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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 2: A young dad executed, ambushed and executed, motive hatred, pure seething,

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Speaker 2: jealousy that he had moved on with his life with

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Speaker 2: a new wife and new children, and his ex wife seething.

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Speaker 3: But I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: Her parents are multi millionaires, she lives off them, She.

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Speaker 3: Has a new husband herself.

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Speaker 2: Why all the anger, the bitterness, the resentment. Why, according

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Speaker 2: to the state, did she order the assassination of her

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Speaker 2: ex husband, leaving four children without a dad?

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Speaker 3: Well guess what.

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Speaker 2: In the latest the state is seeking the death penalty

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Speaker 2: on her. And when I say her, I'm referring to

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Speaker 2: the ex wife, thirty six year old Shanna Gardner, who

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Speaker 2: right now is gnashing her teeth and switching her tail

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Speaker 2: behind bars.

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Speaker 3: Because she is the devil.

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Speaker 2: If these allegations are true, I'm it'sy grace.

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Speaker 3: This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here on Crime Stories

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Speaker 2: and on Serious XM one eleven.

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Speaker 3: A lot happening in the case. First of all, listen

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Speaker 3: to this, Jared.

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Speaker 4: We shouldn't be here today. You should be making us

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Speaker 4: laugh and spending time with your family. Your siblings miss

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Speaker 4: you every day. There is a pain in our hearts

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Speaker 4: that will never go away. Your parents miss you, your

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Speaker 4: wife misses you, your children miss you.

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Speaker 5: This investigation has uncovered the truth of Jared's murder. Henry

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Speaker 5: Tennant did not act alone, Mario Fernandez did not plan alone,

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Speaker 5: and Shanna Gardner's indictment acknowledges her central and key role

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Speaker 5: in the cold, calculated and premeditated murder of Jared Bright Again.

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Speaker 6: Henry Tennan has admitted to being the person that shot

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Speaker 6: and killed Jared Bride Again, but investigators knew all along

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Speaker 6: that he didn't act alone. Once the death penalty was

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Speaker 6: on the table, sixty one year old Henry Tennon plead

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Speaker 6: be guilty to second degree murder and agreed to testify

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Speaker 6: against those who participated in the crime, Mario Fernandez and

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Speaker 6: his wife, Shanna Gardner Fernandez.

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Speaker 2: Shanna Gardner the ex of the murder victim who was

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Speaker 2: ambush at night on a one way road. She arranged

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Speaker 2: the placing of a giant tire in the middle of

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Speaker 2: that very narrow road so Jared would have to get

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Speaker 2: out and move it to get around.

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Speaker 3: She knew he would be on that road because he

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Speaker 3: had just.

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Speaker 2: Dropped off their children after a visit it was when

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Speaker 2: he got out of the car with his little two

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Speaker 2: year old girl strapped in a safety seat in the

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Speaker 2: back seat to move that tire. He was gunned down

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Speaker 2: in the car calling out for daddy. We are bringing

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Speaker 2: you the very latest in the case that has been

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Speaker 2: tunneled the Microsoft exec murder. That's referring to the victim

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Speaker 2: in this case, Jared Bright again thirty three years old,

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Speaker 2: shot dead, leaving behind his wife Kristen, their daughters Brexley

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Speaker 2: in London, and boy girl twins, with the first wife

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Speaker 2: now on facing trial for murder. Those twins Abby and

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Speaker 2: Liam joining me and all start panel to make sense

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Speaker 2: of what we know right now.

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Speaker 3: But first I want to go.

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Speaker 2: To a renowned family lawyer as they call it. There

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Speaker 2: couldn't be a bigger euphemism than a family lawyer, because

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Speaker 2: when you're in family court for is gonna fly over

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Speaker 2: divorcing custody. Kathleen Murphy, you can find her at Inseadomestic

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Speaker 2: law dot com. You've seen a lot of cases and

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Speaker 2: many of them actually deal with domestic violence.

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Speaker 7: Yes I have, Nancy, You've got to really.

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Speaker 3: Hate your ex to put out a hit on him.

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Speaker 8: You know, some people have absolutely no ability to compromise.

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Speaker 8: I just finished a five day trial on Wake County, Raleigh,

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Speaker 8: and it was ridiculously insane at how this mother perceived

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Speaker 8: this wonderful father and the evidence that was clogging the

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Speaker 8: court system unnecessarily, Like, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: Just don't tell me that much? What was it about?

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Speaker 8: A woman came into court and said that the husband

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Speaker 8: yelled at her in twenty nineteen, and as a result,

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Speaker 8: she built a case against him as a domestic violence abuser.

