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Speaker 2: Here with my brother Marcella's row. How are you.

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Speaker 1: Did she show you how to put up the step?

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Speaker 1: And said, yes, she showed me and then put them

439
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Speaker 1: a step peep. He said, she showed you. We you

440
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Speaker 1: do a b C. No, No, I meant to actually

441
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Speaker 1: do the antel step, to do the snipper beach. The

442
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Speaker 1: cutting corners is what it's saying. Right, they don't want

443
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Speaker 1: to read information. They hate they're ansid. These are things

444
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Speaker 1: that will serve to be well my natural building. You know,

445
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Speaker 1: but you know they hate reading cash, you know, they

446
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Speaker 1: hate cat they hate information. They never wanted to get

447
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Speaker 1: the information.

448
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Speaker 2: Law school. You have to get the information.

449
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,679
Speaker 1: It's even hard for me because your eyes star blood

450
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Speaker 1: starts looking foreign, so it's a lot of information else.

451
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Speaker 5: They said, So Harola said about grading on the curve. Okay,

452
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Speaker 5: I'm just gonna be honest. I've heard my teachers say that.

453
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Speaker 5: You know that was in school. Still, like, I never

454
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Speaker 5: knew what that means. Wait, exactly does that mean when

455
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Speaker 5: you gray on the curve?

456
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Speaker 1: That's a great question because the way the lawyer in

457
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Speaker 1: the room, the student lawyer who was a three l

458
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Speaker 1: he to try to explain it kind of go to

459
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Speaker 1: what was them an offline. They explained stuff so complicated.

460
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Speaker 1: This is one of my students where I'm just making

461
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Speaker 1: real simple because he thought he was explaining, and all they.

462
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Speaker 2: Did was left people even more confused.

463
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Speaker 1: Because again, real smart people, which is most people then

464
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Speaker 1: not meet but most people are out there very very smart,

465
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Speaker 1: sometimes too smart, you know, for they could you know

466
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Speaker 1: what I mean, And it's hard to explain the bottom

467
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Speaker 1: line is what it's saying is we are competing with.

468
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Speaker 2: Each other, which is why people don't like the curve.

469
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Speaker 1: Your regular way upgrading is Marcella's grade is Marcella's grade.

470
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Speaker 2: You know the curve is gonna be the normal grade.

471
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Speaker 1: Just think about what we've just done all through high school, school, college,

472
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent.

473
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Speaker 2: You know, ninety two.

474
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Speaker 1: One hundred is a A eighty three B, yeah is

475
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Speaker 1: a B and so on, you know, seventy C and

476
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Speaker 1: then D and then M. The curve is basically saying,

477
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Speaker 1: because remember our class, what they call a cornhorse is

478
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Speaker 1: we're all going through this together. It's like when you

479
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Speaker 1: start a freshman class, say, you know, the ideas that

480
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Speaker 1: you're going freshmen sing, you know, sophomore, you know, until you.

481
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Speaker 2: Graduate high school.

482
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Speaker 1: College not necessarily same because even though you may start

483
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Speaker 1: with somebody, unless their traditional like Jada, you know her class,

484
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Speaker 1: she probably will. But when I started in college, I

485
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Speaker 1: wasn't starting, you know, like a traditional freshman.

486
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. So people I met, I'm

487
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Speaker 2: not necessarily people i'na graduate with.

488
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Speaker 1: I may switch my hours up, I may jump over here,

489
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Speaker 1: I may take this, I may take that. Law school

490
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Speaker 1: the way it's set up is very similar to like

491
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Speaker 1: high school. You know, you're in a class class of

492
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight or twenty twenty nine, and you guys

493
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Speaker 1: are going through this together. That was why I waited

494
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Speaker 1: until this moment in my life, because I needed to

495
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Speaker 1: be able to say do I have three years to

496
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Speaker 1: dedicate to this, not eight years that it took for

497
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Speaker 1: the Bachelor. You know, stop, start, come back, do this,

498
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Speaker 1: do that. Law school don't work that way. You need

499
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Speaker 1: to be able to start as stop. So iwever you

500
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Speaker 1: own a three year program or a four year program.

501
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Speaker 1: I'm saying all that to say is it's competitive meeting.

