1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. Earlier this week, in 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: the middle of a hectic news cycle, I got a drink. 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: I picked me up for a colleague, Rachel Ching. She's 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's managing editor for Global Business in Asia. So I 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: have a very special treat for you. I got Rachel 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: some coffee, but not just any coffee. 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: Wow, whe should you manage to get that? This cross 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: bought it? Yes? 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: So I think you're holding a coconut latte that came 10 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: from a Luckin store all the way from Sinzen here 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: to Hong Kong. Luck and Coffee is the biggest coffee 12 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: seller in China, but it doesn't have a store in 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: Hong Kong, where we're based. So our fabulous producers arranged 14 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: a special delivery of some of Luckin's most popular flavors, 15 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: like their coconut latte. 16 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: Amazing. Can I actually try it right now? 17 00:00:58,360 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: Yes, hold on burgers right together. 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: It's like two thousand calories. 19 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: Well that aside, it's actually pretty good. 20 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: It's very good, very delicious. 21 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not a connoissan. I'm sure that coffee 22 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 3: fancy coffee people would hate the taste, but fancy coffee 23 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 3: people also hate Starbucks. 24 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: That's true. Rachel used to cover Luckin during its early 25 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: days in twenty seventeen as a startup, and in just 26 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: seven years, Luckin has outpaced Starbucks, who opened its first 27 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: door in China as early as nineteen ninety nine, and 28 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: today Luckin's become the dominant coffee retailer in the country. 29 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: And it's done that with the mix of creative products, 30 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: from its salty cream cheese and Ti latte to a 31 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: popular alcohol infused coffee. I think we should try. 32 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: It, Yeah, definitely, although might be a bit late for 33 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: caffeine and a bit early for alcohol, but. 34 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: You know, somewhere somewhere in the world, it's cocktail hour. 35 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: But LUs, the astronomical rise was unthinkable. At one point 36 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, the company was on the brink of 37 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: collapse after a major accounting scandal wiped out its stock value, 38 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: sending it into bankruptcy. 39 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 3: People really just thought, well, this company is done for. 40 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 3: They had to close a whole bunch of stores, and people, 41 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 3: I guess just really assumed that this company would just 42 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: be fading away. 43 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: Luck And not only survived, but it staged an extraordinary comeback. 44 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: Earlier this year, the company reported its fourth quarter earnings. 45 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: Total sales revenue in twenty twenty three reached three and 46 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: a half billion dollars in China, surpassing Starbucks for the 47 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: first time. 48 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 3: Luck and understand the local tastes and the local behavior 49 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 3: of consumers much better. And they have been very successful, 50 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 3: and the global giants have been on the backfoot, you know. 51 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 3: And whether you're talking about Nike, all Apple, all Stabucks, 52 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: you know, all of these companies have been humbled in 53 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: some ways in China. 54 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: Welcome to The Big Take Asia from Boomberg News. I'm 55 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: wanh Every week we take you inside some of the 56 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: world's biggest and most powerful economies and the markets, tycoons 57 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: and businesses that drive this ever shifting region. Today on 58 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: the show, how Luck and Coffee went from filing for 59 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: bankruptcy to beating a coffee titan like Starbucks in China, 60 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: and what It's Rocky Road says about competition in the 61 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: world's second largest consumer market. Luck in Coffee was founded 62 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen by Lu Chung Yao and Chiang chu ya. 63 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: At that time, they were working at a car rental 64 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: company called China Auto Renting Inc. Or car Inc. 65 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: Which Lou founded, so lu jiang Yao was already a 66 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 3: very successful entrepreneur, cause ink was really his most successful 67 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: venua and at the time tens Yeah, Jenny was a 68 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 3: very trusted executor of his team, and so she was 69 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 3: really the person who came up with the original idea 70 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: that there's a lack of coffee essentially in China. 71 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: In twenty eighteen, the average person in mainland China only 72 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: drank about three cups of coffee a year. That's far 73 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: off from at least three hundred cups per person in 74 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: the US. 75 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 3: China is a country of tea drinkers. It is really 76 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 3: difficult to find normal coffee when I was working and 77 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 3: living in China, you know, you wouldn't really be able 78 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 3: to wake up and order good coffee from a five 79 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 3: style hotel. It's just not like something that's embedded in 80 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: their everyday life. 81 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: Chien saw an opportunity. She quit her c sweet job 82 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: at car Inc. To chase your dream of building a 83 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: coffee empire, and her boss Lou wanted in. 84 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 3: How lu jangya reacted was that he was very supportive. 85 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 3: He wished it the best of luck, and he actually 86 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 3: invested money himself into luck In to become a co founder. 87 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: With Loo's endorsement, Luckin raised about two hundred million dollars 88 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: at the end of twenty eighteen. By that time, it 89 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: had already opened more than two thousand stores across China. 