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Speaker 8: The evidence that was put forth showed that she was

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Speaker 8: an instigator of domestic violence.

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Speaker 3: Did you say he yelled at her in twenty nineteen?

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Speaker 3: That was the stars.

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Speaker 2: I'd be hauled in the court all the time if

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Speaker 2: David took me to trial every time I yelled. I

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Speaker 2: try to yell, not when the twins are around. In fact,

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Speaker 2: I don't think I ever have.

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Speaker 3: But yelling does happen.

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Speaker 8: It's just indicative.

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Speaker 2: Yelling happens, right, I haven't landed in domestic court. Guys,

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Speaker 2: what happened to Jared Bright again?

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Speaker 3: And what's the latest in the case? Joining me right now?

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Speaker 2: Ray Caputa, an investigative reporter, and a professor at but

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Speaker 2: then took me in university.

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Speaker 3: Ray take a listen to this.

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Speaker 9: So Jared and Shanna had fifty to fifty custody of

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Speaker 9: Liam and Abbey, so every other week they were with

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Speaker 9: the alternating parents. So when they were with their mom,

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Speaker 9: Jared would pick them up every Wednesday that she hasn't

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Speaker 9: take them out on what was referred to a date nights,

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Speaker 9: and then when they were at our home for the week,

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Speaker 9: Shannon would come to our house and pick them up

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Speaker 9: Wednesday nights before date night. You know, every single week.

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Speaker 9: Our youngest daughter, London had started going to bed, you know,

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Speaker 9: we're doing sleep training, and she would go to bed,

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Speaker 9: you know, before seven pm. So I wasn't on date

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Speaker 9: nights with Jared and kids, but Bexley always went with him.

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Speaker 9: She was always there. And so he had called me

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Speaker 9: right after he dropped him an Abbey off at their

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Speaker 9: mom's house and just said we had a good date night.

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Speaker 9: Bexley said that they got ice cream and she was

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Speaker 9: still eating it, and then you know she said a

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Speaker 9: kao love, You'll see soon. And then time kept going

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Speaker 9: and I started to feel on easy. I kept looking

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Speaker 9: He's always home by now. Something's not right.

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Speaker 10: London is too young to know anything. Bexley is older.

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Speaker 3: She was there.

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Speaker 10: She's been part of this since they decided to kill

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Speaker 10: her father and of her. I have to keep it

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Speaker 10: in simple terms because she's only four.

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Speaker 1: She knows that two.

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Speaker 10: Bad guys have been put in jail. In this morning,

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Speaker 10: I was able to.

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Speaker 3: Tell her that.

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Speaker 10: Who she refers to as the mean mom is going

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Speaker 10: to be in jail as well. A life was taken

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Speaker 10: and countless lives are impacted by that. So I believe

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Speaker 10: that the harshest punishment is justified.

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Speaker 2: Here you are hearing Kristen Bride again, the widow of

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Speaker 2: Jared Brighte again.

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Speaker 3: The death penalty is on the table. Take a listen

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Speaker 3: to our cut thirty.

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Speaker 10: The state of Florida is here.

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Speaker 11: Why you've noticed to the defendant of the State of Florida,

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Speaker 11: Florida intends to see the death penalty for the first

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Speaker 11: three murder charged in the unitement. First, the defendant was

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Speaker 11: previously convicted of another capital felony or xlony involving the

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Speaker 11: use of red violence to a person sub sex.

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Speaker 12: You be subsection as the.

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Speaker 11: Cabal selling committed for pecuniary gain Subsection I cabital shellings

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Speaker 11: a homicide, and he's committed in a cold, calculated and

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Speaker 11: premeditated manner without any pretense of.

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Speaker 3: Moral or legal justification.

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Speaker 2: To Ray Caputo, us get a reporter and professor Ray,

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Speaker 2: have you seen Shanna Gardner's mugshot? She is smirking. I

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Speaker 2: can't wait for the jury to say this smirking. She's

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Speaker 2: charged with murder and she's smirking.

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Speaker 3: What's that?

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Speaker 13: I'm not sure, Nancy. It's it's a pretty serious series

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Speaker 13: of crimes that that she's been charged with. And there's nothing,

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Speaker 13: you know.

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Speaker 12: Funny about this.

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Speaker 13: I don't know if she's smirking because she believes she

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Speaker 13: didn't do it. But her her ex husband, the father

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Speaker 13: of her two twin children, is still dead.

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Speaker 12: So there's absolutely this.