502
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Speaker 1: People want to be at the top of the class,

503
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Speaker 1: you know, especially full time. I want to be in

504
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Speaker 1: the top ten percent, of the top five percent or

505
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Speaker 1: the whatever percent that is. Well, that is determined based

506
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Speaker 1: upon if everybody's getting it. Let me give you a

507
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Speaker 1: very clear example. So if by when I'm training, which

508
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Speaker 1: we got training, y'all make sure y'all go listen to

509
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Speaker 1: the training. Uh, We're doing training three this week, and

510
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Speaker 1: I'm testing everybody to see do everybody understand you know

511
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Speaker 1: what I've talked so far? One two of course, one

512
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Speaker 1: course soup. We're gonna set up the percentage standard based

513
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Speaker 1: upon who gets the highest. So I'm gonna test everybody,

514
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Speaker 1: Marcellus and everybody else. This is a center way of explaining.

515
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna test Marcellus and everybody else on push the

516
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Speaker 1: line material. Whoever gets the highest the highest may be

517
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Speaker 1: eighty five. If the highest is eighty five and everybody

518
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Speaker 1: else is lower, the curve basically means that the eighty

519
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Speaker 1: five is now an A.

520
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Speaker 2: Makes sense?

521
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Speaker 1: Oh, it changes now in eighty five and this world

522
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Speaker 1: is an A because the highest that we could possibly

523
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Speaker 1: get was in eighty five, And so now it's going

524
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Speaker 1: to adjust every other percentage according to that.

525
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Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

526
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

527
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Speaker 1: So, and because now you're the standard, it's not one

528
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Speaker 1: hundred percent is an A.

529
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Speaker 2: That means this teacher, out of all of us, the

530
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Speaker 2: highest person that understood anything that you.

531
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Speaker 1: Was talking about or whatever, grasp it or how you

532
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Speaker 1: set the test up or whatever it is. We're not

533
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Speaker 1: because it's kind of I don't like the curve, but

534
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Speaker 1: it kind of can be I guess to a benefit.

535
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Speaker 1: Because let's if we just on a regular grade sale

536
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Speaker 1: eighty five or be a bee, right, but.

537
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Speaker 2: If you got it more than everybody else, you are

538
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Speaker 2: considered in A. Does that make sense?

539
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 3: Right?

540
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Speaker 1: So now we're adjusting it to Now Marcellus is the

541
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Speaker 1: benchmarn and everything is gonna adjust to that. So it's

542
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Speaker 1: only gonna be a certain amount of a's. It's only

543
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Speaker 1: gonna be a certain amount of bees. It's only going

544
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Speaker 1: to be a certain amount of c's because now we're

545
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Speaker 1: adjusting it to what the standard is. So law school's

546
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Speaker 1: very competitive one because people want to get out and

547
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Speaker 1: be like I graduated in the top ten percent. I

548
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Speaker 1: graduated top twenty percent, top fifteen percent. You know, people

549
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Speaker 1: believe that helps them with jobs and all that kind

550
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Speaker 1: of stuff.

551
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Speaker 2: Me not so much. My goal is different.

552
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Speaker 1: Younger students that come out and they want to go

553
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Speaker 1: work what they call big law, you know, corporate law,

554
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Speaker 1: and it used to play. It doesn't matter even though

555
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Speaker 1: one person, it don't matter if you get top timpers

556
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Speaker 1: or not. Don't let that borrow you, Bob. Yeah, gotta matter.

557
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Speaker 1: It matters to song. You know that A little matters

558
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Speaker 1: the song. The absolutely does make a difference. It just

559
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Speaker 1: depends on what you want to do. But a lot

560
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: of people don't look at it. But they look at like, hey,

561
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Speaker 1: end of the day, as long as I got my

562
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Speaker 1: bar card, long as I'm gonna esquire me and you

563
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: the saying no matter who graduated was but the person

564
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Speaker 1: who graduated the top will sound bige.

565
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Speaker 2: The difference because I'm.

566
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Speaker 1: Over here at such and such walk card you over

567
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Speaker 1: here at such and such lorg.

568
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Speaker 2: You've got everything to do and being at the top.

569
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Speaker 1: For now me because of where I am in my life,

570
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Speaker 1: I am not focused on I got to be in

571
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Speaker 1: the top twenty percent, on top ten percent, I'm just

572
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Speaker 1: not at all.

573
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Speaker 4: I know.

574
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Speaker 2: For me, it is the degree, get in the JD

575
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Speaker 2: and passing the bar.

