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Speaker 1: It's our number two. I guess I shouldn't be shocked.

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Speaker 1: Eight of the last nine NCAA basketball champs have lost

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Speaker 1: in the round of thirty two or earlier in the

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Speaker 1: following tournament. The exception is that the Yukon team, that

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Speaker 1: great Yukon team several years ago. But it caught me

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Speaker 1: off guard. I filled out my bracket. I had a

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Speaker 1: it was a little choppy. And you go to the Caribbean,

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Speaker 1: you got those well crudo, a few red stripes. You know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of vitamin D. I told J Mack I

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Speaker 1: But you know, J Mac, I will tell you when

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Speaker 1: you go on vacation, it puts things in perspective.

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Speaker 2: How's that?

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Speaker 1: And I've come to the conclusion that I like sports

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Speaker 1: because I'm sitting there and it's eighty three degrees and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, give me a red stripe. I got to

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Speaker 1: turn the tournament on Friday, and it's great. I just

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Speaker 1: it is a lot of fun, all right. We call

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Speaker 1: it Colin right, Colin wrong. We do it every Monday,

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Speaker 1: and here we go. Where Colin was right, well, I

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Speaker 1: said the NIL is going to favor the Big ten,

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Speaker 1: major universities, rich alumni, massive endowments. Six of the sixteen

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Speaker 1: been thirteen and three in the tournament. Iowa, a middle

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Speaker 1: of the pack team, knocked off Heavyweight SEC Heavyweight Flow.

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Speaker 1: So the NIL is kind of what we thought it

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Speaker 3: Where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Lakers are on a nine game winning streak.

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Speaker 1: Lebron's completely energized on the defensive end. I never thought

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Speaker 1: so It's hard to get stars, older stars to play

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Speaker 1: great defense on a nightly basis. But Lebron is going

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Speaker 1: And I'll take an L on this one.

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Speaker 3: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: I said the NIL would be great for older coaches.

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Speaker 1: Rick Bettino still alive, Tom Izzo, Rick Barnes, Kelvin Sampson, Why,

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Speaker 1: John Calipart Why because college or it's recruiting now is

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Speaker 1: And I think that's great for the players because now

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Speaker 1: Kelvin Sampsons and the Calipari's. I mean, it's always been

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Speaker 3: Where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: Okay, in my blotchy bracket, I had Florida play Michigan

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Speaker 1: World Baseball Classic is massively undervalued as a property. I

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Speaker 1: I don't get the Ravens having an eleven and a

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Speaker 3: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: Minnesota has not only signed Carson Wentz, but Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: I love Jim Harball, when I asked him about him,

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Speaker 1: What happens when you play at Ohio State, Alabama and

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Speaker 1: a Jim Harball college team. Winning's not a trait. Personality, arm, mobility, toughness,

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Speaker 1: those are trade so I'll take it. I'll take an

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Speaker 1: R on that one. Colin Wright, Colin Wrang on a Monday.

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Speaker 1: Right, welcome back. All right, it starts tonight. Let's look

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Speaker 1: at the schedule. Tonight. The Sweet sixteen. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: to be you know, it's funny. You know it's funny

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Speaker 1: you think to yourself, coach, you know we're not quite

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if it's great being on Colin

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Speaker 4: And that's something I would never want to give up?

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Speaker 1: So is all barks. I've been I'm defending guys that

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Speaker 1: Dan Hurley eight seasons at Yukon, won seventy seven percent

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Speaker 6: excited about that and again he left money on the

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Speaker 6: table to play for the Dodgers. And then so when

435
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Speaker 6: you're looking at show, hey, Freddie, Mookie, you know will Smith, Yamamoto,

436
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Speaker 6: some other guys we have blakes. Now, I just think

437
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Speaker 6: that you know, even for me, you're going to see

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Speaker 6: him hitting second today, and that's what he's going to

439
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Speaker 6: be doing at the outset and looking up beyond and

440
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Speaker 6: just get on base. We don't need you to slug,

441
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Speaker 6: play good defense, run the bases, do you, and and

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Speaker 6: help us win baseball game. So I do think that

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Speaker 6: this fit makes a lot of sense, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, Dave, And it's certainly not a weakness, but it's

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Speaker 1: something I thought about knowing you were going to come

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Speaker 1: on the show today. Is that Listen, he's another big stick.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you know, if he hits thirty bombs

448
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Speaker 1: for you, it wouldn't it wouldn't be it wouldn't surprise me.