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Speaker 13: No, this is no joking matters. And Shanna is in

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Speaker 13: a lot, a lot of trouble right now. Again, you

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Speaker 13: said she could face the death penalty.

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Speaker 2: You know, doctor Angela Arnold, I am always amazed at

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Speaker 2: what certain defendants will do. For instance, I tried one

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Speaker 2: guy for murder, a shooting, a shooting murder, and he

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Speaker 2: came into court in front of the jury and guess

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Speaker 2: what was carved into the back of his hair?

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Speaker 3: What hit man number one?

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Speaker 12: Oh, my goodness.

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Speaker 2: And so every chance I got, I would walk past

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Speaker 2: the defense council table and beyond it, so the defendant

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Speaker 2: would turn and look that way, and I'd stay there

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Speaker 2: as long as I could, so the defendantuld be looking

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Speaker 2: that way, so the jury could see the back of

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Speaker 2: his head where he had hit man number one shaved

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Speaker 2: into his hair, and he was on trial for murder.

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Speaker 2: Just an example would be doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist joining.

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Speaker 3: Us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction.

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Speaker 2: You can find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com

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Speaker 2: doctor ANGI why the smirk in the mugshot?

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Speaker 7: Well, Nancy, let's not forget. This woman has been ascribed

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Speaker 7: a very wealthy home, but those wealthy pearents are still

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Speaker 7: taking care of her. So it's in my estimation, she

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Speaker 7: has never suffered any consequences for anything she's ever done

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Speaker 7: in her life. They've probably always bailed her out, so

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Speaker 7: she cannot even comprehend the consequences of her actions because

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Speaker 7: in all likelihoods, she's never suffered a consequence. So she

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Speaker 7: just internally feels like, at her core, somebody's going to

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Speaker 7: get her out of this, and that's why the spark.

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Speaker 2: So you believe because her parents were truly loaded, I

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Speaker 2: mean rolling in money and they still are, that she

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Speaker 3: You may be right.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut eight from crime online

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Speaker 2: dot Com.

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Speaker 6: The former personal trainer said Shanna Gardner Fernandez, whose family

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Speaker 6: owns the multimillion dollar paper craft company called Stamping Up,

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Speaker 6: told him that she and Bride Again were separated for

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Speaker 6: months when their sessions allegedly took an unprofessional turn. The instructor,

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Speaker 6: who asked that his name be withheld to protect his privacy, said, quote,

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Speaker 6: they weren't really speaking. They were living in opposite ends

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Speaker 6: of the house. She said she had grown up Mormon

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Speaker 6: and didn't want that anymore. Bride Again, on the other hand,

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Speaker 6: remained a devout member of the Church of Jesus Christ

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Speaker 6: of Latter day Saints.

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Speaker 2: So you hear the heiress to a multimillion dollar fortune

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Speaker 2: claiming that she didn't start a sex relationship until after

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Speaker 2: she and her husband were divorced. And there the lover

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Speaker 2: is saying, well, they were actually still living together when

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Speaker 2: we cranked it up. So what if any significance does

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Speaker 2: that have? Is she lying to everybody else and herself?

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Speaker 2: To Kathleen Murphy? You deal with this all the time

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Speaker 2: as a domestic lawyer. What is she painting a picture

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Speaker 2: she wants us to see? Who cares if she slept

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Speaker 3: I don't care. I care about who killed her husband.

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Speaker 8: At you two, Candancy, And when you go into domestic court,

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Speaker 8: the standards are so different from the criminal standards, and

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Speaker 8: you see so much of that criminal behavior and the

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Speaker 8: criminal tendencies, and you worry for your client safety every time.

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Speaker 2: Just thinking through everything that's happened, and how many lies

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Speaker 2: this woman has told. We are talking about this so

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Speaker 2: called Microsoft exec murder trial.

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Speaker 3: That exec is a father of for a young father.

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Speaker 2: For he's thirty three, four children, and the night of

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Speaker 3: That's what's important here.

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Speaker 2: You can find him on YouTube on the interview Room channel. Chris.

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Speaker 2: She's just given me so much motive. Of course, the

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Speaker 2: hard facts of the case Chris McDonough. He just leaves

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Speaker 12: It's definitely and you know the old saying, if I

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Speaker 3: What do you mean by that place?

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Speaker 12: Well, I think you know that. To your point, this

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Speaker 12: So I would suspect they're going to use social media phones,

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Speaker 1: Here time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: From what I can understand, from what I'm hearing, Raikipudo,

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Speaker 2: has rolled over on both the ex wife Shandon Gardner

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Speaker 13: Henry Tennant, it didn't take him long, but he in

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Speaker 13: So and Henry Tennant again was associated with Shanna Gardner's

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Speaker 13: So they had a relationship and you know, tie all

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Speaker 3: It's not too hard, guys.