576
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Speaker 1: And even if I don't stand for the bar, the

577
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: JD is was most important to me because actually, and

578
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: I go through this all the time, I actually can

579
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: get more business because of what I do by not

580
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: being a license attorney. Because once you are a license attorney,

581
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Speaker 1: a lot of things that I do and say I

582
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: cannot do. I have to be mindful of that. So

583
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: my benefit to attorney Crop and other attorneys is I

584
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: can say what they can't without somebody writing to the

585
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: bar to say you said this, to say that, because

586
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: as an attorney, you're an attorney in all the times.

587
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: You don't get to pick and shoes when you're not

588
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: want to be an attorney. So there's a professional standard

589
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: that you're held to. And I'm not talking about me

590
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: clapping back and doing all that. You know, I can

591
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: still do all of that, So nowherries, I'm always gonna

592
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: be able to spring. I'm just talking about like things

593
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: I may say about a case or you know, you

594
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: can't talk about a judge, or you can't be like

595
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: this is that, you know, just search.

596
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: You just gotta be careful if you're working with a family.

597
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: Certain things I can say the turn crop case, say,

598
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: I also can go solicit business.

599
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: He cannot. He asked. The people have to come to him,

600
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: you know, those sides of things.

601
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: So it's a lot that I can do as a

602
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: non attorney in the space that I do. Then it's

603
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: beneficial to attorneys. So I wanted the JD to him.

604
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: The JD is the actual degree to have the knowledge,

605
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, so that I just have the knowledge, and

606
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: I love to teach, and you can teach without passing

607
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: the bar. But you still want that, Esquire, because you

608
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: want to be able to say, y'all ain't no better

609
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: than me. Then go back to the ten percent. So

610
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: you know, let's not get it twisted. I am a

611
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: turn figure roll, you know what I mean. But back

612
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: and forth with that. But for me, just because I've

613
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: just been really blessed to already be, you know, in

614
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: the legal world, somewhat. My goal is not I'm already

615
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: being crumeb law firm, So it's either I'm gonna be

616
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: with him or somebody else that I know then I

617
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: just know, or even my own.

618
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 2: I'm one of those.

619
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: Students that could could come out and start them off.

620
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: They tell you don't do that, but a lot of

621
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: people do. But I'm actually a student that actually could

622
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: come out and practice my own law firm right at

623
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: the gate, because a lot of having a law firm

624
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: is relationships.

625
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: Majority of it is do people trust.

626
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: You, you know, with their case, so I can come

627
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: out and do small little cases or everybody doing nothing,

628
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: but dwis I already have a brand, already have a name,

629
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: already have access, you know, already have those things where

630
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: people will feel comfortable enough at least even if they've

631
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: just given me legal zone work, you know what I'm saying.

632
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: So I'm not talking about trying to be Johnny Carfer

633
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: and I'm just saying, you know, the basics at BETS,

634
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: I could make a decent living, you know, coming right

635
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: out on my own because I've already built that that brand.

636
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: And then one of the things that I do love

637
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: about Florida I'm very excited about this. It's called a

638
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: Certified Legal Intern and in Florida, and I sign up

639
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: for now because they takes about six eight months just

640
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: to process paperwork and get approved all that by the

641
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: summer under this program in the Public Defender's Office, which

642
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: is what I want to do, a criminal defense.

643
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: So it works that I can't do with all fields,

644
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: but you can go work.

645
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: In the public defenders offer and actually try cases.

646
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: As an intern.

647
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: You can actually represent clients as long as it's under

648
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,239
Speaker 1: the direction of an attire and they're guiding you through it.

649
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: You can I can take I can go to trial

650
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: next year. Florida has that, and that's really cool. I'm

651
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: very excited about that. I'm very excited about that. You're

652
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: not just an intern just why like you actually can

653
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: speak on behalf of the client, represent a client whole nine.

654
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: So the program so by the time I get out

655
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: would actually have an experience to go to trial.

656
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Speaker 2: My experience in addition to name recognition, which.

657
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Speaker 1: Is a whole lot of getting people to business with you,

658
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Speaker 1: and then actually having the real trial experience that I

659
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Speaker 1: will have access two for three four years me getting out,

660
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Speaker 1: I truly can.

661
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Speaker 2: Have my own law firm.