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Speaker 1: But as you know, you can be his gift that

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Speaker 1: as Freddie Freeman or O Tani and struggle in the

451
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Speaker 1: postseason because the pitching's so good in the postseason, do

452
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Speaker 1: you worry about with this team that you have so

453
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Speaker 1: much power, does it hurt your ability to manufacture runs

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Speaker 1: without you know, like I said, last night, the Yankees

455
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Speaker 1: had nine singles. I'm said, Aaron Judge, it was zero

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Speaker 1: for five. I'm like, that's actually, in a weird way encouraging.

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Speaker 1: Do you worry that, man, we got a lot of

458
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Speaker 1: big sticks. Can we still manufacture runs? Do you think

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Speaker 1: about that?

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Speaker 4: You know what I do.

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Speaker 6: And I think that that was more of an indictment

462
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Speaker 6: probably on teams that we had a few years ago,

463
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Speaker 6: in the sense of we just slug and we can't

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Speaker 6: get hits. And it's interesting that, you know, the batting

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Speaker 6: average is devalued, has been devalued over to let's say,

466
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Speaker 6: the last ten years. But when you get into the postseason,

467
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Speaker 6: people want base runners. They want to get hits, and

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Speaker 6: how do you drive in or run when you're facing

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Speaker 6: the best pitching. And I will say this that our

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Speaker 6: guys to a man, know how to get on base.

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Speaker 6: They control the strike zone, and they know how to

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Speaker 6: get hits. And so that's talking about getting a hit,

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Speaker 6: you know, with two strikes, with guys in squoring position,

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Speaker 6: with two outs, facing good pitching, knowing how to hit

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Speaker 6: the outfield grass. And so I don't worry about that

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Speaker 6: with this ball club, and I'll tell you.

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Speaker 4: This right now, is one through nine.

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Speaker 6: It's a relentless lineup, and so that pitcher is going

479
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Speaker 6: to be at one hundred pitches in the fourth fifth.

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Speaker 4: Inning, and that's a grind.

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Speaker 6: So I think that with our lineup, we should be

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Speaker 6: able to get to starters and get to the early

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Speaker 6: and see how it goes. So yeah, I'm not too

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Speaker 6: worried about, you know, just a slug because I.

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Speaker 4: Do feel we can manufacture runs if we need to.

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Speaker 1: With O Tawny Show, Hey, O TAWNI, do you have

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Speaker 1: a game plan going in or is it one of

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Speaker 1: those We're just going to communicate. We're going to see

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Speaker 1: how he feels, you know. I mean, you've you've got

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Speaker 1: essentially a player that does something nobody else does. How

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Speaker 1: do you management manage it? Opening day on? Do you

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Speaker 1: have to be super communicative in this relationship?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely.

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Speaker 6: So he's going to start the fifth game of the

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Speaker 6: season and he's already up to eighty five pitches. So

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Speaker 6: I think it's for me as far as managing the

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Speaker 6: game when he pitches, we're going to manage it. I'm

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Speaker 6: going to manage it the way to help us win

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Speaker 6: a game and obviously manage his stress in a particular game,

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Speaker 6: the pitch count, all that stuff, and.

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Speaker 4: Then as far as the hitting.

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Speaker 6: You know, last year we started out with him with

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Speaker 6: throwing one inning and then repeating that a couple of

504
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Speaker 6: times to then build the two then three, so it

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Speaker 6: didn't really impact the DH role. Where now the jumping

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Speaker 6: off point is five six innings. So that's something we're

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Speaker 6: going to monitor and see that. We're not going to

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Speaker 6: be ahold, be behold until like he has to DH

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Speaker 6: every time he pitches. We'll kind of manage that. CIA feels.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, there's constant communication going on. But man, what

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Speaker 6: a player?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what what was your opening message in spring for

513
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Speaker 1: this group of star studded Dodgers? What is the coming

514
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Speaker 1: off back to back titles? Can you have a new message?