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Speaker 3: Take a listener, Cut twenty nine. All right, ear.

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Speaker 14: Case, we as relieve are not guilty in the mascots time.

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Speaker 11: This morning, the state has filed and provide to counsel

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Speaker 2: County are here Jose Bias speaking for his client in court,

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Speaker 6: In twenty eleven, Jose Bias was an unknown lawyer when

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Speaker 6: The court case was followed by millions of Americans nationwide

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Speaker 2: To Chris McDonald, what does this mean that Biaz has

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Speaker 2: She was convicted that should have been a guilty plea

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Speaker 2: they went to a trial. She was mocked and ridiculed

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Speaker 2: But Gira Goos has the aura of being a waning

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Speaker 3: Christma Dunna.

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Speaker 12: You know, Nancy, you've worked among the brightest of these

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Speaker 12: I mean you've seen these guys, the charisma that they

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Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, Giragos has charisma. I don't give

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Speaker 3: And he is a good lawyer. He knows the law charisma.

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Speaker 2: And you know who else was like that, Johnny Cochrane.

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Speaker 2: I disagree with everything he ever said, but I learned

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Speaker 3: He just was that guy then.

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Speaker 2: he really did, and that goes a long way with

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Speaker 3: What you have to say.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they liked me or hated me,

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So what does this mean for Shanna Gardner on trial

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Speaker 3: Oh, the father of four children. You know as much.

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Speaker 3: And we've talked about this off cam Chris McDonough.

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Speaker 2: As much as I get irritated with David doing this

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Speaker 3: What did he say the other day? I think I

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Speaker 2: I love the twins And what would it do to

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Speaker 2: would be awful not to have your father or a

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Speaker 3: It changes everything.

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Speaker 12: It certainly does. And when you take that power of

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Speaker 12: I think we're going to see him try this case

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Speaker 2: Oh, dear Lord in heaven, you know what wash your

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Speaker 2: mouth out was, Soper?

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Speaker 3: Come do it for you? Have you lost your mind?

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Speaker 2: The murder Vidom becomes the bag. Oh hey, I remember

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Speaker 2: what the word was. He said, It's just anecdotal, I said,

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Speaker 2: And so we thought about that for thirty minutes before

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Speaker 3: Okay, so of course they don't care that said.

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Speaker 2: I don't want him dead yet anyway, I'm just.

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Speaker 3: Trying to figure out.

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Speaker 2: Also, so somehow Chris McDonough has found a way to

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Speaker 2: bad guy in this scenario. Doctor Todd M. Barr joining

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Speaker 2: Featured in Thin Places Essays from in Between by Jordan Kissner.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Barr, Let's just get a little reality chick here.

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Speaker 2: What happened to Jared Bright?

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Speaker 3: Again? Shot multiple times? Died in the dark, lying in

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Speaker 2: Probably the last sound he heard screaming for dad he

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Speaker 3: What did he suffer?

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Speaker 14: Doctor, It's just unimaginable. I cannot even imagine, you know

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Speaker 16: I do believe it was multiple times. Correct, Yes, So

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Speaker 16: let's hope maybe one of them went through his brainstem

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Speaker 3: Okay, stop, doctor Barr.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, see, I understand what you just said, and I agree,

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Speaker 16: I just think that he didn't suffer exactly.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, you know what, Doctor Barr, I

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Speaker 2: get it, and I agree with you. Can I tell

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Speaker 3: How many times I've wondered if my fiancee, Keith.

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Speaker 2: Felt everything that happened to him. He was shot five

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Speaker 2: he didn't feel. He didn't feel that he was just

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Speaker 2: I know he was still physically alive. His body was

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Speaker 16: So he was feeling, he could feel all the way

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Speaker 3: Yes, jump in place.

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Speaker 12: You know, right, we're all thinking rationally here. But can

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Speaker 3: What did you just call her by her first name.

