to Appalachia or to this. I was just

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Speaker 1: looking this morning at a graph of life expectancy southeastern

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Speaker 1: United States. Is life expectancy twenty years lower than the

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Speaker 1: rest of the country. Who is doing anything about that?

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Speaker 1: Is anybody doing anything about that?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 1: And so I look at that, I look at the

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Speaker 1: housing price. At the very least the CCP pretends to

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01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: give a shit about your problems. Sometimes they're actually really

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01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: good at it at solving them sometimes not. You know,

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01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: they give you a lot of propaganda, but they don't

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01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: even pretend here. That's what I admire is the level

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01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: of seriousness for the critical industry and for their long

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01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: term thinking. I mean, people laughed, including me at Made

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Speaker 1: in China twenty twenty five. I remember when I came

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01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: out and said this is a joke. They It's true.

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Speaker 1: It worked. I would say the vast majority, if you

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Speaker 1: go back to the twenty fifteen and read the documents,

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Speaker 1: most of what they set out to do, which is

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01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: declaring independence in batteries, critical minerals, in airplane production, and

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Speaker 1: in high tech manufacturing. I wouldn't say they won entirely.

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01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: They haven't achieved total autonomy, but they made a lot

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01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: of progress. Now, compare the same rhetoric of twenty fifteen

1347
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: in the United States about the pivot to Asia. Where

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01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: are we today? How's the pivot to Asia going? It's

1349
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: literally twenty twenty five. What's the lead block of this show? Israel? Palestine?

1350
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 1: Who's who's Trump meeting with on Friday? Fucking Zelenski about you? Like,

1351
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: oh what? That's literally two conflicts of no importance in

1352
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: the Grand scheme of things to the USA, and that's

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01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: what everything is fun focus on, not to mention all

1354
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: the dollars all of the attention in Washington. So it's like,

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about, is you have to zoom out.

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01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: And I've seen this stuff from Afar, you know, literally

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01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: here in the city for the entire period of twenty

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Speaker 1: fifteen now to twenty twenty five, and I think we've

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Speaker 1: actually made less progress if you look at manufacturing, if

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Speaker 1: you look at the level of seriousness, divided politics, life expectancy,

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Speaker 1: even COVID. We criticize them for zero COVID. I certainly did.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was incredibly stupid, but it turned out,

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01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: you know, what they were able to do was actually

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01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: exert even more control over their population. People predicted that

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01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: that would lead to rise up in the hasn't happened, literally,

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01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: hasn't happened. Yeah, So you know, we have to stop

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Speaker 1: putting our own values or expectations on this other country

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Speaker 1: and we need to live in hours. And the truth

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Speaker 1: is we live in a financialized bubble where the cost

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Speaker 1: of living is unbelievably high for the vast majority of

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01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: people who make under one hundred thousand dollars. That's just

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Speaker 1: that's the truth. That's not the truth over there.

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Speaker 2: The life expectancy thing doesn't get talked about, en Offen.

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Speaker 2: Oh No, it's such a basic matrik of how your

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01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 2: society is doing. And when you see life expectancy like

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01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 2: not just flatlining, but actually falling, and you you know,

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01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 2: like that is such an indictment of a society, and

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01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 2: it is also such a clear indicator that you're gonna

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01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 2: have some fucked up politics too.

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Speaker 1: That is like Russia nineteen nine. Do you think Putin

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01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 1: came to power? People are like, oh, he's so authoritarian,

1382
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,799
Speaker 1: he just came out of nowhere, and he tricked the Russians.

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01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, he tricked them or they were massively alcoholic.

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01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: They got their economy destroyed and their population decimated. Their

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01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: empire was you know, torn apart by the West. Then

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01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: the West created NATO and started marching it forward. Not

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Speaker 1: even this stuff doesn't just happen in a vacuum. Yeah,

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01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 1: that's you know, exactly and not excusing Putin. We can

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Speaker 1: sociologically understand why that might be traumatic for a population.

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Speaker 1: You're exactly right here in the US. You have almost

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Speaker 1: ten years now of declining life expectancy, massive obesity, pre

1392
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: diabetic What do you think is going to happen? Where

1393
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: do you think? Maha, and all of that comes from.