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Speaker 1: What is the message?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, some of it is like you know,

517
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Speaker 6: the old continuing to reinforce that our guys do a

518
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Speaker 6: very good job of minding the little things. And I

519
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Speaker 6: think it's just the whole idea of just winning a

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Speaker 6: baseball game. And you know, whether it's Spring training, it's

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Speaker 6: Game seven in the World Series, it's opening day in

522
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Speaker 6: twenty twenty six, we have a certain standard of excellence,

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Speaker 6: and I think that even when you watch as Colin,

524
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Speaker 6: how we play the game, run the bass, play defense,

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Speaker 6: it matters how we practice. I think the message far

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Speaker 6: as keep the blinders on, get the blinders on, look forward.

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Speaker 4: I reference a greyhound.

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Speaker 6: You know, when a greyhound's in a race, they're chasing

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Speaker 6: the lure and they're not looking at who the competition

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Speaker 6: is to the side, And I think that the loure

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Speaker 6: is right there, that trophy, and we're chasing that trophy,

532
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Speaker 6: and it doesn't matter who's beside us, who's behind us,

533
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Speaker 6: who's chasing us, And I think it's just more of

534
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Speaker 6: just keeping the focus on ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Well, you've got you know, you've only got two trophies

536
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Speaker 1: behind you when you just won your third as a manager,

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Speaker 1: where's the third?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the third? See the trophies, they got it. They

539
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Speaker 6: got to come back. So I'm trying to move so

540
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Speaker 6: you can see them. The third one is in Root.

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Speaker 6: So I got twenty twenty four, twenty five is in Root.

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Speaker 6: Tomorrow we'll get our twenty five World Series rings. So

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Speaker 6: hopefully we do this again in twelve fourteen months, and

544
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Speaker 6: then I'll have four behind me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, just cross your fingers on Amazon. You never know.

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Speaker 1: They're usually on time. You just hope they hope they deliver.

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Speaker 1: It's great seeing you and uh, I know you got

548
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Speaker 1: a little golf in, but you just a credit to

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Speaker 1: the sport and you're a gentleman and I love you

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Speaker 1: coming on the show and I appreciate it. Thanks, Dave.

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Speaker 4: I love what you do. Man, Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: You bet Dave Roberts already in the office. They're heavy

553
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Speaker 1: favorites to three. Peete and listen.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: It that Edwin Diaz in the clothes closing it for

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Speaker 1: this team. That was a we said it before twenty

557
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Speaker 1: six saves last year. I think about that, you win

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Speaker 1: a World Series. They went into the playoffs having blown

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Speaker 1: twenty six saves, so it was a It was a

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Speaker 1: Dodger fans.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny because when the bullpen struggles, the manager

563
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Speaker 1: gets all the heat. You're not pulling the right levers.

564
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Speaker 1: It's like you got to get people out. There's only

565
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Speaker 1: so much a manager can do.

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Speaker 4: J Mac.

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Speaker 1: We had we don't do many four guest shows, but

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Speaker 1: we had all of the guests we wanted to get

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Speaker 1: on this week's show get called us Back, So thanks

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Speaker 1: to Dan her, Joel Katt, Carlos Boozer, Dave Roberts. Carlos

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Speaker 1: Boozer is one of the nicest guys, is uh just

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Speaker 1: you know, it was interesting when he was talking about that.

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Speaker 1: It's such an advantage. You know, his kids are practicing

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Speaker 1: against NBA guys. They've been in the arenas. That's why

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Speaker 1: so many professional athletes. That's another reason why you know

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Speaker 1: their kids do well. It's like a constant internship from

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Speaker 1: the time the kids are six years old to the

578
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Speaker 1: time they're drafted. They're around all these coaches and all

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Speaker 1: these arenas and intensity. So you know high IQ kids.

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Speaker 1: Dad was smart kids are not a surprise. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: You know, John Shire, I believe is what thirty eight

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Speaker 7: years old? Do we have the age on these on

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Speaker 7: the Saint John's is he like seventy three years old?