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Speaker 2: You're on a first name basis, now, what You're gonna

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Speaker 12: You know, Karen corrects me on my words all the

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Speaker 12: boyfriend making mocking pictures of his death, I mean, that's

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Speaker 12: what did you just say?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 12: There's a photograph taken. It's a selfie where the boyfriend

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Speaker 12: and she are laying on the ground making these concoction

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Speaker 12: faces as if he was dead post his homicide. It's

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Speaker 12: unbelievable because so can you imagine that moment. I mean,

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Speaker 12: we're thinking about normal people going, Holy cow, you know,

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Speaker 12: I hope that man doesn't suffer. But on the other

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Speaker 12: side of the coin, they're taking selfies about his death

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Speaker 12: on the ground and making these facial features. You've got

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Speaker 12: to see the photograph. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 16: That's a hate that you can't even explain.

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Speaker 3: Wait, who is this.

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Speaker 16: Doctor Barr?

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Speaker 3: Doctor Barr jump in place.

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Speaker 16: No, that's a hatred that that you that's an evil,

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Speaker 16: that's evil, that is pure evil.

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Speaker 8: You know, Nancy, Can Kathleen Murphy jump in here for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to talk about the selfie that Chris

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Speaker 2: mcdonna is talking about. I'm not sure what that selfie

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Speaker 2: really depicts, sure.

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Speaker 8: But I have to say that I see a lot

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Speaker 8: of this mental health behavior. I get a lot of

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Speaker 8: vibes of borderline personality disorder from Gardner. Are you as

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Speaker 8: rage I feel like I am Aton for thirty five years.

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Speaker 8: I see the behaviors and the fact that she has

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Speaker 8: these trenetic efforts to avoid abandonment by Jerry, the litigation,

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Speaker 8: the robo calling, the behaviors that she exhibits are so

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Speaker 8: typical in these high conflict cases, and when you look

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Speaker 8: at the domestic sciolagues in their case, it is that rageous.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen to Jared Brodigan's widow.

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Speaker 9: It was very combative over a flew of things. You know,

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Speaker 9: one week of this, the next month it's something else.

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Speaker 9: She took us to court often, as the record will show,

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Speaker 9: and one thing that just continually surprised us and our

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Speaker 9: attorney was the language that was used in the motions filed.

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Speaker 9: It was not professional. It had outrageous claims such as

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Speaker 9: the father doesn't care if his child lives or dies,

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Speaker 9: which is absolutely false, and these are just so skewed.

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Speaker 9: It was just shocking that they would even put that

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Speaker 9: type of language in something, especially when it was based

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Speaker 9: on life absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 15: You know, every time we were dragged back to court

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Speaker 15: over the dumbest things, things that we had tried to

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Speaker 15: work out via email or text, we asked ourselves the

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Speaker 15: same question, and like, why can't we have a good

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Speaker 15: coparenting relationship. Why can't we just focus on the kids

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Speaker 15: being happy? Why can't she be happy in her life

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Speaker 15: and we'd be happy in ours. I wish I knew,

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Speaker 15: but I don't know what goes on inside of her head.

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Speaker 15: I think that would be a very dark place to be,

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Speaker 15: and I just I don't know.

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Speaker 8: Go ahead, be the behaviors. This happened in my hometown.

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Speaker 8: My sister lives seven blocks away from where this happened,

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Speaker 8: and the tragedy of this happening in my hometown resonates

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Speaker 8: with me because everybody wants their hometown to be safe,

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Speaker 8: and this woman and her cohorts created such a local tragedy.

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Speaker 2: They really did, and then she immediately left town and moved.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen our cut thirty two from Crime Online.

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Speaker 6: Arrested in Washington State in August, Shanna Gardner was finally

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Speaker 6: extradited back to Florida, where she faces charges in a

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Speaker 6: murder for hire plot to kill her ex husband. Gardner

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Speaker 6: will be tried together with her current husband, Mario Fernandez Saldana.

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Speaker 6: Both are accused of hiring a hit man to gun

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Speaker 6: down Jerry brid Again, the Microsoft executive and ex husband

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Speaker 6: of Gardner writing and was killed execution style in front

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Speaker 6: of his small daughter after being lured out of his

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Speaker 6: car with Debrison the road on his way home.

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Speaker 2: To Ray Caapudo, joining US investigative reporter and professor Bethune

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Speaker 2: Cookman University Ray. She actually fought extradition. Extradition is very simple.

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Speaker 2: All it is is are you Shannon Gardner?

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Speaker 3: Are you that person?

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Speaker 2: And if she refuses to answer, which she can, all

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Speaker 2: you do is do a fingerprint comparison. I've taken that

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Speaker 2: print right there in court and analyze it myself and went, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: these matches that's her. And then you produce a governor's

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Speaker 2: writ which is basically an arrest.

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Speaker 3: Warrant from another state. That's all you do. It's not

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Speaker 3: about guilt or innocence.