662
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Speaker 1: Again small o' nobody talking about you know, magic, but

663
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Speaker 1: I'm already in proximity. If you go look at people,

664
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Speaker 1: go look and just so I post the other day

665
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Speaker 1: on my attorney friends. You know, they're doing big things

666
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Speaker 1: and the businesses and these are people who are waiting

667
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Speaker 1: on me already, you know, to finish, I would just

668
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Speaker 1: the names on their law even just in the comment.

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Speaker 1: You just see a lot of my alturnive friends of

670
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Speaker 1: the comments that are in the top two hundred according

671
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Speaker 1: to Forbes magazine, you know, being his top one hundred

672
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Speaker 1: according to Time magazine. So I'm not around slouches. So

673
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Speaker 1: you don't know what to saying that it been like

674
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Speaker 1: somebody or you know, it been so so my I'm

675
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Speaker 1: not my reason for it. I need to be in

676
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Speaker 1: the top ten twenty percent. You know, it's not necessarily

677
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Speaker 1: it's still a goal. You know, you want to do

678
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Speaker 1: your best, but that's hugely reserved of people that are

679
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Speaker 1: trying to get a job so as they get out.

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Speaker 5: And in short note, everybody would I also learned this,

681
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Speaker 5: I don't I can't remember. I don't think it's I

682
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Speaker 5: don't know if it's like nationwide but I did see

683
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Speaker 5: that you cannot You cannot represent Like let's say I

684
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Speaker 5: wanted to represent you if you you know, you had

685
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Speaker 5: a case and I don't have a law license, and

686
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 5: I know you can't do that, Georgia, you can't do that.

687
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: You have to have a law license in order to.

688
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, then you can represent yourself.

689
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: People got the right like if you you know, you

690
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Speaker 1: want to be your own the turn and it's fine, but.

691
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to be an a turn, you know,

692
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Speaker 2: a license of turns. I know they keep until.

693
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Speaker 1: Y'all a I can do everything, but an actual human beings.

694
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Speaker 2: That's just see.

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00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 1: AI is definitely taking a pair of legals work, you know, uh,

696
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: legal assistant all of that. It's going to take a

697
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Speaker 1: lot of that. But even still I would argue having

698
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Speaker 1: a real person is doing your legal assistant work still

699
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: matters because hey, I get it wrong. So they did

700
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Speaker 1: a lot of that last week of teaching us, of

701
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Speaker 1: showing us like what because it's like you know, y'all

702
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: need to say so we're not even played in egg white.

703
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: We don't how to use it and how.

704
00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: Not get in trouble.

705
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: Like a lot of that's been you know, using it

706
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: in their cases and getting caught.

707
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you go Google, I'm.

708
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: Covered a few thoals on records, club band re ball

709
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Speaker 1: may because AI will hallucinate.

710
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Speaker 2: You don't make up shit, so they use an AI

711
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: like buying me a case that.

712
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: Shows battery between somebody X, y Z and it'll pull

713
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: up you know, this and this and that and a

714
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: I don't always get it right. So these attorneys you

715
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: just go Google put attorneys in AI. I see several

716
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: attorneys have been called, you know, like submitting that information

717
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: thinking that is true, not necessarily trying to. I don't

718
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: think it's always going to be a case of then

719
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: trying to be vindiced. They're just trying to work faster

720
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Speaker 1: and trying to get it fast and cutting corners. So uh,

721
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: in law school you get access to all these databases

722
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Speaker 1: that you have to pay for. It costs thousands of

723
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars, like Lexus and Nexus, Bloomberg West Law. You know,

724
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Speaker 1: there's actual database with case law. So law school we

725
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Speaker 1: get access to that. But in your real life firm,

726
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Speaker 1: you're not paying all those subscriptions. You know, buy the

727
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Speaker 1: six seven thousand dollars a month. They're very expensive, so

728
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: a lot of times. People may just be paying for

729
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 1: access to one, or they may use AI, or they

730
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: may whatever, you know, and it's pulled out information and

731
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: you're not gonna remember all these cases.

732
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Speaker 2: Nobody does. You don't know every case.

733
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Speaker 1: So they're using that information and it's wrong. So they

734
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time last week. And this is

735
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: how to use it properly. You know, you need to

736
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: know what prosts to ask and you need to know

737
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Speaker 1: what to upload. You need to know, you know, use

738
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Speaker 1: it as a way to kind of get started, you know,

739
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: to get whatever. But don't let it be your final answer.