90 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: Chan and Lou used that money to open more stores 91 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: and kept the shops small and low cost, which was 92 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: a very different strategy from Starbucks. 93 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 3: Starbucks really has this idea of they think of their 94 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 3: cafes is what they call the third place, So it's 95 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 3: the place between home and office. You know, lush sofas, 96 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: just a really like pleasant music playing in the background. 97 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: Luck And took another approach. 98 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 3: Most of their stores were just tiny little kiosks, definitely 99 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 3: not a place to lounge. Just think about, you know, 100 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: the classics sort of young twenty something Chinese professional, you know, 101 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 3: rushing to work and just really needing to wake up, 102 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 3: just needing to grab something on the goal so that 103 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 3: she'll be on for her first meeting. And that's what 104 00:05:58,640 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 3: luck It is. 105 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: So it's basically I guess you can get in terms 106 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: of store. 107 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 3: Right, but that's because they're focused was so much on 108 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: mobile and takeaways. 109 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: Rachel says. Luck And also capitalized on China's largely cashless society. 110 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 3: So you know, you could order on the app, pick 111 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 3: whatever I want, pay everything's on the app, right, and 112 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 3: then you could literally just go to the store and 113 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 3: then pick it up, or you can have delivery which 114 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 3: would be so quick, you know, less than ten minutes. 115 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 3: And essentially, if you didn't want to, you don't have 116 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 3: to speak to any human being at all. 117 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: And doubling down on digitalization not only saved customers time, 118 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: it also saved luck And a lot of money for them. 119 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 3: It was really about innovation around the back end. 120 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 2: Right. 121 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 3: They would use these digital systems to manage staff, to 122 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 3: manage inventory. That cut down a lot in costs, a 123 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 3: lot in labor, and a lot in turn around time. 124 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: That lean, digital forward approach help the company keep the 125 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: cost of its products down. Today, the average latte from 126 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: luck And costs about eleven y that's less than two dollars. 127 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: Here's how Luckin's chief strategy officer, right Out Shakol describes 128 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: its positioning in the market in an interview with Bloomberg 129 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. 130 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,679 Speaker 2: If you look at the product, it's a premium product. 131 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 3: If you look at the price, it's a mass market price, 132 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: and that's where I think our model is unique because 133 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 3: we can do both. 134 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: After an IPO in twenty nineteen that raised more than 135 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: half a billion dollars, Luckin's growth accelerated, and within three 136 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: years of its launch, it was operating about forty five 137 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: hundred stores in China, from top cities like Shanghai and 138 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: Shinzen to more remote places like Shinjug. But its success 139 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't last long. 140 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 3: So in twenty twenty, Muddy Waters, which is cousin blocks 141 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 3: short selling firm, put out a tweet saying that they 142 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 3: had received a whistle blower report on how Luckin was 143 00:07:54,360 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 3: fabricating transactions and that really just everything just unravel from that. 144 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: After the whistleblower report, the US Securities and Exchange Commission 145 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: investigated and charged Luckin with defrauding its investors and fabricating 146 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: transactions to inflate its revenue. In the wake of the investigations, 147 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: Luckin's shares plunged. At its IPO, Luckin was valued at 148 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 1: nearly three billion dollars. About a month after the fraud 149 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: allegations came to light, the company's value tumbled to about 150 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: seven hundred million dollars, and in twenty twenty one, Luckin 151 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: filed for bankruptcy. 152 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 3: Everybody left this company foot dead, so it did seem like, 153 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 3: you know, the end of the luck And story. 154 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 2: But it wasn't. 155 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: After the break, Luckin bounces back. After an accounting fraud scandal, 156 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: luck and Coffee was on the edge of collapse. It 157 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: filed for bankruptcy in New York in February of twenty 158 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: twenty one and agreed to pay a one hundred eighty 159 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 1: million dollar penalty to settle the case with the US 160 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: Securities in Exchange Commission, But shortly after someone stepped in 161 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: with a helping hand. 162 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 3: David Lee is the chairman of Centurium Capital, very close 163 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,599 Speaker 3: to the founder, lu Jung Yao. He was one of 164 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 3: the original investors in the Ka Inc rental startup that 165 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 3: made Lose Fortune. 166 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: David Lee's admiration for Luckin's founder. Lu Jung Yao was 167 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: well known in the industry, and he believed in Luckin's 168 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: business model. Lee's private equity company, Centurium Capital, doubled down 169 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: on its investment in the coffee chain. It stepped in 170 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: with two hundred and forty million in twenty twenty one, 171 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 1: which helped clear Luckin's legal fees and fines. Luckin also 172 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: underwent a major shakeup. Despite David Lee's personal connection with Lou, 173 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: he decided that Luckin needed new leadership to stem the crisis, 174 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: according to sources at the time, so in twenty twenty, 175 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: Chian and Lub, the founders of Luckin, were replaced by 176 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: new executives, and by twenty twenty two, Centurium became Luckin's 177 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: controlling shareholder. 