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Speaker 2: It's not about transport, it's not about anything except those

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Speaker 2: two things.

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Speaker 3: Are you Shannon Gardner?

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Speaker 2: And is there a governor's writ want for you to

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Speaker 2: be returned to the jurisdiction where the murder occurred?

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Speaker 3: That's it. That's all she fought that, right, Did she

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Speaker 3: fight that? Rig Beuto?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, Well, Nancy, you got to understand it. She where

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Speaker 13: she's from in Washington, it's kind of an insulated environment

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Speaker 13: for her. She you know, came from a wealthy family

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Speaker 13: that has a well known business. She when she went

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Speaker 13: back to Washington, she moved into a one million dollar home. So,

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Speaker 13: you know, I think that she probably feels that coming

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Speaker 13: back to Florida is detrimental to her. But that's, yeah,

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Speaker 13: besides the point, because the law says that, you know,

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Speaker 13: this is what's got to happen. So I understand why

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Speaker 13: she's doing it, But it seems like it's kind of

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Speaker 13: like a hail Mary path to you know, just again

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Speaker 13: to position herself to try to get through whatever's you know,

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Speaker 13: coming her way.

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Speaker 2: Time stories with Nancy Grace, would you consider that to

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Speaker 2: be evidence of flight. Kathleen Murphy. As soon as the

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Speaker 2: trigger man is the rest is, she takes off across

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Speaker 2: the country.

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Speaker 8: Oh, it's evidence of so much. It's evidence of light,

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Speaker 8: it's evidence of disregard, it's evidence of her mental illness.

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Speaker 8: It is evidence that her parents provide and over provide

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Speaker 8: for her.

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Speaker 3: Whoa what mental illness? Shannon Gardner doesn't have a mental illness.

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Speaker 8: That we know of, but her behaviors are indicative to

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Speaker 8: me that those behaviors are not normal, socially acceptable behavior.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a far, far cry from a mental illness. Doctor,

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Speaker 2: Angie Arnold, you're the shrink jump in.

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Speaker 7: Well, we don't want to we don't want to confuse

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Speaker 7: a personality disorder with a mental illness. Okay, and I

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Speaker 7: completely agree that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well you just did what's a personality disorder?

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Speaker 7: Would be the borderline personality disorder?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think you have a personality disorder?

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Speaker 2: Me.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, what do you mean?

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Speaker 3: You always seem to think you know everything about psychiatry.

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Speaker 7: Well, let's hope I do, Nancy, or I wouldn't be

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Speaker 7: on your show.

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Speaker 2: You're so right, But when we throw around the term

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Speaker 2: crazy and mental illness, this woman is not suffering from

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Speaker 2: a mental illness. She's a cold calculated killer who orchestrated

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Speaker 2: this plot.

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Speaker 3: According to prosecutors.

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Speaker 7: That is and you know what, just because she works

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Speaker 7: under a personality disorder, which I'm sure she does, Okay,

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Speaker 7: that does not make her mentally ill.

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Speaker 2: What kind of personality or disorder if she had one?

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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that she did because I disagree.

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Speaker 2: I think she just the devil?

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Speaker 3: What would it mean?

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Speaker 7: It would be borderline personality disorder, which is an access

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Speaker 7: to disorder when we describe patients.

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Speaker 2: Oh, dear lord, what disorder?

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Speaker 3: Which disorder? Is she a NARCISSI? Is a is she?

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Speaker 7: Actually it's in the same cluster, which is called a

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Speaker 7: cluster b oh Der person.

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Speaker 2: And that point you just keep spouting out psychobabble. What

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Speaker 2: is an example of a personality disorder that she might have?

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Speaker 7: Borderline personality disorder is what she most likely has, as

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Speaker 7: has already been described. That is a that is a

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Speaker 7: personality disorder, Nancy. It's in the same cluster as narcissism

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Speaker 7: and histrionic personality disorders.

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Speaker 3: And I just gave you those two answers. Can't you

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Speaker 3: think of anything on.

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Speaker 7: Your own sweet heard. What I'm telling you is borderline

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Speaker 7: personality disorder is in that same cluster. So they all

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Speaker 7: have a lot of things in common. In all likelihood,

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Speaker 7: this woman does have borderline personality disorder. That's the personality

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Speaker 7: disorder she has. That does not make her, that does

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Speaker 7: not make her mentally ill.

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Speaker 2: Did she know right and wrong at the time of

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Speaker 2: That's really all that matters, Okay, Kathleen Murphy.

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Speaker 3: Let me throw a couple of questions to you.