740
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: You still need to read this case. But AI is

741
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: very good though with like summarizing, but I did it

742
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: last It was summarizing something totally different. And then you

743
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Speaker 1: go to classes like what they talking about a boat

744
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: when line is talking about something totally AI pulled out

745
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: something that wasn't relative, it wasn't like, it was not indicate,

746
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Speaker 1: you know, pulled out something totally relevant. Everybody else talking

747
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: about something MILS and all like them. So I learned

748
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: that last week. And when I say A, I'm not

749
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: talking about just chat GPT. When they say AI, they

750
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: mean Google anything that is artificially intelligent.

751
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: So don't think AI is just chat GPT.

752
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: It's anything, and it's connected to everything, so it's almost

753
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: any search. Google got it now where they got AI

754
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: assystem on the Google so what you would normally Google.

755
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: Google's trying to get smarter and that's why they're using AI.

756
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: But pure Google is not training for you. So like AI,

757
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: the actual chat GPT, and especially when you pay for

758
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: the twenty dollars one or twenty dollars whatever it was,

759
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Speaker 1: and case it will start.

760
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: You can start training it on the things you look

761
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 2: for in things. Did you know that?

762
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 3: No, the I never ever used chat GPT before.

763
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: Oh I love it. I love it.

764
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: I mean it's synthesized and stuff. But I'm not even

765
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Speaker 1: talking aou philosoph or. I was looking for dentnists and

766
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: I was like, what Dennis specially? I want to know

767
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Speaker 1: what Dennis close to me based upon reviews because you

768
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Speaker 1: get to be.

769
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Speaker 2: A very specific. You can ask some very specific question

770
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Speaker 2: what Dennis.

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00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: Close to me specializes in teeth whitening based the barn reviews,

772
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Speaker 1: and then it will pull up these are the This

773
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Speaker 1: dentist has forger five reviews. This one got sixty views.

774
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Speaker 1: This one got this based on the information. These are

775
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Speaker 1: the top three and then of the stage, and you

776
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Speaker 1: also can consider these are that you know. So especially

777
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: when you are constantly pulling information like I am. It's great,

778
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: but it also can be a lot of error when

779
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: you start having it chrying when you black revote news.

780
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: The guys that do our page, that do the Revoltman's

781
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Speaker 1: page and also do the regular revote, they use ch

782
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Speaker 1: GPT to rewrite things, and I've had to work with

783
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: them on that. Don't do that for what we do

784
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: on the legal side. Now you can do that to

785
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: rewrite something about ray J, you know, entertainer on the

786
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: other side, but you gotta get care with that too,

787
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: because chat GPT gon say what they want to say,

788
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: and you might them defamation the character, you know, all those.

789
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: Types of things.

790
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: But on our end, do not as chat GPT to

791
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: rewrite nothing because they can absolutely. It's not like it's

792
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: the same, but it not be the same because every

793
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: single word matters when you're talking about policy and law,

794
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: and if you don't understand what those words are, you

795
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: can't recognize it.

796
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: You're not gonna be able to recognize it.

797
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: You can think, propose means the same thing as something else,

798
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: and it look like it, but it may not be

799
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: what that means, if that makes sense. Yeah, so your

800
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: line's not already if you don't. And that's when the

801
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: turn is saying. They're saying, y'all can't do chat GT

802
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: like we do. She said, because I can know when

803
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: something's off because you're familiar with it.

804
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 2: If you're still is not gonna be familiar with it.

805
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: So you're reading and thinking, oh, yeah, this is on

806
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: point and you don't know it.

807
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: You don't know enough to be of a plan. What's wrong?

808
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 2: What's right? So anytime you master any level of something,

809
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: when I say master meaning expert level as something, I

810
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: can look at something to say this ain't so with campaigns.

811
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 2: I can look at something or see something or article

812
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: see and I can point out they call their issues fining.

813
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: I can point out, yeah, this is that. Yep. You know.

814
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: That's why you can see me call a lout say

815
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: oh it's gonna come back, you know, because I've don't

816
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Speaker 1: it enough.

817
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

818
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: So, although people want to think that chad GBT can

819
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: do it all, you still need institutional knowledge to be

820
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: recognized when chad GBT get wrong because Chad GBT don't

821
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: know everything because it is being trained on millions of

822
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: people putting information in. So it was like garbage in,

823
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: garbage out. You know what I'm saying. GPT don't know,

824
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: then it don't know. It's giving you wrong. It sounds

825
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: smart and looks smart and you know, oh that looks good.

826
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: But you don't know. Yeah, So that's where people get

827
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 2: in a lot of trouble with that.