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01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: People are so furious and then urinize. Health insurance premiums

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01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: are about to go double. All right, people are going

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01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 1: to go radical. People are going to go crazy when

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Speaker 1: you start paying. I'm already paying like nine thousand dollars

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01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: a year for health insurance for me, my wife and

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Speaker 1: my one kid. All right, so dollars I have a

1400
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: fourteen thousand dollars deductible fourteen thousand that will wipe out

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01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 1: any average person in this country. Wipe out one medical emergency.

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01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 1: You're dead from a bankruptcy perspective. So put that on

1403
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 1: everybody else. Yeah, and just think about where that's going

1404
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: to go.

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01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 2: And yeah, you know who has something to say about that.

1406
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 2: Marjorie Taylor Green sounding off on prices and has been

1407
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 2: sounding the alarm about these spiking health insurance premiums that

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01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 2: are on the horizon.

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01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and listen to that. Costs have not

1410
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 3: come down.

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Speaker 10: I myself can tell you my apartment here in Washington, DC,

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01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 10: the electricity bills one hundred dollars more than it was

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01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 10: last year. Because you can look at your own bill

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01:09:55,680 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 10: and look at at costs. Prices have not come down.

1415
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 10: That that is a reality. People's wages have not gone up,

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01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 10: that's another reality. And so Americans are continuing to have

1417
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:10,679
Speaker 10: a very difficult time.

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Speaker 2: The thing that's amazing to me is this is such

1419
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 2: so basic, Like it's so basic and so obvious, and

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01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,719
Speaker 2: everybody knows it, and yet for her to say it

1421
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 2: is like really remarkable.

1422
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: Because Trump's because Trump and the Republican Party demandfield and

1423
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to talk about it when he's in office.

1424
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: The tariff's economy and all of that is booming, and

1425
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: she's like, no, this is a reality. I think what

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01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 1: I give her credit for is she always speaks, at

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01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: least more recently, from a point of view as a

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01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 1: mother and as a congressman of this district. She talks

1429
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: about her children and about their economic I mean, I

1430
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 1: think that is the only way that a healthy society

1431
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: can look at the political problems are not only how

1432
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: does this affect me? How does this affect the next generation?

1433
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: Looking at you boomers, looking directly in the camera at you,

1434
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: it would be nice if you guys started to think

1435
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more like that. But that's the issue.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 1: I see of a recent clip I don't know if

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01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 1: you did, of Ron DeSantis talking about when you buy

1439
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: a TV, you don't have to pay taxes on it

1440
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: every year comparing to property texts. That's what you said

1441
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: about a TV. Yeah, that's the same thing, you know,

1442
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: the TV. Apparently you need roads and all of that

1443
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: to operate a TV. But I'm gonna lose it, you

1444
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: know when I watch this stuff happen, because let's put

1445
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,759
Speaker 1: this Wall Street Journal piece, Please stronger growth, weaker hiring

1446
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: forecastor see a split screen economy? And what is the

1447
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: split screen It's exactly what we keep hammering home here.

1448
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: Is at the top ten percent, things seem fine. At

1449
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: the rest below one hundred thousand, yeah, it's not fine.

1450
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: And the split screen economy is one where without AI,

1451
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: we would be in a recession. Without all of this

1452
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 1: AI fakery, we would not only have a top and

1453
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: bottom recession, we would be in a full blown GDP recession.

1454
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,480
Speaker 1: It's the only thing that is propping up the economy

1455
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: right now, and it's the only reason that rich people

1456
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 1: aren't beating the drum because there's valuations and portfolios are

1457
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 1: sky high, but everything right now is weird. Gold all

1458
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: time high, we covered that bitcoin is near all time high,

1459
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: stock market near all time high. That's not supposed to happen,

1460
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,640
Speaker 1: like those are supposed to be countervailing, right, So I

1461
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: don't know the whole thing. It's making me crazy because

1462
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 1: it's just every day a stupidity marches on, and that's

1463
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 1: one more day that we're not doing anything about it.

1464
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: She's the only politician on the right right now which

1465
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: is actually trying to elevate that in the discussion, and

1466
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 1: she's getting blown to hell for it, from Israel to prices.