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Speaker 2: If the state is right and all of these are

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Speaker 2: just allegations, she has pled not guilty. And as a

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Speaker 2: high priced lawyer representing her, whose bay is he got

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Speaker 2: taught mom off?

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Speaker 3: So that says a lot.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that the trigger man who has pled

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Speaker 2: guilty says it was all her idea?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 12: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that immediately upon the arrest of the

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Speaker 2: trigger man, the defendant, the ex wife leaves the jurisdiction

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Speaker 2: and hides out on the other side of the country.

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Speaker 3: Yes, she did, And Kathleen.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it also true that the victim, Jerry Bride Again,

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Speaker 2: was gunned down within minutes after leaving her home on

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Speaker 2: a previously scheduled drop off of their tw and she

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Speaker 2: knew his route home.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that true?

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Speaker 16: That is true?

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Speaker 3: Guys, How did it all go down? What happened? Listen

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Speaker 3: to our cut too from crime Online.

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Speaker 6: Jared Bridigan had just dropped off his twins from previous

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Speaker 6: marriage with his axe and was taking a routine route home.

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Speaker 6: Right after he dropped off the twins, he called his wife, Kirsten,

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Speaker 6: told her they had a good day. A home security

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Speaker 6: camera nearby picked up gunshots that rang out around the

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Speaker 6: time Bridigan was murdered. His two year old daughter was

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Speaker 6: in the car when her father was killed. Her mother,

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Speaker 6: Kristen says, her daughter will only say boom, boom, boom,

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Speaker 6: and then she'll say daddy on the ground. The possible

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Speaker 6: clue was caught on a nearby surveillance camera a blue

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Speaker 6: Ford F one to fifty pickup truck, and that.

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Speaker 2: Ford F one fifty now linked back to the defendants.

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Speaker 2: And now listen again to Jared Bridigan's widow.

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Speaker 9: When my parents were our home and I remember telling

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Speaker 9: them like I know something's wrong, like something is not okay.

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Speaker 9: I kept calling and calling, I texted, and it's not

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Speaker 9: like him to not pick up, especially if he's in

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Speaker 9: the car like he's not doing something else, He's just driving.

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Speaker 9: He would answer his phone, started looking at traffic reports

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Speaker 9: to see if there was an accident or anything, and

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Speaker 9: wasn't seeing me. So I got in the car. I

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Speaker 9: took my mom with me and my dad stayed at

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Speaker 9: home with London, and started driving out to the beach

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Speaker 9: where I knew he had been last. You know, he'd

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Speaker 9: just dropped him an abbey off. That's the last point

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Speaker 9: I knew he was. So I started driving that way

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Speaker 9: and while I was driving, I kept calling his phone,

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Speaker 9: and after four or five tries, it picked up. But

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Speaker 9: it wasn't Jared, and it was a police officer who

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Speaker 9: just kept telling me to come to the station. As

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Speaker 9: I kept asking if my husband okay, if my husband okay,

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Speaker 9: and he said, please come to the Jacksonville Beach Police Department.

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Speaker 9: Your daughter's fine, But he would not answer me about

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Speaker 9: my husband, and that just confirmed to me Jared was

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Speaker 9: not okay. My mom was trying to call me down.

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Speaker 9: She said, maybe it's an accident. You know, we don't

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Speaker 9: know what happened.

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Speaker 15: But I knew.

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Speaker 9: I knew in my gut that Jared wasn't okay. And

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Speaker 9: when we got there, I saw Bexley and then it clicked.

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Speaker 9: I'm like, if this was a car accident, Bexley would

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Speaker 9: be taken to the hospital to get checked out. Like

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Speaker 9: this was not a car accident, because why is she

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Speaker 9: here at the station. And then it was a long night.

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Speaker 9: I had to wait a while until they confirmed that

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Speaker 9: Jared had been killed, talked to detective. I had to

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Speaker 9: call his family that night. So it was, you know,

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Speaker 9: like my whole world just came crashing down, and I

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Speaker 9: never remember the saint.

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Speaker 3: And now listen again time online.

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Speaker 6: Jared Bride Again was driving in his car with his

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Speaker 6: two year old daughter when he came upon a tire

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Speaker 6: in the road. Minutes later, he was dead. Drivers found

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00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 6: the thirty three year old Bride Again shot to death

677
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 6: next to his SUV, which was also struck by gunfire.