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Speaker 1: Well, the gap in these coaches looks crazy. It's one

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Speaker 1: of the scene that was so rare. I mean, Jim

586
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Speaker 1: Calhoun left, I think it was Kevin Ollie took over

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Speaker 1: the job. They had some initial success, but it didn't

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Speaker 1: really work. I mean, it just it just doesn't happen

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Speaker 1: very often. Generally in college football, you know here like

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Speaker 1: Harball leaves and they hire somebody that's got proximity on

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Speaker 1: the staff. This happens all the time. You hire somebody

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Speaker 1: that the players know and already like that, and the

593
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Speaker 1: guy goes to the NFL or he goes to another job,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, well, but proximity to greatness does not

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Speaker 1: equal greatness. And I grew up in the Pacific Northwest

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Speaker 1: where Oregon State basketball, Washington football, you know, would go

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Speaker 1: with a guy that was closest to the legendary coach.

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Speaker 1: So for Duke to go with John Shier, who has

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Speaker 1: a totally different personality than Mike Krzyzewski, knows the program

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Speaker 1: and for it to be this good, I mean, go

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Speaker 1: look at the look, go look at North Carolina. They

602
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Speaker 1: just fired Hubert Davis.

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Speaker 7: But define this good because they were the favorites last

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Speaker 7: year and blew it down the stretch, well blew it

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Speaker 7: you know it's it's well, it was a historic meltdown.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 7: I may have been heavily invested in Duke last year,

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Speaker 7: and that one still stings. I remember where I u

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Speaker 7: when the meltdown was happening. It was it was a

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Speaker 7: j Mack was down bad in that one Colin and

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Speaker 7: that was a meltdown. There's with Cooper Flag. I mean,

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Speaker 7: two guys who were dominating the NBA and you'd lose

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Speaker 7: to care. That was brutal. So Shire's got if it

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Speaker 7: gets tight against Patino, who I did look up he's

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Speaker 7: seventy three.

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Speaker 3: Who gets the edge?

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Patina, there's an argument he's the best coach

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Speaker 1: in college basketball and if you include the NBA, he's

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Speaker 1: a top ten coach. I mean he's all time. That

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Speaker 1: worries me. Man, Yeah, well they beat yukon a couple

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Speaker 1: of times and early, so Patino knows and Saint John's

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Speaker 1: can't really shoots to be a Sweet sixteen team without

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Speaker 1: really knockdown guys on the perimeter at all.

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Speaker 3: Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays

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Speaker 3: and Neon Easter not a em Pacific.

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Speaker 1: And with that, Rick new Heizel, he coached Colorado Washington,

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Speaker 1: ucla former NFL coordinator, is taking the job of the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Renegades. You know, it's interesting pro football. And I

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Speaker 1: had this discussion once with herm Edwards. He's like, if

630
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Speaker 1: you don't get the quarterback right and Bill Belichick knows this.

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Speaker 1: It gets ugly really fast in the National Football EGA.

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Speaker 1: In college, it's more. I mean, you were lucky you

633
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Speaker 1: had Marcus Tuiasosopol, you got to a Rose Bull and

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Speaker 1: wanted at Washington. I think against Berdue if I remember

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Speaker 1: a few quarterback matters, but roster is probably bigger than quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So I want to ask you about the nil. It's important, Rick,

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Speaker 1: we know that. And a place you used to coach

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Speaker 1: is UCLA. Well, UCLA is an international university. As you

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Speaker 1: well know, you're not paying your assistance two and a

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Speaker 1: half million dollars the SEC they'll do it, they're not

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Speaker 1: doing it. I want to ask you specifically, if you

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Speaker 1: had the money in college, where would you spend it?

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Speaker 1: Because you know, while I'm watching, Iowa spends no money

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Speaker 1: and they're in an Elite eight team in basketball, where

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Speaker 1: would you spend it?

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Speaker 8: If you had the money, you would spend it on

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Speaker 8: the same positions that you spend it on in the NFL.

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Speaker 8: You would go to those difference making positions, which are quarterback,

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Speaker 8: pass rusher, alpha receiver, shut down corner, because those change

650
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Speaker 8: the math of football when you have those particular players.