178 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 3: Centriium also put in its own people to help luck 179 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 3: and turn things around, closing down stores, hiring executives, and 180 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 3: also very importantly helping Luckin put in a franchise system 181 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 3: which allowed it to expand stores easily and quickly. 182 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: With Centurium steering the ship, Luckin emerged from bankruptcy in 183 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: April twenty twenty two, just fourteen months after filing for protection, 184 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: and its small stores were ideal as China adjusted to 185 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: COVID measures. 186 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 3: COVID in China was pretty much a really bad thing 187 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 3: for all consumer businesses because China was so strict about COVID. 188 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 3: You know, they just these huge lockedouts. But then what 189 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 3: was quite interesting was that its business model really insulated 190 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: it from the worst of COVID, you know, these bad bones, 191 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: contactless mobile payment, these kinds of takeout where you didn't 192 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 3: have to talk to another human being. 193 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 2: It was actually perfect for covid. 194 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: Luckin took its new lease on life and went even bigger. 195 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: On top of cementing its business strategy and setting itself 196 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: apart from competitors, the company released new best selling items. 197 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: The coconut latte we tried earlier, for example, accounts for 198 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: around seventy percent of sales at some stores, and its 199 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: alcohol infused Malti lat sold five point four million cups 200 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: on the first day of its launch, bringing in nearly 201 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: fourteen million dollars in sales. Rachel says a lot of 202 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: these out of the box concoctions have created buzz on 203 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: platforms like TikTok and shaohong Shu, China's equivalent of Instagram. 204 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 3: I think they were just really smart with innovating around 205 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 3: the local consumer tastes and doing these like really catchy, 206 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: consumer friendly collaborations, right. So the Maltai thing, they just 207 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 3: always go viral with new things, right, and that's just 208 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 3: so important in the really competitive Chinese consumer market, Like 209 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: are you able to get attention? 210 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: Luckin's now grown to more than eighteen thousand stores across China. 211 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: That's roughly double from twenty twenty three. Starbucks, in comparison, 212 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: has just over seven thousand, and last year, Luckin opened 213 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: more stores than Starbucks has ever done in China. 214 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 3: You know, Starbucks is kind of facing a broader challenge, 215 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 3: a broader struggle. They're not just struggling in Chinay're struggling 216 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 3: around the world as well. Earlier this year, Starbucks issued 217 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 3: a profit warning that was so bad that found out 218 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 3: how It Shelts was technically retired, wrote this letter and 219 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 3: put it on LinkedIn. Talked about things that stop us 220 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 3: needs to do better. One of them was mobile ordering 221 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: and payment, which exactly the thing that Luckin and Chinese 222 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: companies do so well. 223 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: Starbucks isn't the only competitor chasing after Luckin's success. After 224 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: found Lu and Chin were forced out of the company, 225 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: they went on to start a rival chain in twenty 226 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: twenty two called Kadi. Their brand already has nearly seven 227 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: thousand stores nationwide. That same year, KFC opened its first 228 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: takeaway only coffee outlet, k Coffee and Rachel says with 229 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: KFC's own delivery network and even cheaper prices, k coffee 230 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: is one of the biggest threats to Luck in so, Rachel, 231 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: we have all these coffee newcomers in China fighting to 232 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: sell a cheap cup that's also easy and quick to 233 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: get right. So, how sustainable is luck and success? I mean, 234 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: especially if it's customers are really just loyal to the 235 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: next cheapest coffee. 236 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 3: I think that is the question around Luck, and now 237 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 3: that it's become so successful with the expansion, and now 238 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 3: that it's come back from the brink, is is the 239 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 3: Luck and brand strong enough? Is the more to the 240 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 3: Luck and brand than just being cheap and being everywhere? Right, 241 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: because being cheap and being everywhere is a game that 242 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 3: lots of chains can play. Is that brand loyalty or 243 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 3: could they easily just be overtaken by Luck? In version two, 244 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 3: when we talked to this former senior vice president, you know, 245 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 3: he would say he talked about how their ambition was 246 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,239 Speaker 3: always to sell coffee in the countryside, you know, imagining 247 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 3: farmers and deep your nana weather, you know, sipping coffee 248 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 3: on their break. I think it's a nice narrative. Not 249 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 3: quite there yet, not quite there yet, but at least. 250 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: For now, Lucking is still the company to beat in 251 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: China while it continues to launch new stores and new 252 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: drinks like that alcohol infused Maltai latte, and they're still 253 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: packing up punch. 254 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: Maybe put the ice maybe a bit too much. 255 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,239 Speaker 1: Ice doesn't taste very alcoholic, And it's just the fragrance 256 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: of it, like it's you can smell it from here, yeah, 257 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: but actually you don't taste it. 258 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 2: No, well, I feel it a little bit now. 259 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 3: It's definitely a light bud going on already. 260 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: It's very. 261 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: This is The Big Take Asia from Bloomberg News. 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