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00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 6: His two year old daughter was inside. Investigator's surprise, she

679
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 6: wasn't hit as well. Bradigan had his SUV's emergency flashers

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Speaker 6: on and a spare tire was in the road, which

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Speaker 6: is why police believe his killers set him up. Police

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00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 6: believed the tire was a lure to get Bridigen out

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Speaker 6: of his vehicle. The shooter was only three to four

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Speaker 6: feet away when Bridigham was shot. Nothing was stolen. Investigators

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00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 6: believe Jared Bridygham was targeted.

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Speaker 2: He was targeted, all right. More evidence probative in this

687
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 2: case linking the wife, the ex wife to the murder.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 6: Just twelve days after Jared Bradygan was gunned down in

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Speaker 6: front of his two year old daughter, his widow received

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Speaker 6: an email from his ex wife asking for his death certificate.

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Speaker 9: A lot of the time, she wouldn't even talk to

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Speaker 9: us without her attorney. She'd have her stay, talked to

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Speaker 9: my attorney, email my attorney. Yet she reaches out to

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Speaker 9: me personally asked for a death certificate that I don't

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Speaker 9: even have copies of yet. But I didn't have any

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Speaker 9: at that point in time. She already filed through her

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Speaker 9: attorney two days prior on the I think it was

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Speaker 9: the twenty fit if I'll have to double check that date. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: the twenty bits. You already filed a suggestion of death

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Speaker 9: with family court that was already done.

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Speaker 2: So, isn't it true, Kathleen Murphy, your veteran trial lawyer,

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Speaker 2: that actions taken immediately following the crime can be heard

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Speaker 2: by the jury, including You've got the wife planning her

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Speaker 2: husband's funeral, and then you've got the defendant calling for

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Speaker 2: a death certificate and even worse, wait, listen to this.

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Speaker 6: Eight minutes before sending an email message requesting the death

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Speaker 6: certificate of Jared Bridegan, his ex wife, Shanna Gardner Fernandez,

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Speaker 6: sent another email to Kriston Bright again. This email asked

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Speaker 6: the grieving widow to return a set of school library

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Speaker 6: books that were borrowed by the twins. Shanna wrote, quote,

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Speaker 6: you can drop them off at any public library and

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Speaker 6: they will return them to Miss Stacy or return them

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Speaker 6: to the school directly. Unquote. Christian Bridigan said that after

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Speaker 6: losing her husband in such a brutal way and only

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Speaker 6: twelve days earlier, returning a couple of library books wasn't

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Speaker 6: on her list of priorities at the time.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't understand this, Kathleen Murphy.

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Speaker 2: The woman is planning her husband's funeral and the ex

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Speaker 2: who is now the defendant in his murder is demanding

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Speaker 2: that she, the widow, return library books.

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Speaker 8: Speechless, speechless about that, And it's just a more indication

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Speaker 8: that her behaviors and her treatment of him during the

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Speaker 8: divorce process post divorced process continuing the litigation. She just

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Speaker 8: has no ability to have any compassion for this mother

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Speaker 8: who has lost her husband. It is very indicative of

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Speaker 8: guilt in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of jose Bias being in the case, here's another

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Speaker 2: strange coincidence. You remember, while little Keeley was missing, top

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Speaker 2: mom goes out and gets a tattoo that says in

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Speaker 2: English the sweet life.

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Speaker 3: She was now free and living the good life. Well,

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Speaker 3: a tattoo.

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Speaker 2: Tattoo parlor caused him to play in this case as

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Speaker 2: well with another of jose Bias's clients.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen to hour cut Tins.

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Speaker 6: The day after filing for divorce, Gardner Fernandez visited a

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Speaker 6: tattoo parlor to get a special piercing and listed her

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Speaker 6: trainer turned to Ledge Paramore as her emergency contact, according

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Speaker 6: to a waver obtained by Fox News Digital. At the time,

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Speaker 6: she and Bradigan were still living together. According to the

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Speaker 6: tattoo parlor employee, who didn't want to be named, during

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Speaker 6: a dinner, she had quote been talking to us about

744
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Speaker 6: her divorce and she told us her life could just

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Speaker 6: be better if he could just shut up, and asked

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Speaker 6: us if we knew anybody that could shut him up.

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Speaker 6: I did not take it at the time as anything nefarious.

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Speaker 6: In hindsight, I can see how that can be taken differently.

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Speaker 3: Now, good luck he's finding that away.

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Speaker 2: Jose Bias, the ex wife now turned murder defendant, as

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Speaker 2: asking at a tattoo parlor, Hey, you know anybody that

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Speaker 2: could shut my husband up.

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Speaker 3: Let's see how the jury takes that. We wait as

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Speaker 3: justice unfolds. Goodbye for me.