651
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 8: A left tackle is a premium position. The NFL has

652
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Speaker 8: done a great job of identifying those positions. There are

653
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Speaker 8: some outliers like the b John Robinson's and the Saquon

654
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Speaker 8: Barkley's at the running back position, but the most I

655
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 8: think they've done a nice job of realizing where to

656
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Speaker 8: spend their money.

657
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Speaker 1: Well, and before we get to the Dallas renne Gade,

658
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Speaker 1: because I have a lot of questions there, Kurt Signetti

659
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Speaker 1: comes in in your life. Did you ever in your

660
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Speaker 1: life think if I told you a team went sixteen

661
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: and zero, it would be the Indiana Hoosiers to you?

662
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Speaker 1: When you watch Signetti, what is the secret sauce? Or

663
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Speaker 1: is a lot of it?

664
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Speaker 8: Just Mendoza, It's the perfect storm number one. He's a

665
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Speaker 8: fantastic X and O coach. He's a culture builder, he

666
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 8: has a real belief in what he does, and the.

667
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Speaker 3: Players buy in.

668
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Speaker 8: Those thirteen kids that came with him from James Madison

669
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Speaker 8: were critical to the deal, not just because of their talent,

670
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Speaker 8: but also getting the other kids at Indiana to buy

671
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 8: into the thing, and then the nil and the ability

672
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Speaker 8: to go and get a bunch of transfers, identifying older

673
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 8: experienced players who had that kind of chip that DNA

674
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Speaker 8: to you know, weather storms and stuff. And then Fernando

675
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 8: Mendoza comes along and just wows people and literally he's got,

676
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 8: you know, brilliant acumen. He was going to go to Yale,

677
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Speaker 8: that's who kind of bright kit he is. But those throws, Colin,

678
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 8: those that accuracy with the back shoulder throat to the

679
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 8: wide side of the field, that's rare air. So it

680
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 8: was a perfect storm and Indiana fans rejoice that. I mean,

681
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Speaker 8: I my relitter out here in Dallas. She's an Indiana fan.

682
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 8: She went to the Rose Bowl, the Peach Bowl, and

683
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Speaker 8: then to Miami.

684
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Speaker 3: She said she never spent money so wisely.

685
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

686
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Speaker 1: You No, it's really interesting, Rick, you were a quarterback,

687
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 1: you played, you were a coordinator, you were a college coach,

688
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: you're an analyst. I mean, you've worn a lot of

689
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: different hats. I I my take on the NIL. It allows,

690
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: it allows for Indiana, it allows a coaching staff to

691
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: rebuild quickly. But Mike, you you watch USC and LSU,

692
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: They've had a lot of NIL money and they haven't delivered.

693
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: I think, Rick, I think we overplay ANIL. It's valuable.

694
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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying it's not valuable. I still

695
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Speaker 1: contend at the college level, coaching and culture trump money

696
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Speaker 1: or am I being naive?

697
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Speaker 3: I think you're dead right.

698
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 8: I don't think you can just throw money at problems

699
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 8: and expect things to come together as you hope they will.

700
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Speaker 8: That you have to have the ability to create the culture.

701
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Speaker 8: And I said that was the number one attribute to

702
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Speaker 8: the Indiana story. The ability to create a culture that

703
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 8: everyone bought in and thirteen kind of disciples coming from

704
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 8: James Madison to tell guys how we do things at Indiana,

705
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Speaker 8: I think was absolutely pivotal. You look at this Iowa

706
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 8: basketball story, right, the kid from the Division two school

707
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 8: goes to Drake for one year. This starts kid, right,

708
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 8: He's a culture creator at Iowa. Ben McCollum doesn't have

709
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Speaker 8: to just tell people how it's going to look. He's

710
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 8: got a guy that shows him how it's going to look.

711
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Speaker 8: That's really really important as you're building something and trying

712
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 8: to change the paradigm of what people expect from a

713
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 8: particular program.

714
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Speaker 1: Well, you are a very good college quarterback, and I'm

715
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Speaker 1: old enough to remember all of it, and your son's

716
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Speaker 1: also a coach coach, and you've been doing you know

717
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: SEC stuff for a long time. You know, I watch

718
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: every weekend is for a long time. The SEC twenty

719
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: years and I defended it. I'm like that they care more,

720
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Speaker 1: they spend more. I got Nope, the facilities are better,

721
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Speaker 1: the coaching staff's Are you shocked over the last three years?