828
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: I want to ask. So I know it may maybe

829
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: a bad thing, but our attorneys actually allowed to criticize

830
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 3: judges or they can't.

831
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: Not publicly to yourself matter of fact. And this is

832
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Speaker 1: a sad story, but it just says what it is. Wineline,

833
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: who is just so unfortunate. I think he's actually committed

834
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: now in the minimal institute of believe or something.

835
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Speaker 2: I hate to say this, but it just is what

836
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: it is.

837
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Speaker 1: He was one of the first people I met when

838
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Speaker 1: I came to Orland, though years ago, when I came

839
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: sharp attorney, he was a Chamber of Congress executive director.

840
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: You know he league ran against Virgina, that's beat we

841
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: ran against Virgina and uh he got fired in I

842
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: think he went to jail for going after a judge

843
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: like and going on social media and back.

844
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: And forth and all that.

845
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: So, no, you can, it's how you do it, not.

846
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: Necessarily what you do.

847
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: You know, you can say, you know, I disagree with

848
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: the judge on X y Z, but like crashing out. No,

849
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: there's a certain level of professional decorn that you need

850
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: to have as an attorney.

851
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: It turned a criminal way he went to jail.

852
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he was threatening the hurder and all types

853
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 2: of stuff.

854
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, me.

855
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: What's going deep with it?

856
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, But my point is you just can't say

857
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: whatever you want say.

858
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: You can't just crash out.

859
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: You lose some of your First Amendment rights because you

860
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: are held to a standard, whether you like it or not.

861
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: You are held to a professional stand like a doctor's hell,

862
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: to the apracritic goal, like, you're held to a certain standards.

863
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: And that's what I was telling my team at Revolt

864
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: because one day was God. He was like, well, you know,

865
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: we don't have to do that. We don't owe them that.

866
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah I do, though I do. On best practices

867
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Speaker 1: of journalism, on best practice of being an editor.

868
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 2: I do. I have to give the context.

869
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: So context is leads with me, not we got too

870
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Speaker 1: many characters. It's not gonna be able to get shared

871
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 1: on Facebook. If we can get it down under the characters, great,

872
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: But if it is a story that requires more contexts

873
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Speaker 1: and y'all don't want to do it because it interferes

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Speaker 1: with lights and shares, then let's just another story because

875
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Speaker 1: I can't make this story.

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Speaker 2: You know, some of these stories have to you know,

877
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Speaker 2: we're talking about.

878
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: Supreme Court decisions and all of that that those aren't

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Speaker 1: going to be digital friendly based upon us trying to agree.

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Speaker 1: You know what, will somebody answer you the They got

881
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: a job to do, which is they can go viral

882
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: or make people watch it and all that. But I

883
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Speaker 1: got a job to do make sure we're not putting

884
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Speaker 1: out misinformation and that there's some ethical guidelines and that

885
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Speaker 1: the context is there. And sometimes I may have a

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Speaker 1: context in the caption. Sometimes I may have it on

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Speaker 1: the slide. Sometimes I want it both. I've had to

888
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: go around around with them about that, like, well we

889
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Speaker 1: repeated it twice.

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Speaker 2: I want to repeat it twice. I wanted to read

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Speaker 2: I want it end the caption.

892
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Speaker 1: Well, you said last time, as long as it is

893
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Speaker 1: in the it was on that case, it was not

894
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Speaker 1: on this one, you know what I mean, Like we

895
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: go a lot and I love my team, but I'm

896
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Speaker 1: always trying to show the just just do it, just

897
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Speaker 1: do it.

898
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: I'm doing it for a reason.

899
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Speaker 1: I'm pointing out this particular thing twice for a reason

900
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Speaker 1: because this might be something that saves our ass This

901
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,959
Speaker 1: might be something that that.

902
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Speaker 2: Is correcting misinformation.

903
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: This may be something that I need to make sure

904
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Speaker 1: I catch because some people just reading the caption, they

905
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Speaker 1: don't swipe.

906
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: Some people swape.

907
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: I'm trying to double making sure that this one part

908
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: they got it. So just do what I'm asking and

909
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: stop looking at it as a entertainment post, you know,

910
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: or whatever posts. So those kind of things that I

911
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: do as editing, getting into a different conversation. But those

912
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Speaker 1: are the challenges too, And those are challenges that you

913
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Speaker 1: have with the law, you know, like how much information

914
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Speaker 1: is relevant, what's not relevant? You know, what's the issue,

915
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: what's the rule, what's the conclusion? Why did this judge

916
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 1: say this, and this judge said that. Every judge don't

917
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: think the same. It's subjective. This judge say no, Marcella.