1467
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: I saw someone calling her a California liberal. I was like, okay,

1468
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: if that's if that's the standard, now we are cooked

1469
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: like cooked if that's MTG is.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, last PC here. Just this is kind of

1471
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 2: what I was referencing before about, Okay, well, how is AI,

1472
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 2: how is it doing, how's it going?

1473
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 3: How's it impacting the workforce? Because part of.

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01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 2: The bet is that all of these companies are going

1475
01:12:57,800 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 2: to invest in AI. That's going to be where a

1476
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 2: lot of the revenue for these for AI companies come from.

1477
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 2: That it's going to increase worker productivity. We could put

1478
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 2: this last one up on the screen. There's just not

1479
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 2: a lot of evidence that this has really come through yet.

1480
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 2: Now it might, it's still early days, right, and not

1481
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 2: just in terms of the technological development, but in terms

1482
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 2: of companies and workers figuring out how to use the tech.

1483
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 2: There are some early indications that in coding effectively, which

1484
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 2: is a huge irony since we were all told learn

1485
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 2: to code. This is the technology of the future. That's

1486
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,839
Speaker 2: like the one place where you can look. New college

1487
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,679
Speaker 2: graduates coming out who have like computer science degrees are

1488
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 2: struggling to find work because that is the place where

1489
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 2: AI has been the most disruptive in terms of replacing

1490
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 2: entry level workers. But outside of that, there isn't a

1491
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 2: lot of indication that the promise is bearing fruits as

1492
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 2: of yet. So you know, some massive, like mind boggling

1493
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 2: amounts of money have been spent on this. The amount

1494
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 2: of resources that are being sucked up. Your electric electricity

1495
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 2: bill like going up, as Marjorie Taylor Green was talking about,

1496
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,600
Speaker 2: as a result of these data centers sucking up so

1497
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 2: much power water usage. You've got wells that have gone

1498
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 2: dry when these data centers have located nearby is actually

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Speaker 2: something I'm concerned about it where I live, where they're

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Speaker 2: blending to locate.

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01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 3: A risk facility rise up with city.

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01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 2: Council, and so yeah, you know, a little concerned about

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01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 2: that myself. But in any case, all of these massive

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01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 2: bets being placed, and as of yet, the promise and

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01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 2: certainly the profit to go along with those massive bets

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01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 2: has not come to pruesh Bingo.

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Speaker 1: Everyone watch it and it will. It's like I said,

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01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 1: it'll either come true like what they're claiming. There's three options.

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01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 1: It's it'll either come true with AGI and what they're claiming,

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Speaker 1: which is going to lead to a massive surveillance oligarchical state.

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01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: You guys covered that yesterday, Yeah, piled Peter til Thing

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01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 1: number two is it won't come true, but because the

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01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 1: economy is so financialized and so fake, is that we'll

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01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:58,719
Speaker 1: have like a modest period, but we'll have no crash.

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01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,719
Speaker 1: An Option three is a so I really honestly don't

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01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 1: know which is worse, because the status quo was bad,

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01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 1: the alternatives bad, and the victory scenario is also there's.

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Speaker 2: A fourth, even more dystopian option, which is that one

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01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 2: company achieves AGI and has all the dystopian results we're

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01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 2: concerned about. But because they're all the other companies, you know,

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01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 2: lose the race, there's still a dramatic crash because it's

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01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 2: only that one company that succeeds. And by the way,

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01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 2: almost a certainty out of all of this is that

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01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 2: more wealth, more wealth, and more power is going to

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01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 2: be consolidated in the hands of a few. How do

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01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 2: you think that's going to go for all of us?

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01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 2: How do you think that's going to go for our society?

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Speaker 2: I mean, already I think the massive wealth and income

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01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 2: and equality gap is part of what's fueling, you know,

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Speaker 2: all of the turmoil that I see in our politics.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to consolidate that even more, and we're

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01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:51,719
Speaker 2: you know, handed to Peter Tea, Elon Musk, Marcusuckerberg, whoever else.

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Speaker 2: And it's not even like I don't like any of

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01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 2: those guys, but it's not even.

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Speaker 3: About whether they're good or bad.

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Speaker 2: People like that much wealth and power consolidated constant trade.

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Speaker 2: It in the hands of one or a handful of

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Speaker 2: individuals is just a very dangerous situation, and you know,

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Speaker 2: with potential dire consequences.