722
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Speaker 1: I looked it up this morning in the March Madness.

723
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: The last three years Big Ten teams that are favored

724
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: are thirty two and five. Three of the five losses

725
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: are Wisconsin. It's literally the paradigm has shifted. Rick, It's

726
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: like SEC dominates. Wait a minute, the Big Ten is

727
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: clearly number one. Are you shocked by it?

728
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 3: I am.

729
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 8: I think the parody in the SEC has caught up

730
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 8: to them a little bit. It's hard to build the

731
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 8: super team as Nick Saban and Kirby Smart did right.

732
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Speaker 8: The ability to stock pile defensive line talent that both

733
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 8: of those guys did, and certainly Kirby learned it from

734
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 8: Nick how to do that has gone by way of

735
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 8: the whales. Now you've got a bunch of revenue in

736
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 8: those programs in the Big ten, and eager programs in

737
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 8: the Big ten to join the fray. Right, you look

738
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 8: at what Brett Bielam has done at Illinois you look

739
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 8: at obviously, the Indiana story is one that resonates. These

740
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 8: programs have figured out. Listen, we now can use our

741
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 8: money to go out and bring capable players here. And

742
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 8: we have as much now in the way of eagerness

743
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 8: to join the ranks of the big time, the blue bloods,

744
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 8: if you will. We've seen Michigan and Ohio State do

745
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 8: it for years. Penn State's been right nipping at their heels.

746
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 8: Now a bunch of other teams are saying we can

747
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 8: do it as well.

748
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: So you've had opportunities to coach, and you've broadcast, raised

749
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: your kids. And now the USFL calls, which I've been

750
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: saying for three years, is watch the games. Quarterback, receiver, back, corner.

751
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: There's NFL guys here. There's lotter their speed, there's twitchiness,

752
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: I can aline. If you're good, NFL is going to

753
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: grab you pretty quickly. Because the online play in the

754
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: NFL is not great. What turned you on to this opportunity,

755
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: because you've had more than a few over the last

756
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Speaker 1: fifteen years.

757
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 3: It you know spring football. I played spring football.

758
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 8: I was in that USFL when Jim Kelly and Don

759
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 8: Flutie and Herschel Walker and Anthony.

760
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 3: Carter and Meggie White.

761
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

762
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 8: I always played for the San Antonio Gunslingers, so I

763
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 8: have great memories of having had that experience and know

764
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 8: how talented players can be at that level. And then

765
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Speaker 8: I coached in the Alliance of American Football just a

766
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 8: couple of years ago for the Arizona Hotshots, and getting

767
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 8: coaches to come back with me Colin was like getting

768
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 8: the band back together. I mean it was, and so

769
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 8: we enjoy it immensely. It goes quickly. It's a three

770
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 8: month stint. It's not a year round deal for if

771
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 8: you're worried about your energy level. I mean, it is

772
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 8: just absolute nirvana for a coach. The coaches love to coach,

773
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 8: kids love to do what they're asked to do because

774
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 8: they want one more shot at the brass ring. I

775
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 8: could not imagine a better coaching scenario for anybody, especially

776
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 8: with someone with experience, because this is the purest form

777
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 8: of football you were just talking about, Nil, These kids

778
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 8: are on scholarship, everybody makes the same Everybody just wants

779
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 8: one more chance to play.

780
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Speaker 3: And I promise you.

781
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Speaker 8: Having been on the practice field for now the last

782
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Speaker 8: five weeks. There's plenty of guys that can play on Sundays.

783
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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I don't think any I don't think there's

784
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: any doubt. And I have been a believer in spring football.

785
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: I just think it has to be quick, succinc to

786
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: the point. You got to get the right cities. You know, Rick,

787
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: it's interesting as a quarterback you coached as a coordinator

788
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: in NFL head coach college and I talk about this

789
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: a lot. Is I don't know if I would leave

790
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: college football. I think there's a renaissance in college basketball

791
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: and college football with older coaches because it used to

792
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: be had to have that young guy energy to go recruit.