918
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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't agree with this.

919
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Speaker 1: And this is why and then another judge say, I

920
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Speaker 1: don't agree with what they said, and this is why.

921
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Speaker 1: And then an attorney comes in and say, well, in

922
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: Kansas they said this, well we lord, yeah, but let's

923
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 1: live at what Kansas said.

924
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: And then another judge say, I don't know.

925
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: I kind of agree what Kansas say is so change

926
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: our common law here?

927
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Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying.

928
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: So, yeah, I'm all is very uh yes, it's not

929
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Speaker 1: lost of medical school got to be the sharpest to

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Speaker 1: go there.

931
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Speaker 2: But it's very clear. The bone is the bone, you know.

932
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Speaker 2: That's it.

933
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Speaker 1: That's it, that's the ball, it's the burde braate or

934
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Speaker 1: whatever it is. Yes, you gotta know how do you

935
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: fix it? And how can be this and that? And

936
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, nobody's saying they don't have conflict south, you know,

937
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: damn okay, this word, Okay.

938
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Speaker 2: I didn't try this, Let me try this, let me

939
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: try that. Really, you know, how do you come up

940
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Speaker 2: with curable things?

941
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

942
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Speaker 1: Nobody, but that's on the scientist side of things, you know,

943
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: but even a good doctor's gonna take you through. Okay,

944
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Speaker 1: this didn't work, and let's try this, let's try that.

945
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying you don't don't require this type

946
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Speaker 1: of thinking. What I'm saying is law school is broader

947
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: in the sense that it's always gonna be fifty do.

948
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: Everything we do has both sides of the coin. You know,

949
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: everything is brain surgery, or it feels like it is,

950
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Speaker 1: if that makes sense.

951
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: Where one thing may.

952
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Speaker 1: Be just the common cold sniffles this that an attorney, Okay,

953
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: it's the common cold. But how did you get the cold?

954
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: Where were you at, where you got the cold? All

955
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: those things matter? Who were you next to? Are they

956
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: liable for giving you the cold? Is that called transferable liability?

957
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: Who do we have pay this medical bill?

958
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 4: Is it you?

959
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: Is it the healthcare and assurance? Is it the person

960
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: you got the cold from? And then how did they

961
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: get the cold? Did they do it intentional? You know

962
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: that's called intent, the intentional intent. Did they know what

963
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: substantial certainty? I'm giving you things that we are literally

964
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: learning about in real time, general intent, specific intent. What

965
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: substantial certainty did you know then when you had COVID?

966
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: You know damn well you had COVID. You came to

967
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Speaker 1: stand by me. Now, you didn't intend for me to

968
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: get cold COVID, but you knew you had it with

969
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: substantial enough certainty to know that it's a possibility that

970
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: me standing next to you, you said you could possibly

971
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Speaker 1: get COVID.

972
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Speaker 2: So I know enough to know that.

973
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Speaker 1: So can I make you liable or can be the

974
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Speaker 1: person that says I know I got COVID. I intentionally

975
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Speaker 1: want to make sure that you get COVID. I'm going

976
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: to drink out of drink and I'm gonna leave a

977
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: drink next to you, knowing you gonna pick it up

978
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Speaker 1: because I want you to get COVID. Two different intentions.

979
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Speaker 1: You know, people actually do that, like with HIV. That's

980
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: a difference between you somebody going to jail, you.

981
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: Know something like you know what I mean?

982
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: What did you know what enough substantial certainty that this

983
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:38,479
Speaker 1: could cause harm?

984
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: Or did you do it flat out intitially? Do it

985
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: all of those things? Matt.

986
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: And that's an example of how a cold can be

987
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: looked at totally different than a medical doctor. That's you know,

988
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: fixing the problem of the cold. We're trying to figure

989
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: out all of the things that caused it. Why, what

990
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: is that you know?

991
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: And the solution? And now we need to know that

992
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 2: the rule?

993
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 4: What is the rule?

994
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: Moving forward? Okay, COVID, everybody gotta wear masks. You know,

995
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: we got to set a rule. How do we get

996
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: everybody to China? They wear masks all the time they've

997
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: been on COVID time, you know, they you know, they

998
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: always wear masks because they just believe in that's how

999
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: they get out.