793
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: Now it's administrative. Now you just write checks. Belichick may work.

794
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, there's a lot of check writing you

795
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: don't have to be as a coach at an AEU tournament.

796
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: Buttino refuses to recruit high schoolers. So would you rather

797
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: today if you were offered the Raven's job or Oregon

798
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,959
Speaker 1: two great jobs, respective of their industries. What's the better

799
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: job as a coach college or pro?

800
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 4: Well?

801
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 8: No one, Phil Knight like I do that Oregon job's

802
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 8: pretty good.

803
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 3: I promise you.

804
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 8: That's a good one, but having been in the Raven organization,

805
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 8: I enjoyed the heck out of that too. Steve Buschatti

806
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 8: is a guy's guy. He's a blast. I think both

807
00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 8: are fun. Both have their complications, right given the expectations

808
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 8: that come with them.

809
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: The college job.

810
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 8: Right now, as I talk to my friends, the old

811
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 8: buddies in the coaching profession, you're not recruiting players anymore,

812
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 8: you're recruiting money. And somewhere along the road, the leaders

813
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 8: of college athletics and I know they had kind of

814
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 8: a summit at the White House.

815
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago.

816
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Speaker 8: It was kind of a we are the world of

817
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 8: college football trying to you know, we come together in

818
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 8: such I think that Cody Campbell, that billionaire from Texas

819
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 8: Tech s edit best. We're going to have to deal

820
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 8: with some pain before we're going to get to the

821
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 8: other side. People are all going to have to give

822
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 8: a little and hopefully we can get there. Because as

823
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 8: my friend and the Chris Childers on the radio show

824
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 8: that I participate in says all the time, college sports

825
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 8: are idiot proof.

826
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Speaker 3: We're watching it in March madness.

827
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 8: It's unbelievable how well they do college football delivers. The

828
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 8: numbers keep going up even though we have no idea what.

829
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 3: The rules are. Asked about swee, He'll tell you what

830
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 3: the rules are.

831
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 8: No one has any idea, but yet we can't wait

832
00:42:59,360 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 8: to tune in.

833
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great seeing you. Your son's been a wonderful story.

834
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Speaker 1: Now he's at Northwestern. Now he took he took a

835
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Speaker 1: north quarter.

836
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Speaker 8: Coach at Northwestern, and I let me take this opportunity

837
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 8: to again apologize to Penn State fans for losing my

838
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 8: uh my neutrality in the course of.

839
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Speaker 3: A network I put on dad goggles like no tomorrow, Colin,

840
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: no tomorrow. That was a lot of fun.

841
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

842
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: Uh, you also have a law degree, if I remember,

843
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: don't you?

844
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 3: I do?

845
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 4: I do. Uh.

846
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 8: I haven't had to use it of late, and hopefully

847
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 8: I don't have to anytimes.

848
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Speaker 1: Rick, it's great singing. You look great, and congrats on

849
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: the job with Dallas.

850
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Speaker 3: We're going to have fun.

851
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 8: I hope you'll tune in and uh it'll be uh hopefully.

852
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 3: Kevin Somelan and I are one in one against each other.

853
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: We got each other tomorrow. We'll see who gets the

854
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 3: rubber match.

855
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: All right, appreciate it, Rick, Thank you da, my friend,

856
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: you bet they don't do the tush push tush PUSH's

857
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: band in UFL Uh. You can go after a touchdown,

858
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: you can go for a one, two or three point conversion.

859
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Speaker 1: That's interesting. I am a believer. Remember the Vince McMahon

860
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: League when they use some of the aerial cameras and

861
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: the NFL was like, yeah, that stuff works. They have

862
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: four point field goal if you kick a field goal,

863
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: sixty plus yard field goals are four. The other thing

864
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Speaker 1: they're doing is you only have to have one foot

865
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Speaker 1: in with a catch. That one's interesting because if you

866
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Speaker 1: only had to have one foot in with a catch, boy,

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Speaker 1: NFL games would be quicker. It feels like every weekend,

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Speaker 1: if there's one play in a game that slows it

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Speaker 1: down is did he get that second toe in? So

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Speaker 1: it starts on Fox.

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Speaker 4: Good stuff,