1000
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: So I said, we ain't gonna wait on x y

1001
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: Z no, no pandemic. We believe in keeping jarb you know.

1002
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: Next, like food, I wish fool people would always wear

1003
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: a mask for real, especially when they talk all my food,

1004
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: like shit, the chip pole and all that. I think

1005
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: they should always have on masks. I really really wish

1006
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: that would be missed. So those types of things, what

1007
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: is the rule? How do we create the law? That's

1008
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: why you see attorneys often going to politics and they're like, Okay,

1009
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm tired of arguing this rule. I'm wanna go make

1010
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: the rule and that that is what will serve me well.

1011
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: Because my mind is set up on the how, and

1012
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: so a lot of people. Let say you were intern

1013
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: and you work at a law firm and you know

1014
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: how to file motions and do all of that, but

1015
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: then you come to law school.

1016
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: You never had the learned the why it became what

1017
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: it became.

1018
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: That's the part that served me well, because the why

1019
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: is what I do? Why is this this way? Why

1020
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: did this become the law? How do we make it different?

1021
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: How do we change it? And then the attorney takes

1022
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: it and says, this is the law. We need to

1023
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 1: make sure you follow the rule of law, and that's why.

1024
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: Then we'll wrap it up. That's why a lot of

1025
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: attorneys get in trouble.

1026
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 2: When they want to be when they have to.

1027
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: Marry that line between politician and an actual judge, our attorney.

1028
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: Perfect state is a perfect example. The state attorney Ameress

1029
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: y'aller in Orlando. She's a state attorney. She lost her

1030
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: seat because a politician in her did not believe in

1031
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: the death penalty. So she was, you know, doing it

1032
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: how she wanted to do it. And the governor said,

1033
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: if you're going to do it the way the lass

1034
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 1: say do it, this is not about if you want

1035
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: to change it, go change.

1036
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: But you are duly elected as a.

1037
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: State attorney to uphold the rule of law whether you like,

1038
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: whether you think it's fair or not. You need to

1039
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: go be a state legislator. Then go be a state

1040
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: representative to change it. But if you are going to

1041
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: be elected as a state attorney, yes you can do

1042
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: things the way you want to do it. But they

1043
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: saw her going too far and not following the rule

1044
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 1: of law when it came to the death penalty.

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00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 5: So would it have been different is she would have

1046
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 5: just not gave the death penalty, but not voice to opinion.

1047
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't about.

1048
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: Boys and opinion, and you can go google because I

1049
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: don't want to get it wrong. Wasn't about boys and opinion.

1050
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: She was not following procedure, you know what I mean?

1051
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: Like it's wasn't about saying I don't think the death

1052
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: penalty is good or bad. When you run a state attorney,

1053
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: you say what you can say, what you believe in

1054
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: and all that bottom line is not about what you

1055
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,479
Speaker 1: believe in. The law is the law. I can say

1056
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: I don't believe in. Like the day where I said,

1057
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: Marcella said, you're telling me.

1058
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 2: You wouldn't leave if you made a million dollars.

1059
00:48:58,520 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 3: I don't agree to that.

1060
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: I said, you ain't got to unlikely, But that's what

1061
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 2: it is. You don't mean. The law is the law,

1062
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: the rule of law. And I know It's confusing because

1063
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 2: right now, Trump a following no rule of law.

1064
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: But you know, the rule of law is the actual

1065
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 1: rule of law. But see he went and got the

1066
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: court on his side. He got them to break the

1067
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 1: rule of law. So he is the rule of law.

1068
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: And that's that's why they say dictatorship a ruler. You

1069
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: know he got them on board. He really said, you

1070
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: ain't gotta worry about I'll not go try to convince

1071
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: you is right or wrong.

1072
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go.

1073
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: That's why we were telling Biden, stacked courts, get another

1074
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: liberals on the court, expand the Supreme Court.

1075
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Speaker 2: They don't want to do that. No, let's follow the rules.

1076
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: Okay, well, Trump said, way, following no rules. I'm stacking

1077
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: the court. So even if you're district judges agree with

1078
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: what y'all saying, that top Supreme on my side whom

1079
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: they gonna put. I say, that's that's the kind of

1080
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: mindset he got.

1081
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: Said up.

1082
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,360
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1083
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,920
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1084
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,279
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